Based Camp - The Catholic Fertility Crisis： Do They Only Have Two Generations Left？!

00:00:00.000 Needed fertility is the fertility rate that you would need to have to stay stable as a cultural group when you account for the percentage of people who deconvert from your religion per generation. 0.98

00:00:10.960 On the other hand, Catholic churches will see appreciable decline.

00:00:15.120 He says that they have 1.9 children, but these don't separate out the Hispanic Catholic population.

00:00:20.120 The TFR for non-Hispanic white Catholic women in the United States is 1.64.

00:00:25.600 Anyway, so he thinks it's 1.9, which it really isn't.

00:00:27.780 Children born per woman is nowhere near enough to offset the rate of conversion out of these faiths, yielding a needed fertility rate for Roman Catholics of 3.1.

00:00:37.580 Whoa.

00:00:38.360 Therefore, these churches, and this is with the inflated 1.9 number that's including the Hispanic population, a 40% decline in the next generation.

00:00:47.800 Wow.

00:00:48.200 Catholics' view that life begins at conception, the problem with this view is that by the statistics, it doesn't really appear to impact the rate that Catholics use contraception or get abortions very highly.

00:01:04.280 We'll go over the survey data right here.

00:01:06.320 Let's go for non-religious affiliation. 0.91

00:01:08.840 So they must be doing it like way more than Catholics, right? 1.00

00:01:11.660 Morning after pills?

00:01:12.540 Presumably.

00:01:12.900 No, 33% to 35%.

00:01:16.060 Hold on.

00:01:16.680 All of this gets worse.

00:01:18.680 It's just going to be like, oh, and it gets worse.

00:01:21.680 How can this possibly get worse?

00:01:22.960 We just learned that Catholics have abortions at rates similar to those who are not Catholic.

00:01:27.260 I know what people are thinking.

00:01:28.680 They're thinking, okay, but this is just lumping all Catholics into one group.

00:01:33.700 What if we divide Catholics by how religious they are?

00:01:38.160 Simone, before we go further, I got more stats for you here.

00:01:41.120 You've got to be kidding me.

00:01:42.120 It can't get any worse.

00:01:43.400 Oh, it gets worse.

00:01:44.620 Every stat here is, this situation is more catastrophic than you could have imagined.

00:01:49.220 Would you like to know more?

00:01:50.880 Hello, this is Malcolm and Simone Collins.

00:01:53.540 We are so excited to be here with you today.

00:01:55.140 And I am excited to be talking to you today, Simone, because this is going to be an episode

00:01:57.700 our fans are going to love because the stat-heavy fertility episodes always do spectacular. 0.98

00:02:06.720 And that's what we're looking at here.

00:02:08.900 Some terrifying numbers.

00:02:11.220 So I have mentioned before that Catholics have a lower fertility rate than non-Catholics 0.99

00:02:19.260 when you control for income.

00:02:21.140 And that Catholic countries seem to be hit by fertility collapse a lot faster and harder

00:02:26.560 than other countries.

00:02:28.220 For example, the average European Catholic majority country has a fertility rate of only

00:02:32.420 1.3.

00:02:33.480 And then you have the rapid declines in fertility across Latin America with examples like Uruguay

00:02:39.840 in just the past seven years going from an above replacement fertility rate to only around

00:02:43.220 1.3.

00:02:44.700 Argentina, if you're looking at the four-year-olds who are entering kindergarten this year, there

00:02:49.620 is going to be 30% less than just four years ago.

00:02:53.060 You look at Costa Rica where a local demographer used the term vertiginous to describe their

00:02:57.980 fertility situation and local women have below one fertility right now. 0.86

00:03:03.700 So just absolutely catastrophic.

00:03:06.360 But what has always been said to me is for whatever reason, this is not true of American

00:03:11.640 Catholics.

00:03:12.880 Okay.

00:03:13.140 Is that true?

00:03:14.440 I idly decided.

00:03:15.800 I had taken it as a fact because so many people had told me this.

00:03:18.780 Yeah.

00:03:19.160 Sounds like it might be true. 0.81

00:03:20.640 The Catholics that we know have a lot of kids.

00:03:22.760 So it seems to be totally check out.

00:03:25.140 Of the pronatalist movement, there are a number of Catholic thought leaders in the movement.

00:03:30.040 So I was like, okay.

00:03:32.340 But, and I will also note, of the pronatalist Catholics that I know of, they fall into two 0.90

00:03:37.860 categories.

00:03:38.420 They are either weirdly unmarried and childless younger people, or married with a lot of kids,

00:03:46.720 older people.

00:03:47.800 But the unique thing about the Catholics in the pronatalist movement is that when they 0.99

00:03:51.620 are younger, they are much more likely to be unmarried.

00:03:55.460 Now, I'll get to this because this actually is what the statistics would suggest we would

00:04:00.360 find.

00:04:01.240 So I decided to Google this.

00:04:02.720 What is the TFR of Catholics in the USA?

00:04:04.540 And I will put the results on screen here.

00:04:07.200 Okay.

00:04:07.480 The very first result is the AI review of the literature, which says in 2023, the total

00:04:14.520 fertility rate for Catholics in the United States was just over 1.6.

00:04:19.300 But then I go down and I find a study that looks into this, right?

00:04:25.040 So the TFR for non-Hispanic white Catholic women in the United States is 1.64.

00:04:30.840 As of, does it give a year?

00:04:32.960 This is the terrifying thing.

00:04:34.840 It does.

00:04:35.500 This study was done in 1992.

00:04:40.400 Ah, oh no.

00:04:42.440 Yeah.

00:04:42.860 So it's almost certainly below that now.

00:04:45.760 Yeah.

00:04:46.040 Because I haven't seen in any instance, there have been tiny improvements, but not any crazy

00:04:51.960 bounce back.

00:04:52.680 So we can't expect it to have gone up significantly.

00:04:54.820 And it is much lower than the Protestant fertility rate.

00:04:58.620 Really?

00:04:58.700 In the same study, the average Protestant fertility rate was 1.91.

00:05:03.140 So 1.64 for Catholics.

00:05:04.960 Now, if these numbers are correct, it means the average Catholic fertility rate in the United

00:05:09.120 States is below the average fertility rate in the United States.

00:05:13.460 What on earth?

00:05:15.300 But we'll go into more data here because I...

00:05:17.780 Okay.

00:05:18.120 Yeah.

00:05:18.520 This is really...

00:05:19.740 Okay.

00:05:19.800 Maybe it's being all set by these ultra-religious Catholics that we're hearing about. 0.98

00:05:23.880 Because I keep hearing about these hypothetical ultra-pro-family, ultra-religious Catholics. 0.54

00:05:28.960 And the stats are basically show that they don't...

00:05:32.800 We'll get to them in just a second.

00:05:34.420 One is an article actually written by a Catholic, for Catholics, the alarming fertility decline

00:05:39.980 among Catholic women.

00:05:42.960 So first, we need to note something.

00:05:45.160 What we're seeing right now, and I'm going to read some quotes here from the study that

00:05:50.100 was looking at this, that they say, this contrast was the pattern during the baby boom era where

00:05:54.840 Catholics had a higher fertility than Protestants.

00:05:56.980 The authors state that, quote, the baby boom era pattern of high Catholic and low Protestant

00:06:02.780 fertility has ended.

00:06:04.720 Most of the...

00:06:06.020 Now, what's causing this difference?

00:06:07.220 And this is where it gets interesting because the studies have actually looked at this.

00:06:10.680 Most of the Protestant-Catholic difference in fertility is related to Catholics marrying

00:06:16.780 later and less frequently compared to Protestants.

00:06:20.780 When looking at currently married women, the difference in fertility between Catholics and Protestants

00:06:25.660 was smaller, indicating later and less frequent marriage among Catholics that's a key factor.

00:06:31.000 The marital fertility of white Catholic wives was still higher than that of non-Catholic 0.88

00:06:36.560 wives in 1977 to 1981.

00:06:40.700 But this difference has disappeared when Hispanics were excluded from the Catholic group.

00:06:45.160 Basically, I'll word this in other words.

00:06:48.060 Once Catholics are married, they have the same fertility rate as other Americans.

00:06:52.900 Not a higher fertility rate, but about the same as other religious Americans.

00:06:56.100 But they're struggling with relationships.

00:06:59.860 So let's look anecdotally, okay?

00:07:02.880 Okay.

00:07:03.920 Let's look at the Catholic influencers that I know about.

00:07:06.680 Nick Fuentes talks all the time about American fertility rates, and he's still unmarried.

00:07:13.580 He cannot.

00:07:14.000 Oh, and Pearl Davis. 0.98

00:07:15.100 Oh, no.

00:07:15.880 Or Pearl Davis. 1.00

00:07:17.840 You subscribe to the channel and subscribe.

00:07:19.740 I don't know what I did to anger her.

00:07:21.200 Maybe it was a tracked episode.

00:07:22.100 You're like, sometimes people just unsubscribed.

00:07:23.620 I'm like, she must have been thinking something when she just did that.

00:07:26.920 I don't know.

00:07:27.240 I still like her.

00:07:27.840 She's cool.

00:07:28.560 I wish she could find a husband, but she hasn't found a husband. 0.93

00:07:31.120 And this is interesting, right?

00:07:33.400 And then I think more broadly at the young Catholics I know in the prenatalist movement,

00:07:36.980 and not one of them is married.

00:07:39.460 When it is actually fairly rare to see unmarried people from other groups.

00:07:44.160 They might be struggling to have a kid, but just completely unmarried?

00:07:47.180 Yeah, so first I want to see if you have some thoughts here, because the stats will keep

00:07:52.560 going and get worse.

00:07:53.880 Yeah, my first intuition, and I wonder if this is maybe at play, is that more Protestant 0.85

00:08:00.900 church communities in the United States have stronger overall community and town social

00:08:06.120 networks, meaning people are more likely to find partners.

00:08:09.400 Whereas I don't really think about Catholic towns, where you would really see a religiously

00:08:14.880 affiliated dating market, the same way you would with, I can think of cities and towns

00:08:20.600 that are very Baptist or very evangelical, and you can end up with a very strong church

00:08:25.360 community there, certainly very Mormon, et cetera.

00:08:28.040 So my hunch...

00:08:28.980 I disagree with this hunch pretty strongly.

00:08:31.660 I think Catholics have great social networks.

00:08:34.480 Consider that a lot of the Catholics, so you're thinking Catholics, but a lot of the Catholics

00:08:38.140 come from minority immigrant communities, like Irish and Italian Americans.

00:08:42.840 And if you think about the Irish-Catholic, it's because you're thinking Catholic broadly

00:08:47.880 instead of about what Catholic communities actually are, which is often ethno-national

00:08:52.900 communities.

00:08:53.920 Yeah.

00:08:54.800 Like the old mafia families is probably what you should be thinking more of instead of this

00:08:59.180 modern idea of what a Catholic is to a Protestant.

00:09:02.480 And these families have great networks often.

00:09:06.080 So I don't think that's it.

00:09:07.480 Now, before I give my hypotheses, I'm going to throw out some more stats here that will further

00:09:11.560 scare anyone who is concerned about Catholics continuing to exist.

00:09:16.480 So this is a quote from Lime and Stone.

00:09:18.560 Likewise, Pentecostal churches will grow with an actual fertility of 2.1, substantially above

00:09:23.860 the needed fertility 1.8.

00:09:25.580 So let's talk about what needed fertility is.

00:09:28.200 Needed fertility is the fertility rate that you would need to have to stay stable as a cultural 1.00

00:09:33.460 group when you account for the bleed that your cultural group has, i.e. the percentage

00:09:38.200 of people who deconvert from your religion per generation.

00:09:41.420 On the other hand, Catholic and Orthodox churches will see appreciable decline.

00:09:46.280 He says that they have 1.9 children in both, but the 1.9 studies are the ones that don't

00:09:50.960 separate out the Hispanic Catholic population. 0.65

00:09:53.320 Now, hold on.

00:09:53.960 I will note here about the Hispanic Catholic population.

00:09:57.140 Why am I considering them separate?

00:09:58.960 Because their fertility rate is declining rapidly.

00:10:01.240 It's declining in their home countries.

00:10:02.860 It's declining in the United States.

00:10:04.300 It's declining much faster than just about any other fertility rate out there right now.

00:10:08.440 So it's certainly not going to contribute to the higher Catholic fertility rate in a

00:10:11.940 few years.

00:10:12.780 When I say higher, I mean, it's a lower fertility rate than you would expect, but it's bolstering

00:10:16.380 the Catholic fertility rate in the United States in some studies, way above that 1.6 number.

00:10:21.100 And the second is that culturally, they're a very different group.

00:10:24.780 The Irish and Italian Catholic cultural groups are just, while they're like superficially

00:10:31.320 the same religion as the Hispanic cultural group, the way that they, as somebody who's

00:10:35.940 lived, like we live a lot in Hispanic majority countries, like we used to split our time between

00:10:40.620 Miami and Lima in terms of where we were living.

00:10:43.200 And both of us have gone to school in the UK.

00:10:45.280 So we've also been around a lot of like Irish communities.

00:10:47.780 They are not culturally the same community.

00:10:51.040 Not at all.

00:10:51.840 Anyway, so I'm going to keep reading here.

00:10:53.880 So he thinks it's 1.9, which it really isn't.

00:10:55.900 Children born per woman is nowhere near enough to offset the rate of conversion out of these 1.00

00:10:59.700 faiths, yielding a needed fertility rate for Roman Catholics of 3.1.

00:11:05.360 Whoa.

00:11:06.140 Therefore, these churches, and this is with the inflated 1.9 number that's including the

00:11:11.120 Hispanic population.

00:11:12.160 Okay.

00:11:12.720 A 40% decline in the next generation.

00:11:15.620 Wow.

00:11:17.300 Like.

00:11:18.700 Wow. 0.92

00:11:19.100 Well, especially, and here's the thing too, they're extra screwed if they're getting 0.92

00:11:23.500 married later because then they're starting their fertility journey later and they don't 0.98

00:11:28.040 believe in using IVF, it seems.

00:11:30.900 And yes.

00:11:31.340 So a lot of this is, I think, actually downstream of the abortion stuff.

00:11:37.320 Catholics view that life begins at conception.

00:11:40.240 The problem with this view is that by the statistics, and we will go over the statistics

00:11:46.120 here, it doesn't really appear to impact the rate that Catholics use contraception or get

00:11:52.760 abortions very highly.

00:11:54.940 Wait.

00:11:55.140 So Catholics in surveys are reporting that they're getting abortions at rates similar

00:11:59.320 to non-Catholics.

00:12:01.000 Yes.

00:12:01.820 We'll go over the survey data right here.

00:12:03.920 Okay.

00:12:04.200 No.

00:12:04.700 So I'll read the quote.

00:12:06.060 Finally, a bit of even more disturbing news for Orthodox Catholics.

00:12:09.520 First, as shown in figure eight, the percentages of Catholic women using so-called morning-after

00:12:13.860 pills is quite high. 0.59

00:12:15.560 Among those who have ever had sexual intercourse, 25% have.

00:12:19.160 32% among never-married women ages 15 to 44 have.

00:12:25.260 So if you look here and you look at the percent who have used morning-after pills, for example,

00:12:31.480 of Catholics, for the overall, it's 25% for the never-married at 32%.

00:12:37.140 Now, contrast this with evangelical Protestants, where for the never-married, it's only 20%,

00:12:41.980 and for the married, it's 28%.

00:12:44.100 Or you can go for Black Protestants, 20%, 21% respectively. 0.93

00:12:48.600 Or you can go with main-

00:12:49.380 Wait, so Catholics are doing it more? 0.98

00:12:51.120 I guess they can ask for forgiveness.

00:12:52.780 They can ask for forgiveness.

00:12:54.100 It's okay.

00:12:54.360 Hold on.

00:12:54.720 But this is of the Protestant groups.

00:12:56.140 Okay.

00:12:56.260 So let's, now, the mainline Protestants do it slightly more than Catholics.

00:13:00.460 So remember, for Catholics overall, it was 25%.

00:13:02.780 For the mainline Protestants, it's 26%.

00:13:05.100 Yeah.

00:13:05.460 So slightly more.

00:13:06.660 And so these, but okay, let's go for non-religious affiliation.

00:13:10.560 So they must be doing it, like, way more than Catholics, right? 1.00

00:13:13.360 Morning-after pills?

00:13:14.260 Presumably.

00:13:15.340 Nope.

00:13:16.000 33% to 35%.

00:13:17.700 For the non-married women group, keep in mind, in Catholics, that 32% who have done it,

00:13:21.880 35% for the non-religious denomination.

00:13:24.520 Now, hold on.

00:13:25.820 This is not a good book.

00:13:27.320 We're going to go into even more chilling statistics for Catholics out there.

00:13:31.340 Oh, no.

00:13:32.540 Figure nine shows the percentages of women who have ever been pregnant who admitted to having

00:13:37.320 an abortion.

00:13:38.520 Okay, yeah.

00:13:39.120 So we're getting into more serious ground.

00:13:41.100 Yeah.

00:13:41.480 Not just morning-after.

00:13:42.780 Okay.

00:13:43.040 So for Catholics here, overall, it was 13%.

00:13:47.480 Never married, it was 20%.

00:13:49.740 Contrast this with evangelical Protestants. 0.68

00:13:52.560 Overall, it's 12%.

00:13:54.800 Oh, no.

00:13:55.240 And never married, it's 19%.

00:13:57.980 Now, if we go to mainline Protestants, okay, these people are, like, not very religious 0.98

00:14:02.560 often.

00:14:03.260 They must be all...

00:14:04.340 No.

00:14:05.060 It was 13% overall for Catholics, 16% for the mainline Protestants, and then for the never

00:14:10.480 married group, 26% when contrasted with the Catholic, 20%.

00:14:13.180 Now, if you look at the no religious affiliation at all here, you actually get a slightly bigger

00:14:17.660 boost with it being 28% and 33% respectively, but still not as big as you would expect.

00:14:24.440 That's a lot of people getting abortions. 1.00

00:14:26.280 That's a lot.

00:14:28.320 Yeah.

00:14:28.540 Wow.

00:14:29.320 It's a lot more people getting abortions than I would expect as well. 1.00

00:14:32.280 Genuinely.

00:14:33.060 Like, genuinely.

00:14:34.200 Apparently, birth control is not as widely used as I thought, which surprises me because

00:14:38.680 I was not sexually active before I met you, and yet I had been on birth control for years

00:14:45.540 to control acne.

00:14:47.160 I don't know.

00:14:47.620 It's just bizarre to me that so few women are on it.

00:14:51.340 Hold on.

00:14:51.560 All of this gets worse.

00:14:53.560 It's just going to be like a, oh, and it gets worse.

00:14:56.520 How can this possibly get worse?

00:14:57.820 We just learned that Catholics have abortions at rates similar to those who are not Catholic.

00:15:02.160 This is...

00:15:02.760 So now we're getting into the next issue, which is, in fact, the...

00:15:07.120 This is...

00:15:07.600 I'm quoting from the article where these come from.

00:15:09.000 In fact, the National Academy of Sciences estimates that at least at earlier versions of

00:15:13.340 the NSFG, that's this study right here, up to half or more of all abortion

00:15:17.580 were not reported by the women who had them.

00:15:19.600 This type of survey error is called selective recall bias.

00:15:23.480 So basically, if you have a strong religious reason to not recall something in a survey,

00:15:27.920 you often won't.

00:15:29.160 What you're saying is a lot of Catholic women who filled this out and said they did not

00:15:32.200 have an abortion have had an abortion?

00:15:34.140 Correct.

00:15:34.600 Have, based on other surveys that have been done.

00:15:38.180 This is a mistake we see in the data.

00:15:40.580 Now we're going to look at another thing here because I know what people are thinking.

00:15:44.200 They're thinking, okay, but this is just lumping all Catholics into one group.

00:15:49.440 What if we divide Catholics by how religious they are?

00:15:53.900 And I have done that here and it doesn't solve the problem.

00:15:58.220 Right here, we are dividing them by church attendance.

00:16:01.300 We have a once a month group, a one to three times a month group, and a weekly group.

00:16:08.300 So less than once a month is the first, one to three times weekly.

00:16:11.180 This is the ever-married, ever-used artificial birth control of any type.

00:16:17.760 So have they used artificial birth control?

00:16:19.880 So of the people who don't go to church or go to church less than once a month, Catholics,

00:16:24.020 99% have used birth control.

00:16:26.600 Okay, what about the people who go one to three times a month?

00:16:30.020 98%.

00:16:30.580 Okay, what about the people who go weekly, the really devout ones?

00:16:34.240 95%.

00:16:34.760 This is so odd because we meet so many Catholic and otherwise harder-aligned Protestant people 0.93

00:16:41.160 who will not shut up about birth control being so unnatural and bad, and yet it's so pervasively used.

00:16:50.480 I guess that's why they're going on about it, but this really surprises me.

00:16:54.040 Hold on, she ain't over here. 1.00

00:16:56.840 I've got to go through a few other things.

00:16:58.040 But also, if that many of them are using birth control, are also that many of them so unconscientious

00:17:02.700 that they don't use it enough to need actually to use the morning after an abortion?

00:17:06.180 That is birth control of any type.

00:17:07.660 Let's narrow it down.

00:17:08.680 Okay, okay.

00:17:09.640 Let's say of the Catholics who were married and ever used birth control that does not include 0.97

00:17:15.880 condoms or vasectomies, i.e. plan B in abortions, et cetera, the pill, et cetera, okay?

00:17:22.120 Yeah.

00:17:22.480 Of the group that goes less than once a month, it's 94%.

00:17:25.280 Of the group that goes three to four times a month, it's 88%.

00:17:30.000 And of the group who goes weekly, it's 81%.

00:17:32.660 So the restrictions are just not that effective within the community.

00:17:36.500 Do you want to talk about abortions?

00:17:38.880 So if we're talking about abortions here, the difference between the groups is 24%.

00:17:45.200 One in four Catholics who goes to a church less than once a month has had an abortion.

00:17:50.460 That's rough.

00:17:51.180 Or is missed to having an abortion.

00:17:52.000 That's why.

00:17:52.320 Wouldn't that just be also mentally tough to go to a church that has such views?

00:17:58.040 I guess it helps that you can confess, but still.

00:18:01.180 One to three times a month, 22%.

00:18:03.920 And then these very religious Catholics that go weekly, okay, weekly plus, 11%. 0.80

00:18:11.340 Over one in 10 Catholics who is going to a church very frequently.

00:18:15.680 If you have a group of 10 Catholics, one of them are Catholic women.

00:18:19.160 So 20 Catholics, but Catholic women. 0.99

00:18:21.280 One of them is at an abortion.

00:18:22.480 What this really says to me is that our message around cultural sovereignty and reproductive choice

00:18:30.400 really matters in that you should focus in on your own group.

00:18:36.580 If you believe abortion is bad, try to get your own group to ban abortion internally.

00:18:42.220 But to impose that on other people is both.

00:18:44.920 We've got to talk about why it doesn't work.

00:18:46.580 But Simone, before we go further, I got more stats for you here.

00:18:49.620 You've got to be kidding me.

00:18:50.660 It can't get any worse.

00:18:52.040 Oh, it gets worse.

00:18:53.100 Every stat here is this situation is more catastrophic than you could have imagined.

00:18:57.340 So the next one is, so some Catholics might be watching this and they're like, yeah,

00:19:03.180 but I know a number of Catholics who attend church weekly and are still not very religious.

00:19:10.460 So what if instead we separated Catholics by how religious they are between very, somewhat, and not?

00:19:19.520 Okay.

00:19:20.160 And we ask the same questions.

00:19:23.060 Ever used artificial birth control of any type?

00:19:25.720 A hundred percent of the non-religious ones, not surprising, but of the somewhat religious ones, it's 99%.

00:19:31.700 And of the very religious ones, it's 96%.

00:19:34.660 If you're talking about had an abortion, of the not religious ones, it was 27%.

00:19:40.740 But of the very religious ones, it was whopping 18% of Catholics.

00:19:45.780 Of the ones who are married and used artificial birth control other than condom and vasectomies, i.e. morning after pill, the pill, et cetera, or abortions themselves.

00:19:54.760 You are looking between 96% of the not very religious ones to 94% of the somewhat religious ones and 82% of the very religious ones.

00:20:05.440 And as a quick but related aside, it is important to remember that if you overlay a heat map of how restrictive abortion access is across the EU,

00:20:16.340 it is going to directly overlap with a heat map of how low fertility rates are across the EU.

00:20:23.340 There appears to be a direct link between how restrictive a culture is around abortion and how low its fertility rate is.

00:20:32.440 So the issue is that Catholics aren't Catholic-ing.

00:20:37.340 And we've got to talk about why.

00:20:38.800 Because they are Catholic-ing when it comes to things like IVF. 0.99

00:20:41.660 They are, and this is a major problem.

00:20:43.540 Like when I say I'm afraid of Catholics going extinct, I very sincerely mean that. 1.00

00:20:48.160 When we have studies showing us that by 2060, 50% of men in the developed world are not going to be fertile anymore.

00:20:55.680 And then you get the, and so if they ban IVF, they're banning 50% of their population from having kids.

00:21:01.520 And they already have terrible fertility rates.

00:21:05.080 And why are they doing this?

00:21:06.780 This is where it gets really tragic and sad to me.

00:21:09.820 So people on our show, they'll know we talk about like high and low Muslim culture. 1.00

00:21:14.000 There is absolutely an iteration of Muslim culture that goes out and defaces things in museums and attempts to start a caliphate. 1.00

00:21:23.680 And basically are barbarians, like in terms of their level, the way that they treat people within their culture and outside of the culture, the way they view outsiders. 0.68

00:21:32.660 But then there's a side of Muslim culture, which is where the Muslim Golden Age did. 1.00

00:21:35.860 And like all of our Muslim scientists come from.

00:21:38.020 And I have a number of Muslim friends who are very enlightened, philosophically engaged people.

00:21:44.140 Like within every culture, you get to choose the high road or the low road, right?

00:21:50.820 And Catholicism, it has a high road.

00:21:54.020 It has its Thomas Aquinas and Augustus of Hippo.

00:21:58.640 But it also has a low road.

00:22:01.600 The mad Pope Pius the Knights, who wrote the syllabus of errors, basically calling for a Catholic caliphate. 0.83

00:22:08.020 For people who aren't familiar with the syllabus of errors, I can read some stuff on it so people know.

00:22:12.940 The syllabus of errors called for people who lived in Catholic majority countries to remove freedom of religion and freedom of press within their countries and create Catholic states.

00:22:22.580 Some quotes here.

00:22:24.140 Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every form of worship and the full power given to all overtly and publicly manifested any opinion whatsoever and thoughts conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and the minds of people

00:22:37.220 and to propagate the pest of indifferentism.

00:22:40.040 And then you can look at other quotes where like one of the things that should be banned or ideas that should be banned in the syllabus of errors is every man is free to embrace and profess that religion, which guided by the light of reasons he shall consider true.

00:22:52.560 Another one is in the present day, it is no longer expedient.

00:22:55.620 The Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the state to the exclusion of all other forms of worship. 0.71

00:23:02.500 He's against these things.

00:23:03.600 He thinks that we need to end this.

00:23:05.340 But he is also the Pope who ordered the great castration. 0.99

00:23:09.160 The going out and ripping the penises off of statues made by cultures. 1.00

00:23:14.360 He's the bad guy. 0.98

00:23:15.000 It was so much like higher than his own that he personally could not even see the worthiness of this art, just like this level of cultural depravity.

00:23:25.380 But here's the problem, right?

00:23:26.620 I contrasted these three individuals.

00:23:28.500 It turns out that the only reason that Catholics today think that life began at conception is because of the mad Pope Pius IX, the great castration guy, the syllabus of errors guy. 0.71

00:23:41.600 Oh, boy.

00:23:42.020 Thomas Aquinas, Augustus of Hippo.

00:23:43.880 They thought life began 30 to 90 days after the fetus began developing.

00:23:49.040 So they'd have no problem with IVF.

00:23:51.680 So you're really getting this option with Catholicism, which is culturally, where do Catholics go?

00:23:57.540 Do they go back to their great figures in their history and try to revitalize a true older form of Catholicism? 0.82

00:24:04.580 Or do they go with the guy who went around ripping penises off statues, an act that to me seems not particularly different from the Muslims who are defacing things in their museums because they see them as an affront to their religion. 0.93

00:24:19.680 And Protestants have gone through dark periods like this as well, where they've defaced things. 0.92

00:24:23.180 I've got to admit, Protestants went through lots of great art and just defaced it. 1.00

00:24:27.340 Because as much as I'm against mythology, I do not believe it.

00:24:29.220 So many Catholic church interiors that used to have priceless art.

00:24:32.520 Yeah, so every culture has a high road and a low road.

00:24:37.020 It's which iteration of that culture do you decide that you want to follow?

00:24:40.900 So I think that's one thing that we have to note here, right?

00:24:43.280 Is if you're going to get married later, you got this issue.

00:24:46.280 Oh, hold on.

00:24:46.680 I've got some more stats here to go over really quickly.

00:24:49.260 Or here, what we're going to do is we are going to put a silver lining on this potentially, okay?

00:24:55.960 That sounds nice at this point, please.

00:25:00.180 Some other stats that we didn't get a chance to mention.

00:25:02.520 Among ever-married Catholic women aged 35 to 44, the percentage having five or more

00:25:06.500 live births dropped more than six times between 1976 and the most recent data, sixfold.

00:25:13.040 But more devout people do have more kids.

00:25:16.680 Okay.

00:25:17.120 The problem is I haven't been able to find this broken out by religion, so I don't know.

00:25:21.340 What is also really interesting in these statistics that I'll put on screen here is that while more

00:25:26.960 devout people have more kids, the number of kids that non-devout people plan on having when

00:25:32.160 they are 18 to 24 actually isn't that much lower than the number that devout people plan

00:25:38.900 on having.

00:25:39.360 It's just the actual realized fertility potential is much higher for the devout people.

00:25:45.300 They're just, and the expectation among the other group just goes down and converges with

00:25:49.220 the number of kids they actually end up having as time goes on.

00:25:51.960 You'll see this in the graph.

00:25:53.340 So that's a little bit of a, maybe there's a way out of this, but now we need to talk about

00:25:57.820 why are Catholics marrying later than other groups?

00:26:01.600 And this is something I can only speculate on, but here is my thought.

00:26:08.760 And of course I have to go into some stereotyping about the Catholics I know.

00:26:12.800 Catholics are typically, in my experience, much more intellectually heady and things need 1.00

00:26:20.620 to be technically correct in terms of how they approach life and much less, I guess I'd

00:26:26.600 call it like passionful in the way that they approach things.

00:26:30.200 It's more, what does the research say?

00:26:31.660 What is he?

00:26:32.220 Very nerdy, but in a type of nerdy that's very divergent with our type of nerdy.

00:26:36.740 Our type of nerdy is very much let's head for the truth and look at the statistics and find

00:26:41.840 out how like the authorities are lying to us.

00:26:44.340 Whereas the Catholic nerdy is let's go through the ancient literature and the great thinkers

00:26:49.260 and everyone, a genius who has written on this subject.

00:26:52.540 I think you need both of these working next to each other in an ecosystem to produce great

00:26:57.000 outcomes.

00:26:57.380 But consider finding a wife with these two hats on or finding a husband with these two

00:27:03.460 hats on.

00:27:04.140 You're going to be much more interested in the particulars of an individual rather than

00:27:09.940 just making it work if you're approaching it with this heady perspective.

00:27:14.740 Whereas if you're approaching it with this, you just have to make things work.

00:27:18.620 And to an extent, like even though we try to quarantine our emotions as much as possible,

00:27:24.700 I would still say there's much more emotional leak into our actions, which may be leading

00:27:31.100 us to sublimate this basically checklist mentality a bit more than Catholics do. 0.97

00:27:37.700 That is one hypothesis.

00:27:39.760 Here's the other hypothesis.

00:27:41.540 It might be that historically, because we do know that historically, as I mentioned in

00:27:45.520 all of these studies, pre-70s Catholics really did have a higher fertility rate and they got 0.71

00:27:49.980 this higher fertility rate by their perspectives on contraception, which did genuinely increase

00:27:55.120 their fertility rate.

00:27:56.800 It might be that the Catholic cultural group was basically able to cheese their fertility 0.96

00:28:01.700 rate for a long time and not develop other mechanisms to motivate people to find partners

00:28:06.460 and have kids because they had the boost from their bans on contraception. 0.94

00:28:11.460 And when those bans stopped being effective anymore, then they didn't have the rest of

00:28:17.280 the cultural technology that motivated kids for the sake of kids instead of because you're

00:28:23.120 having sex and not using contraception. 0.74

00:28:25.480 And so there's all of this talk around, and you see this within Catholic communities, like

00:28:30.700 this elevation of life and children as being these great, glorious things.

00:28:36.920 However, I feel like the way the Catholic community intellectually relates to these concepts

00:28:42.100 is in the abstract and not in the actual.

00:28:46.360 I think it's the same way that they relate to marriage, for example.

00:28:49.620 How much does Nick Fuentes opine on the type of person you need to be to get a good partner?

00:28:55.720 Now, if you're approaching information like a Simone or Malcolm, I would immediately discount

00:29:00.420 anything he says about the way a married couple should live their lives because he, or the

00:29:05.780 way you should go about securing a partner because whatever he's doing clearly isn't working.

00:29:09.940 But a Catholic, like the way that Catholics intellectually relate to information, might actually take 1.00

00:29:14.840 advice on how to find a partner from somebody like him because he aesthetically is giving views

00:29:23.860 that align with great thinkers in history who they have respect for, even if functionally

00:29:29.500 him following those perspectives has shown to not work within our modern context.

00:29:36.540 Yeah.

00:29:37.240 Yeah.

00:29:37.760 There does seem to be a risk with Catholicism of becoming so divorced from, we'll say, like

00:29:46.160 the source material and instead looking at experts who analyze experts and eventually become

00:29:52.200 too separated from the actual religion.

00:29:54.600 But I can't see a direct line between that and fertility rates.

00:29:58.660 I just, I think it's telling one that there clearly is a lot of, we'll say, functional

00:30:08.980 attrition taking place with Catholicism.

00:30:12.040 Like they may, you might say that you're Catholic, but the urban monoculture is driving more of your

00:30:17.620 behavior, if not your thoughts than you would like, or in practice.

00:30:21.040 And then I do think that there's something going on with community formation.

00:30:28.080 Most of the community amenities, services, even missionary work that I've encountered in my life.

00:30:35.880 And of course, this is anecdotal, so it's not great information, but it hasn't been Catholic.

00:30:40.460 It's been Protestant. 0.78

00:30:41.800 And I do think that those are signs.

00:30:45.340 If I don't see missionary work, if I don't see soup kitchens, if I don't see charities, if I don't see

00:30:49.220 auctions, if I don't see events, then I'm probably also not encountering a community that is providing

00:30:54.680 dating solutions.

00:30:56.580 And keep in mind that people often meet each other at these things as well.

00:31:00.820 So I just, I don't know.

00:31:01.760 I don't.

00:31:02.040 So it could be that the Catholic church has so much dedicated to its own.

00:31:06.680 I've actually never been Protestantized to by a Catholic.

00:31:08.260 I'm just thinking about it now.

00:31:09.320 That's what I'm saying.

00:31:10.780 And it could be a structural issue because, for example, most Protestant groups are not

00:31:16.060 really oriented around a large, sprawling church.

00:31:19.480 The attention goes more to mission-oriented things or local community events and programming.

00:31:24.080 Whereas because the Catholic church has orders of priests and nuns and payroll and staff

00:31:30.000 and bureaucracy and internal processes, it could be that it's developed a form of governing

00:31:37.860 bureaucratic bloat that has caused resources.

00:31:41.400 It would otherwise go toward community programming, like mission work, like community services, like

00:31:47.940 matchmaking.

00:31:49.060 Now that's instead going to training priests and maintaining orders of nuns and maintaining

00:31:54.080 the internal apparatus of Vatican City, et cetera.

00:31:57.940 I have two other ideas I've come up while you've been talking here.

00:32:00.480 Okay.

00:32:00.860 Okay.

00:32:01.160 One idea is the aesthetic idealism of Catholics is what is causing them to get married later.

00:32:08.020 So when I talk about the aesthetic idealism of Catholics, I don't even, do I need to explain 0.99

00:32:11.760 what I mean by this concept?

00:32:12.700 Do you know what I'm talking about when I say Catholics are aesthetic idealists? 0.59

00:32:15.120 Like they really like this grandeur feeling, this everything is like, this is the way you

00:32:19.840 do a marriage for it to be just and good, right?

00:32:23.060 This is the way you live your life for it to be just and good.

00:32:26.880 And it's an aesthetic direction of perfection and grace and beauty.

00:32:33.240 And there is, you know, obviously there's something motivating about this, but it's pretty bad at

00:32:37.720 feeling the deal with specific other individuals because it's very easy for someone to not meet

00:32:43.280 this aesthetic idealism in a fallen world.

00:32:46.200 Um, so that could be one.

00:32:49.780 Okay.

00:32:50.580 Next, what if it is downstream of the priest class being celibate?

00:32:58.660 Because you're talking about this giant bureaucracy that the Catholics have. 1.00

00:33:02.400 And one unique thing about the Catholic bureaucracy that is often acting as their dating coaches and life 0.78

00:33:09.320 coaches and psychologists, like when it's functioning correctly, right?

00:33:13.920 They're celibate.

00:33:14.980 They haven't gone through these trials.

00:33:17.120 Oh, and so these, yeah, basically the tribal elders of the Catholic community are not speaking

00:33:22.360 from experience when helping people form relationships or that is to say romantic sexual relationships

00:33:28.300 or get married or find a partner because they themselves did not successfully do that.

00:33:33.920 They didn't want to.

00:33:34.840 It wasn't their calling.

00:33:35.380 Contrast like a young Jew or a young Mormon, right? 1.00

00:33:38.000 I go to my rabbi and I talk about dating problems or finding a wife or something like that.

00:33:46.180 Or I go to...

00:33:48.400 Stake president or whoever.

00:33:50.640 Yeah.

00:33:50.940 Yeah, they're going to probably have a family and a ton of kids.

00:33:53.200 They're going to be able to talk from a position of not sympathy, but empathy.

00:33:57.080 Really, some people don't know the difference.

00:33:58.680 Empathy is when you're talking about an emotion that you've had before and you can put yourself

00:34:01.580 in their shoes through mirroring the emotion through when you've had sympathy.

00:34:04.580 It's when you can imagine what it's like to be them, but you haven't actually experienced

00:34:08.580 something like that yourself.

00:34:09.940 I think you switched.

00:34:11.040 You got it mixed up.

00:34:12.240 I got it mixed up.

00:34:13.320 It's sympathy is one and empathy is the same word.

00:34:16.040 Simone is the smarter one and you're proving it again right here.

00:34:19.520 I'm probably wrong, Malcolm.

00:34:20.700 I just...

00:34:21.600 We'll see.

00:34:22.080 We'll see.

00:34:22.460 I'll just leave this whole thing in.

00:34:23.800 I won't even check it when I'm doing editing and then...

00:34:25.640 A couple things.

00:34:26.100 Okay.

00:34:27.080 I think you make a good point there, though.

00:34:29.300 If the influencers of your space are giving advice, it's going to get...

00:34:34.760 Our general rule of thumb is the advice that you take from someone is advice that's going

00:34:38.480 to get you where they are.

00:34:39.960 And if you're getting advice on relationships from a celibate person who works in a bureaucracy,

00:34:45.320 are you going to end up married?

00:34:46.380 So then consider, like we've got to flip this, consider how this is actually protective of

00:34:53.520 the aesthetic idealism problem I was talking about.

00:34:56.680 So when you go to a rabbi that's actually had to deal with being married to someone and 0.87

00:35:02.480 finding a spouse, and you're like, look, they don't live up to my ideal of what a woman 1.00

00:35:07.020 should be in this area.

00:35:08.320 They're going to be like, buddy, it's like that for everyone.

00:35:10.820 You'll grow together.

00:35:11.900 It'll work out.

00:35:12.980 Yeah.

00:35:13.160 You'll go to the Catholic priest because they've never actually had to deal with these compromises

00:35:18.020 in a marriage.

00:35:18.760 They are much less likely to be compromising on those aesthetic...

00:35:23.780 Yeah.

00:35:24.120 Or you can talk to a nun.

00:35:25.200 She's basically married to Jesus.

00:35:26.840 That's a high bar.

00:35:27.780 She's comparing all men to Jesus again.

00:35:29.980 Yeah.

00:35:30.100 She's comparing your potential husband to Jesus.

00:35:33.480 No, it's hard.

00:35:34.340 And then you've got to keep in mind that as a Catholic, and this is another huge problem 1.00

00:35:38.120 that Catholics have, because of the priesthood, is typically your most devout members, okay?

00:35:45.160 Your fanatics are the people who in a normal religion are pumping out the most kids.

00:35:50.820 In Catholicism, you're mimetically castrating them. 0.89

00:35:53.720 Your most devout members are entering the priesthood.

00:35:58.600 That is how they serve their duty to God rather than by having kids. 0.72

00:36:02.840 So, if I would make a few prescriptive changes for Catholicism, one is the celibate priesthood

00:36:09.960 just doesn't make sense anymore.

00:36:11.700 It's not a biblical thing.

00:36:13.040 It's definitely not in the Bible that your priest should be celibate.

00:36:15.900 This is something that was made up after.

00:36:18.580 It was made up with good reason, I think, when it was first made up to prevent nepotism

00:36:22.600 within church institutions, great reason to do it initially.

00:36:26.300 It doesn't make sense anymore.

00:36:28.020 End it.

00:36:28.820 Two, this life begins at conception thing during the greatest periods, when your church was

00:36:33.380 still this living entity that was producing all these amazing and great thinkers that

00:36:38.280 I look to respect and that I draw religious authority from.

00:36:42.140 Even as a non-Catholic, I can go to the writings of someone like Thomas Aquinas and feel like getting

00:36:48.060 information from somebody who is genuinely touched by God in his writings, and these have

00:36:55.160 theological import to them.

00:36:57.020 Whereas, when I look at more modern Catholic writings, they read like research abstracts.

00:37:03.680 Like, it's the difference between a living and a dead religion, right? 0.94

00:37:07.780 And to bring a religion back to life, you have to bring the theological conversation back

00:37:13.940 to life, which means you need to be having a living conversation about the theology.

00:37:17.780 And that's the final thing I would say.

00:37:18.900 It's that the conversation about the Catholic theology needs to become more of a living thing

00:37:24.840 in the way it is within Protestant communities.

00:37:27.220 If you look at like the pre-millennialist versus the post-millennialist Protestants, and you

00:37:31.320 look at them debating, this is a living conversation.

00:37:33.880 Even if it's like nuanced stuff, they are passionate about this.

00:37:37.600 I don't see this because I watch a lot of like religious communities talking to each other.

00:37:41.460 With the Catholic religious authorities, it always feels more like an academic debate.

00:37:45.500 Yeah.

00:37:46.320 And so it's, how can you bring that passion back in?

00:37:49.340 I think it's by doubling down on the aestheticism, but the aestheticism of the old and the aesthetic,

00:37:54.960 not aestheticism, like being an aesthetic, but the aesthetic drive or morality.

00:38:00.060 I think you can maintain that because I think that's key to Catholic culture, but to aim 0.66

00:38:05.380 for the early church instead of the modern church.

00:38:08.800 Which should take you closer to the true church.

00:38:11.600 Any organization that grows over time is going to drift a little bit.

00:38:14.900 Sometimes you have to reorient back home.

00:38:18.400 Yeah.

00:38:18.640 So to aim for the early church, restructure around that, and to, what would be the second

00:38:23.840 thing?

00:38:24.380 The priesthood thing.

00:38:25.140 I just don't know how you can fix this issue when your entire ruling bureaucracy has never

00:38:30.060 had to find a spouse. 0.95

00:38:31.700 In a world where the difficulty of finding a spouse has become astronomically harder, you're

00:38:37.420 talking about the Mormon prophet, right?

00:38:39.740 He's an old guy, so he's out of touch was what the modern dating market is.

00:38:43.040 But at least he has like some connection to it.

00:38:45.900 Like at least eventually somebody's going to be in that position who has dealt with something

00:38:50.480 like a modern dating market, that will just never happen with the Catholic community.

00:38:55.160 So there is not the same mandate to update their perspectives.

00:38:59.800 And you even have the Pope now calling for people.

00:39:01.900 There was a quote recently that like women need to have more kids and they're shirking 0.93

00:39:04.740 their duties.

00:39:05.900 Wow.

00:39:06.760 That's intense.

00:39:08.780 And I wish there were something more productive to say aside from, I still think the big thing

00:39:15.980 is when people look at falling birth rates and they think that the solution is to impose

00:39:20.840 one cultural solution on everyone, I don't think that's the right answer.

00:39:24.620 And I think cultures really need to look within and solve their own problems before doing things 0.87

00:39:29.160 like trying to universally ban abortion, which is only causing things to become harder for Catholics

00:39:36.200 in many ways, because now a bunch of people are pushing back where they wouldn't otherwise

00:39:39.960 see pushback.

00:39:40.680 So yeah, I also feel like a lot of people may be stepping away from the Catholic church

00:39:46.260 because of these developments, which is only going to hurt them more.

00:39:49.320 So it's very frustrating.

00:39:50.240 And the bands aren't even really affecting abortion rates within your own community.

00:39:53.560 Like instead of focusing on this deontological and like ethical structure to build relations.

00:40:00.520 And if people want to hear more of our Catholic abortion debate, you can go to our video,

00:40:04.260 Who's Actually Killing More Kids, Us Are Catholics, where we go into that question

00:40:07.860 and the theology behind it really in detail.

00:40:11.080 For me, I think the sign that God does not, did not intend us to believe that life begins

00:40:15.540 at conception and meant for us to know this is really clear in the fact that human identical

00:40:20.020 twins exist where the conception happens and then it splits into two humans and chimeras 0.95

00:40:24.680 exist where two different fertilized eggs end up forming into one human.

00:40:30.100 This is something, both of those things don't happen in all species.

00:40:33.300 God didn't need to make them happen in our species.

00:40:35.200 That he did seems like a pretty loud signal that the early Catholic thinkers were right 1.00

00:40:40.400 and not the penis ripoff guy, not the caliphate guy, not the anti-freedom of religion, anti-freedom 0.97

00:40:46.580 of press, anti-... 0.99

00:40:47.980 I think that there's this, oh, this is what we've always thought in perspective.

00:40:52.440 And it's just, it's useful to help break that.

00:40:55.160 And I'm trying to break this, not as an attack on Catholics, but because I want to save the

00:40:59.580 Catholic cultural group.

00:41:01.320 I think that it has something to offer our civilization, but by the numbers right now,

00:41:07.460 if it keeps doing what it's doing, it will die.

00:41:10.680 It will die.

00:41:12.020 Admitting you have a problem is the first step to hopefully doing something to address it.

00:41:16.980 And I hope that awareness is raised about this actual issue because clearly the current stances

00:41:22.900 being taken are not effective and a lot of introspection and inward looking, I think,

00:41:30.200 would do good.

00:41:31.420 And I also think more focus on the actual infrastructure of relationship formation within the Catholic

00:41:37.320 Church needs to be revisited.

00:41:39.080 Because one reason why probably people are even getting the abortions that they're getting 0.98

00:41:43.620 is because they're not married.

00:41:45.300 And I bet if they were in unhappy marriages at younger ages, those abortions would have 1.00

00:41:50.960 turned into live births, which is really sad too.

00:41:53.820 So I think that's where it should be.

00:41:56.120 Here's the real fix.

00:41:57.340 Some of the Catholics that have reached out to us have indicated that they live in small,

00:42:01.180 all Catholic communities that are very high fertility rate and absolutely religiously zealot. 0.98

00:42:06.140 Yeah.

00:42:06.320 These are the communities that will end up replacing the current Catholic Church and potentially 0.98

00:42:12.020 saving it.

00:42:12.740 I'm super okay with that because these people we've met are awesome.

00:42:15.840 Yeah.

00:42:16.060 But the challenge that these communities have is they are ruled by a central bureaucracy

00:42:19.920 that is much more moderate than they are.

00:42:21.980 And that's out of touch with them for sure.

00:42:23.540 It is so challenging to be a community that is being dragged towards the urban monoculture,

00:42:30.640 not just from the culture around you, but your central ruling bureaucracy, which is setting

00:42:37.040 your church mandates.

00:42:38.580 I think what we really need to see is a Catholic break-off church. 0.99

00:42:41.380 I think that's what's going to serve us.

00:42:43.900 We'll see.

00:42:45.320 Or an order.

00:42:46.240 Oh, this would be interesting.

00:42:47.420 An order.

00:42:48.200 An order of nuns slash priest-like Catholics that all take a vow to be high fertility and 1.00

00:42:54.700 incredibly religiously zealot.

00:42:55.860 The order of families.

00:42:57.060 I like it.

00:42:57.860 Very cool.

00:42:58.540 The order of fecundity.

00:43:00.000 Anyway, what would you call them?

00:43:01.160 The baby friars? 0.97

00:43:02.860 No.

00:43:04.460 The family order.

00:43:06.320 I love you.

00:43:07.460 I love you too.

00:43:08.280 Have a great day.

00:43:08.660 And I do hope the Catholics have solved this because I'm worried after seeing these stats.

00:43:13.020 We love you, Catholics.

00:43:14.000 Good luck.

00:43:16.020 We can't help, but hopefully you've worked this out on your own somehow.

00:43:19.540 Try some IVF.

00:43:24.440 You look very pretty, by the way.

00:43:26.460 So do you.

00:43:28.200 I know the white is better.

00:43:30.180 I know.

00:43:30.800 You try hard.

00:43:31.480 I said I looked like Dobie the house elf, and so I figured gray.

00:43:36.020 It's Dobie, by the way.

00:43:38.340 Appropriate for me.

00:43:39.140 All right.

00:43:39.360 Let's do it.

00:43:44.760 This way.

00:43:46.000 This way?

00:43:47.520 Yeah.

00:43:48.180 Where are we going?

00:43:51.100 Okay.

00:43:51.760 You have fun?

00:43:53.660 Good.

00:43:54.060 Good.

00:43:54.180 You guys like eating in a raw meat crunch?

00:44:22.920 Why do you want to?

00:44:24.340 What do you think of it?

00:44:31.140 Are you gonna leave for the big vehicle?

00:44:33.740 Go for it, buddy.

00:44:34.540 Bye.

00:44:34.620 Bye.

00:44:34.900 Bye.

00:44:36.340 Bye.

00:44:40.400 Bye.

00:44:45.420 Bye.

00:44:46.060 Bye.

00:44:47.400 Bye.

00:44:48.080 Bye.

00:44:48.580 Bye.

00:44:49.460 Bye.

00:44:49.500 Bye.

00:44:51.120 Bye.

00:44:51.260 Bye.

00:44:51.640 Bye.

00:44:51.840 Bye.

00:44:52.080 Thank you.

Based Camp - June 20, 2024

The Catholic Fertility Crisis： Do They Only Have Two Generations Left？!

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