In this episode, we re talking about sex work and the role of women in the sex work industry, and why we should all be worried about it. We re also talking about polyamory and why it s a good or bad thing.
00:05:46.760And rationalism more broadly, too, in Silicon Valley culture are all associated with very, like, cerebral, intelligent, thoughtful, altruism-focused.
00:05:57.440Not, like, where is the sex and debauchery?
00:06:24.480No, what happened was we went, and it was, like, a normal, I mean, of course, frumpy house, because it's in the Bay Area, and all the houses in the Bay Area, pretty much.
00:07:05.800Like, I may just not, like, literally, like, a muggle in magic.
00:07:12.460Like, okay, well, then, okay, as an outsider, EA, the Effective Algebraist Community, and the larger, like, less wrong community and everything like that has always been intimately connected with both partner sharing, polyamory, and orgies.
00:07:25.680Is it just sort of like a futuristic, advanced vision?
00:07:29.980Because part of me thought that all of the sexual weirdness of the Silicon Valley movement really had to do more with the San Francisco associations.
00:07:41.780I mean, that is where all the hippies...
00:07:52.020So they'd be like, okay, from a logical perspective, if it feels good for you, and it feels good for somebody else, why wouldn't you do it, right?
00:08:01.500That's the way they're going to think about it.
00:08:03.220And then when they think about relationships, they're going to think, okay, you know, why do you have one partner, right?
00:08:17.580It would actually be even weirder if they went into it from a monogamous perspective as a default.
00:08:22.020And all of this makes sense when you think about it from the outside.
00:08:25.540And then as to why so many people are drawn into it, even when they otherwise might not be, you've got to keep in mind why girls in the community get drawn into it, right?
00:08:48.420Actually, I'd go so far as to say they make up like one in, yeah, probably like one in eight members and a good 30 to 40% of the girls I've seen in the community are trans women.
00:08:58.480Yeah, there's, yeah, there's, there's disproportionately more trans women.
00:09:23.180So anyway, we'll put the trans women in a different bucket and bring them in in a second because when I first got involved with these communities, trans women were not on the scene yet.
00:09:36.000So anyway, because of this, you as a woman in this community have a much higher value than you would in almost any other culture.
00:09:45.820Like, you can be frumpy and fat or, you know, lazy or whatever.
00:09:51.740Not saying that people in the EA movement, actually, like, I think it attracts pretty attractive people.
00:09:57.420But yeah, like, more on the attractive side that I've seen, actually.
00:10:00.920But if you are attractive, oh my God, you're treated like a god queen by all of the, well, keep in mind, the guys in the community are often very different from the girls in the community.
00:10:09.160To get in the community and earn status as a guy, you either have to move up one of the peerage networks, which means gaining access to funding streams, which then you can redirect to people below you in the peerage network.
00:10:22.380Or you have to be a competent tech worker, which means you're typically making a pretty decent salary.
00:10:28.520I'd say the average salary in the movement is probably these days at least half a million dollars.
00:10:32.020Keep in mind, they're living in, like, San Francisco and Manhattan mostly, so they might not be living there.
00:10:37.820Yeah, so anyway, you have all these guys in the movement who are earning tons and tons of money.
00:10:43.120And then the women in the movement, even when they are programmed, well, they're not often programmers.
00:10:47.080They're often, like, psychologists or neuroscientists or evolutionary biologists, which are all positions that, you know, sound super hard and everything like that.
00:10:56.620But they don't actually earn much money.
00:10:58.260And it's quite hard to find jobs for them.
00:11:00.700And so you get into this community where your knowledge is respected, you are respected, and you can gain even more respect for sleeping with additional people.
00:11:11.040Because if you're only sleeping with one guy, you know, that causes problems in the community, right?
00:11:15.560Because, you know, there's only one woman for every, like, three or four guys, right?
00:11:18.880So if you sleep around, you can gain status.
00:11:23.600And then what happens is, oh, well, you're living in a city like San Francisco now.
00:11:27.020You're living in a city like Manhattan now.
00:11:29.340You can't really earn money with your evolutionary bio degree.
00:12:50.800Because I just don't understand how the leap goes from being monogamous to being polyamorous within the movement.
00:12:58.500And when you said that, oh, you can gain status by sleeping with even more people, you know, that runs against, I think, both my and most people's intuition.
00:13:07.780Because the mainstream response is taking on their partners.
00:13:23.760So first, what does it look like to have your boundaries pushed?
00:13:27.700What happens is a lot of men in the community, if you say, I'm a monogamous or something like this, they really take that as a, oh, so I'm not supposed to tell your partner about us sleeping together.
00:13:40.260And because other women have said that to them in the movement and, you know, not been actually monogamous, and it's happened enough, they now just don't sort of respect those words very much and will be fairly aggressive with people because it's what's expected.
00:13:55.500If you expect to be able to do something, you're going to keep pushing for it.
00:14:00.200Like, why are you being weird about this?
00:14:01.900Why are you acting like a weird conservative Christian?
00:14:04.800People in our community don't do this.
00:14:06.380And I remember within the community, even thinking that the people who didn't sleep around the women specifically, that was the only ones I was thinking of who are more monogamous.
00:14:13.240I remember thinking they were really weird.
00:14:16.580I was like, this is like, why are they like doing this?
00:14:19.080And then the interesting thing is, and this always happened, is after one of the ones who was like monogamous broke up with their partner, then they'd become polyamorous.
00:14:47.040So you enter the community as a girl in a monogamous relationship often.
00:14:50.600You may not go out of that relationship or anything like that.
00:14:52.520But when that relationship breaks up, you've been going to enough parties, you've been being hit on by enough people.
00:14:56.700And maybe it even starts off as like, you're contextualizing it as a rebound.
00:15:02.120Like, oh, you're just having some fun one night stands, you know, to mend your broken heart after leaving, you know, a two year relationship.
00:15:11.840And these guys are doing all the stuff for you, your boyfriend used to do.
00:15:43.220Like, you know, we bang the same chicks all the time, right?
00:15:45.980You know, because they have disintermediated and it's seen as negative within these communities to feel jealousy.
00:15:51.580Like, that would be like, why are you hoarding this resource, this woman, from other members of the community when we just want to use her for pleasure and it feels good for her too and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
00:16:01.540And she's getting money from it and it's not like she has a job right now.
00:16:03.520So, when you disintermediate a monogamous relationship, even if it is done on good terms, you turn the relationship into sex work.
00:16:16.380And then you can't leave because you're stuck in San Francisco, you're stuck in Manhattan, you haven't had a job in how many years?
00:16:21.780And let me explain what I mean by this.
00:16:23.960Okay, me and you early in our relationship, I was like paying for you to go to college with my job, right?
00:16:29.480And I paid for food and everything like that, right?
00:16:32.020You know, there was a time in our relationship where I was the guy who was earning the money because I had the higher paying career, not anymore, but this is the way it worked, right?
00:16:41.220And that is a normal monogamous relationship in a lot of places around the world, right?
00:16:47.080Now, where money sort of flows from the wealthier partner to the less wealthy partner and often that's from the male to the female, blah, blah, blah.
00:17:46.120You're not going to take care of that thing.
00:17:48.180Well, yes, and it's because you don't benefit from that thing improving.
00:17:52.140It was a great, it was sent to us by one of our fans, a green text post on 4chan recently about a guy and his wife who he had known since they were kids and had flirted with him since they were kids.
00:18:02.440And they went through and read her diary about, like, when she first met him.
00:18:24.020And then he, like, thinks back to her always pushing him to get, like, the higher earning degrees, her always pushing him to, like, study more.
00:18:32.020And he ends up this very successful guy.
00:18:37.040He doesn't, like, hold this against her.
00:18:38.460But the point here being is because they were in a monogamous relationship, she, from a Machiavellian standpoint, from a self-interested standpoint, had a reason to try to improve him.
00:19:09.380Like, a lot of them, when the person I was talking to you about this said, you know, you think you're getting more love, but you're getting no love at all.
00:19:16.060You think you're getting more people caring about you, but at the end of the day, it's all hollow.
00:19:20.320And that is, you know, our biology is not meant to bond to somebody who we know that other people are sleeping with.
00:19:31.380For females, and I think this is where women get tricked.
00:19:33.460Like, women can bond to somebody who's sleeping with other women.
00:19:36.620This is the type of polyamory where I'm actually, okay, like, if you're a rich enough guy and you have, like, multiple female partners, like, whatever.
00:19:42.620Throughout all of society, throughout all of history, even in the most, you know, monogamous countries in history.
00:19:47.120I'm mentioning, like, Louis XIV, like France, you know, like, Catholic country there, the height of the church.
00:19:53.740You know, you still have regular mistresses and stuff like that.
00:19:57.180So you wouldn't encourage our daughters to be polyamorous, but sister wives to a sufficiently wealthy husband, fine.
00:20:16.420But the point here being is that I'm, like, less, like, it intrinsically doesn't work in those scenarios, and it can allow women to get higher quality husbands than they otherwise would.
00:20:56.340So, because there is an expectation of polyamory in these communities, right, and even more than that, an expectation of polyamory, if I am a guy who holds some status over another guy, I have an expectation of access to his partners.
00:21:15.720So, suppose you're at whatever EA peerage network or whatever, and there's a guy who's upstream in the peerage network of me.
00:21:26.340And we're at a party or something like that, right?
00:21:29.580That guy is going to expect to at least be able to hit on, without consequences, whoever I am with.
00:21:37.640Speaking of this, we got an email recently from one of our fans in the EA community, and he said,
00:21:42.240Regarding your comments on sex work in EA, I heard a story related to the life extension organization SENS that I consider adjacent to EA.
00:21:50.060Yeah, anything in life extension is basically part of this larger community.
00:21:53.220The founder, Audrey Day Gray, was voted out of the organization for interfering with a sexual harassment investigation against him.
00:22:02.080In particular, what stood out to me was one case of the harassment was him allegedly pressuring young women into making sexual slash romantic advances towards potential wealthy donors as a fundraising strategy.
00:22:12.660I also remember hearing a very similar story about this, about that EA cult leverage.
00:22:19.040And what leverage, one of the people who was funding it, and he was like, yeah, at one point, they basically came up with a scheme, which he was not into at all, by the way.
00:22:28.040He's like, what are you guys doing, where they would brainwash young women and then try to pimp them out to the people who were giving them money to get more money.
00:22:36.820Now, the way that they worded this is that they would do some sort of like work with the person that they would go in and, and, you know, they had reframed this not as sex work, but as some sort of like psychological session or something like that.
00:22:49.300But it's, it's what it boiled down to.
00:22:51.060So this is something I know that in at least two occasions, it's like allegedly been tried.
00:22:55.620Now, suppose you're that woman, right?
00:23:00.500It creates hypergamy and steroids because you have removed from the culture, any cultural penalty to sleeping around.
00:23:08.460But if I start to sleep with this guy who's higher in the net, now suppose this guy has a lot of money.
00:23:12.900Suppose he's got like a quarter billion dollars or half a billion dollars, or suppose he runs one of the largest organizations in the space by sleeping with him.
00:23:20.880I can significantly increase the type of parties I'm getting invited to.
00:23:24.940I can significantly increase the introductions I'm getting.
00:23:28.680I mean, keep in mind, this is how Kamala Harris got her career started, right?
00:23:32.180Remember she was sleeping with that guy when she was, who was in his sixties, when she was in her late twenties.
00:23:38.140And he got her those early jobs and he convinced me this, right?
00:23:42.140You know, you can move up really quickly as a woman when you're sleeping with people and there's no cost.
00:23:48.480Well, yeah, if someone has an interest in opening doors for you, and especially if your career or work or ability to fundraise is contingent on your access to social networks, I could see that being.
00:24:01.200But now you can't stop sleeping around, right?
00:24:03.260Because you are now in a peerage network, which I call it a cult, whatever you want to call it, where polyamory is expected.
00:24:11.260And you are now, they don't frame it this way, even in their own heads until they get out of it.
00:24:16.640And this is the thing I've noticed about this pipeline is they're like, I had to stay in a sexual relationship with this person because I had other people.
00:24:23.680But basically I had to go and sexually service this person to continue to get grants.
00:24:28.340That's basically what ends up happening.
00:24:30.440And if you don't believe that this is happening in the effect of altruist movement, go look on the boards of these organizations, the percentage of males and females.
00:24:38.740You will almost always see a higher percentage of females.
00:24:42.440How could that conceivably happen given how rare women are in the movement, okay, if this was to any degree a meritocracy?
00:24:50.180These women are getting these positions either for DEI-like reasons.
00:24:54.500What if it's a selection thing because women are more likely to be interested in interactive, social-oriented roles, whereas men are more interested in object-slash-direct-applied science or action-related roles?
00:25:11.440I think that would make sense in some context, but I think you just see it too frequently in this large, less-wrong EA space, like given the number of women versus their popularity on boards.
00:25:24.820And I'd also note here if you're like, no, that can't be the case.
00:25:32.240How come, despite natal women and trans women existing within a movement at about the same rate, it's almost always natal women who have these positions?
00:25:44.140The more sexual desirable class of women, because there's something in the back of somebody's brain who opens, sir, I can't.
00:25:51.560However, I would note here, like, why do you get trans women in this movement as well?
00:25:55.240Think about the status that can be gained versus the male side of the movement.
00:26:37.660At least there are, like, detailed books about, I mean, because of all the legal proceedings, too.
00:26:42.980So, it's very public, the relationship status of Caroline Ellison.
00:26:46.400Here's the other thing that's interesting about this.
00:26:47.820And I don't, I have some theories on why this might be the case.
00:26:50.380But within the movement, trans women are significantly more chaste and less likely to be in sex work or passed around than natal women.
00:26:58.260That's interesting because one thing that's discussed about trans women in general is that it's extremely common for trans women to end up in sex work.
00:27:12.980Well, I think that that's actually more correlated to the cultures that trans women find themselves in.
00:27:19.180Oh, and that, like, they're sort of, when you're a trans woman outside the EA world, it's a lot harder to get a job.
00:27:25.020Whereas, if you're a trans woman in the EA world, you are more likely to just be a coward or, like, engineer or, like, I think that that's why.
00:27:33.600Also, this kind of sounds so insensitive.
00:27:35.220But I feel like a lot of the trans women in the EA movement are Asian.
00:27:40.360And you're much more likely to pass and just look great as, so sorry.
00:27:45.320But, like, I do think that if you pass as a trans woman, your life is going to be a lot easier.
00:27:50.980And it's less expensive to pass as an Asian trans woman.
00:27:55.260One of my favorite, I remember I was talking with somebody, and we're talking about, like, a trans woman.
00:28:20.060Why do you think they are more chaste in general?
00:28:23.520I think it might be because, one, they gain less by sleeping around because they're valued less as sexual partners.
00:28:29.820So the cost to them of doing it might be lower.
00:28:32.400Where they often got into the movement as, like, founders or engineers or coders to begin with.
00:28:39.100So they had alternate income stream that necessitates it less.
00:28:42.920And they often have, I mean, you know this from MRI scans, the brain of a man.
00:28:47.960They better understand what men really want and what they're using women for.
00:28:51.700And so they're less likely to have the delusion that a woman would have.
00:28:54.260Because, remember, I said that women believe that if a – because they know that, like, if a man was sleeping with other women, they could still form an emotional attachment to that man.
00:29:03.000And so they believe that a – and this is on average.
00:29:06.680Obviously, not all women are like this.
00:30:10.680There's a certain amount of logical consistency I can respect.
00:30:12.940But a lot of the underlying assumptions are deeply flawed.
00:30:16.680So all of this, like, putting all of this together for me has helped me be, like – the problem with the normalization of polyamory is that it leads to situations that women and men – men don't realize they're leading women to become trapped into sex work.
00:30:42.160And remember, when I say trapped into sex work, nobody intends on this when this is starting, right?
00:31:36.480And this, of course, like, I think with the grooming gang pipeline in the UK, there was obviously a sort of plan, intention, like, we are going to begin using these young women as economic assets.
00:31:57.960But the same dynamic started to play, where they essentially first got love-bombed, and they were vulnerable, and they were kind of disassociated from their home community at that point, distinct from the rest of society.
00:32:09.340They fell into this community, and then they started getting passed around.
00:32:12.660And clearly, it didn't go as, I don't think it has gone as poorly for these women.
00:32:18.260They're not, you know, kidnapped and beaten and everything.
00:32:20.500Yeah, I think it does go, because it targets women who otherwise would be very high-value partners who could otherwise secure very high-quality men.
00:32:26.800Yeah, that's the other weird thing about it, is instead of, like, women who have been cast off by society, who come from abusive households and who are young and vulnerable, like, it's instead, like, incredibly high-achieving, high-IQ, high-altruistic, high-conscientiousness women.
00:32:43.600And it creates, and this is the thing that's not talking about, it creates these giant black holes in their resumes.
00:32:49.020Oh, no, right, if you have this big employment gap.
00:32:52.100Yes, and that's why they get trapped, because now they can't do anything else.
00:32:55.640And now the type of guy who wants a long-term partner doesn't want to marry them.
00:33:00.260You know, the conservative guy who actually wants a wife.
00:33:03.000And asks about her history, or, like, how many of her friends do?
00:33:05.840About this, and she was like, I thought I was increasing my status, because I wanted a guy, I was like, no guy is going to, like, want me seriously if I'm a prude, right?
00:33:13.900Like, they're going to be like, ew, gross, like, you don't sleep with lots of guys.
00:33:19.020And what's interesting is this is a signal she would have gotten from guys in the community.
00:33:23.020If she's signaling she was waiting to marriage or something like that to a guy in this community, they would have genuinely had the ew, gross reaction.
00:33:59.560Like, it's not normal within our culture.
00:34:01.780And women are very sensitive to what's normal within a culture.
00:34:04.660I decided to ask one of our friends who is in the community and has a very good sort of view of what's happening in the community.
00:34:11.560And she added some additional nuance to sort of how this pipeline functions.
00:34:17.420Specifically, it's a problem for new girls when they enter the community.
00:34:20.560Like, she says once somebody's been in the community for a while, they either know what's up or they sort of get their place within the community or there becomes taboos around approaching them.
00:34:30.560But for new people in the community, especially women in the community, all of the guys, especially the, as she put it, lemons, you know, the guys who are single or couldn't secure a partner or just sleep around a lot, those are the guys who all tackle these girls at once.
00:34:46.520And if the girl doesn't have a lot of experience turning away guys or turning away attention, especially from guys who might be high status in the community, it goes very bad for them.
00:34:56.220And when women like her try to warn new female entrants, it can come off like mate guarding behavior because they're like, oh, you just don't want me to have the guy or they they read it as something other than what it is, which is genuine concern for them.
00:35:10.840And she was saying that if somebody takes like the concern seriously, if they don't jump immediately into polyamory when they get into the community, they're generally okay.
00:35:19.640The problem comes when they do or if they they stay monogamous.
00:35:23.660And she pointed out because maybe we gave the impression in one of our videos that the community doesn't accept monogamous people.
00:35:32.520And if a girl enters the community in a monogamous relationship, she's going to be heavily targeted.
00:35:37.640And I will say, I know, you know, as somebody who's been adjacent to the community, the person who I'm talking to is not, I think, in a monogamous relationship.
00:35:44.940So she might not be fully aware of how much individuals within the community don't respect monogamy.
00:35:51.940By that, what I mean is they'll still hit on somebody if they're in a quote unquote monogamous relationship and do so very aggressively and ask for sexual favors for things, even when the person's in a monogamous relationship.
00:36:02.920Because I've seen this with my friends who will tell people I'm monogamous and then the community, you know, pushes them further.
00:36:08.880So I thought all of that was very interesting, that this is a primarily new entrant problem.
00:36:14.860But if you can prevent them from getting sidetracked, it's not as bad.
00:36:17.720She says one thing that really helps is you can ask people in the community like, okay, who's the good guys who I can sleep with or who are the guys to actually target?
00:36:27.720But she says the big problem with the Whisper Network is one, it's a rich get richer sort of a thing where the highest status guys just end up accumulating more and more because they're the ones who everyone knows.
00:36:36.440Oh, this one's good, especially if you just want to sleep around or something like that.
00:36:40.540It's that the queens of this network are often people like who, well, is, you know, an actual sex worker, right?
00:36:46.860So it's going to lead to them recommending the type of guys who are already utilizing those pipelines, which can normalize transitioning into those pipelines.
00:36:57.420Like, they are like you, like, that's weird to me.
00:36:59.480Like, it's not normal within our culture.
00:37:01.560And women are very sensitive to what's normal within a culture.
00:37:04.960So if it's normal within a culture, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I've got to do this.
00:37:07.580Or every guy's going to say I'm a weirdo.
00:37:09.420Like some sort of religious nut job, right?
00:37:12.500Which is what many of them frame their lives against because it's the background they come from.
00:37:15.740The number one background from these women that I have seen, you know, Ayla's a great example of this, but it's the other one I've seen, is conservative evangelical households.
00:37:23.900They come disproportionately for evangelical Christian families.
00:37:28.460I do think Ayla's an important exception here, though.
00:37:31.160One, my understanding is she got into camming specifically well before she ever encountered.
00:37:42.500But I think that she normalizes this pathway for other women.
00:37:46.920Yeah, I think the other women don't understand maybe how Ayla got into this and her background and her proclivities and her preferences in her lifestyle as well.
00:39:08.640So I think that, like, I understand all that.
00:39:11.780But for me, it's like, yeah, but as a girl, you have to be careful.
00:39:15.900And I think the number one thing, and one of the reasons I'm making this podcast is maybe to wake somebody up who might be going down this pipeline and not realizing it.
00:39:22.880Or might be in this pipeline and not realize it.
00:39:26.020Yeah, I feel like it's never too late to step out.
00:39:46.760And this is also a problem with things like OnlyFans and other types of sex work that can seem normalized.
00:39:52.180Is that it removes your ability to get other jobs in the future or get partners in the future, depending on what type of work you're doing on it.
00:40:35.360But the point being is, is, was OnlyFans.
00:40:38.220And by the way, I heard some interesting theories after our OnlyFans video that OnlyFans actually got popular because people started using it to create the type of content that people are looking for these days.
00:40:57.460Like, if you just provide more customized live-action Rule 64 for those people who want live-action.
00:41:04.120And that's another thing that people were pointing out in the comments of that video was that many of the people who were turned off by both, like, Disney character lunches and by strip clubs were also not that big into live-action erotic material.
00:41:26.540I always say, like, whenever we're doing, like, 2D justice or, like, the 3D women are trash.
00:41:30.860I always use the anime version of you as, like, my example of the perfect 2D woman.
00:41:35.060But my point is that it seems that there's, like, a group, a rough grouping of people that really need, like, the human version and are really turned on by that.
00:41:47.660And most of the Rule 64 stuff online is illustrations.
00:41:51.780So OnlyFans may have been the first avenue to take Rule 64 en masse, on a mass-customized level.
00:42:01.020Like, because, I mean, there's so many permutations, right?
00:42:07.660Well, I mean, because people create parasocial connections with characters within shows.
00:42:14.240And one of the things that I noted, if you want to see one of our early, very early spicy videos, which is why you should prefer a husband who faps to pony porn from, like, the old bike.
00:42:42.140And my thesis was is that it was for men who preferred figures they saw as female, even to the extent that they would ignore that they looked nothing like a fertile human female.
00:42:54.200Well, these men, because they have a strong sexual preference for characters or people they believe they are interacting with regularly in, like, a social context, like, their brain has been tricked into believing this.
00:43:06.660To the extent that they will ignore that they look nothing like a fertile human female, they would likely also bond really strongly to a wife or long-term female partner.
00:43:14.140I was trying to come up with a spicy hypothesis, but so many people were like, oh, this is proof.
00:43:18.360And I'm like, gosh, you guys don't know what it is.
00:43:20.660Like, no one has, it's interesting, no one has guessed what I'm into.
00:43:34.140Well, no, because the theories that I've seen focus more on things that would modify my social status in a positive or negative context.
00:43:41.900Because I think that that's what people want to project onto influencers is, like, oh, he's into X-ing that's going to, you know, make him look subby or whatever, right?
00:43:52.660Like, because that's interesting to them.
00:43:54.000When, in reality, what I'd actually be into would just not modify – I mean, if people know of any unique sexual preference of an individual, they are going to use that to attack them.
00:44:08.800So that's why I don't, like, mention anything like this.
00:44:12.720But it's not something that's, like, uniquely embarrassing or anything like that.
00:44:16.620A great example of this happening to someone was Kenneth Bone or Ken Bone, that guy who asked a question in the first Hillary Trump election that was seen as neutral, and everyone was like, oh, that's so cool.
00:44:27.280And so he went on all these talk shows afterwards, and he completely had his fame destroyed when people found out that he had – I don't even know if I'd say it's a fetish – but an arousal pattern with preference for pregnant women.
00:44:41.640And people just thought this was – oh, wow, what a gross fetish.
00:44:45.660And I'm like, that's, like – of all of the potential fetishes I could think of, it doesn't objectify women.
00:44:53.400It's, like – it maybe is, I would think, one of the least in terms of, like, unusual or specific arousal patterns that could be used to attack someone.
00:45:02.780And yet it destroyed his entire fame cycle.
00:45:05.800I note here that now we know because the texts from Elon have come out with the girl that he knocked up that he's, like, I can't wait to, like, come up.
00:45:17.300He's using language, like, knock you up again and stuff like that that really comes off like somebody who has an impregnation fetish.
00:45:21.780But to your point, the only fetish that is not a fetish is appropriate of sex.
00:46:11.260And I'm, like, these women aren't, you know, this is my, like, ultra ruthless approach.
00:46:16.320I am more interested in keeping the few women who might be useful societal actors or potentially wives and really happy with that life, keep them from falling off the rails, than I would try to save the women who are just never going to be that good at anything.
00:46:45.640And so, I guess what I would say here is, while I wouldn't legally regulate this stuff personally, I would strongly shame it within our own family.
00:47:19.140But there's a whole life you live before that, and unfortunately, a lot of your status in training depends on your ability to secure multiple partners.
00:47:27.280I'm all for it, but also, like, you have to understand.
00:47:30.780Men with minimal resources, which is typical for 23-year-old men who are not either completely drop-dead gorgeous or from families of means.
00:47:43.040And sorry, Malcolm, you're just too beautiful.
00:47:48.920Most pre-23-year-old men are going to, like, if they try to go on their most aggressive sex mode, slut mode, maximum, maybe two partners, maybe three.
00:48:01.480Like, look, I'm not going to, what I'm going to say is I'm not going to shame my sons for getting multi-ball.
00:48:07.600Now, people who don't know multi-ball in the old arcades, you get this mode if you, like, were, like, absolutely killing it.
00:48:15.620And it shoots, like, a bunch of balls into the center of the game board.
00:48:18.880And, like, the reality is I do not know what social context they're going to be in.
00:48:25.280The point I'm making is that multiple partners for men does not always turn out bad.
00:48:29.780I am increasingly entering a mindset where I think multi-ball partners for women always turns out bad, which is very different.
00:48:37.720And here, as I was saying for OnlyFans, I would not, for example, with my daughter, shame things that aren't going to significantly negatively modify their dating status, like feet modeling on OnlyFans or something like that.
00:48:48.360Well, what about, I feel like we've already gotten to a place, this isn't intentional, I think, but we've already gotten to a place where people use filters to the point of not being recognizable.
00:48:59.060If our daughters were utterly unrecognizable to anyone, but on OnlyFans, if it were completely anonymized, would you have a problem with it?
00:49:10.900I think I think this is the question I ask.
00:49:14.640Would I have a problem with it in a potential wife?
00:49:29.080I would care a lot less if it was totally anonymous, but I still would care a degree.
00:49:33.780The reason I mentioned something like foot modeling is I wouldn't care if you were a foot model at all.
00:49:39.160Maybe it's because I don't find feet arousing at all, but like I would just take this perspective of, oh, you conned a bunch of weird guys who had malfunctioning sexual systems.
00:49:50.620If you did ASMR or like audio, like not say for audio stuff, I'd be like, whatever.
00:49:55.720I've noticed a thing, not infrequently online, where people shame requests they've received online to see pictures of their feet and also make an effort to not post pictures of their feet online.
00:50:09.820And that really confuses me because I'm like, dude, if someone gets erect when they look at my feet or your feet, like why no one is hurt.
00:50:19.340It's interesting for me because like it has, I don't view it as like a sexual part of your body.
00:50:24.100So like, I guess that maybe that's why I have so little like feeling like I would care.
00:50:29.040Well, what if, what if, but what if someone else does?
00:50:32.160I guess their problem is that someone else does.
00:50:52.200And this is actually interesting when we talk about like the woman on stage thing and stuff like that.
00:50:57.400While I might find it really disgusting to be giving a woman money who's like on a porn stage or something like that.
00:51:06.020If I knew some other guy was gooning over a porn stage that I was successfully having with someone, I would be like, oh, he's just like a pathetic simp.
00:51:15.020And this further solidifies my own status as the dominant male in this scenario, which doesn't like, I wouldn't say I, I, I would actively get off to like sharing porn I had made with you, but I wouldn't find it.
00:51:29.440It wouldn't make me more gross of you.
00:52:14.140I wouldn't care that much if you, if it was like actually, well, no.
00:52:17.800If guys, like it would matter a degree, but the more you do this, it gets closer to not mattering.
00:52:23.060It's closer to foot modeling than it is to real like OnlyFans or even porn.
00:52:28.300And, and I should note that for me, like if we have this, this thing between foot modeling on OnlyFans and you having sex with other men for money or you having sex with other men.
00:52:38.520And then people are watching porn of that.
00:52:40.400If you take a you naked on OnlyFans, it is, and we're talking about like a 10 yard foot line here.
00:52:46.500It is one foot away from the foot modeling.
00:53:28.520It's like, these guys were something over something they never really had access to, which just makes it seem like, well, pathetic simps to me.
00:53:37.180Like that's not really, my wife was using this, you know, without actually giving them anything.
00:53:44.160And so like with a daughter, I might be like, well, maybe find ways to engage with that.
00:53:48.460Or if she had a really high sex drive, I'd be like, write romance books for other women.
00:53:51.840And get really good with sex toys, I guess.
00:53:53.760Yeah, I mean, I'd say that, and again, I'm not going to like force my daughter to do anything, but in terms of the best path forwards, I think that you damage enough of your value as in sexual marketplaces, or marriage marketplaces, I should say, by sleeping around a lot.
00:54:12.500It's just not worth it for women, really, in almost any circumstance.
00:56:50.040So, it, like, can conceptually happen, but I think...
00:56:52.800Okay, so I'm going to let out a secret about the lesbian community, okay?
00:56:55.300So, I used to be pretty progressive and everything like that, and I slept around a lot, right?
00:57:00.160And one of the areas that was always, like, the free sex pipeline was lesbians.
00:57:06.620There are a lot of lesbians who don't actually like being lesbians that much.
00:57:13.160They do it for whatever, whether it's political or personal or emotional reasons, but they really desire to sleep with men, but be able to do it without it affecting their public reputation or self-creation.
00:57:28.360Oh, so they're not seen as slutty because they're lesbians.
00:57:34.100I mean, they want to be seen as the right politics.
00:57:36.540They want to be seen as the right whatever.
00:57:38.920Things being, like, a proper lesbian and everything like that, and their status was in the gay community and not being bi as a woman and everything.
00:58:10.200So, I guess the key for us as parents, then, if we're going to take something away from this revelation, realization, dynamic that we're now aware of, we need to be really explicit about the risks and downsides of polyamory, especially with our daughters.
00:58:28.500But also with our sons, especially post-23, that it causes a lot of knock-on effects that we will walk them through explicitly.
00:58:37.280Because the key isn't to say, no, never do this.
00:59:48.220So, there would just be no way I could ever...
00:59:54.380I mean, your program, in a way, that would be very advantageous for program biologically, for many women from, you know, a lot of different cultural frameworks.
01:00:03.420Not every cultural framework, but certainly, you know, our cultural framework.
01:00:06.520An old, like, puritanical cultural framework.
01:00:18.220I think it's heritable, but I also think it's correlated with, clustered with autism.
01:00:23.740Well, no, I've pointed out to people in the past that cultures that, in which you'd have a genetic advantage by being high arousal and sleeping with people a lot, you know, voluntarily.
01:00:35.240Like, Catholic culture really relies on that, or used to rely on that to increase their fertility rate.
01:00:40.200And I have mentioned, as somebody who slept around a lot, it's actually noticeable girls from Catholic cultural backgrounds are much hornier.
01:00:48.800They prefer sex much more frequently than others.
01:00:50.960So, the whole stereotype of the Catholic schoolgirl or the sexy nun is a thing for a reason.
01:00:55.980It might be that this isn't due to repression.
01:01:01.800They would have historically had more children based on their arousal level and their willingness to get into early and frequent relationships.
01:01:10.660And as I've mentioned, the Catholic used to interpret the line, that which the Lord has binded, man shall not tear us under, to mean that, like, if you got into an early relationship and you got pregnant, then it's not that you can never get married again, which is true for some cultures.
01:01:24.080Like, in some cultures, if you get pregnant as a young woman, you don't automatically marry that guy.
01:01:30.220You just become ineligible for marriage for the rest of your life because you're basically tainted goods.
01:01:36.580Whereas in Catholic cultures, even for, like, royals, you married that guy in that way.
01:01:42.480Not, like, high royals, but, like, mid-royals.
01:01:44.780High royals got to do whatever they want.
01:01:45.980The point I'm making here is that this culture motivated high arousal, whereas your form of arousal is just more, like, dedicated arousal.
01:01:54.920Like, I'm going to bond with, like, one individual who I already know internally, like, I'm with for life.
01:02:01.420And the thing that's going to motivate children is deciding to have children, not that I didn't have a condom or poor.
01:02:10.380Well, I could see it not being well-selected evolutionarily because it seems like where we're losing the birth rates in demographic collapse is mistake babies.
01:07:04.360And I burned all that reputation I gained by becoming a Republican who's not never Trump.
01:07:09.980But it was interesting to me because all of these people who had entered these oligarchical roles within our society and benefited from the existing social structure, staying within the status quo, are, of course, terrified.
01:07:22.360Because the status quo is being overturned through this administration.
01:07:26.120And nobody, you know, it hurts more from that than people with positions of extent power.
01:07:32.300And it was really fascinating to see the way that they saw this.
01:07:38.780And the same way to me, like, I had given up on civilization surviving.
01:07:42.940I was like, look, I'm preparing my kids for a post-civilization world.
01:07:46.900I do not think that anything close to something contiguous with our current or ancestral culture can survive.
01:07:53.020And now, given what Trump and Elon and Vance, the triumvirate, have been doing, I now feel hope that civilization may survive.
01:08:03.080But at the same time, they had this exact opposite perspective of, like, as an avalanche society is collapsing from this status quo that they knew and believed was, I guess, inherently good because it was the status quo.
01:09:09.820Well over 50% of your citizens voted for a candidate who was right-leaning and said that they would end immigration.
01:09:16.340And yet that will end up not happening because the center right in your country is a bunch of traitors who don't care about the will of the people and only care about maintaining the status quo and their positions of institutional privilege.
01:09:30.760So they won't side with the other side.
01:09:32.800They won't, the AFD, who they need to, to get votes passed to handle immigration in an appropriate way.
01:09:37.700And your people will be erased from history, period.
01:09:42.940There is no going back if you look at your current fertility rate and the differential fertility rates or the rate that immigrants are coming into your country.
01:09:55.460And I think that any shot that you do have now, and this is the really horrifying thing about what the left is doing, especially in Europe, is going to look like, well, racism, right?
01:10:07.300Because the only way that they've shown the right, that the right can operate is, okay, we can't win an election.
01:10:20.000Oh, and you've imported so many people into our country who are hostile to our cultures and do not want to see this culture continue anymore.
01:10:29.560We have to get them out of the country.
01:10:32.540And that's going to look like a horrifying mass deportation that is going to be inhumane in the extreme because you can't just deport that many people without it being inhumane in the extreme.
01:10:41.220But, you know, now in Germany, around 25% of the population is a descendant of somebody who migrated after the 1950s.
01:10:55.380This is not about, like, oh, immigrants should be allowed to come to our country or not, especially when you look at the terrorist attacks that are happening regularly now in Germany.
01:11:03.820Like, this is getting wild at this point.
01:11:05.760But anyway, anyway, so, you know, that was my perspective reading this, and it's just so interesting that I do feel like we're winning.
01:11:15.840Like, it's like an avalanche of, oh, my God, this old system was leading humanity to extinction, and now somebody's trying to fix this.
01:11:23.260Somebody's fixing the bloated bureaucracy.
01:11:25.280Somebody's doing things that could fix fertility rates.
01:11:27.340Somebody is fixing our trust in institutions, getting rid of the media, which had become basically a lie machine, and everybody knew that at this point.
01:11:34.800And getting rid of DEI recently launched our initiative, deiremediation.com.
01:11:40.760We actually have that URL, and we're going to be working to see if we can implement these services to help make companies more efficient.
01:11:47.500But I don't know what angry responses I'm going to get for sending that.
01:11:50.320I just did that thing of opening a door, throwing a grenade into a room, and being like, peace!
01:11:56.120I think it'll be the same thing that happens with most urban monoculture situations, realistically, which is shadow banning.
01:12:05.560I mean, it's just even more people who are now going to make sure that no matter what, you are frozen out of anything that they're involved with,
01:12:14.000which they probably weren't fans of you anyway, to begin with, so no loss.