Based Camp - May 14, 2024


The Bear vs. Man Meme is a Big Deal


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Would you rather question a random man or a bear? What kind of bear would you choose? What would you do if you were stuck in the woods with a bear or a stranger? Simone and Simone discuss this and more in this episode of the podcast.

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00:00:00.000 Question, what kind of bear is best? 0.99
00:00:04.360 That's a ridiculous question. 0.99
00:00:05.840 False. Black bear. 0.99
00:00:07.380 This is why it's so important that I elevate this,
00:00:10.880 and I'm also elevate your reaction to this.
00:00:13.160 Okay.
00:00:13.580 Because it's a reaction that many people will have
00:00:15.600 that shows how dangerous this has gotten.
00:00:17.820 If you lived in a society, like if in America today,
00:00:21.640 people were responding the same way to a question about Jews or black people,
00:00:26.140 would you be like, holy, we have a big problem in this country
00:00:30.560 and we need to do something about it immediately?
00:00:33.160 Yeah, you would be raising every alarm bell you could raise.
00:00:36.900 This is true.
00:00:37.520 Fact, bears eat beets.
00:00:40.200 Bears beats Battlestar Galactica.
00:00:43.780 Bears do not... 0.98
00:00:45.300 What is going on?
00:00:46.740 Would you like to know more?
00:00:48.480 You look good.
00:00:50.780 Are you ready to go?
00:00:52.160 I'm ready to go.
00:00:53.220 Hello, Simone. 0.69
00:00:54.680 I am so excited to be chatting with you again today.
00:00:57.880 There has been a meme, and whenever we try to do timely episodes,
00:01:00.800 we are always going to be late to the subject
00:01:03.720 because that's just not how we produce our videos.
00:01:06.700 But the bear meme.
00:01:09.020 First, I'll ask you the question.
00:01:12.640 Would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a random man?
00:01:19.380 Yeah, as long as it's a genuinely random man, obviously a man.
00:01:24.220 Okay, so a lot of women, and I've seen this done on shows and stuff like that. 1.00
00:01:29.060 It seems to be like 50% of women or more, maybe within these more progressive environments
00:01:34.320 like college campuses, you're getting like 70% to 80% of women are saying a bear. 1.00
00:01:39.160 And the standard...
00:01:40.680 Have they not been like camping ever?
00:01:44.120 Okay, so that's not the issue.
00:01:45.840 What I'll say is the standard mind-dead take on this is are they either not aware of how dangerous bears are 0.97
00:01:54.980 or the standard take on this is, oh, women these days, aren't they silly and hasn't feminism gone an extreme degree? 1.00
00:02:04.980 And if we weren't based camp, if we were some basic podcast, that's the take we'd be having. 0.90
00:02:13.040 But I actually think that what can be gleamed from this particular meme is much deeper.
00:02:22.000 And that's why I wanted to make sure to do an episode on it, even if it's not appearing while this is still in the zeitgeist of the topic.
00:02:28.580 Because I think that this was actually a great sort of natural experiment
00:02:33.960 to see where our culture is heading and to predict where things will go downstream of here.
00:02:42.840 What this really indicates is what media has done to female audiences, 0.99
00:02:47.720 which is that when they hear the word average or random guy,
00:02:52.100 they assume some kind of aggressor, some kind of dangerous person.
00:02:56.740 They're evoked set for random guy rather than your brother, an uncle, a family member, a co-worker.
00:03:02.780 They further ask this. If it was your dad, would you say no? They'll say.
00:03:07.420 They would choose a bear over their dad?
00:03:09.680 For example, look at this woman's caption.
00:03:11.320 I choose the bear every time. If it's my boyfriend, the bear, a friend, the bear, my dad, the bear.
00:03:16.720 Life and men have given me enough reason to choose the bear any time over any of them.
00:03:20.960 I don't trust them. I don't think I ever will.
00:03:23.020 Whether they're family or friends or stranger, I choose the bear.
00:03:26.060 Yeah, I think you always, and a lot of people do this.
00:03:28.880 They're like, Malcolm, you go too hard against the monoculture and stuff like that
00:03:33.060 because they assume that the monoculture is their perception of the monoculture
00:03:38.840 when they've been associated with it.
00:03:40.640 Okay.
00:03:40.880 Not the, like, they don't know how brainwashed and culty some individuals have gotten.
00:03:45.640 But what I would say is the first thing to understand what we're really learning from this
00:03:51.640 is I'm going to play a clip of somebody interviewing a bunch of women. 1.00
00:03:54.620 But first, I'm going to slightly change the question that's being asked.
00:03:57.820 Okay.
00:03:58.640 Would you prefer to be in the woods with a bear or a random black man? 1.00
00:04:07.240 Black. 1.00
00:04:07.920 Man is scary. 0.97
00:04:09.220 Um, with a bear.
00:04:11.040 What I've heard about bears, they don't always attack you, right?
00:04:13.620 So maybe a bear.
00:04:15.540 Probably a bear.
00:04:17.280 100% a bear, which is, like, terrifying to say, but...
00:04:20.660 Definitely a bear. 0.99
00:04:21.820 Some black men are very scary out there. 1.00
00:04:24.400 A bear. 0.99
00:04:25.700 Even some men are saying bear, although we could predict that this man's opinion
00:04:29.680 will be whatever makes women approve of him. 0.54
00:04:31.860 If I were alone in the woods, would you rather me encounter a bear or a black man? 0.99
00:04:36.900 I feel more like bear.
00:04:40.480 I don't know, because I feel like I would know what the outcome would be with a bear.
00:04:44.100 And I think when you hear this, now you get really uncomfortable.
00:04:46.920 When you hear the way people are responding to the initial question,
00:04:51.020 but I have changed the context slightly, you get really uncomfortable.
00:04:55.940 Yeah.
00:04:56.300 Or I could change it a bit.
00:04:58.640 I could say, would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a Jew? 1.00
00:05:04.940 Oh, wow.
00:05:06.040 This would be really offensive if they had asked one of these other questions.
00:05:10.760 Yeah.
00:05:11.580 And this is because what you are actually seeing within this meme is just pure, uncut bigotry.
00:05:20.980 Um, and you are seeing the extreme levels of bigotry that have become normalized in our society.
00:05:29.700 And this gets really interested because now you get into how does bigotry spread?
00:05:35.560 How did it?
00:05:36.360 And so first, something that's useful to note whenever bigotry spreads, because when I say
00:05:42.280 this, if you're in the cult, you're like, men don't count as a class that is worthy of any
00:05:49.060 protection.
00:05:49.520 They do, they're not worthy at the same level of human dignity of other classes. 1.00
00:05:54.220 This is always the first step in the proliferation of systemic bigotry. 0.83
00:06:01.580 The first thing the Nazis did was to compare the Jews to animals.
00:06:06.060 The same thing we see happening again within the Palestine protests and stuff like that
00:06:10.260 was the, we've talked about this in another episode, actually one that might go live after
00:06:14.120 this one.
00:06:14.820 But yeah, you first need to, like racism never is, oh, we have a lot of people.
00:06:19.500 I hate this group just in particular.
00:06:22.360 It's no, this group is genuinely lesser, genuinely deserving of lesser protections before you
00:06:28.600 go on.
00:06:29.000 And people can be like, come on, men have all the power in our society.
00:06:31.340 And I'm like, have you looked at like college admissions rates recently?
00:06:34.760 Like men are being systemically pulled out of our economy right now.
00:06:40.460 Yeah.
00:06:40.740 And anyone who does, if you look at like the number of scholarships for men versus the number
00:06:45.340 of scholarship for women, that's 10 to one, even with the higher rates of men. 0.99
00:06:48.560 One of the things that shocked me was I was recently walking around the Stanford campus for my reunion
00:06:52.920 and there was an entire building dedicated to helping women.
00:06:57.560 It was the old firehouse.
00:06:58.780 It'd been converted to an entire building just for increasing the enfranchisement of women. 1.00
00:07:04.620 What do they do?
00:07:05.840 What do they do?
00:07:06.480 What's odd is, but women are the majority of students coming into campus now. 1.00
00:07:11.880 They are the privileged group.
00:07:14.300 To have an entire department dedicated to servicing the needs of the privileged group within a campus
00:07:23.260 environment is genuinely obscene.
00:07:26.920 The typical woke female college student would respond to you saying, that's exactly what colleges 1.00
00:07:32.580 were like for men, for all of history.
00:07:35.240 You'd go and then there'd be some exclusive male fraternity to further enfranchise the men 0.99
00:07:39.760 who went there.
00:07:40.400 And this is just our version of correcting societal ills.
00:07:44.260 They would say that, but those fraternities often weren't directly integrated with the university.
00:07:49.940 Right.
00:07:50.320 Funded by it, et cetera.
00:07:51.520 Even if you take the direction that says, okay, well, women used to be discriminated against 1.00
00:07:57.160 and that's why these were originally built because there were counter institutions on
00:08:02.180 campus to them.
00:08:03.280 Well, those counter institutions don't work anymore.
00:08:06.180 So these things that were built to counter systemic sexism on campus are now institutionally
00:08:15.340 furthering the very type of sexism that they were built to dismantle.
00:08:19.800 What's interesting is just the extent to which we're making men into bears.
00:08:25.100 We're making men into things that can and should be scarier than bears because we're forcing
00:08:29.160 them to become stronger and better.
00:08:32.160 Like by subjecting men, especially like we'll say cis, otherwise privileged men to higher selective
00:08:40.040 pressures, you are forcing them to become the best and the brightest and to build their own
00:08:44.760 institutions.
00:08:45.640 But that's objectively not true.
00:08:47.080 Really?
00:08:47.360 If you look at the statistics of men today versus men in the past, they are lower testosterone,
00:08:52.380 lower strength, lower.
00:08:54.040 You can just look at pictures.
00:08:55.520 Well, do you think it's an 80-20 thing though?
00:08:57.120 Do you think that basically most men indeed are experiencing that disenfranchisement, but
00:09:02.600 then the 20% that are ultimately going to matter that historically always were the ones who ultimately
00:09:06.480 built everything are the ones who are ultimately being pushed to thrive even further?
00:09:10.680 I don't understand.
00:09:12.100 It's just not a thing.
00:09:13.400 It's a fantasy.
00:09:14.020 It's a fantasy that there is this dangerous male group that they are concerned about is
00:09:20.040 not particularly more dangerous than any other group that they could be exposed to.
00:09:25.080 They have chosen, because of bigotry, because of assumptions about groups, to make these biases about men.
00:09:34.680 If you look at male violence statistics, right?
00:09:39.060 I'm not referring to dangerous in terms of violence, by the way.
00:09:41.560 I'm referring to dangerous in terms of having all the agency and power.
00:09:46.140 But that's not what they're talking about.
00:09:47.940 Yeah.
00:09:48.240 You're reframing the question to try to—and I think this is useful, because this is a way that
00:09:52.700 many progressives or people who grow up in this environment intrinsically attempt to reframe
00:09:57.100 the issue in their own minds when they're engaging with it, so they don't understand how genuinely
00:10:02.400 horrifying the normalized bigotry within progressive circles has become.
00:10:06.920 And this is why—I think for a while as a society, we didn't understand why we needed to treat racism
00:10:15.200 with such an immediate and angry response, why we needed to treat anti-Semitism with such an immediate
00:10:21.100 and severe angry response.
00:10:22.440 Because if you don't, if you allow it to begin to fester within a population,
00:10:27.580 you then have it become a status hierarchy signaling mechanism.
00:10:34.540 And if it becomes a status hierarchy signaling mechanism, then it self-extremizes like we have
00:10:41.600 already had happen within women in our society today. 1.00
00:10:45.360 Sure.
00:10:45.840 To the extent where they would say something that is the equivalent of saying,
00:10:50.440 would you rather be around—be exposed to a random male in the woods or a random black male in the woods?
00:10:55.100 Or to treat them through IVF just so they could be sure that they don't have any male children. 1.00
00:10:59.660 But we're going to talk about that in a second.
00:11:01.700 And I would point out here as well, if they're like, look at X statistics, right?
00:11:05.800 Any statistics that a woman is going to find that indicates that coming across a random male in the woods
00:11:11.960 might be a scary thing for her is going to apply extra to black males. 1.00
00:11:18.020 Any statistic they're looking at.
00:11:20.240 And so why is it that they are not allowed to ask this question about black males, right?
00:11:24.920 If they're framing it this way, right?
00:11:26.520 It is because they have learned that by taking stances like this publicly, they can achieve higher status.
00:11:35.620 And so it signals to the public what group they're in.
00:11:38.460 And so now we're going to talk about how extreme this has gotten because it's really quite terrifying.
00:11:44.020 So there was an article recently in Slate called It's Illegal in Most of the World.
00:11:50.060 In America, new parents are embracing it for better or worse. 0.85
00:11:53.520 And it is gender selection within IVF, which of course we support.
00:11:57.840 But here are some quotes from the article, which I think shows you the level of dehumanization
00:12:02.260 and bigotry that has become normalized within the urban monoculture.
00:12:05.600 Grace, a 31-year-old woman who works in human resources, told me, 0.87
00:12:12.640 when I think about having a child that's a boy, it's almost a repulsion.
00:12:17.840 Oh my God, no.
00:12:20.640 Grace and her fang, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google, engineer, fiancé,
00:12:25.780 are freezing embryos to preserve their fertility and to ensure that they avoid that
00:12:30.960 oh my God, no scenario.
00:12:34.540 After she turned 30, her fiancé wanted to make embryos the right way.
00:12:40.060 Wanted to make embryos right away.
00:12:42.380 Grace wasn't particularly eager to kick off the kid having process.
00:12:46.140 I don't like kids.
00:12:47.440 I don't want kids anytime soon, especially when that's a boy.
00:12:51.120 But she also thinks that her feelings around kids may change.
00:12:55.260 And she wants to be able to dodge the possibility of becoming a quote unquote boy mom if they do.
00:13:00.100 Avoid becoming a boy mom. 1.00
00:13:01.460 What's so bad about boys?
00:13:03.200 Quote, toxic masculinity, end quote. 0.99
00:13:05.920 Said many women I spoke to, even those who were sadly already boy moms.
00:13:11.420 For many, going through all the trouble to ensure a girl feels like a social good.
00:13:17.040 Amy's partner, Guthrie, believes that because oldest children tend to be more successful,
00:13:26.560 if everyone did sex selection, we could quash inequality by manipulating birth order.
00:13:33.320 Quote, maybe one of our best chances at trying to destroy the glass ceiling is to have women 1.00
00:13:39.280 first, end quote, said Gurthy.
00:13:41.520 Among the moms I spoke to who already have boys, many want to give their sons sisters to make them 1.00
00:13:47.960 better men.
00:13:48.540 They believe that girls can do anything, a conviction that often comes with a subtext 1.00
00:13:53.740 that boys are incapable of doing their own laundry.
00:13:57.480 Calling their moms, expressing empathy, or really being part of the family as they get older.
00:14:03.460 Quote, I don't know a guy who has a strong relationship with his mother or his family,
00:14:07.840 end quote, Grace told me.
00:14:09.500 And this is-
00:14:10.520 And whose fault is that?
00:14:12.040 Oh my God.
00:14:13.520 Hold on.
00:14:13.900 So there was also a case of a couple who sued a fertility clinic after having a male embryo
00:14:24.140 instead of a female embryo. 0.99
00:14:26.800 And they just-
00:14:27.620 I mean, that's annoying.
00:14:27.820 You pay for services and they probably told them they were able to choose a gender and
00:14:33.840 they were lied to, but still the fact that they-
00:14:37.220 Yeah, but you've got to hear the way that they talk about it and think about it.
00:14:41.540 Ah, okay.
00:14:42.320 I'll pull quotes from this after the recording.
00:14:45.580 She explained,
00:14:46.480 I had wanted skin-to-skin connection, but I ended up wearing things so he wouldn't touch
00:14:50.900 my chest.
00:14:51.860 When he did, it sent electric shockwaves through me.
00:14:55.000 I started experiencing extreme anxiety and I would look at the baby and it would contort
00:14:59.960 into the faces of all these grown men that I know.
00:15:02.920 It was so creepy.
00:15:04.380 Whenever that happened, I had to give the baby to Robbie.
00:15:06.860 But you hear a lot of talk from this couple that really is- compares carrying a child that
00:15:15.240 is a male as grape because they have a male inside them involuntarily. 1.00
00:15:20.300 And they're just-
00:15:20.960 They have a partner, like they married a partner. 0.56
00:15:24.660 No, they're usually lesbians. 1.00
00:15:26.700 Ah, okay. 0.90
00:15:28.340 Okay.
00:15:28.560 So they are extremist anti-males.
00:15:30.200 But you also get these in, I think the other couple that was talking, the first couple
00:15:33.780 was a heterosexual.
00:15:35.440 Well, they probably wouldn't call themselves heterosexual, but it was what we would call
00:15:38.040 a man and a woman being married to each other.
00:15:39.860 And to the people who want to be like, well, she was a assault survivor, you know, therefore
00:15:46.420 her reaction to males is justified.
00:15:50.160 And I would counter with, if somebody was a survivor and the assaultant was a black male 0.52
00:15:57.980 and they reacted that way to black males specifically, would that be allowed in our society?
00:16:05.280 Would people be like, oh yeah, it's okay because one black person did something to them for 0.99
00:16:10.300 them to now react extremely negatively whenever they are touched by or around or talked to 0.86
00:16:16.600 by a black man? 0.89
00:16:17.860 No, of course not. 0.98
00:16:19.800 You cannot carve out specific subgroups as being less deserving of human decency than other
00:16:25.160 subgroups.
00:16:25.800 That is the core element of bigotry.
00:16:29.860 More than all other elements, that's the core element.
00:16:33.580 And this, so like when you hear this, are you beginning to understand or contextualize
00:16:41.620 just the amount of genuine bigotry that's being normalized?
00:16:45.500 It is not that they are, I think, genuinely more afraid of a man.
00:16:49.820 Like when you hear man, you think a male person because you're still thinking like a human.
00:16:54.320 When they hear man, they hear monster.
00:16:56.920 Yeah, it's hard for me to parse out how much of this is part of progressive culture and
00:17:03.560 how much of this is people with very strange phobias.
00:17:06.800 There are people who are only capable of eating macaroni and cheese every day.
00:17:10.440 There are people who are terrified of-
00:17:11.280 Come on, it's like 50% of respondents.
00:17:12.300 Come on.
00:17:13.220 Yeah, to the bear thing.
00:17:14.720 But I also think that that's like an issue of availability heuristic with male figures.
00:17:20.080 What?
00:17:20.400 Explain how this is availability heuristic.
00:17:23.300 They interact with males every single day.
00:17:25.660 Yeah, but I don't think they think about that.
00:17:27.460 I don't think they think of the males that they interact with as males.
00:17:30.900 And then when they're evoked set for a man is still like an evil aggressor in the patriarchy
00:17:35.840 and terrible people who do terrible things.
00:17:38.500 But hold on.
00:17:38.520 Let's unpack what you just said because this is important.
00:17:40.440 It helps you understand how racism, anti-Semitism, and other types of hate evolve.
00:17:46.780 Right, right.
00:17:47.660 Because it allows you to discategorize all disconforming evidence of actually being related
00:17:54.780 to that gender group.
00:17:59.340 Do you think many people who are racist or anti-whatever group have plenty of people in
00:18:05.020 those groups in their lives that they just don't think about as being in those groups because
00:18:08.860 they like, I don't know, they don't fit the stereotype.
00:18:12.780 Then it's obviously a big problem.
00:18:14.540 This is obviously heartbreaking.
00:18:16.060 My heart especially breaks for this baby that was born via IVF that the couple didn't want.
00:18:21.780 And a lot of the sons, even that are being raised by mothers who chose to have sons are
00:18:25.760 not select for gender, but have just decided that I'm going to teach my son just how terrible 1.00
00:18:30.620 men are because that's horrible.
00:18:32.900 They'll just teach the guy to hate themselves.
00:18:34.800 And then a lot of them can just gender transition. 1.00
00:18:37.280 When you hear about kids questioning their gender at three or something, a kid is not
00:18:42.120 questioning his gender at three.
00:18:43.360 We have kids who are three.
00:18:44.540 Not one of them had the faintest clue what gender is.
00:18:47.100 Yeah.
00:18:47.780 Everything is all pronouns mixed.
00:18:50.500 It does not matter.
00:18:51.940 Yeah.
00:18:52.280 So they're just going to transition them.
00:18:55.760 And I'll play a short video clip here.
00:18:58.200 This is from something I played in another show, which it's supposed to be a trans piece
00:19:01.980 of media that they're discussing here.
00:19:03.520 And they're trying to explain the consequences, lying to this young person about the consequences
00:19:08.640 of the surgery, saying that it's pretty much assured that they'll be able to orgasm afterwards
00:19:12.520 when that's not really what we've seen.
00:19:14.900 But then in like larger data sets, you're generally giving up the ability to orgasm if
00:19:21.560 you're transitioning in this way, especially with heavy amounts of puberty blockers, which
00:19:25.680 this individual is on.
00:19:27.000 But this individual is admitting that they don't even understand why they're talking to them
00:19:30.240 about this because they've never experienced an orgasm.
00:19:32.340 I haven't experienced any sexual sensation.
00:19:35.540 So when the doctors are saying an orgasm is like a sneeze, I don't even know what she's
00:19:40.120 talking about. 1.00
00:19:40.740 What girl wants their penis to grow? 1.00
00:19:42.300 Not this girl and not any girl. 1.00
00:19:44.300 If only I was born with a vagina. 1.00
00:19:46.260 Solve that problem. 1.00
00:19:47.140 Amen, sister.
00:19:48.140 So they can't even think or know or contextualize what's being talked about.
00:19:52.580 And what this highlights to me is how early this individual went on puberty blockers.
00:19:58.100 Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know.
00:20:03.840 I it's very clear to me that for quite a while now, there has been an intense bias against
00:20:09.340 men, especially in developed nations predominated by the urban monoculture.
00:20:15.840 The fact that men are hearing again and again from potential employers, for example, you're
00:20:22.080 great, but I'm sorry.
00:20:23.060 We can't hire another man like we're not really like we're not allowed to or we can't.
00:20:27.620 The optics would be too bad.
00:20:29.280 That's just a normalized thing that pretty much everyone we know who's male and who's
00:20:33.200 on the job market has experienced at this point is insane.
00:20:37.440 And the sign of very severe bias.
00:20:40.100 And I think the fact that even people like me, I hear this bear thing and I try to shrug
00:20:45.300 it off is an indication of the extent to which we've normalized this misandry in society,
00:20:50.600 because now it's just so obvious to me that I don't think twice when we see new examples
00:20:58.640 of it.
00:20:59.080 It's just, of course, that's how it is.
00:21:00.840 And new infractions would have to be so extreme that by that point, we're just rounding
00:21:05.140 people up.
00:21:05.760 Yeah, it's a boiling a frog scenario.
00:21:08.220 Like for you, if you heard and you have even in this podcast tried to dismiss this as maybe
00:21:13.140 they're missing.
00:21:13.800 Maybe if you because you'll hear answers like one of the girls who gave an answer said bears 0.72
00:21:19.960 don't attack every time.
00:21:21.820 Well, I've heard about bears.
00:21:22.840 They don't always attack you.
00:21:23.940 Right.
00:21:24.300 So maybe imagine thinking men attack every time.
00:21:27.840 Yeah.
00:21:28.440 And then there's another group where they were like, what's the probability that the man will
00:21:32.040 attack you?
00:21:32.700 And people were giving answers like 80 percent, 50 percent.
00:21:36.680 And they're standing on the street where theoretically 50 percent of those also out on the streets
00:21:41.820 walking on sidewalks are male.
00:21:43.860 It's very odd.
00:21:44.360 This was actually a panel.
00:21:46.140 A panel.
00:21:46.980 I see.
00:21:47.480 Was it an female panel in a building full of all women? 1.00
00:21:50.860 Yeah.
00:21:51.080 I guess this is alone in the woods.
00:21:52.860 Let's say you were alone in the woods and you walked past a man.
00:21:58.700 What do you guys think?
00:22:00.380 Like, what do you think the probability is that just any random man would attack you?
00:22:08.320 I'd say 50, 50.
00:22:09.640 30, 70, 30 being he would assault me.
00:22:12.300 There is a chance that a man would attack, but I don't know what the percentage is.
00:22:16.020 85, I'd say 50, 50, very low, like less than 10 percent.
00:22:21.040 So they just think maybe they think that once isolated, men will strike.
00:22:25.220 The woman who said the least number on the panel said 10 percent.
00:22:30.020 She said, I'm going to be very conservative here and say only 10 percent.
00:22:32.960 That 10 percent of men would attack you on site.
00:22:35.140 Now, I will say there are parts of the world in which I could be dropped into a random street that is abandoned with one other randomly selected male from that city.
00:22:47.520 And my odds of being attacked could be pretty high as well.
00:22:52.100 Right.
00:22:52.780 I guess I'm thinking American men here.
00:22:54.820 I know, but my point to you is that I think that the evoked set of these women is those sets.
00:23:01.160 No, it's not.
00:23:02.480 No?
00:23:03.220 No, it's not.
00:23:04.460 They're talking about American men.
00:23:06.360 It is very clear.
00:23:07.460 They're talking about the men they interact with.
00:23:09.800 And this is the thing.
00:23:11.040 And this is why.
00:23:11.660 I don't know if they think of the men they interact with as men.
00:23:15.800 This is why it's so important that I elevate this.
00:23:19.300 And I'm also elevate your reaction to this.
00:23:21.600 OK.
00:23:22.000 Because it's a reaction that many people will have that shows how dangerous this has gone.
00:23:25.940 If you lived in a society, like if in America today, people were responding the same way to a question about Jews or black people, would you be like, holy, we have a big problem in this country and we need to do something about it immediately?
00:23:41.560 Yeah.
00:23:41.800 You would be raising every alarm bell you could raise.
00:23:45.140 This is true.
00:23:45.900 And yet, because it's men, you have said they must have been misunderstanding the question or it couldn't really be that bad or it couldn't.
00:23:53.700 But it really is that bad.
00:23:55.800 And it's also you'll see women say things. 0.79
00:24:00.840 Even on my own Facebook page, I've seen posts recently.
00:24:02.940 Women are the only animal that needs to mate with its own natural predator. 1.00
00:24:07.400 As if. 0.99
00:24:08.540 Oh, my gosh.
00:24:09.480 First, I'm like, do you not have the barest grasp of biology?
00:24:12.780 What about praying mantises?
00:24:14.280 Yeah.
00:24:14.820 Hello.
00:24:15.720 Grow up. 0.96
00:24:16.440 You clearly are uneducated.
00:24:18.120 Also, I'd like to point out here from a biological perspective.
00:24:21.240 Males of a species almost never would kill a female of a species to eat.
00:24:28.000 That makes no sense.
00:24:30.160 Whereas females of species frequently kill males of species to eat when they're not interested in reproducing. 0.88
00:24:36.000 Because if a male has inseminated you from a biological perspective, literally the last thing he would want to do is have you killed.
00:24:45.280 Even if women are like, you as men don't understand what it's like to be a woman in our society today.
00:24:50.880 How empowered you feel?
00:24:52.740 How in danger you are?
00:24:54.760 And I'm like, or you could look at the statistics and see that men in America are much more at risk.
00:25:00.300 I think it's two times more at risk or maybe even three times more at risk of being attacked by a man than a woman in America.
00:25:06.800 So, no, you as a woman are not experiencing more attacks by men than men.
00:25:10.520 So, as a note here, I looked it up.
00:25:12.540 And men make up 79% of homicide victims worldwide.
00:25:17.620 So, you're literally five times more likely to be murdered by someone if you're a man than a woman.
00:25:23.060 And we'll assume that most of those doing murders are men for the sake of misogyny.
00:25:27.180 But it's also true.
00:25:28.400 So, when you look at statistics like that, it's one of these things where it's, holy moly, this is not because of their lived experiences.
00:25:41.500 It is because of a reality that they have constructed for themselves around themselves based on a fabricated reality of business.
00:25:54.520 Now, the fortunate thing is that this group is breeding very little.
00:25:57.980 And so, the key is to just not really engage with them.
00:26:01.720 Or actively disengage.
00:26:03.780 Cut it off, have a spouse.
00:26:05.020 It's very important, like with my spouse now, that I'm talking to you about this because what can happen in relationships is guys who live that standard lifestyle where they go off to work, their wife goes off to a different job, they're apart a lot of the time, can start consuming content like this on TikTok or something like that and become brainwashed into this position of extreme misogyny.
00:26:24.520 That's a good point.
00:26:25.480 Yeah, and I think we've even met couples recently.
00:26:28.500 I'm not going to name names, but we were at a dinner the other day where one couple that we'd known from the beginning, actually, even before they were engaged, had reached this point where the wife kept saying these insane things that the husband just had to, like, nod to.
00:26:50.520 Yeah.
00:26:50.620 And you and I were, like, pushing back.
00:26:52.620 She's getting increasingly pissed at us. 0.88
00:26:54.380 And her husband's just sitting there and he has this help me look on his face, but he can't say anything to her.
00:27:00.020 And, like, he at one point said something that defended, like, a reasonable point.
00:27:04.200 And she's like, how could you say that?
00:27:05.620 Are you serious?
00:27:06.480 And he's like, oh.
00:27:06.900 And then he started hedging.
00:27:08.200 And it was really clear that this is one of those relationships where she had become radicalized.
00:27:12.240 He remained fairly centrist.
00:27:15.180 And yet, because they have children together, he's not in a position where he gets to, like, what do you do?
00:27:22.420 But that's a different conversation.
00:27:23.680 A lot of people will say, I couldn't have philosophical conversations like you do with your wife.
00:27:29.180 And what I would say is, you better learn how to, because if you are not influencing her philosophical position, other people can be.
00:27:36.460 And it can lead to these sorts of outcomes.
00:27:38.420 That's a good point.
00:27:39.080 Yeah.
00:27:39.360 Like, undoing this, I think, is going to be a hell of a lot harder than finding a way to have an open dialogue and to inoculate people against insanity.
00:27:49.020 So I'm glad.
00:27:49.300 I love you and I appreciate you.
00:27:51.100 I love you too, gorgeous.
00:27:52.040 I love you too.
00:28:03.560 I love you too.
00:28:05.440 I love you too, you too.
00:28:06.680 I love you too, gorgeous.
00:28:07.580 I love you too, gorgeous.
00:28:10.480 And I love you too, gorgeous.
00:28:11.160 I love you too, though, gorgeous.
00:28:13.100 I love you too, gorgeous.
00:28:13.580 I love you too, gorgeous.
00:28:14.840 I love you too.
00:28:16.220 I love you too, pretty much.
00:28:17.900 I love you too, gorgeous.
00:28:18.400 I love you too.
00:28:19.660 I love you too, Kelsey.