Based Camp - The Biggest Lie Pronatalist Tell (The Hungary Fertility Myth)

00:00:00.000 this Breitbart piece. The pro-family policies pursued by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban's

00:00:05.320 government as an alternative to mass immigration are reaping dividends, with births up 9.4% year 0.83

00:00:11.000 on year. Much ridiculed policies were also accompanied by a near 100% increase in marriages

00:00:17.620 in the number of children per woman, rising to an average of 1.6. If you look at the data,

00:00:23.620 actually Hungary underwent a smaller fertility bump than its neighboring country.

00:00:27.880 Oh no. So here I am showing a article from the end of 2023, Daily News Hungary. Number of children

00:00:42.240 born in Hungary at a historic low in 2023. Huh. Okay, that shouldn't be happening. All right,

00:00:50.260 let's look at another thing by this outlet. Brutal population decline. Hungarians are dropping like 1.00

00:00:56.380 flies. Oh, that was published in 2023. What? That's not the narrative I was reading. So the

00:01:03.540 Hungarian, where they measure these informations, is called the Center of Statistics Office, or the KSH.

00:01:08.960 So I just sent you the KSH graph of the number of births in Hungary. This bump we're seeing on the

00:01:15.760 national aggregate graphs does not appear in the own country's reporting. Would you like to know more?

00:01:20.680 Hello, Simone. I am excited, though trepidatious, to be here with you today because today we are going

00:01:27.440 to do what is probably going to be one of our more controversial videos, which is one that I have

00:01:33.180 been actually sitting on for a long time because I haven't wanted to do it because it is a video

00:01:38.120 where we are unfortunately going to have to criticize a common thread within the pronatalist movement

00:01:44.520 movement. And among people who are sympathetic to the movement's cause, who are promoting

00:01:50.340 information that unless you do a very deep dive, you would not be aware is misinformation.

00:01:59.380 And so I do not think that it is being promoted with any malevolent intent. It is more just here

00:02:05.160 is information that confirms my political presuppositions. Therefore, I'm not going to

00:02:11.560 look at it inquisitively or skeptically. Well, we should add that it seems intuitive. So you

00:02:17.080 wouldn't think of the face of it that it's going to be wrong. And so I would love it if you could

00:02:21.380 start to introduce people to the mainstream pronatalist perspective on this. Read this Breitbart piece

00:02:29.240 I sent you. And let me just say it begins with a picture of what I think should be our entire family's

00:02:34.600 new outfit, these traditional Hungarian dresses and women apparently being splashed with water. I just find

00:02:41.400 it perfect. Anyway, I shall read. The pro-family policies pursued by Hungarian Prime Minister

00:02:47.320 Viktor Orban's government as an alternative to mass immigration are reaping dividends with births of 1.00

00:02:52.740 9.4% year on year. Edward von Halsberg, the Central European country's ambassador to the Holy See and great

00:03:00.860 grandson of Emperor Franz Josef I of Austria-Hungary, reported that the, quote, much ridiculed, unquote,

00:03:07.400 policies were also accompanied by a near 100% increase in marriages in the number of children

00:03:12.960 per woman rising to an average of 1.6. The population has been decreasing since 1981, unquote,

00:03:20.580 said Kathleen Novak, Hungary's state secretary for family, youth and international affairs,

00:03:25.360 in exclusive comments to Breitbart London, explaining the enormity of the turnaround her government has

00:03:30.720 achieved. Quote, in 2010, when Orban's Fidesz party won the elections with a two-thirds majority after

00:03:38.840 eight years of socialist anti-work, anti-economy and anti-family governance, our country was at the brink

00:03:45.240 of collapse, she recalled, citing, quote, austerity packages and the dismantling of the family benefit

00:03:51.200 system. Quote, in 2010, we started to build a family-friendly country, dot. Our main goal is to

00:03:56.900 eliminate the burdens that couples face when they would like to have children, she said,

00:04:02.120 highlighting policies including, quote, lifelong exemption from personal income tax for women with

00:04:07.080 four children. Oh, that would be me if we were in Hungary. Can you imagine? Can I imagine? We set

00:04:13.520 aside 38% of our income because PA's income tax is also not trivial. Partial mortgage write-offs for

00:04:20.960 families after birth of their second child and grandparent will leave. Oh, that's smart. See,

00:04:25.620 all these things sound good to me, Malcolm. Quote, the recent demographic figures speak for

00:04:29.480 themselves. The number of marriages is at a 40-year high. The fertility rate is at its 20-year high,

00:04:35.520 while the divorces haven't been as low as last year. In the last six decades, she added proudly.

00:04:41.460 I love that they have to show her smugness. I will, and you can mention the tweet that they have here,

00:04:46.460 right? Yes, below there's a tweet by Edward Habsburg. Oh, Habsburg. He says, ready for some good news?

00:04:53.260 The much ridiculed Hungarian family politics is showing results. In January 2020, 9.4% more births

00:05:00.600 than last year, almost 100% more marriages and children per women from 1.4 to 1.6.

00:05:07.680 Yeah, so you see all this. And first, I'd point out that you've got to understand why Breitbart wants

00:05:13.380 this to be true, right? If you look at just the very next paragraph, the Secretary of State,

00:05:18.880 herself a mother of three, was forced right when pressed to comment on the past remarks of outlets

00:05:24.400 such as the left liberal Economist magazine, which rubbished the Hungarian government's aspirations

00:05:30.420 to arrest its demographic decline through so-called natalist policies rather than mass migration,

00:05:36.540 as Western European countries such as Britain, Germany, and Sweden have attempted.

00:05:40.060 So- By the way, is that how British people say trashed? I love that. 1.00

00:05:47.080 The point being is that if I am coming into this like a Bart Reiner or something like that,

00:05:54.020 right? Yeah.

00:05:54.840 What I am contrasting here is mass migration as a solution to fertility collapse versus what

00:06:01.720 they are calling pro-family policies, which I think in a historic sense, most conservatives

00:06:09.480 who weren't so blinded by sectarianism within our own country would call socialism and government

00:06:16.740 handouts. And it's not to say that I'm against it for that reason. I'm just saying this is not a

00:06:22.240 conservative solution. It is a slightly more conservative solution than mass migration,

00:06:27.620 but it is not. And we need to talk about the scale of these handouts. 5% of Hungary's GDP

00:06:32.180 is going to these programs. Okay. So the other thing I want to note here-

00:06:38.860 Wait, hold on. What percent of GDP does the U.S. spend on various things?

00:06:42.920 So if you want to get that in context, within the U.S., if you're looking at the total amount

00:06:49.560 of spending that goes to R&D, that 3.4%.

00:06:54.340 Okay. Wow. Yeah.

00:06:57.520 So I wouldn't say it's an unwarranted amount, right?

00:07:00.300 And also that's, I'm glad that we're spending on R&D.

00:07:02.820 And I'd also point out that the Breitbart article that wrote on this did not explicitly lie

00:07:08.620 or even really mislead with data.

00:07:12.140 No.

00:07:12.340 What the report was reporting, and it's important to note this because Simone didn't do this when 0.94

00:07:17.180 she was reading, is she didn't mention all the quotations used. She didn't say,

00:07:21.060 quote, X, end quote, by Y, which hid that almost every time they were talking about a statistic

00:07:28.300 or positive news in Hungary's fertility-

00:07:31.240 They were quoting someone else's claim.

00:07:32.600 They were quoting somebody.

00:07:33.200 Mm.

00:07:34.380 Now, the problem is that the individuals they were quoting were Hungarian bureaucrats and

00:07:40.280 politicians that had put their careers on the line to get this bill passed.

00:07:45.340 Mm. Oh, so it's like in China when they implemented a new family bonus policy in two months, suddenly

00:07:52.160 all these politicians were like, and now fertility's way up. 0.96

00:07:54.320 There was this famous case in China recently where they gave all of this money out to get

00:07:57.800 fertility up. And then some government bureaucrat who was just sleeping on it, within two months 1.00

00:08:02.640 it released a thing saying, huge number of birth increase since the implementation of

00:08:06.680 the new policy. And everyone in China was joking on their Weibo and stuff like that,

00:08:11.720 that like they, they gave out such a big handout that it shortened the lengths of pregnancy. 0.62

00:08:16.980 And so-

00:08:17.720 Yeah, now we have the same like pregnancy gestation length as like a dog. 0.72

00:08:21.040 They've miraculously improved it.

00:08:23.300 Yeah. So look at these reports and I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't trust the very government

00:08:28.140 bureaucrats who are pushing this policy's perspective on how well this policy worked. 1.00

00:08:33.260 I think what I need to do is I need to look at what the demographers are saying.

00:08:37.560 Hmm. Okay. Now you've got to keep in mind, there are a lot of shady left-leaning demographers 1.00

00:08:44.160 out there that are going to attempt to hide things. The problem is that generally they are

00:08:48.860 motivated to attempt to increase fertility stats so that nobody does anything about it

00:08:54.100 instead of artificially decreased fertility stats, which can make going into this really

00:08:59.080 hard. Typically, if you want the worst fertility stats that you're going to get, what you should

00:09:05.560 look at is the fertility stat aggregators. And I assume that's what a lot of people do when

00:09:10.900 they're looking at this particular instance here. So I'm going to pull up one of these aggregators

00:09:15.440 right here. This is database fertility stats, but it's not going to look that different from

00:09:20.420 Statistica or really anything else.

00:09:23.160 That doesn't look good.

00:09:24.900 It goes up a bit after-

00:09:26.380 Yeah. Technically from 2019 to 2020, the line doesn't go down and the line isn't flat,

00:09:32.900 is it? Yeah. It was basically flat. But you do have a period of increase here,

00:09:38.820 right? Which is really interesting. Yeah.

00:09:40.320 And it does look like you could make a claim with its information that the hungry fertility

00:09:44.740 policy is working. The problem is these big national aggregators are next to useless when

00:09:51.580 trying to determine a country's fertility rate. And this is what I've really learned as Latin America,

00:09:55.160 where fertility rates are changing very rapidly right now, is that you can really only get

00:09:59.860 accurate fertility data from on the ground sources and from local demographers. So that's what I mean

00:10:05.920 by like government databases and stuff like that. So it's okay. Let's look at some other sources

00:10:10.420 because this one would broadly back up. And I think that this is why a lot of people haven't realized

00:10:14.820 because they're going to the national aggregators and the national aggregators are backing up the

00:10:21.700 conservative narrative that Hungary's fertility stats are working right now. So now we're going to

00:10:28.900 look at something else. So let's look at what's happening in local media in Hungary right now.

00:10:33.720 Okay. Let's.

00:10:36.260 So here I am showing a article from the end of 2023, Daily News Hungary. Number of children born in Hungary

00:10:47.820 at a historic low in 2023. Huh. Okay. That shouldn't be happening. All right. Let's look at another

00:10:55.860 thing by this outlet. Brutal population decline. Hungarians are dropping like flies. Oh, that was 1.00

00:11:03.220 published in 2023. What? That's not the narrative I was reading. Okay. I'll go to academic sources.

00:11:10.380 Those will give me some information, right? Here I have pulled up a

00:11:15.100 academic study. And this study is titled the propensity to have children in Hungary with some

00:11:23.760 examples from other European countries. Okay. And this was published in 2022. Okay.

00:11:32.900 Many European governments, including that of Hungary are spending a significant portion of GDP

00:11:37.000 on family support to prevent family decline. Despite these efforts, we have not seen any

00:11:42.400 significant increase in the TFR. In this article, we explain the decisions of families not to have

00:11:48.040 children by using a more stringent formulation of Beckard's original quantity trade-off. And we point

00:11:53.440 out that increasing family support expenditure has not achieved that goal. But now you might be like,

00:11:58.680 wait, how could it say that if they're looking at anything close to the other numbers that I've been

00:12:04.080 looking at? How do we square this? What's the first question you would ask if you saw these

00:12:09.080 Hungarian fertility stats and you showed this rise after they were supposedly implemented?

00:12:14.260 What's the first question you're going to ask? Did something else happen? Basically, like how was

00:12:20.780 the first question I would ask is for the fertility stats of the neighboring countries with similar

00:12:24.800 numbers? Oh, at the same time. Yeah. Pardon me. I was really distracted mentally too by the pandemic.

00:12:29.580 I think a lot of nations, remember there was talk about this. I haven't seen like aggregated data,

00:12:34.540 but there's a lot of talk about during the pandemic, there being a baby bump in many nations because

00:12:40.780 suddenly women were working from home or not working at all. People were kind of left at home. 1.00

00:12:45.420 Yes. So if you look at the data, actually hungry underwent a smaller fertility bump than its neighboring

00:12:50.780 country. Oh no. Oh, that's so bad. Oh, that's what we've been told. Okay. Now let's go look at

00:13:01.780 another graph that is very important. So I did some more digging to try to find a better sort of picture

00:13:08.060 of what's going on locally in Hungary. And I had to, in a search to find the Hungarian government's

00:13:18.080 data sets because that's what I really wanted here. Sure. Okay. I was like, okay, let's get the

00:13:22.120 Hungarian horse's mouth. Exactly. Okay. So the Hungarian population where they measure these 0.97

00:13:29.200 informations is called the center of statistics office or the KSH. Okay. Okay. So I just sent you

00:13:36.480 the KSH graph of the number of births in Hungary. This bump we're seeing on the national aggregate graphs

00:13:42.640 does not appear in the own country's reporting. In fact, you see no effect from these policies.

00:13:49.120 There's a tiny, in 2020, there's a tiny bump, but then it goes down again.

00:13:53.580 Yeah. Tiny bump. But yeah, we are dealing with the lowest number, the lowest fertility rate Hungary 0.86

00:13:58.240 has ever had by their government's own departments that are meant to research this.

00:14:03.100 As your mother would say, yowza.

00:14:05.600 Yowza.

00:14:06.420 Yowza.

00:14:06.760 The marriage rate is also lower. So I'll just read this article that's been translated from

00:14:10.940 Hungarian. So according to preliminary data in December, 2023, 6,565 children were born and 11,727

00:14:22.520 people died compared to December, 2022. The number of births decreased by 12%, the number of deaths by

00:14:28.500 7.2% and marriages by 4.1%. So we are seeing a decrease in marriages as well. The other thing that

00:14:34.460 they were touting last year, 857,000 children were born 3.7% less than the previous year. And

00:14:43.940 if you go when it was really interesting, they also have death rates here, which they're much

00:14:48.640 in, I don't know, for whatever reason within Hungary, the sources that are reporting on this

00:14:53.000 are interested in the higher death rate that Hungary is seeing recently, which I suppose if you

00:14:57.080 are, yeah, but if you, if you want to get an idea of how fast marriages are falling, 50,000 couples

00:15:02.240 got married 22% less than the year before. Because there should, I don't remember the article

00:15:10.440 mentioning many marriage benefits. It was really more about tax incentives for having kids.

00:15:15.440 And this is for a magazine in Hungary called The Index. So I'm left in a bind here, right? Like I have

00:15:22.160 to look at the various sources and try to, and this is a difficult thing in the world that we live in

00:15:27.720 today. Like there aren't easy sources you can turn to and say, this is what's true. This is what's not

00:15:35.020 true. So we'll lay out the data that we have available to us. People who risked their careers

00:15:40.880 to support this policy say that it worked fantastically. The big national aggregators that

00:15:47.300 are often wrong in fertility statistics seem to indicate that those individuals are right,

00:15:53.600 or at least that there was a bump in fertility and then a level of stagnation after that,

00:15:58.520 which is what you often get with these policies. So what you actually see when you see this bump and

00:16:02.700 then stagnation, you're not actually seeing a fertility increase. You're seeing a difference

00:16:06.460 in when people decided to have kids. So people who would have been having kids later or something

00:16:11.100 like that, then decide to have it earlier to get this cash while it's available.

00:16:14.440 So it's similar to what you like in China, for example, when it's like a 1.00

00:16:17.960 zodiac year that is particularly auspicious. Then we have an academic study, which I'm going

00:16:23.940 to assume has left-leaning biases, but that is good at showing the Hungarian's increase in fertility

00:16:30.540 rate, which is lower than claimed in the other sources, is less than its neighboring countries

00:16:35.960 around the same time period. So if I was just looking at those sources, my take would be leaning

00:16:43.200 towards the Breitbart take, which is to say that these policies probably had at least a short-term

00:16:48.240 positive impact. But then I'm dealing with what the local press is saying and what the local

00:16:54.760 statistics department is saying, which is showing that they are now at their lowest fertility rate

00:16:59.640 that they've ever had in terms of the number of births that are being recorded was in Hungary.

00:17:03.780 So this is like registered births. This is like down to the human being in these statistics.

00:17:08.200 This is not like guesses or something like that, or like broad TFR rates is lower than it's ever

00:17:14.780 been in Hungary's history. Okay. I see that. I see the number of registered marriages. These are

00:17:21.220 marriages registered with the government are decreasing like 22% year over year. I see that

00:17:26.820 my thought or my takeaway from all of this is actually the answer is probably that these policies

00:17:33.520 did not work. Especially when you look at vis-a-vis other nations around the same time for the

00:17:41.380 reported hikes. So what happened here and what does this tell us like as pro natals when we're pushing

00:17:49.160 for stuff and why is it important to highlight the Hungary fertility myth? One is because it leads to bad 1.00

00:17:54.960 policy decisions and decisions that I think fundamentally go against the political sensibilities

00:18:00.220 of the individuals that are pushing them. They are pushing for government action, government

00:18:05.840 meddling within families, and they don't realize that when the government bureaucracy, which is

00:18:11.300 predominantly controlled by far leftists, gets a hold of these policies, they will use it to meddle

00:18:16.080 with family policies. They will use it to give out higher bonuses to specific ethnic groups that they

00:18:21.800 believe are more deserving of human dignity than other ethnic groups. They will give it to certain 0.95

00:18:26.080 family structures that they think are more deserving of human dignity than other family structures.

00:18:30.140 And it is not, you do not want to be promoting this false narrative that this works. First of all,

00:18:34.740 even for your own political perspective. Two, you're just wasting money and time. I'm actually not so

00:18:41.200 worried about the wasted money because a lot of it would go to us. We're happy about that.

00:18:44.260 Yeah. If someone's going to blow a bunch of cash and we get to benefit, who cares?

00:18:48.520 Yeah. What I am worried about is the wasted time. Because countries like Korea that have spent billion

00:18:53.520 dollars attempting to fix this over the last 16 years, they think, oh, I'm working on this because

00:18:58.940 I'm spending money on this. Yeah. They can't afford to let it go. Yeah. This doesn't work.

00:19:04.300 Yeah. It's like preparing for nuclear fallout by creating like a fallout center in a cardboard box

00:19:09.180 or something. And you're like, wow, this looks so cool. Like I added windows, but it's really not

00:19:13.760 going to do it. Yes. It's a nuclear bunker. That's not actually going to save you.

00:19:17.980 What should you do if a volcano erupts near you or your family? Suddenly, daughter,

00:19:23.300 here's a noise. It's a volcano. Junior seems worried, but have no fear, Junior. Jane learned

00:19:28.960 in school what to do when you hear a volcano erupt. That's right, Jane. Duck and cover.

00:19:38.640 So what will you do when you hear a volcano erupting?

00:19:41.340 That's right. Duck and cover. Looks like you got the idea. Duck. That has got to be the most

00:19:50.120 ridiculous load of pig crap I have ever seen. That's a dump out of you. 1.00

00:19:55.760 Up the volcano. Quick, duck and cover.

00:20:00.720 And then this leads me to another problem we have. Like, it's actually super related to the subject.

00:20:05.840 One of my favorite graphs in the industry is very interesting. It was in the industry of

00:20:10.080 prenatalism, and I'll put it on screen again, which shows studies that show government incentive

00:20:15.060 programs and the impact they have on fertility rates. So that graph that I have mentioned so

00:20:19.800 many times that it shows a correlation between studies that demonstrate effectiveness of government

00:20:27.280 spending and the margin of error of those studies. What I haven't mentioned before when I've been

00:20:33.540 putting this is the person who put this graph together did not seem to realize that's what the graph

00:20:38.900 was showing. It was presented by an organization called the Institute for Family Studies by Lyman

00:20:46.340 Stone in an article titled, Pronatalist Policies Work But Come With A Hefty Price Tag. And this is where we

00:20:54.440 have a problem within the pronatalist movement, not just around the hungry thing, which is the tendency

00:20:59.140 to, like Breitbart and like Lyman Stone does in this article, he presents real data, but then he pretends

00:21:05.900 pretends that the data is supporting something. It's literally supporting the exact opposite of.

00:21:11.340 It's almost like I'll throw a bunch of data on screen and say that it's saying X, when it's not

00:21:17.320 really saying X, it's saying Y. But the trick works most of the time because most people, if they're

00:21:21.700 like, oh, someone presented data, they don't actually look at what's being said. Yeah. And this gets me

00:21:26.360 because we've become the default leaders of the pronatalist movement. And the one thing I never want our

00:21:31.220 movement to become is the environmentalist movement, a movement that is willing to twist

00:21:34.900 data to their ends and that's willing to push aesthetic solutions that fit their government

00:21:41.600 ideals. Oh, let's shut down nuclear power plants, even though that makes things worse. 0.94

00:21:45.920 Let's stop using plastic straws because that's an excuse for governments to like meddle in people's 1.00

00:21:51.260 daily lives, even though it doesn't really have that much of a meaningful impact. Let's promote

00:21:55.880 masks, even though that now that's the huge waste dump in the middle of the ocean now.

00:22:00.100 And I don't want to become that as a movement. And I think that I want to have a movement that is

00:22:05.440 always supportive of everybody who's trying to work alongside us to promote the things that we're

00:22:09.700 promoting. We want to be very careful that we do also call out when people are lying with statistics

00:22:18.260 is the wrong answer, because I don't think that any of these individuals like realize that they are

00:22:21.780 lying. I think that they do a very natural thing that you and I do as well. Every human does

00:22:27.500 that when statistics push something that they want to be true, they uncritically accept those

00:22:33.160 statistics. But when statistics seem to be pushing something that they don't want to be true,

00:22:37.900 they then do a deeper dive. They look for the sources. They are like, OK, let's cross check this

00:22:42.880 with a bunch of other studies. And this becomes a problem when our goal with the fertility collapse

00:22:50.280 situation is not just to get our team to win. It's to actually solve the problem, to actually

00:22:57.920 lower the pain that this problem is going to cause and to actually get some sliver of our

00:23:03.520 civilization through this crucible our species is entering right now. And I think that if we

00:23:11.020 don't call out where this is happening, that's never going to happen.

00:23:15.860 Yeah. Yeah. It's the battle between approaching demographic collapse as though it's a Rorschach

00:23:22.080 test of your values and what you want to have happen versus approaching it from an evidence-based

00:23:26.460 perspective. And this happens with pretty much every wicked problem out there, a problem that's

00:23:30.800 too complicated to simply solve. But we can't get caught in that trap. We can't afford to.

00:23:37.000 Yeah. And I would also point out that people should be careful when sharing Lyman Stone's work.

00:23:41.520 You and casting shade on Lyman Stone, Malcolm Collins.

00:23:48.300 I can't even. I wonder, I don't think he would do it if he wasn't so snarky every single time we

00:23:54.340 tried to say something nice about his work.

00:23:57.480 Yeah, no, it's actually something that happens to us a lot. So we'll say something nice about

00:24:01.540 him on Twitter and he'll snap back at us angrily. But it makes sense. I can understand. He was around

00:24:08.100 this topic before we were, but he always used the topic to just promote a Christian agenda. That's

00:24:13.660 always been his goal. And so he will manipulate the way he's looking at data to promote that

00:24:17.460 or promote shady studies. But we're always going to have to be aware that there are going to be

00:24:22.420 people that try to hijack this real phenomenon that we're dealing with right now, which is falling

00:24:28.160 fertility rates and then utilize that to push their personal agendas. Whether their personal agenda 1.00

00:24:35.080 is a racist agenda or a embryos or when life starts agenda, which if you correlate that with

00:24:43.660 fertility rates, that appears to lower fertility rates, the stricter your abortion laws are within 0.65

00:24:47.840 like Europe and stuff like that. We've done other videos where we talk about this. They'll

00:24:51.360 attempt to use this to push an anti-immigration agenda. And it's not to say that I think the U.S.

00:24:55.780 should be more anti-immigration than it is now. But fertility has nothing to do with that. 0.97

00:25:00.620 And I think that's the whole reason why you wanted to be in the movement is that you saw that the only

00:25:04.720 people in the movement were not actually pro-natalist. They were pro-Christian, pro-some

00:25:10.440 ethnic group, pro-some immigration policy. And you actually wanted there to be a non-profit effort

00:25:16.020 in this space that was literally just about brokering a soft landing on demographical apps.

00:25:21.020 Well, we're about more than that because we have a, where we differ from just like,

00:25:24.680 just brokering a soft landing is we definitely point out that the problem from an economic

00:25:29.520 perspective and from a socio-political perspective, isn't a lack of people. It's a lack of taxpayers

00:25:33.840 and promoting the creation of additional people who will be a burden to the state system

00:25:38.700 is not solving the problem. And by this, what we mean is cash handouts are disproportionately of

00:25:44.080 high utility to people with lower incomes. And so when you do just pure cash handouts, which isn't

00:25:48.380 what Hungary was doing in this scenario, you will lead to, and you can see this, I'm not making a

00:25:52.440 genetic argument here or anything like this. It's just very clear in the data. People born to

00:25:55.960 families that are on welfare are much more likely to be on welfare than people who are not. And if

00:26:00.560 you increase that population, you have literally made the problem worse. It's not a, just a base

00:26:06.440 human problem. It's not a human problem. It's a human taxpayer, human pension contributor problem.

00:26:12.880 Yes. And people working at these large tech companies and stuff like that. And it requires

00:26:17.900 understanding that even if we accept the left's perception of true blanketism, humanity,

00:26:24.300 all humans are born equally potential as other humans. Then why aren't they able to fix this

00:26:32.280 problem? Why is it this? Clearly we haven't come up with a solution to get these people into these

00:26:37.360 high positions with reliability in our economic system. And you can't bet our entire civilization

00:26:43.640 on you figuring that out within a generation, which the current data shows you are further

00:26:49.640 from fixing than you were historically. Like the graphs that show that if you look at how democratic

00:26:55.500 versus Republican a region is, and then you look at the IQ gap between Hispanic and black and white

00:27:01.720 populations, they are smaller in Republican controlled regions and larger in Democrat controlled

00:27:07.320 districts, showing that these affirmative action policies are actually further creating

00:27:11.960 institutional poverty cycles within these circles. It's not to say that we can't create a policy

00:27:16.680 that does allow these communities to uplift themselves, but whatever the policy is, it is

00:27:22.360 likely the exact opposite of whatever progressives are doing right now. And since they are not moving

00:27:27.460 in an exact opposite direction of their history with this affirmative action and stuff like that,

00:27:32.160 what that shows me is we can't bet on that being the solution when we're dealing with such an

00:27:38.040 existential issue to our species right now, i.e. the collapse of our economic and state system.

00:27:43.880 And people hear that and they go, oh, rich people are going to lose their money. Wah. And it's no,

00:27:47.600 old people are going to starve to death. Wah. Oh, people who thought that they, old people are going to die

00:27:53.580 in a horrible pain in poverty. The blight porn you can look up of Detroit is going to span across most of the

00:28:00.840 developed world and people are going to be dying and suffering at rates that right now you would see on the

00:28:08.660 streets of countries like South Africa, which is a first world country. And again, this affects not the high

00:28:13.640 income people that are being like demonized. This is middle class and lower class communities that are going to 0.98

00:28:20.240 suffer. The high income people aren't going to be really affected. They're fine. They're mostly going to move to like

00:28:24.620 charter cities and stuff like that. And they're going to use AI to solve other problems. And they're always going to be

00:28:28.560 able to find and pay people to do what they need. It is not them. So anyway, thanks for going over this,

00:28:33.340 Malcolm. I really appreciate it. Yeah. And it's just important that we call this stuff out when we

00:28:37.720 see it because it is, and I haven't wanted to do this. I've been sitting on this for a while. I've

00:28:41.500 been like, look, I don't want to point out that a lot of the movement is just wrong about the hungry

00:28:44.760 fertility stats. They do not appear to have worked, but they don't. I'm glad you said it. It's useful to know

00:28:51.040 because it's not only is this data true, but again, it could be used for malevolent means because I

00:28:56.460 talked about the groups that want to use this crisis for their own ends as much as right now,

00:29:01.480 like the globalists want to, and when I say the globalists, I don't mean this in like a vague

00:29:06.180 sense, organizations like the United Nations, which is intrinsically a globalist organization

00:29:10.200 want to lower the world's fertility rates. They could just as well turn on a dime and say fertility 1.00

00:29:16.580 collapses the problem. Therefore we need to control family creation, family planning, the type of

00:29:22.420 marriages that are allowed, the type of marriages that we are going to promote with cash. They could

00:29:27.140 use this to extend control over family and child rearing that we have never seen historically.

00:29:34.500 And I would say buckle up if you are giving them data that gives them ammunition for doing things

00:29:40.220 like that. Totally. No, thanks Malcolm. I love you. Love you. I didn't really go long. I was making up for

00:29:48.100 all the gas. Told you. I keep recommending it on our podcast. I'm like, people need to check out this

00:29:52.760 show. It's very well done. Because it's, he doesn't just talk about what's going on with. He uses it to

00:29:57.980 talk about Korean history, which I actually find very boring because I know all that history very well.

00:30:02.560 So for me, it's like going over like basic American history, but for our average viewer,

00:30:06.320 it'd be really useful. I mean, it's, it allows you to really appreciate in the most profound fashion

00:30:11.560 what's going on. Imagine watching a ballet and not understanding what goes in creating the form and the

00:30:17.740 movements. It would be the most boring thing in the entire world. But if you have someone walk you

00:30:21.540 through, here's the history, here's the meaning, here's like how this, where this emerged from,

00:30:26.000 like French court dance. Here's why the way that they're angling their hips and toes is both

00:30:30.780 difficult and requires years of conditioning. And then you're like, oh, okay. And this is not just

00:30:34.520 like men and women being pissy anymore. It's about like neo-Confucianism. Yeah. So what's going on 0.96

00:30:41.560 with Hungary? That part's going to go at the end of the video, by the way. I never do the

00:30:46.160 non sequiturs at the beginning. Oh, I, we hit record after I mentioned it. So there's no point

00:30:50.760 in putting it in at all. Oh, you were talking about the gotcha gang war thing. Yeah. But I'm

00:30:57.920 going to send you some private chats. Okay. I think the best way to do this one is to start

00:31:02.680 where I'm going to do a framing and then I'm going to have you read this particular piece that

00:31:07.320 I just dropped in here. Yeah. That works. And you can, don't start with the subtitle.

00:31:15.720 Oh, this is the, yeah. The one that was linked to from that other Breitbart article that we read.

00:31:20.940 Yeah. I'll just get started right now. Hold on. I think I'm going to sneeze and then we're good.

00:31:26.840 It's not coming. All right, go ahead.

Based Camp - April 30, 2024

The Biggest Lie Pronatalist Tell (The Hungary Fertility Myth)

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