Based Camp - The Effective Altruism to S＊X Work Pipeline

00:00:00.000 With the grooming gang pipeline in the UK, there was obviously a sort of plan intention,

00:00:06.780 like we are going to begin using these young women as economic assets. 1.00

00:00:10.580 We're going to go out and find them.

00:00:11.760 But the same general dynamic happened organically, like the women in this case found the EA 0.99

00:00:17.800 community and they selected into it.

00:00:19.980 But the same dynamic started to play where they essentially first got love bombed and

00:00:24.360 they were vulnerable and they were kind of disassociated from their home community at

00:00:28.220 that point, distinct from the rest of society, they fell into this community and then they

00:00:33.440 started getting passed around.

00:00:35.160 Butters, do you have a problem?

00:00:36.400 All these are kissing fellers and they haven't figured out that they can be making some serious

00:00:40.380 money.

00:00:41.280 And it creates these giant black holes in their resumes.

00:00:44.500 Oh no, right.

00:00:45.620 If you have this big employment gap.

00:00:47.580 Yes.

00:00:48.040 And that's why they get trapped because now they can't do anything else.

00:00:51.120 And now the type of guy who wants a long-term partner doesn't want to marry them.

00:00:55.760 And I'd point out, none of this happens intentionally.

00:00:57.580 This is basically the story of the EA community as it relates to women.

00:01:02.300 In an effort to raise money, I came up with a nifty plan where she'd date guys and charge 1.00

00:01:06.740 them money.

00:01:07.260 I go on dates all the time with a whole bunch of, you know, boys and stuff.

00:01:10.960 And I kind of need somebody to help me out.

00:01:13.100 Like, you know, my partner in crime.

00:01:15.020 Yeah.

00:01:15.220 Thanks so much for asking.

00:01:15.920 She said she needed my help to make sure that the dates went okay and that the guys

00:01:19.300 paid her. 0.99

00:01:20.220 Oh my God, you were a pimp. 0.94

00:01:21.680 What? 0.99

00:01:22.300 God, no.

00:01:23.600 No, I was just trying to help a friend.

00:01:24.860 And wouldn't you know it, some of Brenda's girlfriends decided they wanted to be a part 0.95

00:01:29.660 of it, decided I shouldn't use my real name.

00:01:33.980 So we came up with the name Gator. 0.98

00:01:36.540 I'm telling you, you were a pimp. 0.97

00:01:37.880 No. 0.98

00:01:38.700 Are you even listening to the story?

00:01:40.980 Would you like to know more?

00:01:42.120 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:01:43.820 I have had my perspective changed pretty dramatically on polyamory recently.

00:01:49.360 The effective altruist community slash the rationalist community slash the singularity

00:01:53.280 community, because they sort of all come together into this Silicon Valley diaspora community

00:01:57.720 or wider sort of Silicon Valley.

00:01:59.660 I don't know what you want to say at the heart of the Silicon Valley ecosystem at the

00:02:03.380 moment.

00:02:03.520 And it's been pretty dramatic because I used to have this perspective of being okay with

00:02:10.760 sex work more broadly, not religiously speaking.

00:02:14.040 I'm just like legally speaking.

00:02:15.640 Okay.

00:02:16.260 Legally.

00:02:16.980 Wow.

00:02:17.320 Okay.

00:02:17.480 Where are we going with this?

00:02:18.540 I'm so curious.

00:02:18.880 What I mean is I think that all of this stuff is against the Bible.

00:02:22.760 I think it is against what you're supposed to do.

00:02:24.960 Right.

00:02:25.140 But if you don't follow the Bible or any other religion that's against it, you still think

00:02:29.420 this is not...

00:02:30.460 Even legally, it might make sense to make this stuff illegal.

00:02:32.780 Oh, just because basically logistically, it produces bad outcomes from a societal level,

00:02:41.120 on a personal level.

00:02:42.580 Deleterious outcomes for many of the people or most of the people involved in a way that

00:02:47.500 they would want at the end of the pipeline to be like, I wish I had never gotten into

00:02:51.920 the beginning of that pipeline.

00:02:53.280 In the same way drugs or gambling might create that scenario for an individual.

00:02:57.420 But even more dramatically, it changed my view on polyamory.

00:03:00.860 Which I used to be pretty okay with.

00:03:03.860 If people don't know polyamory, this is where you take multiple other partners, most partners

00:03:08.200 just sort of sleep around.

00:03:09.600 Well, no, not necessarily.

00:03:11.220 Someone who's polyamorous just isn't exclusively romantically attached to people.

00:03:16.600 So maybe one partner is monogamous and the other one's polyamorous.

00:03:19.760 And as long as the monogamous partner consents to the polyamorous person having other partners,

00:03:24.100 then it's still a functional relationship.

00:03:26.400 It's not like everyone in a polyamorous relationship has to sleep around a ton.

00:03:30.200 Yeah, true, true.

00:03:30.860 You could have one person sleep around a ton.

00:03:32.580 And there are forms of polyamory that I'm still okay with.

00:03:35.360 Oh, really?

00:03:36.520 Oh, okay.

00:03:37.360 Wow.

00:03:37.780 So this is very intriguing.

00:03:39.460 Very spicy.

00:03:40.340 Yes.

00:03:40.620 We actually talked in a previous video about how a style that some women have used to secure 1.00

00:03:45.480 high quality mates that we have seen be successful is to propose polyamorous relationships

00:03:49.880 that were married relationships and then use that to get the guy to marry them, have kids 1.00

00:03:54.880 with them.

00:03:55.260 And then as the guy got older, he stopped caring about sex with other random people.

00:03:58.280 There you go. 0.83

00:03:58.580 Because as somebody was saying in the Discord, non-reproductive sex gets gross when you get 0.82

00:04:02.300 older.

00:04:02.660 And I actually, I hate to say it, like, kind of does.

00:04:06.180 Well, I don't know. 0.97

00:04:07.400 Does non-reproductive sex with a 20-year-old get grosser, Malcolm? 0.96

00:04:11.900 Or is it just with older women? 0.98

00:04:13.240 Because I've...

00:04:13.620 Oh, that's an interesting point.

00:04:15.800 I mean...

00:04:17.120 If I had a stable of 20-year-olds, I'd have a stable of 20-year-olds, which I need. 0.91

00:04:21.880 Can we work on that for when I'm dick litter? 0.77

00:04:23.780 Hey, hey, hey, I'm not... 0.90

00:04:24.960 Oh, my God.

00:04:25.460 There's such a funny video.

00:04:26.440 So Freedom Tunes does these great shows.

00:04:28.520 We inject them in our videos all the time.

00:04:30.160 They did one recently where the Democrats were trying to run a scam on old people to

00:04:35.180 get the money that they used to be getting from USAID.

00:04:38.200 And one of them gets to the place and somebody takes the phone from the old woman and he's 0.95

00:04:43.380 like, who is this?

00:04:44.080 Is this you, Chuck Schumer?

00:04:44.880 And it's pretty clear into it that it's Elon Musk.

00:04:47.820 And he goes, if I catch you here again, I'll impregnate you.

00:04:53.040 Oh, my God. 0.80

00:04:54.760 That is...

00:04:55.360 I want that to be Elon's stereotypical attack on people now. 1.00

00:04:59.820 You come here again and I'll knock you up, you fat bastard. 1.00

00:05:05.280 You wrinkly old piece of... 1.00

00:05:06.980 You know, whatever. 0.95

00:05:07.800 So anyway, point being, I need to make that my thing.

00:05:10.160 Like, I can't do that because I'm like with a woman who I love and like...

00:05:13.420 I'm known for knocking up random people.

00:05:16.420 Give me a billion dollars and I might change my tune on this, right?

00:05:19.500 Oh, my God.

00:05:20.460 All I'm saying is...

00:05:21.880 I think that people can find sex to be arousing in the right scenario.

00:05:31.160 And I imagine, you know, your point there.

00:05:33.560 But...

00:05:34.000 So the point here I'm making, EA to sex worker pipeline.

00:05:38.500 Because it's a real thing.

00:05:39.400 And I didn't realize it.

00:05:40.460 Okay.

00:05:41.280 Wow.

00:05:42.420 That is...

00:05:44.400 EA.

00:05:45.220 I mean, EA.

00:05:46.760 And rationalism more broadly, too, in Silicon Valley culture are all associated with very, like, cerebral, intelligent, thoughtful, altruism-focused.

00:05:57.440 Not, like, where is the sex and debauchery?

00:06:02.320 Come on.

00:06:02.740 You remember the first time I took you to, like, singularity, singularitarian or rationalist or less wrong party, right?

00:06:08.620 You know, so...

00:06:09.440 Yeah.

00:06:09.740 It was at some house called Tortuga, right?

00:06:12.120 Yeah.

00:06:12.360 It was El Tortuga.

00:06:13.260 And I was like, you know all these parties have orgies in them, right?

00:06:15.860 And you're like, no, I don't.

00:06:17.460 It's just a bunch of nerds.

00:06:19.080 And I was like, don't open that door.

00:06:21.060 And you're like, oh, okay.

00:06:23.500 I didn't open that door.

00:06:24.480 No, what happened was we went, and it was, like, a normal, I mean, of course, frumpy house, because it's in the Bay Area, and all the houses in the Bay Area, pretty much.

00:06:31.980 Oh, sad.

00:06:32.660 Yeah, just very sad.

00:06:34.220 And we went there, and we talked to people, and at some point, someone was like, do you want to switch outfits with me?

00:06:40.220 And I thought that that was a weird question.

00:06:41.760 And then when we left, you were like, that person was inviting you to an orgy or something like that.

00:06:48.040 And I was like, I have no idea what...

00:06:51.480 I literally remember opening a door.

00:06:53.620 That's something I don't forget.

00:06:55.240 I didn't open it.

00:06:55.920 Well, okay, keep in mind.

00:06:57.160 Like, maybe I have some kind of, like, selective blackout.

00:07:00.680 I went to Burning Man and have no memory of being exposed to any sex or drugs.

00:07:05.140 Okay?

00:07:05.800 Like, I may just not, like, literally, like, a muggle in magic. 0.68

00:07:12.460 Like, okay, well, then, okay, as an outsider, EA, the Effective Algebraist Community, and the larger, like, less wrong community and everything like that has always been intimately connected with both partner sharing, polyamory, and orgies.

00:07:25.680 Is it just sort of like a futuristic, advanced vision?

00:07:29.980 Because part of me thought that all of the sexual weirdness of the Silicon Valley movement really had to do more with the San Francisco associations.

00:07:41.780 I mean, that is where all the hippies...

00:07:44.020 I mean, that's part of it.

00:07:45.220 So this stuff isn't that radical for them.

00:07:47.480 But this community is very much about, like, first principles, thinking through why they do things.

00:07:51.780 Yeah.

00:07:52.020 So they'd be like, okay, from a logical perspective, if it feels good for you, and it feels good for somebody else, why wouldn't you do it, right?

00:08:01.500 That's the way they're going to think about it.

00:08:03.220 And then when they think about relationships, they're going to think, okay, you know, why do you have one partner, right?

00:08:09.640 Is it about jealousy?

00:08:10.700 Is jealousy a positive emotion?

00:08:12.600 Is, you know, that's the way they're going to engage with these ideas.

00:08:16.140 So it only makes sense.

00:08:17.580 It would actually be even weirder if they went into it from a monogamous perspective as a default.

00:08:22.020 And all of this makes sense when you think about it from the outside.

00:08:25.540 And then as to why so many people are drawn into it, even when they otherwise might not be, you've got to keep in mind why girls in the community get drawn into it, right?

00:08:33.180 Okay.

00:08:33.900 Girls in the, you know, rationality, singularitarian, less wrong community make up the vast minority of the community. 0.50

00:08:42.820 I'd say they're probably one in eight members or one in ten members.

00:08:46.620 Right.

00:08:46.820 Like, it's a mostly male community.

00:08:48.420 Actually, I'd go so far as to say they make up like one in, yeah, probably like one in eight members and a good 30 to 40% of the girls I've seen in the community are trans women.

00:08:58.480 Yeah, there's, yeah, there's, there's disproportionately more trans women. 1.00

00:09:02.800 And there are very few women. 1.00

00:09:04.060 I'd say because of trans women, it might be like two in eight or like three in, in seven. 1.00

00:09:09.540 Knocking the number of them.

00:09:10.400 Gosh, it can't be that there's almost an equal number of women to trans.

00:09:14.900 I would say there's almost one trans woman for every natal woman.

00:09:20.060 Like conferences, some conferences we've been to, for example.

00:09:22.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:23.180 So anyway, we'll put the trans women in a different bucket and bring them in in a second because when I first got involved with these communities, trans women were not on the scene yet.

00:09:30.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:31.300 And they didn't really play into the dynamic, but then they did later.

00:09:34.980 We'll get into that in just a second.

00:09:36.000 So anyway, because of this, you as a woman in this community have a much higher value than you would in almost any other culture.

00:09:45.820 Like, you can be frumpy and fat or, you know, lazy or whatever.

00:09:51.740 Not saying that people in the EA movement, actually, like, I think it attracts pretty attractive people.

00:09:57.420 But yeah, like, more on the attractive side that I've seen, actually.

00:10:00.920 But if you are attractive, oh my God, you're treated like a god queen by all of the, well, keep in mind, the guys in the community are often very different from the girls in the community.

00:10:09.160 To get in the community and earn status as a guy, you either have to move up one of the peerage networks, which means gaining access to funding streams, which then you can redirect to people below you in the peerage network.

00:10:22.380 Or you have to be a competent tech worker, which means you're typically making a pretty decent salary.

00:10:28.520 I'd say the average salary in the movement is probably these days at least half a million dollars.

00:10:32.020 Keep in mind, they're living in, like, San Francisco and Manhattan mostly, so they might not be living there.

00:10:35.300 Yes, you'd never know.

00:10:36.600 They look like they're poor.

00:10:37.820 Yeah, so anyway, you have all these guys in the movement who are earning tons and tons of money.

00:10:43.120 And then the women in the movement, even when they are programmed, well, they're not often programmers. 0.88

00:10:47.080 They're often, like, psychologists or neuroscientists or evolutionary biologists, which are all positions that, you know, sound super hard and everything like that.

00:10:56.620 But they don't actually earn much money.

00:10:58.260 And it's quite hard to find jobs for them.

00:11:00.700 And so you get into this community where your knowledge is respected, you are respected, and you can gain even more respect for sleeping with additional people.

00:11:11.040 Because if you're only sleeping with one guy, you know, that causes problems in the community, right?

00:11:15.560 Because, you know, there's only one woman for every, like, three or four guys, right?

00:11:18.880 So if you sleep around, you can gain status.

00:11:23.600 And then what happens is, oh, well, you're living in a city like San Francisco now.

00:11:27.020 You're living in a city like Manhattan now.

00:11:29.340 You can't really earn money with your evolutionary bio degree.

00:11:33.760 You can't really earn money with it.

00:11:35.680 Like, a neuroscience degree is actually quite hard.

00:11:37.180 I have a neuroscience directorate degree.

00:11:38.600 It's actually quite hard to earn money with it.

00:11:40.760 You can't.

00:11:41.580 No, it's true.

00:11:42.520 It's true.

00:11:42.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:43.880 It's your psychology degree or whatever, right?

00:11:46.200 And so, you know, some of the guys start to take pity on you.

00:11:49.160 And they'll give you money for sleeping with them. 1.00

00:11:51.200 And they'll let you stay at their place, which are usually pretty nice or interesting group houses.

00:11:55.260 And so you slowly work your way into this.

00:11:58.280 Oh, no.

00:12:00.320 Don't you want to start making some money?

00:12:02.560 Leave me alone.

00:12:03.880 Well, you were made for the playground.

00:12:05.060 You should be out there working.

00:12:05.900 Don't you want a new lunchbox?

00:12:07.560 Nice new coat?

00:12:08.360 I can get all that for you.

00:12:09.460 Butters, dude. 0.94

00:12:10.820 Oh, well, all I'm saying is the **** should be out there working is all. 0.92

00:12:14.160 What you doing? 0.94

00:12:14.680 **** just giving kisses to stand for free? 0.99

00:12:16.500 You should be making s*** money. 0.54

00:12:18.080 And it's very hard to not work your way into this. 0.83

00:12:20.700 This is where I went from, is this something that people are truly open-mindedly consenting to?

00:12:26.840 Or is it not?

00:12:27.840 Because before I had this perspective of, yes, but the women who are engaging with this community

00:12:32.520 are consenting to a polyamorous lifestyle.

00:12:36.440 Yeah.

00:12:36.980 And I have seen women enter the movement who are more monogamous.

00:12:41.700 So I'll note a few things.

00:12:43.300 The women I have seen engage with the movement who are monogamous are constantly pressured to sleep with other people. 0.99

00:12:47.460 Are they?

00:12:48.020 So what does that look like?

00:12:50.800 Because I just don't understand how the leap goes from being monogamous to being polyamorous within the movement.

00:12:58.500 And when you said that, oh, you can gain status by sleeping with even more people, you know, that runs against, I think, both my and most people's intuition.

00:13:07.780 Because the mainstream response is taking on their partners.

00:13:12.400 It's self-shaming.

00:13:13.000 Like, you lose value when you are less exclusive as a woman on average. 0.61

00:13:16.580 And it's weird that one community would, like, defy these laws of nature.

00:13:20.540 So let's talk about why this happens.

00:13:22.760 Okay.

00:13:23.300 Okay.

00:13:23.760 So first, what does it look like to have your boundaries pushed?

00:13:27.700 What happens is a lot of men in the community, if you say, I'm a monogamous or something like this, they really take that as a, oh, so I'm not supposed to tell your partner about us sleeping together.

00:13:37.680 But that's what that means to them.

00:13:40.260 And because other women have said that to them in the movement and, you know, not been actually monogamous, and it's happened enough, they now just don't sort of respect those words very much and will be fairly aggressive with people because it's what's expected. 0.51

00:13:54.020 I mean, this is the way things work.

00:13:55.500 If you expect to be able to do something, you're going to keep pushing for it.

00:14:00.200 Like, why are you being weird about this?

00:14:01.900 Why are you acting like a weird conservative Christian? 1.00

00:14:04.800 People in our community don't do this.

00:14:06.380 And I remember within the community, even thinking that the people who didn't sleep around the women specifically, that was the only ones I was thinking of who are more monogamous.

00:14:13.240 I remember thinking they were really weird.

00:14:14.880 You?

00:14:16.220 Yeah.

00:14:16.580 I was like, this is like, why are they like doing this?

00:14:19.080 And then the interesting thing is, and this always happened, is after one of the ones who was like monogamous broke up with their partner, then they'd become polyamorous.

00:14:26.480 Oh, wow.

00:14:27.560 Oh, because they were like a bunch of people simultaneously lined up.

00:14:30.660 Okay, because that was another thing.

00:14:31.840 I was like, how would your existing incoming monogamous boyfriend ever be okay with you becoming poly?

00:14:41.620 But yeah, relationships, especially when you're younger, are more likely to end.

00:14:45.220 And then what happens?

00:14:46.860 Yeah.

00:14:47.040 So you enter the community as a girl in a monogamous relationship often.

00:14:50.600 You may not go out of that relationship or anything like that.

00:14:52.520 But when that relationship breaks up, you've been going to enough parties, you've been being hit on by enough people.

00:14:56.700 And maybe it even starts off as like, you're contextualizing it as a rebound.

00:15:02.120 Like, oh, you're just having some fun one night stands, you know, to mend your broken heart after leaving, you know, a two year relationship.

00:15:11.840 And these guys are doing all the stuff for you, your boyfriend used to do.

00:15:14.260 They're paying for meals.

00:15:15.480 They might be paying for some of your stuff.

00:15:16.920 Yeah, those one night stands turned into, you know, every other night for a while.

00:15:21.580 Oh, and they don't expect fidelity from you because they're sleeping with other women as well.

00:15:27.520 Yeah.

00:15:28.160 So you've had these guys hitting on you.

00:15:29.960 You're not used to this, but you're like, oh, okay.

00:15:31.740 Like, you've been very interested in me for a while.

00:15:34.420 Like, let's hook up.

00:15:35.480 Oh, this seems like a normal relationship.

00:15:37.320 There's been some other guy who's been hitting on me.

00:15:38.980 Like, am I allowed to like see him on a date tomorrow or whatever?

00:15:42.240 And they're like, yeah, sure.

00:15:43.220 Like, you know, we bang the same chicks all the time, right? 0.99

00:15:45.980 You know, because they have disintermediated and it's seen as negative within these communities to feel jealousy.

00:15:51.580 Like, that would be like, why are you hoarding this resource, this woman, from other members of the community when we just want to use her for pleasure and it feels good for her too and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

00:16:01.540 And she's getting money from it and it's not like she has a job right now. 0.83

00:16:03.520 So, when you disintermediate a monogamous relationship, even if it is done on good terms, you turn the relationship into sex work.

00:16:16.380 And then you can't leave because you're stuck in San Francisco, you're stuck in Manhattan, you haven't had a job in how many years?

00:16:21.780 And let me explain what I mean by this.

00:16:23.960 Okay, me and you early in our relationship, I was like paying for you to go to college with my job, right?

00:16:29.480 And I paid for food and everything like that, right?

00:16:32.020 You know, there was a time in our relationship where I was the guy who was earning the money because I had the higher paying career, not anymore, but this is the way it worked, right?

00:16:39.540 And a venture capitalist at the time.

00:16:41.220 And that is a normal monogamous relationship in a lot of places around the world, right?

00:16:47.080 Now, where money sort of flows from the wealthier partner to the less wealthy partner and often that's from the male to the female, blah, blah, blah.

00:16:52.360 Anyway, that's monogamous, right? 0.53

00:16:54.120 That's something I can invest in and continue to build.

00:16:56.820 Yeah.

00:16:56.940 But let's sometimes like disintermediate that relationship.

00:16:59.480 Now, it's you and you're getting the same benefit, but from five different guys.

00:17:05.480 Right, yeah.

00:17:06.320 Supporting my room and board, et cetera.

00:17:09.140 Yeah, maybe they're doing a little less than I would do.

00:17:12.220 But it seems odd.

00:17:13.640 Like, why would you invest in someone if they're so fluid in your life?

00:17:17.580 This is the point here.

00:17:19.200 You are getting income.

00:17:20.720 Oh, it's becoming transactional.

00:17:22.140 And you are getting, yes, but you are not getting a real investment.

00:17:25.240 These guys don't care that you continue to build your career.

00:17:29.200 They don't care about investing in you as an asset because, same way as we've done another video on this, you need to own your wife. 0.95

00:17:36.160 You need to own your husband. 1.00

00:17:37.740 When I say own, what I mean is when somebody doesn't own a property or something like that, they don't invest in this.

00:17:42.680 This is what we've seen in communist countries.

00:17:44.460 Yeah, the incentives are misaligned.

00:17:46.120 You're not going to take care of that thing.

00:17:48.180 Well, yes, and it's because you don't benefit from that thing improving.

00:17:52.140 It was a great, it was sent to us by one of our fans, a green text post on 4chan recently about a guy and his wife who he had known since they were kids and had flirted with him since they were kids.

00:18:02.440 And they went through and read her diary about, like, when she first met him.

00:18:07.480 And so she's reading it.

00:18:08.680 It's very funny.

00:18:09.260 It's mostly kid stuff.

00:18:10.640 And then she gets, like, quiet when reading it.

00:18:13.380 And she's like, okay, I'm going to, like, she goes on.

00:18:16.660 She's not going to hide this from him.

00:18:18.080 But it's the first time she met him and he goes, and he's really nerdy.

00:18:21.420 So I bet he'll be rich one day.

00:18:23.140 I should date him.

00:18:24.020 And then he, like, thinks back to her always pushing him to get, like, the higher earning degrees, her always pushing him to, like, study more.

00:18:32.020 And he ends up this very successful guy.

00:18:35.260 And he's quite happy with his life.

00:18:37.040 He doesn't, like, hold this against her.

00:18:38.460 But the point here being is because they were in a monogamous relationship, she, from a Machiavellian standpoint, from a self-interested standpoint, had a reason to try to improve him.

00:18:50.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:51.120 She invested in him, believing him to be an appreciating asset that she hitched herself to.

00:18:56.700 Exactly.

00:18:57.340 And the women who are in these situations, they don't understand that these guys might have an emotional relationship with them, right?

00:19:05.440 Even an emotional relationship, if they even do.

00:19:08.440 Now, a lot of them don't, right?

00:19:09.380 Like, a lot of them, when the person I was talking to you about this said, you know, you think you're getting more love, but you're getting no love at all.

00:19:16.060 You think you're getting more people caring about you, but at the end of the day, it's all hollow.

00:19:20.320 And that is, you know, our biology is not meant to bond to somebody who we know that other people are sleeping with.

00:19:26.000 Like, that's just-

00:19:27.420 It would be, yeah.

00:19:28.920 Not as much for females. 0.95

00:19:29.720 More use of resources, yeah.

00:19:31.380 For females, and I think this is where women get tricked. 1.00

00:19:33.460 Like, women can bond to somebody who's sleeping with other women. 1.00

00:19:36.620 This is the type of polyamory where I'm actually, okay, like, if you're a rich enough guy and you have, like, multiple female partners, like, whatever.

00:19:42.620 Throughout all of society, throughout all of history, even in the most, you know, monogamous countries in history.

00:19:47.120 I'm mentioning, like, Louis XIV, like France, you know, like, Catholic country there, the height of the church.

00:19:53.740 You know, you still have regular mistresses and stuff like that.

00:19:57.180 So you wouldn't encourage our daughters to be polyamorous, but sister wives to a sufficiently wealthy husband, fine.

00:20:05.880 Yeah.

00:20:06.300 If they're marrying, like, a multi-trillionaire or billionaire, you know, I'm assuming money continues to debase.

00:20:10.980 Somebody who owns, like, half a Bitcoin.

00:20:12.920 You know, sorry, I'm joking.

00:20:15.700 Yes, sure.

00:20:16.420 But the point here being is that I'm, like, less, like, it intrinsically doesn't work in those scenarios, and it can allow women to get higher quality husbands than they otherwise would. 0.73

00:20:26.000 So I don't necessarily disagree.

00:20:27.660 I would have significant caution around it in these scenarios.

00:20:30.900 Significant caution, but I wouldn't, like, absolutely rule it out.

00:20:34.140 But, in the other way, one girl sleeping with, like, this destroys things. 0.90

00:20:41.660 Oh, it just, because it destroys this investment incentive, it destroys the core of the relationship.

00:20:48.080 But I want to talk about how women gain status by sleeping with additional partners, because this is also interesting.

00:20:51.740 Yeah, because, again, this seems so counterintuitive.

00:20:53.760 How can this be the case?

00:20:56.040 Okay.

00:20:56.340 So, because there is an expectation of polyamory in these communities, right, and even more than that, an expectation of polyamory, if I am a guy who holds some status over another guy, I have an expectation of access to his partners.

00:21:15.720 So, suppose you're at whatever EA peerage network or whatever, and there's a guy who's upstream in the peerage network of me.

00:21:23.520 My grants, my loans depend on him.

00:21:26.340 And we're at a party or something like that, right?

00:21:29.580 That guy is going to expect to at least be able to hit on, without consequences, whoever I am with.

00:21:37.640 Speaking of this, we got an email recently from one of our fans in the EA community, and he said,

00:21:42.240 Regarding your comments on sex work in EA, I heard a story related to the life extension organization SENS that I consider adjacent to EA.

00:21:50.060 Yeah, anything in life extension is basically part of this larger community.

00:21:53.220 The founder, Audrey Day Gray, was voted out of the organization for interfering with a sexual harassment investigation against him.

00:22:02.080 In particular, what stood out to me was one case of the harassment was him allegedly pressuring young women into making sexual slash romantic advances towards potential wealthy donors as a fundraising strategy.

00:22:12.660 I also remember hearing a very similar story about this, about that EA cult leverage.

00:22:19.040 And what leverage, one of the people who was funding it, and he was like, yeah, at one point, they basically came up with a scheme, which he was not into at all, by the way.

00:22:28.040 He's like, what are you guys doing, where they would brainwash young women and then try to pimp them out to the people who were giving them money to get more money.

00:22:36.820 Now, the way that they worded this is that they would do some sort of like work with the person that they would go in and, and, you know, they had reframed this not as sex work, but as some sort of like psychological session or something like that.

00:22:49.300 But it's, it's what it boiled down to.

00:22:51.060 So this is something I know that in at least two occasions, it's like allegedly been tried.

00:22:55.620 Now, suppose you're that woman, right?

00:22:57.560 And this guy is hitting on you.

00:23:00.500 It creates hypergamy and steroids because you have removed from the culture, any cultural penalty to sleeping around.

00:23:08.460 But if I start to sleep with this guy who's higher in the net, now suppose this guy has a lot of money.

00:23:12.900 Suppose he's got like a quarter billion dollars or half a billion dollars, or suppose he runs one of the largest organizations in the space by sleeping with him.

00:23:20.880 I can significantly increase the type of parties I'm getting invited to.

00:23:24.940 I can significantly increase the introductions I'm getting.

00:23:28.680 I mean, keep in mind, this is how Kamala Harris got her career started, right?

00:23:32.180 Remember she was sleeping with that guy when she was, who was in his sixties, when she was in her late twenties.

00:23:36.760 Oh gosh.

00:23:38.140 And he got her those early jobs and he convinced me this, right?

00:23:42.140 You know, you can move up really quickly as a woman when you're sleeping with people and there's no cost. 1.00

00:23:48.480 Well, yeah, if someone has an interest in opening doors for you, and especially if your career or work or ability to fundraise is contingent on your access to social networks, I could see that being.

00:24:01.200 But now you can't stop sleeping around, right?

00:24:03.260 Because you are now in a peerage network, which I call it a cult, whatever you want to call it, where polyamory is expected.

00:24:11.260 And you are now, they don't frame it this way, even in their own heads until they get out of it.

00:24:16.640 And this is the thing I've noticed about this pipeline is they're like, I had to stay in a sexual relationship with this person because I had other people.

00:24:23.680 But basically I had to go and sexually service this person to continue to get grants. 0.96

00:24:28.340 That's basically what ends up happening.

00:24:30.440 And if you don't believe that this is happening in the effect of altruist movement, go look on the boards of these organizations, the percentage of males and females.

00:24:38.740 You will almost always see a higher percentage of females. 0.99

00:24:41.320 How is that happening?

00:24:42.440 How could that conceivably happen given how rare women are in the movement, okay, if this was to any degree a meritocracy? 1.00

00:24:50.180 These women are getting these positions either for DEI-like reasons. 1.00

00:24:54.500 What if it's a selection thing because women are more likely to be interested in interactive, social-oriented roles, whereas men are more interested in object-slash-direct-applied science or action-related roles? 0.98

00:25:11.440 I think that would make sense in some context, but I think you just see it too frequently in this large, less-wrong EA space, like given the number of women versus their popularity on boards.

00:25:24.820 And I'd also note here if you're like, no, that can't be the case.

00:25:28.240 It is not due to sexual favors.

00:25:30.240 Well, then riddle me this.

00:25:32.240 How come, despite natal women and trans women existing within a movement at about the same rate, it's almost always natal women who have these positions?

00:25:44.140 The more sexual desirable class of women, because there's something in the back of somebody's brain who opens, sir, I can't. 0.96

00:25:51.560 However, I would note here, like, why do you get trans women in this movement as well?

00:25:55.240 Think about the status that can be gained versus the male side of the movement.

00:25:59.360 It's just so hard.

00:26:00.980 You really have to be putting money in to matter.

00:26:08.600 Yeah.

00:26:09.340 Well, I guess I don't know.

00:26:10.580 I don't know that many women who are in prominent positions. 1.00

00:26:15.060 The only one I can think of, like, in terms of, like, a famous EA company is FTX, and unfortunately, Caroline Ellison was.

00:26:24.040 Okay, that perfect example of everything I'm talking about.

00:26:26.760 I know.

00:26:27.460 That's why I'm like, oh, boy, this is not helping.

00:26:30.520 Because I'm trying to, like, trying to counter this.

00:26:33.660 Well, I don't want to name other specific companies because I don't want to call people out.

00:26:36.500 No, definitely not.

00:26:37.420 No.

00:26:37.660 At least there are, like, detailed books about, I mean, because of all the legal proceedings, too.

00:26:42.980 So, it's very public, the relationship status of Caroline Ellison.

00:26:46.400 Here's the other thing that's interesting about this.

00:26:47.820 And I don't, I have some theories on why this might be the case.

00:26:50.380 But within the movement, trans women are significantly more chaste and less likely to be in sex work or passed around than natal women. 0.52

00:26:58.260 That's interesting because one thing that's discussed about trans women in general is that it's extremely common for trans women to end up in sex work. 0.77

00:27:08.000 Just, like, broadly.

00:27:09.420 Like, non-EA trans women. 0.87

00:27:11.560 So, what's going on there?

00:27:12.980 Well, I think that that's actually more correlated to the cultures that trans women find themselves in.

00:27:19.180 Oh, and that, like, they're sort of, when you're a trans woman outside the EA world, it's a lot harder to get a job.

00:27:25.020 Whereas, if you're a trans woman in the EA world, you are more likely to just be a coward or, like, engineer or, like, I think that that's why. 1.00

00:27:33.600 Also, this kind of sounds so insensitive.

00:27:35.220 But I feel like a lot of the trans women in the EA movement are Asian.

00:27:40.360 And you're much more likely to pass and just look great as, so sorry.

00:27:45.320 But, like, I do think that if you pass as a trans woman, your life is going to be a lot easier.

00:27:50.980 And it's less expensive to pass as an Asian trans woman.

00:27:55.260 One of my favorite, I remember I was talking with somebody, and we're talking about, like, a trans woman.

00:28:00.420 We're like, does we pass?

00:28:01.920 And he's like, oh, yeah, like a Taiwanese woman. 0.99

00:28:04.420 Or, like, a Taiwanese twink, I think, is what he said.

00:28:08.560 And I was like, okay, that's a way to answer.

00:28:12.100 And it's funny because it's surprising, but it makes sense.

00:28:14.600 But, like, we all knew.

00:28:15.740 Like, yeah, I know what you mean.

00:28:18.220 Okay, that roughly makes sense.

00:28:20.060 Why do you think they are more chaste in general?

00:28:23.520 I think it might be because, one, they gain less by sleeping around because they're valued less as sexual partners.

00:28:29.820 So the cost to them of doing it might be lower.

00:28:32.400 Where they often got into the movement as, like, founders or engineers or coders to begin with.

00:28:39.100 So they had alternate income stream that necessitates it less.

00:28:42.920 And they often have, I mean, you know this from MRI scans, the brain of a man.

00:28:47.960 They better understand what men really want and what they're using women for. 0.97

00:28:51.700 And so they're less likely to have the delusion that a woman would have. 0.85

00:28:54.260 Because, remember, I said that women believe that if a – because they know that, like, if a man was sleeping with other women, they could still form an emotional attachment to that man.

00:29:03.000 And so they believe that a – and this is on average.

00:29:06.680 Obviously, not all women are like this. 1.00

00:29:07.940 Not all men are like this.

00:29:09.020 They believe that a man, when they're sleeping around, that men are still going to form an attachment to them.

00:29:15.120 And that's not necessarily the case.

00:29:16.380 Right.

00:29:17.040 They're sort of expecting reciprocity or that they're having a similar experience emotionally.

00:29:21.720 And I don't think trans women are that deluded.

00:29:24.860 They know what's up.

00:29:25.820 They're like, yeah, I've played the other side of this game.

00:29:28.380 Yeah.

00:29:28.900 So they see what's up more.

00:29:32.760 And keep in mind, I mean, we talk about the commonness of trans women in the movement.

00:29:35.660 There was that cult recently that some reporter called us to, like, do a piece on.

00:29:39.500 They started murdering people. 0.61

00:29:40.740 And they're, like, all trans women. 0.98

00:29:42.580 Oh, yes.

00:29:43.580 I guess we're choosing not to name them.

00:29:45.880 So many people are talking about cults.

00:29:47.360 The Zizians. 1.00

00:29:48.440 Yeah.

00:29:48.820 The Zizians. 1.00

00:29:49.620 But, you know, I've read some of their stuff.

00:29:51.640 It's interesting.

00:29:52.200 Like, I think – like, I disagree with them.

00:29:54.520 But it's one of these movements that I'm like, well, I disagree with you.

00:29:57.860 But, like, I see where your philosophy comes from in the same way I see it, like, where anti-Ningulate philosophy comes from.

00:30:03.740 Yeah.

00:30:04.080 Like, I don't think that it is –

00:30:07.200 There is a certain amount of logical consistency that you can respect.

00:30:10.460 Yeah.

00:30:10.680 There's a certain amount of logical consistency I can respect.

00:30:12.940 But a lot of the underlying assumptions are deeply flawed.

00:30:16.680 So all of this, like, putting all of this together for me has helped me be, like – the problem with the normalization of polyamory is that it leads to situations that women and men – men don't realize they're leading women to become trapped into sex work.

00:30:42.160 And remember, when I say trapped into sex work, nobody intends on this when this is starting, right?

00:30:47.020 Right.

00:30:47.480 Yeah.

00:30:47.780 It's a guy who's being nice because he's sleeping with a woman.

00:30:50.460 I mean, he's like, here's some money.

00:30:51.640 You know, I'm going to sleep wherever.

00:30:53.580 Well, here's what's really crazy.

00:30:55.220 Here's what's blowing my mind is when you described this process, you know, woman maybe who just recently moved to the Bay Area, right?

00:31:02.500 Like, somewhat vulnerable, kind of alone, meets a guy who introduces her to this community, who shows her a lot of love and support.

00:31:09.140 And then maybe for some reason she meets more people within that community or becomes sort of unmoored from it.

00:31:14.120 And then gets opportunities to – sometimes to her advantage – get intimate with other men within this community. 0.99

00:31:22.880 And then it happens more and more.

00:31:24.960 You know, when we talked about this in another podcast, do you know what the podcast was about?

00:31:29.420 What?

00:31:30.660 Grooming gangs in the UK.

00:31:32.300 Oh, yes.

00:31:33.740 That's what I'm thinking as I'm here.

00:31:35.440 I'm like, oh, my God.

00:31:36.480 And this, of course, like, I think with the grooming gang pipeline in the UK, there was obviously a sort of plan, intention, like, we are going to begin using these young women as economic assets.

00:31:48.540 We're going to go out and find them.

00:31:49.700 But the same general dynamic happened organically.

00:31:53.400 Like, the women, in this case, found the EA community. 0.84

00:31:56.380 You know, they selected into it.

00:31:57.960 But the same dynamic started to play, where they essentially first got love-bombed, and they were vulnerable, and they were kind of disassociated from their home community at that point, distinct from the rest of society.

00:32:09.340 They fell into this community, and then they started getting passed around.

00:32:12.660 And clearly, it didn't go as, I don't think it has gone as poorly for these women.

00:32:18.260 They're not, you know, kidnapped and beaten and everything.

00:32:20.500 Yeah, I think it does go, because it targets women who otherwise would be very high-value partners who could otherwise secure very high-quality men.

00:32:26.800 Yeah, that's the other weird thing about it, is instead of, like, women who have been cast off by society, who come from abusive households and who are young and vulnerable, like, it's instead, like, incredibly high-achieving, high-IQ, high-altruistic, high-conscientiousness women.

00:32:41.740 It's so weird.

00:32:43.600 And it creates, and this is the thing that's not talking about, it creates these giant black holes in their resumes.

00:32:49.020 Oh, no, right, if you have this big employment gap.

00:32:52.100 Yes, and that's why they get trapped, because now they can't do anything else.

00:32:55.640 And now the type of guy who wants a long-term partner doesn't want to marry them.

00:33:00.260 You know, the conservative guy who actually wants a wife.

00:33:03.000 And asks about her history, or, like, how many of her friends do?

00:33:05.840 About this, and she was like, I thought I was increasing my status, because I wanted a guy, I was like, no guy is going to, like, want me seriously if I'm a prude, right?

00:33:13.900 Like, they're going to be like, ew, gross, like, you don't sleep with lots of guys.

00:33:19.020 And what's interesting is this is a signal she would have gotten from guys in the community.

00:33:23.020 If she's signaling she was waiting to marriage or something like that to a guy in this community, they would have genuinely had the ew, gross reaction.

00:33:29.540 Like, why are you doing that?

00:33:30.820 But it is because they were not looking for a partner who was waiting until marriage.

00:33:35.520 They were definitely not, yeah.

00:33:36.420 They weren't looking for a long-term partner at all.

00:33:38.800 They were looking for a sexual partner.

00:33:40.800 And so that's why you would get rejected for them, and you confuse any sort of rejection with a meaningful rejection.

00:33:47.840 And as we said, like, a partner who rejects you isn't necessarily a bad thing.

00:33:50.780 It could be that you guys would form a terrible relationship with each other.

00:33:53.080 Yeah, totally.

00:33:53.660 Or they are rejecting you because they want something else from you, right?

00:33:57.760 Like, they are like you.

00:33:58.760 Like, that's weird to me.

00:33:59.560 Like, it's not normal within our culture.

00:34:01.780 And women are very sensitive to what's normal within a culture. 1.00

00:34:04.660 I decided to ask one of our friends who is in the community and has a very good sort of view of what's happening in the community.

00:34:11.560 And she added some additional nuance to sort of how this pipeline functions. 0.56

00:34:17.420 Specifically, it's a problem for new girls when they enter the community. 1.00

00:34:20.560 Like, she says once somebody's been in the community for a while, they either know what's up or they sort of get their place within the community or there becomes taboos around approaching them.

00:34:30.560 But for new people in the community, especially women in the community, all of the guys, especially the, as she put it, lemons, you know, the guys who are single or couldn't secure a partner or just sleep around a lot, those are the guys who all tackle these girls at once.

00:34:46.520 And if the girl doesn't have a lot of experience turning away guys or turning away attention, especially from guys who might be high status in the community, it goes very bad for them. 0.97

00:34:56.220 And when women like her try to warn new female entrants, it can come off like mate guarding behavior because they're like, oh, you just don't want me to have the guy or they they read it as something other than what it is, which is genuine concern for them. 0.97

00:35:10.840 And she was saying that if somebody takes like the concern seriously, if they don't jump immediately into polyamory when they get into the community, they're generally okay.

00:35:19.640 The problem comes when they do or if they they stay monogamous. 0.74

00:35:23.660 And she pointed out because maybe we gave the impression in one of our videos that the community doesn't accept monogamous people.

00:35:28.660 It absolutely does.

00:35:29.960 They're just seen as sort of weird.

00:35:32.520 And if a girl enters the community in a monogamous relationship, she's going to be heavily targeted. 1.00

00:35:37.640 And I will say, I know, you know, as somebody who's been adjacent to the community, the person who I'm talking to is not, I think, in a monogamous relationship.

00:35:44.940 So she might not be fully aware of how much individuals within the community don't respect monogamy. 0.74

00:35:50.680 They just don't do it publicly.

00:35:51.940 By that, what I mean is they'll still hit on somebody if they're in a quote unquote monogamous relationship and do so very aggressively and ask for sexual favors for things, even when the person's in a monogamous relationship.

00:36:02.920 Because I've seen this with my friends who will tell people I'm monogamous and then the community, you know, pushes them further.

00:36:08.880 So I thought all of that was very interesting, that this is a primarily new entrant problem.

00:36:14.860 But if you can prevent them from getting sidetracked, it's not as bad.

00:36:17.720 She says one thing that really helps is you can ask people in the community like, okay, who's the good guys who I can sleep with or who are the guys to actually target?

00:36:27.720 But she says the big problem with the Whisper Network is one, it's a rich get richer sort of a thing where the highest status guys just end up accumulating more and more because they're the ones who everyone knows.

00:36:36.440 Oh, this one's good, especially if you just want to sleep around or something like that.

00:36:39.380 And then there's a secondary problem. 0.75

00:36:40.540 It's that the queens of this network are often people like who, well, is, you know, an actual sex worker, right? 0.99

00:36:46.860 So it's going to lead to them recommending the type of guys who are already utilizing those pipelines, which can normalize transitioning into those pipelines.

00:36:57.420 Like, they are like you, like, that's weird to me.

00:36:59.480 Like, it's not normal within our culture.

00:37:01.560 And women are very sensitive to what's normal within a culture. 1.00

00:37:04.960 So if it's normal within a culture, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I've got to do this.

00:37:07.580 Or every guy's going to say I'm a weirdo.

00:37:09.420 Like some sort of religious nut job, right? 0.92

00:37:12.500 Which is what many of them frame their lives against because it's the background they come from.

00:37:15.740 The number one background from these women that I have seen, you know, Ayla's a great example of this, but it's the other one I've seen, is conservative evangelical households.

00:37:23.900 They come disproportionately for evangelical Christian families.

00:37:28.460 I do think Ayla's an important exception here, though.

00:37:31.160 One, my understanding is she got into camming specifically well before she ever encountered.

00:37:37.780 No, Ayla did not follow this pathway. 0.96

00:37:40.040 Yeah, not at all.

00:37:41.060 And I think she also.

00:37:42.500 But I think that she normalizes this pathway for other women. 1.00

00:37:46.920 Yeah, I think the other women don't understand maybe how Ayla got into this and her background and her proclivities and her preferences in her lifestyle as well. 1.00

00:37:57.160 Yeah.

00:37:57.380 Like she doesn't have the same end goal that most girls in the EA community have.

00:38:03.480 And she's very different.

00:38:04.120 It's a very unique case.

00:38:05.560 I don't think.

00:38:06.060 But I think that she, to understand a bit about her background, she genuinely had no other options.

00:38:11.160 She was working in a factory.

00:38:12.300 Oh, no, yeah, her life was so much worse before.

00:38:16.240 So much worse.

00:38:17.220 And then she joined like a streaming site where like she got into like LSD and drugs and stuff like that.

00:38:22.560 She joined a house with a bunch of people who were camming all together.

00:38:26.800 Yeah.

00:38:27.340 There were guys involved, basically.

00:38:29.540 It was just a bunch of, it was a, it was a great house. 0.95

00:38:31.520 And she always really enjoyed sex. 0.99

00:38:34.040 She is a naturally really horny person who's really interested in having sex with people. 1.00

00:38:40.020 And again, as Ayla said on the, in the early things, she's like, well, like, why would I deny men in my community this? 0.98

00:38:47.000 Right?

00:38:47.160 Like I enjoy it.

00:38:48.200 They enjoy it.

00:38:49.200 And they seem to need it for some level of like mental health.

00:38:52.220 And guys will argue this.

00:38:53.180 Like incel guys will argue this. 0.99

00:38:54.240 Like guys who don't have any sex at all, like have mental health issues. 0.53

00:38:57.620 So Ayla's even making the incel argument here. 0.99

00:39:00.360 Like, well, you know, the lower value men do need sex occasionally or they go crazy.

00:39:04.220 And this is the argument being made within like the EA less wrong community. 0.69

00:39:08.400 Right?

00:39:08.640 So I think that, like, I understand all that.

00:39:11.780 But for me, it's like, yeah, but as a girl, you have to be careful.

00:39:15.900 And I think the number one thing, and one of the reasons I'm making this podcast is maybe to wake somebody up who might be going down this pipeline and not realizing it.

00:39:22.880 Or might be in this pipeline and not realize it.

00:39:26.020 Yeah, I feel like it's never too late to step out.

00:39:29.940 Well, I mean, it is.

00:39:32.480 It can be too late to step out.

00:39:34.100 It can be very hard to step out.

00:39:35.180 But I think that it's easier.

00:39:35.940 Well, it only gets harder, though.

00:39:37.260 So it's not like.

00:39:38.340 Yeah, the earlier you recognize.

00:39:40.760 I mean, the best time to do many things is like three years ago.

00:39:44.360 But what you're going to do?

00:39:46.100 Yes.

00:39:46.760 And this is also a problem with things like OnlyFans and other types of sex work that can seem normalized.

00:39:52.180 Is that it removes your ability to get other jobs in the future or get partners in the future, depending on what type of work you're doing on it.

00:40:02.160 You can make it very good.

00:40:02.700 I don't know, though.

00:40:03.360 Like, I remember one of the editors for our book that we just hired through Upwork who, like, did pretty good work.

00:40:10.200 And, you know, whatever.

00:40:12.040 We randomly discovered she had an OnlyFans.

00:40:15.020 Yeah, but that doesn't mean that it worked out good for her.

00:40:21.000 I guess, yeah.

00:40:21.880 I mean, she was doing editing work on Upwork, and it's not like.

00:40:24.480 And people were like, well, you could earn a lot of money on OnlyFans.

00:40:26.500 And I'm like, if you could earn a lot of money on OnlyFans, then you could get a really high-quality husband.

00:40:30.800 Yeah, well, and why was she on Upwork if she was making enough money on OnlyFans to be there? 1.00

00:40:35.200 Right, right.

00:40:35.360 But the point being is, is, was OnlyFans.

00:40:38.220 And by the way, I heard some interesting theories after our OnlyFans video that OnlyFans actually got popular because people started using it to create the type of content that people are looking for these days.

00:40:45.480 It's, like, much more creative.

00:40:46.740 Like, anime, cosplay, Warhammer, cosplay, and, like, the old porn studio.

00:40:50.860 Clever.

00:40:52.580 Warhammer.

00:40:54.000 Sexy, Warhammer.

00:40:54.740 Of course.

00:40:55.840 Yes.

00:40:56.280 What is it?

00:40:56.660 Rule 64.

00:40:57.460 Like, if you just provide more customized live-action Rule 64 for those people who want live-action.

00:41:04.120 And that's another thing that people were pointing out in the comments of that video was that many of the people who were turned off by both, like, Disney character lunches and by strip clubs were also not that big into live-action erotic material.

00:41:20.780 Which, same goes for you, right?

00:41:23.200 Yeah, I am 2D.

00:41:25.240 I have the image of you. 0.98

00:41:26.540 I always say, like, whenever we're doing, like, 2D justice or, like, the 3D women are trash. 1.00

00:41:30.860 I always use the anime version of you as, like, my example of the perfect 2D woman. 0.54

00:41:35.060 But my point is that it seems that there's, like, a group, a rough grouping of people that really need, like, the human version and are really turned on by that.

00:41:47.660 And most of the Rule 64 stuff online is illustrations.

00:41:51.780 So OnlyFans may have been the first avenue to take Rule 64 en masse, on a mass-customized level.

00:42:01.020 Like, because, I mean, there's so many permutations, right?

00:42:03.000 I mean, like, oh, my gosh.

00:42:04.340 And then make that possible and bring it to scale.

00:42:06.840 That's so clever.

00:42:07.660 Well, I mean, because people create parasocial connections with characters within shows.

00:42:14.240 And one of the things that I noted, if you want to see one of our early, very early spicy videos, which is why you should prefer a husband who faps to pony porn from, like, the old bike.

00:42:23.920 I don't, by the way.

00:42:25.280 I said in the video, I immediately, the first thing I said in the video is I do not find this kind of erousing.

00:42:28.840 But I wanted to understand why people find it erousing, because, like, these things look nothing like humans.

00:42:32.720 And at the time, it was, like, the fifth most common category of porn.

00:42:36.820 It was, like, MLP porn.

00:42:38.020 I was, like, for the plot.

00:42:39.820 Yeah, I was, like, what the hell is going on here, right?

00:42:41.560 You know?

00:42:42.140 And my thesis was is that it was for men who preferred figures they saw as female, even to the extent that they would ignore that they looked nothing like a fertile human female.

00:42:54.200 Well, these men, because they have a strong sexual preference for characters or people they believe they are interacting with regularly in, like, a social context, like, their brain has been tricked into believing this.

00:43:06.660 To the extent that they will ignore that they look nothing like a fertile human female, they would likely also bond really strongly to a wife or long-term female partner.

00:43:14.140 I was trying to come up with a spicy hypothesis, but so many people were like, oh, this is proof.

00:43:18.360 And I'm like, gosh, you guys don't know what it is.

00:43:20.660 Like, no one has, it's interesting, no one has guessed what I'm into.

00:43:23.080 On any show I have ever seen.

00:43:24.840 Really?

00:43:25.480 Yeah, I guess I haven't seen any comments that, you know, I've seen a lot of really funny theories that have so far all been wrong.

00:43:31.960 That's really funny, actually.

00:43:34.140 Well, no, because the theories that I've seen focus more on things that would modify my social status in a positive or negative context.

00:43:41.900 Because I think that that's what people want to project onto influencers is, like, oh, he's into X-ing that's going to, you know, make him look subby or whatever, right?

00:43:52.660 Like, because that's interesting to them.

00:43:54.000 When, in reality, what I'd actually be into would just not modify – I mean, if people know of any unique sexual preference of an individual, they are going to use that to attack them.

00:44:08.800 So that's why I don't, like, mention anything like this.

00:44:12.720 But it's not something that's, like, uniquely embarrassing or anything like that.

00:44:16.160 It's not.

00:44:16.620 A great example of this happening to someone was Kenneth Bone or Ken Bone, that guy who asked a question in the first Hillary Trump election that was seen as neutral, and everyone was like, oh, that's so cool.

00:44:27.280 And so he went on all these talk shows afterwards, and he completely had his fame destroyed when people found out that he had – I don't even know if I'd say it's a fetish – but an arousal pattern with preference for pregnant women.

00:44:41.640 And people just thought this was – oh, wow, what a gross fetish. 0.96

00:44:45.660 And I'm like, that's, like – of all of the potential fetishes I could think of, it doesn't objectify women.

00:44:51.840 It's a normal thing.

00:44:53.400 It's, like – it maybe is, I would think, one of the least in terms of, like, unusual or specific arousal patterns that could be used to attack someone.

00:45:02.780 And yet it destroyed his entire fame cycle.

00:45:05.800 I note here that now we know because the texts from Elon have come out with the girl that he knocked up that he's, like, I can't wait to, like, come up.

00:45:17.300 He's using language, like, knock you up again and stuff like that that really comes off like somebody who has an impregnation fetish. 0.61

00:45:21.780 But to your point, the only fetish that is not a fetish is appropriate of sex. 0.99

00:45:29.420 That's what sex is for. 0.74

00:45:30.720 That's the one thing that's not a fetish.

00:45:33.340 That's the one thing.

00:45:34.560 Oh, my God, people.

00:45:36.820 Just understand what it's for. 0.99

00:45:40.240 Sex with condoms is a fetish, okay? 0.99

00:45:43.120 Sex with condoms is the most common fetish. 1.00

00:45:45.880 Of course. 0.99

00:45:46.280 Sex on birth control. 0.97

00:45:47.460 Yeah.

00:45:47.760 Any non-procreative sex, I must say. 0.98

00:45:51.020 It's like you have an active sign that this is non-procreative sex.

00:45:54.520 Like, anyway.

00:45:56.360 But, so, like, do you understand now how tempting this pipeline is for people?

00:46:00.220 And people can be, like, well, on OnlyFans.

00:46:03.160 And as I've said in the past, some women don't have any other choice for income, right? 1.00

00:46:06.160 Than this stuff.

00:46:07.740 Yeah, I guess that's where I also struggle.

00:46:09.600 I'm, like, well, why just not?

00:46:11.260 And I'm, like, these women aren't, you know, this is my, like, ultra ruthless approach. 1.00

00:46:16.320 I am more interested in keeping the few women who might be useful societal actors or potentially wives and really happy with that life, keep them from falling off the rails, than I would try to save the women who are just never going to be that good at anything. 0.99

00:46:32.920 Because it's differential utility.

00:46:38.820 It's have they decided to do something with their lives that removes their ability to be positive social actors in another context.

00:46:45.440 Yeah.

00:46:45.640 And so, I guess what I would say here is, while I wouldn't legally regulate this stuff personally, I would strongly shame it within our own family.

00:46:55.000 Yeah.

00:46:55.260 If it's in the context that significantly hurts someone's ability in a marriage market.

00:46:59.060 As I've noted, this isn't all OnlyFans.

00:47:00.780 Well, I would even dissuade our sons from being polyamorous because it's just a distraction from marriage.

00:47:06.940 No, it's guys.

00:47:07.520 It's a distraction from marriage.

00:47:09.360 If you, as soon as you encourage men to sleep around a lot after, like, age 23.

00:47:16.040 Here's, I agree with Zee after age 23.

00:47:18.460 Okay.

00:47:19.140 But there's a whole life you live before that, and unfortunately, a lot of your status in training depends on your ability to secure multiple partners.

00:47:27.280 I'm all for it, but also, like, you have to understand.

00:47:30.780 Men with minimal resources, which is typical for 23-year-old men who are not either completely drop-dead gorgeous or from families of means.

00:47:43.040 And sorry, Malcolm, you're just too beautiful.

00:47:44.780 Like, what are you going to do?

00:47:45.820 And very smart.

00:47:47.060 Like, you had all the cards. 0.95

00:47:48.920 Most pre-23-year-old men are going to, like, if they try to go on their most aggressive sex mode, slut mode, maximum, maybe two partners, maybe three. 0.79

00:48:01.480 Like, look, I'm not going to, what I'm going to say is I'm not going to shame my sons for getting multi-ball. 0.89

00:48:07.600 Now, people who don't know multi-ball in the old arcades, you get this mode if you, like, were, like, absolutely killing it.

00:48:14.080 We'd be like, multi-ball!

00:48:15.620 And it shoots, like, a bunch of balls into the center of the game board.

00:48:18.880 And, like, the reality is I do not know what social context they're going to be in.

00:48:25.280 The point I'm making is that multiple partners for men does not always turn out bad.

00:48:29.780 I am increasingly entering a mindset where I think multi-ball partners for women always turns out bad, which is very different.

00:48:37.720 And here, as I was saying for OnlyFans, I would not, for example, with my daughter, shame things that aren't going to significantly negatively modify their dating status, like feet modeling on OnlyFans or something like that.

00:48:48.360 Well, what about, I feel like we've already gotten to a place, this isn't intentional, I think, but we've already gotten to a place where people use filters to the point of not being recognizable.

00:48:59.060 If our daughters were utterly unrecognizable to anyone, but on OnlyFans, if it were completely anonymized, would you have a problem with it?

00:49:10.900 I think I think this is the question I ask.

00:49:14.640 Would I have a problem with it in a potential wife? 1.00

00:49:16.620 If it came out, if it was discovered.

00:49:20.160 Would I, no, would I, like if you told me I'm a 2X.

00:49:22.720 You as a prospective boyfriend, yeah, if I told you.

00:49:25.580 I, no.

00:49:26.900 Totally anonymous, Malcolm, totally anonymous.

00:49:29.080 I would care a lot less if it was totally anonymous, but I still would care a degree.

00:49:33.780 The reason I mentioned something like foot modeling is I wouldn't care if you were a foot model at all. 0.76

00:49:39.160 Maybe it's because I don't find feet arousing at all, but like I would just take this perspective of, oh, you conned a bunch of weird guys who had malfunctioning sexual systems.

00:49:48.080 Isn't this so interesting, actually?

00:49:49.760 Or ASMR.

00:49:50.620 If you did ASMR or like audio, like not say for audio stuff, I'd be like, whatever.

00:49:55.720 I've noticed a thing, not infrequently online, where people shame requests they've received online to see pictures of their feet and also make an effort to not post pictures of their feet online.

00:50:09.820 And that really confuses me because I'm like, dude, if someone gets erect when they look at my feet or your feet, like why no one is hurt.

00:50:19.340 It's interesting for me because like it has, I don't view it as like a sexual part of your body.

00:50:24.100 So like, I guess that maybe that's why I have so little like feeling like I would care.

00:50:29.040 Well, what if, what if, but what if someone else does?

00:50:32.160 I guess their problem is that someone else does.

00:50:33.860 It doesn't matter to me. 1.00

00:50:34.380 I view them as like pathetic. 0.99

00:50:36.320 Like, and like, I guess like they're just like nobody's. 1.00

00:50:41.860 They're, they're, they're the guy and like NTR porn who's like in the corner masturbating while you're sleeping with their girlfriend. 0.96

00:50:49.080 Like there is a huge difference. 0.94

00:50:52.200 And this is actually interesting when we talk about like the woman on stage thing and stuff like that.

00:50:57.400 While I might find it really disgusting to be giving a woman money who's like on a porn stage or something like that. 0.99

00:51:06.020 If I knew some other guy was gooning over a porn stage that I was successfully having with someone, I would be like, oh, he's just like a pathetic simp. 0.95

00:51:15.020 And this further solidifies my own status as the dominant male in this scenario, which doesn't like, I wouldn't say I, I, I would actively get off to like sharing porn I had made with you, but I wouldn't find it. 0.98

00:51:29.440 It wouldn't make me more gross of you. 0.97

00:51:32.620 Yeah. 0.90

00:51:32.820 I'd be like, whatever.

00:51:33.480 But you sharing that without me, it's like, you're cutting me out of dominant thing.

00:51:38.920 And you're, you are saying, okay, well, all of you guys have some potential to be at the same level of my husband.

00:51:43.760 But why would it still bother you if I had a history on OnlyFans fully anonymized?

00:51:49.120 Like I did it as a VTuber, for example.

00:51:51.900 Because you had a large community to believe, oh, a VTuber?

00:51:56.780 No, I'd be totally okay if you were a VTuber.

00:51:58.440 Well, that's totally anonymized.

00:52:00.560 Right.

00:52:00.860 I thought you meant like face changed with AI or something like that, but they're still seeing you.

00:52:05.240 Or like the skin of my body also mildly changed.

00:52:09.860 You know, like everything's just slightly manipulative.

00:52:12.140 Nothing is, is 100%.

00:52:14.140 I wouldn't care that much if you, if it was like actually, well, no.

00:52:17.800 If guys, like it would matter a degree, but the more you do this, it gets closer to not mattering.

00:52:23.060 It's closer to foot modeling than it is to real like OnlyFans or even porn. 0.77

00:52:28.300 And, and I should note that for me, like if we have this, this thing between foot modeling on OnlyFans and you having sex with other men for money or you having sex with other men. 0.75

00:52:38.520 And then people are watching porn of that. 0.70

00:52:40.400 If you take a you naked on OnlyFans, it is, and we're talking about like a 10 yard foot line here.

00:52:46.500 It is one foot away from the foot modeling.

00:52:51.040 Okay.

00:52:51.260 Wait. 0.98

00:52:51.540 So, so what would you do if you had a daughter with a really, with a really high sex drive? 0.98

00:52:57.640 What? 0.99

00:52:58.420 If you had a daughter with a really high sex drive, who's like, but I. 0.94

00:53:01.400 I mean, that's the point I'm making.

00:53:02.600 Did you, did you understand the analogy I just made?

00:53:04.600 No.

00:53:05.760 Okay.

00:53:06.380 You have two things on the side of the screen here.

00:53:09.200 All right. 0.79

00:53:10.080 On one side here, you have actually having sex with someone on a camera for money. 0.97

00:53:14.620 Okay. 0.64

00:53:15.460 Over here, you have foot modeling on OnlyFans. 1.00

00:53:18.340 Just being naked on OnlyFans is like over here for me in terms of how gross it would make a potential wife. 1.00

00:53:24.540 Okay. 0.60

00:53:25.400 It's not like in the middle.

00:53:26.840 It's not like closer to here. 0.94

00:53:28.520 It's like, these guys were something over something they never really had access to, which just makes it seem like, well, pathetic simps to me. 0.94

00:53:36.880 Right.

00:53:37.180 Like that's not really, my wife was using this, you know, without actually giving them anything.

00:53:44.160 And so like with a daughter, I might be like, well, maybe find ways to engage with that.

00:53:48.460 Or if she had a really high sex drive, I'd be like, write romance books for other women. 1.00

00:53:51.840 And get really good with sex toys, I guess. 0.92

00:53:53.760 Yeah, I mean, I'd say that, and again, I'm not going to like force my daughter to do anything, but in terms of the best path forwards, I think that you damage enough of your value as in sexual marketplaces, or marriage marketplaces, I should say, by sleeping around a lot.

00:54:12.500 It's just not worth it for women, really, in almost any circumstance.

00:54:17.100 Oh, wait a second. 0.99

00:54:20.700 You could just encourage them to be lesbians for a while. 1.00

00:54:23.760 Would that bother you? 1.00

00:54:25.100 If I was like, well, I was a lesbian slut. 0.99

00:54:27.060 The Bible's not against it. 1.00

00:54:28.160 Yeah, but if I were a lesbian slut earlier, would that bother you? 0.99

00:54:31.500 How does that compare to another? 1.00

00:54:32.660 Oh, that would make you higher value.

00:54:34.400 Okay.

00:54:35.160 So if we have a high... 0.98

00:54:35.920 That would make you, I'd select with like a lot of gold star lesbians. 1.00

00:54:38.540 Well, not a lot, like four or five.

00:54:40.060 But they're like, they're like the same in status.

00:54:44.780 They're higher.

00:54:46.000 Okay, okay. 0.97

00:54:46.700 So a woman with a high sex drive... 1.00

00:54:48.180 ...orgy is high in status. 1.00

00:54:49.160 Gold star lesbians are at a totally different level. 1.00

00:54:51.240 And I say this because we found, from Malcolm's research doing the Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality, 0.88

00:54:56.780 that women are just a lot less more to primary and secondary sexual characteristics. 0.79

00:55:01.820 In other words, their orientation isn't really gay straight. 0.96

00:55:04.760 It's more dom-sub. 0.99

00:55:05.840 And so if you really have a high sex drive, the way to go is lesbianism for a while. 1.00

00:55:16.320 If you have some kind of penis fetish, there are so many different types of vibrators and dildos and everything else. 1.00

00:55:22.860 But here's the thing about... 1.00

00:55:24.220 Well, penetrative sex with a lesbian is a little different. 1.00

00:55:27.320 Oh, is it? 1.00

00:55:28.180 Yeah, very few lesbians do it, though. 1.00

00:55:29.940 Oh, okay.

00:55:31.060 But anyway, the point being is that...

00:55:32.840 So wait, okay, wait, hold on.

00:55:34.080 So like...

00:55:35.940 God, there's so many rules.

00:55:37.340 This is complicated, Malcolm.

00:55:39.220 But hold on.

00:55:39.800 I might be unique in this, and people can sound off the comments, but like my...

00:55:45.020 I've heard of some guys, and actually this makes me really look down on a guy when I hear this.

00:55:49.320 I don't want to say this before I say sound off in the comments.

00:55:51.440 But when a guy's like, ew, it's so gross that my girl, you know, is hooking up with another girl,

00:55:56.160 and now they want, like, both want to, like, hook up or whatever, right?

00:55:58.900 Like, I'm like, how is this a problem for you?

00:56:01.040 Like, guys who get sexually insecure about...

00:56:05.460 Other women. 1.00

00:56:06.340 Yeah, that is weird.

00:56:07.880 With other women. 0.73

00:56:08.600 Yeah.

00:56:08.800 It comes off as really, like...

00:56:10.940 Yeah.

00:56:11.680 Like, I don't want to say, like, not even beta, like, omega, like...

00:56:15.380 I don't know what it comes off as.

00:56:17.560 It comes off to me as a male as, like, an intrinsically emasculating position.

00:56:23.040 It's like, how is this...

00:56:24.120 Well, I just...

00:56:24.620 I also feel like it's super straw man-y.

00:56:26.540 I can't even, in my evoked set, like, imagine an archetype of a man who would be...

00:56:31.700 No, no, no.

00:56:32.060 Who does it is, like, religious screening guys.

00:56:34.680 Oh, well, that's just, like, virtue signaling.

00:56:36.940 I don't know how...

00:56:38.160 You know.

00:56:40.280 That's who does it, and very insecure guys who think that their woman would leave them for another woman.

00:56:44.620 But just, like, guys who don't know this.

00:56:45.900 This happens.

00:56:46.980 It happens.

00:56:47.980 It happens rarely.

00:56:50.040 So, it, like, can conceptually happen, but I think...

00:56:52.800 Okay, so I'm going to let out a secret about the lesbian community, okay?

00:56:55.300 So, I used to be pretty progressive and everything like that, and I slept around a lot, right? 0.89

00:57:00.160 And one of the areas that was always, like, the free sex pipeline was lesbians. 1.00

00:57:06.620 There are a lot of lesbians who don't actually like being lesbians that much. 1.00

00:57:13.160 They do it for whatever, whether it's political or personal or emotional reasons, but they really desire to sleep with men, but be able to do it without it affecting their public reputation or self-creation. 0.95

00:57:28.360 Oh, so they're not seen as slutty because they're lesbians. 1.00

00:57:30.600 You can't be a slutty lesbian. 1.00

00:57:32.620 Well, it's not just that. 1.00

00:57:34.100 I mean, they want to be seen as the right politics.

00:57:36.540 They want to be seen as the right whatever.

00:57:38.920 Things being, like, a proper lesbian and everything like that, and their status was in the gay community and not being bi as a woman and everything.

00:57:45.560 But, you know, most women are. 1.00

00:57:47.340 Okay, like, just look at the statistics.

00:57:49.520 And so, a lot of women for the status pretend to be lesbians, but if there's a guy who they know is attractive and discreet, they will. 0.97

00:57:57.920 She constantly was their partner with men.

00:58:00.180 Or, and my impression is this is quite common, given the number of lesbians who did this with me back today. 0.98

00:58:09.000 Well, okay.

00:58:10.200 So, I guess the key for us as parents, then, if we're going to take something away from this revelation, realization, dynamic that we're now aware of, we need to be really explicit about the risks and downsides of polyamory, especially with our daughters.

00:58:28.500 But also with our sons, especially post-23, that it causes a lot of knock-on effects that we will walk them through explicitly.

00:58:37.280 Because the key isn't to say, no, never do this.

00:58:40.220 It's a rule.

00:58:40.820 Don't cross the line because I said so.

00:58:42.700 But instead, this is a heavily taxed activity.

00:58:47.360 And here is the tax.

00:58:48.300 Here is the price you pay.

00:58:49.600 Walk into a road, and you could get run over by a car and killed.

00:58:53.840 Get polyamorous, and you may never end up getting a high-value spouse permanently.

00:58:59.840 Or if you do, they bring it up all the time.

00:59:01.560 Like, it's something that they can lord over you for the rest of your life.

00:59:04.180 And that's tough.

00:59:06.460 By the way.

00:59:06.860 Yeah, or that it's a thing that lingers in the back of their mind, even if they don't bring it up.

00:59:11.140 That would also really suck. 0.90

00:59:13.420 Anyway.

00:59:14.020 But yeah, that's what I do.

00:59:15.240 You're right.

00:59:16.160 And yeah.

00:59:18.280 I'm lucky that you, I mean, in a different time, if you were growing up today, would you try, like, doing OnlyFans or something?

00:59:24.440 No.

00:59:24.600 Or you just...

00:59:25.280 No. 0.79

00:59:25.400 I'm way too asexual for that.

00:59:27.960 Like, I'm just...

00:59:30.080 You have to be able to pull it off.

00:59:32.460 And I think you've got to, like...

00:59:34.460 Enjoy it a little bit.

00:59:35.860 Yeah. 0.99

00:59:36.140 Like, you need to have some kind of spontaneous sex drive. 0.92

00:59:39.820 You know, where it's like, I'm just... 0.99

00:59:41.080 I'm gay for Malcolm, right? 0.82

00:59:42.400 Like, in the absence of Malcolm, there is no sex.

00:59:45.860 If that doesn't make sense to anyone.

00:59:47.380 But it makes sense to me.

00:59:48.220 So, there would just be no way I could ever...

00:59:54.380 I mean, your program, in a way, that would be very advantageous for program biologically, for many women from, you know, a lot of different cultural frameworks. 1.00

01:00:03.420 Not every cultural framework, but certainly, you know, our cultural framework.

01:00:06.520 An old, like, puritanical cultural framework.

01:00:09.000 Yeah.

01:00:09.700 Yeah.

01:00:10.360 So, yeah.

01:00:11.040 I don't see this as being so...

01:00:13.120 I wonder if it's heritable.

01:00:14.100 I think it's the autism, to be honest with you.

01:00:16.260 No, I think it's heritable.

01:00:18.220 I think it's heritable, but I also think it's correlated with, clustered with autism.

01:00:23.740 Well, no, I've pointed out to people in the past that cultures that, in which you'd have a genetic advantage by being high arousal and sleeping with people a lot, you know, voluntarily.

01:00:35.240 Like, Catholic culture really relies on that, or used to rely on that to increase their fertility rate.

01:00:40.200 And I have mentioned, as somebody who slept around a lot, it's actually noticeable girls from Catholic cultural backgrounds are much hornier. 1.00

01:00:48.800 They prefer sex much more frequently than others. 0.96

01:00:50.960 So, the whole stereotype of the Catholic schoolgirl or the sexy nun is a thing for a reason. 0.99

01:00:55.980 It might be that this isn't due to repression.

01:00:59.140 It's due to genetic selection events.

01:01:01.800 They would have historically had more children based on their arousal level and their willingness to get into early and frequent relationships. 0.78

01:01:10.660 And as I've mentioned, the Catholic used to interpret the line, that which the Lord has binded, man shall not tear us under, to mean that, like, if you got into an early relationship and you got pregnant, then it's not that you can never get married again, which is true for some cultures.

01:01:24.080 Like, in some cultures, if you get pregnant as a young woman, you don't automatically marry that guy.

01:01:30.220 You just become ineligible for marriage for the rest of your life because you're basically tainted goods.

01:01:36.580 Whereas in Catholic cultures, even for, like, royals, you married that guy in that way.

01:01:42.480 Not, like, high royals, but, like, mid-royals.

01:01:44.780 High royals got to do whatever they want.

01:01:45.980 The point I'm making here is that this culture motivated high arousal, whereas your form of arousal is just more, like, dedicated arousal.

01:01:54.920 Like, I'm going to bond with, like, one individual who I already know internally, like, I'm with for life.

01:02:01.420 And the thing that's going to motivate children is deciding to have children, not that I didn't have a condom or poor.

01:02:07.520 The pair bond.

01:02:08.260 Yeah.

01:02:08.840 Huh.

01:02:09.680 Yeah, that would be.

01:02:10.380 Well, I could see it not being well-selected evolutionarily because it seems like where we're losing the birth rates in demographic collapse is mistake babies.

01:02:21.080 Yeah.

01:02:21.520 And where we need to build up the birth rates is intention babies.

01:02:24.640 But, yeah, I don't know.

01:02:25.860 You're very good for intention babies.

01:02:27.180 I'm very good for intention babies, but also intention babies appear to be correlated with much lower birth rates.

01:02:32.220 Right, and we need to change that using technology. 0.93

01:02:35.640 Yes.

01:02:36.460 Using science.

01:02:37.400 Well, it's been, as always, an immense pleasure.

01:02:42.820 And do you have another call coming up?

01:02:44.500 I do.

01:02:45.480 Are we reheating some curry?

01:02:47.300 Yeah, I was going to saute more onion and also add more tomato per year.

01:02:51.480 I would just go straight tomato.

01:02:53.940 No onion.

01:02:54.600 No more onion.

01:02:56.520 Yeah, I don't think I need more onion.

01:02:58.180 Saute more tomato to try to make the sauce thicker.

01:03:00.940 Okay, and then I'll boil it down for a while while I make the kids dinner.

01:03:04.300 Put a thickening agent.

01:03:05.920 I will not.

01:03:06.460 I don't put in thickening agents.

01:03:08.060 I don't.

01:03:09.080 I know you don't.

01:03:09.460 No, you hate them.

01:03:10.500 I'm just saying don't.

01:03:11.940 I like, I like.

01:03:13.160 I'm going to simmer it for a while and then it will be.

01:03:15.980 From the actual ingredients, not from like, you know.

01:03:19.800 Totally understand.

01:03:20.720 But also the second night curries are always better.

01:03:24.320 Oh, they're always better.

01:03:25.260 Yeah.

01:03:25.480 And you've already put in more of the spice, you know.

01:03:27.860 I don't, that, that you, your whole thing and the Sichuan chili powder, it was like,

01:03:33.600 it was tasty before and now it's just painful and you're like, oh, you fixed it.

01:03:38.640 And I'm like, now I understand that one chef at that Indian restaurant in Scotland who was

01:03:44.080 like, you're going to ruin this.

01:03:46.680 And he was so mad at you.

01:03:48.200 Because I like really spicy food.

01:03:50.020 Do you want to put in a little bit of garlic as well?

01:03:52.420 I think I put in from the reheat.

01:03:54.440 You want me to saute more garlic before I add the tomato?

01:03:57.340 Because that's, that's sort of how it would work is.

01:03:59.080 Put some more garlic in.

01:04:00.400 And I add the tomato and the rest of it.

01:04:02.540 Or put more ginger in.

01:04:03.980 I don't care.

01:04:04.440 One of the other.

01:04:05.240 There's no, I don't have any fresh ginger, unfortunately.

01:04:07.820 Oh wait, I think I froze some that I could thaw out.

01:04:10.360 But I don't know if this is.

01:04:11.060 Don't you have already like, like cut up garlic?

01:04:14.580 I do.

01:04:14.980 I have, I minced the fresh garlic in bulk and I have that ready to go.

01:04:19.840 It's just the ginger I had frozen.

01:04:21.440 Because ginger, while you can put garlic and olive oil in the fridge for quite a decent

01:04:25.520 amount of time, ginger in the fridge, my understanding is you can't leave it there for as long.

01:04:31.960 Well, I mean, I guess I think I gotta, I gotta get ready for this.

01:04:35.360 I have to get ready for this bank call.

01:04:36.440 Okay, bye.

01:04:37.000 Love you.

01:04:40.500 Oh, thank you, Malcolm.

01:04:42.840 We got to talk about how crazy this thread was.

01:04:45.280 So, you know, GSB, Stanford Business School.

01:04:48.220 I get this, this class blast.

01:04:51.440 Yeah, his, his class from the Stanford Graduate School of Business still emails each other

01:04:56.380 occasionally.

01:04:57.620 Rare, no, rarely.

01:04:58.760 Like once every three years, one of these goes around.

01:05:01.380 So it's a big deal to send one.

01:05:03.520 Okay.

01:05:03.720 You don't like do it.

01:05:05.700 So anyway, we get one on like the state of the world because Trump is now president and

01:05:11.180 it feels like everything is unraveling for this person.

01:05:13.420 And then, of course, you get this thread of like pylons, like everything's unraveling.

01:05:17.480 I can't believe this is happening.

01:05:20.060 And basically, you guys know me.

01:05:22.960 Okay.

01:05:23.840 I had to come in and I think that this summarizes what happened pretty well.

01:05:27.460 Oh, God.

01:05:29.180 Good morning, Philadelphia.

01:05:31.820 With us today is Malcolm Collins.

01:05:33.760 Local business owner and a man with a harrowing story.

01:05:36.400 That's right.

01:05:37.940 A few days ago, three corpos sent me a chain of emails slagging off our boys, Elon and Trump.

01:05:45.900 I want to be very clear about something.

01:05:47.820 Oh. 1.00

01:05:49.320 These pieces of garbage, they don't know who the hell they're dealing with. 1.00

01:05:52.080 So these punks, I don't know if they wanted money or they wanted something more sexual. 1.00

01:05:57.520 Anyway, I started MAGA-ing. 0.97

01:05:59.440 Bah! 0.97

01:05:59.880 Bah! 0.97

01:06:00.360 I don't see so good, so I missed.

01:06:02.060 Then, of course, I get private emails like, oh, but what about the immigrants?

01:06:05.480 What about USAID?

01:06:06.780 Blah, blah, blah.

01:06:08.120 I ran after them.

01:06:09.120 Okay.

01:06:09.460 Bang! 1.00

01:06:09.840 Tried to shoot them in the back. 0.99

01:06:10.860 But I don't want so good either. 0.96

01:06:12.800 Anyway, you guys all think I'm a hero and I'll accept that responsibility.

01:06:18.360 Now, weren't you concerned, though, that an innocent bystander may have-

01:06:21.160 Look, crime in this city is out of control.

01:06:23.880 Thank God.

01:06:25.180 We've got two presidents with Trump and Elon absolutely killing it.

01:06:29.820 I don't think one would have done it.

01:06:31.360 I'm going to go out and buy some more.

01:06:32.940 Okay.

01:06:33.440 And I think you should, too.

01:06:35.240 Don't be a victim.

01:06:36.700 It's time to fight back.

01:06:38.540 Thank you.

01:06:39.180 But the gist is it was very interesting to read their perspective on the list because it felt like such a mirror to my own.

01:06:48.520 I would say that a lot of these people are this oligarchical class, right?

01:06:52.760 Like, they are-

01:06:53.560 They are the man.

01:06:54.720 Yeah.

01:06:55.100 Like, I don't know what you-

01:06:56.040 If you went to the Stanford Graduate School of Business, you aren't fighting the man anymore.

01:07:00.620 You've become the man.

01:07:02.020 You are the establishment.

01:07:03.440 I don't know what to tell you.

01:07:04.360 And I burned all that reputation I gained by becoming a Republican who's not never Trump.

01:07:09.980 But it was interesting to me because all of these people who had entered these oligarchical roles within our society and benefited from the existing social structure, staying within the status quo, are, of course, terrified.

01:07:22.360 Because the status quo is being overturned through this administration.

01:07:26.120 And nobody, you know, it hurts more from that than people with positions of extent power.

01:07:32.300 And it was really fascinating to see the way that they saw this.

01:07:38.780 And the same way to me, like, I had given up on civilization surviving.

01:07:42.940 I was like, look, I'm preparing my kids for a post-civilization world.

01:07:46.900 I do not think that anything close to something contiguous with our current or ancestral culture can survive.

01:07:53.020 And now, given what Trump and Elon and Vance, the triumvirate, have been doing, I now feel hope that civilization may survive.

01:08:02.400 Yeah, we had a shot.

01:08:03.080 But at the same time, they had this exact opposite perspective of, like, as an avalanche society is collapsing from this status quo that they knew and believed was, I guess, inherently good because it was the status quo.

01:08:17.480 You know, and I can see that.

01:08:18.600 If you're benefiting from it, why question what's going on, right?

01:08:22.360 You know, and so for them, it's felt like just piece after piece.

01:08:25.960 They're like, it started slow and now it's this giant avalanche and the zone is completely flooded and I don't even know where to begin. 1.00

01:08:33.820 And these are the most competent, like, these aren't your democratic political class, like the blustering idiots or whatever. 0.97

01:08:40.820 This is the behind closed doors, smartest, most competent, vetted people who are running large companies. 0.99

01:08:49.080 They are at a loss.

01:08:50.940 The silent ruling class, yeah.

01:08:52.480 And they're just repeating this, like, oh, you know, this is like the Nazis, this is a dictator.

01:08:58.200 You know, 51% of Americans voted for this, right?

01:09:00.820 Ignoring what happened in Germany.

01:09:02.460 I love it.

01:09:03.280 One of the comments on the thing was, like, they don't understand, like, voting in Germany.

01:09:07.380 They don't understand representation.

01:09:08.660 No, I understand.

01:09:09.820 Well over 50% of your citizens voted for a candidate who was right-leaning and said that they would end immigration. 0.94

01:09:16.340 And yet that will end up not happening because the center right in your country is a bunch of traitors who don't care about the will of the people and only care about maintaining the status quo and their positions of institutional privilege.

01:09:30.760 So they won't side with the other side.

01:09:32.800 They won't, the AFD, who they need to, to get votes passed to handle immigration in an appropriate way.

01:09:37.700 And your people will be erased from history, period. 0.90

01:09:42.940 There is no going back if you look at your current fertility rate and the differential fertility rates or the rate that immigrants are coming into your country. 1.00

01:09:50.060 There's no going back.

01:09:50.800 There's no hope.

01:09:51.520 You don't have another shot after this.

01:09:53.300 They blew your last shot.

01:09:55.460 And I think that any shot that you do have now, and this is the really horrifying thing about what the left is doing, especially in Europe, is going to look like, well, racism, right?

01:10:07.300 Because the only way that they've shown the right, that the right can operate is, okay, we can't win an election.

01:10:16.060 We can't win the popular vote.

01:10:17.480 So what?

01:10:18.040 We have to act with force now?

01:10:20.000 Oh, and you've imported so many people into our country who are hostile to our cultures and do not want to see this culture continue anymore. 1.00

01:10:29.560 We have to get them out of the country. 0.99

01:10:31.460 Like, we have to put them somewhere.

01:10:32.540 And that's going to look like a horrifying mass deportation that is going to be inhumane in the extreme because you can't just deport that many people without it being inhumane in the extreme.

01:10:41.220 But, you know, now in Germany, around 25% of the population is a descendant of somebody who migrated after the 1950s.

01:10:48.120 Like, that is absolutely wild.

01:10:51.540 It's a pretty rapid shift in composition, for sure.

01:10:54.920 Yeah.

01:10:55.380 This is not about, like, oh, immigrants should be allowed to come to our country or not, especially when you look at the terrorist attacks that are happening regularly now in Germany.

01:11:03.820 Like, this is getting wild at this point.

01:11:05.760 But anyway, anyway, so, you know, that was my perspective reading this, and it's just so interesting that I do feel like we're winning.

01:11:14.040 I do feel like the opposite of them.

01:11:15.840 Like, it's like an avalanche of, oh, my God, this old system was leading humanity to extinction, and now somebody's trying to fix this.

01:11:23.260 Somebody's fixing the bloated bureaucracy.

01:11:25.280 Somebody's doing things that could fix fertility rates.

01:11:27.340 Somebody is fixing our trust in institutions, getting rid of the media, which had become basically a lie machine, and everybody knew that at this point.

01:11:34.800 And getting rid of DEI recently launched our initiative, deiremediation.com.

01:11:40.760 We actually have that URL, and we're going to be working to see if we can implement these services to help make companies more efficient.

01:11:47.500 But I don't know what angry responses I'm going to get for sending that.

01:11:50.320 I just did that thing of opening a door, throwing a grenade into a room, and being like, peace!

01:11:56.120 I think it'll be the same thing that happens with most urban monoculture situations, realistically, which is shadow banning.

01:12:05.560 I mean, it's just even more people who are now going to make sure that no matter what, you are frozen out of anything that they're involved with,

01:12:14.000 which they probably weren't fans of you anyway, to begin with, so no loss.

01:12:20.200 Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

01:12:22.080 No, no, I mean, the people who want to maintain the respect of the oligarchical class, of the mainstream urban monoculture,

01:12:28.580 like, I'm toxic to them, so they can't utilize me for anything.

01:12:31.640 Whereas the people who, you know, care about the dissident thinkers and stuff like that,

01:12:36.220 I am very useful to them, and they'll be like, oh yeah, this would be great.

01:12:39.560 So yeah.

01:12:39.880 Well, do you want me to get started, Savona?

01:12:42.200 Let's go.

01:12:43.300 Hold on just a second here.

01:12:47.820 Oh, good idea.

Based Camp - March 31, 2025

The Effective Altruism to S＊X Work Pipeline

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