Based Camp - The Aesthetics of the New Right With Raw Egg Nationalist (Birth of a New Subversive Art Movement)

00:00:00.000 hello everyone i'm excited to be here we have a raw egg nationalist with us again i am so excited

00:00:05.900 and what we wanted to talk about is i was looking at his his magazine i'd never seen a print copy

00:00:11.920 before man's world and hold it hold it up so they can see the anime girls and everything because

00:00:16.860 your it is perfection yeah and i'll try to put like one on the screen here if i remember and

00:00:22.200 you can you can turn it over to show sort of the back of it but when i was looking at this you know

00:00:26.680 like shinzo abe big titty anime girl trump like a missile also just the formatting in general though

00:00:32.680 like i remembered from my my childhood years just really loving for example wired magazine because

00:00:38.840 just had this incredible formatting and layout and i've missed that and we're seeing it again here

00:00:44.480 and it's just so fun go to the one of us where it's like racist or whatever right you can see how they

00:00:48.880 did our article in it but the reason i find this interesting and i wanted to focus on it is the

00:00:53.380 the new right has developed a very unique aesthetic philosophy um and i think that this cover sort of

00:01:01.620 perfectly represents it so people understand it's not just malcolm saying like the the the alt-right

00:01:08.160 cat girl phenomenon or whatever yeah no proof this is not just in malcolm's head this is awesome and

00:01:13.700 it's here and and i'll also put a sargon of a cod a tweet here

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00:02:13.380 which i found amazing where they had like anime style trump and over the top and i thought it was

00:02:32.620 the best but yeah i'd love to just hear your thoughts how you constructed this and how you

00:02:37.360 think about this sort of aesthetic move because it's really a new artistic movement that is

00:02:43.000 starting and i don't think many people are cataloging or talking about yeah so i mean so

00:02:48.700 i started man's world really by accident you know i was thinking of what i mean i write about

00:02:54.120 masculinity a lot you know that's one of that's my bread and butter that's what i've been writing

00:02:57.820 about on twitter and and writing articles about you know for five five years now actually but in

00:03:04.640 the sort of summer of 2020 i was thinking about men's magazines and i was thinking you know why

00:03:09.460 are why are they no men's magazines anymore you know so play playboy is totally paused now

00:03:15.340 playboy is so you know i mean they had a transgender centerfold i think gosh okay yeah what was that

00:03:22.960 men's magazine that i used to love maxim maxim do you remember this okay so fashion though i felt

00:03:28.740 like it was no no no so i got to talk about this because this is the a historic phenomenon that

00:03:34.780 disappeared but was like i think a staple of our childhoods when you would go to the magazine rack

00:03:39.620 before you get on a plane or something like that there was always oh like a category i think maxim

00:03:45.360 was sort of the main one where we'd have like irreverent funny articles that were targeted at men

00:03:51.640 and sort of the point of it was to be edgy and man focused they even had a tv channel called spike tv

00:04:00.300 that was edited this demographic in this format we should know the guy who was one of the show

00:04:05.220 runners for that who now runs dad saves america but anyway they they had shows like so funny that

00:04:10.800 the person who ran the man show was jimmy kimmel but i remember like an example of like a joke they

00:04:16.740 had on this show can you believe that jimmy kimmel ran this joke is he would have a young kid go

00:04:21.700 around and try to buy alcohol at convenience stores and when they'd ask him for his id he'd ask them for

00:04:27.200 their green cards i just need to help old ladies cross the street old ladies yeah i'm not old

00:04:32.160 sure you are anyway continue i document this one yeah so i was so i was thinking about men's

00:04:39.580 magazines and you know why playboy has disappeared you know i mean part of it's something that i

00:04:45.180 remember from my teenage years you know growing up things like maxim fhm but also playboy you know

00:04:51.840 and there's this old chestnut i read playboy for the articles yes but it's but it's but it's true

00:04:57.980 i mean i i say this a lot but it's you know it's true like playboy used to have great writers

00:05:02.500 carl philip roth norman maler all of these great you know great writers of the middle and late 20th

00:05:09.580 century you know regularly write for playboy hunter thompson too right yeah yeah hunter s thompson yeah

00:05:15.180 exactly so you'd have you'd have you know it was it was like a trend it was a trend setting

00:05:19.860 taste setting thing playboy you know it was it was for like aspiring men you know men men who are

00:05:27.320 who have aspirations men who want to you know sort of better themselves and but also cutting-edge

00:05:32.660 culture yeah it was on the forefront of change these were agentic people exactly exactly and it i

00:05:38.540 mean it wasn't just about the beautiful women the naked women i mean that was a big part of it that

00:05:42.880 was part of the lifestyle and obviously that was part of hugh hetner's lifestyle but you know playboy

00:05:48.020 was a cultural phenomenon and so i thought well wouldn't it be nice if we actually on the right

00:05:53.700 if we had a new kind of playboy for the for the new massively online internet era something that sort

00:06:01.020 of combined the best writing on you know on the dissident right whatever you want to call it with

00:06:06.560 kind of lifestyle stuff and and also this kind of basically like the twitter 4chan kind of aesthetic

00:06:12.520 where you where you're you know so you'd be mixing like classic playboy the classic playboy layout

00:06:17.660 you know i mean the magazine looks like a classic playboy in many respects but it's but it's just

00:06:23.740 it's it's kind of bizarre and and sort of a bit post-modern and and it has all of this yeah you

00:06:29.600 are really combining like all the new aesthetics which i really like got this like but i mean i think

00:06:35.900 that what you're showing there can you put that closer to the camera so we can really see that

00:06:39.620 is is a a artistic style that is unique to this sort of new right movement where you're combining

00:06:47.320 nostalgia with irreverence and and cultural subversion yeah but still like with yeah like

00:06:55.980 irreverence you know like this is you know there there are puns it's playful around the world in

00:06:59.900 80 lays is what it says yeah yeah yeah so that was that was the winner of so we had a pulp fiction

00:07:05.140 contest in the magazine and that was the winner of the pulp fiction contest i wanted people to write

00:07:10.940 classic pulp fiction short stories racy exciting you know for men and i mean the winner the winner is

00:07:19.440 great all in fact most of the entries that we had for the competition we had hundreds of entries they

00:07:23.600 were really good it was really very very high standard but i mean the thing about the thing about

00:07:28.860 the aesthetics thing i suppose is that you know really it's quite heavily influenced by bronze age

00:07:34.460 pervert by bronze age mindset i mean he helped to put aesthetic considerations i think back on the

00:07:42.060 radar in a for the right in a way that they weren't before you know i mean bronze age mindset as a book is

00:07:48.360 as much about the kind of the kind of madcap energy of the of the book of the style the kind of

00:07:55.860 irreverence the style of reverence and well and vitalism too so the the aesthetics is permeated

00:08:01.980 in every grammatical choice that he makes as well as this like very heavy vitalistic enthusiasm which

00:08:11.160 is somewhat reminiscent of the playboy days i think you know there's that same sort of enthusiasm for

00:08:15.080 the future i think he tones it up so if we want to talk about bronze age pervert there's a few things

00:08:20.380 to break out here one is his name is intentionally you know i talked about combining nostalgia

00:08:25.840 bronze age with subversion pervert it does that perfectly in the way that he constructed it

00:08:33.060 if you look at his writing style he intentionally does not use correct periods and everything he

00:08:39.780 correct does lots of run-ons he doesn't follow the rules that we associate with high status writing

00:08:47.180 and post him and you being doxed we now know you know he went to yale you went to what was oxford or

00:08:53.680 like both both so you have all of the criteria that we would associate with access to high class high

00:09:05.080 culture and yet when both you and him entered the public community you did so pseudonymously to

00:09:12.980 negate the the classic signs of status and then you and and he more than you to start you know

00:09:21.340 wrote in a way that you could almost say was was vulgar to high status because it could not be used

00:09:29.680 to signal high status it intentionally subverted everything that we associate with an educated man

00:09:36.520 while presenting ideas in an educated format yeah i think i think that's a very interesting way of

00:09:43.480 putting it and certainly i mean you know just with the magazine then there are fake adverts

00:09:48.660 throughout the magazine i mean that's been a that's been a big part of the magazine from the

00:09:52.700 start is these kind of fake adverts so one of them for example there's a i've created a kind of

00:09:58.420 a mock coffee brand that's very like it's like black rifle coffee basically because i i find black

00:10:03.840 rifle coffee absurd and these like veteran owned coffee companies you know where they have this

00:10:09.140 like men shooting flamethrowers and stuff and women with big tits and and it's all like it's

00:10:15.680 it's it's a it's almost like a parody of itself so i created this veteran owned coffee company called

00:10:21.540 cup operator coffee company and it's like basically basically it's about it's for like

00:10:27.760 ex-special forces guys who have a who have a cup fetish and

00:10:31.800 hold on this is so perfectly capturing all the things we're talking about here

00:10:39.900 where i i mean i think part of it is like americana and over-the-top americana and so here you're

00:10:44.840 taking the idea of consumerism and over-the-top american consumerism that is inauthentically sold

00:10:53.400 to because i because i think you know the point of this is to is to is to capture the inauthenticity

00:10:59.880 of the way consumerist trends have gone as as sort of art and what's funny about you know hearing you do

00:11:07.640 this is is you would look at something like this and if you were studying this in art history

00:11:13.340 you would associate this with a lot of the classic artistic movements of like the 70s and the 60s and

00:11:20.080 stuff like that it's like oh they're subverting you know like over-the-top inauthentic advertisement

00:11:26.200 whereas today because the left controls so much of the advertising and everything like that

00:11:30.880 you know and we're like they're they're subverting the cringeness that comes from corporations

00:11:36.300 trying to market to people using um and and you remove any authenticity from that by making it

00:11:43.300 entirely fake yeah which is like really satisfying to engage with but continue sorry i'm just sort of

00:11:49.000 like analyzing that's what i wanted to do reveling in the brilliance of it we can do that that's why

00:11:53.820 we're here today yeah so i mean so i mean the the fake adverts are a really really big part of man

00:12:00.040 man's world they have been it's actually it's actually a bit of a burden for me coming up with

00:12:05.020 with these new fake brands like every every every issue i have to come up with something new and i

00:12:10.540 have to top what i did in the previous issue and but there are some long-running ones like

00:12:15.440 operator coffee company and yeah we just we just do i mean it's integral it's not filler that's the

00:12:22.320 other thing as well that's that's important you know it's an integral part of the actual package you

00:12:26.860 know it's well i think anyone who grew up reading magazines half or at least a quarter read them for

00:12:33.280 the ads because the ads have been like they're sometimes the the best part of many magazines

00:12:38.380 they're what many brands invested so much creative energy into creating i like yeah now also ads are

00:12:46.060 just so awful and most of the magazines i've looked at it's like for sass software and stuff like

00:12:51.060 it's not relatable it's not creative it's not fun it's not visually visually interesting so you know

00:12:56.840 you know what would be fun is the the gayest children's clothesline ever like we we've been

00:13:01.920 voted by by like queer magazine and pride the gayest children's line ever and like just try to overdo the

00:13:08.580 top when they had like the the the target scandal and the the bud light scandal i think i think that

00:13:14.060 something funny could be done but i think looking at the ways that corporate culture has gone over the

00:13:18.660 top was in the last cycle and then subverting that is is really fun another thing i find about the

00:13:25.820 artistic style that you've chosen here oh i should probably too sorry i found the page show yeah oh

00:13:30.560 yeah it's great like they're they're they're great they're nicely formatted bag of cuck operated coffee

00:13:37.600 company signature cuck blend cuck operated coffee i love it how it says company with a k

00:13:43.980 very very very cuck operator is a proud cuckold owned company and then but on the other on the

00:13:52.540 other page on the facing page then of course you've got the cuck beard the yeah jack the jack

00:13:57.260 murphy cuck beard beautiful oh my god wait wait so hold on what's this whole cuck jack murphy thing i

00:14:03.480 don't know this is this story oh god this is i mean this is a this is a rabbit hole so jack murphy was

00:14:08.420 this like masculinity guy who had a masculine guy continue this is interesting yeah i mean i i

00:14:15.620 kind of regrettably i i actually went on his podcast early on when i didn't really know who he was but

00:14:21.200 he um fine enough other than the cuckoldry thing but yeah he had this he had this masculine fraternity

00:14:28.780 called the liminal order and he had a meltdown on a on a podcast because somebody brought up the fact

00:14:34.500 that he had written an article some years before about coupledry about sending his girlfriend off

00:14:39.840 to have sex with random guys from tinder and then after this meltdown it came out that he had actually

00:14:46.320 been like a cam a cam guy and he'd wow stuck stuff up his up his bum on camera and stuff and there were

00:14:55.060 videos and they were posted and it all kind of imploded so that's so that's where that's where the beard

00:15:01.980 comes from that i am deeply i mean look i i kind of feel like i wasn't born with like embarrassing

00:15:09.620 fetishes like i i am i am deeply happy that i do not get turned on by that i'm just not he monetized

00:15:17.620 it you know what that's if you if you do it for i monetize you're right differently about it yeah

00:15:23.320 you can make a lot of money doing only fans and stuff like that you know that the couple who got the

00:15:29.980 the squirrel was killed peanut the squirrel yes they were making eighty thousand dollars a month

00:15:35.620 on only fans and they were using they were using the death of the squirrel weren't there's a funnel

00:15:41.080 as well it was like i don't think they i bet they i mean you gotta you gotta it doesn't hurt

00:15:46.500 everything right yeah oh there's something about the the ghost of the squirrel or something like

00:15:53.020 that could be a fun company thing just like that i don't i don't know i'm just trying to have fun

00:15:58.160 with this but i i'd love your thoughts on why the modern right has adopted the aesthetics of things

00:16:06.940 like anime i mean my thesis would be is that anime was one of the last like if you look at japanese

00:16:13.240 culture it was one of the last bastions of mainstream media that was not affected by wokeism

00:16:18.360 um because wokeism took a while to get there there's still fan service in anime i would say

00:16:24.100 it's still largely they still have like openly pro natalist shows so you have that you have the

00:16:30.320 idea that anime was considered low culture so in the same way that like writing poorly could be a sign

00:16:36.740 of i'm not playing into your cultural game using big teddy anime girls can do that but i'm wondering

00:16:41.760 if there's anything else or what your thesis is on this yeah i mean i think you've i think you've

00:16:46.920 nailed a lot of it with the you know by talking about the authenticity of of anime i think that

00:16:53.300 anime is fundamentally like an authentic expression of japanese culture largely untouched by the west

00:17:00.360 or at least the way that the way that anime kind of relates to the west is interesting and it's not

00:17:05.260 kind of colonized by the west so much you know in a way that often a lot of other foreign foreign

00:17:10.620 cultural products are or have been since the second world war yeah i don't i mean i just think

00:17:15.200 intrinsically you know like the subject matter of so much anime is just the kind of stuff that guys

00:17:20.060 like i think there's guns swords you know heroes that kind of stuff lots of harems i want i want at

00:17:28.460 least simone why do you deny me my harem i i i it's welcome the harems are for closers

00:17:37.240 okay okay okay i'll work on it i'll work on it no but i i think that you're right about this

00:17:42.660 one of the things and you know anime i think one of the interesting things about it is i think it

00:17:48.840 fulfills some male fantasies in ways that are almost like subversive where a a common trope within anime

00:17:57.880 is a girl who is you know phenotypically young around a guy and i've noticed that a lot of these

00:18:06.020 are actually showing the girl and the guy in a father-daughter role for a society that has so

00:18:11.860 lost the idea of father-daughter relationships that the only way it can think of a guy being

00:18:18.920 around a young girl is in sort of this perverse context and i've always found that to be deeply

00:18:23.540 sad where it's very obvious to me if you watch one of these shows oh this is trying to give you

00:18:28.400 the feeling you would have if you had a daughter and you were raising her and you were protecting her

00:18:33.240 but it's not his daughter i mean i think i think that that anime in general deals with a lot of

00:18:41.320 and japanese japanese culture and japanese media more broadly i think deal with actually a lot of

00:18:46.460 a lot of subjects that actually would get swept under the carpet or be very difficult to be depicted

00:18:50.880 in western media i mean you know i think the japanese have a very different idea about well it's a

00:18:58.060 jonathan bowden essay actually about the kind of difference between japanese and european culture

00:19:03.240 where he says you know like we have this idea that kind of shameful or difficult thoughts difficult

00:19:10.120 urges have to be repressed and hidden away whereas actually you to make them safe whereas actually the

00:19:16.100 japanese think that the best way to deal with them is to depict them and to bring them out into the

00:19:21.200 so that people can see them and actually recognize that they exist and so i mean you do get yeah i

00:19:28.040 mean you do get a lot of obviously you get some pretty extreme stuff in anime and but i think that

00:19:33.200 that has a has an appeal i mean it has an appeal beyond simply being appealing to like perverts you

00:19:38.380 know actually has an actually has an appeal to people because it because it depicts aspects i think of

00:19:43.480 the human experience that are actually either taboo or perhaps you know just aren't depicted in western

00:19:49.620 media in the same way it's a very it's a very complex art form actually anime you know you can

00:19:55.440 laugh at anime and you can say oh it's you know it sees school girls in you know with short skirts on

00:20:01.360 and and you know all this kind of like silly stuff sailor moon but actually it's really not i mean it's

00:20:07.040 really a very very deep form the vast majority of media i watch is anime no it's sometimes it's deep

00:20:13.500 sometimes it's just girls who are ponies who love to race but right yeah for most yeah and and the

00:20:20.220 ways that it can subvert i mean we have a whole episode i encourage people watch it because it's

00:20:23.900 an episode that i really like that we've done on gurren laggin and other over-the-top pro natalist

00:20:28.560 animes where pro natalism and and environmentalists being treated as villains in gurren laggin which is one of

00:20:35.400 the most famous animes ever made the core bad guy believes that earth can only have so many people on it

00:20:43.060 basically it's it's against the concept of like environmental thresholds and and they're presented

00:20:48.500 as like captain planet villains but i i note here the new rights aesthetic when it takes anime it doesn't

00:20:55.900 use it in the way that the japanese use anime so the japanese use anime as sort of a broad cultural

00:21:01.840 way of expressing things when the new right takes the anime aesthetic what it does is it over tunes it

00:21:08.120 was vitalism to be like over the top as you saw on the video or as you you know if you put up the

00:21:13.860 cover of the the the the piece simone like it's very much like vitalism like like life like you know

00:21:21.160 the missiles coming out of the mouth and everything like so much is happening and so that's so that's

00:21:25.440 an image of so that's supposed to you that's trump that's the fight fight fight image basically

00:21:29.920 yes and what was the thought on the two things on the side here i'm not familiar with these

00:21:35.060 i just i just got i just said to my design guy look i want an i want an animate i want an anime

00:21:41.660 trump fight fight fight you know do do whatever you want to do and he he came back with this and it

00:21:47.680 was it was perfect well it's perfect and with shinzo abe who you know clearly saved his life as we had

00:21:52.980 to explain to as confused italian the other day yeah i had to the italian reporter throughout our house

00:21:58.100 this weekend i had to explain to them how shinzo abe saved trump's life and they're like wait do people

00:22:01.840 like believe this and i go well like emotionally we believe it actually believe it i mean there's

00:22:09.740 you know the difference between emotional belief and real belief is actually pretty vague i want to

00:22:13.900 know what the negative aesthetic prompts are for the new right what what is the aesthetic antithesis

00:22:20.020 to the new right because i mean we've got we've got anime we've got greco-ruman influences we got

00:22:24.600 1940s to 1960s aesthetics i'm digging it we saw there's like a bit of a slightly fascist sci-fi vibe

00:22:30.860 as well which i'm really loving but yeah what is not what is not new right aesthetics so i would i

00:22:37.400 would say that the new right is kind of ideologically and aesthetically rebelling against the kind of on

00:22:44.480 the one hand like the william buckleyite kind of conservatism so like tweed jackets and i mean

00:22:51.820 there's a place there's a place for prep in the new right absolutely like the the ivy league style

00:22:57.040 classic prep all that kind of thing there's always a place for it yes yeah yeah i mean it's classic

00:23:01.740 it's americana i mean yeah when it's done well it's done well but there's a kind of there's a kind

00:23:07.020 of like staid conservatism that's represented by the kind of the kind of william buckley style of

00:23:14.240 conservatism you know standing athwart history yelling stop and all that that kind of stuff

00:23:18.840 like yes to kennedy prep no to country club prep yeah and just and just to the kind of like closet

00:23:25.820 closet homosexual kind of conservative lavender mafia that kind of megachurch polo shirts and khakis

00:23:33.760 yeah sure yes yeah exactly exactly the kind the kind of like aesthetic that you might associate with

00:23:41.200 like a university conservative club you know where it's like it's a bunch of it's a bunch of dorks

00:23:45.720 trying to look like preppy yeah and they never get any girls and there's never there's nothing

00:23:51.460 the pink vineyard vines t-shirt yes or i mean the yellow shirt yeah yeah yeah something like that but

00:23:56.440 then also what you've got as well i think is you've got to revolt against the kind of like i was saying

00:24:02.160 with cuck operator coffee company like that kind of silly kind of it's basically cuck servative like

00:24:09.840 beer and boobies kind of masculinity i think that's what cernovich calls it you know where it's like

00:24:15.420 i like cigars i like whiskey yeah i use i use man wipes on my face you know it's like there's this

00:24:23.660 whole kind of there's this whole kind of really really kind of debased kind of conservative

00:24:29.980 aesthetic that's built around like the second amendment beer man caves and all this kind of

00:24:36.400 stuff that's kind of really really kind of really kind of sad and and and you know kind of like doesn't

00:24:42.420 actually have any genuine genuine energy to it and all of these guys you know are kind of

00:24:46.780 ruled by their wives and you know only allowed to go in the man cave at certain times oh yeah yeah

00:24:52.100 all that kind of stuff so it i mean i would say yeah the the the negative prompts are anything really

00:24:58.700 that isn't kind of sexy and young and and it doesn't kind of have a have a genuine organic energy

00:25:05.940 to it because a lot of you know another thing that occurs to me actually i was thinking about this

00:25:10.940 not just when i was looking at i think it was like new york times or some publications

00:25:15.500 page or sorry illustrations that they made for their authors and they were just hideous illustrations like

00:25:21.260 just really unflattering and then i was also thinking about mary harrington's one of her most

00:25:26.680 canceled opinions that at least she told us at the time who knows what new thing has been

00:25:30.640 like disagreed upon but she's she had this hot take that children's book illustrations that are

00:25:39.140 modern they're they look terrible i don't know if you've seen them recently but they're incredibly

00:25:42.860 ugly we're kind of like this low-key propaganda normalizing lower achievement ugliness mediocrity

00:25:53.080 and i think that that's i mean that's just another thing that's so absent from from the pages of this

00:25:58.760 magazine everything is just gorgeous everything is gorgeous there has been a thing within leftist

00:26:03.140 art for a while to intentionally uglify the art yeah and like why why for example for like op-ed

00:26:10.340 contributors do you need their illustrated portraits well i'll explain to you why i've gone over this

00:26:15.500 before but it's important to understand how this happened so what happened is if you go to the 1980s

00:26:20.720 or the 1990s the core emotion that conservatives use to motivate behavior voting everything like that

00:26:27.160 was disgust this is when you had the christian majority in america and they were like like

00:26:31.240 gayness isn't it gross ew like doesn't it generate disgust in you and then we as a civilization sort of

00:26:36.980 moved past just not doing things because of disgust like that's what mother theresa largely represented

00:26:42.320 oh look the lepers disgust me but i understand that that's just an evolved emotion that's meant to

00:26:47.740 protect me from disease blah blah blah anyway so we moved against disgust and an artistic leftist movement

00:26:53.000 then became about elevating things that were disgusting for their own sake i think is is is

00:27:00.000 is one thing we saw here the other thing that we saw at the same time was trying to break the male idea

00:27:07.040 of what beauty looked like but i think that this is in part why within new right things like you have

00:27:13.420 the the trio like i find this insulting it's not a female ideal of beauty i mean i'm kind of no no it's not

00:27:20.040 but the what i said a female idea of beauty like the big titty enemy girl okay like this is an idea

00:27:25.160 of feminine beauty that the left has completely removed if you look at their characters we've noted

00:27:31.040 that like ironically they have taken female characters and they've like made them sort of

00:27:36.360 masculine looking and remove their breasts and i'm like you've just made them look underage like this

00:27:41.540 is not okay like you look at like she-ra or something like that like the remake and so i i think that

00:27:46.560 it's it's a it's a revolution against these two things see i mean i i think i think it's very deep

00:27:53.300 i think this kind of war on beauty is actually i mean you see it in architecture you see it in mid

00:27:58.700 20th century modernism i mean ugliness brutal brutalism i mean it's called you know it's called

00:28:05.720 brutalism oh yeah not subtle it was it was used as an ideological literally an ideological hammer

00:28:13.360 to crush people with uh you know i mean there's there's a reason why basically all of the all kind

00:28:18.900 of communist public buildings are hideous because i mean they tell you know roger scrutin has written

00:28:24.420 about or wrote about this at a great length and and others have too you know it's a way of among other

00:28:31.220 things crushing individuality and crushing aspiration it's like you know you make people live in an

00:28:37.440 inhuman environment where they where they're not surrounded by beauty and it's demoralizing it really is

00:28:43.120 it really does it really does crush you and i think there's something you know there's something

00:28:48.080 about this like you say children's illustrations there's something about this in movies as well

00:28:52.820 you know where the heroine is never beautiful i mean snow white is snow white is not a beautiful

00:28:58.700 woman anymore snow white is you know snow white is one of these strange creatures well she's no longer

00:29:04.380 the fairest of it all of us all she's the most communist yeah she's in most equal distribution

00:29:10.740 this is not about looks anymore but exactly but that's but i mean i think that in large part it's

00:29:16.760 about eliminating particular forms of aspiration particular visions of of like the good life you

00:29:24.300 know what what what is it what does it actually mean what should you what should you strive for

00:29:28.080 should you strive to be unique should you strive to be should you strive to be beautiful should you

00:29:33.540 strive to improve your appearance or should you should you you know accept that you are just one of

00:29:37.940 seven billion people on the planet you know all of whom are all of whom are deserving of exactly the

00:29:43.680 same base level of like material subsistence and and nothing else so i mean i think it's i think i think

00:29:52.460 it's been happening for a long time and i think it's it's not trivial ugliness is not trivial and

00:29:57.780 surrounding surrounding people with ugliness cocooning them in ugliness is actually i think is a very very

00:30:03.680 powerful propaganda strategy and it works it works yeah i i want to point out here you know one of the

00:30:11.740 artistic pieces that i think has been really critical to the formation of the sort of sci-fi you you could

00:30:17.840 say pseudo-fascist vibe of of new right art that simone was talking about is starship troopers and when

00:30:23.920 van der hoven was putting that movie together i'm talking about the movie not the books like we have an

00:30:27.500 episode on the movie where i'm like this movie is like the left telling on themselves like this is a

00:30:32.000 a democratic society with a black african leading it and they freak out about it because people are

00:30:38.780 expected to pay some price to vote they're expected to do something to get back to the state they're

00:30:44.000 like if anything is required of me it's the worst thing ever but anyway within starship troopers and

00:30:48.960 paul van der hoven was making it and i view it as a almost a perfect piece of art for what it means

00:30:55.640 to be right-leaning today because it was a leftist who was creating this when he created it one of the

00:30:59.760 questions he asked himself was okay how will i cue people that this is an evil government that

00:31:06.540 you're not supposed to want to emulate and what he said to himself is he said i thought everyone

00:31:10.900 would know because i chose only beautiful white actors to play the main parts and he he thought

00:31:18.260 that people when they saw all of these attractive people would know that it was supposed to be evil

00:31:22.920 because only only in an evil government would you have only attractive people

00:31:27.100 yes it's interesting as well because i mean in the book the robert heinlein book then the main

00:31:33.240 character johnny rico is actually i think from the philippines and he's not white he's actually

00:31:38.960 no in the movies he's not white either he's from argentina yeah buenos aires yeah

00:31:43.340 whatever though i mean yeah it is it is telling but yeah i mean it's a yeah i mean this then the

00:31:50.820 starship troopers discourse of course rolls on on twitter you know right oh you're supposed to

00:31:55.560 you're supposed to empathize with the bugs you know and it's and it's an it's an amazing this is

00:32:02.000 kind of ridiculous media literacy kind of meme you know and it it's very telling you know that actually

00:32:07.560 the communists choose the bugs they choose the the soulless bugs that literally tear humans limb from

00:32:15.620 limb and suck their brains out by feeding tubes over you know attractive high achieving because they

00:32:24.380 democratic united human planet with with like the protagonist from south america the leader of the

00:32:32.800 world is from africa sky marshal to hot maru like what what what is an african woman by the way sky

00:32:40.280 marshall to hot maru but i i'd point out here that that when he's saying this you might think oh

00:32:46.340 they're not actually saying oh the bugs no like search on google like starship troopers false flag

00:32:52.620 attack starship troopers like where the bugs actually the good guys like people actually think

00:32:58.260 this and this was part of the authorial intent that backfired so hard and what's i mean what's

00:33:04.560 interesting as well actually about the film is that johnny johnny rico the main character you know

00:33:08.420 casper mandian he's from a very prosperous family but they're not they're not citizens yeah they're

00:33:13.900 not citizens and they don't want him to do military service but actually so you've got a society where

00:33:18.820 you can be prosperous and have a wonderful life yeah without political participation i mean it doesn't

00:33:23.880 it's not yeah i mean it's really it's really not a simple it doesn't imply because normally in the

00:33:30.060 in the fascist worlds if you are not fully bought into the governmental system you are suffering you

00:33:34.780 weren't an underclass and like clearly that's not the case clearly people have freedom yeah it's wild

00:33:39.600 it's the freedom that instigated the war it was the fact that we allowed for religion remember it

00:33:44.840 was started by mormon separatists settling on a planet they weren't supposed to be settling on

00:33:49.100 but the very fact that mormon separatists were able to get to a point where they could do that in

00:33:53.640 opposition to the government and keep in mind we know this was an opposition to the government because

00:33:57.320 we know they were separatists it was not the government that started this war

00:34:00.400 yeah yeah i mean it's a yeah exactly it doesn't it doesn't really repay this kind of ridiculous

00:34:07.340 heavy-handed kind of marxist retelling that the left wants it to it's a it's a very very interesting

00:34:13.380 cultural artifact actually you know i mean i i remember watching starship troopers when it came

00:34:17.820 out in 1999 you know i was 12 and it was the cool it was the cool it was the coolest thing ever

00:34:22.740 you know i i just i loved it because of the because of the fight you know the battles and stuff yeah

00:34:27.400 denise richards obviously and you know but like it's actually i mean as as a as a piece of its

00:34:34.480 time as a as a kind of as a cultural artifact then it's actually much more much more complex than

00:34:40.660 than just being a you know just a sci-fi film where there are big battles and stuff yeah well i mean

00:34:45.920 recently you had the hell divers 2 come out um which you know mimicked a lot of the art and ideals

00:34:51.400 from this and i think a lot of one of the reasons it did so well within the gaming space is it came off

00:34:55.620 as right coded art yeah people want it there's there's i think that backlash that desire to fight

00:35:02.720 against the ugliness and to feed into this vitalism is 100 there it's it's really the time for man's

00:35:10.100 world it's time for this movement to to rise and i mean at least we have the vibe for it now

00:35:16.440 yeah i think so i mean i think i think young people are tired of being stamped on and especially

00:35:22.480 especially young men i mean it's not it's not just young men but i think i think more than anybody

00:35:27.880 else it's young white men in particular oh yeah you know gold you know you can't you can't well

00:35:34.860 you're a bad person and you can't trust any of your innate desires anything that you want you know

00:35:40.120 it's illegitimate you have to change you know you are stamped with basically with original sin and

00:35:46.940 you know it's being it's being rejected across the western world you know it's not just in america

00:35:52.080 where you're seeing zoomers and gen alpha being you know more and more right wing than previous

00:35:57.560 generations it's germany as well you know you've got attractive young people singing auslander rouse

00:36:03.480 to the tune of gg d'agostino's jour or whatever it is you know i mean it's like it's it's a civilizational

00:36:09.340 thing actually there is there is very definitely this kind of youthful irreverent energy that's really

00:36:16.200 surging up and i think the older the older generations don't actually know really what

00:36:21.360 to do with it but you know you saw this even actually with uh the trump tariffs thing you know

00:36:26.500 when everything looked like it was going to ship and you know you have like young people saying well

00:36:31.540 i got nothing from the system i get nothing from the system what what buy-in do i get from the system

00:36:37.660 so if trump wants to burn it all down with these crazy you know tariffs whatever then then let him i mean

00:36:44.040 that's the there is a kind of mad cap there's a kind of mad cap energy energy to this and a kind

00:36:50.060 of you know accelerationist desire oh continue no that was no that was it that was it but when all

00:36:56.520 you have is debt and when when all you have is nothing on the stock market you have no problem with

00:37:02.620 this if there's inflation it's going to be a lot easier to pay off that debt and it's kind of

00:37:06.800 satisfying to watch all the smug people who've acted as though they worked so hard and really didn't

00:37:11.780 to get so much that you can't even get when you work twice as hard you'll suffer a little it's

00:37:15.300 very satisfying if anything well and i know the tariffs paid off you know he canceled most of them

00:37:20.100 76 countries are now at the bargaining table delayed delayed but but he's given them the opportunity to

00:37:25.360 negotiate without the big economic and then china went against us and now has a 125 tariff on them

00:37:31.440 which i think can rally the rest of the world around china which has been treating the rest of the world

00:37:36.180 very unfairly for a long time and i think that this is the sort of vitalism that people wanted to see

00:37:41.060 from the white house they wanted to see big moves like even if he goes in and he goes out they just

00:37:46.100 wanted to see the white house do something you know it feels like when biden is in office nothing was

00:37:51.140 happening just yeah well yeah well i mean look i mean by biden was biden was a zombie i mean biden

00:37:58.800 really was a zombie biden was literally puppeted by the deep state like i love how we like at first it

00:38:05.260 was trump is like i'm fighting against the deep state and everyone's like you're crazy this is the

00:38:08.500 conspiracy theory and then we learned that like biden hasn't been making decisions for like years

00:38:13.140 and and and that the democrats like didn't even hold primaries and we're like oh yeah i mean well

00:38:18.680 obviously the deep state handled all that but you know no problem yeah yeah great crazy and i mean

00:38:25.420 you know during the election campaign before biden dropped out then you know you had axios they did a

00:38:30.720 they did an article saying meet the biden oligarchy where it was like yeah these these are the people who

00:38:36.520 are actually making decisions for joe biden it's his wife it's his best friend and some other people

00:38:41.180 you're like well you know who voted for this who voted for an oligarchy rather than an actual

00:38:47.420 executive you know because that's what the president is i mean the president is the executive

00:38:51.220 it's the executive function but but actually it's been it's been transferred to an oligarchy so

00:38:56.640 yeah i mean i i think that the the contrast between trump i mean okay trump is an old man

00:39:02.500 sure but but he doesn't have old man energy i mean he's not he's not joe biden i mean trump is

00:39:07.720 the most insanely youthful 70 whatever old 76 year old however old he is you know and he really has

00:39:14.980 captured really has captured you know with his mean power because he i mean he's just you know he's a

00:39:21.500 he is a phenomenon there isn't really anybody like him truly and so so yeah i mean that now is now is

00:39:28.120 very definitely the time for a different vision of not only right-wing politics but also right-wing

00:39:34.880 culture more broadly and and you know one of the things that's very important about man's world is

00:39:39.840 that about the vision for man's world is that you know right-wingers over the course of the 20th

00:39:46.120 century retreated basically into economics they seeded they seeded the entire cultural ground to their

00:39:52.780 enemies they said you know you have the universities you you make all the art you make all the television

00:39:58.620 programs we'll just have like liberal and neoliberal economics you know we'll make sure that the free

00:40:04.800 market reigns and that will mean that we have a right-wing society if we have free market economics

00:40:10.620 well actually it doesn't actually it doesn't and you know we've learned over the course of the 20th

00:40:15.620 century that it's one of them there's been one of the biggest mistakes actually that the writers

00:40:19.540 made to seed so much cultural territory to its enemies to let them have art you just have art you

00:40:27.200 have you have hollywood you have you have music you have everything you know we'll just have economics

00:40:32.780 so so yeah i mean i think it's i think it's important you know to have to be producing culture to be

00:40:40.400 producing innovative culture not culture that's stayed and boring and that doesn't appeal to young

00:40:46.420 people but actually culture that's exciting and you know because there's nothing exciting about the

00:40:52.720 left anymore i mean the left is the left is ruled by committee it's ruled by you know committees of

00:40:59.140 women and obese minorities and disabled people and you know like there's nothing in that that's exciting

00:41:07.140 for young people i mean yeah and and leftist art you know leftist art has has totally abandoned

00:41:13.080 the kind of cool mission of art pleasant yeah it's actively unpleasant and that's the thing that i

00:41:19.340 find when i look at something like man's world is that it is actively pleasant like it like like

00:41:24.740 looking at it is visually engaging and and and makes my brain like i i think it's interesting that

00:41:31.840 i'm like oh this makes my brain feel pleasure when i look at this i feel vitalistic i feel excited i want

00:41:37.340 to look at more of it and it's so different from the other like if i go to an art museum these days

00:41:43.980 it's just like depressing yeah i i just come out we don't need more it's too depressing yeah

00:41:49.640 come away when we were in when we were in miami so we were all at heretic on well yeah in miami in

00:41:56.160 october so i did a panel with lomez jonathan keeperman you know who runs passage press they publish the

00:42:02.280 magazine and with curtis yarbin and peachy keenan about my friends great people yeah great great

00:42:09.460 people about right wing literature and the art the right wing arts you know that kind of stuff

00:42:13.780 and in attendance actually i i found out afterwards was a guy from playboy and he came up to me a

00:42:20.040 journalist from playboy he came up to me and he said oh we're all taking notice of what you're doing

00:42:24.940 at playboy so they're actually they're actually about to release for the first time i think in five

00:42:30.640 years of physical edition so they've retreated to the website over the last five years because

00:42:35.580 sales have been down so much so you know you won't find playboy on the store shelves because

00:42:40.040 it's just a website at the moment but he actually said he actually said to me look i would i want to

00:42:46.460 interview you in playboy about what is wrong with playboy which i thought was which i thought was

00:42:52.300 quite quite interesting quite brave potentially you know for the for the magazine to do that but i love

00:42:57.280 that yeah there there isn't there isn't really any competition for this at the moment i mean

00:43:02.200 my my hope generally is that you know we end up actually creating a broader scene where you get

00:43:07.660 loads of people making you know right right wing magazines whatever right wing art i mean

00:43:13.060 one caution though that i do have is that actually i mean in many ways i think it's actually a

00:43:20.520 uh it's actually a dead end to produce right wing art i actually think that you know the left has

00:43:28.480 totally ceded the ground of all of the kind of traditional values and virtues of art basically

00:43:34.180 like representation it's out the window out the window the best thing we can do actually is produce

00:43:39.960 art just produce good art because the left isn't doing that so absolutely you know return return to the

00:43:46.560 kind of traditional tenets of art the the return to the basic framework of art and just produce good

00:43:52.500 art produce art that's appealing that that actually you know that people want to see likewise you know

00:43:58.680 produce produce writing that people want to read produce films that people want to watch you don't

00:44:04.240 have to you don't have to lay on the ideology with a trowel you know you don't have to you don't

00:44:10.220 have to bash people over the head with this is a right wing product as opposed to a left wing

00:44:15.220 product i think it needs to be it needs to be kind of subtle i mean i know that with man's world you

00:44:20.460 would look at the cover you know it's got donald trump on the cover and the stuff inside and it's

00:44:24.920 unmistakably i would say trumpist right wing whatever but actually there's room to be subtle

00:44:31.220 as well and i think that i think that yeah that that's really what that's really what we need to do

00:44:36.340 i mean if we're gonna if we're gonna have a kind of cultural takeover then it should it doesn't

00:44:41.780 just have to serve as a kind of like tool of indoctrination and in fact actually i think that

00:44:46.000 would make it less attractive than if you just there's nothing inherently political about vitalism

00:44:52.060 about beauty about enthusiasm and and optimism there wasn't anything inherently political about

00:44:58.900 beauty i'm saying it doesn't have to be political it has been made it doesn't have to be but i'd point

00:45:04.560 out you know you look at the the artistic movements of the past it's a verse of artistic movements of the

00:45:08.760 past they often had like scenes where you know you'd be in new york or you'd be in berlin and you'd

00:45:14.020 go to the secret clubs and everything like that and what's really interesting about this is that

00:45:18.980 because we live in the age of the internet and in the age of 4chan the the the scene is x networks

00:45:26.280 it's it's it's heretic on it's you know this will be remembered as the scene where this artistic

00:45:33.900 movement was blooming and we'll also see i think you are absolutely right to point to you know bronze

00:45:40.200 age pervert as one of the progenitors of this i think you have a zero hp lovecraft as another one

00:45:46.780 of the progenitors of this but people who will be remembered if humanity survives this is hey we're

00:45:53.640 in an interesting time in human history right i don't know but i'm i'm saying like if humanity does

00:45:57.960 survive another hundred years and we're looking back and we're studying this as an artistic movement

00:46:01.540 that's really fascinating to me the way that this lives in online circles instead of and another

00:46:09.880 interesting thing is it's very non it's it's got this this combination of you know you could almost

00:46:16.900 sort of say not not not but but sexualized content within the images or if you look at our podcast

00:46:23.840 like we talk about sex sexuality pretty frequently but instead of like the artists of the past where that

00:46:31.060 sexualized content was paired was debauchery was in the personal lives of the people who who output it

00:46:37.300 engaging in debauchery like if i engaged in debauchery like the guy who's into like cuckoldry

00:46:42.660 and filming and whatever like he's been expelled from the community to an extent that that you are

00:46:49.200 supposed to uh you know treat your wife well you're supposed to you know be in in these sorts of like

00:46:55.840 stable relationships so so it's it's a it's a contrast in the art behind what's depicted in it

00:47:02.860 and what's expected from the creator which is really i think subversive of what was historically

00:47:09.680 expected of your cutting edge artist yeah yeah i think that's yeah i think that's a great point i mean

00:47:16.040 there's certainly there are certainly tensions i think and there have been tensions with with

00:47:20.640 man's world so in the first issue i mean so the first the first 12 issues were all digital they're

00:47:26.180 online you know they were just pdfs and in the first the very first issue then i i reprinted some

00:47:32.140 classic 1980s centerfolds and i called the feet from playboy and i called the feature vintage bush

00:47:38.160 because you know it's uh it's uh it's a very the decline great well come on yeah i know like but you

00:47:47.780 know like the decline of pubic hair in in soft sort of pornography and in pornography more generally

00:47:52.240 is is an interesting and in society more generally in fact you know it's an interesting thing and so

00:47:57.600 i was like you know these are like kind of quite charming actually you know these i mean obviously

00:48:03.060 attractive women and yes they are nude but they have you know sort of like expansive pubic hair and

00:48:08.880 there was there was a there was a lot of a lot of people found it really funny and they were like

00:48:12.440 yeah this is really cool but then there there was actually quite a quite a pushback like the trad

00:48:18.420 casts and people like that you know were like oh this is i love the magazine but i can't in good

00:48:23.860 conscience share this and so that kind of that kind of went out of the window actually having having

00:48:29.580 centerfolds and stuff i mean i love the idea of it being nostalgic and subversive at the same time

00:48:35.680 like it's the aesthetic but i can also understand why trad casts would have problems one thing i note and i want

00:48:41.280 to hear because the the magazine is very different and i didn't realize this until i saw it printed

00:48:47.140 at the event and i was like oh i get this now it does not look like and i'm i actually may want to

00:48:53.780 subscribe so we'll talk about it i'll ask you how much it costs to subscribe as well so for people who

00:48:58.360 want to go look at it but it's really structured more like a coffee table book um where it's supposed to

00:49:05.700 be a really nice thing bordering on like a a high quality soft cover book well that's what good

00:49:12.920 magazines were always supposed to be you would always have them out they for a period like i

00:49:18.300 remember when i would buy like maxim or something it was like floppy it was flimsy paper the images

00:49:22.980 were like okay and engaging but it wasn't meant to be in in enthralling this reminds me a lot more of

00:49:29.700 like i don't know almost like the klutz series when i was a kid and had like all sorts of like weird

00:49:34.460 things that i just remember being delightful to me as a kid so so how much does it cost how often

00:49:40.300 does it come out so at the moment it's biannual so we're doing two issues a year i believe at the

00:49:47.300 moment it is $39.99 an issue but like but like you say it's not a regular magazine and it's not

00:49:54.660 supposed to be so i mean we're you know we're doing in magazine terms we're doing small runs you

00:49:59.680 know however many thousand rather than a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand or a million or

00:50:04.720 whatever you know like label in its in its heyday and so you know we're doing small batches and what

00:50:10.080 we want it to be is we want it really to be like a collect each one should be like a collector's item

00:50:15.220 you know i mean it's not it's an item that's designed to last it's on beautiful acid-free paper

00:50:20.560 you know the cover will have something like the the logo will be covered in gold foil for example

00:50:26.780 you know i mean it's really it's really really it's really really high it's really really high

00:50:32.440 class you know it's like if that was if that was on a newsstand that would be the best magazine 100%

00:50:39.220 yeah top shelf yeah yeah well it doesn't it didn't look like a magazine when i saw it and when i hear

00:50:44.740 about your contextualization of it now i was like oh i get this in a way i didn't get it before seeing

00:50:50.520 it i was like oh i like it is it comes across different in print it's it's great online this

00:50:55.600 is the type of thing i want my son to stumble across and dig through because he finds it

00:51:02.280 stimulating like he's like oh this is a weird and subversive and like and and and i didn't see

00:51:09.380 like with all the film crews in our house we definitely need to get a subscription simona there's

00:51:13.040 only twice a year like definitely because well i wouldn't want it to be more than twice a year

00:51:17.320 because it's so like like solid and engaging that it's like i wouldn't i wouldn't want more

00:51:23.160 you don't want to get to a point where you don't have time to read through all of it that's one of

00:51:26.460 those yeah and and also i mean it is still just me making it so oh my gosh wow yeah yeah i mean i

00:51:33.540 have i have a i have a designer who i who i get to do some of the images and stuff but i lay out i do

00:51:40.400 the layout i do all the editing i write you know i make the memes i write probably one or two articles

00:51:47.200 per issue as well so i mean it's it's all me at the moment so two is two is enough for now but i

00:51:53.480 mean i think you know we have we have plans to expand and so at most i think we'll probably do

00:51:59.300 a quarterly at most fair and that helps to explain though why it's so cohesive i mean the quality

00:52:05.160 control therefore just yeah it's just it's just it's just me it just all goes through me but yeah

00:52:09.720 i i wouldn't i wouldn't want to release an issue every month i mean you would have to have a really

00:52:15.300 big you know really slick operation to be able to do that and and that would be that would be my job

00:52:21.340 that would be my full-time job then and so yeah well i'm i'm really glad we had you on i'm glad we

00:52:27.400 had this conversation because i think that future art historians will be studying this conversation

00:52:32.240 and saying oh what was this artistic movement that the main because the academics can't engage

00:52:37.760 with it you know because they're afraid to right like it is subversive well they well there are there

00:52:43.040 are actually some academic articles about me and about manswell which is interesting but no way yeah

00:52:49.640 they're totally it's all like oh this is you know this is the aesthetics of fascism this is about

00:52:55.340 you know like the glorification of the body masculinity and oh how dare we

00:53:00.640 so it's i mean it's it's it's typical it's the kind of stuff you'd expect and it's largely

00:53:06.060 i mean it's very funny you know they go into they try to analyze the means and it's also

00:53:10.640 so ham-fisted and they don't they just don't get it you know they're not conversant with the culture

00:53:15.880 they don't understand the degree of irony etc so it's it's kind of it's kind of embarrassing really

00:53:22.340 for them but yeah i mean i think it's amazing i think it takes someone it takes someone with a

00:53:27.620 with a softer touch i think to understand it takes someone who's actually conversant with the culture

00:53:32.740 well well so this reminds me of a john oliver segment where he was looking at trump and trump

00:53:37.400 took up you know riley gains a woman who's been campaigning against the trans stuff and he goes to

00:53:41.880 her he goes well you know anyone who can look at me and her can see that i'm a much larger and

00:53:46.880 stronger person than her and i could beat her in any swimming race this is a actually a very funny

00:53:53.580 joke from trump but john oliver thought he was being dead serious and was making fun of him for

00:54:00.500 it and i was like is comedy dead like how do you not see that he's he's having a laugh here but i also

00:54:07.340 think that what you're pointing out here with academia not being able to engage in it nothing

00:54:12.200 if academia is close to the center of power within our culture you can't be the new subversive artistic

00:54:19.360 movement and be something academia can understand if academia can understand you then you're not the

00:54:25.720 new subversive artistic movement and i don't think that any other movement on earth right now has can

00:54:33.360 can claim that like it's so weird that like the beatniks of our generation or the the whatever is

00:54:40.080 like this right leaning and it you know it's funny that you mentioned like the centerfold because that's

00:54:45.040 also a tension we had on our show which is on our show we used to we do lots of clips on our show

00:54:51.180 of like memes from the 90s and south park and stuff like that and we used to have a lot of gamer words

00:54:56.200 or curse words and then somebody reached out and they're like i watched this was my kid can you

00:54:59.980 please you know remove all curse words and i was like you know what yeah i'm gonna do that it doesn't

00:55:04.380 hurt us to just remove all curse words like the adults know what's being said if i delete just those

00:55:08.960 words and i was like i i think that that's part of it it's to be provocative you know sexually to be

00:55:18.300 provocative in terms of how we engage with stuff but to remove all of the actual vulgarities i

00:55:24.780 wouldn't want my son engaging we actually see this on old media i don't know if this ever really aired

00:55:30.600 in the uk but there's a kids show called magic school bus that we watched a lot as kids yeah

00:55:34.700 and we're watching again with our kids now and there's a lot there's a lot of episodes that

00:55:42.080 imply that mrs frizzle has had sexual relationships with a lot of other people and every other competent

00:55:47.400 man has a very clearly had a sexual relationship with it yeah and we're like whoa like this is

00:55:52.700 really interesting there's a whole bunch of other things that happen in it where we're like this is

00:55:56.500 extremely sexually one time when the kids turn into eggs and then have fish fertilize them and they

00:56:02.360 become fish i was like what's that whole thing with phoebe and her teacher too but yeah anyway so

00:56:07.400 like i think that there there's a lot of that subversiveness in the past quite recently where

00:56:12.740 it's it's it's communicable to adults but available to children as well which is interesting and i think

00:56:20.440 you know pretty prenatal when something is capable of being multi-layered like that whereas you know we've

00:56:26.260 devolved into an era now where i think it was tina fey describing how they wrote the script for

00:56:33.880 the sitcom 30 rock describing how whenever they do a joke first they do the joke and then they like

00:56:39.900 explicitly explain the joke for the people who can't process what a joke is i guess and we sort of

00:56:46.280 come to that point where we like literally have to explain every joke we've just told so i think that

00:56:52.400 there's also sort of unsaid between the pages of what you've written that not every academic is

00:56:57.800 able to pick up this level of nuance and cleverness that we've forgotten how to communicate that i'd love

00:57:05.960 to see more pervasive again yeah yeah i mean i yeah i i think that it's like i said earlier i think that

00:57:14.980 the humor and and the kind of irreverence that's important that's not that's not secondary that's

00:57:21.860 central that's a that's clearly yeah it's absolutely integral to the to the package it's integral to the

00:57:27.840 message and to the to the whole vibe and to the whole movement actually and so you know i mean i there

00:57:34.720 are some there are other magazines on the market you know in the same space but none none of them really

00:57:39.300 captures i think the kind of that kind of energy that kind of irreverence which i think distinguishes

00:57:45.680 the online world distinguishes the the right-wing social twitter world 4chan etc and as is obviously

00:57:52.900 now actually is is kind of dominant in american culture because trump is in the white house yes

00:57:58.000 you know i mean i think that yeah it will be it will be good actually once that spirit really does

00:58:04.020 start to spread to other publications and to other to other media it'll happen you're pushing it

00:58:09.920 forward you you are the spark i hope i hope you are remembered alongside like who is that writer who

00:58:16.160 you mentioned like michael thompson or hunter hunter s thompson hunter thompson i hope you're remembered as

00:58:20.940 as our generation's version of that you know defining a style of of of a right because you're you're both

00:58:27.760 defining a style of writing and art and collating it and i think that if humanity survives

00:58:33.960 that will be seen as a central part of this generation yeah yeah no i do may your cremated

00:58:43.980 remains be shot from the equivalent of a cannon i think they're going to be making a lot of movies

00:58:48.700 with this style oh yeah all the popular movies of the next generation are going to be made in this

00:58:53.320 style in the same way that we take up the popular styles of the past so anyway yeah well cool check out

00:58:58.820 everyone man's world you can i mean you can still access everything digitally right and then there's the

00:59:02.960 twice your publications correct yeah so so there's man's world mag dot online you can read a selection

00:59:08.340 of of articles from the magazine we also publish two exclusive online only articles every week

00:59:14.480 there's a store as well we've got absolutely great t-shirts on the store like hilarious trump t-shirt

00:59:20.800 oh i didn't know that okay hello yeah there's some great some great ones there are some there's an

00:59:25.740 anime trump tease and in fact i would say that he's got the best trump tease around on the website

00:59:31.120 man's world mag dot online slash store and then you're also at baby gravy on x and baby gravy nine

00:59:38.660 yep you should also yeah baby gravy nine and and check out rag nationalist on amazon because you've

00:59:44.120 also written some very influential books and i've got and i've got it and i've got a new book coming

00:59:48.540 out this month what yeah with passage called the last men liberalism and the death of masculinity

00:59:54.600 that's about testosterone decline fertility decline as a as a like a civilizational problem yes yeah

01:00:01.900 which was really the the big topic of the first time you came on our podcast that was our

01:00:05.820 i gotta i gotta say what some of these shirts say what has an anime girl like looking like oh you better

01:00:12.480 be paying attention it says a right-wing bodybuilder is talking listen learn so that so there was a

01:00:19.180 there was a there was a very funny t-shirt that said uh that's that this is based on it said something

01:00:24.860 like a black woman is speaking listen and learn and so that's where that's amazing oh hold on they've

01:00:32.580 got a baron trump one here look at that no no he's got lightning eyes and like a caesar thing ave baron

01:00:38.600 yes you're putting these on screen right malcolm you're gonna put them in post i'll try

01:00:42.420 i'll try to i'll try to i can i can yes we got one here trump 2024 rigors

01:00:48.120 could be here i don't get that one oh that's okay that's uh yeah that's uh that's a 4chan that's

01:00:54.840 a 4chan meme okay okay i'm not gonna say more on that then we don't want to get this is good

01:00:59.800 yeah well congratulations on your book coming out too i'm very excited to read this because yeah i

01:01:04.260 mean you've you've found some of the best research that we have have read on the subject get in the

01:01:10.240 crystal libtard is donald so can you explain the crystal meme that was like fantastic yeah i don't

01:01:16.960 know where that came from but people people started saying that they were going to imprison libtards

01:01:21.080 in crystals when donald trump got elected and so you know every time a libtard would post something

01:01:26.920 on twitter and somebody would would post a picture of a crystal it would be a countdown to trump's

01:01:31.760 election for inauguration this seems to have come from liberals our video when trump was elected said

01:01:39.080 report to the mar-a-lago breeding pens and and it's very much along that where liberals were acting

01:01:44.920 like everyone was going to be like arrested or whatever and so i think they went with the idea

01:01:49.000 of like a a you know from like 80s superman and stuff like that like capturing people it's good stuff

01:01:56.500 yeah all right well everyone definitely check out the book when they when it comes out do you have a date

01:02:00.700 i think it's it will be ready for order this month from okay perfect but just keep your eyes peeled

01:02:07.660 watch my twitter and i'll yeah there'll be a big announcement awesome cool oh raw egg national

Based Camp - April 18, 2025

The Aesthetics of the New Right With Raw Egg Nationalist (Birth of a New Subversive Art Movement)

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