The Dataļ¼ Phones & Screens Improve Kids' Mental Health
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A new study shows that kids with smartphones are less depressed, anxious, and bullied than peers without them. Simone talks about her experience growing up in the 90s and early 2000s when she didn t have access to a phone.
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Hello, everyone. This is Simone Collins with Malcolm Collins. I'm taking over the stream
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today because I have found that actually you are a bad parent if you deny your child a phone
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in screens and that the good parents will do it because guess what? Kids are better off
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when they have social media access, when they have phones and tablets and video games and
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define better off. We're talking about studies here. They have less nihilism and better
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self-esteem. They spend more time with their friends. They spend more time playing sports.
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They are just freaking better off with the screens. And all these people, Jonathan Haidt,
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who insist that the screens are the end are wrong. Although we will go through their arguments and
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talk through some of the nuance. But first I want to get to this study because I'm so excited about
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it. It's very vindicating because we are famous for being profiled by the Guardian and criticized
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by everyone on social media, not only for beating our children, but for having them walking around
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the house with iPads chained to their necks. I need to clarify, barely beating our children.
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It was, it was a light slap. That was a mild beating. Oh my God.
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Sock a bopper. Sock a bopper. You can sock all day and bop all night. So first, like huge, huge thanks to
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Reason Magazine, which covered this article really well. And what they're covering is a new, as of
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April, 2025 study called, Kids with smartphones are less depressed, anxious, and bullied than peers
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without them. So first, huge hat tip to Reason Magazine for covering this research, which was done
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by a bunch of researchers at the University of South Florida. This was published in April. So this just
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came out and these researchers investigated smartphone ownership among 11 to 13 year olds.
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So these are extremely vulnerable children who are not at all grown up and mature enough to handle
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social media. And they're checking out how they did. So, okay. They did survey them, but they surveyed
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a good sample size. They surveyed 1,510 kids from Florida, age 11 to 13. And basically on almost every
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metric, measuring well-being, smartphone-owning kids showed better results. So here are some
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examples. You're not surprised at all. 11 to 13. So this isn't like older kids. This isn't like
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teens. No. This is 11 to 13. This is just as puberty is setting in. So I would actually argue that
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these are some of the most vulnerable years. I don't know how this period was for you, but it was tough
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for me. Maybe not for you. I don't know. Well, I can't imagine if I didn't have a smartphone.
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I mean, I didn't have a smartphone. You didn't have a smartphone. I didn't have whatever was cool.
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I didn't have a smartphone and it was tough. Okay. Not having like AIM during that period,
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being one of the outcasts. Oh my gosh. Actually, AIM really was like one of my few sources of comfort.
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And I think this is part of it and we're going to get into it. So kids with smartphones.
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Do you remember all those sounds from AIM that like, ding. And the door opening.
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Like a friend would come in and you'd be like. Yeah, that dopamine rush when you hear the door
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opening and maybe that person you have a crush on has just logged on. Oh my God. Did you have
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crushes on people back then? 100%. His username was Warped Stygian and he ended up dating one of my
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best friends at the time. So that was a little awkward. Oh! Yeah. Did you think he'd like talk
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to you? Did he ever talk to you on AIM? Oh, like way late into the night. He was clearly like,
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it was emotional cheating going on at the very least if they two were dating at that same time.
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Those were like my first, my first late night chats, which I think for like any, any young person,
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even today that, you know, the, the, the, the venue has changed, but the, the thrill of the
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conversation has not. Well, okay. So hold on. What did he end up doing with his life?
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Yeah. I have no idea. A little check before the end of this. I don't even remember what his name
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was. He didn't have a very easy life. Like he lived at the poverty line, had a single mother.
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So, you know, I hope he's doing well. I wish him well as, as I wish well, the never, never wish
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somebody who didn't date you. Well, Simone, you need to wish the fury upon them.
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Well, I wish both of them. Well, I can look up my, my friend. I think she had a kid actually
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pretty young. So good for her. Right. Like, right. Yeah. Yeah. Doing the pernatal thing. Right.
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Yeah. Right. And again, those just show like income does not correlate with one in the AIM
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world who, who lived at that. They know that door opening. It is always like, is it my crush?
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Like, are we going to talk? Are we going to, are we going to, it's like, ding. And it's like,
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oh my God, it's my crush. Yeah. Oh my God. Like, what are we doing? So exciting. Oh yeah. That,
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that killed me. I'm so glad we both had AIM days. And again, like for us, even at that age,
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and I would say chat rooms at our age were way more dangerous. So we, gosh, it was in the early
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naughties, like around 2001, I guess, when we're doing this chat rooms at the time, when, when we
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were first going online, one of the first things that people would ask you and an anonymous chat
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room, which is pretty much what all of them were at the time online was ASL. Do you remember that?
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ASL. Age, sex location. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, wait, what? That sounds like a great thing.
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Like age, sex location. I'm going to find you. Well, you know, actually it's a way, way back in
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the day, way before the internet, there were some, some comic books that kids would get subscriptions
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to. And at the end of them, many of them would, would be little published profiles of kids with
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their name and address and picture. So I don't know, man. Like, come on, hang out with me, bro.
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Predators had it so easy back then. I don't know. I'm not talking about predators now.
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You can't misadvertise themselves in comic books.
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Okay. Let's see if, let's see if she can occupy herself.
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But anyway, let's get back to this study conducted by these wonderful, brave researchers
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at the university of South Florida. Again, this is Florida teens, 11 to 13 and Florida
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teens. So these aren't like mentally stable teens. Let's mind you.
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I do want to kind of caveat this of like, okay, but this is Florida. Like for real,
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what else are you going to do? You can't go outside. It's too hot. So I don't know.
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Like, and they do the next step. I should say that these researchers want to take is they
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want to take this study nationwide. And I am very keen to see their follow-on research
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because Florida is a very strange place. Everyone's heard of Florida, man, right? Like it is not
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a normal place for healthy people in our argument. We lived there, we lived there and we got out.
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But anyway, the, so the, the, the research found the survey found that kids with smartphones,
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tablets, social media usage, and video game play, we're all more likely to spend more in-person time
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with friends. So kids with smartphones, for example, spend an average of three days a week
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playing with friends. Whereas the kids without them spend an average of two days a week with
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friends. What? How is this possible? Oh, you cut the kid's tongue off. They have less friends.
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I know. How are they going to coordinate if they're not on their freaking smartphone?
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How are they going to know where the kids are hanging out if they're not on? I know. I'm just
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saying. I am shaming parents. I am shaming parents who don't give your kids social media.
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For real. Yeah. Also, so 80% of smartphone owners plus 82% of tablet owners reported feeling good
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about themselves. Okay. This is in light of the whole Facebook leak and Instagram's making girls
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feel terrible. No, I'm sorry. Between 80 and 82% of basically screen owners report feeling good
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about themselves versus 69% without smartphones and 71% without tablets. These are significant
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differences. People without the screens feel worse about themselves. I can't even believe it. This
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is wild. It's so validating. This is like the parents who deny their kids alcohol. Yeah. So let's
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also get to denialism. All right. So 26% of smartphone free kids. So these are the lower screen kids
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agreed with the statement. Life often feels meaningless. So more than a quarter. Okay.
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Are like falling in nihilism versus 18% of smartphone users. So more like one out of five.
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All right. Like so much less. I know. And it's honestly like some of the surprises me. I'm like,
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I don't know. Like there is a lot of nihilism on the internet right now. And no, no, no. I don't
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think that's what it is. I think people are misunderstanding broader culture for internet. As I've said,
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often, often, often within my friend circles, the ones who were most online and online first have had
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the most persistent resistance to the mental health crisis caused by the internet. Yeah. Well,
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the internet is a place where you allow your joie de vivre to flourish. It is where your
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enthusiasm is flourished. Like we see how our kids use social media now and they use it to explore
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things that they love and then deepen their own enjoyment of those things. IRL. For example,
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Octavian got really in to toy soldier videos on YouTube. And like, literally there's this one dad
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who just puts a GoPro on his head and then plays with toy soldiers and his kids. And it's sweet.
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You do still play with him. But then like, now he like has all these new scenarios of gameplay.
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And he's like, I want to do this with my toy soldiers and that with my toy soldiers. And it's
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the same with X-Shot Guns. It's the same with Minecraft. And it's where they like, this, this is
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where you get that spark and it's where you deepen it. And it's, it's, I think, you know, when you play
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in isolation without that additional inspiration, yeah, I think you're going to get more of that,
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you know, sadness. Okay. So also here's a really big one, right? Cause everyone talks about cyber
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bullying, right? Oh, everyone's so stressed out with cyber bullying. I would cyber bully the person
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who's not online. I'm going to tell you that the person.
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Well, no, and that's, that's the thing though. Okay. So 32% of smartphone free kids. So like almost
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a third reported that someone had spread rumors or lies about them online compared to 18% of those
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with phones. So you're totally right. When you're not there to clap back, when you're not there to defend
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yourself, you get bullied and you still are being cyber bullied. It's not like they're not aware of
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that. And of course, actually they're probably maybe more of them are bullied. No, these kids,
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because here's the thing, there's a little pussy kids. And I remember these kids when I was growing
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up, they're the kids whose parents are like, oh, you can't engage with modern media. Oh, you can't
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watch, you know, Disney. Oh, you can't watch whatever. Like you can't read Harry Potter. Like, of course
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these kids are getting bullied. Like what are you even thinking? And it's okay. Like it's okay for your
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kids to be bullied. You want to put them in an environment where they can be bullied and they
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can get stronger for it, but you want them to have a way to offend themselves. Like you don't want
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them to be bullied because you've clipped their wings. Yeah. No. And there's also this whole genre,
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actually. It's a small one, but on social media where parents are like really proud of how they've
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taught their kids to bully back, which is great. And then they like, like try to like sit around and
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wait for their kids to get insulted, to see what they say. Like one guy recorded his, his kid,
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like at a little baseball diamond and some other kid was like, your dick is the size of a tic-tac.
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And the kid's like, yeah, that's why your mom's breath smells so good. Like you don't admit that.
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If you don't sharpen your child, you got to prepare them. That is a good one, by the way. I love that
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the kid came up with that. Oh, my kid came up with that off the spot. I'd be so proud. I'd share that
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online. But you don't, you don't develop that. If you do not play in rough and tumble environments
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online, you can't sharpen yourself. You, where do you get those ideas? If you're just sitting there
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thinking and that, you know, there's been a lot of research done. You actually opened my eyes to this
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on what did people do before they were smartphones? Cause everyone's like, oh, so disgusting. People
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can't just wait in line at the store without staring at their phones. People can't just sit and wait for
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a plane without staring at their phones. People are so baller for raw dogging a flight. Okay. What are
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they doing? They're just sitting there. All right. Maybe they're imagining something like they're not
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learning anything new. They're not getting exposed to ideas. Actually, you're wrong about this. There's
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some great old pictures of this, of what were people doing before smartphones. Okay. Everyone
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is looking at a newspaper or book. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah. When you could, and when you didn't have
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one. Yeah. Oh yeah. Just staring into space. That's certainly better for you. Yeah. Like, oh,
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let's have our kids do that. Because I mean, most like, and people are, oh, like these kids,
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little toddlers who are given iPads. Well, they can't read. You can be like, read a book. No. Okay.
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And we'll, we'll get to that more too, because this sort of comes into the criticisms of social
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media. But I also want to point out that heavy social media users in this Florida kid survey
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were more likely than lighter social media users to report exercising or playing sports at least
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once a day. So 50% of the heavy social media users. Well, of course they got to look buff.
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Actually. Yeah. Versus 31%. So the lighter social media users.
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I, um, I remember, I have a vivid memory as a, as a young boy, um, like exercising a lot in a gym
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and then like checking my biceps in the mirror to like make sure I looked good. And like, the thing
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is, is they never really changed that much. Like, no wonder how much effort I put in. Nothing ever,
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like that you'd get a bit more tone. Careful, Malcolm. All those lift bro people are going to come
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match. Oh yeah. But like, and look, I've got members of my family who are fairly buff. Like,
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I know if I actually put in the effort, but like, I feel like I put in enough effort a second. I put
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in like 30, 45 minutes a day. Like that's a lot. Well, I think it's also underrated how much
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practical, or I guess you could say applied weightlifting we do because we are constantly
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hauling around our children. What I mean by this is, is like, even if I put in a lot,
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I remember how scrawny I still looked in the mirror, right? Like it wasn't like, oh, okay. I
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look, I remember being happy for the slightest bit of definition. Here's the thing. So just like
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women seem to think these days based on what they see on social media are just trends that like
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contouring is necessary. And a lot of women claim that it's for male audiences. No, that kind of
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makeup. No, no, no, no, absolutely. And I, and I also put weightlifting, men think somehow like,
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and again, this is, I think that, you know, they, they just make these assumptions when they're
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trying to just sew it, that weightlifting makes them sexier to women. No, this is a man to man
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signaling thing, just like makeup in it beyond the very basics is a woman to woman signaling thing,
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period. And, and, and, and the point I'm making here is that when I did all of this,
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no girl had even kissed me. No girl had shown any interest in me. No girl, this is not.
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Yeah, this was before. Yeah. Right. Your, your breakthrough was when you discovered that leaning
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into your nerd persona. Okay. No, I was like, oh, the nerd persona is what they like. That's it.
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That's it. Anyway, anyway, let's get it. So I will say, you know, cause obviously some of this stuff
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is just, it seems impossibly good. I feel like Florida has some, something to do with it. Maybe we
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might have more moderated results when they go nationwide. We'll see, but there were some
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negative things. And I think the negative things are super straightforward and kind of no duh. So
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the one, the one thing they found was obviously if kids slept with their phones, they got less sleep.
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Like, thank you, captain obvious. That makes perfect sense. Yeah. You probably shouldn't sleep
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with your phone. Like adults shouldn't sleep. No one should sleep with their phones. They also found
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that you can look, the problem with sleeping with your phone is you don't want to risk it getting
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pregnant. That was a, that was a dad joke. That was a dad joke. They also found that heavy gamers
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and social media users reported more sleep problems. So, so children who often post to social
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media platforms were found in this research to be twice as likely as those who never or rarely post
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to report moderate or severe symptoms of depression, 54 versus 25%, moderate or severe symptoms of anxiety,
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50 to 24% were having sleep issues. But they also point out that this is a correlatory and not
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causational thing. Of course, we're just looking at correlations. And I think that people who have
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other problems in life will do things excessively, like typically excessive anything. If it's not like
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a sign of, of just an addictive personality is often a sign of, you know, trying to bury your,
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your depression and anxiety that were already there because your life sucks. And you and I were just
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talking today about how the school system, the legacy and industrial school system are just
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so bad that even you, the renegade and I, the perfect girl who followed all the rules
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were both completely miserable at school. And it was the depression that we felt, which was in,
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in, I think both of our cases, clinical, right? I think you, you were diagnosed as depression.
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Well, but anyway, it was measured as clinical depression was entirely situational. Mine at
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least went away as soon as I got out of school. So yeah, no, I, yeah, I, I, all of you, this is
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the thing. I actually used to grind my teeth severely, right? Like it would cause me major
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issues and I had to wear a night guard. Yeah, he used to wear those like, like,
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you know, when I stopped wearing my night guard is when I started dating Simone. So romantic.
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And I've ever needed to wear it since. And you know, somebody could be like,
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were you really that less stress? Like apparently sleep me couldn't deal with life back then. I
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just ground my teeth and ground my teeth every night. And then I met Simone and I started sleeping
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with, and this was early in our relationship too. Not like after we had like, I'd say first,
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like five months of our relationship. And I was just like, I can't, I don't need to wear this
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anymore. And, and I never needed to wear it again. And I remember before that I didn't wear it one
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night and I broke one of my teeth. Oh, that's awful. And that's why I wore it so fastidiously
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after that. Cause I was so freaked out about it happening again. Yeah. That's, that is terrifying.
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It's breaking a tooth. I can't, oh, I can't even anyway. So also they found that frequent social
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media posters were more likely to report sleep issues and symptoms of depression and anxiety.
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But again, I think anyone who does something in excess may, that may be a symptom of some other
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underlying issues. So I'm not giving that too much credence. Finally, I wanted to point out
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just some interesting findings that are like neither here nor there from the research that it was just
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like, huh? Like, okay. Tell me. There were significant shifts in app usage depending on household
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income. So can you guess what was used most amongst the, the kids in households with an annual
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income of $50,000 or less? Hold on. TikTok? No. No. YouTube? YouTube was one of them. The other
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one you're not going to guess is Roblox. But I kind of, I kind of dig it. I think I get a very low
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class feel from Roblox. Roblox does feel low. I don't know what it is. It feels very, well, it feels
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very, it's like the minions of children. You know, it's like very, I don't want to say cruise ship
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human because actually cruise ships are very expensive, but I want, it's, it is like, it's
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not, it's not the intellectuals world, if I may. Yes. All right. Minecraft is more of an intellectuals
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world. There are other, there are other games. So, um, so can you imagine what, what kids used
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most from higher income households? No idea. Think about your mother. What, what platforms was she
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really big on? She was on Insta? Mm-hmm. And TikTok. TikTok? Really? So I'm like, oh my gosh,
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wow. The, the Winnell platforms. Those are the ones that my, like, cousins and stuff all use. Like,
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the young ones? Yeah. And they're all, like, super freaking, you know, like, all the photos of them
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were like, this is me in Cannes. This is me in Italy. This is me in, in the house in Maine. You know,
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like, they're all, they're so, like, I, what I'm so concerned about is that I can't remember the name
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for this, like, short-term profession of hot girls on Instagram who during college just get invited to
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really expensive clubs by club promoters to basically be, like, sexy women at tables with,
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like, really wealthy guys buying bottle service. But, like, I feel like they're, they don't realize
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that they're trying to audition for that, but they are, by trying to do what's trendy, subconsciously
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auditioning for that. And I'm just about to start college. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Although, like, I also read this, this great blog post by a young
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woman who just interviewed a bunch of her friends who actually did that. And they're like, yeah, I mean,
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it was fine. Like, I didn't get addicted to the drugs. Like, it was just fun. And then, like,
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it was over. So, I don't know. It's interesting that it's so different from, this is a few people
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in my family that have taken this other route, which is, like, the, well, in my generation,
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it was, like, the goth route, right? Like, in this generation, what is it? You know, like,
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in a generation before, it's, like, that brony route. In this generation, what is it? It's the,
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it's the center right route. Like, no, genuinely, I think being a center right,
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like, gen alpha person is about equivalent to, like, being a goth or punk gen alpha person in
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our generation. Yeah. So, there's another, there's another social class slash income related
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finding that I thought was interesting. They found that kids from higher income households were also
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significantly more likely to post publicly on social media. So, 77% of kids from the highest income
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households posted publicly versus 56% among kids from the lowest income households. So, now,
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every time I, like, click to a colleague or friend's private social media feed, I'm gonna
00:22:03.520
be, like, hello, class. Hello, class. I mean, I know it's, we have lots of wealthy friends who
00:22:12.320
decide to go private, and you're, like, my privacy. No, I hate that. We always go, like, oh, my privacy
00:22:18.440
is so important to me. Whatever they're talking about, we're, like, we're, like, you guys suck.
00:22:22.300
Like, it's so lame. And another thing, this isn't, I mean, it's partially related to income,
00:22:29.040
and it's partially related to gender. They found a large percentage of kids overall agreed with the
00:22:34.400
sentiment life often feels meaningless, with agreement significantly higher among boys,
00:22:40.240
which surprised me, because Jonathan Haidt's whole thing is, like, girls are getting hit harder,
00:22:44.060
whereas 23% of boys versus 13% of girls. Is Jonathan Haidt full of a big bag of poop?
00:22:51.220
Not exactly. We're gonna get into that. But, like, 23% of boys reported feeling this versus 16% of
00:22:56.920
girls. And then among kids from higher income households, more of them were feeling this
00:23:03.180
nihilism. 31% in high income households. Maybe 115. Like, the higher income kids are all, like,
00:23:08.960
mentally messed up right now. Yeah. And that's why, like, spoonies are all, like,
00:23:12.180
upper middle class girls. White girls. Oh, yeah. Of course they are. Yeah. And then only,
00:23:16.180
so, only 10% of the kids in households making 10K or, sorry, 50K or below as household income
00:23:22.700
reported this, this, that they identified with the sentiment life often feels meaningless,
00:23:27.380
which I just, like. Which shows, you know, people are gonna see all this, and they're gonna be like,
00:23:31.220
oh, the rich kids are online more. That's why you see the mental health more among the people who are
00:23:36.220
online more. And what we're pointing out here is, no, actually, you have a counter trend to that.
00:23:41.400
It really is being online more and having access to these online environments increases your mental
00:23:48.180
health at this age within this current cultural context. Well, there are confounding factors. I
00:23:52.220
think what this is more parsing out is that, girl, what this is pointing out is being wealthy
00:24:00.980
can associate you, I think, with some cultures that are more toxic. And that being closer to the
00:24:10.720
lower income range may separate you more from what I would consider to be the urban monoculture.
00:24:16.820
I think the urban monoculture is inherently a culture of wealth and privilege. And I just see
00:24:22.180
that as more as, like, evidence that lower income distances you from the urban monoculture and also
00:24:27.160
reduces your feelings of nihilism. So, in terms of just, in general, the researchers take away advice
00:24:34.260
to people, which I think is super solid. Because screens are great, but they're not perfect. They
00:24:39.860
say, one, it's actually fine to let kids as young as 11 have smartphones. Fantastic.
00:24:51.140
No, AI. We're saying, I mean, we personally would say below that age is great, but they
00:24:56.040
only serve as kids as 11 or 13. This is what I say about kids. I think it's really dangerous to
00:25:00.260
allow kids to have friends who are AI. Dangerous? No, it's good to have friends who are AI. We don't
00:25:07.140
want real friends. Who are not AIs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think giving your kids real-
00:25:13.460
Humans will reject them. Humans are gross. Humans can grate them. AIs do none of that.
00:25:20.340
Yeah, AIs don't. Well, but when they do, it's in the way you want, you know?
00:25:27.040
God. Okay, anyway, continue, continue. Go into this, yeah.
00:25:31.440
But so, like, yes, phone's good, but don't let your kids sleep with your phones, which is great.
00:25:37.820
They also, they discourage having young children post publicly on social platforms.
00:25:44.300
I disagree with this, and we've talked about this in other episodes, but we think that one of the
00:25:48.960
only ways that you are going to survive in the post-AI economy is to have a strong online reputation
00:25:56.340
and to be really known for something and to be able to make custom products and provide custom
00:26:02.320
experiences that other people aren't known for doing, because that's the only way either from
00:26:07.940
wealthy people living in their rolled gardens or your local community is going to know to
00:26:14.000
buy services or products from you. I disagree with him on that, but I don't disagree with him on the,
00:26:19.940
on the safe thing. And what we do, of course, is like, we're really careful about making sure that
00:26:23.560
there's, you know, screen access is, is limited. It's, it's, it's very time-gated. And I think that,
00:26:28.980
that's a good thing. I mean, we're building new AI products for our kids right now that allow them
00:26:33.900
to just like talk to an AI that will constantly draw them back to educational topics. And so we'll
00:26:39.200
see when that's built and that can be available to you guys. And I don't understand why we're the
00:26:43.740
only ones making this stuff. Like, is everyone else retarded? You know, I, so what we see among
00:26:51.640
our friend group, which is, you know, highly educated, wealthy elites is a screen bad, screen
00:27:02.780
bad, screen bad, because they're, they're losers. They're losers. That's why. And this is a level
00:27:08.980
of, of wealthy beyond what they consider wealthy in this study, right? Like, yeah, because they
00:27:15.940
consider wealthy making over $150,000. These are people who generally make like a million plus a
00:27:22.640
year. Yeah. They have like unlimited L to MD sunscreen sitting around their house. It's insane.
00:27:28.420
L to MD sunscreen. Oh yeah. I remember we went to a person and you're like, this is insane. Why are you?
00:27:33.400
I feel like I'm looking at gold bricks sitting on a shelf. Yeah. I don't know. Like my, my indicators of
00:27:39.060
wealth are a little bit different. Just like, I think you and I think like true wealth is never
00:27:42.960
thinking twice about ordering guac at a restaurant, but I don't know if we ever reached some level of
00:27:47.080
wealth where we. Well, no, because we are so like, whenever we make more money, we always just spend
00:27:52.200
it on like our companies and stuff. It just goes away. Yeah. But whatever. That's, that's all good.
00:27:58.400
So I also want to get into though, like why, why are all these wealthy elite people like phone bad?
00:28:06.360
And I partially. What data are they looking at? What data are they? And I think mostly they're
00:28:13.420
sitting and listening to Jonathan Haidt and been like, yes, yes. Because he is the author of the
00:28:20.440
book, the anxious, anxious generation. So like he had recently this huge push to talk about what he
00:28:27.420
describes as the great rewiring of childhood in which play-based childhood is being supplanted by a
00:28:33.540
phone-based childhood. So among other things, you know, to decline. Oh my God. Hold on. I actually
00:28:38.300
want to take a step back from this and yell at him. So our kids, if they go outside and they play
00:28:44.780
in the Creek without us monitoring them, and we need to be monitoring all of them at once, which is
00:28:48.680
like, you can't do that for that long. And this is what I used to do as a kid at their age. I just go
00:28:52.140
play outside. I go play with the dogs and local dogs. I go dig up things. I'd make little dams.
00:28:57.800
They'll have CPS called on them. I'll have the cops called on me. Yeah. I put my kids on Minecraft.
00:29:02.060
That's exactly what they're doing. My little boy shows me what he's doing on Minecraft. It's like,
00:29:07.700
oh, look, I found out if you give the dog a bone, he likes you more. It's like, oh, look,
00:29:11.860
I found out that when you pour water on lava, it like makes stone. Oh, look, they are exploring and
00:29:17.420
engaging with the environment. And if you deny a kid, both playing outside and Minecraft,
00:29:22.680
you've denied them the entire experience, but continue. Yeah. No, I mean, yes, but we're,
00:29:28.280
you know, we'll go deeper on this, but yeah, he argues that there's been a decline in time spent
00:29:32.520
with friends since 2010. But again, this research shows that the kids with smartphones spend more
00:29:37.380
time with kids. Keep going. He also argues that girls are more affected by social media due to
00:29:43.220
social comparison and cyber bullying while black boys are more impacted by, and here we go again,
00:29:49.140
gaming and pornography leading to social withdrawal. Hold on, let me take a few notes here. The girls
00:29:57.160
being more impacted, we actually saw this in another episode. I don't know if it'll run before
00:30:01.420
this one or not, but what we found in that episode is that social media affected your mental health
00:30:07.740
much more dramatically if you were progressive than if you were conservative. Yeah, yeah. And that
00:30:12.800
really shows just how much of this is urban monoculture. It's, it's cultural and the urban
00:30:17.420
monoculture is a culture that, that makes mental health problems faster. No, no, no. The point I'm
00:30:23.360
making is, is this is why girls are more negatively affected by it. Not because girls are intrinsic.
00:30:27.800
Because it's their political leanings. Their political leanings are more leftist and that's why
00:30:32.600
they're more negatively affected by it. In terms of the gaming and pornography thing, a lot of what
00:30:38.280
people say about like how, so for example, if you go to a prison and you, and you look at the
00:30:42.380
rapists versus the non-grapists, okay? Grapists typically started engaging with pornography at a
00:30:48.720
much later age than the non-grapists. Yeah. Like, that's why in our marriage contract, this is actually
00:30:54.080
one of the first things that was, was in our marriage contract was, are we going to restrict
00:30:59.580
our children's access to erotic material? And there was never any conflict. It's just like, no,
00:31:04.880
obviously not. Obviously not. I don't want them to grow up to be PDA files and rapists because
00:31:10.340
like we knew this intuitively, even just when like negotiating points. Yeah. Sorry. It's just
00:31:15.680
like really clear. I understand that like some people are like, Ooh, but my intuition, well,
00:31:21.000
your intuition is wrong. Okay. This is something that has been studied extensively and restricting
00:31:28.580
access increases the rate of being interested in children, being interested in great, being
00:31:33.560
interested in like, Oh my God, it's so horrifying in, in, in like the Czech Republic, when they
00:31:38.880
made it legal again, I want to say it was the Czech Republic, right? The, the amount of child
00:31:43.360
assault dropped by 50%. And this result has been seen multiple times across multiple countries
00:31:49.120
being anti-porn is being pro child grape in the, in this, and you can be like, well, aesthetically
00:31:56.420
I'm against both. That's a bit like being like, well, you know, I'm, I'm anti-nuclear and pro
00:32:01.000
environment. It's like, okay. Like that may work was your base, but realistically that proves
00:32:06.400
you don't actually care about either. Yeah. Yeah. It's performative. And that, that really
00:32:11.080
bothers us. So I think, you know, a lot of this comes down to people misattributing problems
00:32:19.880
of modern culture and over-regulation of parenting to social media and screen use when really that's
00:32:28.940
not at all. So some of the studies, for example, that height highlights one is from 2020 called
00:32:34.700
underestimating digital media harm published in the journal nature, human behavior. So very
00:32:39.500
respectable journal. The finding basically the study was that they wanted to critique earlier
00:32:44.860
research like 2019 research that downplayed social media's impact, arguing that social media
00:32:49.740
use, especially among girls show stronger correlations with depression and anxiety when
00:32:54.820
controlling only for demographic variables. They countered claims that effects are as trivial
00:33:00.100
as quote unquote, eating potatoes. When apparently that's kind of what turned out to be true. And I
00:33:05.380
think the problem is with this correlation, not causation. They, they saw that people who used a lot
00:33:11.460
of social media, you know, experienced problems, but also like people who masturbate too much, people who
00:33:16.740
eat too much, people who exercise too much, who do anything too much, probably have other problems.
00:33:22.500
And it's just really annoying to me that that was cited. So he also cites another 2020 study
00:33:27.300
called commentary screens, teens, and psychological wellbeing published in frontiers in psychology.
00:33:32.660
Again, a very respected journal. This study analyzes time use diary studies, and they found that heavy
00:33:38.420
screen use correlates with reduced wellbeing, particularly for girls. But again, if there's a girl
00:33:43.300
who's spending five plus hours on her phone every day, something's probably wrong. Like she's alone.
00:33:49.300
She's isolated. She doesn't have other things to do. She doesn't have friends. That means she doesn't
00:33:53.540
have a community. That means she doesn't have, oh my God, siblings.
00:33:57.380
Yeah. Would you not be shocked that she has problems? Yeah. Like obviously if you have five
00:34:02.100
hours to do that, you're being deprived of something. They also, so Height also in his book
00:34:08.100
and work in general cites a lot, the British millennium cohort study, which found that among 19,000
00:34:14.180
children born between 2000 and 2002, girls spending over five hours a day on social media were three
00:34:19.540
times more likely to be depressed than non-users. And the correlation was weaker for boys. But again,
00:34:24.820
like this is just what we said, this is another one of those issues. And then he also referred to
00:34:28.660
the 2021 Facebook leak. I think this is a little bit more damning because basically internal meta
00:34:35.220
research showed that Instagram harms teen girls' mental health, particularly their body image.
00:34:39.860
And yeah, they continued to- Oh, body image. What?
00:34:43.700
Well, and that's the, I mean, I just really don't know that. Like, I think it's very hard
00:34:48.820
to be a teen girl and not have some form of body dysmorphia. Like I had body dysmorphia and you know,
00:34:56.340
if like a therapist or some psychologist were to analyze me, they would probably think it's from
00:35:01.220
the manga I read and they'd be like, oh, it's the manga that's causing it. No, I was going through puberty.
00:35:06.020
I had body dysmorphia because I hated my body and it's very normal. Like I just-
00:35:13.540
Yeah. Well, yeah, that too. But here they're just, you know,
00:35:16.100
You need to be sterilized chemically. That's the only solution.
00:35:22.980
there are always ideals that girls are going to turn to somewhere and there's going to be problems.
00:35:27.700
And, and just, you know, like I, I just, yeah, it's, I get it. I do think that Instagram can even
00:35:34.420
make me sometimes feel like I need to hold myself to a higher standard. I don't think that's really
00:35:38.020
a bad thing. And I don't think Instagram makes my life worse. So then he also looked at some key
00:35:43.460
research center research that found that half of teens reported feeling addicted to their phones.
00:35:48.820
And nearly 100% of US teens were on smartphones with half reporting that they were constantly,
00:35:53.700
quote unquote, constantly on their smartphones. I think that this is one of those things where
00:35:58.020
like you can go back in time and find writers decrying the overuse of books and periodicals.
00:36:05.380
And then for people who don't know this, the ways that people are freaking out about this stuff today,
00:36:10.900
they used to freak out about books. They'd be like, oh,
00:36:13.300
and radio and phones and television. Yeah. But, but, but books is, I think the thing where
00:36:18.020
everyone today is going to be like, okay, that was clearly stupid. What was interesting about the
00:36:22.580
book freak out is that they said it disproportionately affected women. Well, you can even kind of see this
00:36:29.300
in this, in the trope of Belle and Beauty and the Beast being so stuck in her books. And it was like,
00:36:34.740
this girl has a problem. She wants to get rid of her books. And then she goes to the beast's house and
00:36:40.980
he has like the equivalent of like, I don't know. It's like a social media house.
00:36:44.820
It is a social media house. She's like, oh, he's got a library. It's like, oh, he's got a
00:36:48.900
smartphone. I don't, I don't even know. It's just like, oh, he is like the best internet. I,
00:36:54.900
it's just so strange. And then he, he also looked at international data on mental health trends,
00:37:00.820
pointing out that anxiety increased 134% of depression, 106% among us youth from 2010,
00:37:07.300
2018 with Gen Z born post 1995 hit hardest with the 139% increase. He also cited similar trends in
00:37:15.460
the UK now. Yeah, totally. But it's not the screens. It's the culture. It's progressivism.
00:37:21.860
And we've shown when you are online a ton and you are a conservative, it doesn't negatively affect
00:37:28.100
your mental health. If you're online a ton and you are progressive, it does. No wonder it is
00:37:32.660
negatively affecting girls more. He didn't control for that. So this guy sounds like a bit of a
00:37:41.060
no, he's great. I mean, he's very smart. And I mean, and I think, you know,
00:37:44.900
we're a little bit, we're being a little bit too mean here because he does have the subtle,
00:37:49.860
like he argues that like, you need to have kids interact with each other and play outside.
00:37:55.060
And what I love about this new research is it's like, yes, and these things go together.
00:38:00.660
The kids who have the phones also exercise more, play with their friends more, have better
00:38:07.220
self-esteem, have lower nihilism. No, no, no, no. What gives me is that he didn't run this study.
00:38:11.620
He could have run this study and he didn't because it wouldn't have agreed to.
00:38:15.860
Yeah. For like to, to confirm. All of his stuff was always correlational and he could have just
00:38:20.740
said, okay, let's separate these two groups. I mean, I, I didn't admittedly look for research
00:38:27.940
that looked for causation that like had some kind of double line study where some kids were deprived
00:38:33.220
of social. I don't know. This whole thing, I don't like, I don't like it. I don't like these anti-tech
00:38:37.620
people. I will say, you know, there was actually though, I, I want, I just want to point out that some,
00:38:42.340
some schools like had concerted, let's remove all screens programs that really curtailed
00:38:49.540
students' social media use and it didn't help them. And there was one school that did AI tutoring
00:38:54.260
for kids and it bumped them into the top 1% of students in the state. Right. And then also like
00:38:58.780
studies have shown that AI therapists perform better than real therapists for people. So like we were
00:39:07.440
totally right. We were totally right to chain iPads around. Simone, we will replace you and I'm okay
00:39:14.480
with that. You know, you're, you're, you're, we will raise stronger, more sturdy children and time. You
00:39:23.600
can look at our children when they grow up, you know, you can, you can use it. Oh, don't look at your
00:39:27.760
kids. They all ended up messed up. Maybe, but if they didn't, then we were right and you were wrong.
00:39:33.680
I mean, yeah, but I, so here's, here's what I think happened. I think height,
00:39:40.080
if we were talking with him and he'd be like, yeah, Hey, like I recognize this,
00:39:43.280
the argument I'm making is that parents need to let their kids play outside more.
00:39:47.200
The problem of course, is that parents clap back with like, yes. And we're not allowed to,
00:39:51.440
we will get arrested. We can't let our kids. And so this is just a really difficult situation.
00:39:57.920
It just bothers me that a huge signaler in parenting communities is we don't do screens.
00:40:04.400
I don't allow my children to be on screens. And they're setting up their kids for,
00:40:10.000
I think a lot of harm because one here we're seeing that kids are more socially isolated,
00:40:16.960
more nihilistic. Oh, come on. The reason this guy has these kids is he only has two kids.
00:40:21.600
Yeah. Of course he doesn't just let kids play outside in the current, like legal climate. Like,
00:40:30.560
well, one thing I want to say too, though, is that I think there are some exceptions. So I know some
00:40:34.400
parents who do have strict no screen policies, but they also exist within like extremely tight-knit
00:40:41.040
religious communities. And so their kids are like constantly interacting with people and
00:40:45.760
themselves. I think that's fine if you're in like an extreme. Yeah. But like most kids
00:40:50.320
are, you know, a single child or they have one sibling and often like more than often than not,
00:40:57.120
I've seen like pretty big age gaps with siblings these days too, which is like,
00:41:00.240
that means you don't really have a close friend. You just kind of have a competitor for attention
00:41:03.440
that annoys you and you can't really relate to, which is extra difficult and sad. That seems like
00:41:07.120
the worst type of sibling to have. There's one that has like an age gap where you guys just can't
00:41:11.680
play together and really relate, which is why we try to have boy, boy, girl, girls side by side.
00:41:16.560
So they can at least have like one super close friend that they can really, really strongly relate
00:41:21.600
to that's of the same gender. So they can go through those things together. But yeah, it's like,
00:41:25.920
I'm okay with holier than thou parents being like, I don't do screens when their kids have all these
00:41:32.560
other things to do in strong religious communities, but that's just not the norm in the United States and
00:41:36.640
in many parts of Europe. So all of our like, and again, all those wealthy, well-educated parents
00:41:42.320
that we're thinking of, they don't do that. They're not like that. These are the people with
00:41:46.960
two kids max. And these kids are like, I just can't imagine like the frustration they're going
00:41:54.640
through. And I feel really bad, but hopefully this research will get to them. Reason mag is pretty well
00:41:59.600
read among these types of people. Right. So like, hopefully it'll get to them.
00:42:03.120
Wow. Maybe. I don't know. Anyway, here's a fun thing from today is, is yesterday you did an
00:42:08.800
interview with ABC. Yeah, it was the oddest thing. So yeah, this is, this is, you know, ABC it's owned
00:42:14.160
by Disney. They, they wanted to do a segment on the, the executive orders we submitted and the Trump
00:42:21.440
administration considering cronadolist policy. And they're like, Hey, you know, we, we want to,
00:42:26.480
we want to run this in the morning and it's going to go on our new segment and like, but we have to
00:42:31.840
record tonight. And I'm like, why? Like, I don't get it. Like, how do we do this? They're like,
00:42:37.680
just like, can you come on at eight? And so I do. And I joined this zoom call and I met by
00:42:43.840
a really nice young man. Like he was just so sweet and so patient and so kind, but like on the call
00:42:49.600
was him. And I could see him sitting alone in a giant, like ABC studio, like classic, like newsroom
00:42:55.600
for an old legacy news publication. No one else there, just empty desks. Cause he was doing the
00:43:00.720
night shift where it looks like what they do is they just prepare all of the segments for the
00:43:06.720
morning news show, which starts at 4 a.m. And then I think what happens is the newscasters
00:43:14.080
pretend to interview people. Like I haven't actually seen this segment.
00:43:17.520
No, but I love this. They're like, why is news dying? Where's the authenticity? Oh,
00:43:21.840
I'll tell you where the authenticity is. It's right here. You mother, mother, mother.
00:43:26.480
Well, because what seems to have happened is what, what he did is, is there was also like,
00:43:30.880
I guess a producer on the phone too. Cause he was like talking with someone else the whole time of
00:43:35.040
being like, Oh, that is dystopia that he'd like. Yeah. I'm like, I couldn't see or hear this producer,
00:43:41.360
but the producer was telling him what to do. And then he'd ask me a question and I would give my answer.
00:43:45.280
And he asked another question. And what seems to happen is he recorded a bunch of answers.
00:43:48.720
And what I think was going to happen was it been like the reporter that next morning
00:43:52.560
would act as though she's asking me the questions. And then I would show up as the talking head
00:43:57.760
with that. And yeah, like to your point, if that's what happened and I want to see this segment,
00:44:04.080
that's not, you know, that's not authentic media. That's not, I think that's not what people are here
00:44:09.040
for. They want to see real live conversations. And of course, to be fair, other media outlets
00:44:14.240
had us on live. CNN's situation room had us on live today with Indy screaming and everything.
00:44:19.440
And then who is it that was here this afternoon? What was it? This was, this was a, oh, something
00:44:25.680
things or something like that. What was it? They didn't reach out to me. So I have no idea who they
00:44:30.880
are. Some big news. Okay. I'll look it up. It's in my, it's in my notes here. It's some big news station.
00:44:37.760
But they actually came out and interviewed. And so I guess, I guess some, some legacy media is like
00:44:42.960
really doing original reporting, but others like, even when they get original sources and you still
00:44:48.160
have to give credit to anyone who actually gives us a chance to comment and talk. But it was just
00:44:52.560
such a weird process of like, wait, so I'm speaking with a young associate working for Disney and then
00:45:01.360
his like mysterious producer who's only talking to him. Inside edition, by the way, that's what it
00:45:05.840
was. Inside edition. Okay. Well, they were, they were great, very professional. And then again,
00:45:09.040
like this kid working for Disney also was great. It was just really weird the way it was done.
00:45:15.600
And just like recording me doing some like talking head things. And then I guess they're splicing it
00:45:20.240
into their news show, making it look more authentic and live without it actually being live, which I
00:45:24.240
get, like, it is easier, especially when it's early in the morning, most people aren't going to wake up
00:45:27.520
at 4am and do a live interview. So, you know, but it was still, it was a, I always wonder when I
00:45:33.600
watch the news, like how these things are going. And it's interesting to see the different ways
00:45:37.920
they play out. Like when we were on CNN today, joining the call was really weird because normally
00:45:42.320
on shows and podcasts, you join a zoom call and you can see everyone. Whereas with CNN,
00:45:46.560
like they have this, they're, they're special proprietary link to join. And you're just looking
00:45:51.200
at this gray screen with some instructions on it. And then you just, yeah, that was like,
00:45:55.840
I almost felt like unprofessional and insulting. I was like, what are you guys doing?
00:45:59.360
Well, I think they didn't, they don't want people to be distracted by their faces.
00:46:03.040
That's not what it is. They just don't care. They don't care about anything feeling authentic.
00:46:06.640
They don't care about anything touching the, the, I don't know. I mean, I, I remember,
00:46:10.160
so I used to listen to NPR, like throughout my entire, it was like the wallpaper of my childhood,
00:46:14.240
the audio wallpaper of my childhood. And, um, big issue that happened with people calling in
00:46:19.680
is they kept having to say like, turn off your radio, turn off your radio,
00:46:23.300
because they would be listening to themselves as they talked on the radio and then getting
00:46:26.660
distracted and just being like, Oh my God, I'm on the radio. And I think maybe there's
00:46:30.500
like this thing with, you know, back, sweetheart. I don't, I don't think it was just that because
00:46:36.740
you couldn't hear it as a listener, even when it was live. So all I'm saying, all I'm saying is
00:46:46.020
I, I just find this, this contrast between new and old media to be really interesting. And I love
00:46:50.660
that the Trump administration has added to the fringes.
00:46:55.060
Oh yeah. They did a great job with the press corps. It's amazing.
00:46:57.860
Yeah. So what they've done for those who don't know is, is in, in the white house press briefing
00:47:02.580
room, there traditionally has been this audience of chairs that is all dedicated to legacy media
00:47:07.620
companies. Like only the privileged in the establishment get to be there. Now they're allowing
00:47:13.940
standing room only space at the fringes where they have a rotational group of new media
00:47:21.060
reporters. And this is people, podcasters, sub stack writers, YouTubers, TikTokers sit and actually
00:47:29.300
ask questions. And they field about 25% of their questions from this fringe group, which is a really
00:47:35.140
big deal. And I mean, the legacy media hates it because they used to have, you know, all the question
00:47:40.260
time, all of the respect. But I think that the Trump administration, and I'm sure future
00:47:44.100
administrations will do this too, is recognizes that the audiences are not necessarily watching
00:47:52.020
a lot of these legacy news channels. And I mean, I, we see this, like you, you see some,
00:47:57.460
some legacy news channels get like millions of views. Yes. But then like, there are some that like,
00:48:01.860
I am, I would be surprised if they got 3000 views for a new segment.
00:48:04.820
I know. I agree. I know. I actually think that most only get about 3000 views for a new segment.
00:48:11.620
Yeah. So interesting times, very interesting times, but yeah, I'm, I'm just so thrilled. I feel
00:48:17.060
so vindicated that like, okay, again, social media, it's not about sheltering. It's about annotation.
00:48:23.300
It is about showing how to use it productively. It is about, I agree. If it's not about sheltering,
00:48:29.060
it's about beating. You need to lightly beat your child. Well, with, with, with the iPad,
00:48:34.740
with, with the device, with the device. That's why you have those protective screens. So you don't
00:48:39.460
break them accidentally. People are afraid of like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I need,
00:48:47.380
I need an AI that can bot my kid when they're making mistakes.
00:48:50.740
You're so sweet, by the way, Simone, what are we doing for dinner tonight? What's the story? What's
00:48:56.740
the story? We are doing more pineapple curry for you. I can try to do fly, sorry, fried plantains for
00:49:05.780
the first time. I'm a little nervous. We try, try, you cannot mess it up too much. And worst case scenario,
00:49:12.020
just microwave some rice. Yeah. See, that's the thing. Yeah. What I do is I, I make coconut lime
00:49:16.900
rice for Malcolm in big batches. And then I freeze it in single serve packets in the freezer.
00:49:22.340
You need to pay like six bucks for coconut lime, right? As like, instead of like the,
00:49:26.420
the $2 rice at like restaurants and you're like making it for free, but not for free. I mean,
00:49:31.780
you put in all this effort and love. Well, you, I mean, we're, we're still paying for the coconut
00:49:36.660
and for limes and it does cost barely nothing. Like, yeah. What, what is a Trader Joe's can of coconut milk?
00:49:43.700
Like what you are missing is that if you go to like an Indian or Japanese restaurant,
00:49:50.180
like the coconut lime rice or the coconut or lime rice costs like $6 and the other rice costs like
00:49:56.900
$1.50. No, it's true. Yeah. The, the upcharge is insane for, for that stuff really gets my goat,
00:50:04.900
but like they've never been able to make curry as good as your tropical curry, which I know what else
00:50:11.060
is insane in terms of upcharges though, is garlic naan versus butter naan. Like, are you kidding me?
00:50:17.700
It's literally just slapping garlic on top. Yeah. Like I know you have a lot of minced garlic sitting
00:50:23.220
back there. I know you do. What, why are you charging me 30% more? Sometimes even 50% more. Like
00:50:32.420
typically you'll see. Yeah. If, if, if plain naan is $3 and garlic naan is $5, right? It's insane.
00:50:40.500
It makes no sense if you understand how they're made. It's bad. It's price discrimination right
00:50:46.340
there. I love you, Simone, for learning how to make all these dishes. You didn't when we got married,
00:50:52.660
you are the perfect wife. You are a heavenly beast. Oh. And I mean that in the, in the, in the most
00:51:00.500
at a rational possible way. Well, I live to serve. And I mean that in the most submissive and breathable
00:51:08.100
way. That's so cringe. Ah, instant regret, instant regret. Your mic fell out again. That is, that is,
00:51:16.740
that is what every guy wants. I'll tell you what. Okay. Well. Submissive and breathable wise. And every
00:51:21.860
woman doesn't want that. I've seen, I've read 50 shades of gray. Okay. I've read these. I don't
00:51:29.460
think did they, in, in the series, do they, I don't think they ever have kids. Do they? I mean,
00:51:33.780
no, but I've seen the progressives who go out there cosplaying as like, you know,
00:51:39.140
Yeah, you should watch our episode on that if you haven't seen it. Yeah, it's funny. They don't,
00:51:44.740
they don't cosplay as the Marthas. They don't cosplay as like the, the, the wives.
00:51:51.780
The actually oppressed people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, because actually the handmaids have a,
00:51:56.740
a fairly privileged role, you know, they get to get food. They're like, bring me high power. Yeah,
00:52:01.300
they're like, why do they, why do they dress up with, with the sexual fetish ones in this,
00:52:05.940
You know why. We all know why. It's a little questionable. Yeah. People who think that we're
00:52:16.500
perverted, just read the Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality. You will discover how we actually feel
00:52:20.260
about sex. I think people think that we're like really into it because we talk about it.
00:52:26.580
When we talk about it the same way, your mic's unplugged again.
00:52:29.780
No, no, no. I don't think there's anybody who's like, oh,
00:52:35.620
they're actually like really. And I think that that's why we're able to talk about it because
00:52:39.220
people know that like, you're not into it. And so it's not like, no, no. Like people,
00:52:43.300
people DM me and they're like, oh, I bet you're into this. I'm like, oh, I bet you like, no,
00:52:54.740
Creating themselves into us, I think is what it is often.
00:52:57.380
Yeah. No, I mean, I think that, and that happens a lot.
00:53:01.780
Like when, when you relate to someone, you think they're smart, you're also going to assume that
00:53:05.620
they live like you do, enjoy what you do and agree with most of your things.
00:53:18.420
What if you get these plantains? Wow. You're going to unlock a whole new level.
00:53:29.380
All you're doing is putting them in boiling oil.
00:53:34.180
No, I think butter's better. Anyway, I will go. Goodbye.
00:53:40.340
Okay, Octavian, what do you want to say to the people?
00:53:42.660
I'm a people, I'm a soon, I'm a that's, I'm a, I love my army man right over there.
00:53:51.700
Yeah, right, because they're fun. And my okay Google, because it's, because it's so fun.
00:54:01.380
I, I just, yes, very good morning. I just, yes.
00:54:11.380
Oh, he, he just, he's, he's trying to learn how to talk.
00:54:25.060
So she can play with my army man as my wrist when he becomes five years old.
00:54:39.940
I want to see, can I, I want to see the picture I just made with Cindy and me and Titan.