The Curse of Bisexuality: Worse Than Being Gay Across Stats ... But WHY???
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In this episode, Simone and I talk about bisexuality, mental health statistics, and why being gay might be bad for your mental health. We also talk about why we think being gay is better than being straight.
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hello simone today is going to be an interesting episode that is an episode that was spurned from
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something that happened as we recorded other episodes some of which haven't even gone live yet
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but basically we occasionally when there's sexual statistics we'll go through them and we'll be like
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oh what's going on here what's going on here right because people typically break things down by are
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you gay are you straight are you lesbian or are you bi or are you trans and then yeah and every
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time we've done this there's been this little phenomenon that i always throw out in the moment
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right it's always like well you have the straight people who are typically doing pretty well
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then you have the gay people that are typically doing middling then you have the trans people
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which are typically doing pretty bad yeah and then for whatever reason you have the bi people
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who are off the charts doing bad yeah which is weird because if i was thinking about it i would
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think that the the data would typically go straight bi gay trans yeah because especially
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like if you're bi it's almost like you get the best of all worlds like if you want to live your
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best gay life you get to do that if you want to live your straight life and conform with society you
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could do that like yeah the last thing i would have expected was straight gay trans bi yeah yeah like
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you think that that you you're all terrain you're all terrain sexual well like why is this an all
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terrain sexual yes oh so let's dig into this because one when i look into it you find it in any statistic
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you're looking at that's the thing it always shows up and we always have other things to talk about so
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we don't dive in but what what is going on all right so let's start with a graph here okay okay so
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this graph is mental health bisexual orientation okay okay so on the far left you've got hetero
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female okay they're doing pretty well they're in the positives here oh and then hetero male oh the
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only other group in the positives that's nice that's nice for them okay okay so who's got the
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next best mental health just a little bit down in mental health okay you're gay males honestly i'd
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expect them to do better so this is a little surprising but pretty close to fine okay then who's who's
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doing next best okay just a about twice as bad as gay males all right here you've got gay females
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okay yeah okay okay let's look at bisexual females because they're the next down oh boy they are doing
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about five times worse than gay males oh man significantly worse um okay so but then the farthest down
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is bisexual males oh that's which is just off the chart so weird because like we even talked about
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like even i was just listening to some as my goal today being like oh man when i was a teen i i wished
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i were gay because it would just be so much easier i know i actually before i went through puberty i had
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the thought of like it likes gonna be so much more fun if i'm gay no i think i think a lot of guys have
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that thought and here's the thing like i think in some ways it can suck to be gay because like let's
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say you're religious right and you want to have a family like you want to pursue the sacrament of
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having a family but like the idea of banging a woman is super repugnant right so that sucks because
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then it would be really hard to have a family either you have but if you're not or i wasn't born in a
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religious family you know i didn't have you know but even then like if you want to live a maximally
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hedonic life then it it helps to be attracted to men because women are a lot harder to access and
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gay communities are super fun but like not only that option it's like you'd be way better off
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either way you one know what your partner wants and can model that right yeah but then two you you
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can do things and pleasure max and wait there is nothing i can do with a straight man that's like
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fire island there's nowhere i can go where there's like a ton of women that want to sleep with me right
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like if i'm a hot guy there's literally nowhere on earth i can go that is even remotely like a gay
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cruise or fire island or something like the female equivalent well yeah where it's just like everyone
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there is a woman who wants to bang me right well i mean there is it's like epstein island except all
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the women are miserable and then they write tell all books and talk about how terrible it was and then
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you get prince andrewd and your life is awful so yeah no there really isn't like if only you know
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prince andrewd was gay this none of this would have happened you know sad i love you so
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much you are such a wacko but the point here being is this is confusing to me right because
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okay we can talk about where being gay might help you as hidden as a max thing which i think leads
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to more mental health problems so i think that could be one of the reasons why there's so much
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lower it works for some people but but simone what doesn't make sense to me here right like if i'm
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just looking at this at face value yeah okay gay men are much more mentally healthy than gay women
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okay but bisexual women are much more mentally healthy than bisexual males yeah what's up with
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that that is that is weird eric and presumably the bisexual like male no actually no no no no i i think
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i think maybe the issue though is that all women are kind of seen as bi by default anyway you know like
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there's this whole thing about oh you all go through your lesbian period in college right you
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think that you think that the bi females are being watered down yeah i think i think it's kind of
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tacitly understood that all women are bi anyway because like i said it's a trope to do your lesbian
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thing in college and to kiss a girl i kissed a girl and i liked it as a song and like all this stuff
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is just kind of i think while people still view female sexuality largely on a kinsey scale from like gay to
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straight it's really not people actually understand intuitively that women really don't care that much
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about gender they may not go the the step further required to understand that it really female
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sexuality more has to do with dominance and submission but they also understand that women just kind of
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don't care as much about the the gender of the person that they're they're getting intimate with
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so i think that the problem is that with men there there is typically a much stronger
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polarization of attraction to primary and secondary sexual characteristics so when men deviate from
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that and are able to bridge the divide they are seen as more weird unusual like it's one or the other
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you know you you got to be a magnet you know you're you're a plus or a minus yeah so it's a team
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but here's the thing that that makes sense and i have a hypothesis here that i didn't have when i was
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putting all these together but we're gonna get to more stats in just a second okay but like i keep
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thinking to myself why would bisexual men be like by far the worst off because presumably if they want
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a hedonism max they can do that right and if they want to live like a monogamous wife and have a family
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they can do that as well and isn't that great yeah wouldn't wouldn't most men want the option
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right here's could be the answer okay and it's it's the maximally offensive answer
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wait can you guess what it's gonna be no i really don't know because this doesn't make any sense to
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me i really don't know my mom used to always tell me what what do you think maybe she told me about
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bisexual men actually i don't know they don't exist she said bisexual men are predominantly just gay
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men who are covering for it and that would make sense if bisexual is a self-category for a self-hating
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gay then it would make sense that they have so much worse mental health problems because they're just
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not there yeah they're like yeah you're not in the closet you're not out of the closet you're
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constantly slamming yourself in the closet door yes and there was actually a study done on this at
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one point and it showed that of men who identify as bisexual i think it was like 75 or it might have
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been higher than that actually only get aroused by one gender or the other if you do like you can
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attach like electrodes to their junk and show them stuff and who consents to that how much do you have
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to be paid oh yeah so doing a little too much for memory here so let's see what the study actually said
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so the study i was thinking of was by michael bailey and it was published in 2005 and it was called
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sexual arousal patterns in bisexual men the way it worked is a mercury and rubber strain gauge a type
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of phlegmograph it's like those things that they attach their arms anyway was attached around the
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member to detect changes in circumference as an indicator of erection this is the electro to the
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junk thing that i mentioned here so the results bisexual men did not show a distinctly bisexual pattern
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i.e strong response to both male and female stimuli instead their genital responses were more
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monosexual mostly similar to gay men's patterns stronger arousal to male stimuli with some resembling
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straight male stronger to female stimuli the paper doesn't give an exact percentage breakdown but the
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ny times coverage on it which was referenced interpreted it at about three quarters 75 percent of
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the bisexual men having arousal patterns indistinguishable for gay men the remaining
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quarter similar to straight men in other words few if any showed substantial genital arousal to both
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genders equally strongly statistically there was no significant quadratic relationship indicating a
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unique bisexual gender pattern those i think it's 75 of those were just attracted to men and then
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like 25 were just attracted to women oh boy that's embarrassing anyway yeah what is this simone you
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goof you like looking at the kid funny looks he's just giving me funny looks yeah well you know it's your
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your biology there so let's look at other things here any mental illness in the past year okay so let's
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look at this okay okay okay so bisexual we've got 50 percent lesbian we've got 25 percent 25 percent of
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having mental problems or good mental health had a mental health illness so i find this interesting because
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it shows that gay and lesbian were a bit above heterosexual but around the right range whereas
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they were half of what bisexuals were if you look at serious mental illness so that was any mental illness
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serious mental illness bisexuals it was 19 percent gay or lesbian it was six percent heterosexual was four
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or five percent whoa um major depressive episode bisexuals 26 percent gay and lesbian 14 percent
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heterosexuals 10 percent unaliving attempts 26 to 36 percent by the gay higher one is lesbian 30
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so over here i've been reading whichever was higher gay or lesbian and it's been lesbian every time
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and then less than five percent for straight depression or anxiety risk bisexuals are again
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1.5 to 2x higher okay let's go next here's some interesting ones inter partner violence well that's
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got to be lesbians right very interesting here okay so female to male heterosexual inter partner violence
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so and and this is the level to which they're a victim of it okay so women are a victim for men 35
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of the time men are a victim for women 29 of the time and that's got to be that's got to be higher
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because i bet it's really underreported but sure yeah and i've heard ones of those that show that it's
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actually higher for women to men but you know we'll get because we see it on air like i'm sure macron
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wouldn't say that he's a victim of it but he exactly that's the point yeah
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okay male to male game remember women it was 35 men it was 29 it's 26 so below and there was a piece
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recently by emil kirkagard that argued that when you correct for the fact that gays pair up less as
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getting relationships less it's actually slightly higher like gays will be with another partner
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without defining themselves as in a partnership and so you really don't get the very best
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partnerships claiming they gave me it doesn't matter we're not gonna go into that the point being
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is that gays are probably at around the rate of heterosexuals or maybe a bit lower
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lesbian of course really high as you know 43.8 percent oh oh but here's where it gets interesting
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bisexual women 61.1 percent what higher than lesbians and and bisexual men are also one of
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the highest categories 37.3 percent but still less than lesbians wow now let's look at physical violence
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rates because this is where it gets really interesting okay women 29.8 percent in heterosexual
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relationships men 26.3 percent gays again lower 24 lesbians again higher 36.3 but what about
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bisexuals this is physical violence women 55.1 percent over half over half of women who are bisexuals
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have experienced physical violence from their partner and for males it's 27 okay let's go to the
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next category here severe physical violence what's this going to be women 23.6 women 13.9 gays in
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between this time 16.4 and lesbians again topping everyone at 29.4 except for and i couldn't find the
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numbers for bisexual men here but i found it for women okay women for severe physical violence if they're
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bisexual 49.3 percent almost half of bisexual women are severely physically abused wow man so like if
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you have a bisexual friend ask them if they're okay today grape threats i couldn't find it for male to
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male or female to female but i could find it for women how frequently they get this from their partners
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if they're in a heterosexual relationship it's 9.1 bisexual women is 22.1 percent twice the rate
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you see what i mean like these numbers are everywhere even where you wouldn't expect them
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okay let's look at this is from the longitudinal study of adolescent and adult health so we're looking
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at have they undergone physical violence forced intercourse or threatened violence okay okay so bisexual
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males physical violence 11.1 percent threatened 18.5 forced intercourse 17.1 so let's compare that to
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heterosexual males you get 4.9 way lower 10 10 percent that's for certain violence and then forced
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intercourse 4.9 so like dramatically like orders of magnitude lower if we go to bisexual women
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this is also gets pretty interesting so forced intercourse only 2.6 remember in bisexual males
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it was 17.1 yeah and a heterosexual woman is 1.4 only but something like way lower than the bisexual
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women i'll leave this on screen here basically you're seeing the same patterns here a the key insights
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from the study bisexual males were notably higher rates of forced blank perpetration compared to
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heterosexual males was odds adjusted five times higher after controlling for demographics and other
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factors bisexual females showed modestly higher rates of physical violence and threatened violence
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perpetrated than heterosexual females their differences were not always statistically significant
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okay so a 2022 systemic review of 78 studies on domestic abuse perpetration among sexual minorities
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including bisexuals found consistent evidence that bisexual individuals
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perpetrate ipv at a higher rate than gays and lesbian people of various forms so they aren't just
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subject to it at higher rates they also do it at higher rates if you have a bisexual partner you
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are much more likely to be abused by them than you are if you don't have a bisexual i can get like the
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like mental health rates and stuff but this this this violence and abuse i don't understand do you have
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any theories behind it well let's let's go to more let's go more statistics here because as the statistics
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maybe you'll be able to piece these together and begin to pick out what could be causing this okay okay
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yeah okay so let's look at dissolution rates for couples okay what's their probability of breaking
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up okay this is within five to ten years so lesbians it's 12 to 14 that's two to three x the gay rates
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and 1.5 to 2x the heterosexual rates gays it's two to 27 so very low over five to ten years right um
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heterosexual it is baseline eight to 22 but with bisexuals it's 1.5 times higher so you're looking
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at slightly higher than gays slightly less than lesbians if you let's look at poverty right oh
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this might surprise you yeah because i would expect poverty i'm gonna say poverty is gonna be
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lower among bisexuals because i would also expect bisexuality to correlate with growing up in a more
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wealthy environment okay so poverty for gay and lesbians it's 14 is a higher number and this is
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for lesbians okay for bisexuals it's 30 what why and it's at two for for buys it's at two to four x the
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hetero rate why that's so weird because i just like i i typically associate poverty with being in like
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more rural more conservative areas especially in the united states and you're just less likely to
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see people who are exposed to culture that presents being by as an option you know it's the same with
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snap assistance you're much more likely to be on snap assistance if you're buying what that's so weird
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okay you see i told you this this is getting weird right yes it is
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you don't think this rabbit hole would get this weird but it gets there's something going on with
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bi people yes all right so let's look at the brfs analysis okay so we've got a sexual orientation here
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yeah so this is substance abuse okay okay let's look at oh yeah substance abuse disorder or something
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yeah okay yeah yeah oh substance use disorder sud yeah that makes sense now okay okay so for women
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for straight women it's 13.8 for lesbians it's 26.5 for bisexual women it's 32.2 so they'll get men
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for straight men it's 20.7 for gay men at 32.2 for bisexual men it's 32.4 not chopping the part chart
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as much but still chopping the chart across the patterns holding yeah okay let's look at alcohol
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specifically okay okay is this gonna is this gonna buck our trend here heterosexual women 9.1
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lesbians 15.9 bisexual women 17.3 not bucking the trend okay let's go over to men here right
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heterosexual 13.5 gay men 18.9 so significantly higher in gay men note that bisexuals 15.7 the
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first one to buck the trend okay bisexuals don't drink as much well finally
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let's look at unaliving attempts okay okay so heterosexual males 0.4 percent gay males one percent
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yeah bisexual women 2.1 percent whoa the worst i would have expected because typically men are more
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likely to go for it you know uh that's interesting yeah okay so let's continue here homelessness and
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housing instability another chart here um lifetime rates for bisexuals it's lifetime instability 32
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current homelessness in use 36 it was in gays or lesbians it's 26 to 19 again so much higher for
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buys discrimination now this one was so interesting to me so interesting so what you might say in a
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hypothesis could be is buys are more discriminated against than gays or lesbians because they are
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discriminated against within the lgbt community as being infiltrators are not real or not you know
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yeah their identity is constantly invalidated um and this is true you do see i mean you had me
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saying maybe buys aren't real yeah totally totally yeah here we are perpetuating the issue explain it
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right if this follows the same trend we've been seeing okay all right okay so bisexuals let's let's
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see their their amount of discrimination all right so social acceptance of lgb right like do they feel
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that this is within their environments all right for lesbians it's 31 with gays it's 39 with bisexuals
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it's 20 what so slightly lower but not as lower as you would expect from these why is none of this
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going the way i would expect out to important people with lesbians it's 71 what what does basically
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it's like are you out about this to your family and friends oh okay okay okay lesbians at 71 gays at 77
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bisexuals it's only 28 that makes sense well maybe they don't have to be as out
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right you know like yeah you can have whatever you want to be because yeah but maybe that caught
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maybe it's like having to live the lie is the bigger thing here or something okay workplace
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harassment with with bisexuals it's around 66 and gays it was lower than that but i don't know the
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exact numbers that makes sense i actually am in in the middle i just started reading a book called
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whistleblower which is the the tell-all book because i want a silicon valley tell-all book
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you love them i'm crazy about them i loved bad blood i loved burned book by kara swisher i i really
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enjoyed careless people by sarah whatever her name is about facebook and now i'm on whistleblower and
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this is by a female employee at uber and guess what already like right at the beginning she just drops
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it she's bisexual totally not relevant as far as i'm concerned so far i don't know why she had to bring
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it up but yeah like she's bisexual and she's all of these whistleblower books are like ultra urban
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monoculture people trying to infiltrate organizations that aren't urban monoculture and it's their
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struggles to force the organization that's what the facebook one was yeah i don't know i i don't
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i don't think the person who like so far the person who wrote this uber book while bisexual is not coming
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across as super urban monocle i mean i guess she is because her entire while she came from a hyper
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religious family of five that grew up in a severe poverty her entire aspirational youth like young
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adulthood was oriented around entering the university system and navigating it so she basically got i guess
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urban monocultrified within that part of her life arguably but yeah i mean it is notable that she's
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a harassed whistleblower and also very superfluously or gratuitously bisexual like i don't know like
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most people don't like start out books of like you know i i don't i wouldn't start my biography being
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like you know i this is what it's not even about you being at a company right like you your day job
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yeah and you started with let me tell you what i do with my vagina well and also but like you you can be
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sexually harassed and be gay straight bi lesbian or asexual or trans like it doesn't really matter
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you know like it doesn't matter what your orientation is what matters is what other people did to you so
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yeah i i did find that notable it's interesting anyway carry on anyway so to continue here let's
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look at social isolation between these communities oh because you know we were talking about well maybe
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they're more discriminated against maybe they're more like less out there yeah and so with men for
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straight 10.2 percent gays 15.4 percent and then bisexual it's 18.7 so slightly higher but not enough
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to explain the other results with women for heterosexual it's 12.1 percent for lesbian it's 16.8 percent
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and for bisexual it's 19.5 percent i don't get it being bisexual is strictly a privilege again you're
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the altering or socially isolated if you're bisexual yeah you have like you you've double the options of
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everyone else i don't i'm so confused so confused double the options people i love the way you look at
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things you have double the options yeah i mean i i i should be the the the most right like if if i grew
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up as is asexual gay for malcolm like i don't know what what is it supposed to be like heteroromantic i
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can't remember what whatever but like you'd think asexuals are they're going to be the most miserable
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right because they have the fewest options or something by people this is so confusing no i want answers
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malcolm give me what answers well we're going to make it even more confusing here no what is wrong
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with just if so okay go on go on so again you look at some of this recent data and you might be moving
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towards the well maybe bisexuals just get it in their head that they're more discriminated right yeah and
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that leads to all of these downstream effects i mean so many of the mental issues that we've discussed
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throughout this podcast throughout our relationship throughout whatever yeah really does have to do
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with contextualization if you see yourself as a victim or if you even even with really harmless
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non-polarizing things like sleep poor sleep people who believe they've slept poorly experience more
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symptoms than people who think that they've slept well report having slept well but per a sleep lab
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analysis sleep poorly so believing you have a problem it can be way worse than actually having a problem
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even if it's you know something is on yeah mental health so we've got a hypothesis yeah okay now we've got a
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study here the national probability survey from 2019 of 100 sorry 1617 lgbt adults okay decent sample size
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okay great yeah okay so microaggressions and offensive comments all right gay men 57 experience it
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gay women 55 experience it bisexual men 50 experience it bisexual women 48 experience it
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but so if you're out 68 i can't even think of like a slur or insult or discrimination i've heard
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against by people well me saying that i don't think they're real is probably one of the most common
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be like oh you're just in the closet when are you going to come out of the closet that's a common one
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i don't know is that is that discrimination anyway okay well let's go to slurs okay what's a slur for
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a bisexual person which is the thing i don't know one this could be it this could be why they don't
00:27:37.280
get into insult as much but for gay men it's 62 percent lesbian women is 58 percent bisexual men is 55
00:27:42.640
bisexual women is 52 i know but i know words that are not nice for gays and lesbians and straight
00:27:50.480
people but what's a word that's not nice for people a butt trader let's see i'm gonna ask google because
00:27:57.040
i want to know what are slurs for bisexuals yeah okay me too hit and by slut what i've never heard that
00:28:06.560
before lesbian forum words unicorns that's considered a it's a compliment yeah by hat by hat oh like
00:28:21.200
by hat by slut switch hitter acdc straight gay confused sitter in a phase actually gay oh i like i like
00:28:32.960
actually gay actually gay actually gay yeah other other regional or informal informal slurs or phrases
00:28:41.600
sometimes language specific such as toothpick oh toothpick in portuguese meaning used by both sides
00:28:50.160
that's fun it in a phase in a phase he's in a phase no but i think that this shows that a lot of the gay
00:28:59.200
community doesn't believe that my people are by right by males by yeah okay okay so it's it's only
00:29:04.880
a slur insofar as someone is is questioning the that your commitment or like the legitimacy of your
00:29:14.320
but yeah okay wow but i just i don't know like comparing that to the slurs of other
00:29:19.840
affiliations all right fine guys you guys get really easily offended okay let's go to the
00:29:25.040
the keep in mind that these people are also very mentally frail so i guess let's go to sexual
00:29:30.320
harassment okay okay gay men 54 gay women 50 by men 48 so lower uh by women 50 so the same as lesbians
00:29:39.760
transgender 72 i really doubt transgender people are being more sexually harassed i think that they
00:29:45.520
just every time every time you're you're misgendered you're arguably being sexually harassed so
00:29:50.960
if you're not passing and so many people i feel i would feel sexually harassed if a trans person
00:29:58.320
took it upon themselves to feel sexually harassed by me for misgendering them well i also so here's
00:30:03.280
the thing like if you're trans too i feel like no matter how either insulting or accommodating someone's
00:30:09.760
trying to be you could arguably be sexually harassed keep in mind like let's say i'm trying to pass as a
00:30:15.680
woman and i'm a trans woman so let's say someone's trying to be really nice oh you look so sexy today
00:30:21.360
like oh your tits look great right because they're trying to like affirm your transition but then
00:30:27.040
they're sexually harassing you as a woman but if someone misgenders you like sir would you please
00:30:32.880
and then then they're harassing you because they're not affirming your gender so no matter what someone
00:30:38.080
always the victim yeah then then you're gonna be sexually harassed so i can understand the trans thing but
00:30:43.680
bi because also like the number of people who were out as bi is so low how can people even know to
00:30:52.400
insult you i don't know i don't know enough to to make you feel bad even if i wanted to i wouldn't know
00:31:02.480
i'm so stressed violence and threats we get 53 percent for gay men 49 for gay women 47 for bisexual
00:31:13.440
men 48 for bisexual women 75 for trans so again about the same across the board here okay yeah
00:31:20.000
harassment that's not 28 for gay men 30 for gay women really do that many gay women get bathroom
00:31:26.960
harassed that doesn't sound like something straight girls would do i think i think we're gay women
00:31:30.800
feel threatened and stuff is like men gooning you know like i want to watch you bathroom harassment
00:31:38.240
i don't know malcolm then bisexual men is only 25 bisexual women is 27 it's like way lower here
00:31:47.840
and then transgender all is 65 so i'm gonna stop right here for this one so that we have enough
00:31:52.560
time for dinner because i realized that this is going on a bit longer than i thought because there's
00:31:56.800
so many stats to go over because oh my god what's going on what is going on and you might want to do some
00:32:04.400
extra research yourself if you're coming up with any hypotheses on these in between the filmings yeah
00:32:08.160
i guess yeah so so this is end of part one of this episode at least for our recording we're going to try
00:32:13.840
to figure out some answers and we'll get back to you with a little spider no not spider-man batman
00:32:18.960
interstitial you did yeah did you did you watch the old the live action batman i've like seen clips of
00:32:26.400
it but you need to actually watch the real live action batman it is watching this i don't know
00:32:34.320
where i watched it actually because i watched it when i was a kid like on tv but the dude was a little
00:32:39.920
tubby like it was great because he wasn't actually very toned at all he's just tubby every guy beating
00:32:47.520
up criminals welcome to dunbar's batman and robin what will it be today i am a little hungry of course
00:32:54.640
robin even crime fighters must eat and especially you you're a growing boy and you need your nutrition
00:33:01.680
hamburgers medium rare may i recommend bat burgers bat burgers there's not even a lot of it's just bam
00:33:11.680
like it's more like the sound effects that that harm the the criminals and stuff but he's like tubby and
00:33:17.760
just wearing slightly stretchy i can only imagine like that slightly tubby he is a little tubby i've seen it
00:33:22.720
and he pulls like a thing off his belt and he throws it at the guy and i can just imagine in
00:33:28.720
real life it just like smacks the guy in the head and they're like ow it's so good it's so good and
00:33:35.600
also like the bat phone has this really distinctive sound that was used in a lot of electronics of the
00:33:40.080
period it sounded exactly like my mom's alarm clock so then after after that like every time my mom tried
00:33:49.840
to wake up i'm like it's the bat phone oh my god so there's just so many things about that show but
00:33:55.440
yeah you are a great wife a great mom i really appreciate it hey i really appreciate you i'm so
00:34:03.840
gay for you or i'm so bi for you i don't know what i am for you but i'm you're pushing the buttons i have
00:34:10.160
i don't know what they are store today looking for fish sauce and i couldn't find any so what store did
00:34:17.680
you go to oh you went to redner's yeah because i was picking up beer anyway so it's like i'll check
00:34:22.640
to see if they fish i need to get rice cakes we should we should have asked you but we can what
00:34:26.640
i might do is add a bit of chili oil when you're reheating it no you know i tried a little bit and
00:34:32.160
i thought any more fish sauce would have ruined it so i was glad i was short on it are you sure you
00:34:36.400
could really taste the fish sauce right yeah so when i saute it tonight for your rice i'm gonna put in
00:34:40.880
some chili oil i think that would be great it could use a little more kick but i would not put in more
00:34:45.760
fish sauce if i were you i think it's perfect on the soy sauce i think it's great on everything
00:34:50.000
else it just needs a little kick yeah maybe a bit more pepper is it feels very under spiced for a
00:34:57.280
dish that's supposed to be very spicy i well i think if i saute it in chili oil it'll do the trick
00:35:01.840
they'll do the trick okay and what else would i ask for no nothing else over rice people often
00:35:08.800
eat this with fried egg but that seems like a lot to make no i can do a fried egg for you on top
00:35:13.600
god why not dude nice and like you got the coop i'll give you an egg from stalin in honor of the
00:35:20.320
nick fuentes week we've had yeah okay i cannot believe tucker carlson did not push back when
00:35:26.480
he's like well it was a meaningful day for me because i love stalin so much yeah maybe he said
00:35:31.520
he was going to come back to that but he never did and i'm like come on like you don't you don't let
00:35:36.000
someone get by with like i think he also said he liked hitler and tucker carlson never like pulled on
00:35:40.400
that like i mean everyone acknowledges like the hitler stuff but like stalin i mean because
00:35:48.720
it here's the thing if you're this is what i'm saying tucker carlson's a cia asset i guess if you're
00:35:53.920
a holocaust denier and you don't actually think that like there was a holocaust then maybe hitler
00:35:58.720
wasn't that bad of a guy so like in that universe yeah i i was the one who explained this year i was
00:36:03.760
like yeah it's not so bad if you didn't actually do it if the cookies couldn't have been if that many
00:36:08.960
cookies couldn't have been baked right but but stalin he's not questioning what stalin did and
00:36:14.640
he just thinks he's great well no here's the thing i don't get it was a pedophile and kind of a pagan
00:36:21.600
it's like well he was also really cool so you know time to grow up we're not we're not children
00:36:29.360
anymore am i right am i right am i right boys am i right let's go so he thinks hitler is great like
00:36:37.680
there's this one where he goes you know hitler was sort of into like pagany stuff and hitler was
00:36:42.560
sort of into like i think gay stuff or something and then he's like but you know he was still really
00:36:48.480
cool and i'm like well here's the thing why do you think hitler was cool if you don't believe the
00:36:53.920
holocaust happens universe though it's like both the holocaust didn't happen and hitler was gay
00:36:59.520
right i i'm like why why do you think that hitler was cool if the apparent reason for you thinking he
00:37:06.960
was cool i think it's because you think that did happen just on a smaller scale like a couple hundred
00:37:10.720
thousand which for him is at a cool level of genocide yeah it was it's it's small batch processing it's a
00:37:18.000
microbrewery of genocide all right it's still hip you know it's it's the edison bulb artisan
00:37:25.200
you are so going to hell for this i i really am jokes that are inappropriate for our audience
00:37:32.480
you're artisanal genocide all right i gotta go get the kids and change a really creepy type
00:37:39.120
i love you so much i'm welcome i might have i might have enjoyed digging into saran mandani more
00:37:44.000
than nick fuentes to be honest yeah that was fascinating because you really want to know
00:37:48.400
more about those bisexuals and what the heck is going on here yeah and i've i've been thinking
00:37:54.000
about it and i'm no closer to an answer i i really there because there are some conflicting things in
00:37:59.520
here that don't make sense to me so i want to hear some more evidence i want to maybe with more
00:38:05.200
information i'll come to more of a conclusion maybe with more points for triangulation yes we'll find
00:38:11.680
out what is wrong with the bisexuals we must triangulate the the problem but it is it is
00:38:18.400
it is fascinating so okay so i decided to be like okay like let's look at other things like you know
00:38:24.960
conscientiousness and stuff like that i was like maybe what it is is this is going to correlate with
00:38:30.000
some personality trait and everything's going to make sense right yeah so i decided to go to
00:38:36.320
conscientiousness as a personality trait right so if you look at men heterosexuals they're at 33 to 35 on
00:38:44.960
this if you look at men gay they're at 31 to 33 on this so about the same and if you look at bisexuals
00:38:51.600
they're at 30 to 32 on this so they're a little lower so so basically gay men are a little less
00:38:57.440
conscientious than straight men and bisexual men are a little less conscientious than gay men
00:39:01.600
you'd be more conscientious i mean think about how much effort they have to put in just to looking
00:39:07.440
good to other men i know right it is interesting right yeah okay so with women we get for straight
00:39:13.600
women at 34 to 36 for gay women 34 to 36 so exactly the same consciousness levels for bisexual women it's
00:39:21.840
lower 32 to 34. so it is still following this pattern of bisexuals being the outlier but not in like
00:39:30.720
as big a way as you would think right right yeah and also like what if that's just downstream or
00:39:38.720
highly correlated with mental health problems which we've also already right so then there's you know
00:39:45.280
me coming in here and you know my answer is always going to be it must be that they're more urban
00:39:49.760
monoculture infected than other populations because bisexual is an identity that fundamentally you can choose
00:39:57.280
yeah well gay and maybe lesbian are less choices of identity sometimes because if you are like
00:40:04.240
genuinely attracted to both genders you can just choose to ignore one right like so i thought well
00:40:10.320
then maybe that means that these people are more urban monoculture cooked than other populations right
00:40:17.280
that would make sense but but then actually but here's the problem okay um so
00:40:22.160
what would you be a good proxy for that right a good proxy how they vote oh okay so let's hear look
00:40:32.400
at voting patterns right so what percent lean left versus what percent lean right okay straight men 40
00:40:41.120
40 to 45 left leaning 50 to 55 right leaning okay gay men and this must have been for a while ago
00:40:48.080
because i know it's moved pretty big since then but back then and this is around when all of these
00:40:53.040
other data points were collected it was around 70 to 80 percent democrat 15 to 20 republican but if you
00:40:59.280
look at by men they're more republican 60 to 70 percent liberal democrat leaning 25 to 30 percent republican
00:41:07.600
leaning so they seem to be less captured by the urban monoculture than the gay male population
00:41:13.040
let's look at women here with women it's 50 to 55 percent democrat liberal leaning to 40 to 45 percent
00:41:20.720
right leaning this is of straight women but then when we go to gay women it's 80 to 85 percent
00:41:25.760
democrat 10 to 15 percent republican you go to buy women it's 65 to 75 percent democrat 20 to 25
00:41:33.760
republican so they're more republican by women and men by dramatic margin rising okay
00:41:43.520
let's go to mental health issues but break it down by type of mental health issue maybe this will have
00:41:49.040
the answer for us right so let's look at just women here to start lifetime mood disorders so for straight
00:41:57.120
women that's 30.5 percent for lesbians that's 44.4 percent so more in lesbians but then in bi women
00:42:04.080
it's 58.7 lifetime anxiety disorders straight 31 percent gay 40 percent by 57 so again we're seeing
00:42:15.440
the same pattern buys off the charts on everything here depression for buys for lesbian and straight
00:42:21.040
women it's about the same for buys is about 2x the rate unaliving chances three to five percent for
00:42:26.800
straight women 25 for gay women 40 for bi women
00:42:33.600
bi women are just off the charts okay substance use 8.5 for straight women 20 for gay women 25 for
00:42:41.280
bi women psychological distress they found it in it i think it was 72 percent higher it's difficult to
00:42:47.760
tell what study this is from in bi women than straight and gay women and if we're looking at males here
00:42:53.280
here here is where we see a bit different of a pattern than we've seen before okay so yeah
00:42:58.800
mood disorders you see 19.8 in straight men 42.3 percent in gay men so way higher than in gay women
00:43:05.520
mind you and 36.9 percent in bi men lifetime anxiety disorders 18 in straight men 41 in gay men 38.7
00:43:15.920
and by men so again down in by men and then the substance well that's yeah these studies seem to
00:43:22.720
be less distinct okay so that's where we are that's all the data can you can you piece anything from that
00:43:30.160
i feel like i'm just more confused than i was before and i i do realize that the first one i was
00:43:35.120
looking at here this was neuroticism so what it is is for heterosexual men 15 to 20 on whatever scale
00:43:43.520
they're using for gays 25 to 35 for buys it's 30 to 44 so slightly higher neuroticism yeah for women
00:43:50.480
it was 18 to 22 there was no significant difference in gay women uh but it was higher slightly for oh
00:43:57.280
no actually that could be pretty big uh 20 to 40 for bi women so it could be higher neuroticism levels
00:44:06.080
maybe i mean there there's so many ways in which they're outliers so i don't i i can't chalk it up
00:44:13.440
to neuroticism i mean all these things correlate too like you would expect these things to correlate
00:44:18.240
so i don't find i don't find it surprising that if they have higher levels of depression that you're
00:44:23.680
going to see higher levels of neuroticism or higher levels of perceived discrimination for
00:44:28.960
example summon ayla to the podcast to answer this question is she going to have an answer of
00:44:34.240
what's wrong with bi women bi men too yeah what's going on yeah maybe maybe i can ask ai to summarize
00:44:45.280
what ayla has said on what makes bi people different yeah because this is i i don't i don't know if she's
00:44:52.640
answered this particular question yet but it is a pernicious question like the for the mystery
00:44:57.440
fertility strip we did an episode on if you haven't seen that episode you should watch it if you like this
00:45:01.200
one it was pretty weird there's like a strip down the center of america that has like stupidly high
00:45:05.200
fertility rates and there's not an obvious reason why yeah overlapping maps with it to try to figure
00:45:11.600
out what map best overlaps to this weird strip in the middle of the united states so according to her
00:45:17.280
writing that is ayla's writing bisexual individuals especially women exhibit distinct patterns of
00:45:22.960
attraction compared to both straight and exclusively gay individuals she notes that women display a more
00:45:29.680
polarized arousal spectrum with bisexual women often demonstrating upticks at both the lesbian and
00:45:35.920
straight ads suggesting more flexibility or more switchiness in sexual orientation compared to men
00:45:41.520
ayla also highlights attitudes toward bdsm are defining characteristic noting that people with
00:45:47.280
preferences for bdsm sometimes termed bdsm bisexuality or bdsm actuality form a very distinct
00:45:55.920
cluster not always related to trauma but instead corresponding with how arousal intimacy and
00:46:02.480
relationship preferences manifest she suggests that some bisexual or queer individuals
00:46:08.560
report a transformation in their sex drive and enjoyment when engaging in kink relationships which
00:46:13.600
may not happen with more vanilla sex for these people okay i didn't fully grok what she was saying
00:46:19.280
when simone said this live but it makes sense to me now in editing and it's actually a very insightful
00:46:23.920
point that only ayla would have because she has all the data basically she's saying that bisexuality
00:46:29.360
has a really high overlap with having an extreme amount of severe kinks that you want to engage in
00:46:36.080
in real life with other people and that this may lead to well and then obviously i'm saying here ayla
00:46:41.760
isn't saying this here that this may lead to the negative effects of bisexuality on individuals
00:46:46.400
sexual satisfaction appears strongly connected to the mode of sexual expression
00:46:51.200
rather than only the gender of the partner but see that's more just female sexual arousal yeah
00:46:56.480
this doesn't explain why bisexuals are off the charts and everything here
00:47:00.960
yeah in in community commentary on her data contributors proposed that birth order and
00:47:06.640
family dynamics may influence homosexuality or homosexual and bisexual development with
00:47:12.000
submissions indicating environmental and genetic factors again that that has nothing to do with this
00:47:17.280
so no ayla doesn't at least according to ai the reason i wanted to call aila in on it is i think
00:47:22.640
she'd find the problem interesting yeah a problem that no one has really tackled like no one has called
00:47:28.480
out some because everybody always is using this data to talk about something else and so the weird bisexual
00:47:34.720
outlier always gets blown off yeah but i think when you really pull it all together you're like there's
00:47:40.080
something going on with bisexuals there needs to be like an ayla bat phone just like the red phone
00:47:45.600
an ayla bat phone what's going on with the bisexual ringtone of the ayla bat phone we have to figure that
00:47:51.440
one out but it's it's a fascinating statistical phenomenon yes that my go-to answer it's because
00:47:58.960
they're more politically cooked just doesn't seem to fit the data no so i don't know and also it doesn't
00:48:05.520
you would think theoretically that it would just be a strict benefit perhaps i mean one theory that i i
00:48:12.800
can posit at least in today's day and age because most of these statistics are from fairly recent
00:48:19.360
polling is that we live in an era of choose a camp like you need to be in a category and bisexuality
00:48:28.160
just really hasn't established a very strong identity as a unique identity in the oppression
00:48:36.320
olympics in any sort of realm and maybe that's because among different sexual orientations it
00:48:42.960
actually comes from from a position of technical privilege even if it is not discussed as such
00:48:49.200
because you actually have more optionality than any group even sis i i just had an idea and i'm going
00:48:55.920
to check it i want to see bisexuals are maybe having a are much more promiscuous could be because
00:49:01.680
this could explain it but but but in general because bisexual people both are actually kind of
00:49:08.320
privileged technically and because they don't really oh we might have found it here wait okay so they're
00:49:14.720
more okay so bisexual men those who have sex with those women have more sexual partners per year than
00:49:22.160
either gay or straight men suggesting about 2.5 to 3.1 more partners annually whoa compared to gay
00:49:30.400
men which is 2.6 partners in terms of sexual activities like cyber sex sexting threesomes
00:49:36.160
both bisexual and gay men report higher engagement in those behaviors and straight men bisexuals versus
00:49:41.040
straight lesbian women bisexual women show broader engagement in varied sexual behaviors uh fellow
00:49:46.000
masturbation cyber sex sexting threesomes compared to heterosexual women and often at similar rates
00:49:52.560
to lesbian women bisexual women however report a slightly lower rate of orgasms compared to both
00:49:58.160
straight and lesbian women 58 for bisexuals 61.6 for straights and 74.4 for lesbians in one study
00:50:06.400
isn't that fascinating that they're getting off less than either straight women or lesbians so it's not a
00:50:11.600
hurting her it's the men problem it's a it's a them problem lesbian women typically report the
00:50:17.040
most sexual satisfaction however yeah when they do have the highest rates of orgasm the frequency of
00:50:22.560
partnered sex can be lower for lesbian couples and for straight couples okay blah blah blah blah blah
00:50:26.800
in the first two years of a relationship 67 of gay male male couples have sex three times a week
00:50:32.960
45 of straight couples do and 33 of lesbian couples do that is fascinating it could be it could be a frequency of
00:50:39.840
sex issue that having more sex leads to all these bad things yeah yeah i could see that
00:50:47.440
especially if this was multiple partners because your body could release like hyper stress responses
00:50:52.800
if you're a woman and you're doing this and if you're a man and you're doing it especially you're
00:50:57.600
doing it in a submissive position which i think is probably more likely for a lot of bisexual men that
00:51:01.520
could also cause weird stress responses well but also to your point like in any culture that maximizes
00:51:07.280
hedonism you're it's almost a guarantee of misery when when you try to pursue that so perhaps
00:51:15.840
this is also correlated or downstream of of hedonism maxing and that ultimately moving people more
00:51:23.360
quickly toward the realization that they're never going to get the pleasure they seek even though
00:51:26.960
they're seeking it more desperately than others which means the sex doesn't actually give you like
00:51:31.680
any sort of meaningful lasting pleasure correct that's interesting i don't know if i buy that
00:51:39.680
maybe that's just because i'm reading whistleblower right now and the author is by and she's a
00:51:43.120
completely miserable person but she didn't seem to necessarily spend most of of her life she fits the
00:51:50.960
she comes off you were just she's miserable but she's not more promiscuous you had a b session about
00:51:55.600
her for like 20 minutes this morning my wife doesn't go to an office to complain to me about
00:52:00.240
other women she reads whistleblower books by progressives about their silicon valley jobs
00:52:05.200
and then every morning ideal was a session of her being like oh can you believe she did this this and
00:52:11.920
this oh i'm so glad i'm not her oh she complained about her boss being patron the patriarchy i i i love
00:52:20.560
this i love this this is this is me sending you to work so i can have you do i
00:52:28.320
do i do that about anyone i guess ellie icer is the only person who's like oh yeah annoying you do
00:52:35.760
that you absolutely do that but yeah i mean she isn't necessarily more promiscuous so i'm not 100
00:52:42.080
sure i'm by that but i could i could see that and i find that very but then but then again like
00:52:48.320
you would assume also that increased sluttiness with court would correlate with more political
00:52:54.160
progressiveness and it doesn't um i mean it doesn't have to i mean there's lots of perfectly
00:53:01.680
slutty conservatives by communities i don't know you know whatever but like this is for our one thing
00:53:06.960
that i am thinking about though is remember in the times when we've participated in group events like
00:53:12.400
at vibe camp and at less wrong it when a list did the lineups by body count where she had every
00:53:22.800
member of the audience line themselves up by the number of sexual partners they'd had in their
00:53:26.960
lifetime so you go from people who are virgins like at one end of the line and to people who have
00:53:32.400
the highest body count at the other end invariably you are always at the end of the line i mean not the
00:53:37.440
the final end end but at the end you are the only cis straight dude it was all dudes at the end it was
00:53:44.160
all dudes at the end but most but they were all by why they were no they weren't they weren't gay they
00:53:49.120
were bikes i talked with them because i'm like why okay so yeah so all these guys who are okay so
00:53:54.880
this requires a bit more explanation so ayla at her events and we've gone to a number of her events she
00:53:59.440
has this shtick she does which i love it it's fun or she lines everybody up by body count
00:54:04.400
and simone's always at one end because she's only slept with me and i'm always at the other end
00:54:08.960
because we haven't mentioned this on the show but recently like we did a lot in the early show and
00:54:12.800
people used to comment like malcolm bringing it up again but when i was like a teenager not a teenager
00:54:18.560
i'm talking like college high school you were a slut you were a slut there's no other way to put it
00:54:23.680
i was like in the the triple digits like well into the triple digits and what i realized is that my level
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of sluttiness is almost unheard of in straight males potentially because it's just so hard to
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achieve yeah i will say that many women to sleep with you it's not worth it it's not fun you find
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nothing at the other end of it you know and it's risky i mean every time you sleep especially today
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getting somebody pregnant or something which you know
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yeah very dangerous however yeah i i i would win when going to these events of course i want to like
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understand what's going on with people who are at these outlier ends and it's easy enough to know
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what's going on with incels but it is something that you wonder about with the people at the very
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high body count end and yeah they were i remember them like distinctly because at first i was like well
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they must be gay dudes no they were bi because i remember that really standing out to me when i
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when i talked with them and and so that like very much part of like sort of the group sex world of
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the bay area if you know what i mean like orgies a good example of this is like destiny
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destiny seems like he probably sleeps around in time maybe but also like think about this if
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you regularly go to orgies i think it's really easy to get a high body count especially if you are
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bi oh true yeah that's gonna mess with your brain as well you know you know no guy wants to see
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another girl guy having sex with a girl apparently no not can do you know how big cock porn is it's
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huge oh yeah you're right we should do an episode on that by the way yeah we probably should it's just
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i don't know it's so dark i don't know it strikes me as very dark i don't know if i want to know more
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about it but we probably should top search term in japan or something not no dude no like
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like globally i think it's it's astoundingly popular which really confuses me because it's like
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the nightmare scenario genetically speaking for men like that's why i don't explain this to you
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that you've got to keep in mind that cock porn is not just for men who get off oh right it can be for
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men who get off on the idea of being the what do they call them the bull the bull yes i was gonna say
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stud yeah yeah yeah but anyway yeah so that that i guess the the sluttiness hypothesis of bisexuals
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is is gonna be our running theory for now please chime into the comments with your theories you too
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have listened in to this this this deluge of stats maybe you have a better synthesis than we do yeah i i
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feel like people and if you come up with a good enough theory we'll do an episode on it
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oh yeah i like that i'm yeah because i still i don't feel completely satisfied with this but the
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aila lineup experience does reinforce it so anecdotally i feel like there's some confirmation there
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all right thanks malcolm this has been elucidating i love you love you too and when i will point out
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that back when i slept around a lot remember i was in a much worse mental state like i i ground my
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teeth i had to wear like a night guard every night that's true yeah i was in a lot more daily stress
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and then when you when you went monogamous you were actually able to get rid of the night guard
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without completely ruining your teeth yeah no i haven't worn a night guard in years and i would break my
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teeth if i didn't wear it even one night back then yeah i remember i remember the night guard you had
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to bring it with you and you slept over at my my little apartment my little so i could be evidence here
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oh okay well good i'm i feel more sad i was really worried we're going to come out of
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this episode unsatisfied thank you for that all right love you bye love you too all right i i think i said