Based Camp - August 28, 2025


The Dataļ¼š Women May Have Broken Western Civilization


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00:00:00.000 hello simone today we are going to be discussing how women destroyed society and because of course
00:00:08.020 they did of course they did no actually so people they go on our podcast and they might think we're
00:00:12.880 going to do one of our sort of bait and switch things here where i'm like well women cause some
00:00:17.040 problems you know no uh and especially no you're like but actually no seriously my words i'm going
00:00:23.320 to be going over somebody else's piece so no one attribute this to me i'm not saying i'm just saying
00:00:28.920 it's worth talking about this piece and statistics shows how society began to fall apart with the
00:00:39.680 rise of the feminist movement and women participating in politics in the labor force and usually i'm not
00:00:47.300 like particularly compelled by these sorts of cases if people know me in this instance i found it
00:00:52.480 compelling but what's interesting is the entire piece if you didn't like wade through the first
00:00:57.500 part which i'm not going to share with you guys because it's boring you and the title you wouldn't
00:01:01.840 know that that's what the piece is the piece is progress studies and feminization okay and and then
00:01:09.340 the subtitle is you can't undo just one part of the 1960s and it's by our favorite one of our favorite
00:01:15.640 writers for this show is arctotherium he's fun oh and he also yeah no he's definitely it's women's fault
00:01:22.080 so okay yeah okay arcto fine let's hear your theorem yeah and the broader thing is and i and i'll note
00:01:30.060 here i'm not saying all women are a danger to society i'm just saying non-autistic women are a
00:01:34.560 danger to society thanks malcolm like women like my wife are fine you're you're a sweetheart well i mean
00:01:39.740 yeah i mean just just to do basic female functions i have to take the same amount of hormones as a trans
00:01:44.620 woman so can we really call me female right yeah so here i'm gonna pop on screen a graph that was in
00:01:52.660 this first rambling bit he did which is the henry adams curve of energy consumption and it's supposed
00:01:58.960 to go up logarithmically but actually what we can see here is around the 1960s it stopped and if anything
00:02:06.040 started declining while before perfectly fitting to the curve then if we go down to this next study
00:02:12.800 here we can look at total pages published in the federal register thousands of pages per year we can
00:02:18.460 also see a logarithmic curve going up until we hit around 1975 and then it basically stops okay
00:02:27.660 now to go into the piece where it starts getting interesting we live in an age that has lost its optimism
00:02:35.540 polls show that people think the world is getting worse not better children fear dying from environmental
00:02:40.200 catastrophe before they reach old age technologists are as likely to be told that they are ruining
00:02:45.680 society as they are bettering it and then he is right this change is quantifiable books written in
00:02:52.360 english french and german the three major languages of the modern west showed a continuous rise in the
00:02:58.080 number of terms relating to progress and the future from around 1600 to 1970 when things suddenly took
00:03:04.180 a turn for the worse and here i will put on a screen a graph here and what you can see here is going into
00:03:11.400 the 1900s basically until you get to around the 1970s two things happened in the english language
00:03:16.640 people stop using terms that stand for progress or the future like moving forwards and they start using
00:03:22.880 more words that are associated with caution worry and risk so society basically became worried about the
00:03:30.740 future getting better and if you go and we talked about this in our episode nationalism saves countries
00:03:35.380 and it's not just nationalism it's retro futuristic nationalism where if you go to the 1950s sci-fi
00:03:40.760 it's just very forward looking very excited about the future you know it's all you know rocket ships and
00:03:47.160 exploration and in utopian colonies when that stuff is incredibly rare in modern sci-fi you see very
00:03:53.840 very little utopian sci-fi anymore and even sci-fi that used to have i think star trek's a bit of a
00:03:59.880 dystopia but it's at least written as a utopia watch our star trek episode one of my favorites
00:04:03.700 but the utopian nature has left modern star trek where it's written much more dystopianly now if
00:04:10.940 you look at something like you know lower decks or you look at the new like picard show and stuff like
00:04:16.480 that and the larger piece just you know that he is he sort of views feminism as an antagonist to what
00:04:25.860 he refers to as progress studies or like research into progress now i actually think this framing is
00:04:31.080 stupid when what he's actually talking about is human progress more broadly but if you're wondering
00:04:35.240 what progress studies is that's like what tyler cohen like mercanter does that sort of stuff
00:04:40.240 all right or i guess aporia more broadly does that which is where this piece was written
00:04:44.820 one of the biggest drivers progress too right based out of the uk yeah okay so then back to this piece
00:04:51.700 one of the biggest drivers of progress is rationality progress depends on the belief that the world is
00:04:55.720 rational to begin with and can be understood and therefore intentionally changed for the better
00:05:00.580 i would agree with that anton house the historian behind the age of invention calls this the quote
00:05:06.680 unquote improvers mentality and observes that it is historically rare only arising in a handful of
00:05:12.720 cultures this is not an intuitive belief exclamation mark muslim scholar al-gazali famously argued that
00:05:18.620 as everything occurs the way allah wills it rather than according to predictable laws science was
00:05:25.120 impossible the idea of progress that sustained improvement is both possible and desirable is a
00:05:31.220 fleeting one and here i'll note here we've talked about when islam began to fail and became sort of a
00:05:36.640 religion of the dark ages because there was a period when it was one of the greatest religions of
00:05:40.740 progress out there so much so that when western writers would write scientific works they would often write
00:05:46.580 under arab pen names because people wouldn't take them seriously so that's that is how far ahead of
00:05:52.700 us they were in the sciences right and al-gazali comes along and basically everything begins to fall
00:05:58.140 apart he's like we need to become mystical we need to stop this this progress stuff basically oh no
00:06:03.840 right yeah not great and i don't think it's it's great for a lot of modern jewish stuff because we are
00:06:10.840 seeing this in modern jewish religious traditions with the habad movement for example moving them more
00:06:16.400 towards mysticism and normalizing mysticism which i see as sort of a jewish version of al-gazali's
00:06:22.020 sufi mystics even more importantly reason allows people to stand on the shoulders of giants
00:06:29.400 science and i'll note here what mysticism the reason why mysticism doesn't allow that is because
00:06:33.360 mysticism says that the subjective experiences you have whether it's from corrupted mental states like
00:06:38.860 drugs or spinning or just your own intuition take precedence over subjective rationality that can be
00:06:44.920 tested in sort of the court of of the real world right yeah which means you can't stand on giant
00:06:50.240 shoulders anymore because now you're just speculating on somebody else's speculation which
00:06:54.680 never had anybody really confirm its authenticity except for whoever was a popular idea person at the
00:07:00.240 time scientific and technological progress are driven by exceptional individuals but reason makes
00:07:05.780 it possible to reliably build on the past or to debunk them when they're wrong which allows the
00:07:11.360 collective brain to improve over time rather than running in circles with that in mind the english
00:07:16.620 corpus shows a steady rise in reason related words a corresponding fall in intuition related words
00:07:23.080 from 1850 to 1975 and here he shows a chart where you can see principal component words sentiment
00:07:30.360 intention related words and rationality related words in four major language groups here you've got english
00:07:37.620 all you've got spanish you've got english fiction and you've got english excel fiction i don't know
00:07:43.040 what that stands for but you can see this is a very strong trend where you have a graph that's just going
00:07:48.780 down down down down down down down down down hits the 1950s shoot right up to right now we are at a lower
00:07:57.440 use of many of these words like let's say if you're looking at like how high intuition related words are used
00:08:03.540 today they are finally today used more or around as much as they were in the 1850s oh dear in english
00:08:10.620 and in spanish they're used more in english fiction more nice right that is horrifying if if you look
00:08:20.080 at sentiment like sentimentality related words you have it go down down down down down down down till
00:08:25.040 you're the cold rationalist victorians now shooting right up to like double the rate they were ever used
00:08:30.220 in the 1850s so this is definitely a real thing that he's known here and he said you can see the
00:08:35.480 same trend in congress he shows here emi ratings for democrats and republicans yeah and you can see
00:08:42.980 they they were holding steady or sorry it was going up from 1880 to around the 1970s and then it begins
00:08:51.260 to crash and now it's at way lower rates than it was in 1880s so the political sex difference
00:08:59.360 progress and and this was really interesting because i didn't know this and we're going to
00:09:02.900 go into another piece here before i get into this but i want to hear your thoughts so far
00:09:06.520 i i sort of feel this argument fleshed out i mean society has sort of felt like scientifically we've
00:09:14.380 been declining since the 1970s well and and that sentiment and optics and emotion have taken the
00:09:21.760 place of reason and facts and science so i don't disagree with this i want to see a more stronger
00:09:29.800 argument for a connection between feminine influence we haven't gotten to that yet but i can argue for an
00:09:35.120 alternate theory of what might be causing this yeah it could be the establishment of the institutional
00:09:39.880 academic bureaucracy because that didn't really happen until the 1970s and and and a lot of people
00:09:45.720 don't realize when they're like trust the science that the system we use to determine what science is
00:09:50.900 true and what isn't like a peer-reviewed with like a score attached to it based on how many people have
00:09:56.520 cited you this system didn't really develop until the 1970s before that science was something entirely
00:10:03.560 different and so when people say trust the science they don't understand they're saying trust an
00:10:07.440 entirely new system that doesn't seem to work very well and that hasn't really been tested but that
00:10:12.320 in the way that we're seeing it tested in the court of public opinion is not doing well if you look at
00:10:15.640 the rate of scientific progress to the rate of funding going into scientific progress but you see
00:10:20.120 it's basically flatlined since the 1970s when you account for the amount of funding it seems so
00:10:26.080 counterintuitive that the rise of academia would see a drop in facts and a rise in sentimentality
00:10:34.980 though that's so odd yeah all right so anyway he says here i've been thinking about this progress in
00:10:40.540 the sense of progress studies lately as i'm wrapping up the fellowship and leading into the conference
00:10:45.100 a common lament is that the progress community is very masculine both in the sense that women are
00:10:50.760 underrepresented among enthusiasts of markets and technology and perhaps also in the sense that
00:10:55.900 there may be something inherently quote-unquote masculine in the gung-ho relentless aggressive vibe of
00:11:01.680 progress as a concept in itself and this was by sarah constantine who said this so a woman said this
00:11:07.520 the woman said that progress is a masculine but what i found really compelling and i didn't know this
00:11:12.160 is despite the widening gap in political identification which we all know about sex differences on specific
00:11:18.680 political issues are typically small but there is and i'm gonna put a graph on screen here because i
00:11:23.680 didn't know this and what this graph shows is just all of the various you know abolition private health
00:11:29.580 insurance against limited government magazines you know like just tons and tons and tons of different
00:11:34.460 positions here and what you'll notice is that the male and female position is really not that far apart
00:11:39.580 on most issues um but then he notes here was one enormous area where that is true support for
00:11:47.740 technological progress economic dynamism and human abundance this is the one area where women actually
00:11:54.380 have a massive difference in terms of their preferences why why well you actually see that
00:12:02.220 okay think about it this way if you go around and you ask people are should nuclear reactors be shut down
00:12:07.740 like our nuclear reactor is a danger women are going to be hugely disproportionately more likely to say they
00:12:13.020 should be shut down and you actually see this in the studies we'll get to this in a bit or you ask about
00:12:17.020 gmo foods human are wildly more likely to say gmo food should be shut down i mean i would think
00:12:23.660 of ai technology and this is why the conservatives have weirdly become the pro ai party and the
00:12:28.060 progressives the anti-ai party because the progressives are and i and i note to our followers
00:12:33.420 here what this means is if you're the type of conservative who goes out there and is like hey we need to
00:12:39.580 like shut down research we need to not you know continue with all this scientific development you
00:12:44.780 fundamentally have a feminized mind you're thinking like a woman the conservative who comes out there
00:12:50.140 and is like well we just need to stop all of this this this moving forwards we need to go back to
00:12:54.700 the way things were you are thinking like a woman there we go there we go yeah yeah but i actually now
00:13:01.660 i'm going to skip and go to the piece that he linked to where this graph came from that showed that
00:13:05.820 women and men actually aren't that different in their political beliefs because i thought it had some
00:13:08.700 interesting ideas in it okay so it says and we'll put an image on screen here if the longhouse values
00:13:14.380 feelings of warmth and safety among all else the longhouse is like this female cabal sort of idea
00:13:19.820 it's the the male version of the patriarchy that some men come up with and don't want to admit
00:13:24.540 that they're just blaming everything on the matriarchy reveling into learned helplessness which the
00:13:29.420 longhouse does do i would argue like the whiter female vibe the goon cave lacks decorum is
00:13:35.660 unnecessarily cruel and generally repulses most respectable people and he has an image representing
00:13:41.340 the two and i'm like yeah that checks out for me for example your symbol of progress in the second
00:13:47.260 half of the 20th century was space exploration for as far back as there is data men have been
00:13:52.380 much more likely to support increasing government funding for space exploration usually around twice
00:13:57.420 as much i don't put a graph on screen here which shows this divide was women now more and more against
00:14:03.020 space exploration well then women can't complain about not being astronauts at the same level
00:14:08.380 you gotta pitch in there's women astronauts there's those women who paid men to make them
00:14:12.780 astronauts they can be adored perhaps the single biggest political issue taken up by those under the
00:14:20.620 banner of progress studies is housing political barriers to local construction nimbyism especially
00:14:25.340 in highly desirable metropolitan areas are blamed for low supply and thus extremely high housing prices
00:14:31.340 which are in turn blamed for slow growth climate change poor health financial instability economic
00:14:35.900 instability and falling fertility in britain which was one of the worst housing crises in the developed
00:14:40.940 world men support building more houses in their local area by 17 points while women oppose it by three
00:14:46.620 points that's a divide wow okay what are your thoughts so far before we go further here i don't
00:14:54.620 understand women this is if i say non-autistic women know your limits see how the men look at her with utter
00:15:03.500 contempt women know your limits um we need to the greater replacement the autists need to replace
00:15:12.140 everyone else we need to we're working on it man watch this you need to get out there and get pregnant
00:15:17.820 and make it your new special interest okay because i don't want my kids out there dating some normie
00:15:23.900 woman all right that's going to be very dangerous they're going to have to deal with emotions and
00:15:27.980 sense of mentality and anti-progress very difficult we need we need to wash this out of the gene pool
00:15:33.500 whatever is leading women to to feel this way so to continue here nuclear power which combines
00:15:39.020 significant greenhouse gas emissions which which is great very good at removing air pollution with
00:15:44.860 the reliability of fossil fuels also truths is very reliable is another technology the progress
00:15:50.300 movement strongly backs as a supplement to solar there is a 30 point sex gap in the support of increasing
00:15:56.620 nuclear power generation in the us and being male is one of the strongest predictors of support of
00:16:02.380 nuclear in denmark and i'm putting a graph on screen here that shows this as you would expect from their
00:16:08.380 technophilia progress studies is broadly in favor of transgenic crops gmos such as golden rice or roundup
00:16:16.300 resistant corn giving their potential to contribute to rapid 20th century progress in agriculture gmos don't
00:16:22.140 get as much attention as they used to but women are 16 points more likely to believe that they are worse
00:16:27.340 for health than men and i have another graph on screen here showing this what do you what do you think
00:16:32.940 i wonder like maybe it's not that these are inherent female views or intuitions but rather that a pervasive
00:16:39.980 culture that is permeated female spaces argues these things and if for example we just replaced like if we
00:16:47.420 bait and switched the cultures out they would just that was my hypothesis but what he's going to go
00:16:53.020 into later in this piece is that the sentiment against technology is one of the few gender gap things
00:17:00.220 that hasn't changed in men and women over time for example women used to be like more anti-abortion
00:17:06.620 than men they used to be more religious than men they used to be more conservative in a lot of areas
00:17:11.900 than men but they were always anti-progress and so that you know who wrote frankenstein bought a woman
00:17:17.500 yeah that's i said so that is it the men who are anti-progress today who are anti not progressives
00:17:24.140 but i mean like just being feminine yes human flourishing right the technophobic men are just
00:17:30.220 living in the longhouse whatever you are to a woman they are to a man yeah yeah yeah
00:17:36.540 in their brain and made them like an 1800s woman you know they're they're more conservative and more
00:17:40.540 against abortion but also terrified of technology now of course they wouldn't say i'm terrified of
00:17:44.940 technology they'd just be like well technology gmos editing human genomes et cetera that's all
00:17:50.380 dangerous and scary and new and it's like we'll be a man like barrel through like that's what we
00:17:54.300 always do right you know you get the victorian man use tool tool fix thing hello
00:18:02.540 i have cancer baby have cancer fix cancer fix cancer yes maybe not use tool fix thing maybe frail
00:18:11.100 anyway progress studies is pro natalist i love he throws that in there you know to get the
00:18:16.060 pro natalist thing right thank you orctotherium on the grounds that the purpose of progress is to
00:18:21.340 benefit people there need to be people to benefit and that more people means more agglomeration
00:18:27.500 effects more economies of scale longer learning curves more opportunities for specialization
00:18:33.020 more competition and more potential innovators once again women are more likely to believe too
00:18:37.260 many children are being born than men 26 to 19 in terms of points difference and are less likely to
00:18:43.100 believe not enough children are being born 14 to 30 oh so again this is something that we see here
00:18:49.660 right like we we listen the prenatal space women are just much more resistant to wanting to save
00:18:54.140 humanity they sort of want like this to be the final generation society to ground to a halt
00:18:59.180 and of course i'm putting a graph on screen here so you can see this and this is where he notes
00:19:02.940 unlike sex differences on issues like abortion and religious attendance these gaps go back as
00:19:07.820 far as can be measured relevant sex differences in personality this is a different piece here all
00:19:13.180 that is solid melts into air all that is holy is profane technological and scientific progress is
00:19:19.580 intrinsically dangerous frightening and destabilizing it also has a potential cornucopia of riches should the
00:19:26.140 risk or reward dominate the greater reproductive variance of men means that men are more likely to accept a
00:19:31.500 high risk high reward course of action one way of looking at this the most reproductively successful
00:19:37.420 man of the second millennium was ginghas khan the most reproductively successful woman was his mother
00:19:43.180 naively we would expect men to be more willing to risk failure for an uncertain future payoff and this is
00:19:49.820 exactly what we see so basically he's saying women are risk averse and the female mind is risk averse which
00:19:54.780 is why they are progress in technology averse thoughts before i go further oh yeah okay that's
00:20:00.780 yeah i mean millions of years of evolution based on the limits of your biology
00:20:07.420 and the risks to which you were subject
00:20:11.500 so per john archer's 2019 meta-analysis of human psychological sex differences some of the
00:20:18.300 relevant personality differences for progress orientation so this is like wanting future to be
00:20:23.420 better agreeableness 0.29 engineering interest 1.11 mechanical reasoning i'm not going to give you the numbers
00:20:29.660 because you don't care risk taking and harm avoidant but there's a reason to believe that
00:20:33.340 personality differences are even bigger because personality is typically assessed via questionnaire
00:20:38.380 this brings with it the obvious problems such as people responding with different reference groups
00:20:43.020 in mind as well as social desirability bias which can deflate results for example when assessed via
00:20:48.220 questionnaire the fearfulness gap between men and women is d 0.41 which is noticeable but not huge
00:20:54.540 but when assessed in the real world the gap is much larger 1.16 to 0.49 self-assessed difference in risk
00:21:01.980 taking might not seem that large but consider that the blank slatists argue that young women's social
00:21:07.260 anxiety over cooking a bad meal is equivalent in risk taking to young men jumping off of cliffs for fun
00:21:13.900 the reference frame for what constitutes a risk is not the same for men and women that is why if you're
00:21:20.220 looking for people who are both interested and able in engineering disagreeable enough to break consensus
00:21:27.020 and willing to take risks for uncertain payoffs you will overwhelmingly find men as a result technology
00:21:32.780 slash market slash future and ideas oriented groups tend to be around 90 male and here i'm going to put
00:21:38.940 some graphs on screen here and the first poll is points allocated to five academic priorities by gender
00:21:45.340 among undergraduate and graduate phd students and here you can see that women are less interested
00:21:51.260 in academic freedom they are less interested in advancing knowledge they are less interested
00:21:55.260 in academic rigor they are more interested in social justice and they are more interested in
00:21:59.420 emotional well-being here you can see points allocated to all five academic priorities by
00:22:04.220 gender among faculty women are less interested in academic freedom they are less interested in
00:22:08.620 advancing knowledge they are less interested in academic rigor they are less they are more interested
00:22:12.380 in social justice and they are more interested in emotional well-being now correlatory part here
00:22:18.560 you getting you getting concerned simone that oh i mean there's a time and a place for those things
00:22:24.040 right like it's good to balance but i don't know man now's not the time and i know here this isn't
00:22:30.340 for the women who watch our show you're basically a different gender because you're all a bunch of
00:22:33.700 little autistas you're autisanal women which is very different from the the category of creature
00:22:40.680 i am talking about you have met these creatures they are terrifying i was i was talking with
00:22:46.380 simone recently like her inability to understand like normie women and i'm just like i'm so glad
00:22:50.760 you don't get it because well also like i'm getting the impression that most of my high school friends
00:22:55.900 were probably on the spectrum well you have a lot of we're just culturally very different yeah like
00:23:02.680 asian first generation it may just be a cultural thing like i just i can't model this because i
00:23:09.400 didn't encounter it it's so hard for me to understand this but that that's why i feel like
00:23:14.280 the cultural argument remains i don't know i don't i can't model i can't imagine my friends
00:23:23.480 from high school for example my first generation agent immigrant friends being like oh gmo foods that's
00:23:32.840 scary like they wouldn't they wouldn't do that you know they wouldn't be afraid of ai they'd be adopted
00:23:38.420 fast right like they were they were the ones who told me how to use new tech so so yeah i mean i
00:23:46.800 don't know i i my new joke about asians by the way is that our great grandchildren are going to see
00:23:53.300 asians the way people in the anime friren see elves where it's like elves and friren if you don't know
00:23:59.160 they are like you know they're not really don't get strong arousal and they don't they're not really
00:24:04.020 interested in relationships or romance so they just breed at incredibly low rates and if you look
00:24:09.020 at our video on is low asian fertility genetic which is really interesting we go into the data on this
00:24:14.140 it may just be that they feel like arousal and romantic feelings at a much lower rate because of
00:24:18.700 high rates of arranged marriages in their cultures and so they our kids will be like oh my gosh you cute
00:24:24.020 little have you have you ever do you really not feel arousal at all are you not desire to
00:24:30.220 go out and mate with people oh my god but anyway female cultural dominance if women are psychologically
00:24:38.300 more predisposed to small c conservatism than men and hence opposed to progress we might expect female
00:24:44.660 cultural dominance to lead to the pattern seen in the text corpuses above does the timing work yes
00:24:50.360 since 1970 women have gone from represent from present but marginal and prestige cultural institutions
00:24:56.120 to approximate parody was men first women authored books crept upwards as a share of total books
00:25:02.540 between 1800s and 1970s before rocketing upwards and are now the majority the publishing industry
00:25:08.460 is itself 74 female and here i'll put in graph on the screen of female authored books where you can
00:25:12.560 see it just explodes after that second academia is intended to be the brain trust of society an
00:25:19.900 association of professionals paid to discover the truth in 2022 women became the majority of college
00:25:25.260 faculty in the united states and you can see if you go back to the 1970s they just were not present in
00:25:29.660 very big numbers data doesn't exist for the key year of 1970s but we can plot the ratio instead and
00:25:34.540 we get the following chart where you can see women just explode as a proportion starting around the
00:25:39.660 1970s this closely matches the picture of college graduation rates note that the x-axis is the cohort birth
00:25:46.900 year in the chart below so here this is college graduation rates and you just see exploding female
00:25:52.600 college graduation rates but this actually and that gap is widening apparently i thought it would slow
00:25:56.840 down eventually it's just getting worse oh no it's getting worse yeah now you see men start to go into
00:26:02.480 college less and less now and more trade school i mean which is great i mean they're ultimately i think
00:26:08.040 more and more having a college degree is a liability so people are better off just yep and now we can look
00:26:16.000 at number of women in congress you can see it was very low before the really 1980s and then it just
00:26:22.480 explodes the same was the number of women in the house so in politics women started getting involved
00:26:28.340 huh yeah so thoughts this is all he's painting a worrying picture i feel like it's an incomplete picture
00:26:40.620 but i can't give a very strong argument as to why aside from i think culture is playing a role
00:26:45.920 despite the fact that i will admit that there are evolutionary reasons why women need to be more
00:26:51.520 conservative and have evolved to be gendered amorphically more conservative right like that
00:26:57.260 makes sense and it would be crazy if women were like the gender known for risk-taking because
00:27:03.180 well this is really interesting about women so when we talk about you know small c
00:27:07.440 conservatives traditionalist conservatives having feminized minds i think that the the this is
00:27:14.080 really messing with some small c conservative males because they get very confused when you actually look
00:27:20.460 at what the two parties are attempting to do right now the party that's like taking big risks and is
00:27:25.020 really interested in long-term human flourishing is the republican party at the moment you know you look at
00:27:30.140 doge you look at their engagement with like science and everything like that and and they're just way more
00:27:34.860 interested in that and the progressive party is become the party as we often say of the urban
00:27:39.320 monoculture but because the urban monoculture is the dominant culture right now if you your core goal
00:27:44.320 is society not changing which is the core goal of the urban monoculture that currently has dominance
00:27:49.020 you are going to fight for small c conservative causes right you're going to fight for things not to
00:27:54.740 change to maintain your existing power hierarchy and so a lot of people who are small c conservatives
00:28:01.720 often take positions which are fundamentally very left-leaning within the current political ecosystem
00:28:08.680 without understanding that's what they're doing because they think big c conservatism or like
00:28:13.780 the right is a small c conservative movement which is just not it is an almost anti-traditionalist
00:28:21.220 movement insofar as it will aggressively take ideas from various points in human history but it's building
00:28:29.160 something new with those ideas even even the traditional religious organizations that are
00:28:34.480 surviving and thriving are doing it through new cultural technologies i mean people think of mormons
00:28:41.840 as like c culturally conservative but they're really not like the entire way that mormons date here
00:28:47.960 now these days with the singles ward this was like invented in the 1970s if you look at like catholics
00:28:54.240 like the tradcast communities that are actually surviving are not actually structured the way
00:29:00.300 catholic communities were in like the 1950s it is a a new way of being a catholic that takes
00:29:09.120 aesthetic inspiration from periods long before the 1950s in in the way that they're structured it's a
00:29:17.000 fundamentally new thing that's built using fundamentally new technology and this is why the small c
00:29:23.680 conservative that's not just focused on we need autonomy to run our own community and do our own
00:29:27.820 thing they'll end up as recently saying if you actually look at our positions on one of our podcasts
00:29:33.340 and i don't mean this in any way as as negative about him but at what's this guy lotus eaters
00:29:40.380 sargon of a cod that we not not his words or not his public reputation but his actual positions
00:29:46.320 outside of abortion we are to the right of him slightly on most issues and yet the public framing of him is
00:29:52.920 that he's like this far right extremist when he's like a pro-gay marriage atheist apparently he goes
00:29:58.580 to church now but and one person was like well you know another area where he's to the right of you is
00:30:03.100 he's for banning pornography and i'm like that is the most left-wing position you could continue it's
00:30:08.880 super left-wing yeah if within the modern political context banning pornography is hand in hand with
00:30:15.720 banning vpns it's expanding the reach of a government nanny state and allying yourself with
00:30:25.280 fat feminists to increase their market value because you lack self-control and you want to help
00:30:32.120 save people who do not have your belief system and lack self-control and people have also said that that
00:30:38.140 he's to the right of us on immigration i don't know where he stands on it
00:30:40.900 i mean what is our broad immigration our stance on immigration is very simple you can have one thing
00:30:48.560 open borders and no social services or social services and extremely closed borders that is our
00:30:55.200 stance on immigration they shouldn't get in the first generation any social services at all and that
00:31:01.100 immigration should be based on the the contribution to the economy which means that you know you should
00:31:07.880 be looking at like how much is this person earning in their home country how how smart are they etc which
00:31:13.880 is donald trump's position this is what he laid out in what podcast was that it's it's not the position
00:31:21.700 that he's actually ended up taking his policy because he's he's been pushed on the all-in podcast he was
00:31:26.700 in favor of of giving views to people with degrees but then that that everyone pointed out after that
00:31:32.400 that like well they did that in canada and it really really backfired so yeah it makes sense
00:31:37.760 why he didn't do that but i don't i i mean that is a very conditional stance on immigration was to the
00:31:44.540 left of us which is give degree give admission to anyone who goes to a u.s university which i'm like
00:31:49.280 that could be too hacked yeah well and it has been hacked egregiously in canada at the very least
00:31:55.160 yeah so yeah i'm like let them pay maybe 10 million dollars per citizenship you know something
00:32:01.480 like that right like at the very least you're not going to get a drain on the economy if somebody's
00:32:04.940 paying 10 million dollars but he did he released that golden visa program oh great is less than 10
00:32:10.240 million cost of golden visa usa the eb-5 immigrant investor program
00:32:19.940 um only only one million fifty thousand it's nothing so the the the the reason i was saying
00:32:30.520 this is is because as the conservative party has begun the big c conservative party the the right
00:32:36.520 the new right i guess is a better way to put it has become less small c conservative a lot of people
00:32:41.620 have sort of lost their home and gotten confused and ended up in their confusion attacking their own
00:32:48.040 side the reason why something like a porn ban is such a terrible idea outside of the rise in child
00:32:53.380 grapes that it causes go to our episode where we we discuss this it's like really big in the data
00:32:57.840 in one country when they dropped it i want to say it was romania the rate dropped of sa on children
00:33:02.120 dropped by like around 50 it was huge and we've seen this everywhere that has been legalized you see
00:33:06.980 this in hong kong like functionally you are condemning children to this fate let them eat porn okay
00:33:12.480 you are giving the government which is really bad you are giving the government the right to define
00:33:20.120 what is porn slash vulgar the ability to make bpns illegal because you fundamentally need to make this
00:33:26.440 illegal to make porn illegal yeah and then they'll define your ideas as vulgar eventually they'll define
00:33:33.040 your this is what we're seeing in the uk like a lot of the negative stuff that we're seeing now in the uk
00:33:38.480 uses porn restrictions as justification for implementing the the restrictions on free speech
00:33:46.620 the moment you go we want to restrict this you have handed bureaucrats the ability to define vulgarity
00:33:52.640 which is why it's so dangerous to do and and you haven't even really helped our side you're only
00:33:58.000 helping people who don't agree with these parts of our beliefs and this doesn't mean like if you
00:34:03.380 from a religious standpoint don't believe in masturbation or consumption like by all means
00:34:09.840 abstain but don't legislate that on other people yeah i mean on this topic the thing i point out is
00:34:16.200 you know countries that have had porn illegal in them for like the past couple decades are countries
00:34:22.260 like korea countries where porn is not illegal which has a terrible fertility rate for its income level
00:34:27.660 where it is legal are countries like israel which has a great fertility rate or the united states which
00:34:32.180 i think great fertility rate yeah i mean yeah the the results the the proof is in the pudding but
00:34:36.720 also like i think from a religious standpoint you you need to have people make the decision on their
00:34:42.580 own and build the discipline on their own you don't get the benefits from a cultural standpoint
00:34:47.300 by forcing it on people and removing their ability to make that a willful choice to not engage in that
00:34:53.640 activity you have like you don't get the reps you don't get the lift if these people aren't choosing
00:34:59.080 of their own volition to not engage in this activity yeah so the point here being is if you
00:35:04.580 go to korea right how many korean men like what percentage of the population do you think actively
00:35:09.900 believe that they shouldn't be consuming porn and then would would if it was legal would make the
00:35:14.660 choice to advocate like very small i'm gonna guess like three or four percent you go to israel
00:35:18.580 and you say like the conservative orthodox jews do they have bans against pornography within their
00:35:24.680 culture absolutely they do right you know you go like in the u.s nofap is a big movement like
00:35:29.840 by all means like don't yeah i go to the christian communities that have these great fertility rates
00:35:36.980 they have restrictions on pornography right within the u.s because that's why we're higher fertility
00:35:41.440 than a lot of the other countries but that but that is in part maintained by the fact that we are
00:35:45.780 forced to make these choices that affirm our identity regularly yeah you know i i was i was talking
00:35:53.640 about this in regards to put together this memo for the mormon church on how they can attempt to
00:35:58.880 increase their fertility rates and anyone here who's like a mormon and you're like oh i'd like to get
00:36:02.840 that and give it to like my elders or whatever to to consider now one of the things i point out is
00:36:07.900 you know when you're putting on your garments that differ you every day this is what people outside
00:36:13.400 of the mormon church are the magic underwear we you you are affirming that you are different from
00:36:18.980 other people and that you're leaning in yeah yeah are expected for you you are othering yourself to
00:36:24.940 yourself and you're making the conscious choice to be different when you remove that if we made
00:36:30.600 garments a legal mandate was in a state you have now lost all of the benefits that garments provide
00:36:37.120 so i think that you mean should some should some state do that if they should do that right um but i think
00:36:44.420 that if a state were to do that it would be drawn by a very feminine impulse this impulse of you know
00:36:51.460 what we need to the sort of pearl clutching like we need to control people impulse right like it's not
00:36:57.240 my responsibility to do these things it's the state responsibility in the same way that it's you know a
00:37:02.240 feminine impulse that drives things like welfare and stuff like this right like people shouldn't be
00:37:06.540 expected to learn to control themselves in regards to you know making an income right so it's the
00:37:13.840 state's responsibility right and it's a feminine impulse that drives you know when you see the
00:37:18.980 small c conservative people do this like we'll we'll restrict drugs right instead of expect people
00:37:26.000 to learn now with drugs there's externalities because it's actually addictive and i think that
00:37:29.680 it's worth talking about drug restrictions but i think that if you're if you're doing this from a
00:37:34.360 well we just force people to act in the way that we want to right in a way that maintains the existing
00:37:40.400 status quo these impulses have been increasingly normalized because of the rise of women within
00:37:48.040 our societies and this has been fascinating for me this this cultural shift that we've seen
00:37:53.440 with the new right and in what sort of defines modern conservatism within sort of youth culture
00:38:00.280 which is very interesting yeah and i mean we see this if you look at like the broad
00:38:06.740 youth culture you see today like if you go back to the foreign thing i think it's an interesting
00:38:11.040 place here if you look at the major online battles you know whether it's tracer butt or gamer gate
00:38:15.620 or like skull girls or ebony whatever it's always the the the conservative faction that is anti-censorship
00:38:23.360 and the anti-conservative faction mostly made up of feminists that is pro more censorship and and why
00:38:30.020 shouldn't they be i mean if so much of politics is actually about mate guarding and increasing their value
00:38:34.860 was in sexual marketplaces that's what you really see happening here is a fight by many women to
00:38:41.500 increase their value on sexual marketplaces and where they can sort of shanghai individual
00:38:47.180 conservative players they will but generally on this subject one place where i feel kind of frustrated is
00:38:55.100 like if this is all women's fault i mean really or did men fall asleep at the wheel and women take it
00:39:01.820 right like i don't think it's women's fault but i will say that i think that the urban monoculture
00:39:07.820 uniquely spreads fast within women and so i think that what we're seeing here i mean if you listen to
00:39:12.460 a lot of our talk we'd say most of societal hills are downstream of the urban monoculture and a lot
00:39:17.500 of the ills that are coming from women having disproportionate positions of power and the expansion of
00:39:22.140 the bureaucratic apparatuses that favor the female mind because women are better at operating within large
00:39:27.180 bureaucracies has been that women are fundamentally more small c conservative which means they're much
00:39:33.100 more likely to kowtow to dominant cultural narratives okay you can't do this because this is vulgar or this
00:39:39.900 is wrong you can't say this you can't talk about this and so women have benefited hugely from like the urban
00:39:48.140 monoculture one more works with the female mind but also works to sort of transform the environment that
00:39:56.860 it's in to make it more conducive with the female mind so that women can better out-competement
00:40:02.780 it's like a symbiotic relationship yeah it sort of terraforms the environment into being an environment
00:40:08.940 where women have disproportionately more power point poisons it to those who are immune or less likely to
00:40:17.100 be infected yeah like it like turns women into like this invasive species that like pump out this miasma
00:40:23.420 that both kills off all the other species in the environment but also you know converts other
00:40:28.380 women into miasma producers yeah yeah yeah because i do think that the one thing that i think is most
00:40:35.420 absent from arctotherium's discussion here is the role that culture plays and the fact that women are
00:40:41.020 just more likely to spread culture and adhere to it because all this like the gmo stuff yeah i don't know
00:40:47.980 i i think that tech and and progress could be framed in ways that to that would appeal to women's
00:40:56.780 risk aversion and desire for safety and consistency tech can maintain stability in times it can it can
00:41:05.420 help it is intrinsically disruptive because the point of technology is to change the way things work
00:41:11.340 you know if i'm a worker yes and no i mean like as we run out of oil nuclear is a really good resource to
00:41:16.860 turn to if we don't want to have to fundamentally change the way that we live and do things right
00:41:21.100 but if think think about what nuclear actually means for the global economy if we did switch to a nuclear
00:41:28.140 run global economy right one of the largest industries today the global oil industry would collapse right or
00:41:36.860 yeah but are women really wringing their hands about that and it's it's about it's about an aesthetic
00:41:41.580 framing of nuclear as risky and dangerous which isn't that is the framing it's nuclear could
00:41:46.940 explode nuclear is different we're all going to get deformed if we use nuclear right but that didn't
00:41:50.940 necessarily need to be the narrative it just happened to be the narrative if the narrative was instead
00:41:56.060 that nuclear is the only safe way for us to keep you know our energy production stable as oil phases out
00:42:03.580 it could have been it could have been something that i think women would have found quite appealing
00:42:09.980 nuclear is cleaner nuclear doesn't get people into yucky coal mines that are so dangerous and
00:42:16.460 and it's in sparkly clean factories and you know i also find it interesting when you talk about
00:42:22.140 nuclear and i was talking to you about this today is how little germany has accomplished recently
00:42:26.300 and just how effed germany is and how much france has despite you know having many of the
00:42:31.980 the downsides germany does um people know i have an anti-france bias i'm very anti-french as i said
00:42:38.140 france would be a great place if it wasn't full of french people but the problem is that france
00:42:43.180 is technologically kind of killing it like one of my favorite ai models is mistral and mistral is built
00:42:48.860 by a french company you know france has developed a lot of good video game studios germany is just like
00:42:53.500 doing nothing in these sorts of spaces and you can look at the difference in nuclear between the two
00:42:58.220 countries with germany banning all of its nuclear reactors and and decommissioning them while france
00:43:03.180 is one of the most nuclear countries in the world in terms of the number of nuclear reactors that they
00:43:07.500 use i think it's like the majority of their grid they basically solved the carbon problem in their
00:43:11.420 country just by going with nuclear and maybe it's because the french mind is more masculine than the
00:43:17.100 german mind and they're more open and this could be a you know a bottleneck effect as i've mentioned
00:43:25.260 germany and france were changed in big ways by who died during the two world wars like what were the
00:43:31.100 personality traits associated with death for each of the countries and and they kind of were pussified
00:43:37.580 by that in a way that that america was not the soldiers ended up having a lot more kids than other
00:43:43.660 people i mean if we want to talk about that like how many how many kids the soldiers have every single one
00:43:49.820 of our male grandparents was at d-day um and the commander at d-day which is interesting it all
00:43:55.900 was in a different one was no mine mine wasn't he was he was flying planes to drop people off behind enemy
00:44:03.260 lines oh to drop off like the paratroopers yeah yeah i remember one of mine was a commander of a
00:44:12.700 boat one of the boats and the other one was a commander of an engineering group all right anyway
00:44:18.620 great to chat with you and have a spectacular day simone did did this change your opinion i i agree
00:44:25.820 with you i don't actually think it's because women i think that there's been i think that women likely
00:44:30.780 played a role in this but i think it's women's the female greater female tendency to converge on what is
00:44:38.940 the socially dominant view combined with the growth of the urban monoculture that sort of
00:44:43.820 worked symbiotically to create these awful times yeah i i see this much more as feminization
00:44:52.060 and much less as women did this i think if we were to actually look at it men played as much of a role
00:44:59.420 in all these feminizing toxic shifts in policy and academia as women did they are equally culpable this
00:45:08.300 isn't about women i mean also males are more feminine now than they were back then they're
00:45:12.860 more 100 yeah because i mean you can see women in positions of power in the past who did extremely
00:45:19.580 masculine things i i don't i mean and i i'm not going to deny that there are averages that make women
00:45:25.420 more conservative but yeah i think it's an interesting take there are things about this that i agree with but
00:45:32.940 not not entirely but i but i i actually think the feminization of the male mind is a a large part
00:45:39.820 of this and the normalization of that feminization in men not realizing when they say things that are
00:45:45.100 fundamentally feminine yeah they think that this is a normal thing for a man to think when you know
00:45:50.060 you go back historically to sort of the explorer mindset that's this very masculine mindset that gets
00:45:55.980 demonized within within males more and more yeah and the risky inventions and trying your tech and all
00:46:01.900 that yeah i i my favorite takeaway from this is is you're pointing out just how feminine many of
00:46:08.700 these these male cultural commentators reactions are when they're like mer tech bad genetic
00:46:15.500 modification but the great thing is is we can probably fix all this with genetic modification
00:46:19.100 and i know our family will i mean within a generation once we can get the the germline gene
00:46:23.420 editing stuff up and operational i would almost certainly recommend our kids that they edit
00:46:28.380 uh dot their their daughter's brains to be more masculine because i i think it's it's too risky
00:46:33.900 to have a feminine female brained people being a large part of your look you're not a female brained
00:46:40.380 person simone you know that yeah our followers know that well there are other ways you can do that
00:46:45.820 even after someone's born you don't have to genetically modify someone to
00:46:48.940 be more feminine anyway i love you very much or we could just take out these specific dangerous
00:46:56.940 things like fear of progress anyway love you have a spectacular day you too
00:47:04.300 well tomorrow we have our base camp monthly member vip members meet up i'm so excited for it
00:47:10.380 so you were saying that they were like james lindsey is a grifter or something in the comments yeah i i
00:47:16.700 honestly like if i had to look at well ask ai like what he's all about because i i mean you and i
00:47:23.420 people were like you're giving way too much airspace to james lindsey but specifically when we when we
00:47:28.380 plot or when we talk about someone's writing it's not because we consider them to be important it's
00:47:33.660 because we see that that particular piece of writing or media is getting a lot of attention and
00:47:39.020 it's setting the tone for something for a concept so we don't care if it was written by nick fuentes or
00:47:45.660 like some you know taylor lorenz or whoever like it doesn't matter what matters is if a lot of
00:47:51.740 people are talking about it if it's in the zeitgeist if it has influence because that means that
00:47:57.260 it it's worth discussing so sometimes the ideas are interesting there are many people though whose
00:48:03.340 work we talk about we have no idea what they are we have no idea what their other work is all about
00:48:08.540 people like assume that like if we talk about jordan peterson that we're familiar with all the years of
00:48:14.540 his work instead of just like i've read one of his books and we've consumed somebody's like oh you
00:48:20.380 you read x thing from y person that must mean that you're a racist because they said a racist thing this
00:48:25.980 one time in a different work and it's like what are you talking about yeah we we are not we don't sit
00:48:32.940 around reading but yeah so i i just didn't expect i didn't one i don't i don't i didn't know anything
00:48:40.140 about james lindsey until i looked him up the thing that made him famous was he was that person who
00:48:45.260 did that really funny social experiment where he sent unhinged academic article concepts or something
00:48:52.860 to journals that were like okay yeah i mean they were super woke sounding um yeah and so he's actually
00:48:58.860 quite fun when he did that when he like yeah that was so like that for right-wing journals as well where
00:49:03.900 he took the communist manifesto and he changed it to right-wing words that's so funny but the
00:49:09.260 funny thing is and i was actually going to read that in the episode is the article when he went
00:49:14.380 which i love it's so different from the progressive ones so he goes to whatever conservative journal it
00:49:19.100 was who published this and he's like ha ha ha i told you and they're like we're not taking it down
00:49:23.820 we actually like this like this is pretty well written like they're like they nobody nobody
00:49:28.940 criticizes marx for being a bad writer you know if you change his point to our points of course we're
00:49:36.140 going to agree with it which is so based and so the opposite of how you know we've talked about how
00:49:41.180 the lefties like they always want you to apologize and retreat and they're just like no when you write
00:49:45.980 our thoughts in marx's language you don't make them not true yeah we we liked it because we liked it not
00:49:51.420 because we disagreed that's crazy well anyway i love that i love that we're trying to to skirt the
00:50:01.020 center here no but he's he's if you actually read his stuff or or watch him on twitter he's actually a
00:50:05.820 little like actually crazy in terms of some of his conspiracy theories when you dig deeper on it oh just
00:50:11.740 untrue things that he believes unfounded things that he believes like thinking that like cults like
00:50:18.620 controls society and if only honestly i think like the scarier truth is that no one's at the wheel
00:50:26.460 people like yeah no there were these like satanic cults in like the 1930s or something we should be
00:50:33.580 so lucky it's it's a it's a he draws a bunch of connections which are well founded in and of
00:50:40.460 themselves but then he builds it into this conspiracy world framework which can seem a little off the wall
00:50:48.460 and i think is and i think when people see him as a grifter they're sort of missing the point i just
00:50:53.820 don't think he's sort of like he's so conspiracy brained he's not entirely all there he's not
00:51:01.260 connected to the world with a firm tether in the way that like you or i are he's like wherever like
00:51:07.820 rubyard is relationship to us he's like a hundred times further in that direction wow okay well like like
00:51:15.180 like the the the temperature on an ai just like turn all the way i don't know if it's up or down
00:51:21.340 to make it crazy well when i looked him up i was like well what's his career background and and beat
00:51:26.300 and ai told me that his original thing was opening like a combined martial arts and massage studio so
00:51:33.100 that checks out that checks out yeah yeah all right i'll get started on this okay going
00:51:47.100 titan where are you going