The Biggest Lie Pronatalist Tell (The Hungary Fertility Myth)
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The pro-family policies pursued by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban s government as an alternative to mass immigration are reaping dividends. With births up 9.4% year on year, much ridiculed policies were also accompanied by a near 100% increase in marriages in the number of children per woman, rising to 1.6.
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this Breitbart piece. The pro-family policies pursued by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban's
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government as an alternative to mass immigration are reaping dividends, with births up 9.4% year
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on year. Much ridiculed policies were also accompanied by a near 100% increase in marriages
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in the number of children per woman, rising to an average of 1.6. If you look at the data,
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actually Hungary underwent a smaller fertility bump than its neighboring country.
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Oh no. So here I am showing a article from the end of 2023, Daily News Hungary. Number of children
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born in Hungary at a historic low in 2023. Huh. Okay, that shouldn't be happening. All right,
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let's look at another thing by this outlet. Brutal population decline. Hungarians are dropping like
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flies. Oh, that was published in 2023. What? That's not the narrative I was reading. So the
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Hungarian, where they measure these informations, is called the Center of Statistics Office, or the KSH.
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So I just sent you the KSH graph of the number of births in Hungary. This bump we're seeing on the
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national aggregate graphs does not appear in the own country's reporting. Would you like to know more?
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Hello, Simone. I am excited, though trepidatious, to be here with you today because today we are going
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to do what is probably going to be one of our more controversial videos, which is one that I have
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been actually sitting on for a long time because I haven't wanted to do it because it is a video
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where we are unfortunately going to have to criticize a common thread within the pronatalist movement
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movement. And among people who are sympathetic to the movement's cause, who are promoting
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information that unless you do a very deep dive, you would not be aware is misinformation.
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And so I do not think that it is being promoted with any malevolent intent. It is more just here
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is information that confirms my political presuppositions. Therefore, I'm not going to
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look at it inquisitively or skeptically. Well, we should add that it seems intuitive. So you
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wouldn't think of the face of it that it's going to be wrong. And so I would love it if you could
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start to introduce people to the mainstream pronatalist perspective on this. Read this Breitbart piece
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I sent you. And let me just say it begins with a picture of what I think should be our entire family's
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new outfit, these traditional Hungarian dresses and women apparently being splashed with water. I just find
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it perfect. Anyway, I shall read. The pro-family policies pursued by Hungarian Prime Minister
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Viktor Orban's government as an alternative to mass immigration are reaping dividends with births of
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9.4% year on year. Edward von Halsberg, the Central European country's ambassador to the Holy See and great
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grandson of Emperor Franz Josef I of Austria-Hungary, reported that the, quote, much ridiculed, unquote,
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policies were also accompanied by a near 100% increase in marriages in the number of children
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per woman rising to an average of 1.6. The population has been decreasing since 1981, unquote,
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said Kathleen Novak, Hungary's state secretary for family, youth and international affairs,
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in exclusive comments to Breitbart London, explaining the enormity of the turnaround her government has
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achieved. Quote, in 2010, when Orban's Fidesz party won the elections with a two-thirds majority after
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eight years of socialist anti-work, anti-economy and anti-family governance, our country was at the brink
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of collapse, she recalled, citing, quote, austerity packages and the dismantling of the family benefit
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system. Quote, in 2010, we started to build a family-friendly country, dot. Our main goal is to
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eliminate the burdens that couples face when they would like to have children, she said,
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highlighting policies including, quote, lifelong exemption from personal income tax for women with
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four children. Oh, that would be me if we were in Hungary. Can you imagine? Can I imagine? We set
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aside 38% of our income because PA's income tax is also not trivial. Partial mortgage write-offs for
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families after birth of their second child and grandparent will leave. Oh, that's smart. See,
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all these things sound good to me, Malcolm. Quote, the recent demographic figures speak for
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themselves. The number of marriages is at a 40-year high. The fertility rate is at its 20-year high,
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while the divorces haven't been as low as last year. In the last six decades, she added proudly.
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I love that they have to show her smugness. I will, and you can mention the tweet that they have here,
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right? Yes, below there's a tweet by Edward Habsburg. Oh, Habsburg. He says, ready for some good news?
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The much ridiculed Hungarian family politics is showing results. In January 2020, 9.4% more births
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than last year, almost 100% more marriages and children per women from 1.4 to 1.6.
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Yeah, so you see all this. And first, I'd point out that you've got to understand why Breitbart wants
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this to be true, right? If you look at just the very next paragraph, the Secretary of State,
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herself a mother of three, was forced right when pressed to comment on the past remarks of outlets
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such as the left liberal Economist magazine, which rubbished the Hungarian government's aspirations
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to arrest its demographic decline through so-called natalist policies rather than mass migration,
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as Western European countries such as Britain, Germany, and Sweden have attempted.
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So- By the way, is that how British people say trashed? I love that.
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The point being is that if I am coming into this like a Bart Reiner or something like that,
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What I am contrasting here is mass migration as a solution to fertility collapse versus what
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they are calling pro-family policies, which I think in a historic sense, most conservatives
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who weren't so blinded by sectarianism within our own country would call socialism and government
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handouts. And it's not to say that I'm against it for that reason. I'm just saying this is not a
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conservative solution. It is a slightly more conservative solution than mass migration,
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but it is not. And we need to talk about the scale of these handouts. 5% of Hungary's GDP
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is going to these programs. Okay. So the other thing I want to note here-
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Wait, hold on. What percent of GDP does the U.S. spend on various things?
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So if you want to get that in context, within the U.S., if you're looking at the total amount
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So I wouldn't say it's an unwarranted amount, right?
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And also that's, I'm glad that we're spending on R&D.
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And I'd also point out that the Breitbart article that wrote on this did not explicitly lie
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What the report was reporting, and it's important to note this because Simone didn't do this when
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she was reading, is she didn't mention all the quotations used. She didn't say,
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quote, X, end quote, by Y, which hid that almost every time they were talking about a statistic
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Now, the problem is that the individuals they were quoting were Hungarian bureaucrats and
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politicians that had put their careers on the line to get this bill passed.
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Mm. Oh, so it's like in China when they implemented a new family bonus policy in two months, suddenly
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all these politicians were like, and now fertility's way up.
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There was this famous case in China recently where they gave all of this money out to get
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fertility up. And then some government bureaucrat who was just sleeping on it, within two months
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it released a thing saying, huge number of birth increase since the implementation of
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the new policy. And everyone in China was joking on their Weibo and stuff like that,
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that like they, they gave out such a big handout that it shortened the lengths of pregnancy.
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Yeah, now we have the same like pregnancy gestation length as like a dog.
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Yeah. So look at these reports and I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't trust the very government
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bureaucrats who are pushing this policy's perspective on how well this policy worked.
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I think what I need to do is I need to look at what the demographers are saying.
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Hmm. Okay. Now you've got to keep in mind, there are a lot of shady left-leaning demographers
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out there that are going to attempt to hide things. The problem is that generally they are
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motivated to attempt to increase fertility stats so that nobody does anything about it
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instead of artificially decreased fertility stats, which can make going into this really
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hard. Typically, if you want the worst fertility stats that you're going to get, what you should
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look at is the fertility stat aggregators. And I assume that's what a lot of people do when
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they're looking at this particular instance here. So I'm going to pull up one of these aggregators
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right here. This is database fertility stats, but it's not going to look that different from
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Yeah. Technically from 2019 to 2020, the line doesn't go down and the line isn't flat,
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is it? Yeah. It was basically flat. But you do have a period of increase here,
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And it does look like you could make a claim with its information that the hungry fertility
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policy is working. The problem is these big national aggregators are next to useless when
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trying to determine a country's fertility rate. And this is what I've really learned as Latin America,
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where fertility rates are changing very rapidly right now, is that you can really only get
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accurate fertility data from on the ground sources and from local demographers. So that's what I mean
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by like government databases and stuff like that. So it's okay. Let's look at some other sources
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because this one would broadly back up. And I think that this is why a lot of people haven't realized
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because they're going to the national aggregators and the national aggregators are backing up the
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conservative narrative that Hungary's fertility stats are working right now. So now we're going to
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look at something else. So let's look at what's happening in local media in Hungary right now.
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So here I am showing a article from the end of 2023, Daily News Hungary. Number of children born in Hungary
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at a historic low in 2023. Huh. Okay. That shouldn't be happening. All right. Let's look at another
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thing by this outlet. Brutal population decline. Hungarians are dropping like flies. Oh, that was
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published in 2023. What? That's not the narrative I was reading. Okay. I'll go to academic sources.
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Those will give me some information, right? Here I have pulled up a
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academic study. And this study is titled the propensity to have children in Hungary with some
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examples from other European countries. Okay. And this was published in 2022. Okay.
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Many European governments, including that of Hungary are spending a significant portion of GDP
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on family support to prevent family decline. Despite these efforts, we have not seen any
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significant increase in the TFR. In this article, we explain the decisions of families not to have
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children by using a more stringent formulation of Beckard's original quantity trade-off. And we point
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out that increasing family support expenditure has not achieved that goal. But now you might be like,
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wait, how could it say that if they're looking at anything close to the other numbers that I've been
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looking at? How do we square this? What's the first question you would ask if you saw these
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Hungarian fertility stats and you showed this rise after they were supposedly implemented?
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What's the first question you're going to ask? Did something else happen? Basically, like how was
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the first question I would ask is for the fertility stats of the neighboring countries with similar
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numbers? Oh, at the same time. Yeah. Pardon me. I was really distracted mentally too by the pandemic.
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I think a lot of nations, remember there was talk about this. I haven't seen like aggregated data,
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but there's a lot of talk about during the pandemic, there being a baby bump in many nations because
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suddenly women were working from home or not working at all. People were kind of left at home.
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Yes. So if you look at the data, actually hungry underwent a smaller fertility bump than its neighboring
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country. Oh no. Oh, that's so bad. Oh, that's what we've been told. Okay. Now let's go look at
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another graph that is very important. So I did some more digging to try to find a better sort of picture
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of what's going on locally in Hungary. And I had to, in a search to find the Hungarian government's
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data sets because that's what I really wanted here. Sure. Okay. I was like, okay, let's get the
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Hungarian horse's mouth. Exactly. Okay. So the Hungarian population where they measure these
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informations is called the center of statistics office or the KSH. Okay. Okay. So I just sent you
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the KSH graph of the number of births in Hungary. This bump we're seeing on the national aggregate graphs
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does not appear in the own country's reporting. In fact, you see no effect from these policies.
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There's a tiny, in 2020, there's a tiny bump, but then it goes down again.
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Yeah. Tiny bump. But yeah, we are dealing with the lowest number, the lowest fertility rate Hungary
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has ever had by their government's own departments that are meant to research this.
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The marriage rate is also lower. So I'll just read this article that's been translated from
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Hungarian. So according to preliminary data in December, 2023, 6,565 children were born and 11,727
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people died compared to December, 2022. The number of births decreased by 12%, the number of deaths by
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7.2% and marriages by 4.1%. So we are seeing a decrease in marriages as well. The other thing that
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they were touting last year, 857,000 children were born 3.7% less than the previous year. And
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if you go when it was really interesting, they also have death rates here, which they're much
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in, I don't know, for whatever reason within Hungary, the sources that are reporting on this
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are interested in the higher death rate that Hungary is seeing recently, which I suppose if you
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are, yeah, but if you, if you want to get an idea of how fast marriages are falling, 50,000 couples
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got married 22% less than the year before. Because there should, I don't remember the article
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mentioning many marriage benefits. It was really more about tax incentives for having kids.
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And this is for a magazine in Hungary called The Index. So I'm left in a bind here, right? Like I have
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to look at the various sources and try to, and this is a difficult thing in the world that we live in
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today. Like there aren't easy sources you can turn to and say, this is what's true. This is what's not
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true. So we'll lay out the data that we have available to us. People who risked their careers
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to support this policy say that it worked fantastically. The big national aggregators that
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are often wrong in fertility statistics seem to indicate that those individuals are right,
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or at least that there was a bump in fertility and then a level of stagnation after that,
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which is what you often get with these policies. So what you actually see when you see this bump and
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then stagnation, you're not actually seeing a fertility increase. You're seeing a difference
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in when people decided to have kids. So people who would have been having kids later or something
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like that, then decide to have it earlier to get this cash while it's available.
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So it's similar to what you like in China, for example, when it's like a
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zodiac year that is particularly auspicious. Then we have an academic study, which I'm going
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to assume has left-leaning biases, but that is good at showing the Hungarian's increase in fertility
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rate, which is lower than claimed in the other sources, is less than its neighboring countries
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around the same time period. So if I was just looking at those sources, my take would be leaning
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towards the Breitbart take, which is to say that these policies probably had at least a short-term
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positive impact. But then I'm dealing with what the local press is saying and what the local
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statistics department is saying, which is showing that they are now at their lowest fertility rate
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that they've ever had in terms of the number of births that are being recorded was in Hungary.
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So this is like registered births. This is like down to the human being in these statistics.
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This is not like guesses or something like that, or like broad TFR rates is lower than it's ever
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been in Hungary's history. Okay. I see that. I see the number of registered marriages. These are
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marriages registered with the government are decreasing like 22% year over year. I see that
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my thought or my takeaway from all of this is actually the answer is probably that these policies
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did not work. Especially when you look at vis-a-vis other nations around the same time for the
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reported hikes. So what happened here and what does this tell us like as pro natals when we're pushing
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for stuff and why is it important to highlight the Hungary fertility myth? One is because it leads to bad
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policy decisions and decisions that I think fundamentally go against the political sensibilities
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of the individuals that are pushing them. They are pushing for government action, government
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meddling within families, and they don't realize that when the government bureaucracy, which is
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predominantly controlled by far leftists, gets a hold of these policies, they will use it to meddle
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with family policies. They will use it to give out higher bonuses to specific ethnic groups that they
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believe are more deserving of human dignity than other ethnic groups. They will give it to certain
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family structures that they think are more deserving of human dignity than other family structures.
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And it is not, you do not want to be promoting this false narrative that this works. First of all,
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even for your own political perspective. Two, you're just wasting money and time. I'm actually not so
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worried about the wasted money because a lot of it would go to us. We're happy about that.
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Yeah. If someone's going to blow a bunch of cash and we get to benefit, who cares?
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Yeah. What I am worried about is the wasted time. Because countries like Korea that have spent billion
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dollars attempting to fix this over the last 16 years, they think, oh, I'm working on this because
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I'm spending money on this. Yeah. They can't afford to let it go. Yeah. This doesn't work.
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Yeah. It's like preparing for nuclear fallout by creating like a fallout center in a cardboard box
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or something. And you're like, wow, this looks so cool. Like I added windows, but it's really not
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going to do it. Yes. It's a nuclear bunker. That's not actually going to save you.
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What should you do if a volcano erupts near you or your family? Suddenly, daughter,
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here's a noise. It's a volcano. Junior seems worried, but have no fear, Junior. Jane learned
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in school what to do when you hear a volcano erupt. That's right, Jane. Duck and cover.
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So what will you do when you hear a volcano erupting?
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That's right. Duck and cover. Looks like you got the idea. Duck. That has got to be the most
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ridiculous load of pig crap I have ever seen. That's a dump out of you.
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And then this leads me to another problem we have. Like, it's actually super related to the subject.
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One of my favorite graphs in the industry is very interesting. It was in the industry of
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prenatalism, and I'll put it on screen again, which shows studies that show government incentive
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programs and the impact they have on fertility rates. So that graph that I have mentioned so
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many times that it shows a correlation between studies that demonstrate effectiveness of government
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spending and the margin of error of those studies. What I haven't mentioned before when I've been
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putting this is the person who put this graph together did not seem to realize that's what the graph
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was showing. It was presented by an organization called the Institute for Family Studies by Lyman
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Stone in an article titled, Pronatalist Policies Work But Come With A Hefty Price Tag. And this is where we
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have a problem within the pronatalist movement, not just around the hungry thing, which is the tendency
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to, like Breitbart and like Lyman Stone does in this article, he presents real data, but then he pretends
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pretends that the data is supporting something. It's literally supporting the exact opposite of.
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It's almost like I'll throw a bunch of data on screen and say that it's saying X, when it's not
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really saying X, it's saying Y. But the trick works most of the time because most people, if they're
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like, oh, someone presented data, they don't actually look at what's being said. Yeah. And this gets me
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because we've become the default leaders of the pronatalist movement. And the one thing I never want our
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movement to become is the environmentalist movement, a movement that is willing to twist
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data to their ends and that's willing to push aesthetic solutions that fit their government
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ideals. Oh, let's shut down nuclear power plants, even though that makes things worse.
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Let's stop using plastic straws because that's an excuse for governments to like meddle in people's
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daily lives, even though it doesn't really have that much of a meaningful impact. Let's promote
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masks, even though that now that's the huge waste dump in the middle of the ocean now.
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And I don't want to become that as a movement. And I think that I want to have a movement that is
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always supportive of everybody who's trying to work alongside us to promote the things that we're
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promoting. We want to be very careful that we do also call out when people are lying with statistics
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is the wrong answer, because I don't think that any of these individuals like realize that they are
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lying. I think that they do a very natural thing that you and I do as well. Every human does
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that when statistics push something that they want to be true, they uncritically accept those
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statistics. But when statistics seem to be pushing something that they don't want to be true,
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they then do a deeper dive. They look for the sources. They are like, OK, let's cross check this
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with a bunch of other studies. And this becomes a problem when our goal with the fertility collapse
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situation is not just to get our team to win. It's to actually solve the problem, to actually
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lower the pain that this problem is going to cause and to actually get some sliver of our
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civilization through this crucible our species is entering right now. And I think that if we
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don't call out where this is happening, that's never going to happen.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's the battle between approaching demographic collapse as though it's a Rorschach
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test of your values and what you want to have happen versus approaching it from an evidence-based
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perspective. And this happens with pretty much every wicked problem out there, a problem that's
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too complicated to simply solve. But we can't get caught in that trap. We can't afford to.
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Yeah. And I would also point out that people should be careful when sharing Lyman Stone's work.
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You and casting shade on Lyman Stone, Malcolm Collins.
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I can't even. I wonder, I don't think he would do it if he wasn't so snarky every single time we
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Yeah, no, it's actually something that happens to us a lot. So we'll say something nice about
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him on Twitter and he'll snap back at us angrily. But it makes sense. I can understand. He was around
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this topic before we were, but he always used the topic to just promote a Christian agenda. That's
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always been his goal. And so he will manipulate the way he's looking at data to promote that
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or promote shady studies. But we're always going to have to be aware that there are going to be
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people that try to hijack this real phenomenon that we're dealing with right now, which is falling
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fertility rates and then utilize that to push their personal agendas. Whether their personal agenda
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is a racist agenda or a embryos or when life starts agenda, which if you correlate that with
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fertility rates, that appears to lower fertility rates, the stricter your abortion laws are within
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like Europe and stuff like that. We've done other videos where we talk about this. They'll
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attempt to use this to push an anti-immigration agenda. And it's not to say that I think the U.S.
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should be more anti-immigration than it is now. But fertility has nothing to do with that.
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And I think that's the whole reason why you wanted to be in the movement is that you saw that the only
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people in the movement were not actually pro-natalist. They were pro-Christian, pro-some
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ethnic group, pro-some immigration policy. And you actually wanted there to be a non-profit effort
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in this space that was literally just about brokering a soft landing on demographical apps.
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Well, we're about more than that because we have a, where we differ from just like,
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just brokering a soft landing is we definitely point out that the problem from an economic
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perspective and from a socio-political perspective, isn't a lack of people. It's a lack of taxpayers
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and promoting the creation of additional people who will be a burden to the state system
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is not solving the problem. And by this, what we mean is cash handouts are disproportionately of
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high utility to people with lower incomes. And so when you do just pure cash handouts, which isn't
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what Hungary was doing in this scenario, you will lead to, and you can see this, I'm not making a
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genetic argument here or anything like this. It's just very clear in the data. People born to
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families that are on welfare are much more likely to be on welfare than people who are not. And if
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you increase that population, you have literally made the problem worse. It's not a, just a base
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human problem. It's not a human problem. It's a human taxpayer, human pension contributor problem.
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Yes. And people working at these large tech companies and stuff like that. And it requires
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understanding that even if we accept the left's perception of true blanketism, humanity,
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all humans are born equally potential as other humans. Then why aren't they able to fix this
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problem? Why is it this? Clearly we haven't come up with a solution to get these people into these
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high positions with reliability in our economic system. And you can't bet our entire civilization
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on you figuring that out within a generation, which the current data shows you are further
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from fixing than you were historically. Like the graphs that show that if you look at how democratic
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versus Republican a region is, and then you look at the IQ gap between Hispanic and black and white
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populations, they are smaller in Republican controlled regions and larger in Democrat controlled
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districts, showing that these affirmative action policies are actually further creating
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institutional poverty cycles within these circles. It's not to say that we can't create a policy
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that does allow these communities to uplift themselves, but whatever the policy is, it is
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likely the exact opposite of whatever progressives are doing right now. And since they are not moving
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in an exact opposite direction of their history with this affirmative action and stuff like that,
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what that shows me is we can't bet on that being the solution when we're dealing with such an
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existential issue to our species right now, i.e. the collapse of our economic and state system.
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And people hear that and they go, oh, rich people are going to lose their money. Wah. And it's no,
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old people are going to starve to death. Wah. Oh, people who thought that they, old people are going to die
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in a horrible pain in poverty. The blight porn you can look up of Detroit is going to span across most of the
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developed world and people are going to be dying and suffering at rates that right now you would see on the
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streets of countries like South Africa, which is a first world country. And again, this affects not the high
00:28:13.640
income people that are being like demonized. This is middle class and lower class communities that are going to
00:28:20.240
suffer. The high income people aren't going to be really affected. They're fine. They're mostly going to move to like
00:28:24.620
charter cities and stuff like that. And they're going to use AI to solve other problems. And they're always going to be
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able to find and pay people to do what they need. It is not them. So anyway, thanks for going over this,
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Malcolm. I really appreciate it. Yeah. And it's just important that we call this stuff out when we
00:28:37.720
see it because it is, and I haven't wanted to do this. I've been sitting on this for a while. I've
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been like, look, I don't want to point out that a lot of the movement is just wrong about the hungry
00:28:44.760
fertility stats. They do not appear to have worked, but they don't. I'm glad you said it. It's useful to know
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because it's not only is this data true, but again, it could be used for malevolent means because I
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talked about the groups that want to use this crisis for their own ends as much as right now,
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like the globalists want to, and when I say the globalists, I don't mean this in like a vague
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sense, organizations like the United Nations, which is intrinsically a globalist organization
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want to lower the world's fertility rates. They could just as well turn on a dime and say fertility
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collapses the problem. Therefore we need to control family creation, family planning, the type of
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marriages that are allowed, the type of marriages that we are going to promote with cash. They could
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use this to extend control over family and child rearing that we have never seen historically.
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And I would say buckle up if you are giving them data that gives them ammunition for doing things
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like that. Totally. No, thanks Malcolm. I love you. Love you. I didn't really go long. I was making up for
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all the gas. Told you. I keep recommending it on our podcast. I'm like, people need to check out this
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show. It's very well done. Because it's, he doesn't just talk about what's going on with. He uses it to
00:29:57.980
talk about Korean history, which I actually find very boring because I know all that history very well.
00:30:02.560
So for me, it's like going over like basic American history, but for our average viewer,
00:30:06.320
it'd be really useful. I mean, it's, it allows you to really appreciate in the most profound fashion
00:30:11.560
what's going on. Imagine watching a ballet and not understanding what goes in creating the form and the
00:30:17.740
movements. It would be the most boring thing in the entire world. But if you have someone walk you
00:30:21.540
through, here's the history, here's the meaning, here's like how this, where this emerged from,
00:30:26.000
like French court dance. Here's why the way that they're angling their hips and toes is both
00:30:30.780
difficult and requires years of conditioning. And then you're like, oh, okay. And this is not just
00:30:34.520
like men and women being pissy anymore. It's about like neo-Confucianism. Yeah. So what's going on
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with Hungary? That part's going to go at the end of the video, by the way. I never do the
00:30:46.160
non sequiturs at the beginning. Oh, I, we hit record after I mentioned it. So there's no point
00:30:50.760
in putting it in at all. Oh, you were talking about the gotcha gang war thing. Yeah. But I'm
00:30:57.920
going to send you some private chats. Okay. I think the best way to do this one is to start
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where I'm going to do a framing and then I'm going to have you read this particular piece that
00:31:07.320
I just dropped in here. Yeah. That works. And you can, don't start with the subtitle.
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Oh, this is the, yeah. The one that was linked to from that other Breitbart article that we read.
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Yeah. I'll just get started right now. Hold on. I think I'm going to sneeze and then we're good.