Based Camp - The Deep State's Attempt to Dismantle the Pronatalist Movement (A Spy Went After Us And We Can Prove It)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! We recently did an episode on an undercover reporter who was investigating us for at least a year.

00:00:07.420 Now, it appears we were wrong.

00:00:10.680 And that this, who we thought was an undercover reporter, might have actually been a spy working for the British government.

00:00:18.720 People have collected tons of evidence that suggests this already,

00:00:22.540 but we basically collected the quote-unquote final piece of evidence.

00:00:26.100 Then the other people who have been collecting evidence on this organization for a long time reviewed.

00:00:30.940 And it's like, this basically seals the case.

00:00:33.400 That this is an organization used by British intelligence to try to put out a parallel narrative.

00:00:40.100 And so we did something that pissed off the deep state bad.

00:00:46.260 What's it thinking, Colonel?

00:00:52.620 It's afraid.

00:00:53.580 It's afraid!

00:01:00.000 But it gets worse than that, because what we're going to explore here is how the deep state was captured by the mind virus

00:01:10.760 so much that taxpayer dollars could be used through authoritative, fascist-like, you know, government systems

00:01:19.720 to track down everyday citizens fighting for citizens' freedoms,

00:01:24.740 fighting for humanity to continue to exist,

00:01:27.900 and attempt to F up their lives.

00:01:30.400 Yeah, because a lot of the people that hope not hate have doxed.

00:01:34.420 Their biggest crime seems to just be not towing the narrative.

00:01:38.360 Now, I wouldn't say that I, I, we, I, neither of us would endorse the views of everyone that hope not hate

00:01:44.340 as an organization has outed or criticized.

00:01:47.680 However, it does seem like a lot of the people they've outed are,

00:01:51.600 their crime is not towing a leftist narrative.

00:01:54.500 Yeah, so we will, well, other people have noticed this as well.

00:01:57.980 They claim to be a group that's against anti-Semitism,

00:02:00.540 and yet they have done nothing on the left right now with the huge amounts of anti-Semitism

00:02:05.760 that we are seeing on the streets of London and from the mouths of MPs,

00:02:10.900 and yet they do nothing.

00:02:12.560 So, you know, it's, it's, it's once anti-Semitism was normalized on the left,

00:02:16.360 we're like, oh, we're going to throw that out.

00:02:17.680 That's not really one of those things we're fighting anymore.

00:02:20.400 I wanted to say in the, in the, in the words of one of our commenters on this,

00:02:25.400 and I thought that they described this organization very well,

00:02:28.460 and this is somebody from the UK who's had some experience with the organization.

00:02:32.100 Hope not hate appears to be viscerally hostile to anything or anybody that represents

00:02:37.080 genuine human interaction, humor, and popular democratic pushback to the ruling oligarchy.

00:02:42.260 They're probably funded, I'm guessing here, by global corporations and institutions.

00:02:48.500 It's not, by the way, it's the UK government.

00:02:50.500 They say they're not, but we have receipts proving they are,

00:02:53.340 who dislike agency of citizens and genuine popular democracy because it gets in their way.

00:02:58.480 It seems like their funder's aim is to maintain the status quo in which all mainstream political

00:03:03.680 parties are captured, controlled, and flat out refuse to represent ordinary voters.

00:03:08.440 Incidentally, the idiot hope not hate radical activists probably think you two are monsters,

00:03:14.100 but their shadowy and cynical funders won't believe their propaganda.

00:03:19.440 Vote Simone.

00:03:20.240 So basically, the article they hope not hate is not that bad.

00:03:23.900 I actually don't have any beef with them as human beings.

00:03:28.300 I think that the guy was probably-

00:03:30.240 The guy we met with seemed like a nice person.

00:03:32.960 He's probably a well-meaning guy who just got wrapped up in this ideology and doesn't realize

00:03:38.220 that he's fighting for the fascists and the oligarchs now.

00:03:41.720 Yeah, I think that's how it is with many people on the left, is they're pro-social,

00:03:45.620 well-meaning people.

00:03:46.440 Many of them want the best for humanity, want human flourishing.

00:03:49.720 This undercover reporter still came across as a nice, intelligent guy with thoughtful comments

00:03:56.180 that was, you know, he came across as a little racist, which made us somewhat uncomfortable.

00:04:00.880 But what it does appear is there is concrete evidence that this is an arm of the deep state.

00:04:07.100 The deep state is scared of our growing movement, the new right, the pro-natalists.

00:04:11.380 And then if Trump wins, hopefully we can begin to dismantle the deep state.

00:04:16.840 Will the brain bug reveal?

00:04:19.380 Federal scientists are working around the clock to probe its secrets.

00:04:24.160 Once we understand the bug, we will defeat it.

00:04:30.880 I want to emphasize here, though, how meaningful this is, because I think we used to joke about

00:04:38.360 the deep state possibly going after people for having the wrong narrative or for not supporting

00:04:43.920 them.

00:04:44.900 But I never really believed that could possibly be true.

00:04:47.820 It seems that now there's some evidence that this actually is happening.

00:04:51.720 There's overwhelming evidence, but that's actually not the evidence we're going to go into

00:04:54.960 a ton today, because there's actually more evidence about this than we're going to go

00:04:59.240 into here.

00:04:59.540 But let's just start with a write-up.

00:05:01.580 So this is from Raw Egg Nationalist, where he's going through his own research on this,

00:05:05.420 because he was one of the people who was doxxed by Hope Not Hate.

00:05:08.320 And I'm going to be heavily summarizing this.

00:05:11.520 I spoke to a number of people who said there must be an intelligence connection at work.

00:05:15.340 This included people with backgrounds in the military and intelligence themselves.

00:05:18.660 When I told them what happened at the farm shop, they were convinced.

00:05:21.420 No way that was a coincidence.

00:05:24.040 Quote-unquote, somebody, meaning intelligence, must have been, quote-unquote, shopping around

00:05:28.460 information about me, perhaps even just my name, in the weeks before I was doxxed.

00:05:33.040 If that was the case, Catherine Long probably already knew who I was when she emailed the

00:05:37.460 farm shop.

00:05:38.160 She was trying to get a confirmation, a non-intelligent source, for a parallel construction.

00:05:43.300 So essentially, the organization that doxxed him did through by asking stores that he regularly

00:05:48.940 shopped at, which implies that they probably already knew who he was, and they needed a

00:05:54.980 way to show that they knew who he was that wasn't a very obvious intelligence informant.

00:06:01.240 Or, I should say, information obtained through illegal matters.

00:06:06.960 So Raw Egg Nationalist points out that-

00:06:10.400 This wouldn't be illegal, obviously, in his case.

00:06:12.700 But we found proof that it is illegal, and that's what we'll get into later in this.

00:06:17.520 That's the new evidence we found.

00:06:19.020 It's that they are using mechanisms that are only not illegal if they are working directly

00:06:24.320 as spies for the British government.

00:06:26.440 So either somebody at Hope Not Hate is getting arrested, or they work directly for the British

00:06:32.200 government.

00:06:32.580 And given that I think Hope Not Hate is not idiotic, I mean, they seem to be pretty organized,

00:06:37.280 pretty careful.

00:06:38.380 And it would be insane for them to send incriminating information to us, people that they knew would

00:06:44.140 be canceled by them and might have a bone to pick with them.

00:06:48.680 It just seems implausible to me that you would do that.

00:06:51.560 Yeah.

00:06:51.860 Yeah.

00:06:52.480 I looked a little deeper into Catherine Long, by which I mean I went on her LinkedIn profile.

00:06:57.720 Ivy League grad, check.

00:06:59.340 Seven-month internship in the State Department, check.

00:07:02.220 USAID posting in Tajikistan, check.

00:07:04.920 Check, a specialist in Central Asian languages, fluent in Farsi and Tajik, check.

00:07:09.940 Oh yeah, she's obviously a spy.

00:07:11.360 Sorry.

00:07:12.140 For people who don't know, spy is heavily recruited to people fluent in those languages for intercepting

00:07:17.720 terrorist networks and communications.

00:07:19.580 So that's all the things you would have been looking for in spy recruitment.

00:07:23.320 I got no further with her than that, but it was enough to convince me that she is, at

00:07:27.680 the very least, a suitable candidate for an intelligence contact in media.

00:07:30.820 Put it another way, she glows.

00:07:32.160 My friends agree, it's been known for decades that Western intelligence services, including

00:07:36.720 the CIA, have intimate links to newspapers, magazines, and the media, planting stories

00:07:41.060 and guiding public opinion, and this continues to present day, despite high-profile disavowals

00:07:46.140 like the Church Commission report published in 1976.

00:07:49.060 So for people who don't know, we do now know that there was a period in American history,

00:07:53.880 recent American history, where a lot of quote-unquote conspiracy theorists said,

00:07:57.220 there's CIA-funded individuals at every major newspaper, and now we know that during that

00:08:02.140 period that was true.

00:08:03.020 The CIA had a program where they would fund people working at major newspapers to put out

00:08:06.260 their particular narrative, which at the time was a fascist right-leaning narrative,

00:08:09.900 and now it's a fascist left-leaning narrative.

00:08:11.860 Because, well, the leftists have, back then, like the, I guess you could say like broader

00:08:16.600 Judeo-Christian moral systems, which is what the right was at that time, had more dominance

00:08:22.000 within mainstream society, so they aligned with that.

00:08:24.260 And right now the urban monoculture, which is the leftist, has more dominance in modern

00:08:27.680 society, and so they align with fascistly imposing that and, well, literally jailing

00:08:32.780 anyone who disagrees with it and gains too many followers.

00:08:35.720 It's scary.

00:08:37.960 Then there's Hope Not Hate.

00:08:39.580 Again, a little digging goes a long way.

00:08:41.660 The group is ostensibly a charity and therefore a non-governmental organization, but its links

00:08:45.640 to the British government are no secret.

00:08:47.640 Hope Not Hate receives significant amounts of money from the public purse.

00:08:51.160 From 2019 to 2020, for example, the Hope Not Hate Charitable Trust received $141,000 of

00:08:58.620 British taxpayer money.

00:08:59.940 The Home Office's counter-extremism unit has paid tens of thousands of pounds to Hope Not

00:09:04.540 Hate in recent years.

00:09:05.720 And in return, the Home Office and other government departments have received detailed briefings

00:09:10.040 on quote-unquote extremism, particularly in the digital sphere.

00:09:13.080 In the trustees report for 2019, it states, in that year, Hope Not Hate, quote, briefed

00:09:18.580 multiple departments in the Home Office on emerging trends in UK hate, as well as briefing

00:09:24.800 the Home Affairs Committee and presented a key note at a Home Office conference on online

00:09:31.980 hate in Derby.

00:09:33.020 Okay, this really, this explains a lot to me because when I looked at their Wikipedia page,

00:09:36.660 it clearly states that they don't receive donations from the government because they

00:09:41.580 are a, a nonprofit organization and they can't do that.

00:09:45.460 But if they're making program revenue from the government, that's different.

00:09:49.580 So I guess that's how this works.

00:09:51.300 Yes.

00:09:51.540 And I would like one of our followers to edit their Wikipedia page to make this clear to

00:09:55.600 say they, they don't get money from government, but there is, it's in their own tax filings that

00:09:59.720 they do.

00:10:00.380 They're not receiving donations, but they are getting paid for their services by.

00:10:05.700 A lot, they're getting paid a lot.

00:10:07.660 And I'm going to put like receipts on the screen here right now.

00:10:10.680 So you can see just how much money is going to them for these sorts of activities and who

00:10:15.620 is paying it, which is the anti-extremism office.

00:10:18.620 And a great report on this was done by Charlotte Gill.

00:10:21.960 And I'll put her, her tweet on this here.

00:10:24.440 But what's really horrifying about this is that this was done, like money was being funneled

00:10:32.620 by the counter-extremism organization in the UK in the same year that, and I will quote

00:10:39.080 her tweet here, Karaya Sadal is a Libyan asylum seeker who served a 17-month sentence for

00:10:46.320 Afarian assault, reduced on appeal for beating an emergency worker, was reported to prevent

00:10:52.400 four times, told prison staff he was part of the Islamic State and wanted to quote unquote

00:10:57.660 blow up Britain, was the subject of quote dozens of intelligence reports, which showed a pattern

00:11:02.920 of fighting, threats to staff, self-harming, and suspected drug use, along with references

00:11:08.060 to extremism, end quote.

00:11:09.840 But the authorities didn't report him because the Libyan was deemed quote unquote unsafe.

00:11:14.560 So three men were murdered instead two weeks after his release from prison.

00:11:19.460 The extremism office did nothing about this.

00:11:22.220 And when we talk about the urban monoculture, who were these three men?

00:11:25.280 They were three gay men.

00:11:26.700 Do you know what Stonewall had to say about this?

00:11:28.260 Just so you understand.

00:11:29.680 If you're like, well, I'm gay, so I need the urban monoculture to protect me, they don't

00:11:33.940 give up about you.

00:11:36.600 The only people who will still protect you are the conservatives.

00:11:39.740 And that is it.

00:11:40.540 And that is why gay men are en masse, as we've said by various polls, it's either 45% or 33%

00:11:45.620 of gay men in the US voted for Trump by the last election cycle.

00:11:48.040 More will this election cycle.

00:11:49.720 It's going to be a solidly red voting bloc in the near future.

00:11:52.080 Wow.

00:11:52.400 Very obvious, because this is what the left will do.

00:11:55.580 Organizations like Stonewall said, our thoughts are with those affected by the attack in reading

00:12:00.540 on Saturday.

00:12:01.460 It's heartbreaking to hear two of the victims were LGBT, but we can't let Islamophobic,

00:12:07.160 racist, and xenophobic rhetoric be used to divide us.

00:12:10.040 We must stand together to make progress.

00:12:12.260 Meanwhile, you know, one man, gay man, responded here, while charities such as Stonewall told

00:12:17.640 us we must not be, quote unquote, Islamophobic while their bodies are still warm.

00:12:21.980 It's all too incredibly awkward if a Muslim murders three gay men.

00:12:26.900 A, let's move along now.

00:12:28.600 Nothing to see.

00:12:29.600 Stonewall couldn't even say gay men.

00:12:31.780 They had to say LGBT.

00:12:33.820 Oh, Lord.

00:12:35.080 That is, it is horrifying how much they are being thrown under the bus.

00:12:40.280 That is some major flinging there.

00:12:42.320 Now, remember, they're supposed to be reducing extremism in the UK.

00:12:47.780 They are briefing UK organizations on who the extremist groups are, probably briefing

00:12:52.900 them that we're an extremist group now, right?

00:12:55.080 Oh, those pro-natalists.

00:12:56.920 You want to know what their founders will do and people who work with them?

00:13:00.680 So a researcher at Hope Not Hate, an anti-extremist left-wing pressure group, has been accused

00:13:05.780 of pushing far-left extremism after a video emerged of him endorsing the Communist Red

00:13:10.360 Army, but Matthew Collins, the head of the intelligence group, so this is the head of

00:13:14.860 the intelligence group for them, stood behind a Soviet flag at an event in London in 2013

00:13:19.240 and said, quote, comrades, brothers, and sisters, hopenothate.co.uk, you are our Red

00:13:25.580 Army, end quote.

00:13:27.760 Janusz Kowalic, a member of the Polish parliament and former government minister, told GB News,

00:13:33.400 quote, praising the Red Army is the most left-wing extremist thing to do, especially after

00:13:39.400 knowing what tortures they did to the peoples of the Siberian gulags to Poles in Kayat, killing

00:13:45.560 22,000 of Polish officers and during the Stalist anti-Semitic purges, end quote.

00:13:52.320 And all of this is obviously true.

00:13:53.880 And here I note, you know, talk about them being commies, them making fun of us for being

00:13:58.820 pro-natalists and saying, look at how fascist this is, the Nazis were pro-natalists, when

00:14:03.140 not mentioning that the Soviets, the Red Army was more pro-natalists than the Nazis ever

00:14:07.500 were, right?

00:14:08.700 You know, but they're just straight up.

00:14:10.340 And we denounce both of these groups, the Nazis, the Soviets, both equally evil, both

00:14:16.840 massively anti-Semitic, both killed millions of people, millions of innocent people.

00:14:21.300 And people who identify with either of these organizations, whether they be modern neo-Nazis

00:14:27.460 or modern communists, should be viewed in the same light as supporting true evil and as

00:14:34.520 active activists against the democratic free countries of the world, like the UK or the

00:14:42.620 United States.

00:14:43.340 So they are literally being coached by an extremist organization.

00:14:47.640 Good Lord.

00:14:48.540 Didn't fire this guy, by the way.

00:14:50.040 Oh, okay.

00:14:52.540 Wow.

00:14:53.540 I mean, the one thing, I have one positive note about them so far, which is that they

00:14:57.160 follow our philosophy with nonprofits, which is that you should be making the majority of

00:15:02.080 your money over time.

00:15:03.060 And in fact, most of your income from the work you do.

00:15:06.640 And they're making money from selling to the US government, not donations.

00:15:10.160 And I appreciate it.

00:15:11.920 Simone, it is functionally a donation.

00:15:13.880 It's just done in a way that makes it legal.

00:15:15.560 They're basically just stealing from taxpayers.

00:15:17.300 Like it's, and it gets worse.

00:15:19.820 Hold on.

00:15:21.020 It gets worse.

00:15:22.860 How can this get worse?

00:15:24.140 So we haven't even gotten to the spy stuff yet or anything like that.

00:15:27.400 But research from Taxpayers Alliance has revealed that organizations that lobby for changes in

00:15:33.860 public policies within the UK have received around $50,000 in public money since 2018, including

00:15:39.740 19 million during the COVID pandemic.

00:15:42.380 Oh, no way.

00:15:42.880 Not 49.

00:15:44.000 Sorry.

00:15:45.040 I said 50,000.

00:15:46.260 What I meant was 50 million, 50 million in public, 50 million pounds, by the way, 19 million

00:15:53.720 during the COVID pandemic, and nearly 7.7 million was given to organizations actively fighting

00:15:58.680 against the government scheme to resettle migrants in Rwanda.

00:16:02.220 So the government, the conservative government was trying to do something to help the people

00:16:05.800 of Britain and the immigrants who had come to their country, fleeing dangerous countries,

00:16:09.840 get them back to save countries like this guy from Libya.

00:16:12.140 And they were like, oh, it's too dangerous to send them back.

00:16:13.540 They're like, we'll send them to Rwanda.

00:16:14.620 No, taxpayer money was being used to fight this in the public mind, including organizations

00:16:20.780 that were doing this, that were getting government money, Migrant Help, Stonewall, Refugee Action,

00:16:26.100 Hope Not Hate, and InstaLaw.

00:16:27.920 InstaLaw recently issued judicial review proceedings challenging the legality of the immigration deal,

00:16:33.040 while the other organizations signed an open letter criticizing it.

00:16:36.040 The Department of Health and Social Care gave the most of any white wall department over $30 million

00:16:41.820 to five organizations with the Department for Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport gave to influential

00:16:50.340 campaign groups, including Age UK, Gender Intelligence, Migrants Organize, and Stonewall.

00:16:56.780 And these are groups that just support progressive politicians running for office.

00:17:03.840 That's one of the key things they do.

00:17:05.680 And here's an article I'm going to put on screen here.

00:17:07.640 A new labor MP is also the director of hope, not hate.

00:17:10.760 So literally the people in office are deciding where this money is going.

00:17:14.260 Wow.

00:17:14.560 An organization that regularly campaigns against conservative elected candidates,

00:17:17.720 and is partially funded by the taxpayer, and literally doesn't serve its message.

00:17:22.440 Like, the first time they go after one of these anti-Semites on the left, I will rescind all of this.

00:17:26.780 But let's see them, even for a second, infiltrate.

00:17:30.340 They don't even need to infiltrate these lefty groups, because they're in them.

00:17:33.020 They're going to their parties.

00:17:33.960 They know they're all rabid anti-Semites, as anyone who has gone to any of their events knows.

00:17:39.580 Hold on, it continues to get worse.

00:17:41.020 So, since Ghirato revealed hope, not hate, close labor links, including campaigning specifically against Susan Hall during the mayoral election,

00:17:48.680 it has embedded itself further into the government.

00:17:51.640 Two of the six trustees of its charitable foundation have now made their way into parliament as labor MPs.

00:17:58.760 Two of the trustees have made their way into parliament.

00:18:01.460 But it doesn't end there.

00:18:02.300 Government whip Anne Tooley is both a director and member of its board of trustees, covering all bases.

00:18:07.280 Labor MP Sarah Owen is a vice chairman of the group's parliamentary group.

00:18:12.460 Oh, wow.

00:18:13.340 Made up of only labor MPs, by the way.

00:18:15.560 No conservatives on this.

00:18:17.340 Another of the campaign organization's directors also happens to be a prominent labor MP and TUC communications director, Antinia Brantz.

00:18:25.640 Chairman of the trustee of the board is newly elected labor MP Gerdin-Singer-Josen.

00:18:31.620 And, by the way, I'm reading from order.order.com.

00:18:37.300 More here.

00:18:38.400 The new hope, not hate, lead organizer admits that he is also a labor campaigner and is pushing to get a, quote,

00:18:45.120 good solid majority, end quote, for labor candidate Paul Waugh in Rod and Child via the hope, not hate campaign.

00:18:51.620 The organizer says that the group is targeting anyone likely to vote against George Galloway to convince him to vote for anyone else.

00:18:58.780 We're just trying to get anyone who's not likely to vote for Galloway.

00:19:01.360 The charity, which received taxpayer funds previously getting cash from taxpayer-supported Paul Himmelin Foundation, PHF, and City Hall, has deep, wide links to the Labor Party.

00:19:13.900 And then here, hope, not hate's ground campaign also goes into some detail about the MRP polling, which they bought for the constituency, which allows them to accurately target voters who can mobilize.

00:19:27.480 They say it's, quote, not very cheap, end quote, the last time Guaido checked.

00:19:32.660 MRP constituency polling cost around £20,000.

00:19:36.460 Even if they got a discount, it's unlikely they dragged the cost below the £700 spending limit, in which case hope, not hate, would be falling foul of clear electoral commission rules.

00:19:47.700 So they're just blatantly breaking the law, this has been found out, this has been made public, and no one is doing anything about this, or nothing has gone through.

00:19:57.520 This would make sense if they are actually partially an arm of the British intelligence agency.

00:20:04.080 Which we'll get to more evidence that this is the case in just a second.

00:20:07.520 And I should say an ideologically captured arm attempting to bring down the British state.

00:20:11.960 They are, well, not really bring it down, but support the oligarchical network that is antithetical to British and American democracy.

00:20:20.140 They are very much what the Kingsmen are.

00:20:22.380 In every Kingsmen movie, I always say, you know, they're always fighting against somebody who has some, like, radical idea about how the world might be improved to try to maintain the status quo.

00:20:32.460 The status quo, good.

00:20:34.240 I, for example, actually agree with one of the villains of the second one, the President of the United States.

00:20:40.100 Wait, what was the President of the United States doing in the second one?

00:20:43.580 So there was a drug to kill anyone who took it.

00:20:47.020 Right, right.

00:20:48.360 And he wanted to just let them die so that he could finally end the drug problem in the United States.

00:20:54.020 And it happened.

00:20:55.640 I love the way that they signaled that he was actually evil.

00:20:59.920 Because at first, it was like, only drug addicts are dying from this.

00:21:02.480 And then you learned, oh, no, one of his staffers was also a cocaine addict because she wanted to keep up with her workload.

00:21:09.480 And when a white middle class woman is on the list, you know that it could affect you, urban monoculture.

00:21:18.780 So you're not supposed to be a bad guy.

00:21:19.700 But there was even a princess on the list.

00:21:22.180 Remember his girlfriend?

00:21:24.460 So God forbid.

00:21:26.120 Yeah.

00:21:26.720 But his girlfriend was a junkie.

00:21:27.940 Like, I think if society had that, like, everybody who did drugs just, like, died one day, going forwards, more lives would be saved and more general suffering would be saved.

00:21:39.320 I think you don't realize how pervasive drug use is.

00:21:42.180 Well, no, no, we as a society, and keep in mind, it didn't affect people who were taking, like, nootropics or, like, other drugs meant to, like, control their daily behavior.

00:21:55.440 This was, like, people on cocaine or other types of recreational drugs.

00:21:59.480 Yeah, it was, no, it was just one specific drug that they were, that that woman's company was marketing and distributing.

00:22:04.620 So it was just one drug.

00:22:05.720 Like a party drug, I think.

00:22:06.980 Yeah, like a party drug.

00:22:08.480 It was not a drug that anyone really had a good excuse to be using for productivity improvement or anything like that.

00:22:15.380 But what I mean is you wouldn't just have a disruption of the existing global drug supply network.

00:22:21.540 You would also have nobody doing drugs in the future because everyone would have, like, bigger than COVID would have grown up through this period where it's like, oh, this is why we actually have to take drugs super seriously.

00:22:33.740 And I think if you go to our video on the drug crisis that we're going through right now, I can't even name it because it got the video demonetized, that you will learn just how bad things are and just the level of suffering that something big needs to be done about this.

00:22:50.980 All right.

00:22:51.680 So to continue, now we're going to go into the actual spy stuff.

00:22:56.460 The links appear to go far beyond government funding for dull PowerPoint presentations at dull conferences.

00:23:04.160 Jason Genza Georgigi has alleged hope, not hate, is a direct front for British intelligence.

00:23:11.000 At home and abroad, i.e. for M15 and M16 in 2017, Georgigi was caught in an undercover sting in a New York bar by a Swedish Antifa activist working for hope, not hate.

00:23:22.600 Georgigi lost his teaching job at the New Jersey Institute of Technology and subsequently sued the university.

00:23:28.060 He maintains that the sting was on behalf of British intelligence after he left the alt-right corporation in the immediate fallout of Charlottesville.

00:23:37.480 This is where things start to get murky and a bit confusing.

00:23:41.000 You can listen to Georgigi explain his allegations at length in this video.

00:23:45.060 And I guess I'll put a picture of it on screen so you can Google it.

00:23:47.700 But there's other evidence that points in the same direction.

00:23:50.960 First of all, hope, not hate is an offshoot of Searchlight and a quote-unquote anti-fascist organization.

00:23:56.000 I love, you know, you should watch our Antifa video.

00:23:58.000 All these organizations are just very clearly fascist organizations now.

00:24:01.440 Antifa literally calls, it's like people who go disrupt protests, black shirts, which is also what the original fascist Moushtilalini called the there people who went and disrupted protests.

00:24:11.300 Their goals are exactly the same as fascists.

00:24:13.220 Watch our, because people, when they're like, modern Democrats aren't fascists, they're kind of different.

00:24:17.240 Watch our modern Democrats are fascists video.

00:24:19.000 Seriously, seriously, seriously watch it if you haven't watched it yet.

00:24:21.880 They are not like fascists.

00:24:23.320 They are literally a mirror of fascist ideology at the height of fascism.

00:24:27.600 It has just been occluded to you what that ideology actually was.

00:24:31.260 And they've changed which race is at the top.

00:24:33.660 That's it.

00:24:34.760 Which race is at the bottom is still the same.

00:24:36.600 I'll tell you that much.

00:24:37.740 The Jews are not friends to these groups.

00:24:41.020 Let's continue here.

00:24:42.080 So from the left wing of its ties to the government and intelligence services, including British and French intelligence, but here also they say they had some Assad intelligence working with searchlights.

00:24:53.360 So this is one place where the Jews accidentally helped these people before realizing that they were going to turn against them and start calling for their extinction.

00:24:59.180 As we see people regularly marching through the streets of London do today.

00:25:03.240 We've seen this, right?

00:25:04.020 You and I have seen this.

00:25:05.500 Actually doing the, what is it, river to the sea chant in the streets of London.

00:25:10.880 So, whew.

00:25:12.400 That was insane.

00:25:13.540 That was weird.

00:25:14.500 As Ruth Seas, former Labour MP and now a life here in the House of Lords, served as Deputy Director of Hope Not Hate from 2011 to 2015.

00:25:24.640 WikiLeaks revealed in 2009, while still a prospective parliamentary candidate, she was described in a confidential American cable as, which was strictly protected, by the way, as, quote, code for a protected intelligent asset.

00:25:37.880 Hmm.

00:25:39.520 Okay.

00:25:40.060 So they're dealing with communications associated with hope, not hate, in a way that they would deal with intelligence conversations.

00:25:49.020 Well, people who are running the organization as, as, as coded as intelligent assets.

00:25:54.400 Okay.

00:25:55.980 So, I mean, obviously she was an intelligence asset.

00:25:58.660 That's, that seems pretty clear to me.

00:25:59.960 You wouldn't use that code otherwise.

00:26:02.860 Strictly protect means that the individual is an intelligence asset.

00:26:06.000 Um, and running this organization.

00:26:09.960 What's funny about this possibility, Hope Not Hate, as a direct organ of the British government, is that the group is full of people who are committed to the violent overthrow of capitalism, and would therefore count as, quote, unquote, extremists, by Hope Not Hate's own definition, and that of the British intelligence services and government.

00:26:25.720 Details.

00:26:26.420 In 2000, Hope Not Hate's own, quote, head of intelligence, end quote, Matthew Collins, was caught on film.

00:26:31.400 And this is the thing about the Red Army that I mentioned earlier.

00:26:33.800 In the most recent State of Hate report, it targeted Jacob Rees-Mogg, John Redwood, Ian Duncan Smith, Danny Kruger, and Muram Kratz, all conservative MPs, and suggested that they were, quote, unquote, radicalizing the conservative government through their, quote, unquote, opposition to woke politics, end quote.

00:26:51.600 Okay, wow, that, that feels extra egregious.

00:26:54.660 I mean, I know you've just listed off a ton of egregious things, but the fact that there are labor MPs directly associated with this organization, but that this organization is in turn attacking the reputation of conservative MPs, and they're receiving money from the government.

00:27:11.400 This is just, like, for being in opposition to wokeism, but it gets worse than that, the other thing they attacked them for was, quote, a certain conception of free speech, end quote.

00:27:22.160 Meh.

00:27:23.000 Wait.

00:27:23.260 Basically, they're saying they don't like that they're promoting free speech.

00:27:27.100 They, they also promote, quote, unquote, free speech, i.e. anything.

00:27:32.360 And if you've seen the wacky cases, and I'll add some in post here, of people being arrested for, like, saying completely inoffensive things in the UK.

00:27:39.780 Oh, the UK is scary.

00:27:41.080 I would be terrified to be on social media in the UK.

00:27:43.420 We should be able to set the rules in the UK, and you see mainstream, even progressives fighting against this was, like, you know, what's her name?

00:27:51.080 J.K. Rowling fighting against that insane law that came out in Scotland that wanted to jail people for misgendering people.

00:27:57.140 That is absolutely wild that they feel that they have this level of cultural hegemony, and this is what they mean when they say a certain conception.

00:28:04.080 So that's what they think makes them a hate group.

00:28:06.800 Conservative MPs.

00:28:09.700 Necessity makes for strained bedfellows.

00:28:11.380 A group infested with radical Marxists can just assuredly, wittingly or unwittingly, carry out the bidding of the British government, or any government for that matter.

00:28:19.940 The Black Panthers did a fine job of playing useful idiots for the FBI and CIA in the 1960s and the 1970s as part of Operation Chaos and Coint Pro.

00:28:27.900 But it's also possible for the goals of each group to be in direct alignment with those official agencies.

00:28:33.900 Left-wingers want to make life hard for, quote, unquote, fascists and, quote, unquote, right-wing extremists, and so do Western governments.

00:28:40.020 So why wouldn't they work together?

00:28:42.320 And all it would take is a little tip-off now and then.

00:28:45.040 Now, here's what I want to point out here.

00:28:46.880 I don't even think that that's what's happening here.

00:28:49.260 I think that this is even more conspiratorial.

00:28:51.340 I think that individuals who are in the deep state, who are, like, you know, state bureaucrats, have these ideologies.

00:29:00.100 Like, obviously, they do.

00:29:01.460 They go to the same parties that these other people go to, and they funnel cash their way.

00:29:05.740 I mean, obviously, they're MPs on both sides, right?

00:29:08.260 Like, they're literally the same group.

00:29:11.580 This is literally the same social group.

00:29:14.240 It has just ideologically captured the British intelligence agencies.

00:29:21.480 Wow.

00:29:22.320 And if people don't believe that intelligence agencies can be captured by wokeism, I'm going to put some, like, U.S. Army and CIA recruitment stuff in here right now so you can see how bad it's gotten even in our own country.

00:29:35.040 When I was 17, I quoted Zora Neale Hurston's How It Feels to be Colored Me in my college application essay.

00:29:42.500 The line that spoke to me stated simply,

00:29:44.840 I am not tragically colored.

00:29:46.700 There is no sorrow damned up in my soul nor lurking behind my eyes.

00:29:50.640 I do not mind at all.

00:29:52.600 At 17, I had no idea what life would bring, but Zora's sentiment articulated so beautifully how I felt as a daughter of immigrants then and now.

00:30:01.280 Nothing about me was or is tragic.

00:30:03.760 I am perfectly made.

00:30:06.460 I can wax eloquent on complex legal issues in English while also belting Guayaquil de mis amores in Spanish.

00:30:14.120 I can change a diaper with one hand and console a crying toddler with the other.

00:30:19.220 I am a woman of color.

00:30:20.740 I am a mom.

00:30:22.080 I am a cisgender millennial who's been diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder.

00:30:27.120 I am intersectional, but my existence is not a box-checking exercise.

00:30:31.680 I am a walking declaration, a woman whose inflection does not rise at the end of her sentences, suggesting that a question has been asked.

00:30:40.920 I did not sneak into CIA.

00:30:43.360 My employment was not and is not the result of a fluke or slip through the cracks.

00:30:47.840 I used to struggle with imposter syndrome, but at 36, I refuse to internalize misguided patriarchal ideas of what a woman can or should be.

00:30:58.480 I am tired of feeling like I'm supposed to apologize for the space I occupy rather than intoxicate people with my effort, my brilliance.

00:31:07.280 I am proud of me.

00:31:09.300 Full stop.

00:31:10.460 We, interestingly, like the hippies before, are fighting for freedom against a fascist force that's attempting to push a cultural hegemony and keep wars going, you know, in, in, it's just horrifying.

00:31:22.360 You did not just call us hippies.

00:31:24.960 Well, hey, I just say that we are aligned with the fight that they had previously, and I think that we've seen this.

00:31:30.300 Actually, it was interesting.

00:31:31.620 When I was reading the piece about why the guy who ended up doing all the undercover stuff got into this, he was like, he was surprised that some of his older, like, hippie, crunchy friends were now beginning to align with the conservatives against the vaccine.

00:31:45.180 And he's like, how does this happen?

00:31:46.860 How are they radicalizing these people?

00:31:48.720 It's like, they're not radicalizing.

00:31:50.280 They just realized the teams have switched.

00:31:53.740 And now you guys are the ones who control the government.

00:31:56.260 Well, I think that's the interesting thing is that people on the inside of this don't realize, the fascists don't realize that they themselves have been radicalized, which is interesting.

00:32:05.380 I think there's this lack of understanding of what's going on, even from within the House.

00:32:11.120 But what is uniquely scary about this is that, I guess you and I are coming online to the fact that this is happening.

00:32:20.400 But apparently this is happening.

00:32:22.720 This has been happening for quite some time.

00:32:24.280 And there's public knowledge of it.

00:32:29.400 And nothing is being done.

00:32:31.040 And how much worse are things going to get?

00:32:33.560 I mean, how much more?

00:32:35.340 I mean, we always get coverage of, oh, sorry.

00:32:38.140 Right.

00:32:38.440 I can't.

00:32:39.000 Oh, I forgot.

00:32:39.380 Sorry, there's a whole conversation here that I just had to delete because YouTube will immediately restrict the video if we have that conversation.

00:32:45.820 So we're not going to have that conversation.

00:32:48.700 And that's also crazy.

00:32:50.260 While we live in a thought crime world now where we can't say certain things, that is...

00:32:56.900 Simone, I'm just going to continue reading.

00:32:58.980 Please.

00:32:59.220 And you can sit there and see that you can't have the conversation you want to have.

00:33:03.020 Thanks.

00:33:03.400 So parallel construction, one way or another, was almost certainly a part in the doxing of Jonas Kieferman, a.k.a. Lomaz.

00:33:11.060 And we met him, right?

00:33:12.120 Although the Guardian made no mention of it, Jonathan was aware months before his identity was revealed that a prominent conservative figure was, how shall we say, a penchant for intrigue, was making a great show of asking his friends for him by name.

00:33:27.120 The implication was that this renowned schemer would soon release Jonathan's name as part of one of his trademark, I am a concerned centrist articles that he writes for his online magazine.

00:33:38.300 And he wanted Jonathan to know this and be afraid.

00:33:40.820 The grave of men, parenthetically, was an article Jonathan wrote as Lomaz for the Catholic journal First Things.

00:33:49.680 Just as Bill Kristol was outraged that the Claremont Institute had stooped to publish an anonymous raw egg-eating eccentrist 30 times and counting, Bill,

00:33:59.240 so our concerned centrist simply couldn't believe that a renowned theology journal would publish an anonymously penned article.

00:34:05.400 And not just that, an anonymously penned article about a concept, The Longhouse, taken from Bronze Age Pervert's scandalous book, Bronze Age Mindset.

00:34:15.500 This fervent pants-wetter was only dissuaded when an editor at First Things guaranteed that Jonathan would have a right of reply,

00:34:23.260 and so it appears he decided to pass on Jonathan's details to someone who could do the dirty work for him instead, Jason Wilson.

00:34:30.740 I don't know what all that is about. That is clearly inside baseball.

00:34:33.260 But I will say that it is interesting here that, like, Bronze Age Pervert is not that far right.

00:34:38.400 I know people, like, paint him as far right because he goes against the urban monoculture,

00:34:42.240 but his actual beliefs seem fairly centrist to me, just sort of unique, just sort of against the grain,

00:34:48.280 which is pretty wild that they would be attacked for that.

00:34:52.640 I'd also note here, and this is something we'll do a separate episode on,

00:34:55.580 but if you are conservative and you're thinking about entering the public sphere, do not do so anonymously.

00:35:00.980 Do not do so anonymously. It is so stupid.

00:35:06.120 I can try reverting that in a more diplomatic way.

00:35:09.380 What we would say is if you consider becoming a non-leftist speaker,

00:35:16.240 don't do it through anonymous accounts.

00:35:19.020 Don't try to hide it because as much as we respect a lot of people who did that and we think their takes are fun,

00:35:26.280 honestly, a lot of people whose takes are a lot more reasonable than even ours have been through severe cancellation events

00:35:33.380 because of the fact that they've tried to hide their identities.

00:35:36.020 It is nearly impossible to hide your identity, especially now, especially in the age of AI.

00:35:41.760 And through illicit, legal, or illegal means, I don't care, you will be found.

00:35:47.340 And the mere fact that you are attempting to hide your identity makes you vulnerable and makes you more of a target.

00:35:55.680 Expect that everything will come out.

00:35:57.440 Expect that everything will come back to you and your real identity and don't try to fight it.

00:36:02.180 I can think of a great example here of two specific individuals, one who is always public and one who tried to be private.

00:36:11.740 So we're reading this by Raw Egg Nationalist, so I'll use his as an example.

00:36:15.800 Think about the backlash and the real-life consequences Raw Egg Nationalist got when he was doxxed

00:36:21.340 compared with any consequences Ed Dutton has ever faced.

00:36:24.780 Ed Dutton is miles to the right of Raw Egg Nationalist in terms of anything he's ever written.

00:36:31.020 And yet, he has experienced significantly less backlash because he never had a doxxed moment.

00:36:37.160 And this is why it's so dangerous.

00:36:39.180 But it also helps make sure, like individuals like us, that you know you're always being recorded.

00:36:45.680 Okay?

00:36:46.800 Never say anything you don't want played to your real-life boss.

00:36:51.240 All right.

00:36:54.120 So to keep going here.

00:36:54.920 As the association between Bellingcat and Western intelligence agencies deepened,

00:37:00.880 the group has moved away from its earlier model of, quote, open source, end quote, intelligence,

00:37:06.340 where it only used publicly accessible data.

00:37:08.740 To a model that acknowledges, and I'm putting on screen here that proves this, a piece that proves this,

00:37:12.920 the use of the kinds of restricted data like flight manifests and cell phone records

00:37:17.500 that only intelligence agencies, hackers, and criminals have access to.

00:37:21.180 Bellingcat assiduously denied that they work with the government.

00:37:24.120 But they would say that, wouldn't they?

00:37:25.840 Also, the labor baroness on their board is a U.S. intelligence asset, according to her Wikipedia.

00:37:32.600 She was named, yeah, and that's the one that we talked about earlier.

00:37:35.520 So she's also on, I guess, Bellingcat.

00:37:36.940 Okay, so just to understand how bad Hope Not Hate is, Hope Not Hate inflamed the riots

00:37:44.420 by spreading false reports of a Muslim woman being attacked with acid.

00:37:49.180 An MP from their own party, from the labor party, amplified this.

00:37:54.300 With Josh Fenton, Glenn, MP, retweeting far-right cowards attacking women.

00:38:00.180 When people show you who they are, believe them.

00:38:03.220 And this is retweeting a Hope Not Hate tweet.

00:38:05.880 Reports are coming in of acid being thrown at a car window at a Muslim woman in Middlesbrough.

00:38:11.020 Absolutely horrendous.

00:38:12.300 This is completely, they just made something up to inflame the riots because that's what

00:38:16.940 they try to do.

00:38:17.720 They are not an anti, they are literally an extremist group.

00:38:21.040 And they should be treated and labeled as an extremist group.

00:38:23.900 And in fact, I will go so far that if I find my way into a Trump administration, I will have

00:38:30.840 Hope Not Hate labeled by the State Department as a terrorist extremist group.

00:38:35.880 Alongside all the neo-Nazi groups alongside, because they're acting like one.

00:38:40.560 And they need to be categorized as one.

00:38:43.200 And I think if we get a conservative majority in the UK, the UK needs to do this as well.

00:38:48.020 So we can begin to ferret out who their collaborators are within our intelligence network.

00:38:53.720 Yeah, I think that's fair.

00:38:57.000 Especially with government funds being used to so flagrantly fund a political agenda that

00:39:05.020 is not shared by all taxpayers.

00:39:07.200 I just, that seems so blatantly un-okay.

00:39:09.700 Well, it's not just not shared by all taxpayers.

00:39:11.060 It's like, clearly not a threat to the country.

00:39:13.320 They're like, half of the country is a threat to the country.

00:39:15.720 That's like what they're getting at.

00:39:17.080 They believe that is the most anti-democratic thing I could conceivably imagine.

00:39:22.260 They are trying to ensure that only one of the two major political factions within their

00:39:27.260 country can win and are using, it seems, both intelligence assets and taxpayer dollars to

00:39:34.400 ensure that happens.

00:39:35.820 That is not democracy.

00:39:37.360 That is fascism.

00:39:38.540 That is anti-democratic.

00:39:40.020 That is secret police stuff.

00:39:41.900 Yeah, it is crazy to me that that is real.

00:39:46.920 I just can't, I can't believe it's real.

00:39:49.220 And I think it took it, it took us getting involved in something like this for us to actually

00:39:54.240 fully come to terms with the fact that it's real.

00:39:58.020 It seems that ridiculous.

00:40:00.840 Now, here is where we break the case.

00:40:03.680 Because we collected a certain item when we were working with the guy.

00:40:08.640 Apparently, we were much more careful than anyone who had ever worked with him before.

00:40:12.680 And I want to point out how meaningful that is, because you've alluded to this in other

00:40:17.220 podcasts, but what people consider or call the far right is one of the most open, transparent,

00:40:25.280 inclusive, kind groups of people that you will ever encounter.

00:40:31.060 That I've never received a cold shoulder from these people.

00:40:34.380 The only cold shoulders I've ever really received are from progressive groups, which is, I think,

00:40:40.320 notable.

00:40:40.880 It's funny.

00:40:42.040 What if, like, this is just like a classic interview you see, where a progressive interviewer

00:40:46.160 will go up to, like, a Black person or, like, a flamboyantly gay person at, like, a right-wing

00:40:51.980 rally and be like, why are you here?

00:40:54.200 You must be treated horribly by this group.

00:40:56.260 And they're like, no, actually, they've been nicer to me than the leftists ever were.

00:40:59.820 And then the reporter's like, see how brainwashed they are?

00:41:02.520 So it comes as no surprise to me that this Chris Morton, who is, this is the identity

00:41:09.860 that the undercover reporter presented to the far right extremists that he interacted with,

00:41:17.100 that he was met with basically no criticism, no one really pushing on his background, no

00:41:23.100 one really questioning him.

00:41:24.300 And it is also notable that we even pushed him as much as we did.

00:41:31.000 But I will say this.

00:41:33.640 He did some things that were pretty flagrantly suspicious.

00:41:38.120 I mean, aside from having no online footprint at all.

00:41:42.120 And his resume was like, he gave us a resume to try to prove who he was.

00:41:46.860 It was like a paper-thin, obviously fake resume if you went over it.

00:41:50.520 I just didn't check it.

00:41:51.480 Yeah, why don't you, you should put it on the screen, put it on the screen.

00:41:55.260 But also his email was literally the real Chris Morton at insert domain.com, like common

00:42:02.640 insert email provider.com.

00:42:05.260 The real Chris Morton, as in like the totally not based personality.

00:42:10.460 So at one point, this was after, mind you, after we'd have multiple Zoom calls with him,

00:42:18.900 after we had met with him in person over a private lunch, and after we had invited him

00:42:24.620 and looped him in to a private dinner with other friends.

00:42:28.180 That we paid for, by the way.

00:42:29.300 Which we paid for.

00:42:30.200 Which is hugely against like legality in terms of like what reporters are-

00:42:33.420 That is true.

00:42:34.320 With the non-profit, by the way.

00:42:36.160 That is wild.

00:42:37.340 He's stealing non-profit money from right-wing organizations.

00:42:41.960 Anyway, so even after that, we already looped him in.

00:42:45.720 So we're also very inclusive.

00:42:47.360 And we honestly don't really care if someone-

00:42:50.860 We're just as inclusive to adversarial journalists, I should say.

00:42:55.480 We wouldn't have invited an adversarial journalist knowingly to a private dinner party with other

00:43:00.580 people present because we don't want to put anyone else at risk.

00:43:03.060 But we personally will never-

00:43:04.480 The Guardian just recently started doing another piece on us.

00:43:06.500 And you're like-

00:43:07.100 And they've always done hit pieces on us.

00:43:08.520 And you're like, yeah, sure, come over.

00:43:09.980 Yeah, I'm like, yeah, come on.

00:43:11.120 Yeah, the Guardian who covered Hope Not Hate's most recent exposés that they just put out

00:43:17.240 is coming over to our place on Friday.

00:43:20.160 I'm going to hang out with another journalist.

00:43:21.340 We never close ourselves off to anyone.

00:43:23.720 But I want to get to the evidence here, Simone.

00:43:25.780 Right, so anyway, after this, after this, but before making additional intros for him,

00:43:30.820 because again, we, like the rest of the far-right community, are very inclusive and open.

00:43:35.960 We're like, hey, we just want to make sure you're a real person because, you know, you

00:43:41.300 really do kind of have a suspicious background, the real Chris Morton at emailprovider.com.

00:43:46.660 So we asked, and he, unprovoked, sent us a picture of a passport.

00:43:52.160 And this is when we decided he was safe.

00:43:55.740 Do you know why we decided he was safe when he sent us a picture of a passport?

00:43:58.620 Because it is illegal.

00:44:00.780 No, no, no, Simone, I will read Perplexity's answer to this, okay?

00:44:03.540 Okay, yeah.

00:44:05.400 Creating and showing a fake passport to anyone in the UK is illegal and can result in serious

00:44:09.880 consequences.

00:44:11.160 It is illegal to create, process, or use a fake passport in the UK under the Identity

00:44:15.800 Documents Act of 2010.

00:44:18.000 This law makes it an offense to possess a false identity document

00:44:21.860 with improper intention, which would include creating and showing a fake passport to someone,

00:44:27.640 even if they are just a random civilian.

00:44:30.100 Well, but also just like literally I'm quoting the Identity Documents Act of 2010, quote,

00:44:35.260 it is an offense for a person without reasonable excuse to have in person's possession or under

00:44:40.720 person's control an identity document that is false.

00:44:43.580 So it wasn't just the fact that he showed it to us, or it wasn't the fact that he showed

00:44:47.100 it to us to mislead us.

00:44:48.260 It was the fact that he possesses a fake ID.

00:44:51.500 His name is not Chris Morton.

00:44:52.920 His name is, oh, what is his name?

00:44:55.100 Simone, we'll get to that in a second.

00:44:56.240 We'll get to that in a second because we're going to go over a big piece about him.

00:44:58.520 But the prison sentence for this would be a 10-year prison sentence.

00:45:01.920 And you would have a criminal record after doing this, and you would also face fines.

00:45:06.260 So we know this can't be his illegal use, because if you aren't illegally doing this,

00:45:13.240 if the government didn't provide this to him somehow in a way that made him feel safe,

00:45:16.600 he wouldn't send to people he's about to cancel a piece of incriminating evidence that could

00:45:22.480 put him in jail.

00:45:23.680 For 10 years.

00:45:24.800 Yes, because he knew he was going to post something about us, and he knew that we would

00:45:28.660 have this in our email inboxes just sitting there.

00:45:31.200 I mean, even with all of this, and I would note to anybody who's listening to this, if

00:45:38.200 you are in the UK and you want to test this and prove Hope Not Hate's connection to British

00:45:43.000 intelligence, just press the case.

00:45:45.160 I mean, we're putting a picture of the email here.

00:45:47.920 We're putting a picture of the passport here.

00:45:50.880 I'll leave it to you guys.

00:45:52.100 But I'm fairly certain that the case isn't going to go anywhere, because it's going to

00:45:55.740 turn out that they're connected to British intelligence.

00:45:57.400 And I would not be airing this if I was not certain of that.

00:46:02.920 Yeah, because we don't want to put anyone in jail.

00:46:04.820 We do not want to put anyone in jail.

00:46:06.020 I don't want to put anyone in jail for just, like, he got brainwashed by...

00:46:09.120 We're penal colony people.

00:46:10.560 We believe in public...

00:46:11.520 Like, I would much rather be publicly whipped than put in jail, for sure.

00:46:14.320 Personally.

00:46:15.220 Like, we're very against jail.

00:46:16.680 So, like, I don't want anyone going to jail.

00:46:18.520 Went to Cambridge, got brainwashed by the cult.

00:46:21.120 You know, it's normal.

00:46:22.720 It happens to people.

00:46:23.760 One day he may wake up, you know, and be like, oh my god, I can't believe all the horrifying

00:46:28.400 things I've done.

00:46:29.300 All the people I've been collaborating with.

00:46:31.060 These horrific people who divide humans based on their ethnic group, want to enforce a government

00:46:38.360 ideology on the populace and put Jews at the bottom.

00:46:42.240 They look a lot like another group that rose to power before, and I was one of their witless

00:46:47.000 collaborators.

00:46:48.040 They enforce their power on the streets using black shirts, just like the fascists did historically.

00:46:52.640 They...

00:46:53.640 I'm just saying.

00:46:55.060 I'm just saying.

00:46:56.220 I was definitely on this progressive side.

00:46:58.400 There is a moment where you wake up and you go, I was a Nazi!

00:47:00.680 Oh my god!

00:47:02.240 Oh!

00:47:03.080 But he's not going to have that moment, probably.

00:47:05.480 But I don't...

00:47:05.960 I don't...

00:47:06.360 He could, you know?

00:47:07.180 He could!

00:47:08.000 No, I think...

00:47:09.000 I think he's a...

00:47:09.920 He...

00:47:10.260 And he hasn't been working with Hope Not Hate until very recently.

00:47:13.960 This was his first...

00:47:14.640 Yeah, I don't think he understood, like, what the agenda is here or anything like that.

00:47:18.400 I just think he had this, like, idea of, I'm going to go undercover.

00:47:20.840 Wouldn't this be interesting to understand this stuff better?

00:47:23.340 Yeah.

00:47:23.540 Write a book on it.

00:47:24.680 Yeah.

00:47:25.020 And you got funding from them.

00:47:26.460 Yeah.

00:47:26.600 And I don't think he understands the full agenda at play here or the truly nefarious intent

00:47:34.220 of a lot of these organizations in terms of stamping out any sort of diversity in either

00:47:40.480 the UK or the US.

00:47:41.200 Oh yeah, token diversity.

00:47:42.480 Like, let's say, like, color-tone diversity.

00:47:45.560 But not real diversity.

00:47:46.980 Not, like, diversity of ideas or beliefs or anything like that.

00:47:51.500 I mean, look at how fast they dropped their commitment to fighting anti-Semitism as soon

00:47:55.800 as it took over their own party.

00:47:57.420 Look at it from his perspective.

00:47:59.140 He was a journalist.

00:48:00.300 He covered things like the rise of the far right a little bit, but he wrote about plenty

00:48:04.680 of other things.

00:48:05.420 He is looking for good journalistic opportunities.

00:48:08.140 He knew that Hope Not Hate had experience working undercover, and he planned on going

00:48:11.520 to some, you know, far-right extremist conference undercover or something like that.

00:48:15.800 And he saw the opportunity and he jumped at it.

00:48:18.700 And I don't, yeah, I think he's an intelligent person who's doing the best for his career.

00:48:23.160 He's a child that looks similar to somebody who would have worked in intelligence.

00:48:26.320 And there is evidence that somebody else sent us that his parents are in intelligence,

00:48:30.560 British intelligence.

00:48:31.080 Former intelligence.

00:48:32.040 Since recording this, they found fairly definitive proof that his grandfather was

00:48:35.600 a spy working for the British government.

00:48:37.740 Specifically, the thing that made the connection, rather than just a last name, so we weren't

00:48:41.440 sure before, was they found business records for a brick and mortar development limited

00:48:46.540 company.

00:48:47.280 Yeah, maybe.

00:48:47.660 However, I will not provide that evidence because that could be seen as doxing of his

00:48:51.520 parents, which to me is super gross.

00:48:54.000 The only reason I'm even mentioning his name is he has publicly published with his name

00:48:59.580 that he was the one who did this.

00:49:01.300 If he hadn't done that, I would never release his real name.

00:49:05.380 Because unlike him, I don't believe in this kind of doxing.

00:49:08.340 I think it's wrong.

00:49:09.300 I think it's evil.

00:49:10.560 And I think it's what organizations do when they want to scare people.

00:49:13.920 I mean, I think you look at something like Raid Nationalists.

00:49:15.920 Raid Nationalists, revealing who he is, doesn't hurt the brand of Raid Nationalists.

00:49:20.440 He's like a normal, healthy-looking, successful guy.

00:49:23.820 All it does is make people like him afraid to speak their mind against the fascists who

00:49:30.180 are taking over our government.

00:49:31.860 That's what it does.

00:49:33.180 So let's continue here.

00:49:34.440 During the spring of 2023, and this is written by him, right, or by somebody writing about

00:49:38.700 him, which I thought was great.

00:49:40.260 This is written by a former colleague of him at The Mill, which is the publication where

00:49:45.700 he worked, even part-time, leading into his undercover experience with Hope Not Hate.

00:49:53.780 Yes.

00:49:54.780 During the spring of 2023, undercover reporter Harry Shuckman sat amongst a group of far-right

00:50:00.900 campaigners in a fortified back patio belonging to Paul Golding, a Salford-based leader of Britain

00:50:07.640 first, and he was terrified.

00:50:10.060 Shuckman had spent the day pamphleting for the party under a secret identity.

00:50:14.580 His fellow pamphleteers knew him as Chris, while he wore a hidden camera.

00:50:18.980 As the group sat around the high-wall barbed ryer patio of Golding's second home in Dartford,

00:50:24.900 eating takeaway pizza as Twilight fell, Golding was staring directly at Shuckman's chest.

00:50:31.660 This was a man who had been previously jailed for aggravated harassment.

00:50:35.920 I have never heard anything so dystopian as aggravated harassment.

00:50:41.020 They act like it's aggravated assault.

00:50:43.440 What if he chides me?

00:50:45.640 What if he chides me?

00:50:47.080 I mean, quote.

00:50:47.760 I'm just picturing him in this backyard patio.

00:50:49.660 No, no, hold on, hold on.

00:50:50.380 We have to read what he did.

00:50:51.140 Pizza Express, which is so delicious.

00:50:53.640 Yeah.

00:50:53.780 Just, like, so scared out of his mind that someone is going to, in an aggravated fashion,

00:50:58.560 chide him for, like, trying to dox him.

00:51:01.400 Quote, I felt so uncomfortable.

00:51:04.920 It was like my heart was about to explode, in quote, Shuckman recalls.

00:51:10.080 Golding was looking, quote, dead at my chest, drilling his eyes in, and I felt myself getting

00:51:15.160 very hot, like, fuck, has he seen it, in quote?

00:51:18.200 Quote, immediately, Shuckman began plotting his getaway, though he quickly realized with

00:51:23.640 mounting horror that he was several doors away from the exit.

00:51:27.120 There was, quote, no way I could escape, in quote, without a very thorough tongue lashing

00:51:32.560 from this man.

00:51:34.160 You naughty, naughty man.

00:51:36.260 How dare you betray all of your friend's trust and our kindness?

00:51:41.360 We, we got you pizza.

00:51:43.780 He gave him pizza.

00:51:45.500 That's the most, like, British thing possible.

00:51:48.080 And then, to my horror, and then to my horror, I realized I may be criticized.

00:51:56.040 I may have to face some social consequences for my actions.

00:52:00.360 How embarrassing.

00:52:02.180 Oh, dear.

00:52:03.100 Oh, my.

00:52:03.500 Oh.

00:52:03.980 Oh.

00:52:04.580 Oh.

00:52:05.080 But I, I mean, I just love, no, because, but it's because he has, and you should watch

00:52:09.420 your Antifa video if you don't do this, but the leftists use this social technology where

00:52:12.920 they equate somebody being, like, too many immigrants are coming to our country when more

00:52:18.060 people have moved in, more immigrants this year came into America than there were Americans

00:52:23.420 born in America.

00:52:24.540 And Elon Musk was, like, this is a problem.

00:52:26.600 And I'm, like, yeah, that does actually seem like a problem.

00:52:29.280 And people like him would be, like, that's a fascist thing to say.

00:52:34.140 And it's, like, they do that so that they can, in their mind, connect you with Nazis to

00:52:39.180 dehumanize you without actually showing any ideological similarity to Nazis, whereas

00:52:45.240 along every major political and ideological access, except whites being at the top, they

00:52:51.880 are exactly Nazis politically.

00:52:53.840 And again, go see our video, Is the Left Actually Fascist?

00:52:56.260 I don't know, man.

00:52:56.820 There's a lot of whites at the top of these organizations.

00:53:00.080 No, but what I'm saying is that the ideology that Nazis pushed is that humans should be viewed

00:53:04.320 as a striated ethno group system.

00:53:07.180 Oh, and this, yeah, that one particular view is absent from these leftist groups, that one.

00:53:13.040 Yeah.

00:53:14.040 Well, no, I'm saying they have this ideology.

00:53:17.260 They have an ideology of, like, a past greatness that awards various ethnic groups the right

00:53:23.640 to be treated this way.

00:53:24.560 They have narratives where the reason that ethnic groups that should be high within the

00:53:30.100 system are not high within the system due to oppression of the Jews or other groups.

00:53:34.440 I mean, that's literally what they argue.

00:53:36.340 You can look at, you know.

00:53:38.320 Oh, shoot.

00:53:38.600 You're right.

00:53:39.400 It's still the Jews.

00:53:40.880 No, this is what leftists forget is Nazis weren't mad at the Jews because they saw Jews

00:53:47.280 as, like, lesser than them.

00:53:49.180 They were mad at the Jews because they thought the Jews were hoarding all the money and oppressing

00:53:52.740 them.

00:53:53.120 Oh, no.

00:53:53.600 That was why they were mad at the Jews because the Jews were privileged.

00:53:58.680 It is the same ideology.

00:54:01.180 Anyway, so, and I just, like, they're, like, hanging out with the good guys.

00:54:06.060 They're, like, I don't understand why no one on the good guy side is suspicious of me.

00:54:09.880 I'm not saying that this group, I don't know anything about this Britain First group, but

00:54:13.060 if it's anything like Make America First, it's probably not that bad.

00:54:16.380 Make America First is a mainstream organization in the U.S. that is just concerned about American

00:54:21.220 culture.

00:54:21.580 Yeah, but let's be clear, though.

00:54:23.200 I don't know what they actually stand for, so.

00:54:25.220 I don't know what any of these groups stand for, but I'm just saying the people I've met

00:54:27.860 in Make America First are generally nice people, and when I talk to them, they're generally

00:54:32.580 less racist than this guy was pretending to be.

00:54:36.680 Less racist than the email Hope Not Hate sent us.

00:54:40.000 One of my favorite things about the Hope Not Hate email.

00:54:42.200 Oh, my gosh.

00:54:42.560 One of the most racist things.

00:54:43.920 So there was this email when they were going to expose us, and they go, in private, we caught

00:54:47.540 you saying you wanted to help exceptional people have more kids.

00:54:50.020 But on your website, you say that you want to help Latin Americans.

00:54:54.700 How do you square that?

00:54:57.460 Can you believe this?

00:54:58.800 Now, you've got to keep in mind who we are.

00:55:02.600 We live half-time in Latin America.

00:55:05.000 We have a home in Peru.

00:55:07.120 The godson of our firstborn son is Latin American.

00:55:10.860 Okay?

00:55:11.880 We are very, very pro-Latin American.

00:55:14.980 Just to be clear, in case you're only half listening to this podcast, they insinuated

00:55:19.760 through their questioning of us that there are no elite people in Latin America.

00:55:28.300 What?

00:55:28.820 You say you want to help people with good genes, but you also want to help Latin Americans?

00:55:35.560 Those disgusting rat monsters.

00:55:37.920 I'm just like, whoa!

00:55:40.860 I have never heard, and I'm being serious here.

00:55:44.360 I have been around great replacement theory people.

00:55:47.440 I have been around America first people.

00:55:50.060 I have never heard one of them speak that disparagingly about Latin Americans.

00:55:55.240 Not one of them.

00:55:56.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair.

00:55:57.620 People are like, well, then why do they want to keep around?

00:55:59.160 Because they want to preserve a cultural difference.

00:56:02.640 Latin Americans are culturally different from us, and I can understand.

00:56:05.460 I don't agree with all that.

00:56:07.160 As I said, we've never supported great replacement theory or anything like that.

00:56:10.020 But I could understand that a non-malicious person might have concerns there, but anyway.

00:56:17.880 Yeah, just to be clear to the writer from the mill who did say that we supported great

00:56:24.080 replacement theory, no, but we've joked about greater replacement theory, whereby autistic

00:56:29.520 people will inherit the future because they seem to be oddly pronatalist, but that is very

00:56:34.560 different.

00:56:35.340 It's a joke.

00:56:36.300 It's a joke about autists.

00:56:38.260 Great replacement theory.

00:56:40.020 We tell regularly that you need to be dumb not to get, but, you know, these people,

00:56:44.400 they're in a cult.

00:56:45.020 I don't think they have very much of a sense of humor, so.

00:56:48.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.720 Yeah.

00:56:49.160 No, I've been to lefty events.

00:56:50.580 There's like no jokes.

00:56:51.520 It's like sad and depressing all the time, and everyone's always talking about their mental

00:56:55.040 health issues.

00:56:56.060 It's why like all their comics are bad, all their movies are bad, all their everything

00:56:59.420 is bad.

00:56:59.980 They like have nothing.

00:57:01.480 All independent media that people watch now is like right-leaning, whether it's like on

00:57:05.400 YouTube or on podcasts, like I put a top 10 list of podcasts here.

00:57:08.380 It's like all right-leaning stuff.

00:57:10.020 Only the legacy media, only the stuff that could be bureaucratically captured has any

00:57:13.180 leftist supporters anymore.

00:57:14.240 But this is on, he went to like this master teacher who is going to teach him how to be

00:57:20.960 undercover and infiltrate these groups.

00:57:23.060 And he said, quote, you need to have biographical questions at your fingertips, end quote.

00:57:27.600 Quote, Schultzman tells me, quote, you can't hesitate.

00:57:31.520 Do you have siblings?

00:57:32.580 What's your dad's name?

00:57:33.860 What did you do for your A-levels?

00:57:35.420 Where did you go to uni?

00:57:36.540 Where did you grow up?

00:57:37.980 Biographical questions need instant answers, end quote.

00:57:40.700 And I'm like, no, you gave us like this paper sin.

00:57:43.840 Like child could have written it.

00:57:45.200 Child could have told it was fake.

00:57:46.880 Resume.

00:57:47.520 We just don't ask many questions.

00:57:49.420 Most people don't ask many questions in these groups because they know they're trying to make

00:57:53.420 the world a better place.

00:57:54.340 Well, and I just love that like, despite this prep that they apparently had, this whole

00:57:59.280 spy craft moment, they decided on the email, the real Chris Morton.

00:58:05.560 I think it's based on the real Donald Trump.

00:58:07.400 I think they were trying to create like a.

00:58:08.880 Oh, they were trying to like dog whistle some kind of Trump affiliation.

00:58:12.240 Yeah.

00:58:13.340 Like, I'll just say, like, this is the type of person who is so fundamentally racist and

00:58:20.600 bigoted that they think that Latin Americans can't be exceptional people.

00:58:25.700 No, it, it, it, it, it, it.

00:58:27.180 I know, I know.

00:58:28.140 It bothers me that, that, that I, I, I am not okay with like actual racists.

00:58:32.960 They like actually squig me out.

00:58:34.560 And like, these guys are like, and people are like, what do you mean?

00:58:37.640 Like actual racist versus, if somebody is like, I want to preserve my country's culture.

00:58:41.320 And I think it's different from the cultures of recent immigrants.

00:58:43.740 I don't think they're lesser than me.

00:58:45.260 I just want to preserve my country's heritage.

00:58:47.900 I can be like, I might not agree with you, but that is a reasonable and non-racist thing

00:58:52.640 to believe.

00:58:53.500 No, that's actually, we would say a good thing.

00:58:55.660 And then we're going to do a podcast soon where you kind of just, you and I discuss that,

00:59:00.400 like the fact that we think that pluralism plays.

00:59:03.240 But if somebody comes to me and they're like, I think Latin Americans have disgusting doo-doo

00:59:07.420 genes.

00:59:08.080 I'm like, whoa, buddy, chill out, dial it back.

00:59:12.640 That's not fun.

00:59:13.820 Okay.

00:59:14.500 So, so let's, let's keep going here.

00:59:16.720 Emerson suggested that Shulkman, as Chris, present himself.

00:59:20.620 Emerson is like this secret spy master guy.

00:59:22.920 He's the guy who sent us the accusations for response before this article went live.

00:59:27.320 Because he, he and Chris, sorry, he and Chris Morton, whatever his real name is, were the,

00:59:33.960 the people working on this project.

00:59:35.460 Oh, so he's the super racist guy?

00:59:36.460 Because he's the one who drafted that.

00:59:37.760 I would say Chris didn't say all this racist stuff against Latin Americans.

00:59:40.540 This was this other guy.

00:59:41.860 Patrick.

00:59:42.800 Yeah.

00:59:43.240 Yeah.

00:59:43.780 And it, that it, Patrick is the one who sent us the email.

00:59:46.880 Yeah.

00:59:47.280 As I learned more about, like originally when we responded to the email, we're like, Hey,

00:59:50.160 maybe they actually want to fight racism and antisemitism and we can work together in

00:59:53.200 some way.

00:59:53.500 Like I was like, cause I didn't know anything about their organization.

00:59:55.540 And now I know that they're like raging antisemites who are really just a political affiliation,

01:00:01.040 trying to stamp out ideological diversity.

01:00:03.100 It should have been clear to me.

01:00:04.360 I mean, given how religiously offensive their attacks on us were, that they were just in

01:00:08.860 attacks on mainstream Calvinist police.

01:00:10.620 And yet they're supposed to fight for religious inclusivity.

01:00:14.060 Yet the concept of the elect, they're like, no, you need to be canceled for your religion.

01:00:20.020 I'm like, anyway, anyway.

01:00:23.860 So that, that he presented himself as someone who's relatively new to the scene and curious

01:00:28.880 what it's all about.

01:00:29.880 Exactly the type of person we would be happy to talk to.

01:00:32.060 Quote, Chris has watched some far right YouTubers who have piqued his interest.

01:00:35.680 Chris is concerned about where the country is going.

01:00:38.260 Quote, there's a perception in this far right that an infiltrator will be the most extreme

01:00:43.380 person in the room, end quote.

01:00:45.140 And I, he was extreme enough to make me uncomfortable.

01:00:47.320 Like I remember after the talk, I was like, that guy is like, he needs to chill out.

01:00:51.540 And so we tried to introduce him to like a bunch of like more chill people at like our dinner

01:00:55.400 parties and stuff like that.

01:00:56.460 Cause he seemed open to being more chill.

01:00:58.740 He seemed like something who may have like watched one too many Ed Dutton videos and like

01:01:03.540 really bought into all of that and didn't realize that there was like another side to

01:01:08.660 all of this where you, you can admit that falling fertility rates is the thing, admit that humans

01:01:12.540 have genes, admit that dysgenex is a real problem without spiraling into like racist conspiracies.

01:01:18.540 But I think that that's just what he was trained to try to learn, but he came across as like

01:01:22.700 really racist anyway.

01:01:24.700 But, but again, like the type of racist who was open to deconversion, which is why we took

01:01:29.440 the time to talk to him.

01:01:30.540 But that's not to say there weren't many frightening moments besides the evening at Golding's back

01:01:35.680 patio.

01:01:36.600 Shulkman was once meeting with somebody connected to the pro natalist movement when he took a

01:01:41.620 video call under his real name.

01:01:43.640 Normally he's careful to be logged in only under his Chris accounts while he's undercover.

01:01:48.360 I'm guessing.

01:01:49.700 Let's not, we should, we shouldn't name her.

01:01:52.480 No, they named her in the article.

01:01:54.120 I know, but she probably.

01:01:55.700 Sorry.

01:01:56.260 This may have been our female POC college, like basically intern at the time who is like

01:02:03.900 the sweetest person.

01:02:04.880 And they insisted on doxing, even though we told them like, what are you doing?

01:02:08.660 She has never really worked for us.

01:02:10.200 She's had no connection to our organization for years.

01:02:12.800 You can provably verify any of this.

01:02:16.000 And yet he's scared of this little Chinese and Persian woman because he's fundamentally

01:02:23.120 a bigot and a coward.

01:02:24.580 That's it.

01:02:25.300 Right.

01:02:25.540 He just wants to go out there and.

01:02:28.120 So I just, I don't, I, I, somebody who could be like terrified, like this college kid who

01:02:36.400 I need to dox is gonna like, what, what kind of a bastard do you just imagine being afraid

01:02:42.580 of this person?

01:02:44.200 Just imagine being afraid of this person?

01:02:48.060 Like what?

01:02:51.480 And this person, by the way, in my general experience is generically left-leaning.

01:02:58.120 Yeah.

01:02:58.560 She just admits humans have genes and they affect behavior.

01:03:02.940 That's it.

01:03:03.240 That was, that was the evil thing.

01:03:05.780 Absolutely heartless.

01:03:07.720 And I just, anyway, but let's go further here.

01:03:11.420 And if you want to understand like what I mean by dehumanizing people and like, like normal

01:03:15.540 people, you guys watch our podcast.

01:03:18.220 A lot of you see us every day.

01:03:19.440 You know that while they might be calling us far right activists, you know, we are at

01:03:24.620 best center right activists, where I think a lot of people might consider us centrist or

01:03:29.440 even leftists, right?

01:03:31.020 But they're so brainwashed.

01:03:32.680 They can't see this.

01:03:33.700 And they work apparently for the British government, but it was also difficult for Schultzman to

01:03:38.400 quote, befriend people so that you can ultimately betray them in quote.

01:03:43.280 It's hard to explain, he says, even those of you were people who had said and done incredibly

01:03:49.100 racist things.

01:03:50.320 Anyone who knows us knows that is just a lie.

01:03:52.880 They were still people who told Schultzman about their friends and loved and love lives

01:03:57.920 and their gardens and their holidays in Spain, their divorces, their parents getting old and

01:04:02.260 sick.

01:04:02.920 You have to have some, you have to have a heart of stone to not emphasize with them on some

01:04:07.540 level.

01:04:08.240 Schultzman says, even though if they knew who you were in quote, which is just no

01:04:13.260 true.

01:04:13.600 I mean, you can see what we say about him.

01:04:15.080 Like we don't have any genuine animosity to him.

01:04:17.260 I just see him as somebody who is brainwashed and is basically working for a fascist government

01:04:20.840 to complete their agenda.

01:04:23.400 And one day he may wake up just like so many Nazi collaborators did and been like, am I the

01:04:30.040 baddie?

01:04:30.420 Like, is the side with the ethno hierarchy that believes that different ethnic groups are

01:04:36.880 deserving of different levels of human dignity, the side that's taking away people's children,

01:04:42.040 is that the, is that maybe the bad guy side?

01:04:46.100 The side that controls all government institutions and large companies and enforces its will on

01:04:50.760 a diverse group of people.

01:04:51.900 And the other side is just fighting for pluralism and the right to have their own cultural practices.

01:04:58.560 Is, is the side that almost every day holds anti-Semitic marches through the heart of London?

01:05:04.000 Might, might they be the bad guy?

01:05:06.760 I think what's really interesting too, is that a lot of people, including possibly this

01:05:12.540 undercover reporter, are kind of under this like delusional perception that there is some

01:05:18.700 big evil far right community that doesn't really exist.

01:05:23.220 And he's sitting in these undercover scenarios, terrified of being caught, but I think also

01:05:28.400 maybe feeling a lot of cognitive dissonance because he is trying to see something that's

01:05:34.420 not there, maybe subtly realizing that he's effectively attempting to disrupt and dismantle

01:05:41.280 the lives and careers of people who are undeserving of such persecution.

01:05:46.320 Yes.

01:05:47.000 We're totally normal people who are concerned about their communities, who haven't actually

01:05:52.320 said anything insane.

01:05:54.880 And I'd also point out, and we pointed this out before, I'll always point it out, it's

01:05:58.340 something that people need to be reminded of because it's one of the biggest lies that

01:06:01.600 the left will tell people, is that FiveThirtyEight, Nate Silver, a mainstream U.S. polling organization

01:06:08.280 showed that there is not more racism, at least not significantly more racism, within Republican

01:06:15.220 voters in the United States than left-wing voters.

01:06:17.940 In fact, until Obama was elected, your average white Democrat was more likely to say they would

01:06:23.640 not vote for a black president than your average white Republican.

01:06:26.740 It is a lie.

01:06:29.360 There is not any disproportionately racist Republican base.

01:06:34.760 Now, by that, what I mean, I'm not saying that there's no racists who support Republican

01:06:37.340 candidates, but there are not more racists who support Republican candidates than the equivalent

01:06:42.200 racist groups on the left.

01:06:43.740 And here I'm talking about not calling Black Lives Matter a racist thing.

01:06:48.800 I'm talking about white, generic racists.

01:06:52.420 Yeah, sort of the classic definition of racism as understood by the left.

01:06:56.620 And let's be honest, all people are bastards.

01:06:58.900 I mean, people are messed up.

01:07:00.920 No, no, no, what I'm saying is, I think you're right.

01:07:03.140 I think he had this moment of cognitive dissonance where he realized that these people on the

01:07:07.380 right weren't saying anything more racist and were likely significantly less anti-Semitic than

01:07:11.680 the parties he was going to on the left, but he just had to dehumanize them.

01:07:15.480 He had to categorize them like this.

01:07:17.400 And I think that so many people on the left are like this.

01:07:19.420 They just, it's like a cult, like being a Scientologist.

01:07:21.560 Like you just, you have this one day where you look around and you put it all together

01:07:26.640 and you're like, we were, when I look at the statistics, when I actually look at the information,

01:07:33.900 we were the bad guys from the beginning.

01:07:36.420 Well, and keep in mind, realistically, he can't walk this back.

01:07:39.460 He left his job at the mill.

01:07:42.020 He sunk a year, at least, into this undercover reporting.

01:07:46.480 He nuked his entire online footprint and removed as many photos of himself as well off the internet

01:07:53.040 as much as he could.

01:07:54.740 He has put everything into this.

01:07:57.300 I think there's going to be a documentary and a book.

01:08:00.340 He cannot, he's too path dependent at this point, go back on this.

01:08:05.200 He's also written himself into a political corner.

01:08:07.980 Even if he has realized that his side is immoderate, at the very least, there is nothing he can do.

01:08:15.460 Yeah, this reminds me of something that was said in the email where they reached out to us,

01:08:20.120 where they said, well, you know, we can connect you with the magazine Aporia

01:08:24.820 that has said human biodiversity is real because you gave them strategic advice

01:08:29.920 to never engage in human biodiversity stuff.

01:08:32.980 And if they did, you would work with them.

01:08:35.240 And if they did, then we could not work with them.

01:08:38.060 Yeah.

01:08:38.300 Well, if they, if they, if they didn't disengage with HPD, we couldn't work with them.

01:08:41.860 And, and, and they came to us with this and I'm like, wait, so you in private meetings

01:08:48.360 with other people know that we have told other people that we will never, ever, ever support

01:08:56.620 human biodiversity related agendas.

01:08:59.080 And you are still attempting to, to, to say that we are racist, that we are promoting racism.

01:09:07.500 When, you know, behind closed doors, we are against publicly airing scientific studies

01:09:15.220 and facts that could be used to promote racism.

01:09:19.640 Like, you know that that's not true.

01:09:22.960 You know, you are the bad guys in this, but that's, that's what gets me in all this.

01:09:28.920 Okay.

01:09:29.200 Let's, let's continue here.

01:09:30.800 Now that's, I love speaking of, uh, uh, Aporia.

01:09:35.960 I hope that this makes Aporia feel at least a bit better.

01:09:38.260 I like most of Aporia's reporting.

01:09:39.920 I think it's really good.

01:09:40.600 Like I don't like the HPD stuff, but I think they're one of the best scientific magazines

01:09:44.020 out there right now.

01:09:44.800 If you are into science, this might be like the best scientific magazine.

01:09:47.800 I think that I've read minus other HPD stuff, because I think they really cut to the

01:09:53.280 chase on a lot of things.

01:09:54.480 Are there HDF and other organizations?

01:09:57.740 Oh, sorry.

01:09:59.380 Are the HDF and other organizations succeeding in shifting public opinion?

01:10:04.160 Quote, disappointingly.

01:10:06.700 End quote.

01:10:08.020 Schulkman says, quote, certain aspects of scientific racism have taken hold in the mainstream.

01:10:14.920 End quote.

01:10:16.080 Aporia's predecessors in terms of white supremacist publishing, like Mankind Quarterly, were not

01:10:21.840 very well read and were quite difficult to find, while Aporia's popularity has grown

01:10:27.540 to the extent that a conservative MP, Neil O'Brown, approvingly shared one of their articles

01:10:33.160 on his Substack last year.

01:10:35.140 Quote, the West Fertility Crisis.

01:10:37.100 End quote.

01:10:37.900 And you can see, like, that's the type of article of theirs that I love.

01:10:40.240 They do great jobs with those articles.

01:10:41.760 Schulkman points out that, quote, discussions about IQ and genetics are also animating the

01:10:48.360 American presidential contest.

01:10:50.260 End quote.

01:10:51.100 It was Donald Trump recently telling a conservative talk show host that, quote, we got a lot of

01:10:56.460 bad genes in our country right now.

01:10:58.500 End quote.

01:10:59.100 End quote.

01:10:59.580 Raising the specter of Nazi eugenics.

01:11:03.360 That sounds so like Trump.

01:11:04.880 We've got a lot of bad X in this country.

01:11:06.940 Even the Trump quote didn't say bad genes from immigrants.

01:11:10.500 It said we have bad genes in our country right now.

01:11:13.820 Calling general dysgenic selection.

01:11:16.260 Idiocracy, basically.

01:11:17.460 No more racist than Mike Judd.

01:11:19.400 But not that they're coming from immigrants.

01:11:21.700 And here, what I will point out is the left realized that they're losing.

01:11:25.360 Organizations like Hope Not Hate realize they're getting, like, 20 reshare.

01:11:29.100 With a post like this.

01:11:30.200 They realize that they can spend two years on something and do everything they want.

01:11:33.800 But everyone sees through it now.

01:11:35.700 It's the same way that the big game companies.

01:11:37.460 They'll release a game like Concord.

01:11:39.120 They'll release a game like, and I'm sure this is going to happen with Assassin's Creed

01:11:41.880 Shadows, where they release the most racist game, maybe in history, which is about a black

01:11:47.960 guy going around, who didn't exist, going around Japan, killing Japanese people, victimizing

01:11:53.360 innocent Japanese families, who's supposed to be the hero.

01:11:56.820 And they're like, I don't understand why this would be a problem.

01:11:59.160 It's a black person.

01:11:59.960 They're allowed to kill any other ethnicity, aren't they?

01:12:02.240 And then everyone else is like, Japan's like, no.

01:12:04.940 And they're like, but it's a historic figure.

01:12:06.640 And Japan's like, did you check that before you made this?

01:12:10.800 And they're like, oh, I guess it's not a historic figure.

01:12:13.400 Did we just make a game to, like, gangster rap about a black guy murdering innocent Japanese

01:12:18.880 families and think that it was okay because we are so delusionally racist at this point?

01:12:23.360 And if you're thinking anyone, even the brainwashed people at the company must have known this

01:12:28.500 would lose them money.

01:12:29.420 It's not about money.

01:12:31.520 It's about sending a message.

01:12:35.800 What?

01:12:36.460 Sorry.

01:12:36.760 You can, you can delete this, but my understanding is it was a real historical figure and Assassin's

01:12:42.560 Creed actually does have a history, even before the whole woke crisis, of making very woke

01:12:48.720 countercultural narratives woven within their games, consider the colonial American one,

01:12:53.720 that this was a real historical black figure in Japanese history.

01:12:57.160 However, it, it, it is very unlikely that he was a samurai.

01:13:00.240 He was more likely kept around as a curiosity and they're playing with that as, as a sort

01:13:05.640 of part of the Assassin's Creed narrative.

01:13:07.960 Sorry, a black person kept up as essentially a zoo attraction.

01:13:10.600 Yes.

01:13:11.080 It's a racist atrocity of history.

01:13:14.320 Yes.

01:13:14.540 And not be glorified in a game that they are pretending.

01:13:18.120 It's revisionist history where instead of him being a zoo animal, they're, they're like,

01:13:24.300 let's make him cool and a samurai.

01:13:26.980 And they probably watched, um, ghost dog.

01:13:30.000 And they were like, what a cool concept, black, black samurai.

01:13:32.940 And it's a great movie.

01:13:34.240 Ghost dog.

01:13:34.720 So cool.

01:13:35.400 So I get, I mean, I'm like, I see, I think there's plausible deniability for Assassin's

01:13:40.020 Creed.

01:13:40.420 I like their aesthetics and I like their historical play.

01:13:43.080 And so I'm hoping they're okay.

01:13:44.220 I just want to say that.

01:13:46.060 If you were making this game, that the game was fundamentally racist and dehumanizing

01:13:50.640 of Japanese people in their culture, you would have realized this as a random, like

01:13:55.100 broadly sane human being.

01:13:57.800 They could have done a, oh yeah, they could have done a lot better.

01:14:02.500 Um, no, it's not a lot better.

01:14:04.180 They made a game that was racist that they were unable to see was racist because they

01:14:09.700 personally dehumanized Asians.

01:14:11.780 And this is a crosswalk culture where Asian do not matter.

01:14:16.040 They are not human because they are in the same category as whites and Jews.

01:14:20.040 Yeah.

01:14:20.340 Yeah.

01:14:20.700 No, it's definitely like the, the Jew dynamic of, of you can't be subject to racism if you're

01:14:25.300 doing really well in society in terms of like financial outcomes.

01:14:29.620 Yeah.

01:14:31.540 Now let's see what they wrote about us in this piece.

01:14:33.940 Cause you'll, you'll enjoy this completely fictional narrative here.

01:14:37.540 Okay.

01:14:37.880 And also went undercover inside the pro natalist movement, encouraging people to have more

01:14:42.300 babies, though only the right kind of people having the right kind of babies.

01:14:48.820 Yeah.

01:14:49.440 So like people who want children, people who want children, we are consistent about this.

01:14:55.320 He's implying that like, we mean like white people should have more babies.

01:14:58.420 Then what we mean is that dinks probably shouldn't be having kids.

01:15:01.220 And we don't want to pressure them to have kids because they've got bad, selfish, anti-pro

01:15:05.040 social genes.

01:15:06.020 We're like pro social, nice people who want to dedicate their lives to the future of our

01:15:11.040 civilization, having more babies.

01:15:12.420 And they don't like that.

01:15:13.460 They're not in that group.

01:15:14.260 So they have to recategorize everything we say as meaning something else.

01:15:17.920 How dare we not coerce them handmaid's tale style into having kids.

01:15:21.420 It's their fetish.

01:15:22.420 They're so sad.

01:15:23.100 I love that they sent us a thing beforehand where they're like, you don't want everyone

01:15:26.120 having more kids.

01:15:26.900 You just want like exceptional people having more kids.

01:15:29.120 And we're like, yeah, cause we like define that by people who are willing to sacrifice

01:15:33.180 their lives for future generations.

01:15:35.020 As we have said many times in multiple videos.

01:15:37.800 Anyway, global figures as powerful as Elon Musk have scaremongered about declining birth

01:15:42.840 rates leading to the collapse of society.

01:15:44.380 But while the pronatalist movement at large paints itself as interested in increasing fertility

01:15:49.820 wholesale, Schulkman's investigations have found that, quote, the quantity of babies

01:15:54.520 being born is less important than their genetic quality of their parents, end quote.

01:15:59.440 Schulkman met undercover with the Collinses.

01:16:01.640 This was his interpretation of our words.

01:16:03.880 Well, and also it's very rich that they would word it that way because if parents in this

01:16:10.260 movement believed that they had high genetic quality, we wouldn't be doing polygenic risk

01:16:15.480 score selection.

01:16:16.960 Yeah.

01:16:17.240 Right.

01:16:17.460 Like this is the weird thing that's always surprising me where people are like, you're

01:16:20.740 having kids because you think you're genetically superior and you do polygenic selection.

01:16:25.300 And I'm like, those two things are opposites.

01:16:28.880 People who think that they're genetically perfect don't do genetic selection on their embryos.

01:16:34.760 We do genetic selection for cancer in our family while also looking for little side nuggets.

01:16:41.220 All right.

01:16:41.940 Side nuggets.

01:16:42.760 Of benefit.

01:16:43.520 Schulkman met undercover with the Collinses.

01:16:45.900 A married white couple.

01:16:49.500 Dun, dun, dun, dun.

01:16:50.740 We need to have like spooky music.

01:16:52.700 Spooky, scary, white couple.

01:16:56.160 Spooky, scary skeletons and shivers down your spine.

01:17:01.200 You know, he's a white couple, right?

01:17:03.760 Like he's got a girlfriend.

01:17:04.960 He's got a girlfriend.

01:17:05.940 Yeah.

01:17:06.320 Well, maybe, hopefully she'd better not be white.

01:17:10.120 Well, I don't.

01:17:10.760 I'm just saying.

01:17:13.340 Who used to be tech workers and venture capitalists, but have now dedicated their lives to becoming

01:17:17.940 the most famous faces of the pro-natalist movement.

01:17:20.120 Though they publicly disavow racism and reject the label of eugenicist, they believe that

01:17:26.600 not enough quote unquote smart people are breeding and have endorsed the racist great

01:17:31.080 replacement theory, which one, we have not.

01:17:34.420 Anyone who watches this show knows we do not.

01:17:37.500 We endorse the greater replacement theory, which is a joke around autists having more people,

01:17:42.860 a joke at the expense of great replacement theorists.

01:17:45.380 So, this is just factually untrue and fabrication, but should we expect anything else from leftists

01:17:52.360 or from the government at this point?

01:17:54.500 But yeah, we do claim that not enough smart people are having kids because like every scientific

01:17:58.940 study that has ever been done shows that there's a huge correlation between intelligence

01:18:02.760 and genetics.

01:18:04.440 And that correlation is also directly correlated to low fertility rates.

01:18:08.280 I love in their piece on this, they're like, if genetics, a geneticist wouldn't use

01:18:11.280 that term, or like not a geneticist employed within the urban monoculture, but like a sane

01:18:15.520 person who can see the world would.

01:18:19.420 It's one of the things, it's like one of these lies that the urban monoculture makes

01:18:22.580 everyone tell this, like obviously like a religious thing and like not like true.

01:18:28.480 Like, you know, as I've always said, like when my colleagues at Sanford are like, oh,

01:18:32.300 well, yeah, I grew up poor and everything like that, but I achieved all of this through

01:18:35.540 hard work and determination.

01:18:36.640 And, and the, you know, the other people in my community didn't, I'm like, well, I mean,

01:18:40.220 your genes probably played a pretty big role.

01:18:43.000 And they're like, no, no, it was just me.

01:18:46.200 And I'm like, well, you know, you, Mr.

01:18:49.420 Whatever this guy's real name is, who went to Cambridge and who has had an incredibly easy

01:18:54.200 life because of that, pretending that this unearned privilege, your genes that you had

01:18:59.400 access to and other people didn't have access to, that that is something that you shouldn't

01:19:04.500 have to recognize when contrasting yourself with less privileged individuals, that is

01:19:10.140 disgusting.

01:19:10.980 And you will be remembered in the future, very negatively for it, not accepting and admitting

01:19:18.660 unearned privilege.

01:19:20.160 You were born with is horrified, but let's go further reading Shulksman's reporting on the

01:19:26.660 Collins because he read his reporting on us who earlier this year published a podcast episode

01:19:32.200 titled would taking away women's right to own properties, solve the fertility crisis

01:19:38.780 co-westion mark, by the way, the answer that was a question mark, the answer in the episode

01:19:46.340 is no, it wouldn't.

01:19:47.940 We said, yes, it may cause a short-term upturned blip in fertility, but it would not serve the

01:19:52.700 question long-term.

01:19:53.440 But of course they lie.

01:19:55.420 Progressives always lie here.

01:19:57.440 I need to put the clip from that show that you have where they're like, yes, we lie all the

01:20:01.020 time now because we're the party of lying because we dehumanize the other party, even though

01:20:05.220 the other party doesn't lie that much anymore.

01:20:06.720 And we just say, oh, yes, yes, yes.

01:20:08.420 We are the, the liar, liar extraordinaire.

01:20:11.500 The new rules are these attack, lie, don't get caught.

01:20:17.220 Machiavelli wrote the prince for the rulers.

01:20:19.960 Well, we're rewriting it for us.

01:20:22.300 Made me wonder what he discovered about the links in the far right between white supremacy

01:20:27.060 and misogyny, quote, the statistics speak for themselves, end quote.

01:20:30.500 He told me he estimated about 90% of people he met across various far right networks were

01:20:34.820 men.

01:20:35.420 I let the statistics speak for themselves.

01:20:37.460 He estimated.

01:20:38.760 Uh, okay.

01:20:40.600 So he made up a number, quote.

01:20:42.680 It was six months before I met a woman for this project, end quote.

01:20:46.400 Well, he did come off very incel-y.

01:20:48.380 Did he come off as like the most incel-y of incels?

01:20:50.820 Like he's hanging out in like Ed Dutton's network.

01:20:53.740 I don't, no, no, no, no, sorry.

01:20:57.560 Nothing against Ed Dutton, but I bet his gender statistics are far to the male of our gender

01:21:02.800 statistics.

01:21:06.080 What?

01:21:08.060 Yeah, I don't know.

01:21:09.000 I mean, like he chose who he engaged with.

01:21:11.500 He chose to engage with dudes.

01:21:13.280 There are plenty of women.

01:21:15.760 There are plenty of women in the movement.

01:21:17.260 The dissonant right.

01:21:17.800 The dissonant right.

01:21:18.380 The dissonant right.

01:21:19.360 Like probably more than 50% women.

01:21:21.160 Like he's just probably misogynist himself and doesn't think of the women that he's

01:21:26.360 meeting with as worthy of talking to.

01:21:28.000 That's my guess.

01:21:30.600 Look, we keep seeing this misogyny and, and, and, and, and, and rabid racism and dehumanization

01:21:36.920 of other ethnic groups in the left.

01:21:38.180 Like it's, what do you expect?

01:21:40.200 Right?

01:21:40.400 Like with that Smithsonian thing that we've gone over in so many things.

01:21:43.400 Oh Lord.

01:21:44.220 Literally one of their groups was like, well, hard work and honesty and coming to work on

01:21:48.800 time.

01:21:49.000 These are all white people traits.

01:21:50.420 And it's like, that is violently racist.

01:21:54.580 You're a mainstream government funded left-leaning organization.

01:21:58.040 Like that's insane in the United States.

01:21:59.700 I put that out.

01:22:00.920 Anyway, quote, the sexism in these groups is absolutely pervasive.

01:22:05.220 End quote.

01:22:05.620 He says, end quote, in different ways, there would be people.

01:22:09.620 I met more in the manosphere who listened to pickup artists podcasts, who practiced ways

01:22:17.060 they could hoodwink women into bed with them.

01:22:19.800 Others were more trapped in their outlook, whether they claim to venerate women as baby

01:22:25.700 making machines, or whether they saw them as intellectually inferior creatures, end quote.

01:22:31.920 Being around a, quote, a barrage of regressive and violent views.

01:22:37.200 It was depressing and disappointing, end quote.

01:22:39.780 It was actually interesting.

01:22:40.840 When they sent out this stuff to us before this article went live, they interpreted a lot

01:22:45.380 of, like, very normal stuff we said as racist.

01:22:48.860 And I think a lot of the racism that he was experiencing was completely within his mind.

01:22:54.100 One of the things they wanted to talk on is, the Cullenses said behind closed doors that

01:23:00.440 Black people score lower on IQ tests than white people.

01:23:04.940 Can you believe they would say this?

01:23:07.180 And then I was like, you know, that's just like a fact.

01:23:09.900 And I gave him, like, the Wikipedia page on, like, achievement gaps.

01:23:12.280 Like, all civil rights organizations are trying to lower this gap.

01:23:16.020 This is a fact that everyone knows.

01:23:17.840 Then he's like, and they said that you shouldn't be overly broadcasting this in public.

01:23:21.880 It was like, yes, that's a fact that every civil rights advocate knows, right?

01:23:27.120 You were the one who heard that and then interpreted it as Blacks are inferior to whites.

01:23:34.240 Not us.

01:23:35.460 We didn't say that.

01:23:36.680 We stated a fact that in your weird, bizarre, dehumanizing brain turned into Blacks are worse

01:23:44.720 than whites.

01:23:45.400 And I bet you heard so many facts about women that you turned into horrifying stereotypes

01:23:52.800 about women in your addled, misogynist mind.

01:23:57.560 Here's an example.

01:23:59.000 A conservative may state a fact.

01:24:01.560 Women are more interested in being submissive in sexual situations

01:24:06.180 than men are.

01:24:07.880 They consume more content around submission than men do.

01:24:12.760 And even when it comes to things like being choked and sexual violence,

01:24:17.500 watch, read A Billion Wicked Thoughts.

01:24:19.160 It covers this very mainstream, very sad thing.

01:24:21.080 It's the leftist saying, or the pragmatist kind of sexuality.

01:24:23.780 It's just, like, really clear in the statistics.

01:24:25.660 This stuff is coming from women.

01:24:27.300 Men did not make Fifty Shades of Grey, a best-selling book.

01:24:30.400 Now, you may hear all of those facts and hear me say, men should abuse their wives.

01:24:38.100 That is not what I said.

01:24:39.680 I stated uncomfortable facts that we need to address.

01:24:43.500 But because conservatives are the only people who tell the truth anymore, you can't stand

01:24:48.560 to hear the truth and then say, and now let's find out how we deal with this.

01:24:52.520 How do we build a culture that works admitting that these facts are true?

01:24:58.460 And I think that's the other problem.

01:24:59.940 I think one of the reasons why groups like Hope Not Hate are flailing so much to find

01:25:05.320 these hate groups to expose these people is they need this community to exist because they

01:25:14.980 they don't actually have the agency or capability to solve the problems they propose to solve,

01:25:22.100 like racial achievement gaps insofar as race is a thing, you know, like inequality in society.

01:25:29.860 They don't have the wherewithal or ability to solve these problems.

01:25:35.380 And if these hate groups that they need to exist cease to exist or cease to not be real or

01:25:40.900 show themselves to not be the things that they're trying to make them into,

01:25:44.260 these people have nothing to do and then no one to answer for except for themselves as

01:25:49.640 to the like why their their values are not being maximized, why their initiatives are failing.

01:25:56.920 This is why we're an existential threat to them, which we've increasingly seen to be the case,

01:26:01.600 because we have been very successful at actually stamping out racism in the far right of American

01:26:08.100 politics.

01:26:08.580 If you look at this presidential cycle versus the presidential cycle before, before people had a

01:26:13.300 non-racist way to talk about whether it's human genetic differences, which again, don't cluster

01:26:20.260 under ethnic groups in an extreme way. You can watch any of our episodes on this and where they do have

01:26:25.180 any clustering there. They change so quickly, you know, with like the average person in the

01:26:30.920 developed world going to be one standard deviation lower in IQ. Watch our episode on idiocracy if you

01:26:35.480 want to learn more about that. Like that, like ethnic differences wouldn't matter if that was the

01:26:39.740 case, right? So like none of this stuff matters. And when we fight all of this with facts and evidence,

01:26:45.560 when we point out, you don't need to worry about Latin Americans replacing us. They have like a super

01:26:49.460 low fertility rate. Latin America fell below replacement rate collectively back in 2019 and

01:26:54.500 is falling way faster than the U S Latin America is getting close to Korea levels in many, many countries.

01:27:01.080 Like the situation in Latin America is bad. And then groups are like, Oh, I used to think I needed to

01:27:06.700 worry about like Latin American immigrants. But I now realize that we're just sending them to cities

01:27:10.660 where they're having their fertility shredded. Like they're as much of victims by the urban

01:27:14.520 monoculture as us. And there are a bunch of tradcast families. Yeah, we should work together. And this

01:27:18.620 is partially why Latin American families are moving over and moving over and not just tradcast. A lot of

01:27:23.140 them are converting to Protestant to them, converting to mainstream American culture. As they move to the

01:27:28.920 right to defend their children from these, well, you know, scary, scary groups. These groups are now

01:27:35.000 realizing, Oh my God, the, the, the scary, like nutter actual fat, like, like, like people with

01:27:41.840 like actually unpalatable opinions on the right was like Nick Fuentes around race and stuff like that.

01:27:46.800 They've disappeared from the public narrative. They're gone. The racists are gone. They left the

01:27:53.080 building. Now the right is the side of equality. And you can see this in the data. And we have been for

01:28:00.340 the long time, because you can see that the more right wing a district was historically,

01:28:06.540 the smaller, the gap between both IQ and earnings between its ethnic minority population,

01:28:12.900 be they black or Hispanic in its white population. That's the crazy thing. Is it,

01:28:16.280 if you actually want to address achievement gaps, if you're actually looking to what groups are

01:28:21.680 reducing achievement gaps, when it comes to earning educational attainment, likely intelligence

01:28:26.700 tests, but this hasn't been looked at. Oh no, it's conservative groups. Oh no. Oh no. They're

01:28:33.740 the only ones who, when a lesbian woman comes to you and says, I keep getting assaulted by when,

01:28:40.820 by men claiming to be women on women's dating apps. Can I please have one dating app where people

01:28:47.020 can't just claim to be trans? And I'm not even saying that trans people can't be on the app.

01:28:51.620 I'm just saying non-passing trans people can't be on that. That was the case in the Australian

01:28:55.540 court case. Oh, tickle versus giggle. Yeah. Where the woman got sued. She had a, she allowed

01:29:00.780 trans people on the app. They just had to be passing. They used a face recognition thing,

01:29:04.060 right? Like, yeah, I can understand why a lesbian would want that. And they're like, shut up. You

01:29:08.780 disgusting woman. Let the men make decisions about what you lesbians get to say is safe.

01:29:16.760 If you say you don't feel safe going to your nightclubs, because now there's random men who have

01:29:20.700 learned they can just claim to be trans. I don't believe that a sex pest would do that. And it's

01:29:25.840 like, why would a sex pest not do that? If you give them permission to, I'm not saying trans people

01:29:30.900 don't exist. I'm saying that if you uncritically accept anyone who says they're trans is trans,

01:29:35.940 sex pests will use this to harass lesbian women. You stopped protecting women. You stopped protecting

01:29:43.600 gay men when you allowed people to use their identity to push agendas and hurt children.

01:29:51.460 And gay men, they don't want this. They're not on board with this. And yet you claim to speak for

01:29:57.040 all of them when almost half of them don't support you anymore in the US. They were the ones who won

01:30:02.000 all these rights. They were the vast majority of the early gay rights, LGBT rights, I'm sorry, now

01:30:06.600 activists. Now let's continue here. One of the most significant ways the far right is succeeding

01:30:12.400 is in making the more extreme views palatable to the mainstream is by scapegoating migrants

01:30:18.740 during a cost of living crisis and blaming them for Britain's decline. Did Schulkman come away from

01:30:24.380 his investigation with a better sense of how so many men are getting radicalized? Quote,

01:30:29.720 there are various explanations for radicalization, some of them competing, some of them competing ones,

01:30:37.440 he says, in quote, though, the one he favors most is called, quote, significant quest series,

01:30:44.780 in quote. So keep in mind, he just dismissed that immigrants have anything to do with the cost of

01:30:50.720 living crisis. He's like, this has nothing to do with anything, nothing to do with the economy,

01:30:55.500 nothing to do with the amount you get paid for a job. The number of people competing for a job

01:30:59.500 has nothing to do with how much you're earning for that job. That is just a denial of reality.

01:31:05.500 He's a journalist, not an economist, Malcolm. Give him a break.

01:31:09.680 No, he's a psyops guy and not somebody who has your best interest at heart. But let's see what

01:31:15.840 he does think is leading people to the right. Or the idea that people's needs for social standing

01:31:19.920 and belonging can lead them to extreme beliefs. Oh, they're just not loved enough. People who are,

01:31:25.640 quote, knocked by a difficult experience, in quote, can lose sight of their own value in the world.

01:31:31.360 Maybe they've fallen into alcoholism, or their family was torn apart during a divorce,

01:31:37.740 quote, devastating setbacks, quote, like that, Schluckman says, quote, can shake your feeling

01:31:43.620 of personal significance. And you want to get it back. And some people will seek to get it back in

01:31:49.340 extreme ways, in quote, except we know the mental health steps. You knob. All of the mental health

01:31:58.280 problems are way, way, way, way bigger on the left. You guys are barely able to keep yourselves from

01:32:05.440 sticking a knife in your throat every morning. If you look at left wing white women under the age of 30

01:32:13.380 in the United States, over half of them have a major mental health problem. The more the urban

01:32:18.940 monoculture infiltrates a group like the LGBT community, the more likely they are to attempt

01:32:23.680 to unalive themselves. And you can say, well, that's because they're oppressed. Well, if it's

01:32:31.000 because they're oppressed, why has the rate been going up as you guys have gained more power?

01:32:36.080 Why has the rate been going up as their rights have increased? It's because it's not because they're

01:32:41.520 oppressed. It's because your entire social system is killing them. Just so you understand how severe

01:32:49.340 this trend is, not only has Pew data, since the data started recording happiness levels on the

01:32:55.760 Democrats in the United States versus Republicans in the US, always said that Republicans were

01:33:00.020 significantly happier. But recently an AI was trained to determine people's political affiliation

01:33:06.340 by looking at their face. And it did to composite images. It could determine it with 60%

01:33:11.500 accuracy. And the two core things that differentiated right-leaning faces was that

01:33:17.140 they looked happier and that the women were more attractive.

01:33:21.120 It's killing the people it touches. When you tell somebody you just need to live your life doing

01:33:27.720 whatever makes you feel good in the moment and be affirmed for whatever you want to believe about

01:33:32.220 yourself and never have to experience a single negative emotional stimuli, because what are trigger

01:33:36.420 warnings? What is their panic around Bopgate, around us saying that corporal punishment is good and

01:33:41.280 the research obviously says it's good. If you look at the research, it's like modern. A new study came

01:33:45.620 out recently on this. I just keep being vindicated. The vindicators. If you're wondering why they come

01:33:52.100 to adopt these beliefs when you remove any negative stimuli for them and you just tell them to do

01:33:55.420 whatever makes them happy in the moment, be validated for whatever you want to believe about

01:33:58.240 yourself. And then I, somebody who has a degree in neuroscience, who has been published in the field,

01:34:03.080 who has an exhibit still on display at the Smithsonian, who has worked at UT Southwestern, a very

01:34:08.140 respected medical institution in this field. Like people are like, did you work as a neuroscientist?

01:34:12.400 Yes. I worked at the neuroscience for four years. And then I worked adjacent to neuroscience and brain

01:34:16.760 computer interface for two years. I have extensive experience in this field. If I told you, well,

01:34:22.820 you know, if you actually look at the research and not like the weird lefty capture stuff,

01:34:26.080 I could tell you that if you remove any negative emotional experience for someone, they're going to

01:34:30.100 become hypersensitized to them and freak out whenever they encounter them, which is why things like

01:34:34.620 trigger warnings and removal of corporal punishment and removal of exposing yourself to negative stimuli

01:34:40.180 cause a severe negative backlash. And they're like, wait, we are the ones causing all the mental pain.

01:34:46.760 That can't be the truth. I'm like, really just look at like mainstream psychology textbooks, anything

01:34:51.980 other than like from the past 15 years or so. And you'll see that like, we used to always know this.

01:34:57.260 All of the data always pointed this out. Like you shouldn't be doing this. You should not be removing

01:35:01.800 negative emotional stimuli from people. And yet you built an entire cultural ecosystem because

01:35:06.240 that's what the urban monoculture is that's dedicated to this. But anyway, what are your

01:35:10.880 thoughts, Simone? I'm really alarmed that this does seem to have government association. I thought

01:35:19.920 things were kept at least a little separate, some separation of church versus state, because

01:35:25.960 ultimately, you know, the urban monoculture is a religion in the end. To understand what she means

01:35:30.780 when she says that, when I talk about the areas where they just deny both observable reality and

01:35:35.360 science, you know, I've mentioned a few here. A great example of this is like trans people in sports.

01:35:40.240 Anyone can look at a picture of Leah Thomas and be like, that person obviously had the same

01:35:44.400 advantage a male would have, maybe slightly diminished rate of hormones competing in that

01:35:48.140 competition. I can look at the studies. I can look at the difference in her results when she identified as a

01:35:53.900 man versus when she identified as a woman and just see, yeah, she had a huge advantage. And to say

01:35:58.920 otherwise, it's a religious belief, because it goes against observable reality, it goes against

01:36:02.300 common sense, and it goes against scientific data. Have you actually ever met Heather Swanson?

01:36:06.860 No, I've never competed against her before. No. She's not exactly your average trans athlete.

01:36:12.280 Honestly, I find that kind of bigoted, David. Okay. Heather Swanson is actually joining us now.

01:36:17.780 Ms. Swanson, how does it feel to be competing today?

01:36:22.380 Now that I can compete as female, I'm ready to smash the other girls.

01:36:26.880 I'll continue.

01:36:29.440 I'm scared. I'm scared about it. I mean, just even going through this podcast and realizing

01:36:34.680 there are so many things and examples that we can't even reference at this point because

01:36:38.520 of already how much things are being censored. I have my doubts about how the future is going

01:36:47.140 to play out now. And I am more concerned than before. I think a lot of people who've already

01:36:51.700 been affected by this for a long time are like, I told you so, this is really bad. My hope is that

01:36:57.160 perhaps with the US election, we could see a tide turning. I think that with some-

01:37:03.660 They were already seeing a tide turning. They got rid of the old conservative party and replaced

01:37:07.000 them with this, I forgot what it's called, the new party, but they're like actual conservatives.

01:37:10.000 Yeah. So maybe, maybe we'll see, we'll see, we'll see a market correction of all this. And if that

01:37:17.160 happens, that is, is great. You know, I don't think, no, I think that we're seeing a market

01:37:24.040 correction in terms of public sentiment. I think the public now knows the concentration camps are

01:37:29.780 active. They're up in arms about it, but the cult has stronger and stronger control of it ever did

01:37:35.800 than the sources of power of our society, whether it's government bureaucracy or the bureaucracy of

01:37:40.320 large companies. The only thing we can do is replace them or recapture these institutions or

01:37:46.140 run reconquistants on these institutions. That mean people in positions of power need to hire

01:37:51.200 consultants like us, like we're willing to do this for you. We have anti-bigot.com that

01:37:55.440 eventually will turn into a consultant website to go through any of your organizations and run DEI

01:37:59.580 remediation, remove the individuals who are promoting bigotry, hate, racism, sexism,

01:38:07.880 xenophobia, and calling it anything other than those things. Because unlike the classic DEI consultants

01:38:13.960 who promote this type of bigotry, we don't come in and make you lose money. We come in and help you

01:38:19.380 remove people. We come in and help you cut the fat. And we only take money based on how much fat we cut

01:38:25.500 successfully, by the way, without losing you money. Yeah. Well, okay. So there's, there's hope. I

01:38:33.280 don't know. I'm just. Well, there is a hope about people like us. We need to continue to grow. There's hope, not hate.

01:38:37.640 You guys need to like and subscribe. Like and subscribe. Okay. Please life and describe. Yes. That would be

01:38:46.920 appreciated. I love you, Simone. You are a great wife. And it's so funny when I hear him be like, oh, these people

01:38:51.920 are desperate. I know nobody on the right who comes across as like mentally unwell. Like none of the

01:38:56.360 major figures, except for like the ones who have been sort of isolated from the movement, like Nick

01:39:01.020 Fuentes, who like doesn't really talk to any of the mainstream players, but like the people that they've

01:39:05.260 been trying to cancel recently, you know, your Johnny Anomalies, your Raw Egg Nationalists, they all seem

01:39:10.920 like super like mentally healthy, happy people with spouses. And, you know, like we're trying to do

01:39:19.460 good in the world and. You're trying to make the world a better place for their kids.

01:39:23.420 Well, and at great personal risk, which makes them more admirable because now that, that I see

01:39:29.120 in greater clarity, what they're up against. And one, I mean, I do understand why they started out

01:39:37.560 trying to be anonymous. I think maybe when they first started posting, they, you know, we lived in an

01:39:43.480 age where it was maybe possible to be anonymous. But I mean, now that I see like how much people are

01:39:49.180 being attacked. I get it. Well, and you can see how these groups twist reality. So someone like

01:39:53.880 Kevin Dolan, right? Kevin Dolan, one of the sweetest guys I've ever met. Maybe he said something

01:39:58.580 racist in the past. I don't know. That doesn't mean that that's who he is today. And I would point

01:40:05.100 out that the areas where they have quote unquote caught him for saying racist things, it turns out

01:40:08.740 they were just lying. Like in the piece where they point out, he said that they said Kevin Dolan said

01:40:14.260 Jews were nexus of evil. They published this twice in two different pieces. The actual tweet said

01:40:19.120 the county of Santa something in Florida. It's the county where Fort Lauderdale is. It's the nexus

01:40:23.960 of evil. And they- Man, we would just say all of Florida is the nexus of evil. You didn't know the

01:40:29.380 Jewish population of that county. They then decided to interpret that through their incredibly

01:40:34.140 anti-Semitic racist view of reality as Jews. Now this organization didn't. Some other crazy person

01:40:39.700 online decided to. And then this organization uncritically was out looking for the source tweet,

01:40:44.440 decided to just regurgitate. If it fit their own biases and prejudices, they're willing to

01:40:51.280 regurgitate it. Now they've since corrected this, which I appreciate. Let's see if they correct other

01:40:55.600 things like saying that we support great replacement theory, which we never have.

01:40:59.420 Well, that wasn't hope, not hate. That was the mill that did that.

01:41:03.420 Yeah, that was the mill that did that. Yeah. No, no, great. What they do still have on their site about

01:41:07.260 us, which is just factually untrue, is they say bad genes are coming into the country. They say bad genes are

01:41:12.560 having more kids and bad genes are coming into the country. We have never said bad genes are coming

01:41:15.440 into the country. We have said actually good genes are coming into the country. If anybody has watched

01:41:19.160 like any of our immigration stuff, I think we talk about like the selective pressures at play

01:41:23.260 basically to to immigrate in in many, many, many cases requires a level of we'll say fitness. You

01:41:31.100 could argue genetic fitness that is quite high and that the populations that immigrate are typically

01:41:36.840 the smarter, the educated, the first first squeeze immigrants. I will say, I won't say all immigrants

01:41:43.920 fall into this camp. You know, when you're talking about refugees and stuff like that, no, especially

01:41:47.880 well, so then there are different types of immigrants. If you're talking about a population

01:41:51.660 of immigrants that is going somewhere to get completely supported by the government and proceed

01:41:56.500 to not work, you're not selecting for the most agentic high achieving people because those

01:42:05.020 aren't those people. If you are talking about a group of people who through great personal risk

01:42:10.820 came to another foreign land that they weren't familiar with, and then it proceeded to attempt

01:42:17.220 to build a life for themselves and make their own income there and generate tax revenue and build a

01:42:22.360 family there. That is that's more than I've done. Yeah. And I would say that a lot of these people,

01:42:28.180 they just can't handle the reality that most of the right is actually pretty pro legal immigration

01:42:32.720 of high-skilled immigrants. 100%. Even Trump tried to pass a law that would make it easier for them

01:42:37.120 to immigrate into the country and the leftist killed it. Well, and his current policy is if you

01:42:41.360 get a college degree in the U.S. Yeah. Any college degree in the U.S., you automatically get citizen.

01:42:46.440 That is- I don't know. I don't know if it's citizen. I think it's like green card or something

01:42:49.560 or like- No, I think it's citizenship. I think it was that severe. It might be green card,

01:42:53.020 but- But no, I mean, he definitely, yeah, he's trying to say like, we welcome outsiders who are willing

01:42:58.260 to contribute to the United States. And I think that's the big issue. And that's,

01:43:00.580 that is kind of the issue with immigration across the world is that there is a need in many, many,

01:43:08.940 many nations for these people who are willing to immigrate and contribute and build. And there's

01:43:13.580 a lot of damage being incurred by countries who have very generous social services that then

01:43:19.520 subsequently support people who are not willing to contribute. And that's a big struggle.

01:43:25.360 Yeah. Yeah. No, you're, you're absolutely right. And I, it's just sad that it's reached this stage

01:43:31.780 that the, the enemy of, of pluralism, the enemy of freedom, the enemy of fair democratic processes,

01:43:40.360 because there is nothing you can say, but that this organization is not pro fair democratic processes.

01:43:45.760 If it's using money to support one party and attack another party, public money.

01:43:49.300 Yeah. Yeah. Well, it is, it is, it is the urban monoculture. It is the left and all you guys

01:43:55.920 can do is vote. Yeah. Wherever you are in the world, vote, vote, well, both vote politically. And

01:44:03.580 also with your pocketbook, you know, support organizations, products, services, and politicians

01:44:10.080 who. Anyone who watches this is in the Trump administration, let us know. We want to work.

01:44:15.240 We want to help dismantle this thing. You don't need to pay us. I just want a future for my children

01:44:21.200 that isn't the fascist dictatorship that the Democrats are currently working towards.

01:44:27.280 Just appointing camel. I love that. Just like we, we don't, you know, we don't do primaries anymore.

01:44:32.480 That's for the oligarchs to decide. Oh, well, anyway, love you. I love you. And I, I also wish

01:44:40.320 all the best to the real Chris Morton, whatever, whatever his name is. I don't, wherever you are,

01:44:46.160 dude, really doxed. Yeah. And we, we, we didn't put your fake passport on the internet attempting to

01:44:52.720 hurt you anyway. Anyway, we, we have very good reason to believe that there is this connection

01:44:57.520 here and it seems like the best way to do it. You know, if, if you actually were just breaking the

01:45:02.900 law. You wouldn't have done that if you were actually just breaking the law because you were

01:45:07.140 not, you're, you're a smart person and we know that. Yeah. You went to Cambridge, you wouldn't

01:45:10.680 take that risk. I don't believe that somebody did that would take that risk. Exactly. And I will say,

01:45:15.200 we wish you all the best. You know, it's very important that the people we have named in this

01:45:20.220 episode that you don't, you know, find their addresses, find their personal information.

01:45:25.700 Yeah. Or anything like that, you know, that's really a bad thing to do. That's a bad, it's a

01:45:33.060 bad use of already strapped resources. Like when we had CPS come to our house, all I felt was just

01:45:38.160 mortified that this resource, they could be helping someone else. Like they could be helping children

01:45:43.520 who really needed help. And they were sitting there, you know, they had to go through our entire

01:45:47.820 house, go through our fridge, go through everything else, you know, like, and, and they knew it was

01:45:52.900 fine, but they had to come out because they were, we, you know, people reported us so much. So yeah,

01:45:57.040 don't, don't play those games. You're not just hurting the people involved. You're hurting the

01:46:01.700 local government. You're, you're draining resources and goodness knows we don't need any more of that

01:46:06.300 in this world. So thank you. And when am I making you for dinner tonight? Do we, we still have some

01:46:13.140 meat left over from yesterday, right? No, I don't think there's, but I can make you more

01:46:17.580 with less Penang sauce this time. Cause I know it was very good. And I absolutely loved it.

01:46:25.980 And did you want that with cornmeal muffins? Yeah. Cornmeal muffins would go great with that.

01:46:30.940 Okay. Cornmeal muffins. So people know this is slow cooked beef with Penang sauce, slow cooked

01:46:36.000 until it's like a mush, right? And then Penang sauce. So it's like a forever soup meat with a lot

01:46:40.420 of vegetables in it. And then we're going to put that on cornmeal muffins. And then for dessert,

01:46:44.700 describe the cake you made. Cause it's so good. Ooh, we can put the recipe in the description.

01:46:49.180 I asked perplexity for a pumpkin cake because we had bought a bunch of decorative pumpkins and I just

01:46:55.900 cut them open with the kids and we made free to local fair. Yeah, we got them for free to local

01:47:01.480 fair. So that's perfect. Freebie pumpkins to make that. We have, you know, we, we, we harvest our food

01:47:05.820 from local events and yeah, just ask perplexity to make recipes for what's in the house. And so we made

01:47:11.580 this with a buttercream frosting because we didn't have cream cheese in the house. We have lots of

01:47:15.920 butter and it is, they are amazing. So this is for our daughter's birthday. So one of the, and you

01:47:22.840 made the frosting from scratch too. Yeah. Yeah. And I will share the recipe for both for the pumpkin

01:47:27.620 cake and the buttercream pumpkin frosting. Highly recommend. They're really good. And I worked at a

01:47:33.980 cupcake shop for like a year. I've, I've had a lot of cupcakes and a lot of cake, a lot of cake,

01:47:40.780 and it's really good. So AI makes great recipes. Yeah. Oh, by the way, final thought before we head

01:47:47.940 out. And I was just thinking like, he's met these people, you know, like to say that they went to

01:47:54.700 the far right because they lost all hope or something like that, or like we're alcoholics

01:47:59.860 or like didn't have a family. Like he knows us. He knows that we chose to give up careers

01:48:05.780 in venture capital and private equity, good careers. You have a graduate degree from Cambridge.

01:48:11.860 I have a graduate degree from Stanford to pursue this because we believe it's what's right. You

01:48:16.880 can look at somebody like Elon, what he's given up to pursue this. You can look at somebody like

01:48:20.520 I mean, maybe it's fun. He worked for like black, he worked for some big organization like that.

01:48:26.600 He left to go do this. A lot of us are actually really high-skilled professionals who very clearly

01:48:34.740 left that life and the privileges that came with it to try to make the world a better place.

01:48:39.540 You don't see this on the left. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Bye. Love you.

01:48:47.100 Wait, what are you wishing about? A little bit. Okay. I'm going to blow it. Go ahead.

01:49:02.780 But why was this so red?

Based Camp - October 23, 2024

The Deep State's Attempt to Dismantle the Pronatalist Movement (A Spy Went After Us And We Can Prove It)

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