Based Camp - The ＂Boomer Right＂ Abandoned The West (With Basic Logic)

00:00:00.000 hello everyone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are here with basic logic and if

00:00:05.500 you don't know who basic logic is he was in the right-wing youtuber space as probably one of the

00:00:12.720 fastest growing channels i've ever seen i think in just a few months you went from something like

00:00:17.560 20 000 to over 100 000 subscribers and your content is really solid like short form both

00:00:26.280 data and philosophy heavy not that i agree with everything but it's definitely like thematically

00:00:32.680 aligned with a lot of the topics on this channel and i decided to reach out because i always try

00:00:38.100 to have conversations with anyone in this wider intellectual space because we're all having what

00:00:43.740 i sort of call an asynchronous conversation with the world with our watchers with everything like

00:00:48.420 that where a lot of us are watching a lot of other creators out there we're getting ideas from them

00:00:53.960 We're spinning those ideas into something new.

00:00:56.540 And so bringing people together to have these conversations can be really interesting.

00:01:00.620 What I wanted to start with is what was the context of starting the channel for you?

00:01:07.340 What was your goal with the channel?

00:01:09.760 And how did that goal evolve as you've gone on?

00:01:14.620 Thank you for having me.

00:01:16.080 The way I started this channel was as a dare, actually.

00:01:19.400 So I'm not the only person on this channel.

00:01:22.140 my friend is an editor for this channel and we we co-own the channel it's 50 50 okay and the

00:01:28.240 relationship i had with this friend for a very long time is that i like to go deep into certain

00:01:31.780 topics and particularly i converted to christianity some years ago and he was the first person i

00:01:37.180 started talking about christianity with and then he converted shortly after i think like a week or

00:01:42.640 two after i converted whoa and so we've always had this dynamic of i go deep into a certain topic

00:01:47.940 and then i explain it in a very concise way and he started telling me like pestering me like man

00:01:53.140 you have to write a book about this because everyone i talk to takes like an hour to explain

00:01:57.920 something simple and he has adhd and he doesn't like you know sitting down for an hour for something

00:02:03.860 that can be explained in three minutes if you really focus and then at some point i was got i

00:02:10.180 was getting bored of my own personal life i had some spare time to kill because there were some

00:02:14.920 professional ambitions that i had that didn't go as intended which has to do with me start trying

00:02:20.520 to start a startup out of college but then the people who i was relying on they didn't really

00:02:25.320 follow up with the promises that they made and so i had some spare time left over as i was waiting

00:02:31.800 and i was bored it's like okay let's make a video and we posted the video and it was zero views for

00:02:37.600 like 12 hours and then afterwards it started getting some traction and then started getting

00:02:41.900 a lot more traction it's like okay let's try this seriously and so now we are at at the time of

00:02:47.360 recording we are at 96 900 subscribers it hasn't even been 11 months yet that is completely

00:02:56.020 demoralizing i've been doing this for every day an hour edited episode for three years at this

00:03:04.800 point simon yeah it's three years oh yeah and we're we're 75 000 i mean we'll probably hit 100

00:03:11.320 before the end of the four-year period.

00:03:14.640 I know it took Nuxentor four years to get to 100,000.

00:03:16.880 So you're doing incredibly well.

00:03:19.200 But I see why when I look at the form of your content,

00:03:23.500 which is as quick and with nice animation

00:03:27.000 to the point of a philosophical concept,

00:03:30.320 which I am just terrible at doing, right?

00:03:32.560 Like it would take me so long to create videos that short.

00:03:35.360 But that's also why I'm glad to have you on here

00:03:37.800 so people can get the wider context on you

00:03:39.880 because that's not going to come through on your videos.

00:03:42.360 The big question I would have is what convinced you to convert to Christianity

00:03:47.060 so much so that when you talk to your friend, he also converted?

00:03:50.800 What was the argument or the trepidation you had beforehand?

00:03:57.460 Well, there was no argument.

00:03:58.780 I was an extremely stubborn atheist before.

00:04:01.920 I respected Christianity.

00:04:03.440 I started studying Christianity probably a year or two before I converted

00:04:08.220 because i was realizing okay everything's going wrong in society the christians seem to have

00:04:13.140 some good ideas let me learn from them and i did and i thought a lot of the wisdom there was very

00:04:18.400 good however i wasn't convinced until i i kind of had to be convinced by a how can i say this

00:04:29.080 i'm not even sure if i should say this because every time i do it gets a lot of people like

00:04:33.560 demoralized and trying to convert in the sense that i had a religious experience and that's what

00:04:38.500 finally converted me and the reason i don't always share that is because the common response i get

00:04:44.700 when i when i tell them that i have a religious experience like okay i'll convert when i have one

00:04:48.780 it's like great how did you convince your friend did he have a religious experience he did not have

00:04:53.820 no so very quickly i realized i can't just tell people i had a religious experience and then they

00:04:59.060 didn't convert that doesn't make any damn sense but after all by the way i want to say how much

00:05:04.060 i appreciate that was immediately obvious to you you do not know because i also converted from

00:05:09.720 being an atheist for ages how many times a christian would just be like well you know god

00:05:15.180 just started talking that's how i know and that's why you should know too and i'm like but he doesn't

00:05:20.340 talk to me like what are you talking about that your personal religious experience doesn't does

00:05:26.580 not impact my belief right so i really appreciate that that was obvious to you but go on yeah so

00:05:33.140 like people from different religions have their own religious experience where they claim to

00:05:37.060 people can also go insane and people can go temporarily insane so it did cross my mind hey

00:05:41.780 maybe i just went crazy for like one morning that might have happened so i decided okay i've already

00:05:47.220 been studying this religion i like the ideas let's actually go deeper into the philosophy

00:05:51.860 also let's see if i can understand approve it or debunk it and this was like my fixation for one

00:05:56.100 or two weeks i don't remember exactly where all i cared about doing was studying the bible i hadn't

00:06:00.980 told anyone that i had converted by this point all my fixation was on just studying the bible

00:06:06.500 itself learning about what theologians believed i would be listening to theology podcasts while

00:06:11.540 doing everything or anything and so i ended up adopting like a mix of beliefs of different

00:06:17.540 protestant denominations especially but i also respect the catholics and the orthodox

00:06:21.380 i'm not militantly protestant uh yeah like we are and we have a reputation for being so

00:06:28.900 but okay so that's really i find it interesting that you were able to get so much from studying

00:06:35.220 theologians so i guess like this actually makes sense to go into my history on this i really

00:06:40.760 enjoyed when i was an atheist christian radio and i listened to tons of christian radio but

00:06:50.080 what's really funny is if you're super into christian radio which is probably not good for

00:06:55.840 me i i approach this wrong you get really into arguments that are never gonna matter to an

00:07:02.340 atheist conversion like pre versus post millennialism right like right that yeah yeah i know

00:07:09.860 what you're talking about and i would get super into like all of the arguments on both sides of

00:07:15.800 that because I just loved the lore I guess but I never came in on the more practical things that I

00:07:23.700 had never had somebody sit me down and give me good arguments for actually this could be a fun

00:07:29.900 thing for us to go into in this is how would you today first how did you convert your friend and

00:07:35.780 how would you go to convert your younger self before the experience because there are so many

00:07:43.080 tactics that i think a lot of christians seem to default to when they're attempting to convert

00:07:48.540 people and they don't like it so they can do not does not pass go and i think one of the big ones

00:07:55.860 that we sort of touched on is not just personal religious experiences but claiming that x group

00:08:02.100 of religious people say they saw a miracle or that some miraculous thing happened in the bible 0.78

00:08:07.220 and then obviously your atheist is just going to be like yes but the muslim who just tried to

00:08:11.780 convert me said the same thing and the buddhist who just tried to convert me said the same thing

00:08:15.540 like how would you how yeah how did you crack that nut well it's tailored to each person people 0.98

00:08:22.200 respond to different things you asked me about how would i convert myself i think the most important

00:08:27.080 thing to have done to myself when i was an atheist would be to intellectually humiliate me

00:08:31.380 because i was way too prideful i every interaction i had with christians was incredibly poor so every 0.98

00:08:38.920 christian i've met outside of my family was to put up lightly an idiot and i had never actually 0.94

00:08:45.060 heard the gospel before i had become christian because every christian i ever talked to the 0.98

00:08:49.620 only thing they cared about was debating evolution and they had very poor arguments to debate

00:08:55.080 evolution was the issue so that was my sole experience of christians outside my family

00:09:00.220 and it was not very convincing and so every time i had one of those experiences i became even more 0.99

00:09:06.140 prideful in my beliefs because i was like well this is what these idiots believe i'm not an idiot 0.95

00:09:11.620 like them now it depends of course of certain people i've had people where you could use 0.99

00:09:17.500 whatever logic you wanted it wouldn't work but if you play the right song then then you have some

00:09:22.760 effect which is why i also criticize contemporary churches so much of their hip-hop nonsense where

00:09:29.300 they're just making an inferior version of modern music and like that's not going to reach the people

00:09:33.360 we're trying to reach with christian music it's actually funny that you mention songs is having

00:09:39.260 an impact on people's beliefs because one thing that's become very popular in our wider community

00:09:46.280 recently and i don't know how tapped into this you are are you tapped into stuff like the sky

00:09:51.720 browse cinematic universe and like all the conservative ai music that's being generated

00:09:55.960 these days i've heard that there's been some ai music generated especially from like conservative

00:10:01.060 and religious angles i've never seen it or heard it oh i'll send you i'm so into it because what

00:10:06.360 they do is they collect different conservative influencers and they have them as like figures in

00:10:10.620 it or some of them just do their own like things but i remember really having my mind changed

00:10:16.640 because of one of the songs and it was mostly just because it made me feel culturally normal

00:10:22.780 to have this point and it's leaflet song about college being a scam oh i had felt that college

00:10:28.960 was a scam for a while i had felt like the math just doesn't add up but for whatever reason hearing

00:10:34.520 it in a song i just walked away being like wait that's so obvious now why was i why was i over

00:10:42.200 intellectualizing it but i think you probably mean even in the context of like music that that is

00:10:46.780 transcending for people like a lot of people in you go to like a roman mass or you go to evening

00:10:52.720 song and even that is so uh impactful to an individual they can have a religious like

00:10:58.500 experience is that more what you're thinking or yeah yeah it's along those lines one thing i'm

00:11:03.880 curious based based on that actually is you're you're sort of talking about people's standard

00:11:08.100 of evidence right for one person their standard of evidence may be a logical argument for another

00:11:12.720 person it may be a religious experience or an ex a very emotional experience like i listened to a

00:11:19.640 song and it made me feel a certain way and therefore this thing must be right do you try

00:11:23.980 to create arguments that are designed for different standards of evidence like emotion or logic or

00:11:31.120 personal experience or studies or other things or do you just kind of try to hit the most commonly

00:11:37.560 encountered arguments like what's your approach to presenting information since i was an atheist

00:11:43.180 i pretty much know the atheist arguments and even further context i grew up as an atheist but my

00:11:49.400 family and i had to leave our home countries and go to a muslim country for a while for work

00:11:53.400 and i really did not like islam so i was very into like anti-theist apologetics

00:11:59.440 so i i had plenty of experience on that so that i never put focus on that because it's second

00:12:06.900 nature by this point and then as for focusing on on like particular arguments i know what would

00:12:12.940 work on me i like the rationalist arguments but the truth is not everyone thinks

00:12:18.480 so this this goes beyond just religion it goes on to politics and the likes a lot of people who

00:12:25.040 are more intellectually inclined like rational arguments and the likes they assume everyone

00:12:29.900 thinks like a 130 iq european and that is just not reality it's even the reason why i dropped

00:12:37.840 my libertarian leanings because i realized this this would work fantastic if everyone was a

00:12:42.920 130 iq european yeah yeah but that's not the world we live in and so some things have to be adapted

00:12:49.380 it's also why i took like a lot of stronger stance against usury for example because previously i 0.93

00:12:56.120 would think just don't be stupid don't sign this ridiculous contract with an insane interest rate 0.99

00:13:00.480 it's like okay well some people are stupid does that mean that we have the right to use the 1.00

00:13:04.660 government to force them into being de facto slaves no and if people are offended by his take 0.99

00:13:11.980 on mentioning european in this particular context i would strongly point you to our episode on why

00:13:18.720 arab countries are almost never democracies where we point out that for like centuries almost no

00:13:25.500 arab country has ever been a lasting democracy and almost every northern european country has 0.95

00:13:30.020 and so for whatever reason and you you can you can have a thousand different reasons why this

00:13:36.500 may be the case different populations and somebody could be like oh that's muslim culture but then we

00:13:40.860 point out in non-Arab Muslim cultures, it's not infrequent that they have democracies. So you

00:13:46.780 could say, well, in some groups, in some cultures, things just operate differently and different

00:13:51.640 types of societal structures work at different levels. And this is one of the big problems that

00:13:57.020 I think that we're having in Europe and the Americas right now is we are importing a lot of 0.99

00:14:01.960 people that seem to operate very well under systems that look nothing like our system.

00:14:09.920 Like, if you go to the Middle East, there's a number of countries that are clean and operate pretty well, but they are the least democratic of the states, like the UAE and Saudi Arabia and Qatar, whereas the most democratic of the states are often the most dangerous and least well managed.

00:14:28.220 So, you know, I just think that's a good point there.

00:14:30.720 Yeah.

00:14:31.380 Yeah.

00:14:31.720 Were you conservative before you converted to Christianity?

00:14:36.180 Yes.

00:14:36.400 Okay.

00:14:37.400 Okay. And were you always conservative? Or was that something that sort of happened to you over time or through cultural battles or whatever? Yeah.

00:14:45.420 I think the closest I've ever been to not being conservative was when I was like six or seven and I heard my uncle lost his job. And I was like, how could a company fire someone? It ruins their life. And that was the closest I've ever come to being a leftist.

00:15:01.460 that moment on like from eight years old onwards i was pretty dead set on on right wing even though

00:15:08.560 for a large portion i didn't really understand it by the time i was in high school it was just

00:15:13.880 straight up like daily wire talking points for me and then it took like a couple more years for me

00:15:18.900 to go out of that and realize okay daily wire is perhaps not the answer to everything

00:15:24.220 oh that's actually an interesting point and i'd love to hear your thoughts on this is

00:15:28.800 the wider cultural change in modern conservatism that we've seen, where the boomer conservatism,

00:15:36.760 which ironically, you know, I think the Daily Wire is one of the perfect avatars of, 0.71

00:15:41.400 despite Ben Shapiro being, you know, younger, he sort of got captured by boomers when he was a kid

00:15:46.360 and he's never been able to state that mindset. Where boomer conservatism is really sort of dying

00:15:52.760 out as an intellectual philosophy and this entirely new type or flavor of conservatism

00:16:00.820 is beginning to replace it and what are your thoughts on that as you've seen this happen or

00:16:06.020 yeah oh yeah oh definitely and it's been extremely beneficial like people i had met early on that

00:16:11.840 were diehard leftists when they realized that the right wasn't just boomer conservatism have

00:16:17.300 started now going more to the center more to the right boomer conservatism is just so fake 1.00

00:16:22.560 they conserve nothing you they they suck they suck one of the statistics that i was watching 0.99

00:16:28.980 recently we went over an episode that hasn't gone live yet is we were looking at pro-muslim sentiment 1.00

00:16:35.240 in the united states a lot of people are aware of this it jumped up after 9-11 what people are

00:16:41.280 unaware of is that the demographic it jumped up most within were very conservative people

00:16:47.820 very conservative republicans whereas if you look at the new generation of conservative after the

00:16:52.960 october 11th attacks pro-palestine sentiment jumped up among leftists but it didn't go up at

00:16:58.420 all among conservatives like we're not falling for this nonsense anymore where it's like oh no

00:17:03.160 victim blaming somebody might be mad at muslims because one group of muslims did something

00:17:07.600 yeah i agree with you that i think one of the traps that we were taught growing up especially

00:17:16.360 by daily wire types is that you had to be on team israel or you had to be on team palestine

00:17:21.320 and my my personal experience is obviously excluding the innocence on both sides both 0.63

00:17:27.420 sides suck like both sides are really really bad and i'm not sure which one i hate more

00:17:32.860 and i if it was possible for two sides to lose a war i would like them both to lose 0.99

00:17:38.620 that would be my position that's definitely well i mean that's definitely a sentiment

00:17:43.800 that's shared among a lot of people i it's it's not one that we share as aggressively but i mean

00:17:49.940 our our basic position is we like people who are economically and technologically productive and

00:17:56.280 appear to be moving civilization forwards and who also fight back when people dick with them 0.63

00:18:00.940 but i also understand that israel has really manipulated the united states to do things that

00:18:07.140 are not in our best interest many times and so i understand the sentiment there uh i i'm wondering

00:18:14.420 how you see when you moved away from like daily wire thinking was the number one thing that you

00:18:19.940 moved away from was it the israel thing or were there other things about boomer conservatism you

00:18:24.740 found toxic there was a lot that was talks about boomer conservatism a lot of it was things that

00:18:30.260 you don't really notice early on because they seem to be like champions against woke ideology

00:18:34.980 and in reality it was this false like controlled opposition where we're going to oppose woke

00:18:41.740 ideology but we're going to let in gay marriage we're going to let in feminism in our churches

00:18:47.700 it seemed like they were making a lot of compromises with the woke crowd so they could

00:18:52.280 show how reasonable they were being and then it seemed like every couple every four years

00:18:57.480 the conservative party was more liberal and now i'm assuming probably 40 years ago obviously 40

00:19:04.220 years ago democrats or way more well 40 years ago liberals or way more conservative than modern

00:19:09.380 conservatives and so it seemed like a controlled opposition to slowly push the overtone window

00:19:15.680 over and over towards the side of insanity we did a whole episode on that like it seems to be

00:19:22.800 pretty well and well people know people have done full like essays on that one thing i wanted to

00:19:27.240 ask you though if i may i'm really curious about how your life has changed since you converted to

00:19:31.960 christianity like and also what what does being actively christian look like to you how active

00:19:37.340 are you in your like with your local church or is is your religious experience one more about

00:19:44.780 heavy biblical study and prayer and less about engagement with the community because when i

00:19:49.120 hear about people converting it can mean so many different things like there are people who convert

00:19:53.040 without even believing anything that's not you you're very different but does that this mean

00:19:57.020 that you're also participating in a community and your life and schedule are totally different too

00:20:00.940 well a lot of things changed i really wanted to participate in the community i joined the church

00:20:06.740 i did all the things to to be able to join church so the place i live i have two options

00:20:11.100 i can be catholic or it can be these modern evangelical types and i i wasn't catholic i

00:20:16.980 don't hold a grudge against catholics i don't think it's a bad denomination but i don't agree

00:20:20.900 with it so that was off the list and then i thought okay well non-denominational i guess

00:20:26.300 that will work. I'll go to a non-denominational church and we'll see how well that goes. It's

00:20:31.040 a place for all Christians. It was not. It was just not. Was it like super woke or like what 1.00

00:20:36.840 was your take on the non-denominational? It wasn't super woke. It wasn't super woke,

00:20:40.360 but it had problems. It allowed modern infections to get in very easily. It's the type of boomer

00:20:46.160 conservatism that we're criticizing. They allowed feminism to get into the church. They allowed a 1.00

00:20:52.060 lot of other issues to get into the church the pastor only gave sermons on things that were very

00:20:58.260 obviously bad in the political climate so like only we're going to talk badly about gender ideology

00:21:04.420 but we're not going to talk about how the men in our church don't run the household and actually

00:21:09.480 they're led by their women we're not going to talk about that so only the obvious things that

00:21:14.200 everyone already agreed with nothing that could offend the congregation

00:21:18.280 there was one time where i wanted to give a bible study so i was helping out some of my fellow

00:21:26.120 young adults in the group i wanted to give a bible study on genesis particularly the curses of adam

00:21:31.800 and eve and they were very happy for me to do the bible study on the curse of adam they were not

00:21:38.220 happy with me doing the curse of eve yes and so in the end i i just got censored and it was a decision

00:21:46.240 behind closed doors and they they just kept delaying they didn't even let me know that

00:21:51.040 they canceled it until it was like the day prior of course i was i was planning on teach the curse

00:21:58.120 of adam and eve to about 12 people when they censored me i ended up making it into a video

00:22:03.080 so instead i taught it to like 120 000 so it worked out in the end well i mean i think this

00:22:09.980 shows why boomer conservatism has been hit so hard and has had such a hard time reacting 0.99

00:22:17.320 is the mechanisms of control that they built were so petty low level and internet stupid 0.99

00:22:26.160 that the moment people saw around them or found a way to you know circumvent them like you did 0.96

00:22:35.500 the impact is so large and it's a position that young people are put in when they see the boomers

00:22:44.340 and i think the feminism thing is such a great point because that reminds me of like the vague

00:22:48.940 boomer conservatism that we so would have seen was like ben shapiro always trying to prop up his

00:22:53.340 sister and stuff like that and like oh we need a woman's voice we need a they're still hook line

00:22:59.660 and sinker swallowing oh you know you wouldn't want to say people are different because that's

00:23:04.980 racist and we don't want anyone like that in our communities and it's like but they are everyone

00:23:11.120 can see it but yeah i guess it's the the pushing back and i had to contextualize that and i need

00:23:18.720 to think about it a little bit the thing that really changed was the shiblet list of rules

00:23:25.980 of things we were supposed to pretend mattered or were important without question and the

00:23:34.360 the glee with which the new right because what the new right really began to do in response to that

00:23:40.540 is we began to only listen to people who we who validated themselves through showing that they're

00:23:47.820 willing to push back against these arbitrary rules and you know i was on a show recently and

00:23:53.960 they were like malcolm how could you have these racist looking titles and i was yeah but you

00:23:58.060 watched the episode it wasn't racist right and they're like well not technically you know and

00:24:02.380 it's like well okay so i need to authenticate myself as a crowd that has come to distrust

00:24:08.300 people who try to play too aggressively within this very tight ruled format and i think you do

00:24:17.340 i don't know is this something that you actively think about when you're putting your videos

00:24:20.520 together or do you not actively think about sort of this envelope pushing i think about it all the

00:24:25.600 time i constantly have similar comments comments as you where it's like how could you make this

00:24:30.120 thumbnail, it's so terrible.

00:24:31.620 How could you talk about these topics like this?

00:24:34.380 And I was like, man, you can see the argument and the video.

00:24:38.320 My videos are short.

00:24:39.580 They're three minutes in the past.

00:24:40.880 Now they're five minutes going to eight minutes because I want that

00:24:43.080 YouTube ad revenue.

00:24:45.840 So it's not that much of an effort to actually watch the video and make sure.

00:24:49.840 And I also, my, my videos aren't that clickbait, like my

00:24:53.280 thumbnails are pretty accurate to what I'm talking about.

00:24:56.800 No, your, your videos have never been particularly clickbaity

00:24:59.900 from what i've seen you you're typically our videos are well no we don't really do clickbait

00:25:04.300 either no we do good spicy hooks but it's always on the topic of the that's true yeah we don't we

00:25:11.020 don't like well we don't bait and switch so that is true one thing i'm curious too is i i mean i'm

00:25:18.060 assuming you're like in your 20s because you're like other young adults yeah okay so of people

00:25:22.620 in their 20s what do you think are sort of the biggest generational challenges facing that

00:25:27.100 generation and what do you see is the most important solutions and do you actually think

00:25:32.460 a large swath of people will adopt those solutions the biggest challenge for my generation and it's

00:25:39.740 not even close is the lack of reliable mentors where oh wow i never actually it's like

00:25:47.580 like 85th on my list of things i would have expected no that was like this has been an issue 0.99

00:25:52.620 constantly where we go to our education system our teachers are either lying or stupid 1.00

00:25:58.540 but we go to our church our elders are either again lying or they're stupid 1.00

00:26:03.180 it's like this constant issue and it's not a lot of people argue that gen z is rebellious and 0.97

00:26:09.180 hostile to authority and to be entirely honest i don't see it that way what i find is from the

00:26:14.940 moment we were turned five and went to school every person that we were supposed to trust

00:26:20.380 has not done their job and i i talk about the sentiment of other people because it's

00:26:26.700 it's a rough thing growing up in a difficult world and you not be able to trust mentors i

00:26:31.900 don't i don't think i know a single gen z person who doesn't wish they had a wiser mentor of an

00:26:37.260 older generation able to date them consistently in their lives we create these online substitutes

00:26:43.580 because that's really all we have like if you don't have it in your family you're just not

00:26:47.900 gonna get it at all i've had it in my family thankfully so they were able to guide me through

00:26:52.620 some of the steps but you need you you need more than just your family to like really develop all

00:26:58.140 your skills and be prepared for this and so we've reactively created a more independent system where

00:27:05.100 we use online proxies as mentors but it's not it's not the same thing it's not real another thing

00:27:11.500 that gen z really bases itself on is on stories that we tell through literature and video games

00:27:17.100 and the likes and naturally we follow the hero's journey and every part of the hero's journey has

00:27:23.580 the mentor figure that shows up and he shows you the ropes and we don't have that that's not an

00:27:29.500 our hero's journey i find something that's pretty interesting about your generation of coming into

00:27:39.020 this is one of the things you used to hear a lot from people is like oh i got into this from jordan

00:27:44.380 Peterson and i haven't heard that once from you yet you're saying something oh sorry i was saying

00:27:49.360 yeah Jordan Peterson that i liked Jordan Peterson for a time but i did not come into this because

00:27:55.320 of him yeah and i've learned that he really is the one who sort of was more a bridge for boomers

00:28:02.080 into the new right than a bridge for the youth into the new right because maybe gen x and older

00:28:07.480 millennials yeah gen x and older millennials when i think about your generation the the right

00:28:12.140 leaning individuals the other one you know we've had on our show is do you know what about his

00:28:15.560 rubyard yeah yeah i do i follow him yeah he's very young as well not not quite as young as you

00:28:21.680 but very young as well and he is he also didn't come to the right because of like joy he came to

00:28:27.920 it from just looking at society crumbling like that was i i guess that's also been a motivator

00:28:33.440 for you or that that has not been that's why i studied christianity prior to converting that was

00:28:38.800 it's hard to avoid the issues here because we can see it growing up like we were told

00:28:44.780 go go do well in school get your degree go to a good college get a good job along the way in

00:28:50.580 college go get a girlfriend get married and that'll be your life but that isn't true and that hasn't

00:28:55.160 been true for a very long time and we knew that but it's all we had like it's all we could do

00:29:01.500 right we were told that this is the way to go that's what every adult was pushing us towards

00:29:05.080 it's all we could do but we knew it wasn't happening and so at some point at random point

00:29:12.160 for some people some later some earlier it's like okay i need to figure something else out here

00:29:16.920 and we weren't at the point where we had enough life experience where we could figure it out on

00:29:22.340 our own so we had to go on to online sources jordan peterson helped some people i know but

00:29:28.300 usually they were already conservative it was my generation like if you're already conservative

00:29:32.340 And you'd like Jordan Peterson, if you weren't, you hated them.

00:29:35.220 That's how it was.

00:29:37.940 The actual journey from left-wing to right-wing has been more from new right figures.

00:29:42.820 I actually, I'm not familiar with the work of Nick Fuentes, for example, but I know Nick Fuentes,

00:29:48.020 ironically got some left-wingers to turn right.

00:29:51.620 So things are on those lines.

00:29:53.460 Well, I had a lot of right-wingers to turn left, unfortunately.

00:29:57.700 What?

00:29:58.100 Wait, so, you know.

00:29:58.900 I've heard of that as well.

00:30:00.020 I've heard of that as well.

00:30:01.060 but i'm not familiar enough to comment i know some of the clips but i've never actually like

00:30:05.060 sat down and listened to his stuff he's he's an entertaining producer but i think counterproductive

00:30:09.780 to the wider movement at least in terms of getting votes but i mean obviously he's he's done what

00:30:14.660 like i thought his interview was what's his face the guy the uk guy simone do you remember

00:30:21.540 he's here's where he interviewed us yeah was like very well done on his part like he he did

00:30:27.780 such a good job i saw a bad one but that was excellent visa be piers morgan that that it it

00:30:32.880 made piers morgan just look like an absolute clown but i think it also showed well actually

00:30:37.280 it comes to the topic of the the big moment that for a lot of people when like piers morgan was

00:30:41.680 trying to imply that like he he's not sleeping around and therefore he's of lesser character

00:30:48.040 and obviously nick is like what do you like to your average conservative these days like what

00:30:52.980 are you talking about like what he's he's less moral because he's not having recreational sex 0.97

00:30:58.520 with lots of women the the just like the absurdity of that on its face but that is so boomer

00:31:05.740 conservative that they would actually think and i think a lot of boomer conservatives would actually

00:31:09.240 just think to say that like they're so they haven't thought to question i guess this is okay

00:31:14.360 i'm beginning to understand enough the urban monocultures we often call it are this sort of

00:31:17.860 leftist net around society created cultural norms that our movement is based on questioning

00:31:25.700 every single norm or idea that comes in front of us because so many rules in society turned out to

00:31:34.060 be wrong. Like when I was younger, you at a young age, this might be crazy to hear, but you used to

00:31:41.080 think somebody was like a mentally ill tinfoil hat person if they said there is a secret network

00:31:48.280 of pedophiles that is unusually influential in american government and politics and now 0.96

00:31:53.960 everybody knows and agrees that that happened and or if you said oh my god the southern poverty

00:32:02.000 law center is the kkk's largest donor you'd be like people would laugh you out of the room or 0.54

00:32:07.560 the water is turning the frogs gay well even with that one i even back when everybody acted like 0.70

00:32:12.580 that was a crazy thing to say i was like but frogs are a bellwether species you would absolutely

00:32:16.980 expect that and amphibians actually change gender quite frequently this is something we should look

00:32:21.360 at like i remember even with that one i was like why are you guys so mad about that like that

00:32:24.640 that actually seems like a a useful thing to but where were they going but yeah that they haven't

00:32:30.960 like aggressively challenged those sorts of norms and it makes it so hard to have a conversation

00:32:38.740 or be part of the chat with them because they they haven't engaged with these ideas as aggressively

00:32:45.360 it reminds me you know we have a reporter who was doing a piece on us and they were you know

00:32:51.140 mocking or they were saying oh isn't it so bad that at the white house thing like what's his face

00:32:57.380 said Michelle Obama used to be a man right like is a trans person and I was like well I mean I

00:33:05.000 haven't looked into this conspiracy yet so like I can't take a stance on it and they were very

00:33:09.540 offended that I I wouldn't just immediately say that's a horrible thing to say I'm like

00:33:15.120 too many of those horrible things to say turned out to be true yeah it's been a shock even for me

00:33:23.140 it's been a shock all the way through like i knew things were bad i wasn't expecting like this level

00:33:28.740 in fairness after i got more into history and i started learning things for more like a christian

00:33:34.260 lens as well applying that christian lens to history it became a little bit more self-evident

00:33:38.440 but this isn't new it's actually happened several times in history and this is just

00:33:42.900 yet another repeat we've had transgender ideology in the muslim empires in the middle ages for 0.97

00:33:49.020 example which is insane to think about pedophile rings running the government has been a thing 0.94

00:33:53.980 since ancient greece so i don't know it's when the more i look into history the more obvious how

00:34:02.780 absurd the lies of modernity are and the more annoyed i get at my educators who were clearly 0.99

00:34:08.540 just not i i don't know what they were thinking like some of them majority of them probably stupid 1.00

00:34:14.220 A lot of them, I would argue, are malicious, frankly, at some point. 0.99

00:34:18.240 Let's talk about that, because you're a young person in today's world.

00:34:22.020 How did you determine what was true?

00:34:26.680 Well, the way I determined things were true, back when I was an atheist, my philosophy wasn't very consistent.

00:34:32.740 So things were true if they made sense to me, and I thought myself very illogical.

00:34:37.420 And that did serve me decently well.

00:34:40.360 i was surrounded by people who were hardcore leftists and pushing leftist propaganda so i'm

00:34:46.560 not american but i went to an american high school an international american high school

00:34:51.000 and there every single professor every poster every person was just pushing constant woke

00:34:57.180 ideology non-stop and the only news sources i was allowed to use or credit were leftist news sources

00:35:03.280 and so i got pretty good at like reading between the lines of how the left lies and knowing how

00:35:09.960 they speak so i could actually get the real news right and that ended up being a very useful skill

00:35:15.880 i use it even nowadays when i'm having biblical debates because one thing you'll notice with

00:35:21.080 christians often is that when they want to prove their point they'll just bombard you with a bunch

00:35:25.000 of verses from the bible and if you have some verses it's like a contest between who has the

00:35:31.240 most verses supporting their point and that gets very ridiculous very quickly because you're

00:35:36.600 you're effectively arguing the Bible is contradicting itself at that point.

00:35:39.940 You're just making a list of how many verses don't contradict me

00:35:43.860 versus how many don't contradict you.

00:35:46.160 So I've gotten the habit of using whatever verses my opponent uses

00:35:50.600 in a debate against me and against my point.

00:35:53.400 I will use that same verse for my argument.

00:35:56.500 And that's something I started doing first in high school in politics and the likes.

00:36:02.040 I think that's really useful.

00:36:04.860 and what i have found in terms of the bible in in in understanding it when people will make

00:36:10.900 arguments against me is it's always just well i take the whatever they said to me and then i try

00:36:15.560 to read it in context and look up all the other ways it could be translated and all of a sudden

00:36:20.180 it makes perfect sense and i was very that was one of the things that surprised me most about

00:36:25.500 as you said like everyone i talked to about the bible when i was a kid had what i call a sunday

00:36:32.560 school view of christianity yeah and when i went back and began to read the bible as an adult with

00:36:38.220 a translator next to me like what what does this word mean in other places that i was in like oh

00:36:45.220 okay like this this actually makes a lot of sense in context and i was really shocked by that i also

00:36:51.900 find the other thing that's very an alignment about both of our stories and it's something that

00:36:57.200 i think christians can use more when they're thinking about how do you actually reach people

00:37:02.380 who aren't Christian yet is we essentially converted to Christianity before we believed

00:37:09.560 Christianity because we didn't think that other raising our kids secular was going to be mentally

00:37:15.920 good for them. And we knew the research. I mean, if you're a scientist, you know, the research

00:37:20.200 people who are Christians are like healthier. They have less depression. They have less like

00:37:25.260 all sorts of, they live longer. They have less medical complications. And so I was just like,

00:37:29.260 well it's if i'm going to be an atheist and say that i believe to live in a way that's logical

00:37:34.540 this is only logical and it was only after we started living that way with these presumptions

00:37:42.140 that things begin to make sense for us and we begin to become more fanatic where at this point

00:37:47.740 i would say i'm i'm quite fanatical but it took and i and i think that this is a pathway that i

00:37:53.660 had never heard a christian argue to me once when i was an atheist just be like well you say you care

00:37:58.480 about the data all the data shows you're better off being a christian well some people are going

00:38:05.440 to be very easily convinced not i know that if someone pulled that on me when i was an atheist

00:38:10.440 i would have laughed at them because like okay you're admitting that your thing is false so

00:38:14.560 you're just saying let's believe a lie so that it's better for us yeah so it will depend on the

00:38:20.000 person there are parts i'll give you an example there i know of one case where someone read the

00:38:25.660 book of proverbs of the old testament and they were so amazed by the wisdom there that they

00:38:32.120 converted on the spot but when i read the book of proverbs a lot of the things there just seemed

00:38:37.300 kind of obvious to me now obviously they're obvious to me because i live in a society that's

00:38:41.400 already integrated them so they that was already drilled into my head since i was a kid but that

00:38:46.940 person had not been drilled into it and so if someone had told me yeah you just need to read

00:38:52.660 a book of proverbs to this person they'll convert i would have also laughed at them they tried out

00:38:56.740 with me that's that's why i don't like a lot of these videos that you see online where people

00:39:01.780 are trying to teach you how to convert people with like very specific arguments because it's

00:39:07.460 just not going to work for most people you have to adapt to each individual case

00:39:12.340 yeah okay hold on i'm really curious because i i want to i want i was surprised to hear that a

00:39:19.160 lack of mentorship is the biggest problem facing people right now to ask about dating right i want

00:39:24.680 to ask about dating too but is the solution to the lack of mentorship just finding good people

00:39:30.180 online because this is how also people end up in really scammy situations no yeah so where it's

00:39:36.400 like is it joining a religious community what is it i would have loved if the answer was joining

00:39:41.220 a religious community that would have solved everything and i was very excited when i joined

00:39:46.280 the religious community especially because the bible keeps telling you about how important it is

00:39:49.540 to join and respect your elders and do those things although it became very clear that my

00:39:54.800 elders aren't elders they're just overgrown children that became abundantly clear very fast 0.84

00:40:00.760 and i i i think i've called other people stupid here quite a few times in our interview but i 0.96

00:40:07.520 actually do take it seriously as the bible says you're not really supposed to go around calling

00:40:10.800 people stupid or to call people fools willy-nilly so it's been a while of contemplation before i've 0.72

00:40:18.000 become so comfortable insulting people who are supposed to be my hires and my betters and a lot 0.99

00:40:24.320 of that has to do just constant direct experience of them showing a level of maturity that even if

00:40:29.760 you were a teenager i wouldn't find it excusable i'm not going to go too far into the details i

00:40:35.120 went a little bit more into the details of tom foe about one one of the scandals on the many

00:40:39.760 scandals that happened there's i can also go into another just there was a time where one of the

00:40:45.740 elders came to teach our young adult group why we should believe the bible and he said the best

00:40:51.640 argument for it was the faithfulness of the jews because the jews survived the holocaust and they

00:40:59.420 didn't abandon judaism that's why you as christians need to believe the bible and that is pretty much

00:41:06.660 like the standard position of the elders just in that church and when i looked around more it wasn't

00:41:13.620 just that church it was every church doesn't matter if it's in this country or that country

00:41:18.440 if they call themselves non-denominational chances are there's something similar to that

00:41:22.200 and it's like okay that sounds i'm gonna be honest if i saw that i'd be like

00:41:30.840 this group sounds potentially infiltrated right yeah yes i fully believe they were infiltrated by

00:41:39.480 not not just things like that but other like they they were very anti-woke ideology publicly because

00:41:45.180 that was a safe thing to say against it was actually funny i remember one sermon where it

00:41:49.800 was all i know this is a very dangerous thing to say nowadays but i don't support gender ideology

00:41:55.260 it's like great yes we established that men are not women and women are not men and you

00:42:00.680 can't magically switch well a great revelation that is it happens to be a revelation everyone

00:42:05.460 in this church already agrees with but then when it would come to hey how about women in the role

00:42:11.680 of pastor suddenly now we can't really discuss that and actually if you discuss that maybe you 0.94

00:42:18.220 have some like pent-up misogyny and you're you're pushing other people away by having these very

00:42:24.440 traditional views but i mean it's in the bible yes it's in the bible but the bible is clearly

00:42:35.080 misinformed we should trust our non-denominational pastor he knows better well no it's it's yeah

00:42:41.840 it was a different time back then we've got to yeah no i i completely agree and i think one of

00:42:49.040 the things that you note here before we go to dating because i do want to pull on this point

00:42:52.460 we gotta go to dating we can't easily trust our elders in the way that we historically should have 0.95

00:43:01.200 been able to because the boomer generation essentially sold out society like i an example 0.95

00:43:08.660 was even just i like my dad i like my family but when he says something like when we were talking 0.57

00:43:15.480 about you know should we come over over christmas or something like that and he goes i don't know

00:43:19.620 we want to have you he's like he's like you know you got all the kids and then Christmas just

00:43:24.480 becomes all about the kids and I'm like yes that's exactly what Christmas is about it's about

00:43:30.840 the children what did you think Christmas was about and just like that level of just like not

00:43:38.580 caring about the custodianship of society or the next generation or anything like that like it's

00:43:43.180 not even in their mental space i was like wow and i think that it is hard to build what we really

00:43:52.020 need to do in terms of our ancestors is look to more ancient texts and stuff like that and

00:43:59.400 philosophy and books and everything like that and and one of the things that is so funny to me and

00:44:05.460 it's one of the reasons why we dress the way we do is when people are like oh you're trying to be

00:44:09.160 trad or whatever right and i'm like what do you even mean trad like i combine ideas from the

00:44:14.920 medieval ages i combine ideas from the enlightenment i combine ideas from the victorian

00:44:18.940 period i combine ideas from the 1950s and everybody thinks when i say trad i mean or

00:44:24.640 society says trad it means like the 1950s but the 1950s was the society that broke and led to all of

00:44:33.300 this. That was the fragile society that allowed the rot that we are now dealing with to come

00:44:40.200 about. And so when you look at the new right philosophies and ideologies, it's much more of

00:44:47.520 a stitching together of the best ideas from every century. I don't know if that's the way you felt

00:44:53.140 in engaging with it or not. Oh, yes, yes. I really dislike this view of history that it goes back

00:44:58.740 years maximum world war ii is the start of history and everything is built around that

00:45:04.140 in fact i've talked about this in previous videos and i will talk about it again in tomorrow's video

00:45:08.800 the idolatry that the world war ii has caused as a founding myth

00:45:13.080 i like that i mean i think idolatry as a concept is something that is not i mean we have lots of

00:45:21.920 videos on this our fan base knows that we're like really against idolatry and have quite an

00:45:26.040 expansive view of it but i think an expansive view of it is useful it has tons of downstream

00:45:31.220 civilizational effects that are probably too spicy for me to get into today right but dating

00:45:37.320 dating tell me about what it is like to i don't know if you have a partner or like where you are

00:45:44.240 in the cycle or what works and what doesn't work or is it just your generation is going to die out

00:45:49.240 what's going on? So after becoming Christian, I did start dating a Christian girl. And the issue

00:45:56.800 we had is that I had very strict standards. We are not going to be engaging in physical activity

00:46:02.300 prior to marriage. The point of these dates are to see if you are a good candidate for marriage or

00:46:07.060 not. And she did not like that because she wasn't used to that. She was used to the modern view of

00:46:12.240 dating where you have fun and i was not a very fun person in that regard and so like by day three

00:46:19.540 where i made my signs very clear i think it was a very mutual understanding like this is not going

00:46:24.140 to go forward and so that was that and then it came to the point where at this point i was also

00:46:29.260 starting to consider leaving my own personal church and then i was leaving the church i was

00:46:34.300 in and that pretty much cut off my connection to the outside world and i became a hermit

00:46:39.460 and i started focusing purely on my startup for a long time and after my startup stalled i started

00:46:46.720 focusing purely on my channel and i look forward to the time i can rejoin a proper community because

00:46:54.040 as useful as it has been to be a hermit so i could focus on my on my potential endeavors

00:47:00.200 uh you need a community and i don't have one and that's been that's been a problem

00:47:05.500 do you have a discord yet oh i do have a discord yeah but online communities are not

00:47:10.360 they're not the same thing they're not adequate replacements oh i well this is one of the areas

00:47:15.480 where it's funny the places where we disagree are the things that everyone would be like oh

00:47:18.760 you're having this controversial person on and i'm like online communities are better than real

00:47:22.960 world communities but i have obviously a wife already which changes yeah and to be clear we

00:47:29.560 were living in the same area when we met even if we were like an hour apart so it's still

00:47:34.120 yeah i mean if i was young and i was dating i would be doing it through online communities

00:47:39.060 because i just and and that even helps with your no no you know sex stuff policy if you're dating

00:47:46.060 online because then you have a reason to have those rules i really do like dates as being a

00:47:51.120 job interview though well like a wife husband interview right but please get married like

00:47:56.240 take it seriously it's it's it's the civilization is dying all that no that's what i want to do

00:48:00.880 that's what i think unless you're called to be a celibate priest and domination like catholicism

00:48:05.440 that should be the on the first goals of every man after it's 20 and he's starting to get ready

00:48:10.400 to provide yeah so by like one of the issues i have is since i'm not part of a constant active 0.97

00:48:16.400 local community the only suggestions i have are either go outside and just approach a woman that

00:48:24.560 i find attractive randomly and then the chances of her being a christian and a christian to the

00:48:29.360 standard that i determine is necessary is practically zero like that yeah so there's

00:48:35.920 pretty there's no point of me approaching a woman just because i find her attractive well would you 0.95

00:48:39.680 i mean what if she would be open to conversion well who knows but i'm not going to it's gonna

00:48:46.000 be a numbers game if i'm just approaching people like coldly people i don't know i don't have the

00:48:50.480 time to invest to go keep going one after another i don't even leave my house that much i'm not very

00:48:55.360 social to go after neither are we by the way we leave our house almost never right so the few 0.98

00:49:02.960 instances in which i will go out i will see an attractive woman the chances of her being the

00:49:08.560 christian to the standard that i consider necessary are practically zero in this country and in this

00:49:13.600 area and so there's there's no point there's no active vetting so if you look at how societies

00:49:20.320 historically did it obviously they had this massive vetting process of your family getting involved

00:49:25.940 and your community gets involved i have none of that i have to vet the fame myself prior and i

00:49:32.600 don't have the means to do that well i mean i i know you're not asking for it but if i was in

00:49:40.480 your position i would be using my community to like let the community know if they want to put

00:49:46.820 in an application this is what the dating process will be like obviously you risk getting catfish

00:49:51.900 and stuff like this to an extent but at least you've got the big view of pool of people that

00:49:57.340 are pre-vetted to like your ideology and it's not the best way to do things right but it is a

00:50:04.340 realistic way to do things whereas hitting on women you meet in person is not really realistic

00:50:10.500 in today's market yeah i mean i i could set up a poll of my of my account and saying hey if there

00:50:17.700 are only single women who like what they've been hearing i'm pretty attractive in real life at least

00:50:22.340 i think i am so uh that helps you you can send out your applications i don't or better promise

00:50:31.140 that that might work for me i don't think it's reasonable to expect men in general to go up no

00:50:38.260 it would work for me in general right well then how could you my issue if i was just focusing on

00:50:43.440 my issue you could create something i mean the the thing that i'm always pushing and that i think

00:50:49.200 that as sort of a what's so fun is that the new right community of creators has i know you're

00:50:57.140 sort of new to it but it really feels like a community where people are reaching out trying

00:51:02.180 to help each other and trying to help their fans move move ahead and and do cool things and one of

00:51:08.580 the things that we're always pushing is like if there is a large societal failure you have the

00:51:15.120 capacity to attempt to fix it yourself especially in the age of ai i mean i don't know how much vibe

00:51:20.000 coding you've done yet but but you could put together a dating system that fixes a lot of

00:51:25.180 these problems it would be work but it would be civilizationally important and you already have

00:51:29.740 an audience i i don't i haven't done much vibe coding and to be entirely honest i'm not confident

00:51:36.760 in the idea i don't want to disparage it because i think someone might be able to make it work

00:51:40.560 i don't think i could make it work okay we gotta we gotta find somebody out there to make it work

00:51:46.160 maybe i'll reach out to rubyard he needs to get he needs to get hooked up to the other

00:51:49.800 young conservative you want to have a religious experience let me tell you what don't don't go

00:51:55.260 to ayahuasca right you know just right that's gonna that's gonna but in a lot of fun to chat

00:52:01.580 with you is there anything that because you said you don't do a lot of vibe coding is there anything

00:52:06.320 that somebody could build that would be useful to you because i i try to help our community with

00:52:11.160 anything we need when gear she came on i made a tip app for her well the most useful thing

00:52:17.260 practically because we have a lot of online organization in the new right we have no in

00:52:21.720 personal organization which really hurts us if we don't have a local community that can defend us

00:52:26.360 for for example i live in europe right and you've probably seen the news of how things are being

00:52:31.000 done in europe and how people are getting stabbed and murdered with no consequence for the murder

00:52:36.540 we don't have a local community to defend ourselves so there is a very real issue if we

00:52:42.560 had a local group of people here that would be willing to like work together and defend ourselves

00:52:47.860 that would be very useful so do you watch redeemed zoomer i have yes yeah so he's been on our show

00:52:54.740 and i think his reconquista project is probably the closest project i've seen to achieving that

00:53:02.000 end in my view i see it as a bit of a pipe dream but other people have explained to me and i think

00:53:09.480 that they have a point here is it's like yes i understand these woke boomer churches you have to

00:53:16.680 hold your nose to do anything in them but they are desperate for young people in leadership positions

00:53:23.000 and if you can just get a group of people together you could take one over with only five or six

00:53:28.900 people so maybe that's the path that that is an excellent path especially for the american audience

00:53:33.880 where there's like a mainline protestant church ever and these mainline protestant churches are

00:53:37.380 cultural hearts so they're very valuable to retake yeah it's not the place that i'm in though there

00:53:42.960 are no mainline protestant churches where i live even though i am a protestant my options are

00:53:47.400 catholic or non-denominational that sucks well and especially if the the two recent episodes we had

00:53:54.020 were on how the vatican has been preventing organizations who are counter to like the woke 0.87

00:54:00.360 agenda from gaining institutional power which has been incredibly demotivational i think to a lot of

00:54:06.180 people but but it's also worth you know being aware of of where we can put our time one of the

00:54:11.540 interesting things that i know one of our us fans was doing just as like where young people are

00:54:18.280 these days is they actually converted and we're going to both mormon and catholic church and

00:54:24.480 we're going to settle with the religion that found them a wife and like jesus take the wheel 0.87

00:54:29.880 but they're like this is the only place where i'm gonna find based women so i'm just gonna do both

00:54:35.320 that's one way to do it i was like that's a that's a way to do it although it's gonna be

00:54:40.760 harder because the catholics get married quite late compared to other christian denominations

00:54:44.920 which which can make it harder if you're using their their cultural institutions 0.93

00:54:48.680 wait you're in europe now i live in europe yes in fact i am depending on how you define it i am

00:54:55.500 european oh wow this is why he he needed his ac on you're very lucky to have it you're very lucky

00:55:03.040 yeah i feel so bad for you like europe is come on it's nice it's nice i know both of us have

00:55:11.080 lived in europe in a lot of places in europe actually and europe just demographically is

00:55:15.940 yes i agree with you yeah a lot of it also is so i'm not if i if i showed you like my dna results

00:55:26.160 i'm not from one european country i'm from several i'm quite the mix because i wasn't born in europe

00:55:32.200 i was born in the european colony and then we went to europe afterwards so first we left that

00:55:39.080 country to go work in a muslim country then we went out to to a european country european but

00:55:43.320 that's where we now live and there's a lot of culture shock here for example europeans seem

00:55:48.520 to forget that the sun exists every winter and they never buy an ac and every year is the same

00:55:55.080 story it's like we have no idea summer got this hot we have no idea we'd be having heat stroke we

00:56:00.200 We have no idea there'll be wildfires.

00:56:01.740 Like, really?

00:56:02.240 It's every single summer the same story.

00:56:05.920 Well, I forgot, though, that, and I was just thinking about it this morning,

00:56:09.480 which is why I asked, the Little Ice Age didn't end until, like, 1850.

00:56:14.000 So I think to a great extent, societally, like,

00:56:16.480 our sort of collective memory assumes that we still live in an ice age.

00:56:21.560 We do still live in an ice age, Simone.

00:56:23.620 Okay, well, but the extra ice age.

00:56:26.020 It was extra chilly.

00:56:27.540 You mean the Little Ice Age?

00:56:28.660 The Little Ice Age, yeah.

00:56:29.600 this is an ice age i don't want to know what the warm age is you don't what i said this is an ice

00:56:35.400 age i don't want to know what the warm age is oh yeah just in case you're wondering because i often

00:56:39.700 have to remind simone of this the definition of an ice age for people who do not know because

00:56:44.640 leftists have brainwashed us into not knowing this is any time in earth's history where there

00:56:50.260 is permanent ice anywhere in the world so if as long as we have the north and south pole as ice

00:56:57.920 caps we are in an ice age definitionally you can look this up by the way i had no idea no they

00:57:06.580 did you know that it used to be multiple times hotter than it is right now in earth's history

00:57:12.260 when life was thriving urban levels have been at multiples higher than they are now in the

00:57:17.860 atmosphere we are actually still at one of the colder parts of earth's collective history

00:57:23.540 that much i know sorry i just have to remind people yeah it was extra cold it was extra extra

00:57:30.840 cold earlier and that's why most of europe was built because also keep in mind most of europe

00:57:35.000 was not built well not most many of the old buildings were built during a much colder period

00:57:40.500 as well well and europe could get even much colder in the near future if the the whatever

00:57:47.400 stream breaks the the current in the atlantic because if you look at where europe is on a map

00:57:53.920 a lot of people are surprised by this but europe is significantly higher latitudinally than a lot

00:57:59.900 or longitudinally than a lot of people are aware of like like midline europe goes through like

00:58:05.500 quebec right like and and so it should be freezing but it's not freezing because of the way the the

00:58:10.860 current moves in a circle in the atlantic ocean basically it moves in a what is this clockwise or

00:58:16.980 counterclockwise clockwise fashion taking up the water from the southern regions nobody cares about

00:58:21.940 this stuff so i don't know everyone's talking about el nino which is probably going to kill

00:58:26.520 the big el nino millions of people this year so that's didn't like a unique thing from our

00:58:32.720 childhood that was supposed to never no no no no it's it's a recurring thing and as far as i

00:58:37.680 understand it it happens when again it's it's the result of ocean currents not going the way they

00:58:42.740 normally go meaning that people's climates don't behave the way they normally behave and people's

00:58:46.960 you know agricultural systems and like housing systems are based on the expectation of certain

00:58:51.660 levels of rainfall or the lack thereof and when that changes everything goes crazy and so el nino

00:58:57.220 is kind of an example climate change will do but that was still getting super off topic yeah and

00:59:06.700 i'm being attacked by well right now it's been great to have you on is there any is there any

00:59:11.580 final thing you want to talk about or anything you want to point people towards

00:59:14.220 well nothing really comes to mind sorry well i really my final question is like is there

00:59:23.120 is there anything that you really wish that more people your age or more people like our age and

00:59:30.720 older were doing i mean if if a lot of people hear what you're saying and are like oh i didn't

00:59:36.180 know people in their 20s were looking for mentors who could actually do good things like would you

00:59:42.440 encourage older people to try to find opportunities to help people in areas where they actually have

00:59:46.660 expertise? Or do you just think that older generations are just so intellectually bankrupt

00:59:51.860 that they can't really help on average? It's actually not worth it to encourage people because

00:59:55.580 they're not going to do it. Or I don't know, what would you encourage people of different 1.00

00:59:59.580 generations to be doing to try to make the world better if they didn't realize that there was an

01:00:03.980 opportunity they should be capitalizing on? So for the older generations, a mistake from very

01:00:09.780 well-meaning older generation people like boomers who don't want to do boomer conservatism 0.65

01:00:14.180 is that they go in and they start trying to teach the current generation and then they get caught 0.88

01:00:20.280 in the fact that my generation does not trust them and we're not used to trusting to mentor people

01:00:25.800 the better way of getting our respect is actually by doing something we really find impressive

01:00:31.660 and then just being open to a younger person going up there and being your apprentice and

01:00:38.300 whatever it is you're doing that's very impressive that that seems very helpful as a thing on mass

01:00:44.380 for the younger generations my advice seems almost opposite i'd say hey don't trust your educators

01:00:51.780 and don't trust this current system and figure out you can trust don't trust me don't don't go

01:00:57.820 to my videos and assume that in four minutes at five minutes whatever i can cover this topic

01:01:02.380 perfectly actually fact check everything i say and do the same for everyone hopefully

01:01:08.620 and see what you can do because right now it's hard to trust people

01:01:13.020 i think that's a really good point it's very solid yeah we live in a world in which reality is

01:01:18.780 falling apart and that to me the one thing that's really standing out in every facet of this

01:01:24.220 interview with you is reality and the fracturing in people's understanding of it in both secular

01:01:31.260 and religious reality and also the the different perceptions of reality people have in that you

01:01:36.500 can't use the same argument to convert someone for example to christianity people have profoundly

01:01:42.900 different conversion experiences and i think people also have very different experiences with

01:01:47.880 reality you've given me a lot to think about we're really grateful for you coming on the podcast

01:01:52.660 because this has been really fun thank you and continue making videos you're doing a good job

01:01:57.920 a lot of people yes don't stop and i hope you could turn this into a full-time job you know

01:02:03.680 obviously that's the goal for all of us but you you have to do so well to get to that level

01:02:07.920 but we'll we'll see if we can get there you you have up until this point done an excellent job

01:02:14.040 and so keep it up and please find a wife i know it's hard my family is also asking me to do my

01:02:22.460 best to try and find one yes that's so good underrated yeah and if you ever need anything

01:02:29.700 within the wider community like the the online right community you let us know and we're happy

01:02:34.600 to make connections or whatever that that could be useful to you yeah that would be very useful

01:02:39.100 i don't have any connections in mind but broadly i want to participate more in in the online right

01:02:43.560 and work with more people well the one connection i can easily make for you because we get invited

01:02:48.520 every year and we used to do the invites is the invite only conservative society that happens in

01:02:55.220 london every year called arc and most of the content creators in our space who are in europe

01:03:01.120 go to it and just to clarify is it is it like recorded do people see who you are there no no

01:03:07.240 no it's a secret event it's like only for you know that's that's what we mean by invite only

01:03:12.680 right like it's it's you have to be like heavily vetted to go okay yeah because one of the things

01:03:19.520 i'm concerned about is keeping my anonymity because i have pissed off a lot of people in a

01:03:23.640 very short amount of time oh yeah yeah we made the mistake of starting this with our faces

01:03:29.540 although i'll admit i will say to you having been in this space for a while everyone i've known who

01:03:36.040 when i first met they were anonymous has had their identity blown like a friend of ours who we talk

01:03:41.800 to frequently is like riot nationalists and completely got doxed another european as well

01:03:47.380 the the what you always find the joke i don't know you know this joke on the right but whenever

01:03:51.920 like a right anonymous person gets doxed they're always like a handsome well well exercised like

01:03:57.540 successful adult and when it's leftist it's like some weirdo troglodyte right but yeah i i will say

01:04:05.160 like it it could happen and prepare for it and in truth i generally the advice that i would give to

01:04:12.800 somebody who is starting this and i know you're not now just starting is to start by being what 0.95

01:04:17.340 they call a face fag like have your face because we have never had to deal with a doxing moment 0.92

01:04:22.920 because we've always been public so people don't see it as a big deal that they found out who we 0.85

01:04:27.480 were but it's it's it's a scary thing to live with i fully expect one day that i will be revealing

01:04:35.840 my faces voluntarily if i do get doxed at some point it's not going to be the end of the world

01:04:40.460 i'm not looking forward to it but it's not going to be the end of the world

01:04:43.440 it will be what it is so i'm not you know what you should do i don't want to i also i'm not

01:04:49.020 scared of it but i also don't want to cause it look up how other right-wing influencers who

01:04:54.520 were sued anonymous got doxxed and tried to learn how they got found out with for example with raw

01:05:01.020 egg nationalist it was his local grocery store right simone that's what i remember reading like

01:05:06.240 he was literally buying eggs from like a nice local farm which was ironic i guess i don't know

01:05:12.060 somebody then tracked like who was buying that many eggs at that store i think yeah it was

01:05:16.960 something along those lines yeah all right just just useful to be aware of the things you might

01:05:24.300 forget that somebody could use but anyway it's been fantastic talking to you i hope things work

01:05:28.280 out for you and we are always a contact for you whenever you need help you let us know okay

01:05:31.920 all right sure yeah thank you so much and yeah i am interested so if you could update me in the

01:05:38.320 future at some point yeah we'll let you know about the next arc it just happened the last

01:05:41.760 arc but i'll let you know about the next one it was like last month or something all right

01:05:45.420 sounds good thank you thanks for having me see you

01:05:47.600 That looks good, right?

01:05:49.520 Yeah.

01:05:49.760 That's a lot of me.

01:05:51.820 Hey, Tex, do you think you look like Octavian now?

01:05:55.020 He can't see himself.

01:05:58.400 Well, he's smiling.

01:05:59.740 You smile a lot.

01:06:01.080 Yeah, and I like it.

01:06:04.080 I like his smile when he looks at me.

01:06:07.200 He's like laughing.

01:06:09.540 Yeah.

01:06:10.540 Yeah, you make him laugh.

Based Camp - July 10, 2026

The ＂Boomer Right＂ Abandoned The West (With Basic Logic)

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