Based Camp - The Best Pronatalist Comedy We Have Seen (Julie Nolke)

00:00:00.000 I am Colleen from the year 2453 and I'm begging you to help us. 0.99

00:00:03.720 Oh shit, oh yeah, oh okay. 0.98

00:00:05.240 Our civilization is crumbling due to our dwindling population. 1.00

00:00:07.760 Yes, what can I do to help?

00:00:09.520 You must have children.

00:00:13.240 Oh.

00:00:15.440 Um.

00:00:18.040 Okay.

00:00:18.880 It's just that it's not a very good time for me.

00:00:21.160 This is of the utmost importance.

00:00:23.440 It is life or death.

00:00:24.560 Yes, okay, okay.

00:00:26.640 I'm just kind of in a really good place with my career.

00:00:30.760 Um, but I don't think I can do both my career and and save the species.

00:00:36.080 And the choice is obvious.

00:00:37.080 Totally.

00:00:37.680 Yeah, totally.

00:00:38.360 So I worked with a lot of early hominid skulls and things that you would see frequently.

00:00:41.560 It was like the bones sort of bubbled off from like funguses that it ate somebody's face off

00:00:46.080 while they were alive.

00:00:47.080 No.

00:00:48.080 This is a fungus.

00:00:48.680 It would be trivial to kill today with antifungal.

00:00:50.680 Wow.

00:00:52.080 But in a historic context, nothing you could do.

00:00:54.360 Just bubble your face off, but you kept chugging because you were doing it to make your children's

00:01:00.360 life better.

00:01:01.320 And we were going through this intergenerational cycle of martyrdom.

00:01:04.520 This generation finally was like, okay, I'm sort of cashing in. 0.63

00:01:08.280 I'm not going to pay it forward.

00:01:09.720 You know, with every instance of paying it forward, things got easier.

00:01:13.480 I'm just not going to do it because I deserve whatever I want whenever I feel like it.

00:01:17.640 Would you like to know more?

00:01:19.000 Oh gosh.

00:01:19.560 Anyway, Simone, I am so happy to be here with you today.

00:01:23.400 This morning, a friend on Facebook actually posted this and then I checked it out and

00:01:29.400 we learned that there was a longer form version of the video on YouTube, but it was a video

00:01:33.800 both making fun of and sympathizing with the pro-natalist movement.

00:01:39.160 And it is probably one of the best pieces of especially non-explicitly right-leaning pro-natalist

00:01:46.520 comedy I've ever seen.

00:01:48.040 And, and it even seems a little like urban monocultury left-leaning and its complaints

00:01:52.760 and perspectives on pro-natalism.

00:01:54.280 No, this is a thoroughly left-leaning complaint.

00:01:57.880 Left-leaning people are aware of demographic collapse as an issue.

00:02:01.080 Well, no, but that's an interesting thing is that this is a changing thing that's happening in

00:02:05.000 our society.

00:02:05.720 Yeah.

00:02:06.120 And what we wanted to do is to begin to analyze this.

00:02:09.800 Like as various groups wake up to the cause of demographic collapse, or at least the severity

00:02:14.920 of the cause, how are they reacting to it?

00:02:18.760 And what does this portal for the future of once the urban monoculture comes to accept that 0.87

00:02:26.040 everybody who complains about fertility collapse, is it like some raving, psychotic racist?

00:02:30.440 And hold on, we have to just applaud that you coined a new word, which is a portmanteau of 0.67

00:02:35.800 portend and fortel.

00:02:37.880 Portel.

00:02:38.680 I like it.

00:02:40.080 Oh yeah, that's great.

00:02:41.520 Portel.

00:02:43.320 You're no, you're no hygienist, but.

00:02:46.000 Yes, I may have a little bit of organized, disorganized dysprinia in the way I talk.

00:02:51.020 But anyway, so we are going to, people can check out our schizophrenic dysprinia spectrum video

00:02:55.640 if that's come out before this one.

00:02:56.920 But we have never done like a watching a video analysis before, and we don't really

00:03:02.280 know how to do it with like our faces on the screen.

00:03:05.400 So what we're going to do is I'm going to play segments of the video that you and I will

00:03:09.600 watch together, and then I'll cut out the segments of this and put the video in, and

00:03:13.160 then it'll come back to us talking about the segment we just watched.

00:03:16.460 It's time for me to come out of my husband's shadow and shine.

00:03:22.920 Hello?

00:03:24.320 Anyone?

00:03:25.200 Can you hear me?

00:03:25.960 Hello?

00:03:26.140 Whoa, hi.

00:03:27.080 Oh, thank God.

00:03:27.920 I am calling from the year 2453, and I've used my last time leap to make this call, but

00:03:32.240 I don't have long.

00:03:32.860 A few moments at best.

00:03:33.700 Oh my God, you're from the future.

00:03:34.940 Yes, and I'm begging you to help us. 1.00

00:03:36.940 Oh shit. 1.00

00:03:37.520 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:03:38.040 Oh, okay.

00:03:38.540 Our civilization is crumbling due to our dwindling population.

00:03:41.020 We can no longer sustain ourselves.

00:03:42.300 We are going extinct as a species.

00:03:44.000 Oh my God.

00:03:44.400 You must save us.

00:03:45.140 Okay.

00:03:45.700 Yeah.

00:03:46.120 Yes.

00:03:46.580 What can I do to help?

00:03:47.700 You must have children.

00:03:51.300 Oh.

00:03:53.640 Um.

00:03:54.140 Okay.

00:03:56.520 Tell all your friends, every fertile woman you know, they must have children. 1.00

00:03:59.240 Uh, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

00:04:01.960 Uh, is there anything else I can do?

00:04:03.520 No, I have ran countless models that all point to this exact moment where we could undo our

00:04:07.640 downfall.

00:04:08.000 Okay.

00:04:08.620 Uh, it's just a, it's not a very good time for me.

00:04:11.320 I love the way they're starting this because it feels very much like us.

00:04:15.560 Like we are these panicked people who have taken the time to run the numbers.

00:04:21.100 Uh, as I always say, having worked on this issue in South Korea to start, like that's

00:04:27.040 when I started caring about this when I was there and coming to the U S it really did feel

00:04:30.800 like traveling back in time to a country that was further along in the collapse, knowing 0.99

00:04:35.940 all the stupid shit they would try, like handing out money and stuff like that, that it wouldn't 0.99

00:04:40.500 work, that blocking immigration, that it would exacerbate the problem, that there is 1.00

00:04:45.240 no natural floor coming back to the U S and getting a chance to try.

00:04:49.280 So I very much feel like this, this woman from the future who is going out there and trying

00:04:55.920 to proselytize this call.

00:04:57.560 So, so I think they, they captured that very well, but they also, I think captured the standard

00:05:04.520 urban monoculture initial response, which is they're used to this idea of like calls from

00:05:10.200 somebody in the future saying, if you do this now, you know, the future will be a better place,

00:05:15.000 but these things are always token.

00:05:17.160 It's like, don't use straws or something like that.

00:05:19.360 Like they're, they're not things that involve it's recycling.

00:05:22.480 They're not things that involve real genuine sacrifice, like having kids.

00:05:27.560 And there's a reaction of like, oh, you, you mean, you want me to like actually do something.

00:05:33.320 The other thing that she did that I thought was really clever in this is not just say that

00:05:38.060 she specifically needs to go out and have kids. 1.00

00:05:41.080 She understands that the people who actually care about this problem need to spread the

00:05:47.460 word about it.

00:05:48.580 Right.

00:05:49.560 And she framed spreading the word in, in a way that I think is really aligned with what

00:05:54.920 it's actually like to be out there spreading the word. 0.97

00:05:57.560 Which is, you sound insane.

00:06:00.820 Like go out there and tell all the fertile women, you know, they have to start getting 1.00

00:06:04.980 pregnant.

00:06:06.080 And it's like, yeah, that's what we have to do.

00:06:08.440 But like, it sounds insane.

00:06:12.000 Or we end up sounding like religiously conservative mother-in-laws, mothers-in-law and mothers just

00:06:17.880 being like, well, when you're going to have kids, you should have kids.

00:06:21.040 Where are the grandkids?

00:06:22.700 So either way you look bad.

00:06:24.140 This is of the utmost importance.

00:06:27.020 It is life or death.

00:06:28.160 Yes.

00:06:28.760 Okay.

00:06:29.480 Okay.

00:06:32.280 I'm just kind of in a really good place with my career.

00:06:34.320 Well, surely you could momentarily put it on hold to save your species.

00:06:38.540 I could.

00:06:38.760 Yep.

00:06:39.240 Yep.

00:06:39.460 Yeah, I could.

00:06:40.380 I could.

00:06:42.140 But I don't think I could do both my career and save the species.

00:06:46.260 Then the choice is obvious.

00:06:47.280 Totally.

00:06:47.900 Yeah.

00:06:48.420 I definitely am.

00:06:49.760 Obviously, this is where I step in and I'm like, this is such a disgusting farce.

00:06:53.880 As if for the vast majority of human civilization or even humanity, women have stopped working 1.00

00:07:01.080 to have kids.

00:07:02.060 That is such a joke.

00:07:03.360 And I'm sure it's created by the concept of the nuclear family housewife who stayed at 0.86

00:07:09.260 home to be a mother and homekeeper as another, like, as her husband went to work.

00:07:15.920 I think that maybe gave women the impression that, like, well, then, of course, one doesn't

00:07:19.860 work.

00:07:20.200 Are you eating the kids' crackers?

00:07:22.660 It's just a saying, when you're a parent, you get little snacks all over the house.

00:07:26.120 Oh, God.

00:07:27.540 That you have to, that, like, it's an either-or thing.

00:07:31.780 Before that, for the vast majority of human history, women worked and women had kids. 1.00

00:07:36.940 And that's how it works.

00:07:37.860 And I get that there are many jobs where currently, based on current policies, it is impossible.

00:07:42.380 Like, if you are a nurse, you cannot bring your baby to the hospital with you and care

00:07:47.280 for patients.

00:07:47.820 Now, what I do think hospitals should have, and in any pretty much workplace that demands

00:07:51.980 you to be there, it would make a big difference if they were in-house childhood, or sorry,

00:07:56.580 if they were in-house child care.

00:07:59.120 Then I get that.

00:07:59.940 Like, there are some professions where this is just not an option, but a huge and growing

00:08:05.020 number of professions do allow for you to keep going with your career.

00:08:09.900 Well, and it's important that they have been, there's been this misunderstanding in society

00:08:14.880 that, like, all this young interaction you have with your kids, all these days you spend

00:08:19.380 with your kids, that they really matter when they really don't.

00:08:22.700 The vast majority of what matters is the kids' genes, to be honest.

00:08:26.460 Oh, you are undoubtedly, like, your parents.

00:08:28.640 And your parents had a lot of child care support, for example.

00:08:31.920 Yeah, well, and then after that, after genes, it's, like, a base, stable environment and

00:08:37.320 not being abused.

00:08:38.500 Like, and then after that, like, all of the other stuff parents do is, like, 10%.

00:08:43.220 No, but also, like, I would argue that one of the most important roles that a parent plays

00:08:47.840 in a kid's life is as, like, an aspirational figure or a role model.

00:08:55.920 And, you know, parents...

00:08:57.920 The studies show, so they go in both directions.

00:09:01.160 Like, it's one of those things, like, in science, you can find studies to support either

00:09:03.480 view.

00:09:04.080 But the plurality seemed to show that kids with working moms actually performed slightly

00:09:09.260 better in terms of emotional health and career success.

00:09:12.440 Especially younger girls, because they see a female role model who has a job and a career. 1.00

00:09:18.260 But I also really like the framing here that I wanted to catch.

00:09:21.480 It's like, okay, so you're having to choose between, even if this was a choice that you

00:09:26.100 had to make, you're having to choose between saving the species and your personal in the

00:09:33.220 moment, like, career and hedonism.

00:09:35.240 And it's like, yeah, but, you know, it should be an obvious choice.

00:09:38.540 Like, when you think about it, it should be an obvious choice.

00:09:40.980 But it's like, I really don't want that personal responsibility.

00:09:44.120 But also, our culture does not like the species anymore.

00:09:47.440 Like, they're actually, it's not that interesting of a prospect.

00:09:50.680 Yeah, a lot of the comments under her video, which are maybe worth going on through after

00:09:55.160 the video, are about, like, would it really be that bad if humanity went extinct, et cetera,

00:09:58.860 et cetera, et cetera.

00:09:59.360 And we hear this all the time.

00:10:00.180 We envision to people that this is the urban monoculture's perspective.

00:10:02.660 If they are not in it, or they are overly defensive of it so much that they're delusional

00:10:06.900 about its actual goals, they'll be like, no, people don't say that.

00:10:10.280 I'm like, just look at the comments under these things in video.

00:10:13.260 They are very, this is the default assumption. 0.96

00:10:16.040 Humanity should die. 0.97

00:10:17.100 It's not like some edgy outsider case. 0.99

00:10:20.580 It's not like the weird extremists.

00:10:23.300 This is the mainstream perspective within this cultural group.

00:10:27.300 Yep.

00:10:27.700 Yes.

00:10:28.120 Right.

00:10:28.360 Yes.

00:10:28.480 So in that case, I need you to-

00:10:29.860 It's just, is there any monetary compensation, like a tax incentive from the future retroactively?

00:10:35.420 I don't, I don't think so.

00:10:37.960 Well, I do gig work, so I don't get mat leave.

00:10:41.300 And even if I did get mat leave, you know, having kids is for the rich.

00:10:46.060 I don't think you understand.

00:10:47.560 This is bigger than you.

00:10:49.000 We are on the brink of disaster.

00:10:50.580 Empires are falling.

00:10:51.580 War spans the globe.

00:10:52.580 You hold the key to saving humanity.

00:10:56.740 Yeah, it's just like kids are super expensive.

00:10:58.260 So I love this part for a few reasons.

00:11:02.540 One, that like the idea that the people in power in our society today have decided that it, you know, while, you know, cash handouts don't really work for fertility rates, we should definitely have more of them than we have.

00:11:16.900 Well, yeah.

00:11:18.520 Talk about it because it's kind of insane.

00:11:20.160 Yeah, so one of our recent projects for pernatalist.org was to create for every state in the United States, and we're happy to create some for other nations too, we just need to know if there's sufficient demand, a guide to all state-based resources for parents.

00:11:34.200 You know, anything from early diagnosis of developmental issues like learning disabilities or autism to full out like childcare support, meal services, free transportation for minors, government programs providing healthcare to minors.

00:11:48.660 What was really astounding to me is there are very, very few states that offer significant benefits to middle or high-income parents.

00:12:00.660 The vast majority of all services, be it free insurance, free childcare, early intervention, or even school choice, which is crazy, is first and foremost available to low-income parents.

00:12:14.260 So what's interesting to me is it's actually way, way, way, way less expensive to have kids.

00:12:23.120 Like, it's almost free.

00:12:24.400 It is free in many states to have kids because you get free food for them, you get free childcare, you get free healthcare, you get free early intervention and therapy, then you get free school choice.

00:12:35.120 So then you can send them to private schools even if you want to.

00:12:39.040 There's just, it goes on.

00:12:40.660 Like, there are so many resources and this is partially one of the reasons it might be driving lower-income people to be so much higher fertility.

00:12:47.940 Right, because their opportunity cost is, is very low.

00:12:50.660 They can, you know, they'll get the childcare.

00:12:52.160 They don't have to pay for it.

00:12:53.420 And this is something I'd really like to advocate to is extending these programs to everyone or giving them to no one.

00:12:58.020 Like, you shouldn't, you shouldn't have it be free to have as many kids, you know, that if this is something that we believe is something we need to offer as a society, then I think we should be offering it more across the board.

00:13:09.560 Yeah, just offer it across the board or don't offer it.

00:13:12.500 And it's, it is, it's really frustrating because we, we thought we're going to be putting together this amazing guide of useful resources for parents.

00:13:20.120 I told you we weren't going to find anything.

00:13:21.480 I mean, so there, there are still some things like, I mean, you and I with, with an autistic child have benefited from Pennsylvania support of early intervention, meaning that like if your insurance does not cover ABA therapy for autism, the state will provide supplementary insurance to cover it.

00:13:37.140 And that is, it's been a game changer for us.

00:13:39.080 So there are some services that are available, but basically what I'm saying is there is a real and very different opportunity cost for middle and upper income parents.

00:13:49.780 But at the same time, still having kids does not have to be prohibitively expensive if you don't make it like that. 0.96

00:13:59.060 And we keep arguing that like people are raising kids now as though they are retired, incredibly dumb millionaires. 0.98

00:14:05.960 They have to be chapered everywhere. 1.00

00:14:07.560 They have to have their sailing classes and their tennis class and they have to go to their robotics competition and they have to go to, you know, this and they're driven everywhere, you know, soccer competition and then, you know, tutoring.

00:14:18.080 And no, no.

00:14:21.320 So another thing that she mentions in this, I'm sorry, did you have more you wanted to say?

00:14:25.280 No, no, no, no.

00:14:25.900 So that I thought was really astute, and it's something that is often lost on sort of the progressive leaning individuals when we bring up just how bad it's going to be due to low fertility, is that this is going to lead to the collapse of states and war.

00:14:40.740 Oh, yeah.

00:14:41.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:41.800 And a lot of people just, they do not under, like, they did, they're like, they can understand how less land would lead to that, but not rapidly declining populations.

00:14:50.260 They're like, global warming will lead to war, and I'm like, actually, fertility collapse is much more likely to lead to war.

00:14:56.660 And we're literally right.

00:14:57.600 Global warming will lead to.

00:14:58.740 It was likely instigated by fertility collapse, which was the Russia-European war, which Peter Zion predicted would occur at this time due to fertility collapse.

00:15:06.200 Well, and keep in mind, so global warming will lead to very severe immigration crises and refugee crises.

00:15:14.420 Demographic collapse leads to war. 0.88

00:15:16.240 And, you know, the thing is, I think most people watching that video are going to totally miss that point.

00:15:19.760 They're just going to assume, oh, she's riffing on, like, Terminator-style, like, you know, references.

00:15:25.400 And, you know, this isn't actually what would happen.

00:15:28.840 Because people also have this really, really strong vision of demographic collapse just means, oh, fewer people, smaller communities, more space for me, lower rent.

00:15:36.820 Like, they don't see how this causes.

00:15:39.660 Which is what it does lead to.

00:15:41.180 It leads to a Terminator-like future.

00:15:43.380 It's going to be bad.

00:15:44.520 Yeah, no, she nails it. 0.95

00:15:45.520 She nails it.

00:15:46.760 So.

00:15:47.800 Okay, well, I've got.

00:15:49.760 I got 63 galactic kroner, but with reverse inflation, that's going to be, like, 50 cents.

00:15:58.880 Yeah, it's not going to be enough.

00:16:00.260 Okay, well, why don't you have the kids, and then you could go back to work after, and then you'd still have that career. 0.70

00:16:07.500 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I could, but then by the time I've jumped back into work, I'm kind of behind where I was.

00:16:13.980 It's funny, I heard myself say that, and then I was like, wait a minute, wouldn't she be behind where she was, especially her male counterparts?

00:16:19.960 Well, that's one of the reasons women get paid less, you know. 1.00

00:16:22.380 Well, yeah, it's this toxic cycle. 0.99

00:16:24.360 The gender pig, yes, right, I've heard of that. 1.00

00:16:27.520 Well, and then, you know, you've got to work, so your kid needs to go to daycare, and you've got to pay for daycare, which costs the same amount of rent.

00:16:32.880 It's really this, like, catch-22.

00:16:34.120 So you're telling me the people responsible for creating, like, possibly the most vital aspect of our civilization just can't justify it?

00:16:41.640 Yeah, it's kind of a what's-in-it-for-me.

00:16:43.900 Right, right.

00:16:45.320 So, here's the thing.

00:16:47.400 There's so many things.

00:16:48.040 One is, I find it really interesting that, like, the common mainstream view is, oh, if you want me to have kids, you need to give me generous maternity leave.

00:16:57.440 But then also, well, no, I don't want to have kids, because if I go on maternity leave, my career gets stalled and thrown back.

00:17:03.920 We need to denormalize maternity leave. 1.00

00:17:07.440 Yeah, we need to normalize support for mothers as they work through maternity. 1.00

00:17:13.380 So, like you've said in the past, and I really love this as a policy position, is if you do not have to work from an office, you should be allowed to work from home, especially if you're a parent, period.

00:17:26.580 You know, you should be allowed to have your infant.

00:17:27.820 And if not, then you should be allowed to bring your infant to the office, and you should be allowed to take the breaks you need to, you know, do breast pumping, whatever, breastfeeding, and have the baby with you.

00:17:36.380 And ideally, again, in-house childcare should be a major and well-known benefit.

00:17:40.420 But this concept of needing to take leave to have a baby, I think, is incredibly toxic.

00:17:47.060 There is no strong historical basis for it, except for, like, literally, like, lying in as, you know, like a medieval European woman, which was way deadly.

00:17:56.940 Like, poor peasant women were able to have, just, like, pluck out kids, and they wouldn't die at the same rate, because they were still abdominally healthy and active, meaning they could push the poor thing out. 1.00

00:18:07.000 Whereas these women who were, like, were forced to stay in bed and actually take leave and take time off to have babies were, like, not able to push anything out.

00:18:15.320 It's because everyone today believes that they deserve and have a natural right to the life of an aristocrat.

00:18:21.260 Which is not even good.

00:18:22.760 Which is not even good.

00:18:23.960 Well, it's not even good.

00:18:25.200 I mean, it comes with all the negatives of an aristocratic life.

00:18:27.580 The ennui, the, like, the aristocrats in the past were really not the class you definitionally most wanted to be.

00:18:35.280 I mean, obviously, like, we would want to be aristocrats.

00:18:38.440 No, we'd want to be, like, a merchant family or something like that.

00:18:41.860 You know, still hardworking, something to do every day, but not the ennui laying around all day of these aristocratic women. 1.00

00:18:49.020 They had terrible existences.

00:18:51.260 That's all pretty stressful.

00:18:52.080 But, yeah, this is a major cultural norm that has to be gotten over.

00:18:57.280 This concept of, oh, being pregnant and having an infant takes you out of contention in life, period.

00:19:03.120 Like, that's, like, that is the time you should be leaning in to everything.

00:19:06.980 I mean, one, when you're waking up every three hours anyway, there's so much more work you can do.

00:19:11.260 But you have to be able to have that flexibility.

00:19:13.160 And we don't grant that to mothers, and that's a really big issue.

00:19:15.920 So, like, that really hits me, and it's this big bugaboo.

00:19:18.820 Hold on.

00:19:19.400 I want to talk about something else she does in this, which I think is really interesting.

00:19:23.280 The happiness thing?

00:19:23.940 It would be really cool if we could see things going this way is she refers to women who have kids as breeders. 0.89

00:19:30.020 And typically, you know, as in the perinatalist movement, breeders are what the opposition calls us as a way to insult us or try to dehumanize women who choose to have kids.

00:19:40.860 I mean, that's really the goal.

00:19:42.220 Like, the left is terrible at recognizing how frequently they turn to dehumanization as a tactic.

00:19:47.620 But breeders is how they dehumanize women who have taken the choice and the costly choice, as it is shown in this video, to do one of the single most important jobs, if not the single most important job that any human can undertake in our society. 0.73

00:20:02.980 And yet, it is a completely unrecognized and unglorified job in our society.

00:20:09.160 Like, these women receive nothing for it in terms of thanks, really, from society. 0.98

00:20:15.140 They get looked at like they're crazy people on airplanes.

00:20:17.460 Or even their kids these days, because then their kids refer to all the trauma that they inflicted upon them.

00:20:21.740 Well, all the made-up trauma, because, you know, if you're trying to, as we point out, if you're trying to convert somebody to a cult, the first thing you need to do is drive up an emotional wedge between them and their closest support network, which is usually their family.

00:20:32.180 And so psychologists invent trauma.

00:20:34.300 All trauma is self-inflicted.

00:20:35.580 You can see our video called this.

00:20:36.900 It's a very interesting take, because it goes really into the data on this.

00:20:40.940 Yes, data.

00:20:41.720 There is data showing.

00:20:42.620 We're not saying that bad things don't happen to people, and that that's terrible, and that shouldn't happen.

00:20:46.740 And what we're saying is the way that people interpret it as trauma, which is an additional form of harm, is self-inflicted.

00:20:54.980 It's self-inflicted by the data.

00:20:56.880 And so this is – I'd really love to see us retake this word, breeders, to be like – to call the people who are – whose society relies upon.

00:21:07.120 You, to own it.

00:21:08.240 It's such a gucky word.

00:21:09.860 Well, I mean, we'll see.

00:21:11.780 Well, the joy a child brings.

00:21:13.780 Well, actually, studies have shown that people without kids are happier.

00:21:16.380 Right, right, because of the aforementioned issues, right.

00:21:21.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:23.240 It is not a conducive environment.

00:21:25.320 It really isn't.

00:21:26.580 Don't get me started on once I wouldn't have the baby.

00:21:28.100 It's like – it's all dirty lips on the airplane and breastfeeding on public bathroom floors. 1.00

00:21:32.900 It is appalling how you treat your breeders.

00:21:35.760 It is. 1.00

00:21:36.700 Well, shit. 0.99

00:21:37.800 That's – that's not the answer I was hoping for. 1.00

00:21:40.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:41.680 Sorry about that.

00:21:44.360 Is there anything else I can do?

00:21:45.520 No, no.

00:21:46.460 That's the – that's the main thing I – that's the main thing I came for. 0.82

00:21:50.040 Shoot.

00:21:50.580 Okay. 0.66

00:21:51.000 Well, sorry I couldn't be more how.

00:21:52.320 Oh, no.

00:21:52.740 That's – that's okay.

00:21:53.860 That's all right.

00:21:54.360 It's – it's bleak out there.

00:21:55.940 Oh, my God.

00:21:56.460 For you or me.

00:21:57.160 Oh, yeah.

00:21:58.880 Yeah.

00:21:59.400 It sounds like you're dealing with some stuff.

00:22:00.840 I am.

00:22:01.500 I am.

00:22:02.040 Yeah.

00:22:02.240 Yeah, it doesn't get any better.

00:22:03.260 Oh, I'm not surprised.

00:22:04.060 So, what I really love about this from my perspective is that in truth, what she is saying is comical in an inverse way than she thinks it is.

00:22:17.220 Where she is complaining about all of the difficulties of being a mother in today's environment.

00:22:25.440 And one thing is pointed out, which is true.

00:22:27.300 It will not get easier in the future.

00:22:29.160 Like, it only gets harder from here.

00:22:31.120 Once our society, like, restabilizes the people who are having kids in the future, they will be having them under much worse conditions than humans who are alive today, at least for a couple generations. 0.62

00:22:39.880 Oh, yeah.

00:22:40.500 And you see this in the person that she's talking to in this destabilized world where, you know, obviously this woman in this destabilized world, you know, she understands the importance of having kids.

00:22:51.900 And she's doing it, but in a much harsher environment.

00:22:54.740 And this is also true when you contrast our challenges today with the challenges of our ancestors.

00:22:58.880 You know, she is concerned about social shaming on airplanes or having to do something a little gross on a public restroom floor. 1.00

00:23:08.800 Did you know that on average, women used to lose one tooth with every kid they had? 0.73

00:23:13.240 Remember, you told me that statistic.

00:23:15.260 No, one of our friends did, but I can't remember who.

00:23:18.180 Yeah.

00:23:18.340 So, the – just – and I really, like, I feel like people maybe don't understand how hard life was just a couple hundred years ago.

00:23:27.080 Yeah, but also, like, I've never breastfed a child on a restroom floor.

00:23:32.160 That's – you don't –

00:23:33.680 You don't have to do that.

00:23:34.580 No, that's the choice.

00:23:35.260 And we've fallen a lot with our children, but yeah, no.

00:23:38.780 But the larger point I'm making here, right, is one, I think they're self-inflicted things, right, or even as far as they are bad.

00:23:47.200 Just the life of a human today is so free from genuine suffering, even if you are fairly poor, is almost astonishing in a historic context.

00:24:00.320 We have individuals in our society today who are what people would think of as lower class.

00:24:05.480 So, this is, like, the people who, like, don't have a lot of stuff growing up.

00:24:09.800 And then they get surprised leaving school that they are expected to work for the rest of their life.

00:24:15.020 They have such of this aristocratic mindset, you know, that they aren't worried really about foodborne illnesses in a major way.

00:24:22.560 You know, they have refrigerated food.

00:24:24.780 They have all of these flavors that we used to fight wars over for, like, spices and stuff.

00:24:30.100 And now it's like, oh, which Dorito am I going to pay, you know, a dollar for?

00:24:34.800 They have so much food that their biggest problem is obesity, not a lack of food.

00:24:41.480 They have, they basically have no major diseases anymore.

00:24:45.220 And I mean this quite seriously.

00:24:47.300 People do not understand how horrifying it was to get a disease in a historic context.

00:24:51.620 Most people were living with just tons and tons and tons of just these terrible diseases.

00:24:56.060 I worked at the Smithsonian studying human evolution.

00:24:59.040 So I worked with a lot of early hominid skulls and things that you would see frequently.

00:25:02.460 It was, like, the bones sort of bubbled off from, like, funguses that it ate somebody's face off while they were alive.

00:25:07.960 No.

00:25:08.320 And stuff like that.

00:25:08.920 This is a fungus.

00:25:09.520 It would be trivial to kill today with antifungal.

00:25:11.420 Wow.

00:25:12.920 But in a historic context, nothing you could do. 0.98

00:25:15.240 Just bubble your face off.

00:25:17.000 But you kept trugging because you were doing it to make your children's life better.

00:25:22.120 And we were going through this intergenerational cycle of martyrdom.

00:25:24.980 And this generation finally was like, okay, I'm sort of cashing in.

00:25:29.140 I'm not going to pay it forward.

00:25:30.660 You know, with every instance of paying it forward, things got easier.

00:25:34.400 I'm just not going to do it because I deserve whatever I want whenever I feel like it.

00:25:38.560 Well, I mean, there's also the view of, like, oh, I do see the future as bleak and terrible.

00:25:43.980 You know, I can feel good about myself for not having any of my descendants go through that.

00:25:49.720 I mean, if you think the goal of human life is general utilitarianism and you have, like, the ethical mindset of a child.

00:25:56.020 Yeah, I mean, it is.

00:25:56.760 I'm sorry, Malcolm, but most people do get over it.

00:26:01.080 It is.

00:26:02.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

00:26:02.660 I just get over how stupid it is. 0.98

00:26:04.980 It is. 1.00

00:26:05.500 It is.

00:26:06.380 Honestly, general utilitarianism and negative utilitarianism.

00:26:09.940 Negative utilitarianism.

00:26:11.260 Both, I think, are pretty childish.

00:26:13.320 But general utilitarianism could also be used to justify what you were talking about if you think the world is going to be especially bleak in the future.

00:26:19.720 You know, sort of aggregating human happiness.

00:26:21.980 I would say it's like you had a bunch of paperclip maximizing AIs together in a room and they decide that good is more paperclips and bad is less paperclips.

00:26:32.500 And one guy is like, look, guys, I know that we are programmed to like paperclips.

00:26:37.640 But I really don't think that they have intrinsic value.

00:26:40.380 Maybe we should, like, try to think outside of paperclips for a second here.

00:26:43.780 And then another one is like, well, you wouldn't like it if I stopped you from making paperclips.

00:26:47.840 And then one's like, well, yes, obviously, I am programmed to like paperclips.

00:26:52.060 But what I'm saying here is can we think theoretically outside of what we were pre-coded to do?

00:26:57.780 You know, as we say, happiness is just, you know, what sort of was pre-coded pain is just sort of what was pre-coded into us by, you know,

00:27:03.200 which of our ancestors, the emotional subsets that motivated reproduction and survival and more offspring among our ancestors.

00:27:10.360 It's not like a true thing of the universe.

00:27:12.700 It's an accident.

00:27:13.840 It's a genetic scar.

00:27:15.500 Well, okay.

00:27:17.060 I will let you go back to your show.

00:27:19.980 What are you watching?

00:27:20.640 It's, okay.

00:27:21.800 It's a show called Real Housewives. 1.00

00:27:24.020 Ah, about real housewives, I gather.

00:27:26.120 No, not at all.

00:27:27.140 No.

00:27:27.280 Do you want to watch an episode?

00:27:30.520 Yeah.

00:27:31.520 Yeah, I got, I got time.

00:27:33.860 Okay.

00:27:34.540 Yeah.

00:27:37.240 Oh, that's weird.

00:27:38.400 I didn't think you had aliens yet.

00:27:40.140 Oh, no.

00:27:40.880 They all have plastic surgery.

00:27:44.180 Fascinating.

00:27:45.940 Beauty standard from the past.

00:27:48.160 Hmm.

00:27:49.040 Mm-hmm.

00:27:50.320 Yeah, it's elective.

00:27:51.400 They, they choose to look like that.

00:27:52.880 Yeah.

00:27:53.180 It also covers, I think, very well, like what we say humor is.

00:27:56.660 Humor is something that makes sense in context, but it's still surprising.

00:28:00.320 You know, to us, it, this is our theory of humor.

00:28:04.060 Every one of these things, you know, is about real housewives, right?

00:28:07.000 Oh, no, not at all.

00:28:08.220 Like, it's surprising because, you know, it's called the real housewives, but you're like,

00:28:11.940 yeah, but obviously also they're not real housewives. 1.00

00:28:14.200 The, what was the other joke there that I loved?

00:28:16.260 I didn't know you had aliens yet.

00:28:18.280 Yeah, and, um.

00:28:20.160 Well, what I think is most meaningful about this is like the default happy life that the 0.93

00:28:25.540 present day woman has is, and don't get me wrong, I watch shitty TV. 0.60

00:28:32.380 I love shitty TV, but I do not feel the deep level of contentment and satisfaction from it 0.79

00:28:39.320 that I do from spending quality time with our kids. 0.93

00:28:41.720 And, and so I just like, I would, I would say that like sort of the default hedonic comfort

00:28:46.860 that we are choosing to opt for instead of having kids is actually not that good.

00:28:53.780 And like, you know, we, we are, this is what your life will be without kids is, is you are

00:28:58.540 doing the male or female or non-binary equivalent of watching the real housewives, whatever that

00:29:04.560 may be.

00:29:04.840 Maybe you start collecting cars, maybe you, you know, get really into only fans, like

00:29:10.420 whatever, but it's not going to be, those are addictive, right?

00:29:15.980 Those.

00:29:16.200 No, I mean, oh, I love these.

00:29:17.760 There's so many little kids snacks that you forget how good they are.

00:29:20.900 Yeah.

00:29:21.140 But by the way, for people who are watching the audio of this, what, what are these

00:29:24.820 called?

00:29:25.340 Cheese?

00:29:26.060 Toast cheese.

00:29:27.180 Toast cheese.

00:29:28.420 Toasty cheese.

00:29:28.940 So this is a, no, no, the name of them is T-O-A-S-T cheek, but I think, are we, are we

00:29:35.300 going for like endorsements now?

00:29:36.740 Are we trying to get a sponsorship from Coors and Coca-Cola and Toast cheese?

00:29:43.380 I'd love it when we get to that stage.

00:29:44.940 So she, I think that's the lifestyle that she's portraying here is really the epitome

00:29:51.380 of the lifestyle that people are actually afraid of giving up.

00:29:53.800 They say they're busy.

00:29:55.000 They say they're overloaded and they're not counting all of the time that they're.

00:29:58.940 Not doing anything meaningful.

00:30:00.020 Watching people housewives in bed and just not doing that much with their lives.

00:30:03.840 And that their lives really are quite sad.

00:30:06.040 And this is something we're increasingly seeing in media is people getting older and realizing

00:30:10.840 just how much they actually did give up by not having kids.

00:30:14.260 One of the things that sort of stabilized in their lives and it's no longer an option

00:30:17.980 for them.

00:30:18.440 And we, as a foundation, keep having people reach out to us.

00:30:20.520 Oh, I'm too old to have kids.

00:30:21.460 And we're like, that's why we spend our money trying to get younger people to have kids.

00:30:24.340 Not so, you know, Frankenstein you into having kids because.

00:30:28.000 It would cost the amount of people we can reach with the amount that we can help just

00:30:32.860 one, you know, 45 year old woman have kids. 1.00

00:30:35.120 It's astronomical.

00:30:36.580 And so it's about convincing people earlier that like, this is something they need to

00:30:40.020 take seriously.

00:30:41.620 And.

00:30:42.960 Yeah.

00:30:43.500 Just, just the indolence of, of life is really.

00:30:48.740 Sad that this is what they're trading it for.

00:30:50.840 This is what they're trading the future of our species for.

00:30:53.180 But in many ways, I think it's a good thing.

00:30:55.780 And, you know, we, we have the track to, it will have gone live before this on this is

00:31:00.560 God's will, because really the people who succumb to these idle pleasures over the effort

00:31:06.120 of intergenerational human.

00:31:10.600 Intergenerationally expanding the human potentiality of this intergenerational cycle of martyrdom

00:31:15.080 that humanity has gone through.

00:31:16.360 If we take them to space, you know, that's dead weight, right?

00:31:20.020 Like we, we actually do need to go through this crucible as a species before we can become

00:31:26.180 a interstellar empire.

00:31:28.860 So, yeah.

00:31:30.040 All right.

00:31:30.540 We'll watch the last bit here.

00:31:32.300 And I think that's it.

00:31:32.980 I think it's just an ad.

00:31:34.800 Bummer.

00:31:35.420 Oh, but what I can do is read some of the comments.

00:31:38.560 Oh yeah.

00:31:38.980 And I have it on Twitter.

00:31:40.020 I'm just astonished that the human race lasted until 2453.

00:31:42.880 One person says on Twitter, the conclusion was still morally insane.

00:31:49.840 What was the conclusion?

00:31:52.100 Oh, like the, the woman from the future was like, oh yeah, why would you like, yeah, never 0.80

00:31:56.240 mind.

00:31:56.580 Sorry.

00:31:56.940 I guess there's, this is not going to happen.

00:32:00.980 I'm getting the exact opposite here.

00:32:02.520 I love the social critique and how they both just have to agree that a person could see this,

00:32:07.260 understand how bad things get and still be like, yeah, nah, it's easier just to sit

00:32:12.420 in bed and watch the Real Housewives.

00:32:14.280 Like I need to be paid a dramatic amount by the government to think about doing anything

00:32:18.640 else.

00:32:19.040 Now here's one reply that like represents a huge portion of the pernatalist movement that

00:32:24.400 gets my goat.

00:32:25.740 One guy says, so feminism is inherently antinatalist and egocentric. 1.00

00:32:30.060 I already knew that, but it's nice to hear you admit it.

00:32:32.800 And that's like, I hate blaming antinatalism or demographical apps on feminism because it 1.00

00:32:41.200 is on hedonism.

00:32:42.800 It is on culture, no longer supporting families.

00:32:45.460 This is a team effort and both men and women are failing here.

00:32:50.240 And I, I it's, it's not just that feminism is inherently antinatalist and egocentric. 1.00

00:32:56.040 We know so many women who want to meet men and want to have kids. 0.85

00:33:00.980 And those men are like, well, but I'm going to be polyamorous.

00:33:03.620 Okay.

00:33:03.940 And they're like, well, but how am I supposed to raise a kid with you?

00:33:06.940 Am I just supposed to like take a bet and hope that you don't like choose another primary

00:33:11.060 partner and leave me with a kid alone? 0.98

00:33:13.200 Like this is a, it takes two to tango and no, feminism is not solely responsible for 1.00

00:33:18.900 demographic collapse.

00:33:19.820 And it really pisses me off that people imply with comments like these, that the solution

00:33:24.140 is to just remove female rights. 1.00

00:33:28.380 Yeah.

00:33:29.520 Well, and one of the comments mentions as well here that happiness goes up.

00:33:33.140 If you have kids after 25 and are in a stable relationship, it goes down.

00:33:36.240 If you have them too early or when unprepared.

00:33:38.780 And I think that's probably true from the data, from what I've seen, but yeah, I mean,

00:33:42.460 it's, it's kids are a responsibility and we believe that life should be without responsibilities

00:33:49.240 now, you know, as wish has taught a generation, this is the latest Disney movie.

00:33:53.620 Anyone who doesn't just immediately grant everyone's wish with no effort is a villain.

00:34:00.140 Anyone who places responsibilities or reasonable expectations on individuals and in those individual

00:34:05.880 expectations as themselves, how could you be so horrifying?

00:34:09.280 This reminds me of an upcoming episode we'll be recording soon on Starship Troopers, the movie

00:34:13.920 being a quote unquote satire of fascism.

00:34:16.600 And it's like, but everything in that movie is better than our current universe.

00:34:21.400 And it is a democracy.

00:34:22.820 It's just a democracy in which people have to sacrifice something, a portion of their

00:34:29.200 life to either military or civil service in order to vote.

00:34:33.320 And they're like, well, that's, that's the key evil of it, right?

00:34:36.340 People have to make sacrifices.

00:34:38.040 And that's really where we've come as a society is the mere fact that somebody is asking you

00:34:44.380 to make some sort of even token sacrifice to get something in exchange.

00:34:48.280 That's what's seen as the core evil.

00:34:50.300 Well, anyway, I was glad we got to go over that together because I really liked that piece

00:34:53.520 and we'll see.

00:34:54.040 It's a really funny skit too.

00:34:55.640 Like it's just well done.

00:34:56.860 It's a good skit.

00:34:57.220 Yeah.

00:34:57.380 She did a great job. 0.95

00:34:58.500 I do really want to see a growth of a movement like this.

00:35:03.840 And this is one of the things that does sort of scare me.

00:35:06.820 And so now I'll get to the scary part of all of this.

00:35:09.120 Okay.

00:35:10.140 Which is as the left begins to recognize that fertility rates are really an issue,

00:35:16.520 they need to more institutionalize their answer as to why they're not doing anything

00:35:22.720 about it.

00:35:23.340 And the answer of racism just doesn't really hold water anymore was the rapid fall of fertility

00:35:28.720 rates in Latin America. 0.80

00:35:30.840 So it seems that the answer they're coming to is humanity should just die. 0.91

00:35:36.820 And that there's no reason for humans to be here or anything like that.

00:35:39.580 Like that's how they justify their, it's so interesting.

00:35:42.720 It really reminds me of the right back in the day when people would point out like environmental

00:35:45.880 destruction and they're like, well, the environment is here to serve us.

00:35:48.180 It's like a disposable thing.

00:35:49.300 And when we're done, then we'll be raptured.

00:35:50.820 So don't worry about it.

00:35:51.720 Um, and the left very much treats humanity in the same way.

00:35:55.820 Ah, it's like a disposable thing.

00:35:57.040 We've had our go.

00:35:58.060 And I think that what scares me is if this becomes a mainstream position, if the antinatalists 0.96

00:36:04.820 get into mainstream positions of power throughout society, when you can watch our antinatalist

00:36:08.740 videos to see just how unhinged they are.

00:36:10.320 You know, one of the things I was looking at about antinatalist philosophy, because antinatalists

00:36:13.660 seem to think it's like the most logical, like, like obvious thing.

00:36:17.060 And I'd look to see if any other group in human history had ever come to their positions.

00:36:21.380 Because, you know, there've been a lot of philosophers in human history.

00:36:23.560 No, it's a completely new movement.

00:36:25.140 Really, no one had these ideas before the 1900s that it like the asymmetry hypothesis and

00:36:31.460 stuff like that.

00:36:32.220 And if you want to see our rebuttals to these, you can look up our video.

00:36:35.920 There's a group that wants all humans dead and is weirdly reasonable about it.

00:36:39.100 So the antinatalists, as they grow, they become a real threat because a lot of them really 1.00

00:36:44.700 do want to end all life on the planet.

00:36:47.020 And the last time we had a world conflict, you know, I think the song, at least the Russians 1.00

00:36:53.600 love their children, too. 0.96

00:36:55.040 It's such an ignorant thing to do if the Russians love their children, too. 0.81

00:37:02.560 You know, shows that no matter how bad the conflict got in the nuclear war, we had this 0.80

00:37:09.440 understanding that at least those in power across society loved their children and wanted

00:37:16.280 humanity to continue on into the future.

00:37:18.620 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 We no longer have that guarantee with this growth of the antinatalism within the leftist communities.

00:37:26.660 And what it means is in order to self-justify, justify why they are unwilling to make sacrifices

00:37:33.180 on behalf of our species and just do whatever, because the left has created this promise of

00:37:37.320 like, do whatever you want, whenever you want, and everything will turn out fine, you know,

00:37:42.620 so long as it doesn't interfere with other people's lives.

00:37:45.040 And of course, this is unable to motivate the type of sacrifice that's necessary for intergenerational

00:37:48.620 fertility rates.

00:37:49.340 So they need to.

00:37:50.820 Well, we no longer have this guarantee because this idea is going to spread that our

00:37:56.640 opponents do love their children, too, or do care about the species anymore.

00:38:00.900 They are willing to, if they don't get their way, like a child throwing a temper tantrum,

00:38:05.600 because many of them still have this very childlike mindset, just hit the button to end everything.

00:38:10.000 And then, and they demuse about it.

00:38:11.580 You can go to the FLSM subreddit, like, how can I get control of enough, you know, nuclear

00:38:15.900 weapons to nuke the world, you know?

00:38:17.940 And it is, it is going to become an increasingly common mindset.

00:38:21.720 And I think an increasingly huge threat to the world.

00:38:26.160 And I do not think that it's something that people are really coming through, through logic,

00:38:29.460 as you have seen in our video.

00:38:31.320 It shows this is the current anti-natalist community.

00:38:33.340 Most of these people, if you look at the statistics, they disproportionately show narcissistic

00:38:38.260 traits, this psychotic anti-social traits, stuff like that.

00:38:41.700 But I think that a lot of people who are just sort of NPCs and need to justify why they

00:38:47.560 who see themselves as good people aren't trying to save the future of our species, now that

00:38:51.140 it is clear that we have this existential threat, the only answer they can come to is it's better

00:38:55.880 to let the species die.

00:38:57.840 And then they'll start fighting for this made-up answer that justifies their current behavior.

00:39:02.080 Yeah.

00:39:03.440 No, it's bleak.

00:39:05.080 But I love when people can frame something bleak in a fun way.

00:39:08.580 That makes me laugh.

00:39:09.360 Yeah.

00:39:10.060 So, thanks.

00:39:11.620 Well, I love you, Simone.

00:39:13.120 I love you, too, so much.

00:39:15.220 And I'm glad that you have the level of creativity required to point out that, oh, you can have

00:39:23.200 a family and not give anything up.

00:39:25.140 Everything can be yes and.

00:39:26.560 And it totally can, which I love.

00:39:29.320 So, thanks for that.

00:39:31.600 All right.

00:39:32.220 Love you.

00:39:34.140 Which I just love the mild smile that appears on your face sometimes.

00:39:39.360 Oh, God.

00:39:42.580 If I were a good illustrator, I would illustrate a page of all of the different Malcolm faces

00:39:47.140 because they're so entertaining.

00:39:49.680 You've all these different ones you do.

00:39:51.660 You're different Malcolm faces.

00:39:53.540 Oh, gosh.

00:39:54.280 You get what?

00:39:54.800 You like seeing me laugh and stuff when I'm...

00:39:56.780 No, you have, like, all these different little weird things you do with your face, and I

00:40:00.540 love it.

00:40:01.080 And I want to illustrate them all, but lack the talent.

00:40:05.820 I'll be able to see whatever you were laughing at this time because this is recorded in editing.

00:40:11.040 That's true.

00:40:11.960 Yeah.

00:40:12.280 I just have to capture that one face you do that I always try to capture.

00:40:16.140 And then as soon as I try to take my camera out.

00:40:17.640 The angry face.

00:40:18.340 But hold on.

00:40:18.800 We got to talk about the show, Simone.

00:40:20.780 The show.

00:40:21.440 Yeah.

00:40:21.620 So...

00:40:22.180 So...

Based Camp - February 27, 2024

The Best Pronatalist Comedy We Have Seen (Julie Nolke)

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