Based Camp - The Authenticity of Fraud： The Yale Hillbilly + The Classless Aristocrat

00:00:00.000 Both J.D. Vant and Trump represent a form of identity laundering and fraudulence that is extremely authentic.

00:00:11.680 Yeah, and trustworthy.

00:00:13.760 It builds trust.

00:00:14.420 He grew up an actual hillbilly.

00:00:17.780 Then he found out that to achieve the things that society told him were valuable, he had to adopt another identity.

00:00:29.020 He's a Princeton venture capitalist, right?

00:00:32.740 Yeah.

00:00:33.380 Your true self is who you choose to be, how you choose to see the world.

00:00:38.080 Yeah.

00:00:38.240 And I believe he is not somebody who accidentally became who he is.

00:00:42.600 He became who he is because he had a goal, I want to be X type of person now, and he has transformed himself.

00:00:50.720 All culture is a LARP.

00:00:51.880 I think this ties into that.

00:00:53.160 And I think you're much more authentic when you're LARPing culture than when you're just defaulting into whatever culture surrounds you because you have consciously chosen it.

00:01:01.940 Therefore, you own it.

00:01:02.920 Would you like to know more?

00:01:04.300 Hello, Simone.

00:01:05.620 I am so excited to be talking to you today.

00:01:08.040 We had done an episode on J.D. Vance that actually went live today.

00:01:12.060 And I was, as Trump's VP and the writer of Hillbilly Eulogy.

00:01:16.960 Eulogy.

00:01:18.060 Hillbilly.

00:01:18.920 Eulogy.

00:01:19.720 I'm always going to get that wrong.

00:01:20.880 Effigy is what I'm always going to say.

00:01:22.000 Don't say effigy.

00:01:22.680 Anyway, there was a really interesting discussion on the Discord about the episode.

00:01:27.300 And I'll put the interesting topic on the Discord here so people can get these types of comments in real time as they're coming up.

00:01:33.440 But it made me realize that this pick was fascinating from so many perspectives that I want to dive into.

00:01:43.600 Like the psychology of this pick.

00:01:46.360 And the psychology that's represented in Trump now having as his running mate, I think, the personification of the Never Trump movement.

00:01:58.320 And what that means for the shift that we've had culturally speaking.

00:02:02.700 Both J.D. Vance and Trump represent a form of identity laundering and fraudulence that is extremely authentic.

00:02:15.640 Yeah.

00:02:16.280 And trustworthy.

00:02:16.640 And perhaps more.

00:02:17.260 And trustworthy.

00:02:18.140 It builds trust.

00:02:19.300 Yeah.

00:02:19.480 And so do you want to talk about this?

00:02:22.320 Because you were the one who first notices.

00:02:23.700 Yeah.

00:02:24.180 So their particular brands and personalities, I think, are comforting and trustworthy in the same way that franchises are trustworthy.

00:02:33.820 And I'll explain why.

00:02:34.860 So I'd said earlier that it was very fitting to me and I found it very pleasing that Trump is like the poor man's caricature of a rich man.

00:02:44.600 In yesterday's conversation, how Trump is, he frames himself as this very like classy, successful businessman.

00:02:51.840 Whereas like your typical like waspy, wealthy person in the U.S. would seem as pretty trashy.

00:02:56.800 And on the flip side, you have this man who's branded himself as a hillbilly and a man of people who nevertheless, after coming out of the Marines, went to Yale Law School, worked in venture capital, worked with the tech.

00:03:09.120 We was totally not like the hillbilly.

00:03:11.640 And yet we see them as being probably more authentic when you actually come down to it than like your average normal politician who's playing by the politician template of I'm authentic.

00:03:22.120 This is me.

00:03:22.720 And I think a lot of what's going on there is they've both adopted characters that are predictable and in that way trustworthy.

00:03:30.840 You don't have to like someone to trust them.

00:03:33.400 You have to feel like you can model and predict them.

00:03:35.500 That's it.

00:03:36.280 I think it's more than that.

00:03:37.940 So I think J.D. Vance is a bit easier to study this from than Trump.

00:03:42.560 Okay.

00:03:43.180 So J.D. Vance grew up like an actual hillbilly.

00:03:46.680 So you read his book.

00:03:47.660 Can you talk to some of the stories in it?

00:03:49.660 Yeah, I think, yeah, this is important that people recognize it.

00:03:53.820 He was mostly raised by his grandmother, who he called Meemaw.

00:03:56.980 And she really is this caricature as well.

00:04:00.040 This is like the classic Scots-Irish back country American.

00:04:04.240 There was this one family story where apparently Meemaw said to her husband that if she came home, if he came home drunk again, she would kill him.

00:04:15.680 And lo and behold, one day he comes home, you take a drink of Coors Light.

00:04:21.200 One day he comes home drunk, passes out on the couch.

00:04:24.280 And she, he wrote in his book, actually, that she poured gasoline on him.

00:04:28.120 The family actually quibbled that, no, it was probably lighter fluid.

00:04:31.680 But that was the only family who quibbled by the way.

00:04:33.840 Symantec.

00:04:34.660 But yeah, and lit him on fire.

00:04:36.620 And it was actually J.D.'s, I think, aunt, one of the, one of the daughters who took pity upon this man and saved his life.

00:04:43.880 But this is a woman who does not fuck around.

00:04:48.640 This is very back country of value systems.

00:04:51.980 Yeah.

00:04:52.260 Like, you know, you set boundaries and then you enforce them with violence.

00:04:56.840 Yeah, but, and I think this is, the way that people are like, J.D. Vance is not really a hillbilly.

00:05:00.860 But he was raised in that kind of culture and environment.

00:05:03.540 And also when people are like, yeah, Trump's not really like a classy, wealthy businessman.

00:05:07.380 He was raised really wealthy.

00:05:08.960 Like, the way in which these people are frauds are like not exactly the stereotypes that they're playing up.

00:05:13.740 That's the topic I want to make here around fraudulence.

00:05:17.540 Which is to say, he grew up an actual hillbilly.

00:05:21.300 Then he found out that to achieve the things that society told him were valuable, he had to adopt another identity.

00:05:32.960 He's a Princeton venture capitalist, right?

00:05:36.360 And he fit in with this new identity community that he was representing.

00:05:41.720 When he was writing Hillbilly Elegy, he was writing it to explain how could anyone ever vote for Trump, which was genuinely something that was in his community, people were asking.

00:05:54.900 And he, at the time, was motivated to believe, I could never do something like this.

00:05:59.240 I would never do something like this.

00:06:01.200 Not the person I am today.

00:06:03.180 But then he thought, the environment I grew up in, I can model them, I can begin to see how they might do certain things.

00:06:12.200 Or why they might do certain things.

00:06:14.120 And then he did something that a lot of people do at different points of their life, which is he was modeling this other community, this community he originally came from.

00:06:23.600 And either because he thought through re-adopting this identity in the same way that he adopted the ultra-urban monoculture identity to achieve success in venture capital and Princeton law and all that, he might have realized he could politically capitalize from this new identity and began to adapt it.

00:06:41.780 Like, maybe that was part of the early motivation.

00:06:44.700 White people code switch too.

00:06:46.980 Yeah, people code switch all the time.

00:06:48.160 But maybe it was in modeling this, in engaging with this population again, I don't believe in a true self.

00:06:55.960 Like, a lot of people are like, oh, you should just be your true self.

00:06:59.120 Your true self is who you choose to be.

00:07:01.800 How you choose to see the world.

00:07:03.900 Yeah.

00:07:04.020 And I believe he began to choose.

00:07:07.340 Like, he realized, I think, partially, that he had distanced himself from his real cultural ancestry.

00:07:14.880 Because he had begun to dehumanize people with those value systems and that culture.

00:07:20.540 And he realized that, oh, I shouldn't be doing that.

00:07:23.840 They actually have some value to them, perhaps more value than the urban monoculture.

00:07:28.980 And this is the journey that many people have gone down.

00:07:32.180 And so the question is, when was he pretending?

00:07:34.260 Was he pretending when he was ultra-urban monoculture, venture capitalist Princeton guy?

00:07:39.420 Or is he pretending now that he still has many of their mannerisms?

00:07:43.580 He can still code switch to access their community.

00:07:46.460 But when he's making decisions about the metaphysical nature of reality, good and evil, etc.,

00:07:53.060 which identity is he channeling?

00:07:56.280 He tells us which identity he's channeling, I think, both in his actions and in his policy positions.

00:08:01.660 And in that, we can see that he is not somebody who accidentally became who he is.

00:08:07.500 He became who he is because he had a goal.

00:08:11.000 I want to be X type of person now.

00:08:13.480 And he has transformed himself from the way that he dresses and talks to his value system

00:08:19.360 into a high-class hillbilly.

00:08:22.600 Yeah, a poor mountain deer barely kept his family fed.

00:08:31.680 Well, the first thing you knowed old Jed's billionaire

00:08:34.060 said California's the place you ought to be.

00:08:36.860 So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly Hills, that is.

00:08:44.500 There's so many people in this here town.

00:08:47.400 It's gonna take a long time to meet everybody.

00:08:49.100 That's real nice, son.

00:08:55.560 This here's what I carry.

00:08:56.940 Okay, go, go, go, go.

00:09:03.980 Well, and you once tweeted that all culture is a LARP.

00:09:06.960 I think this ties into that.

00:09:08.600 And I think you're much more authentic when you're LARPing culture

00:09:11.200 than when you're just defaulting into whatever culture surrounds you

00:09:14.400 because you have consciously chosen it.

00:09:17.020 Therefore, you own it.

00:09:17.960 You've thought through it.

00:09:18.900 And you can, instead of deontologically or performatively acting out that culture,

00:09:23.180 just, oh, I guess this is how it's done, going through the motions.

00:09:26.100 You're living it.

00:09:27.640 You're living the values.

00:09:28.740 And you're executing on them with true fidelity to that cultural system.

00:09:33.320 I actually think that this form of identity laundering or identity fraud

00:09:37.960 is actually the core of the new vitalist framework.

00:09:41.920 Oh, interesting.

00:09:42.900 Look at our previous video where they see the concepts of,

00:09:46.320 we think that we've moved from a disgust-based moral system

00:09:48.780 to a cringe-based moral system to now a vitalist-based moral system,

00:09:51.680 which elevates people like Tiger King,

00:09:54.040 who is another person who I think represents this form of fraud.

00:09:57.080 Oh, totally.

00:09:57.760 Tiger King isn't who Tiger King is

00:10:00.140 because of random circumstances that happened to him throughout his life.

00:10:04.140 Tiger King decided to become Tiger King.

00:10:07.300 It was a brand that he aspired to embody

00:10:12.740 and now does embody in a very authentic way

00:10:16.840 because it is not something that he is

00:10:19.260 because it's just what the people around him are.

00:10:21.740 It is because he chose to be.

00:10:23.760 Keep rolling.

00:10:24.740 Keep rolling.

00:10:26.720 Now, this is the kind of movies we're going to make here, okay?

00:10:32.040 Ladies and gentlemen, before you hear it on the news,

00:10:33.980 I'm going to tell you myself,

00:10:35.060 about an hour ago we had an incident

00:10:36.500 where one of the employees stuck their arm through the cage

00:10:39.000 and a tiger tore her arm off.

00:10:42.100 I can give you your money back or I can give you a rain check.

00:10:45.560 Yeah, this is what I value.

00:10:46.980 This is what I like.

00:10:47.840 This is who I'm going to be

00:10:48.660 and this is what I'm going to stand for

00:10:49.980 and I'm living it 100% of the time at volume 10.

00:10:54.860 Yes.

00:10:55.220 And I actually think Andrew Tate is very similar.

00:10:59.160 Yes, yes.

00:11:00.380 I guarantee you don't walk around your house

00:11:03.560 with a sword

00:11:04.120 because you're not a commander.

00:11:07.440 I'm a commander.

00:11:08.420 And I think that's one of the appeals about him for people.

00:11:11.420 Yeah.

00:11:11.720 It's so funny when people see our value system

00:11:14.000 and they're like,

00:11:14.680 you can't just choose who you want to be.

00:11:16.920 You can't just choose what you want to believe

00:11:18.800 in your moral system.

00:11:20.240 Yes, you can.

00:11:22.100 Yeah, you absolutely can.

00:11:23.820 That is the way the world works.

00:11:25.840 That is a value system that you actually have

00:11:28.680 because you own it.

00:11:29.920 Or because you chose it

00:11:31.460 and you intentionally went into it.

00:11:32.920 And this reminds me of when people are like,

00:11:35.180 how could you guys be around racists?

00:11:36.980 I'm like, why would it be a problem

00:11:38.100 if we're around racists?

00:11:39.220 Like we're trying to convince them not to be racists

00:11:40.840 and they go, if you're around enough racists,

00:11:42.300 you'll become a racist.

00:11:43.620 And so what you're telling us

00:11:45.220 is you hold your value system

00:11:47.140 because the people you are around

00:11:48.740 hold that value system.

00:11:50.120 Yeah.

00:11:50.300 Not because you chose that value system.

00:11:52.860 They are susceptible

00:11:54.040 to what the general public is doing

00:11:57.180 in a way that we are not

00:11:59.500 because they didn't choose to be who they are.

00:12:02.800 Who they are is just an average

00:12:04.460 of the people around them.

00:12:05.680 And you also see this in Trump.

00:12:07.980 Trump's identity,

00:12:09.700 when people say it's like a fraudulent identity

00:12:11.580 because he isn't accepted within high class culture.

00:12:14.100 He's not high class.

00:12:15.020 He doesn't,

00:12:15.580 he is as somebody who grew up,

00:12:18.200 and this is actually interesting to me

00:12:19.540 because Trump did grow up wealthy, right?

00:12:22.280 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:12:23.200 But it's clear to me that his family

00:12:26.020 was never accepted in high class culture.

00:12:28.380 So I grew up in what was

00:12:30.540 an exceptionally wealthy family.

00:12:31.860 Now I inherited none of it.

00:12:33.100 The family had all the money taken from them

00:12:34.600 and I was disowned from them long before that.

00:12:36.560 But they are a very,

00:12:39.520 I call it a Bohemian Grove wealthy family,

00:12:41.660 like that type of person.

00:12:42.900 They were-

00:12:43.560 Well, like Dallas.

00:12:44.060 There was a Dallas social book

00:12:45.680 that listed like the most important families in Dallas.

00:12:49.180 And we were in that book.

00:12:50.120 We still have a copy of it somewhere in our house

00:12:51.400 where when they used to have a social register,

00:12:52.940 you might not know what social registers are.

00:12:55.320 They had them in England

00:12:56.020 where they would rank people

00:12:57.140 by how important their family was.

00:12:59.660 DeBretz, my love.

00:13:00.960 The peerage, yeah.

00:13:02.300 Yeah, the peerage.

00:13:02.900 It was very important to like

00:13:03.960 how you addressed other people.

00:13:05.360 A lot of the old Southern cities had this as well.

00:13:08.040 So we were in that book

00:13:09.500 and we would go to all the parties.

00:13:10.840 And so I really understood how to code to this community.

00:13:14.600 I went to Cotillion.

00:13:15.540 I went to all that.

00:13:16.240 The house you were in when you were born

00:13:18.660 was featured in this magazine.

00:13:20.540 Yeah.

00:13:21.380 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:13:21.820 So I knew that community.

00:13:25.560 Now, the reason why I was expelled from my family

00:13:28.100 is because I intentionally decided

00:13:31.280 I did not like that community

00:13:32.840 and I did not like their value system.

00:13:35.280 But I think a lot of people can see

00:13:37.440 when they interact with me or look at me.

00:13:39.940 And my family was always considered an outsider

00:13:42.080 within that community.

00:13:43.160 We used to be called the Adams.

00:13:44.580 Yeah, they called it the Adams.

00:13:46.040 Because we were seen as so weird within that community.

00:13:48.600 But that was like, I knew how to code switch into that.

00:13:50.480 But it's clear that-

00:13:51.660 That was when you lived in Highland Park, right?

00:13:53.140 So the other Highland Park families of Dallas,

00:13:55.220 which is this wealthy neighborhood.

00:13:56.400 It's like the Beverly Hills of Dallas.

00:13:58.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:59.300 I grew up hanging out with the Bush family

00:14:01.400 and those sorts of individuals.

00:14:03.680 So I understood how to code switch into that

00:14:06.180 and what it means to be that.

00:14:07.480 It's very clear to me that for whatever reason,

00:14:10.680 Trump did not grow up

00:14:12.400 or was it not acculturated into actual Blue Bud culture.

00:14:16.560 He doesn't, he appears to want to be something like that,

00:14:21.100 but he doesn't know how to code that way.

00:14:23.700 And as I've mentioned in other episodes,

00:14:25.060 to me, he actually codes like a Persian.

00:14:28.680 Right, yeah.

00:14:29.920 Yeah, look, I'm guessing there's some kind of soccer match

00:14:32.380 from your home country going on,

00:14:34.060 but some of us are trying to sleep.

00:14:36.440 And I could almost deal with the noise,

00:14:38.240 but it's the cologne, all right?

00:14:40.600 I can smell it in my bed.

00:14:42.040 That's how powerful it is, okay?

00:14:44.340 That's how powerful it is.

00:14:45.860 Well, but also he does all these other things

00:14:47.480 that like, quote unquote,

00:14:48.800 like classy people aren't allowed to do.

00:14:51.140 Everyone knows.

00:14:52.440 As a side note here,

00:14:53.440 I genuinely do not think Trump knew this.

00:14:55.980 That sure, if you want to,

00:14:57.620 as like a very wealthy man of a high social class,

00:15:01.120 you can have your mistresses or whatever,

00:15:03.500 that you have to marry a respectable woman.

00:15:05.780 Like ideally, someone from your shared culture

00:15:08.420 who has social status within your social groups

00:15:11.120 and who is educated and respectable.

00:15:14.300 And I'm not, I mean, Melania is a queen.

00:15:17.220 She is a fantastic woman,

00:15:18.200 but she is an Eastern European model.

00:15:20.900 That is what trashy people marry.

00:15:22.380 You know, trashy people marry the mail order brides

00:15:26.940 who are incredibly sexy and accomplished

00:15:28.580 and obviously great people,

00:15:29.960 but that's not like the conforming thing to do.

00:15:33.920 I think a great example,

00:15:34.760 you look at somebody like JFK.

00:15:36.260 You have the absolute queen, Jackie Kennedy, right?

00:15:39.380 Yeah, but he got like the otherwise sexy women.

00:15:42.520 He just, yeah, he slept with them.

00:15:44.080 Yeah.

00:15:44.720 He sleeps with the Marilyn Monroe.

00:15:46.780 He marries the Jackie Kennedy.

00:15:48.600 You don't marry the Marilyn Monroe.

00:15:51.040 Yeah.

00:15:51.800 But Trump got his signals crossed around.

00:15:54.340 And if I had to guess around why this is,

00:15:57.080 my guess would be because his family made money

00:15:59.740 in what was considered a low-class industry.

00:16:02.100 And so he was never really accepted

00:16:04.820 as a use into the high-class world.

00:16:06.660 Ah, so he was like a wealthy merchant family

00:16:09.080 rather than a wealthy lord family or something.

00:16:11.100 Not just, yes.

00:16:11.900 Not just that he's a wealthy merchant.

00:16:13.740 So people might not know this,

00:16:15.260 but within blue blood circles,

00:16:16.900 real estate is considered a very low-class thing

00:16:19.280 to be involved in.

00:16:20.320 It's almost as low-class as car sales.

00:16:22.480 Yeah, well, my dad totally owns a dealership.

00:16:26.200 Dude, do you know who his dad is?

00:16:28.620 He's totally rich.

00:16:30.680 He will totally hook you up, dude.

00:16:32.980 We're drunk.

00:16:34.080 Which is, you can make-

00:16:35.260 Oh my God, you can-

00:16:36.160 So you don't know this,

00:16:37.120 but there's all these genres now on Netflix

00:16:39.180 of wealthy real estate brokers.

00:16:42.980 And they are the trashiest people in the entire world.

00:16:46.300 They're great shows because they like trashy people

00:16:49.080 by like only super designer brands

00:16:51.580 and do a lot of conspicuous consumption,

00:16:53.220 which again is like the ultimate sign of being trashy.

00:16:55.420 So that is so funny

00:16:56.620 because I've never actually heard you say that before.

00:16:58.340 And I never thought that real estate

00:17:00.340 was associated with like trashiness.

00:17:02.240 But when you go and watch these real estate

00:17:04.880 reality TV shows on Netflix,

00:17:07.040 which I do because I am low culture.

00:17:09.960 Thank you very much.

00:17:12.780 Wow, you're right.

00:17:14.380 It is not the waspy blue blood.

00:17:16.200 It is not the prep.

00:17:17.020 It is the-

00:17:19.020 Oh yeah.

00:17:19.380 The new agent, Francine.

00:17:21.740 I'm like a lemur monkey.

00:17:23.380 Mostly business,

00:17:24.320 but I will throw my own shit at you if I have to.

00:17:27.680 Because a lot of people don't know this.

00:17:29.000 They don't know.

00:17:29.380 You didn't grow up in one of these families.

00:17:30.520 Because you can make an astronomical amount of money

00:17:32.460 owning chains of car dealerships.

00:17:33.760 Yeah.

00:17:34.500 But it's just considered low class.

00:17:36.580 My dad's like totally rich.

00:17:37.640 We own this dealership.

00:17:38.340 And what sorority are you in?

00:17:39.780 Let's get together.

00:17:40.880 Dude, get off my shirt.

00:17:42.160 It's worth more than your ass life.

00:17:43.400 My dad owns a dealership.

00:17:44.540 Hello.

00:17:45.280 I can chill out for a while.

00:17:46.260 I mean, I've already flunked out, but it's cool.

00:17:48.120 I'm going to work at my dad's dealership.

00:17:49.540 My dad owns this dealership.

00:17:52.020 Yeah.

00:17:52.540 Well, and this is like for those who are not very familiar

00:17:54.880 with American discussions of class,

00:17:56.480 because I know we have a lot of like non-American viewers.

00:17:59.660 Their class is not at all in the United States

00:18:01.760 is associated with how much money you have.

00:18:03.380 There's like these two different versions of it.

00:18:05.480 There's like social class wealthy,

00:18:07.340 which means like you can have absolutely nothing,

00:18:09.680 be drowning in college debt

00:18:11.340 and like living in a hovel out,

00:18:13.320 like slightly outside Brooklyn,

00:18:14.560 but be very high class

00:18:16.120 and know all the right people

00:18:17.700 and go to all the right parties.

00:18:19.120 Or you could be like an air conditioning company baron

00:18:22.060 or a real estate baron

00:18:23.260 and have the best clothes

00:18:24.840 and have the best houses

00:18:26.080 and actually live in mansions

00:18:27.360 and actually have economic power

00:18:29.120 and not be in those circles.

00:18:30.920 A thing I note about the American class system

00:18:33.640 is if you know how to code switch into it,

00:18:35.780 you will generally be accepted

00:18:37.160 regardless of your background.

00:18:38.780 In fact, you will be considered higher class

00:18:41.560 than the people who were born into that class.

00:18:44.160 This might actually explain why J.D. Vance

00:18:46.060 was so readily accepted

00:18:47.700 and elevated within this culture

00:18:49.580 while Trump struggled so much

00:18:51.800 to gain acceptance within this culture.

00:18:53.520 This reminds me of something that Ayla wrote.

00:18:55.540 I realize this might need some context

00:18:57.380 for people who aren't regular watchers of the show.

00:18:59.140 So Ayla is a famous sex worker and sex researcher

00:19:03.160 and she ran away from her family at a young age

00:19:06.460 and got her start working in factories

00:19:08.780 where she's like,

00:19:09.520 I don't understand why I keep getting invited

00:19:11.580 to all these parties

00:19:12.500 and I'm treated as so like,

00:19:15.360 why is it that upper class society

00:19:17.800 is so interested in having me at all their events?

00:19:20.700 Yeah, like when will they realize

00:19:21.920 that I am not one of them?

00:19:24.500 Yeah, but she doesn't get it in upper class

00:19:27.420 because upper class America

00:19:28.760 always wants to believe that it's not classes.

00:19:31.680 Ayla codes very well for extreme upper class.

00:19:35.760 Oh, totally, yeah.

00:19:36.840 The way she talks,

00:19:38.240 the way she does her house,

00:19:39.760 the way she dresses.

00:19:41.320 The questions she asked,

00:19:42.300 her intellectual nature,

00:19:43.740 her level of education.

00:19:45.380 This probably also explains

00:19:46.520 why Ayla was so easily accepted

00:19:48.120 into upper class circles,

00:19:49.780 but Trump was not.

00:19:52.000 Signaling intellectual curiosity

00:19:54.000 is considered intrinsically very high class

00:19:57.680 by these communities,

00:19:58.520 which is something that Ayla constantly does

00:20:01.220 and Trump very rarely does.

00:20:02.980 Well, attempting to signal your own wealth

00:20:05.660 is considered incredibly low class.

00:20:08.780 And that's something that somebody like Ayla never does,

00:20:11.340 but Trump is constantly doing.

00:20:12.820 And what's also interesting

00:20:14.140 is sex work is not considered low class

00:20:16.760 within upper class communities

00:20:18.000 and the same way.

00:20:19.680 And a lot of people are really shocked by this.

00:20:21.560 They're like, what?

00:20:22.080 Sex work has always been considered low class.

00:20:23.600 And I was like, actually,

00:20:24.620 historically speaking,

00:20:25.760 sex workers are generally considered-

00:20:26.620 Yeah, like Aspasia, right?

00:20:28.340 That was her name.

00:20:29.340 What?

00:20:30.120 Aspasia.

00:20:31.120 Aspasia, yeah.

00:20:31.700 So if you look at like ancient Greek culture,

00:20:33.420 actually the highest class profession

00:20:35.220 you could have as a woman

00:20:36.020 was a special kind of sex work.

00:20:38.140 Now, it's not normal sex work,

00:20:39.500 but this was also true in the-

00:20:40.740 It was the philosopher queen sex worker.

00:20:42.820 Yeah, but this was also true

00:20:43.840 in the courts of French nobility.

00:20:45.100 Yeah, being a courtesan.

00:20:45.980 Yeah, Madame Pompadour.

00:20:47.620 Yeah, so the idea of,

00:20:49.200 which is also really interesting,

00:20:50.740 that sex work is not considered

00:20:52.440 a low class profession

00:20:53.520 if you do it while being

00:20:55.020 an incredible intellectual,

00:20:56.400 while something like real work,

00:20:58.020 like being involved in real estate or car sales.

00:21:01.060 I think people from middle class backgrounds

00:21:04.220 or who didn't grow up in blue blood families

00:21:06.120 would be very surprised by the professions

00:21:08.840 that give you class status dings

00:21:11.220 and the ones that don't.

00:21:13.040 An example here would be,

00:21:14.640 I remember my mom telling me

00:21:15.860 that I would be disinherited

00:21:17.360 if I got a law degree

00:21:19.040 because she considered being a lawyer so low class.

00:21:22.880 I actually got similar threats

00:21:25.920 if I went into profession as a doctor.

00:21:28.920 And I think that a lot of people

00:21:30.120 from non-blue blood backgrounds

00:21:33.020 would be confused by that

00:21:34.560 and assume that those would be considered

00:21:36.900 high class degrees.

00:21:39.080 And I'm usually,

00:21:40.920 or that something like Ayla's work

00:21:42.840 would bar her for being considered high class.

00:21:44.880 And it's like, no, no, not at all.

00:21:46.820 Actually, this is something I noticed

00:21:48.260 at St. Andrews where I went to school

00:21:50.580 and it's known for having

00:21:51.580 a lot of blue blood kids go there

00:21:53.640 is that the blue blood kids

00:21:54.940 like all sorted into like one of two degrees.

00:21:58.440 Either it was, if you went into the arts,

00:22:00.560 you would go into the classics,

00:22:02.600 which is like a completely useless degree

00:22:04.640 or art history or philosophy.

00:22:07.540 But if you went into the sciences,

00:22:09.740 where actually about,

00:22:10.740 I'd say 50% of the kids did

00:22:12.380 who came from blue blood families,

00:22:14.060 the generic degree you would get

00:22:16.100 or STEM was neuroscience

00:22:18.200 or particle physics.

00:22:20.520 Those were considered the two

00:22:21.820 like really high class degrees to have,

00:22:23.920 which, you know, humorously,

00:22:25.020 both my brother and I have degrees in neuroscience.

00:22:26.940 And again, there,

00:22:28.060 that's because it was considered

00:22:29.040 the most technically challenging of the degrees.

00:22:31.220 Therefore, it was the classiest of the degrees.

00:22:33.940 Also, I hope people can begin to understand

00:22:36.080 why I abandoned that cultural group,

00:22:39.520 even if it, you know,

00:22:40.980 for a period cut me off from my family

00:22:42.800 and it cost me what could have been

00:22:44.440 a fairly easy life.

00:22:45.760 It just wasn't worth it.

00:22:47.440 And really interesting.

00:22:49.320 It's so funny that I grew up in this group

00:22:51.860 that was traditionally aligned

00:22:53.080 with the Republican Party.

00:22:54.400 And as this group moved to align

00:22:57.580 with the Democratic Party,

00:22:58.820 the new group I ended up adopting,

00:23:00.760 you know, tech entrepreneurs

00:23:01.980 and venture capitalists,

00:23:03.540 they moved to the Republican Party

00:23:05.200 from the Democratic Party.

00:23:07.120 So I have this weird perspective

00:23:09.900 and insight sort of across this transition.

00:23:12.460 So I'm just going on a tangent here

00:23:14.020 about how the class system works in America.

00:23:15.320 I think many people would find this

00:23:16.440 amazing and interesting and weird,

00:23:18.700 but because to me,

00:23:19.460 I find it interesting and weird.

00:23:20.780 It's a weird thing

00:23:21.700 that like America still has this class system.

00:23:23.640 What I will note

00:23:24.220 is that it is mostly fallen apart.

00:23:25.900 So it existed when I was growing up,

00:23:28.680 but that was really the last generation

00:23:30.200 that maintained it.

00:23:31.380 And it has now transformed itself.

00:23:33.920 And the new high class faction

00:23:35.920 is the faction that J.D. Vance is LARPing,

00:23:39.600 which is a form of urban monoculture.

00:23:41.200 If you look at our video on Classically Abby

00:23:43.920 about like why her channel

00:23:45.200 never really caught on or worked out,

00:23:47.000 it's because when she says classy,

00:23:48.700 she means normative within upper class culture.

00:23:50.960 But the problem is,

00:23:51.800 is normative upper class culture

00:23:53.300 in America now is urban monoculture.

00:23:55.160 And now there's a branch of upper class culture,

00:23:58.320 which we'll get to in another video,

00:23:59.340 which I find very interesting,

00:24:00.420 which is the tech elite.

00:24:01.680 And they are not urban monoculture.

00:24:03.520 They actually have their whole own set

00:24:05.020 of value systems.

00:24:06.680 And that is where J.D. Vance is from.

00:24:08.860 And what we have seen,

00:24:09.900 and I think what it has really transformed

00:24:12.060 from the first Trump election till now,

00:24:14.600 and with the party switch that's going on

00:24:16.600 in the United States right now,

00:24:17.920 is the traditional upper class,

00:24:20.180 the old merchant class descendants, right?

00:24:23.360 They were bosom-bodied each of the Republicans

00:24:26.280 because of like deregulation and stuff like that.

00:24:28.740 Trump is now basically a union guy in many ways.

00:24:31.700 I mean, you know, pro-terrorists,

00:24:33.120 pro-everything like that.

00:24:34.100 But what's interesting is at the same time

00:24:36.960 as he has lost the ability to work

00:24:39.940 with these classic upperclassmen,

00:24:41.920 and when I said she wasn't able to sell it

00:24:42.940 because that community doesn't exist anymore,

00:24:44.840 the tech elite rose.

00:24:46.340 And they began to move incrementally

00:24:49.640 over the past years to being more Trump.

00:24:51.800 This is like Vitalik, Chamas, Teter Teal, Elon, like us.

00:24:57.660 The coded tech elite culture

00:24:59.180 is now a conservative cultural group

00:25:02.700 and aligned with the conservative value system.

00:25:06.080 This is the crypto conservatives, right?

00:25:08.140 And a lot of the people in the crypto community

00:25:09.680 have these extremist libertarian positions

00:25:11.260 and stuff like that.

00:25:12.140 We have another video

00:25:13.320 where we're going to go into this in a lot more detail.

00:25:15.660 But if you look at the old conservative party,

00:25:18.260 the conservative party before Trump,

00:25:20.160 and we'll call this GOP Inc.

00:25:23.420 It predominantly existed as an alliance

00:25:26.080 of theocratic interests

00:25:27.820 and blue blood slash big business interests.

00:25:32.460 Big business left the alliance,

00:25:34.760 and so did blue bloods,

00:25:35.720 as both groups went woke.

00:25:38.080 And that allowed for Trump to rise,

00:25:41.260 where instead of appealing primarily to theocrats

00:25:44.200 or big business,

00:25:45.700 he appealed to angry and discontent Americans.

00:25:50.000 But this was also part of why his first administration

00:25:52.400 struggled so much,

00:25:54.040 because angry, discontent Americans

00:25:56.080 don't exactly make up a good governing bureaucracy

00:25:59.460 if you wanted to enact all of Trump's policies.

00:26:02.340 During this period,

00:26:03.740 if you look back at the 90s and the 80s,

00:26:06.220 while big business and intergenerational wealth

00:26:08.280 supported Republicans,

00:26:09.980 tech entrepreneurs generally supported progressives.

00:26:13.140 Well, just as big business went away,

00:26:18.020 as Trump was changing the parties and the value systems,

00:26:21.620 and as big business and intergenerational wealth

00:26:23.960 solidly aligned themselves with the progressive party,

00:26:26.860 tech entrepreneurs began to move from being progressives

00:26:31.060 to being staunch Republicans.

00:26:33.140 And we'll have another video as to why and how this happened.

00:26:36.540 But I think J.D. Vance represents a solidification

00:26:39.680 of this transition.

00:26:41.380 But Trump's inability to properly signal that,

00:26:45.720 it seems at some point in his life,

00:26:47.140 what he decided is he was just going to decide for himself

00:26:50.440 what it meant to be and look like an upper class person.

00:26:53.640 And I think that is the core personal transformation

00:26:56.380 he went through from his first presidency to this one.

00:27:00.080 And I think at first he thought that

00:27:01.940 someday they would eventually accept him.

00:27:04.660 The old upper classes would eventually accept him of New York.

00:27:07.860 At least when he became president.

00:27:09.380 At least when he became president.

00:27:11.560 And he's realized, oh no, they'll never accept me.

00:27:15.040 And all of these people who are more interesting

00:27:17.740 and who like me for the way that I thought class worked,

00:27:21.500 i.e. for me, do represent me.

00:27:23.520 And so the Trump that we see is more authentic

00:27:26.980 than somebody trying to be their authentic self.

00:27:30.080 I think you can see a lot of people are like,

00:27:31.580 why is he so moderated now?

00:27:33.160 Why is he so calm?

00:27:34.380 Why is he looking more reasonable?

00:27:36.140 This is so calculated.

00:27:37.120 Maybe some of it's calculated,

00:27:39.480 but I think a lot of it is that he's,

00:27:40.800 fuck you guys, I'm comfortable with myself now.

00:27:42.780 And a lot of that calmness and that lack of abrasiveness

00:27:46.660 actually comes from a place of greater personal security.

00:27:50.180 And I think that in a way,

00:27:51.680 choosing JD Vance as his running mate

00:27:53.720 is the culmination of this.

00:27:55.300 So I want to read something that was on our Discord

00:27:57.980 that I found really was like, wow, like they're right.

00:28:00.660 Our Discord regularly schools us.

00:28:02.580 We're like, why don't we listen to our podcast

00:28:04.580 where we could just be on our Discord.

00:28:06.320 We should just have a podcast reading the Discord.

00:28:08.420 Yes and no.

00:28:09.260 To build a voter base,

00:28:10.620 you need to appeal to different groups

00:28:13.380 because there are only two parties.

00:28:15.420 Different groups inevitably end up grouped together.

00:28:18.400 You should differentiate between the technocratic elites

00:28:20.760 and the liberal elites.

00:28:22.280 Technocratic elites built a company.

00:28:24.440 They're smart and entrepreneurial.

00:28:26.200 They pulled themselves up by their boots.

00:28:28.240 Technocratic elites use,

00:28:29.820 and here I'll say the techno elites

00:28:32.260 because technocratic means something specific

00:28:34.340 and it's a form of bureaucratic.

00:28:36.100 I'll actually-

00:28:36.260 Just say tech elites.

00:28:37.200 Tech elites.

00:28:38.140 Tech elites used to vote alongside the liberal elites

00:28:41.780 because both of them are quote unquote elites.

00:28:43.900 But Vance is using tech elites

00:28:46.040 to side with rural Appalachia

00:28:48.240 because rural Appalachia is scrappy and entrepreneurial.

00:28:51.780 We have a quote,

00:28:53.400 pull yourself up by your boots in quote mentality

00:28:56.020 that tech elites like.

00:28:58.120 And that's true.

00:28:59.360 That is absolutely true.

00:29:00.740 He found the overlap.

00:29:02.660 One of the reasons why these two communities

00:29:04.740 align with each other.

00:29:06.020 I think it's also that the tech elites

00:29:07.540 like contrarianism.

00:29:09.400 That's another reason they really like this group.

00:29:11.100 They like things that are true

00:29:12.820 that you will be shamed for saying.

00:29:15.500 That's a sign of status within the tech elite community

00:29:17.760 because that is what leads you to be more successful

00:29:20.480 when you are a venture capitalist, for example.

00:29:23.100 Having ideas that are true that most people shame,

00:29:25.400 it's how you beat the markets.

00:29:27.080 It's how you choose the startup

00:29:28.380 that everyone else thinks of the job was a good idea.

00:29:30.560 So of course these values end up getting lauded,

00:29:34.060 which end up aligning

00:29:34.980 with this new conservative movement.

00:29:37.080 And I think that is what Trump has done here.

00:29:41.780 Now there's another thing

00:29:42.540 that I think Trump has done here

00:29:43.420 that somebody else in the Discord was saying

00:29:44.740 that I think is really true.

00:29:46.440 J.D. Johnson away represents somebody

00:29:48.580 who was part of that genuinely accepted

00:29:51.200 into elite culture

00:29:52.380 that Trump strove for in his early days.

00:29:55.960 But he turned it down.

00:29:58.500 He didn't want it.

00:29:59.740 He was the picture of the never-Trumper

00:30:01.380 because he was the picture of NPR elitism.

00:30:04.460 And as society began to change,

00:30:07.040 as that community became more and more

00:30:08.960 basically just Nazis,

00:30:10.800 i.e. they believe society should be divided into it

00:30:13.200 as no hierarchy was Jews at the bottom.

00:30:15.180 And they're like,

00:30:15.620 no, it's not Jews at the bottom,

00:30:17.160 it's Zionists at the bottom.

00:30:18.240 And I'm like,

00:30:18.540 depending on the survey you look at,

00:30:19.740 Zionists make up 95% to 92% of Jews.

00:30:22.600 So that's just semantics at that point.

00:30:25.080 I don't hate Christians,

00:30:26.060 just the ones who believe

00:30:27.180 that Jesus was the son of God.

00:30:28.780 It's pretty close to a perfect circle,

00:30:31.440 that Venn diagram there.

00:30:32.720 But anyway,

00:30:33.660 so he had that dream

00:30:38.000 that Trump originally wanted.

00:30:39.800 And he threw it away.

00:30:43.920 Now he works to denigrate that culture.

00:30:46.380 He's like,

00:30:46.500 that culture is bad.

00:30:47.560 That culture is toxic.

00:30:49.160 He converted to Catholicism.

00:30:50.820 He is,

00:30:52.100 you look at his background on the Senate floor.

00:30:54.760 He's not just trying to be a standard Republican.

00:30:57.420 He's trying to build his own moral framework.

00:30:59.260 He's great.

00:30:59.540 When you see this,

00:31:00.320 like we talked about with his policies yesterday,

00:31:02.440 how it's not along party lines

00:31:04.920 that he makes decisions.

00:31:06.840 He's cool with trust busting,

00:31:08.280 but he's also cool with building pipelines,

00:31:10.320 natural gas pipelines.

00:31:11.500 He's cool with nuclear.

00:31:12.780 He's against untethered,

00:31:16.340 unfettered immigration.

00:31:17.700 Like there's,

00:31:18.100 I like it.

00:31:18.840 I like it.

00:31:19.260 Yeah.

00:31:19.460 So what I see here

00:31:21.880 is Trump choosing to side with

00:31:25.880 and to have as his partner

00:31:27.500 somebody who represented the culture

00:31:30.060 that he wanted access to

00:31:31.540 and who turned it down

00:31:33.020 for the culture that Trump,

00:31:35.440 that actually liked Trump

00:31:36.820 and admired Trump.

00:31:37.920 And I think that represents

00:31:39.260 a psychological development

00:31:40.860 from character building, right?

00:31:42.840 Is he realized

00:31:44.080 that the best of the old culture

00:31:45.920 are now realizing

00:31:46.700 that culture is bad

00:31:47.920 and that the cultures

00:31:49.040 that he always appealed to

00:31:50.760 being this authentic

00:31:52.380 and that he chose it

00:31:53.440 identity of what he thought

00:31:54.840 elitism was

00:31:56.120 that appealed to them.

00:31:59.700 Interesting.

00:32:01.080 Yeah.

00:32:01.620 So it's not as John Stewart claims

00:32:03.300 that Donald Trump

00:32:05.040 merely selected for VP

00:32:07.380 the man who looked like

00:32:09.500 Don Trump Jr.'s actor

00:32:11.340 in a Lifetime movie.

00:32:12.320 I don't think it is at all.

00:32:16.900 I think that there's,

00:32:17.940 I don't know how much

00:32:18.660 of this is psychological,

00:32:19.780 how much of it is strategic,

00:32:20.940 but it does to me represent

00:32:23.120 a real OG Trump

00:32:24.440 would not have chosen the guy

00:32:25.800 who led his detractors.

00:32:28.420 Yeah.

00:32:29.740 As a running man.

00:32:30.940 He would have chosen the guy

00:32:32.220 who was first to jump in

00:32:33.600 and support him.

00:32:34.360 Like you were saying

00:32:35.120 to me earlier too,

00:32:36.320 Pence really represented

00:32:38.200 as Trump's first,

00:32:39.620 Mike Pence represented

00:32:40.980 as Trump's first VP pick,

00:32:43.000 GOP Inc.,

00:32:43.840 the old guard

00:32:44.680 of the Republican Party,

00:32:46.400 of conservatives

00:32:47.120 in the United States.

00:32:48.740 And so this VP pick

00:32:50.100 represents something

00:32:51.040 very different.

00:32:51.940 It represents Trump

00:32:52.840 and not just saying,

00:32:55.280 okay,

00:32:55.540 I'm going to go

00:32:57.340 the tech elite route.

00:32:58.340 I'm going to go

00:32:58.940 the more authentic route.

00:33:00.240 I'm going to go,

00:33:00.920 this is the new tone

00:33:02.020 for the Republican Party.

00:33:03.140 I'm going to call it.

00:33:04.800 But yeah,

00:33:05.380 it is going to shape

00:33:06.000 the future of conservatism

00:33:07.780 in the United States,

00:33:08.720 especially if they win.

00:33:10.240 This is what Yale said,

00:33:11.820 which was interesting

00:33:12.620 was the first Trumpian revolution

00:33:14.160 is it didn't have

00:33:16.360 any elite factions.

00:33:17.940 It was completely

00:33:19.140 the disenfranchised

00:33:20.900 who were supportive

00:33:22.720 of Trump in the early days

00:33:24.120 in his first run.

00:33:25.620 And you can't build

00:33:27.220 an entire party

00:33:28.440 off of just the disenfranchised.

00:33:30.700 And I think that this is why

00:33:32.140 his party was so ineffective

00:33:33.640 at actually operating

00:33:35.360 the White House.

00:33:35.980 They really struggled

00:33:36.780 just to staff people.

00:33:38.240 Things like people

00:33:39.560 didn't show up to meetings.

00:33:41.620 There was,

00:33:43.040 I can't remember

00:33:43.480 the title of the book,

00:33:44.280 but there were several books

00:33:45.060 about what happened

00:33:45.860 after Trump was elected.

00:33:48.020 And in many cases,

00:33:50.180 what happened

00:33:50.720 is major governmental departments

00:33:52.600 when the changeover happens,

00:33:54.540 they have these meetings,

00:33:55.500 the people get sent out

00:33:56.680 from the president's office

00:33:57.760 and they're like,

00:33:58.420 here's what's going to change.

00:33:59.420 And of course,

00:34:00.100 here you get

00:34:00.860 these large government agencies

00:34:02.820 sitting and waiting,

00:34:04.140 okay, day one,

00:34:05.680 like the people

00:34:06.360 are going to come in

00:34:06.960 and tell us how it's going to be

00:34:08.320 and no one shows up.

00:34:10.180 And I was just like,

00:34:11.080 and then the deep state

00:34:12.240 just didn't win

00:34:13.100 what it was going to do.

00:34:14.180 Just kept doing the deep state.

00:34:15.120 You need,

00:34:15.820 the thing about elites

00:34:16.900 is what often makes them elite.

00:34:19.340 There's different ways

00:34:19.900 that they can be elite.

00:34:20.480 They can be born elite,

00:34:21.540 like the progressive elite,

00:34:22.740 but at least they have

00:34:23.700 high quality education

00:34:24.980 and stuff like that.

00:34:25.900 Or they can prove their efficacy

00:34:27.700 in the economic system

00:34:29.080 by either ability

00:34:30.160 to be productive

00:34:30.900 and that's what makes them elite.

00:34:32.020 And make people money.

00:34:32.620 That's a big one.

00:34:33.700 And siding with the elites

00:34:36.120 who proved their elite status

00:34:37.840 through shotcalling

00:34:39.720 and genuinely building value

00:34:41.460 for other people,

00:34:42.460 that's a pretty smart faction

00:34:44.420 to bring over to your side.

00:34:45.940 Damn straight.

00:34:46.940 The tech elite.

00:34:47.660 That is the tech elite

00:34:48.600 and that's what makes them so useful.

00:34:50.400 Yeah.

00:34:50.740 Now we should note

00:34:51.500 that there are two groups

00:34:52.460 of the tech elite, right?

00:34:53.360 There's the old guard tech elite

00:34:55.220 who are fully urban monocultured.

00:34:57.180 These are the ones

00:34:57.820 who own the giant natural monopolies

00:34:59.740 that control our means

00:35:00.540 of communication.

00:35:01.640 These are the founders of Twitter.

00:35:03.500 These are your Bill Gates,

00:35:05.540 your Mark Zuckerberg.

00:35:07.100 They are from a different generation

00:35:08.740 and their core goal

00:35:10.140 is just to fit in

00:35:10.960 with the old elite factions.

00:35:12.600 But the new tech elite

00:35:13.940 is predominantly

00:35:15.460 of this new faction,

00:35:17.420 which is just fascinating to me.

00:35:19.480 And it's a very strategic

00:35:21.900 alliance building.

00:35:23.660 But there's another aspect

00:35:25.220 of the interesting thing

00:35:26.280 of the Trump alliance

00:35:27.620 with the tech elite

00:35:28.600 and the Appalachian tech elite alliance.

00:35:31.380 The Appalachian tech elite, yes.

00:35:33.580 What an unexpected alliance,

00:35:35.160 but it makes sense.

00:35:36.680 Yes, it's an unexpected alliance,

00:35:38.400 but when you think about it,

00:35:39.300 it makes sense.

00:35:39.960 But there's also like

00:35:40.620 the ethnic thing about it.

00:35:42.420 So one of the things

00:35:43.440 about the tech elite

00:35:44.920 is that they have a huge number

00:35:46.700 of Indians in them.

00:35:47.800 And so you're noticing

00:35:48.880 a huge number

00:35:49.820 of Indian American conservatives rising.

00:35:52.580 And I think we'll begin

00:35:53.860 to see more and more leaders

00:35:55.460 of the American movement,

00:35:57.660 American conservative movement

00:35:58.580 to be Indian Americans.

00:35:59.840 You've got your Viveks,

00:36:01.000 your Chamas,

00:36:01.860 your, or the last guy

00:36:03.440 who ran the conservative party

00:36:04.580 in the UK,

00:36:05.460 or name and post.

00:36:07.820 Or even Kamala Harris,

00:36:09.120 Indian American.

00:36:10.260 No, she's half Jamaican.

00:36:11.540 Jamaican?

00:36:12.100 I thought she was like

00:36:12.980 Yeah, she's black.

00:36:13.920 I think she's half Jamaican,

00:36:14.780 half white,

00:36:15.320 but she could be

00:36:16.120 half Jamaican, half white.

00:36:16.740 Yeah.

00:36:17.840 Harris's maternal ancestry

00:36:19.200 comes from Tamil Nadu, India.

00:36:21.920 Her parental ancestry

00:36:24.160 comes from St. Anne.

00:36:25.860 Sorry, paternal ancestry

00:36:27.160 comes from St. Anne, Jamaica.

00:36:28.240 Paternal, yeah.

00:36:28.660 Her mom was Jamaican.

00:36:29.320 Yeah, so she's Indian and Jamaican.

00:36:31.420 But I would consider

00:36:32.360 Kamala Harris has chosen

00:36:33.820 to identify as black.

00:36:36.000 She chooses whatever

00:36:37.100 helps her in the moment.

00:36:38.100 But I don't think that she's

00:36:39.360 like part of the Indian community.

00:36:41.700 No, she doesn't present herself

00:36:43.880 as even remotely Indian,

00:36:45.180 which is interesting.

00:36:46.360 But this is also something

00:36:47.280 that we're seeing.

00:36:48.200 If you look at like

00:36:49.080 our friends

00:36:50.200 who are part of this

00:36:51.700 new conservative movement,

00:36:52.860 like you can look at

00:36:53.520 Aria Babu, for example,

00:36:56.320 who I think is like

00:36:57.280 a great natalist intellectual

00:36:58.780 in the UK,

00:36:59.620 Indian immigrant.

00:37:01.240 So I think what we might see

00:37:02.340 is in the conservative

00:37:03.460 intellectual class,

00:37:05.360 more Indians

00:37:06.640 are going to be represented,

00:37:08.560 which I think is going to

00:37:09.380 piss off some thinkers,

00:37:10.480 I know,

00:37:10.960 but I personally think

00:37:12.460 it's fine.

00:37:13.420 I love this alliance

00:37:14.700 of the people

00:37:15.340 who are able

00:37:15.880 to economically compete

00:37:17.100 was the people

00:37:18.020 who are forced

00:37:18.740 to economically compete.

00:37:20.340 And then there's

00:37:20.760 this entire class

00:37:21.700 of bureaucrats

00:37:22.520 who've never really

00:37:23.500 needed to move

00:37:24.160 in their lives.

00:37:25.080 And I think that's

00:37:25.600 what represents

00:37:26.220 the urban monoculture

00:37:27.020 is they got ahead

00:37:28.580 through conformity.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:32.260 Yeah.

00:37:33.140 The nonconformists,

00:37:34.740 the rebels.

00:37:36.040 If any of David Hackett Fisher's

00:37:37.940 four groups

00:37:39.120 that he covered

00:37:41.320 in Albion Seeds

00:37:42.340 is going to

00:37:43.220 be the adoptive group

00:37:45.080 of the venture capital class

00:37:46.460 in the United States,

00:37:47.560 it would be

00:37:48.100 the Scots-Irish.

00:37:49.360 It wouldn't be

00:37:49.740 the Quakers.

00:37:50.440 It wouldn't be

00:37:50.900 the Cavaliers

00:37:51.500 and it wouldn't be

00:37:52.220 the Puritans.

00:37:53.060 Why don't you talk

00:37:53.720 about this cultural group?

00:37:54.980 Because a lot of people

00:37:55.800 don't know

00:37:56.100 what you're talking about.

00:37:57.000 Yeah.

00:37:57.440 So in Albion Seed,

00:37:59.420 David Hackett Fisher,

00:38:00.660 a historian,

00:38:01.580 describes four

00:38:02.500 basically foundational

00:38:03.840 waves of immigration

00:38:04.800 that colored

00:38:05.580 American culture

00:38:06.560 going forward.

00:38:07.820 The Puritans

00:38:08.520 who were

00:38:09.300 very conservative

00:38:10.320 religious extremists,

00:38:11.660 visionaries

00:38:12.180 who came over

00:38:13.640 and settled

00:38:14.300 in New England

00:38:15.040 they were

00:38:16.660 very hardworking,

00:38:17.880 very conscientious,

00:38:19.200 very

00:38:19.620 looking down

00:38:21.360 their nose

00:38:21.720 at everyone else

00:38:22.480 and very exclusionist.

00:38:24.300 That's not true

00:38:25.000 by the way.

00:38:26.120 That was the Quakers.

00:38:27.240 The Quakers

00:38:27.740 were the exclusionists

00:38:29.100 look down your nose.

00:38:29.920 Remember,

00:38:30.580 the Quakers

00:38:30.920 always looked down

00:38:31.840 their nose

00:38:32.380 at the backcountry people.

00:38:33.200 Malcolm,

00:38:33.600 what did the pilgrims

00:38:34.660 do to Quakers

00:38:35.440 who tried to proselytize

00:38:36.620 in their area?

00:38:37.540 Yeah,

00:38:37.740 that wasn't looking down.

00:38:38.820 That was just

00:38:39.100 get out of my community.

00:38:40.000 That was like

00:38:40.900 tarring and feathering them

00:38:42.260 and dragging them

00:38:43.020 into the woods.

00:38:43.140 That is not looking down.

00:38:45.040 Oh.

00:38:45.280 No,

00:38:46.520 it's literally

00:38:47.320 not looking down.

00:38:48.420 Like,

00:38:48.560 it's literally not.

00:38:49.980 The Quaker community,

00:38:51.480 sorry,

00:38:51.820 you're just misremembering

00:38:53.000 the book

00:38:53.360 based on modern stereotypes.

00:38:55.020 So the Quaker community

00:38:56.200 would constantly

00:38:56.960 hand-ring,

00:38:58.200 which we see

00:38:58.800 as the ancestor

00:38:59.320 of the urban monoculture,

00:39:00.560 about the backcountry

00:39:01.900 Scotch-Irish

00:39:02.680 who came in

00:39:04.300 and were very

00:39:05.680 rough and tumble.

00:39:07.140 These are the wild,

00:39:07.960 yeah,

00:39:08.120 so to jump ahead,

00:39:09.760 the Scots-Irish

00:39:10.680 were like

00:39:11.160 the wild rebels

00:39:12.900 and cast-offs

00:39:14.240 of Ireland

00:39:15.120 and Scotland

00:39:16.460 where there were

00:39:17.440 like massive border skirmishes

00:39:19.120 all the time.

00:39:19.900 It's much more

00:39:20.680 rural and tribal

00:39:22.560 and less formal

00:39:23.580 and one could argue

00:39:24.920 less civilized

00:39:25.940 part of the country.

00:39:27.760 Quakers would debate

00:39:28.700 among themselves

00:39:29.340 what was worse,

00:39:30.380 the savage Indians

00:39:31.400 who would come in

00:39:32.040 and attack and kill them

00:39:33.120 or the Scots-Irish.

00:39:34.540 They were like

00:39:35.020 all terrifying

00:39:35.880 and it was a group

00:39:38.060 also that was

00:39:38.740 even the way

00:39:39.500 that they dressed

00:39:40.160 freaked out the Quakers

00:39:41.200 who were very prudish.

00:39:43.080 They wore higher skirts,

00:39:44.240 the women did.

00:39:45.020 They were very informal

00:39:46.380 and the women were tough

00:39:48.240 and they one moment

00:39:49.700 would slaughter a cow

00:39:50.720 and then come in

00:39:51.280 and serve tea.

00:39:52.040 These are very tough people

00:39:53.500 which of course

00:39:55.040 also stand in contrast

00:39:56.220 to the Cavaliers.

00:39:58.900 These were like

00:39:59.440 the second,

00:40:00.420 third sons

00:40:01.060 of wealthy lords

00:40:02.380 in the UK

00:40:03.040 who came to the United States

00:40:04.800 as immigrants

00:40:05.400 working very closely

00:40:06.440 with the crown

00:40:07.060 to basically make

00:40:08.020 a lot of money,

00:40:08.600 have a plantation,

00:40:10.040 maintain the social class system

00:40:11.460 that they were accustomed to

00:40:12.800 in the United Kingdom

00:40:14.160 and England at the time.

00:40:15.560 When you're looking

00:40:15.980 at these different groups

00:40:16.960 you have these

00:40:17.580 very conformist Quakers

00:40:18.900 who are very

00:40:20.880 also like

00:40:21.660 religiously extreme

00:40:22.520 but they're in their own way.

00:40:23.620 You've got the Puritans

00:40:24.480 who are also religious extremists

00:40:26.000 and also conformist

00:40:27.600 within their own culture

00:40:29.280 and then you have

00:40:29.700 these crazy renegades.

00:40:30.800 Of course the crazy renegades

00:40:31.980 are going to be the ones

00:40:32.740 most likely

00:40:33.460 to ally culturally

00:40:35.040 with the crazy renegades

00:40:36.860 of venture capital

00:40:37.780 of startups

00:40:38.400 of going out

00:40:39.320 and breaking things

00:40:40.140 and doing things

00:40:40.880 and ask for forgiveness

00:40:42.420 not permission

00:40:43.360 move fast

00:40:43.900 and break things

00:40:44.520 that is

00:40:44.840 these are the mottos

00:40:45.900 of Silicon Valley.

00:40:47.780 Think about even

00:40:48.540 the stories of Elon

00:40:49.440 like fighting

00:40:50.140 in the halls

00:40:50.760 of his company

00:40:51.300 with his brother.

00:40:52.240 Oh my gosh

00:40:52.840 yeah

00:40:53.100 when you read

00:40:53.580 his latest biography

00:40:54.640 sorry

00:40:55.260 biography

00:40:55.920 when you read

00:40:56.720 his latest

00:40:57.120 latest biography

00:40:58.340 by Walter Isaacson

00:40:59.560 he describes

00:41:00.520 how he would

00:41:01.820 sometimes just wrestle

00:41:03.240 with his brother

00:41:04.180 Kimball

00:41:04.580 in their office

00:41:05.540 their early startup offices

00:41:06.720 as employees

00:41:07.660 looked on

00:41:08.400 with mixed

00:41:09.340 probably horror

00:41:10.140 and amusement.

00:41:11.260 At one point

00:41:11.600 I think Kimball

00:41:12.080 was even hospitalized

00:41:13.240 Yeah

00:41:14.500 it wasn't like

00:41:15.500 actual fighting

00:41:16.300 but that's very much

00:41:17.440 backcountry

00:41:17.900 Scotch-Irish

00:41:18.440 Yeah

00:41:18.940 to correct

00:41:19.600 the misinterpretation

00:41:21.720 was important to correct

00:41:22.580 because it is something

00:41:23.220 that the culture believes

00:41:24.380 but just isn't true.

00:41:25.880 the Quakers

00:41:26.860 absolutely

00:41:27.800 looked down upon

00:41:28.720 and hated

00:41:29.240 the Scotch-Irish

00:41:30.560 immigrants.

00:41:30.960 Let's be honest

00:41:31.780 just to

00:41:32.600 not that I'm going to

00:41:33.960 split hairs

00:41:34.520 when you're here

00:41:35.060 but every one

00:41:35.840 of these four cultures

00:41:36.620 looked down upon

00:41:37.200 the others.

00:41:37.680 No they didn't

00:41:38.220 that's the exact

00:41:39.280 point I'm making.

00:41:40.340 No the Scotch-Irish

00:41:41.180 absolutely looked down

00:41:42.340 upon the Quakers

00:41:43.280 and raided them

00:41:43.960 sometimes

00:41:44.440 and of course

00:41:45.260 the Cavaliers

00:41:45.780 are like

00:41:46.060 who are all these

00:41:46.660 savages.

00:41:47.380 What you're missing

00:41:48.140 and the point I'm making

00:41:49.340 is that the Puritans

00:41:50.780 and the Scotch-Irish

00:41:52.140 actually got along

00:41:54.280 and created

00:41:55.280 an intermixed culture

00:41:56.600 which is what

00:41:57.040 my family comes from.

00:41:58.640 So if you look at

00:41:59.740 why they got along

00:42:01.100 and why they

00:42:01.980 because it's even

00:42:03.100 mentioned in the book

00:42:03.980 like I'm very surprised

00:42:04.960 you don't remember this.

00:42:06.780 You were like

00:42:07.420 the Puritans

00:42:09.640 tarred and feathered

00:42:10.480 the Quakers

00:42:10.900 who would come

00:42:11.380 to their communities

00:42:12.020 and preach.

00:42:12.900 And it's like

00:42:13.140 yes of course they did.

00:42:14.440 I would tar and feather

00:42:15.380 a woke person

00:42:16.240 who came to my community

00:42:17.180 and preach too.

00:42:18.100 Get the f*** out.

00:42:19.460 But they got along

00:42:21.060 very well

00:42:22.320 with the Scotch-Irish

00:42:24.320 communities

00:42:24.940 which is where

00:42:26.140 the anti-slavery

00:42:27.560 experience

00:42:28.100 of the Puritan communities

00:42:29.200 came from

00:42:29.760 like the Calvinist communities.

00:42:31.260 This is where

00:42:31.860 John Brown came from

00:42:33.200 or the Free State

00:42:34.080 of Jones movement

00:42:34.900 or many of these others

00:42:36.260 and you would be like

00:42:37.000 why would these two

00:42:38.120 communities get along

00:42:39.700 because they were both

00:42:40.640 very

00:42:41.060 the Puritans

00:42:41.860 were very okay

00:42:42.780 with speak your mind

00:42:44.080 mindset

00:42:44.880 which is what

00:42:45.920 the Scotch-Irish

00:42:46.800 were known for.

00:42:47.500 They were very much

00:42:48.040 just say whatever

00:42:48.800 they believe.

00:42:49.760 They were both

00:42:50.260 largely Calvinist

00:42:52.080 as well

00:42:52.600 just different ways.

00:42:53.400 They were not prude

00:42:54.080 like the Quakers were.

00:42:55.340 The Quakers were

00:42:55.980 incredibly prude

00:42:56.720 about sexuality

00:42:57.380 and they thought

00:42:58.040 the Scotch-Irish

00:42:58.820 were just like

00:42:59.420 these lewd

00:43:00.240 like they would

00:43:00.820 dress down

00:43:01.300 they would just

00:43:01.800 dress in whatever

00:43:02.360 was useful at the time.

00:43:03.460 They didn't really

00:43:03.840 care about sexuality

00:43:04.820 one way or the other.

00:43:05.920 It was a tool

00:43:06.540 and the Puritans

00:43:07.640 were also known

00:43:08.260 for engaging

00:43:08.760 in sexuality more

00:43:09.660 and they were like

00:43:10.160 you're of a different

00:43:10.780 cultural group.

00:43:11.500 They very much

00:43:11.880 had this mindset

00:43:12.400 you're not saved

00:43:13.160 but I like that

00:43:14.480 you speak your mind

00:43:15.280 and you have

00:43:15.660 the strong sense

00:43:16.340 and whatever

00:43:16.700 and you're not telling

00:43:17.420 me how to live

00:43:18.080 my life.

00:43:18.560 And that was

00:43:19.420 where the Puritans

00:43:20.120 had a hard line

00:43:21.060 is other cultural

00:43:22.200 groups coming in

00:43:22.820 and telling them

00:43:23.460 how to live their life.

00:43:24.360 They were like

00:43:24.680 absolutely not

00:43:25.600 you guys are wrong.

00:43:26.920 But then the other

00:43:27.480 thing is both

00:43:28.300 the Scotch-Irish

00:43:29.160 and the Puritans

00:43:30.500 were morally

00:43:31.460 uncompromising

00:43:32.900 in a trusus.

00:43:34.600 So the Quakers

00:43:35.360 had this sort of

00:43:36.200 like social signaling

00:43:37.220 moral hierarchy

00:43:38.040 but they were actually

00:43:39.220 morally compromising

00:43:40.560 in the extreme.

00:43:41.460 They were theologically

00:43:42.300 against slaves

00:43:43.040 but they owned slaves

00:43:43.840 at higher rates

00:43:44.560 than any of the other groups.

00:43:45.980 So you can look

00:43:46.660 at wills of the period

00:43:47.880 and we have an episode

00:43:48.540 where we talk about this

00:43:49.240 but it was like

00:43:49.720 43% of Quakers

00:43:51.840 owned slaves

00:43:52.500 which was higher

00:43:53.380 than even the height

00:43:54.140 of the South.

00:43:54.980 They were very Amish.

00:43:56.220 You have quotes

00:43:56.620 from the period

00:43:57.060 of Amish thinking

00:43:57.780 that slavery

00:43:58.300 was a Quaker institution

00:43:59.560 because they were like

00:43:59.980 the Puritans

00:44:00.460 don't do it that much

00:44:01.220 and we don't do it

00:44:02.340 so it's a Quaker thing, right?

00:44:04.440 So they controlled

00:44:06.060 the education system

00:44:06.760 but they created

00:44:07.480 this like lie of history, right?

00:44:09.380 That it was the Puritans

00:44:10.340 who did all these things

00:44:11.040 and not them.

00:44:11.500 No, it was them.

00:44:12.500 But the Puritans

00:44:13.220 were generally

00:44:13.960 fairly against slavery

00:44:15.560 and they had this

00:44:17.240 like moral extremist

00:44:18.580 position

00:44:19.100 and the backcountry

00:44:21.180 people were very okay

00:44:22.000 with moral extremist positions.

00:44:23.260 This is what's right.

00:44:24.020 This is what's wrong.

00:44:24.860 This is why it's right.

00:44:25.800 This is why it's wrong

00:44:26.680 instead of what

00:44:27.760 the Quakers had

00:44:28.520 which was these

00:44:29.120 deontological

00:44:29.840 like virtue signaling

00:44:31.020 value positions.

00:44:32.720 And so it allowed

00:44:33.360 the two communities

00:44:34.080 to merge very easily

00:44:35.720 and I would say

00:44:36.660 that almost entirely

00:44:38.060 the Puritan community

00:44:39.700 that survived

00:44:40.620 that ended up

00:44:41.380 having high fertility rates

00:44:42.780 ended up completely

00:44:44.500 merging with the

00:44:46.080 Scots-Irish tradition.

00:44:47.720 But the Scots-Irish tradition

00:44:49.620 there is a branch

00:44:50.700 that is just

00:44:51.400 Scots-Irish

00:44:52.060 so that's left

00:44:52.640 in the United States

00:44:53.340 which is where like

00:44:54.300 country music

00:44:55.000 and hillbilly culture

00:44:55.860 comes from.

00:44:56.680 But there is

00:44:57.800 a different branch

00:44:58.780 which is represented

00:44:59.920 a lot in Texas

00:45:01.200 for example

00:45:01.880 where my family's from

00:45:03.400 which was the merger

00:45:04.740 of the Puritan

00:45:05.380 and Scots-Irish traditions.

00:45:07.240 Yeah, that checks out.

00:45:08.180 So let's bring this

00:45:08.720 back to JD Bands

00:45:09.520 as we wrap up.

00:45:10.680 For people watching then

00:45:11.780 I could see them being

00:45:13.040 okay, so what?

00:45:13.960 Is he urban monoculture?

00:45:16.220 Is he tech bro?

00:45:17.380 Is he hillbilly?

00:45:18.520 What can I actually

00:45:19.400 expect from him?

00:45:20.300 What can I model him?

00:45:21.220 You guys are saying

00:45:22.000 he is authentic.

00:45:23.500 You're saying he's trustworthy

00:45:24.360 but what the hell

00:45:25.520 is he now?

00:45:26.280 I'm so confused.

00:45:27.300 What would you say to that?

00:45:28.640 I'd say he is

00:45:29.560 who he has chosen

00:45:30.540 to become.

00:45:32.060 Who he has chosen

00:45:32.940 to become.

00:45:33.500 And you can say

00:45:33.940 why did he choose

00:45:34.640 to become?

00:45:35.180 Even if you're like

00:45:36.020 okay, but he only

00:45:37.580 chose to become

00:45:38.660 that thing

00:45:39.280 because it helped

00:45:40.120 him politically.

00:45:40.840 He became urban

00:45:41.560 monoculture

00:45:41.960 because it helped

00:45:42.440 him make money

00:45:42.920 and move up.

00:45:43.660 He became what he is

00:45:44.520 now because it helped

00:45:45.240 him win the love

00:45:46.000 of the conservative

00:45:46.520 party.

00:45:47.260 I want to say

00:45:47.680 even if that's true

00:45:49.800 if he acts out of line

00:45:51.440 with this new identity

00:45:52.380 he will lose the power

00:45:53.880 it has given him.

00:45:54.900 If he is really

00:45:55.900 that mercenary

00:45:56.900 then it's that line

00:45:58.340 from Pirates of the Caribbean.

00:45:59.660 A dishonest man

00:46:00.420 you can always trust

00:46:01.320 to be dishonest.

00:46:02.640 It's the honest ones

00:46:03.780 you want to watch out for

00:46:04.960 because you can never

00:46:06.220 predict

00:46:06.800 they're going to do

00:46:08.040 something incredibly

00:46:09.240 stupid.

00:46:14.920 Let's see if I can

00:46:15.620 push it here.

00:46:16.360 You can always trust

00:46:17.300 a dishonest man

00:46:18.300 to be dishonest

00:46:19.960 or really what he

00:46:21.380 means by it is

00:46:21.900 do us in his best

00:46:22.580 interest so he's

00:46:23.300 very trustworthy.

00:46:24.220 A trustworthy man

00:46:25.160 that's a man who

00:46:25.940 might do something

00:46:26.620 stupid.

00:46:27.520 That's good.

00:46:28.420 And so either

00:46:29.620 you can say he's

00:46:30.720 a trustworthy man

00:46:31.520 and he is honestly

00:46:32.200 signaling his value

00:46:32.960 system or he's

00:46:33.460 a dishonest man

00:46:34.320 and now this value

00:46:35.440 system is what

00:46:36.020 has allowed him

00:46:36.600 to achieve power

00:46:37.460 and fame and so

00:46:38.240 he will continue

00:46:38.800 to do what's in

00:46:39.400 line with it.

00:46:40.360 So whatever it is

00:46:42.960 when you're

00:46:43.320 Trump is definitely

00:46:44.220 Captain Jacking it

00:46:45.340 like that and it's

00:46:46.200 so easy to know

00:46:47.100 what he's going to do.

00:46:48.080 Yeah.

00:46:48.460 And that's I think

00:46:48.980 that's why we like him.

00:46:49.980 We like him for the

00:46:50.720 same reason we like

00:46:51.640 Captain Jack Sparrow.

00:46:52.620 You know what I mean?

00:46:55.920 He actually like that

00:46:57.360 scene in Pirates of the

00:46:58.240 Caribbean.

00:47:04.320 Where his little

00:47:15.420 ship is sinking and

00:47:16.580 he steps off onto

00:47:17.420 the pier.

00:47:18.020 That is Trump

00:47:18.800 walking into the

00:47:19.580 presidency.

00:47:20.520 His entire like

00:47:21.540 immediate empire is

00:47:22.600 burning to the ground

00:47:23.600 and he's just like

00:47:24.320 at the progressives

00:47:26.260 it's always like you

00:47:27.560 are without a doubt

00:47:28.640 the worst politician

00:47:30.300 I have ever heard

00:47:31.480 of.

00:47:32.540 You have heard of

00:47:33.560 me.

00:47:33.800 But you have

00:47:34.620 heard of me.

00:47:35.880 You are without

00:47:36.700 doubt the worst

00:47:37.680 pirate I've ever

00:47:38.400 heard of.

00:47:39.820 But you have

00:47:40.660 heard of me.

00:47:43.140 That's got to be

00:47:43.980 the best pirate

00:47:44.640 I've ever seen.

00:47:46.920 So it would seem.

00:47:48.680 And that's the

00:47:49.340 vitalistic framework.

00:47:51.600 Is not the

00:47:52.080 titan king the

00:47:52.820 same way.

00:47:53.480 Yes.

00:47:53.900 You are without a

00:47:54.720 doubt the most

00:47:56.280 the worst animal

00:47:57.640 conservationist I've

00:47:58.780 ever heard of.

00:47:59.580 And he'd be like

00:48:00.020 well but you have

00:48:01.580 heard of me.

00:48:02.700 And I think that's

00:48:03.300 very much like us

00:48:04.100 like people are

00:48:04.640 like oh my god

00:48:05.380 you guys you're

00:48:05.980 always being

00:48:06.620 attacked everybody

00:48:07.420 thinks you're crazy

00:48:08.460 and we're like

00:48:09.440 I was thinking

00:48:10.960 like if we end up

00:48:11.800 getting one of our

00:48:12.300 shows approved we

00:48:13.400 should do a cover

00:48:14.060 of if you're ever

00:48:14.780 going to survive

00:48:15.340 you got to get a

00:48:15.960 little crazy song.

00:48:30.640 Because that is the

00:48:32.300 truth of the world

00:48:33.260 we live in now.

00:48:34.300 The groups that

00:48:34.980 survive are the

00:48:35.700 groups that are

00:48:36.120 willing to think for

00:48:37.060 themselves and I also

00:48:37.840 like that we live in a

00:48:38.840 period where that is

00:48:39.580 becoming culturally

00:48:40.460 lauded among the

00:48:42.200 conservative faction of

00:48:43.240 our society and the

00:48:44.040 old pearl clutching

00:48:45.400 you must stay with

00:48:46.680 in our value set

00:48:47.700 like my family being

00:48:48.460 called the Adams

00:48:48.960 family growing up in

00:48:50.000 the political

00:48:50.820 environment which was

00:48:51.860 like an elite

00:48:52.520 conservative culture

00:48:53.240 they were like oh

00:48:54.740 they're weird they do

00:48:56.400 their own thing like

00:48:57.340 how dare they and

00:48:58.780 that is not that is

00:49:00.480 not the elite culture

00:49:01.480 of today and so it

00:49:02.480 is cool that in a way

00:49:03.660 we've been able to

00:49:04.320 find ourselves back

00:49:05.160 into the good graces

00:49:06.040 of an elite cultural

00:49:07.800 faction despite largely

00:49:10.080 spurning that in my

00:49:11.320 childhood because the

00:49:13.160 faction that I

00:49:13.760 spurned ended up

00:49:14.580 crashing burning and

00:49:16.540 disappearing it's the

00:49:17.720 faction that Abby

00:49:19.120 classically Abby you

00:49:20.200 know Ben's sister keeps

00:49:21.280 trying to appeal to

00:49:22.160 yeah God yeah you

00:49:26.000 really you really did

00:49:28.220 come from Scots

00:49:28.820 Irish I was just

00:49:29.420 thinking about like

00:49:30.060 stories about things

00:49:30.760 that your mom would

00:49:31.280 do when you were a

00:49:32.380 kid and she totally

00:49:33.460 oh it would be your

00:49:36.040 birthday party or

00:49:36.880 something when you'd

00:49:37.780 be like oh I want to

00:49:38.660 go do this and then

00:49:39.800 you'd run off and the

00:49:40.660 other kids are like

00:49:41.140 I don't want to do

00:49:41.960 that and your mom

00:49:42.560 like kneels down to

00:49:43.500 them just like you

00:49:44.140 little shit you're

00:49:45.140 gonna do it and

00:49:45.760 you're gonna look

00:49:46.200 happy and like little

00:49:47.580 shit that's that

00:49:48.240 literally came from

00:49:49.440 Scots Irish culture

00:49:50.700 note here people may

00:49:52.740 be surprised because

00:49:53.480 they heard earlier

00:49:54.200 that my family was

00:49:54.960 quite a blue blood

00:49:55.740 family like

00:49:56.260 intergenerational wealth

00:49:57.240 when I was growing

00:49:58.400 up and they may be

00:49:59.020 like well that

00:49:59.520 precludes you from

00:50:00.460 coming from the

00:50:01.020 hillbilly culture and

00:50:01.860 it's like not really I

00:50:02.960 mean you can come from

00:50:03.840 the Scots Irish

00:50:04.440 culture and then end

00:50:05.740 up making

00:50:06.180 intergenerational wealth

00:50:07.320 and moving into the

00:50:08.340 center of a major

00:50:09.020 city and becoming an

00:50:09.960 important political

00:50:10.700 family there without

00:50:11.920 completely abandoning

00:50:13.360 all of your cultural

00:50:14.060 traditions and I should

00:50:15.460 also note that my mom

00:50:16.840 married into the blue

00:50:18.460 blooded family she did

00:50:19.560 not grow up in a family

00:50:20.900 like that so she

00:50:22.120 maintained a much

00:50:23.080 purer version of this

00:50:24.560 culture as you'll hear

00:50:25.420 in some of these stories

00:50:26.320 yeah oh yeah she took

00:50:28.740 it she took it with one

00:50:29.620 of my friends that said

00:50:30.240 she goes you're here to

00:50:31.240 make my son happy today

00:50:32.600 so you go fucking do

00:50:33.840 what he says he wants

00:50:34.760 to do I love that my

00:50:36.720 favorite thing that she

00:50:37.740 did that's very much of

00:50:38.760 this culture is I came

00:50:40.140 home from school one

00:50:40.960 day and the teachers

00:50:41.660 came to them and told

00:50:42.460 them that I had snitched

00:50:43.440 on another kid and how

00:50:44.960 good I was for doing

00:50:45.920 that and she took me

00:50:46.720 aside and she goes you

00:50:47.800 little shit I was like

00:50:48.980 but they were being

00:50:49.700 they were like picking

00:50:50.640 on another kid she

00:50:51.280 goes that's what your

00:50:51.840 fists are for and I

00:50:53.120 was like I'll get

00:50:54.520 detention and she's

00:50:55.380 like I don't fucking

00:50:56.280 care be a man um

00:50:58.300 seven yeah she's like

00:51:01.020 don't go to the

00:51:01.700 authority handle this

00:51:02.800 yourself that's how

00:51:04.180 morality is enforced

00:51:05.560 or another time

00:51:06.140 respect I got in

00:51:07.820 trouble with the

00:51:08.260 teachers at my

00:51:08.820 school and I go to

00:51:10.200 my mom and I was

00:51:10.740 like I just was doing

00:51:12.040 what I thought was

00:51:12.720 right and she heard

00:51:14.020 what I had done and

00:51:14.520 she goes oh yeah I'm

00:51:16.300 gonna let you in on a

00:51:17.060 secret to you being a

00:51:19.200 kid teachers are like

00:51:21.340 your authority they're

00:51:22.840 the height of what

00:51:23.880 sets the culture in

00:51:24.620 your community I don't

00:51:25.120 know how she says

00:51:25.620 exactly but she's like

00:51:27.040 to adults teachers are

00:51:29.020 losers because they

00:51:30.380 are they are they're

00:51:31.960 making minimum wage

00:51:33.360 then I don't know if

00:51:34.040 they actually were but

00:51:35.340 she goes and nobody

00:51:36.320 respects it so you

00:51:38.480 shouldn't respect them

00:51:39.600 if you listen to their

00:51:41.260 advice you're gonna end

00:51:42.200 up just like them um

00:51:43.960 so she goes so you do

00:51:45.560 what you think is right

00:51:46.820 and if you get punished

00:51:48.060 for it so be it deal

00:51:50.300 with that as well and I

00:51:51.500 was like okay that that

00:51:53.140 is why I kept getting

00:51:53.760 kicked out of schools uh

00:51:55.020 that is also part of my

00:51:55.980 you know um because my

00:51:58.180 mom did not grow up in

00:51:59.460 a wealthy culture she

00:52:00.260 married into one of

00:52:01.120 those families and so I

00:52:02.480 think it was her raising

00:52:03.520 of me um to be so

00:52:06.500 annoyed where they

00:52:08.100 would like kowtow or

00:52:09.880 bend the moral systems

00:52:11.520 to fit what was

00:52:12.960 socially normative and

00:52:14.220 I was like but no

00:52:15.800 like it's wrong it's

00:52:17.980 wrong and I need to

00:52:19.120 say it's wrong because

00:52:20.060 I know it's wrong and

00:52:21.120 it would be immoral of

00:52:22.340 me not to do that by

00:52:23.840 the way people are

00:52:24.300 wondering just like how

00:52:25.360 white trash her family

00:52:26.320 is her name was

00:52:27.820 Winnell she was the

00:52:29.280 first fan of the show

00:52:30.000 but she has died since

00:52:30.960 since this show

00:52:31.780 started so she'd

00:52:32.420 watch it every day

00:52:33.020 early and she

00:52:33.520 encouraged me to keep

00:52:34.160 doing it but um her

00:52:35.660 name was Winnell her

00:52:36.820 name was Winnell because

00:52:37.800 her parents decide

00:52:39.080 between the names

00:52:40.060 Winnie and Nell um

00:52:42.340 and I was like that

00:52:43.200 was another element of

00:52:44.200 the scots-irish culture

00:52:45.020 was insane names often

00:52:46.680 portmanteaus too yeah

00:52:47.920 so it's very much a um

00:52:49.540 uh a jackie bob or

00:52:51.740 like uh it's very common

00:52:53.560 in this culture to have

00:52:54.400 double barrel names

00:52:55.180 jim bob mary sue like

00:52:56.980 jim bob mary sue she

00:52:58.420 was Winnie and Nell

00:52:59.180 she in the end she

00:53:00.880 was the classiest

00:53:01.960 woman I was she knew

00:53:04.600 how to coach and I

00:53:05.800 actually think that's

00:53:06.560 where a lot of her

00:53:07.280 life came from is a

00:53:09.580 desire upper class

00:53:11.360 culture instead of

00:53:12.920 being able to be who

00:53:14.340 she was yeah that was

00:53:16.380 the constant uh yeah

00:53:19.180 no she's in the

00:53:20.220 context of this

00:53:20.940 conversation that was

00:53:22.340 this constant pressure

00:53:23.280 is that we always loved

00:53:24.820 the the scots-irish

00:53:26.260 Winnell and then it

00:53:27.260 was like the singing

00:53:27.880 frog of Warner Brothers

00:53:29.200 phenomenon where we'd

00:53:30.280 like present her to

00:53:31.400 people look it's it's

00:53:32.460 my mom it's the woman

00:53:33.280 we keep telling you

00:53:34.020 about like we'd share

00:53:34.880 her texts that she'd

00:53:35.940 send to us that were

00:53:36.860 like super based with

00:53:38.120 our friends and then

00:53:39.300 she'd hang out with

00:53:40.020 our friends and just

00:53:40.820 be nothing but this

00:53:41.500 sophisticated classy

00:53:42.720 witty woman and we'd

00:53:43.580 be like okay that's

00:53:44.320 fine but that's not

00:53:46.220 what we like that's

00:53:47.100 not what anyone who

00:53:47.880 really knows but it

00:53:49.520 was because she

00:53:50.560 unlike Trump was able

00:53:51.840 to succeed where Trump

00:53:52.880 wasn't she was accepted

00:53:54.380 into extreme upper

00:53:55.820 class culture multiple

00:53:56.820 times absolutely my

00:53:57.920 dad and then the guy

00:53:58.600 who she remarried yeah

00:53:59.740 she was in like in

00:54:00.740 Naples Florida which

00:54:01.700 we don't know it's

00:54:02.260 like this it's where a

00:54:03.480 lot of the Midwestern

00:54:04.500 business elite move go

00:54:05.920 to winter for the

00:54:06.960 season she was

00:54:07.660 considered a very

00:54:09.360 influential person

00:54:10.440 among the wealthy

00:54:11.500 society there because

00:54:12.500 she was also classy

00:54:13.600 but that's not who

00:54:14.420 she was was you know

00:54:16.700 a heavy drinking and

00:54:17.940 she was a very heavy

00:54:19.080 drinking person she'd

00:54:20.240 always say well you

00:54:21.360 know I can't I can't

00:54:22.540 talk with you until

00:54:23.140 I've had my morning

00:54:23.740 constitutional

00:54:24.380 instead of a morning

00:54:28.680 espresso anyway Jen

00:54:31.940 with a massive ice cube

00:54:33.480 and fresh squeezed

00:54:35.380 lime juice yeah that

00:54:36.420 was what she always

00:54:37.040 wanted because she

00:54:37.420 needed to say skinny

00:54:38.200 and attractive but she

00:54:39.560 couldn't risk

00:54:40.340 let me get classy

00:54:41.200 here's to authenticity

00:54:47.160 cosplaying culture and a

00:54:49.740 very interesting election

00:54:50.920 season in America

00:54:51.720 ahead which will set

00:54:53.040 the tone of our

00:54:53.800 culture for the next

00:54:54.800 four years too I am

00:54:56.260 becoming increasingly

00:54:57.100 confident that

00:54:57.840 Republicans are gonna

00:54:58.600 win now the

00:54:59.720 assassination of Tim

00:55:00.760 apparently didn't

00:55:01.520 change things because

00:55:02.480 half of society is run

00:55:03.560 by a cult I mean 30%

00:55:05.260 Trump derangement

00:55:06.300 syndrome is real they

00:55:07.580 are going to vote for

00:55:09.060 whatever is not Trump

00:55:10.280 I how many times do I

00:55:11.580 have to say this is

00:55:12.280 changes nothing I think

00:55:14.980 this I think this

00:55:16.460 election cycle may break

00:55:17.800 Trump derangement

00:55:18.380 Trump derangement

00:55:20.380 syndrome for a lot of

00:55:21.220 people and I think

00:55:22.260 JD Vance was built

00:55:24.840 like a machine to do

00:55:26.560 that you are so sweet

00:55:30.380 you are so truly

00:55:31.540 pronatalist that's a

00:55:32.560 cute baby she's got the

00:55:34.660 wiggles do I need to go

00:55:36.480 pick up the other

00:55:37.300 kid it is time mac and

00:55:39.940 cheese night double

00:55:41.280 cheese I was gonna have

00:55:42.700 mac and cheese and

00:55:43.960 tomato soup I think they

00:55:45.760 go really well together

00:55:46.600 the tomato soup if I

00:55:47.940 don't open it will be

00:55:48.680 good until August so

00:55:50.080 unless you feel like

00:55:51.020 eating more of it

00:55:51.620 later you can

00:55:52.780 mac and cheese with

00:55:55.300 pulled pork on top

00:55:56.220 would be so good I

00:55:57.400 don't know why oh

00:55:58.100 sorry pulled slow

00:55:59.040 cooker five day what

00:56:01.720 brisket that's an

00:56:03.460 interesting idea but

00:56:04.500 today I'm interested in

00:56:05.360 something a little

00:56:05.880 simpler from my belly

00:56:06.960 your belly's feeling a

00:56:08.760 little delicate and

00:56:09.880 you guys should know

00:56:10.740 Simone is in extreme

00:56:11.780 searing pain right now

00:56:13.060 and she has been this

00:56:13.880 entire episode she is

00:56:15.560 just tanking through

00:56:16.360 it because one of

00:56:17.020 her goals this year is

00:56:18.000 to not show any

00:56:19.600 negative emotional

00:56:20.800 states and I've

00:56:22.000 totally failed at that

00:56:22.900 for multiple occasions

00:56:23.980 so far this year so I

00:56:25.000 really gotta make it up

00:56:26.040 ah I don't think so I

00:56:28.640 think you've done an

00:56:29.240 amazing job you are a

00:56:30.420 picture of stoicism which

00:56:32.200 is something I deeply

00:56:33.120 appreciate you know show

00:56:34.180 your emotions but then

00:56:35.200 keep with that Puritan

00:56:36.040 stoicism okay damn

00:56:37.980 straight Malcolm I love

00:56:39.340 you I love you too

00:56:40.900 not good okay I was

00:56:47.340 terrified about having

00:56:48.280 to go get the kids in

00:56:48.940 that rain it should

00:56:50.300 let up it's gonna come

00:56:51.320 back this evening but I

00:56:53.420 love a good storm

00:56:54.540 especially now that soon

00:56:56.080 we'll have power banks

00:56:57.080 yay

00:56:57.580 welcome

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Based Camp - July 19, 2024

The Authenticity of Fraud： The Yale Hillbilly + The Classless Aristocrat

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