The Conversation We Are Not Allowed to Have (Victim Blaming)
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Summary
In a hypothetical world, where victim blaming was not a concept that was shamed, how would we deal with it? What would we do in a world where there was no such thing as a "victim blaming" culture?
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We're just talking hypothetically and taking on characters in this episode
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Somebody quotes us in this episode and they're like,
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I was like, could you not tell this was a comedy episode?
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I am saying these are the type of questions that in a hypothetical world
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where victim blaming was not a concept that was shamed.
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how would we test whether the phenomenon of men physically abusing their
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wives is caused primarily by the wives or caused primarily by the husbands?
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of you in weird science world where we only care about data.
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I guess what we would need is a control situation.
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We would need a population where some women dated women and some men dated men.
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And then we would need to look at the level of physical abuse within these two
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What are the physical abuse rates in lesbian relationships?
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What are the physical abuse rates in male gay relationships?
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They're much lower than in straight relationships and male gay relationships
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And why would you let someone else cancel you when you can just cancel yourself?
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Blaming is one of these really interesting things where I think it started as a good
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The way that like, don't be ashamed to see a psychologist movement was really healthy
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You know, some people needed to see psychologists back when psychologists were still healthy.
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And then it became a never, ever criticize the psychologist for doing anything and never,
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ever say somebody should stop seeing a psychologist that they're seeing because that person is
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And then that allowed cult-like abusive practices to begin to proliferate within the psychologist
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community because you are not allowed to tell somebody anymore.
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Hey, actually the things that psychologists are doing with you are actually very similar
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How dare you shame me for seeing a psychologist?
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It's always valid to go to somebody who affirms anything I do, no matter the cost of myself
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That's what I need, my affirmer or the person who tells me, oh, you have some deep seated
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thing in your past and you can only fix it by coming to see me repeatedly.
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But then the same thing happened to, and you know, that's dependency right there, right?
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And then the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the same thing ended up happening with this
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And we're not talking about victims of, you know, systemic racism, natural disasters, blah,
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But, but there was a reason, like it used to be too common in the past.
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People would see a woman who'd get graped and they'd be like, well, you know, look at
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You know, these are women who are going about their work, going about their lives, you
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They hear of an attack like this and they would say something like, how could this have happened?
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And, and, and then their initial reaction is to say, well, it must have been the victim's
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And this is something that happened in society.
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Like this is a natural inclination that humans have to want to blame the victim.
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And so it was important that we had a movement that pushed against this, but the movement
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went insane and ended up creating a prohibition because like, you know, if you look at our
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big bill on signalers and people who are status signaling, they realize they can raise their
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status within their group by pointing out this behavior and others, even when it was a
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justified behavior, that ascribing any fault on the part of a victim of something, i.e.
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that in any way they contributed to the probability of that thing happening to them was an immoral
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thing to do and lowered your status was in the community.
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Now this is a problem because like, obviously there is always some level of, I did something
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that increased the probability that a negative thing happened to me.
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You know, I'm reminded of the Die Hard scene, right?
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I don't know if people remember this, those things from Die Hard 2 or something, where the
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guys walking around a black neighborhood was like racist billboards on him or something.
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And you're like, oh my God, because the bad guy is making him do this.
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Not to get too personal, but a white man standing in the middle of Harlem wearing a sign that
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Now you've got about 10 seconds before those guys see you.
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You know, you are scared for this individual in this environment and, you know, somebody
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comes by and is like, hey, you shouldn't be doing this and tries to, you know, and that's
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how he ends up with his, I think, partner for that movie.
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But the point being is if that individual ended up getting shot or injured in that community,
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you can be like, well, how dare you say that the fact that he was walking around with a
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racist sign in a predominantly black community, how dare you say that influenced the crime?
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They'd be like, yeah, of course that influenced the fact that he was injured.
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Like a child gets hit by a car because they ran across the street without looking both ways
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Like, I'm sorry, that is a horrible thing to say it is partially that child's fault.
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You can be like, well, the child wasn't fully sentient yet or anything like that.
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If an adult crosses the road without looking both ways and they get hit by a truck and I'm
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like, look, obviously the truck shouldn't have hit them, but it is partially their fault.
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And they're like, well, that's a horrible thing to say.
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It is, okay, it's a horrible thing to say, but there is a reason we need to be able to
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It is because if we don't do that, then I cannot learn from that incident.
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I cannot say, oh, it is dangerous to cross the road without looking both ways.
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And then I cannot teach my children about that.
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I can't say, if you don't look both ways before crossing the road, you may be hurt.
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And somebody's like, come on, nobody's saying that.
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Imagine I say to my daughter, if you go to a nightclub dressed like that, you may get great.
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And then somebody's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I am merely pointing out an increase in statistical odds due to a behavioral pattern.
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If you go down a dark alleyway by yourself at night, this bad thing may happen to you.
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And somebody would be like, nobody is actually out there occluding people learning about these
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So I can speak from personal experience on this because I was raised in a culture where
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victim blaming absolutely 100% was not permitted.
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But then I also was completely blithely unaware that doing certain things was going to put
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me at risk of certain things happening or that there were even implied expectations to
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So I mean, a lot of this happened when I was traveling and whatnot.
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Like, I would walk around Beijing or Tokyo, like, wearing a miniskirt and fishnets and
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Like, well, of course, because I was walking around alone as a teenager in a major city wearing
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There was another instance when I was in college where a guy invited me to go to a concert with
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So like the plan was to just bus up and then bus back and then like sort of pull in all
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nighter and call like the first bus in the morning.
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And then like later he updated me like, oh, my dad got a hotel room.
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So, you know, we're not going to be out on the streets all night.
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And then, you know, like it, you know, surprise, surprise that like I get to the hotel room,
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And he starts hammering back screwdrivers and I'm like, oh, okay, whatever.
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I decided to cut the meat out of this story because it's very uncomfortable to listen
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All you really need to take away is that the situation was very, very dangerous for Simone,
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However, if things had been slightly different, it could have gone very poorly for her.
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It was a very awkward night and nothing ultimately happened, but it did then lead to him being
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really mad at me and me feeling really like confused and kind of scared by what happened.
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And like, that's because no one had told me, like, if you put yourself in this situation,
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if a guy pays for a private room for you and you go into the hotel room and then, and then
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you, you get into a bed and then he starts drinking like, you know, and I went, I still
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didn't realize that this was an issue when I came back and I told, you know, like my roommate
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Then he's just like, Oh, that, that is not okay.
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Well, and, and if people can't understand, so Simone, you got really lucky that this guy
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Um, but a lot of women end up putting themselves and people don't understand.
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They can be like, that should have been the most obvious thing in the world.
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You, you guys have seen her as an intelligent, thoughtful person because she grew up in an
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environment where this view of slut shaming or sorry, where this view of victim blaming
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was so extreme that she was never saw basic things around expectations that may be set by
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She put herself in an incredibly dangerous situation.
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Like this is when you fight against this, when you fight to say, actually, we do need
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Like people who put themselves in very risky positions are going to be subject to this regardless
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of, you know, who they are and what race or gender or background or educational level
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This is about what risks are you subjecting yourself to, right?
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And we need to understand that risks are not fair.
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It doesn't mean you shouldn't be educated about them.
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If you are X ethnicity, you probably shouldn't go into Z neighborhood and do B.
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This is something that historically we understood it.
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It's not good that that happens, but it is good that we teach our kids that that happens
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Now we have entered a society where you cannot do that.
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And that creates enormous, enormous risk for young people.
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So I'm going to talk about some statistics that are shocking and that allow you to investigate
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issues that we as a society are told we are not allowed to investigate.
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So I, as an outsider, somebody who is not concerned about whether, and keep in mind,
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all of this is just a hypothetical framework here.
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I am saying these are the type of questions that in a hypothetical world where victim blaming
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was not a concept that was shamed, somebody might ask.
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And so somebody in this hypothetical world might ask a question like, is it women's fault
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And then another person would say, how dare you ask that?
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So somebody can't ask in this world, how dare you ask that?
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Instead, they would ask, how would we test that?
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How would we test whether the phenomenon of men physically abusing their wives is caused
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primarily by the wives or caused primarily by the husbands?
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And then the other person would say, ah, of you in weird science world where we only
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I guess what we would need is a control situation.
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We would need a population where some women dated women and some men dated men.
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And then we would need to look at the level of physical abuse within these two populations.
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And unfortunately, lo and behold, this is possible.
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What are the physical abuse rates in lesbian relationships?
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What are the physical abuse rates in male gay relationships?
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They're much lower than in straight relationships and male gay relationships and much higher in
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Now, caveats, caveats, throat clearing, et cetera.
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It may be that men are just far less likely to report abuse.
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It may be that women are far more likely to over-report abuse.
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I'm not saying that in our world, lesbian relationships are much more likely to have physical abuse
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or that gay relationships are much less likely to have physical abuse or that this would mean
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I'm just saying you as a viewer, hypothetically, if you were to look this up, what conclusions?
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And you did live in this alternate world where all these things were true, which obviously isn't
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But it gets more interesting than that because I also look in my own life of instances where I have
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seen physical spousal abuse, which have been rare, but I know really only one in my larger
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One, it was because his partner kept stealing things from people and he kept telling her
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The other, the partner, this guy was living on a very tight budget, like they were not doing
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And she went out and splurged on designer purses without his permission.
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And sometimes I wonder, obviously, these are all hypothetical situations that didn't really
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happen and I'm not discussing my real opinions here, but these are all situations where I
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just have to wonder, like, I don't abuse Simone because when I went into a relationship, I
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vetted for a partner who I respected and who I admired and whose actions I always knew were
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motivated by a desire to make the world a better place and to achieve her personal value
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And if my partner, if Simone ever strayed from that path, I would leave her.
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If she ever started acting in a way that was optimized around personal vanity or hurt other
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members of the family, I would leave her before I would ever physically abuse her.
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However, there are certain people in this world who just are unwilling to do that.
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They are primarily concerned about themselves and their vanity and how they signal to the world.
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And there are certain other people in the world who can't get a better partner than that.
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And I think that this is partially why physical abuse happens was in relationships where people
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Well, and I think often there is abuse on multiple ends.
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Sometimes one partner physically abuses after being emotionally abused.
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I would also, I mean, I personally would see it if I had very limited funds and somebody without
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So, I mean, I think another issue with some forms of spousal abuse is that the abuse that
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gets prosecuted, reported, and seen as societally most unforgivable has been triggered by other
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forms of abuse that society doesn't, for whatever reason, see as egregious.
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And I do think that this is a very, very difficult moral situation.
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Because, for example, you have honor killings where a family will kill a female relative because
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they feel that she dishonored the family in some way.
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Which to most people, that would be entirely like, she didn't do a thing.
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And then they think it's right to kill her as a result.
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So, I mean, like, I do think that it gets very, very dangerous when violence is the retaliation
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Well, violence is the retaliation that people choose, often not as a first resort, but
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I think usually when violence is chosen, it's either because the person is mentally impaired
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because of drugs or alcohol, or they're just generally mentally impaired, or they feel
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that they have no other way to effectively communicate with their partner.
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Right, like they've tried everything else and they-
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They tried telling them, don't take the family credit card and spend all our money.
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And they feel that it would be better to be physically abusive than it would be to leave
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I think that this is a minority of cases of spousal abuse.
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I actually think that the majority of cases of spousal abuse are due to mental impairment,
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i.e. drugs, alcohol, and stupidity, and lack of emotional control.
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But I also think that there is a level of reciprocality to this, as Simone pointed out,
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is one partner is abusing the other partner in a way that is socially accepted.
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And so we don't see that a lot of really terrible people deserve each other.
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You know, somebody comes to me and they go, look at all these horrible things my wife
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And I know this is terrible because now, oh gosh, this is going to really piss off the
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Even men are responsible for when they are emotionally or financially abused by their wives?
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Generally, my thought, when somebody comes to me, a man comes to me and he's like, look at all these
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Like, it's either something that you're doing in terms of how you're sourcing your partners,
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or it's something that you're doing in terms of how you're relating to your partners.
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Because I have, you know, as I've talked about, I've been in tons of relationships.
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I never, like, it's not that I never had partners who did things that were manipulative,
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but when they did, I broke up with them immediately before the situation ever escalated.
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I never allowed somebody to treat me like that.
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Mary, you didn't, you didn't expose yourself in a way that would allow you to be manipulative
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And I think a lot of this is like, people are, are allowing themselves to be exposed in
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I'll also say somebody will be like, yeah, but what was a man?
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And a woman can claim you raped her if you leave her.
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I actually had one person threatened to do that to me, threatened to say that I had raped
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And then in that situation, you need to be very careful.
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A man beating you is so much worse than a woman claiming you raped her.
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And I'm like, are you actually serious saying that?
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Do you understand that you can have your whole life ruined?
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If you're a woman and you survive that, even if you walk with a limp or something, I would
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prefer a limp or even the permanent facial deformation than a rape record on my public
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Yeah, it would be interesting to do a poll of like both men and women, like, would you
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rather live with X or Y, like, you know, permanent rape accusations or like having like
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being kind of beat up, like pretty beat up, maybe to the point of hospitalization.
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Well, hospitalization and permanent, like, like maybe a limp or permanent, like scars or
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Yeah, although I don't think most cases of domestic abuse.
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Yeah, but yeah, you're just going all the way to be that.
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So I just I want to point out two important points on this issue that I think need to be
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One is that I think a big culprit in this problem becoming a problem in the first place
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And the reason that they don't tell women that they shouldn't dress a certain way or
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they don't tell their children that they shouldn't go to a certain neighborhood or they shouldn't
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do this or that thing is because it's not fair.
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It's not fair that I can't walk around a city in a miniskirt and not be good.
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It's not fair that I can't, you know, be in a hotel room with a guy and not have him
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Right. Like it's it shouldn't it shouldn't be that way, but it is that way.
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And because the world isn't fair, it's just that I think there's this weird like perversion
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where like we want we're like we're trying to dress for the world we want.
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We're trying to dress for the job we want or like we're trying to behave for the world
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that we wish existed, but that world doesn't exist.
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The other point, and I think this is devastating, but also something that is not discussed enough
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that may be too spicy and you may have to take this out, is that it's under it's under
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discussed the extent to which sometimes being in an abusive relationship is better than the
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counterfactual that that some people stay in abusive relationships because the amount
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of resources or safety or happiness otherwise that they're getting out of it makes the bad
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stuff worth it and that many people are being abused over a long period of time because they've
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made a mental calculation that is sober and logical and they've decided this is better than
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the alternative. And I think in many cases, abuse crisis centers and stuff like that don't
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they make things worse because they're putting women in very dangerous situations saying like
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you either have to get completely out of this relationship or we won't help you.
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And I just want to point that out. Like sometimes people-
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I need to highlight what she means by this because I think people may not be, imagine you
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are dating a billionaire and this billionaire is abusive to you. And I won't say that like
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we have friends in this situation, but like we probably not billionaires, but like very wealthy
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people who have dated women and clearly were abusive to them. And the woman's like, look,
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I don't have a skillset outside of being a trophy wife. If I divorce this guy, he's got a solid
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prenup. My life is worse than being abused. And people are like, Oh, how could you say that?
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And they're like, no, but really think about it. Would you rather have somebody beat you every day,
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but have, or, or cheat on you every day in front of you or degrade you every day and have to never
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worry about money, have all the luxuries you could want at your fingertips. And the alternative is,
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is that you are living under an impasse or in a homeless shelter. I think most people who aren't
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caught up on this sort of bizarre pride hypothesis that our society has today would be like, yeah,
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that's better. Or imagine I even reframe the question. Somebody's abusing you every day,
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but your kids get their college paid for and your kids get to go to private school.
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What do you do then? A lot of people would say, this is a no duh thing for me.
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Yeah. And you have to like, consider that a lot of jobs or just like menial factory work that is just
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mind-blowingly depressing and boring. And, and just, it takes your soul away or many customer service
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jobs. Like the amount of verbal abuse that some people are subjected to just through their work
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every day is worse than the verbal abuse they might be subjected to in a not good relationship
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that maybe gave them more financial security or connections that allowed them to get a better
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job. Right. Like there, there are trade-offs. And I think people discount also how, how, how cruel
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The average world for a, a person without a college degree and, and, and with a college degree,
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all sorts of people, like depending on who you are and where you are, like just the real,
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the real world story, you know, when people are like, Oh, don't you know all the terrible things
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that happened to women who work in the sex work industry? And she's like, bitch, do you know what
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I was doing before sex work? I was working in a factory. Okay. I hated every second of my life.
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And I then was able to do something that yes, it was degrading. And yes,
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it opened me up to risk in life, but look at where she is today. Look at who her friends are
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today. Look at her. Like she could like a lot of people. Well, and I, you know, I think it's
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degrading by some people's standards, but like to other people doesn't really matter. And like to her,
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I think working in a factory was way more degrading than doing what she did. What she did was like an
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intellectual exercise that was very interesting. She optimized a ton. She learned a lot. She built a
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platform. Like, I think a lot of it also has to do with like people's personal preferences and to
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some people, like just like literally like living in a shabby house and not being able to like buy
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designer bags is, is, is way worse than being in a very bad relationship, but having all those things
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and like, you just, I know what you're thinking of, but sometimes you have to trust that someone
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understands what they care about. Yeah. But I also want to go to the A-list situation because I think a lot
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of people, they see like our culture line, like we like A-list. We'll have her on the show again.
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We, we, we think pretty highly of her. And they're like, well, what you mean is you have differences
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of opinion, but like, you don't actually agree with her lifestyle. Right. And I'm like, no,
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I actually do agree with her lifestyle. Even if it was my daughter, if, if, if the alternative to sex
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work was spending every day as a menial peon in a factory and having no alternatives to that in life,
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because she did not have alternatives at that time of her life, I would say, I'd rather you,
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I don't want you to go down this path. I don't want like, like as me, as a dad, I would prevent
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this from ever happening. I'd give them money. I'd try to help them. I try to get them out of that
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situation, but she didn't have a family at that time. She had been disowned by her parents.
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She was completely on her own. She had no formal education.
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And she hadn't been raised to believe that she was able to take other types of jobs on.
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She just had been raised to believe that she was going to be a, a mother and housewife,
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not homeschooling kids for her entire life. So she didn't even know, like she, she wasn't given
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the, the worldview that would allow her to even do anything different. So like, come on.
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I think that we as a society have entered this stage where we are unwilling to see that there is
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often no better option for many people in the, in the more desperate parts of society. I often say
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that seeing Ayla's story as an outsider is like, and being like, wow, she's a slut. It's like seeing
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the ballad of Fancy May and then being like, wow, Fancy, she was real slut at the end of that story.
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And it's like, were you not paying attention? I'll play it here, Simone, because I know you
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I have no idea. Sorry. I guess I'm just not cool enough.
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She handed me a heart, she blocked it, she said to thine own self be true. And I shivered
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as I watched a roach crawl across the toe of my issue. I was going to be a lady someday,
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though I didn't know when or how. But I couldn't see spending the rest of my life with my head
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hung down in shame. You know, I might've been born just plain white trash, but Fancy was my name.
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She said, here's your one chance, Fancy, don't let me down. There's a lot of self-righteous
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hypocrites that call me bad. And criticize mama for turning me out, no matter how little we've had.
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But though I ain't had to worry about nothing from now on 15 years.
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Thank you. Okay. Guess I'm not American enough. Jesus. Sad. But yeah, I mean, I just, yeah,
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I think it's an important conversation and it, this is definitely something that, that colors the
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way that we do and plan on raising our kids. And that, I think this is very connected to this
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internal locus of control thing. You know, the, the never blame a victim is an external locus of
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control heuristic. Whereas the blame the victim, even when it's not the victim's fault at all,
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is the extreme of an internal locus of control heuristic. So you can only imagine like culturally,
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of course, we're going to take this position. Like you, anyone. When we're raising our kids,
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I'd be like, I does not matter if you were the victim or not. You are always responsible for
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the things that happened to you. And so we'd be like, how can you say that? And I'm like, look,
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a person who believes that they are always responsible for the things that happened to
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them in the individual decisions that they make are going to be less likely to make the decisions
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that lead to bad things happening to them. Somebody can be like, Ooh, that's so consequentialist.
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So you only care that you lower the probability that your children get graped and you don't. Yes.
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Yes. That is all I care about. Yeah. Grow the fuck up. Okay. You idiots. I'm so sick of this
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nonsense and the damage that's caused by it because they are leading to real people getting murdered by
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their partner. They are leading to real people getting graped. It was a good sentiment to begin with,
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but now it causes infinitely more suffering than it relieves. And you do it because you are a
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justical and you pretend that by not telling women that if you do X and Y, you are more likely to get
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graped, that you are lowering the number of women who get graped. When that is objectively not a true
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thing, you are increasing the number of women who get graped because you didn't warn them and you let
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them enter situations like the one Simone entered. It is just as evil as saying, I won't victim blame.
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Therefore, I won't teach a child to look both ways before crossing the street. What you are doing is
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evil and you are evil. And genuinely, I hate you almost as much as I hate the grapest of this world.
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Come here, kids! I'm going to tie you in the radiator and grape me out!
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Okay, that's how he grapes people. That's what he does. No! He's the grapest. These kids were
00:31:44.220
obviously horrified. Not that girl. Look, she's totally asking for it. What? Look at her. She's
00:31:50.980
begging to get graped. Will you listen to yourself? Look what she's wearing. It's purple.
00:31:59.100
Oh, God. Oh, boy. And that's just a side note. You know, whatever.
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You may direct your hate mail to Simone and Malcolm at wedonotcare.com. We are very sorry
00:32:12.140
and we apologize and take back absolutely everything we say. Not really.
00:32:16.400
Yeah, no, all of this was discussed in a hypothetical universe where people-
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100%, yeah. We're just talking hypothetically and taking on characters in this episode because-
00:32:24.800
Yeah. Yeah, no, this is not us. Somebody quotes us in this episode and they're like,
00:32:29.940
can you believe they said this? I was like, could you not tell this was a comedy episode?
00:32:34.980
Yeah. Complete deepfake comedy nonsense. And the fact that you didn't get the joke
00:32:43.900
Because the joke was against- Stop, you're blaming the victim again. Oh, no.
00:32:47.700
Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Well, the joke was against the greatness. It wasn't against the individuals who
00:32:53.700
were victims. They were the people that we were trying to stand was this joke. And I mean that as
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sincerely as a human could. And this was all an alternate world, Malcolm and Simone, in this
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I love you, Simone. You're great. And I appreciate that you're the type of woman who doesn't, you know,
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you're amazing. Well, I was different, right? I was the opposite version of this.
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And I got burned. And I didn't even realize I got burned. And who knows? Like, the stuff that
00:33:22.320
could have happened to me, really, it is very fortunate that worse things have not happened to
00:33:29.920
me based on the way that I knocked about the world with this old mindset. I could have been one
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of those girls who was like, I'm going to go backpacking through the Middle East. And they
00:33:38.380
subsequently disappear. That's one of my favorites. It's the most horrifying story. I don't know
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anyone who's ever heard it. But there was this girl who, you know, a lot of people go like
00:33:46.320
hitchhiking, backpacking around the world. And she said, I am going to prove that the Middle East
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isn't dangerous for women. Because it's not in a justicalist mindset. They don't care what's true
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or what's not true. They care what would be just if it was true.
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Yeah, they're living for the society they wish existed.
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And so she decided to hitchhike through Europe, no problem there, a mile and a half in. I might
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just post on the screen what ended up happening to her.
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Yeah, just post on the screen. Let's not hear it. Keep my delicate ears safe from the start.
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I love you too. Thinking beautiful thoughts. Thinking beautiful thoughts.
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Beautiful thoughts. That could have happened to you.
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They really could have, though. So yeah, guys, hide your kids, hide your wife.
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Tell your kids this. And whenever anybody pulls this nonsense around you, shame them.
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And point out that they are contributing to more of the very behavior they claim to be