The Ethics of Not Showing Kids On The Internet
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the ethics of putting children in media, and the considerations that need to go into this, as well as the benefits and drawbacks of putting our kids in media. We discuss the pros and cons of children appearing in social media, the risks and benefits of putting them there, and what we can do about it.
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claiming there are no ethical issues here no i'm very clearly not i'm saying there are ethical
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issues but what people on the other side of this argument are pretending which is just
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false and a lie is that there are no potential upsides for the kid from this what i'm doing is
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i am contrasting the upsides with the downsides that they have the environment to start their
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lives with decent sized social media followings within wealthy intellectual circles the doors
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that is going to open for them and this is something that we also haven't talked enough about in society
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is social media followings and the ability to translate these into high value relationships
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if we live in a future in which society's current vetting systems are bankrupt and don't work
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anymore the only way that you can really build trust and have people expect you to deliver on
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what you promise is if they feel like they know you and can trust you and you're predictable
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because trust lies in predictability and the only way that they can know that is if they have some
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kind of access to your thought process or they have a parasocial relationship with you and the only way
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to do that is if you have a very open and transparent media history and we want to have kids whose lives
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matter if you are afraid of people making fun of you online your life won't matter yeah because you
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can't do anything publicly and it's very hard to change the world if you don't do things publicly
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would you like to know more hello everyone i am excited to be here with you today today we are going
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to be talking about the ethics of putting children in media and the considerations that need to go into this
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because a lot of people might look at what we are doing we are a very public family we are in the news
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all the time these days which is funny because our channel is medium-sized but not really
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correlatory to how publicly famous we are getting but again just this last week in like the big
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three-page front-page piece in the guardian and then a bunch of follow-up pieces to that and then
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trending and so people are like wow your kids are in all of these like in the vice documentary right
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this little baby right here is in the media because she is in this shot yeah and i watch a
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lot of snark online a lot of the snark there's a big theme in people criticizing parents who include
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their children in tiktok and instagram and youtube posts etc and whenever they include clips that they're
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criticizing they blur out the poor baby's faces because they've been included in the shot and even when
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they're trying to critique the video they themselves do not want to repeat the crime of putting a child's
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face online which to a certain extent i understand the basics of where they're coming from for example
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on google photos which uses facial recognition it is able to recognize the faces of baby versions of
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very old people like it is very good at continuous face facial recognition so it's not oh it's a it's
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them as a baby no one will know that this was them oh actually they will there is no not parsing that
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but also you and i've been talking a lot about this recently this concept of privacy is such a farce
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and often to a great extent trying to be more private and trying to hide is only subjective i'm
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gonna push back on you here from their perspective yeah you can say that as an adult privacy is a farce
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to adults okay yeah which is very hard to actually both be private and have an impact on the world
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in this current world you can be private but you are sacrificing your ability to impact society by
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doing that yeah however and i think that most like sane ethical systems believe some form of social
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impact is a personal obligation i can see how there could be like heinous based ethical systems or like
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weird ones where like your family is literally the only thing that matters but your family is going
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to have to deal with downstream consequences of a society you didn't alter yeah so that's silly to
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me so as an adult yeah i believe that privacy is a silly thing to strive for but you could keep our
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children from appearing in any media like i could genuinely achieve that in the way that the world is
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structured today so why delta okay now let's talk about the ethical position that they're arguing from
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right they're saying the child did not consent being in media and therefore the child should not be
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in media right which is a fairly stupid argument children do not consent to the
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vast majority of parental decisions made around them they did not consent to broccoli they did not
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consent to bedtime they did not consent to exact many things right so that's just stupid like the
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consent argument around kids appearing in media is stupid but they would argue broccoli and bedtime
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are good for you media is bad but that's their judgment and this is what we're fundamentally going
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to argue by the end of this video is that i suspect that the core value source in our society going
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forward especially like accreditation source with the universities collapsing as trusted sources of
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accreditation because i've seen this more and more just nobody trusts the universities like they've gone
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way too far on dei they've basically become these extremist cults nobody really sees them as a good source of an
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individual's value anymore yeah where do people and then it's like what about like designer brands
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no longer like this sort of scarcity around fancy clothes no longer has value anymore it's what is
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luxury what is value today because we have now i think cross-correlated luxury with um signs of this
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is somebody you should pay attention to which is the way historically used to be the guy who walked into
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the village with all the beads on him and all the gold on him what he was showing is i'm someone you
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should pay attention to i am someone you should well really to boil it down someone who actually has
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wealth or luxury has a scarce commodity and right now branded luxury goods are not a scarce commodity a
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lot of these other things prestigious university degrees are becoming less scarce as a commodity for example
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there are a lot of people claiming that they have a harvard degrees because they've gone to a harvard
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extension program they just stretch it a little bit and other universities have really
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loosened their admission criteria right so yeah so it's scarce commodities but in this current
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world order the it seems to be sorting towards the core thing of value and the core sign of competence
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and the core thing that opens doors from you is subscriber count basically it's how many people are
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paying attention to you in online environments please and subscribe no but i mean that very seriously
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right i would say it's that or other means of proving value like i i built this thing that
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created this much in wealth or i am able to turn this thing into money so you have to just prove value
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or prove reach and i think reach is a sign of proven value and that's what we're looking at you can no
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longer just use someone's vetting or someone's someone else's possessions to get there yeah there are i would say
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it's there are other means but it's mostly proven reach if you look at what's the richest person in
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the world doing with his money elon musk he's buying twitter slash x right he is buying something that
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gives him control of the flow of information because that is the key thing about especially as we move
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into an economy with more ai where human labor has a different value than it did in a historic context
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where like human information labor is less important than human creative labor where creativity
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isn't defined in the narrow sense it was historically which is to say around narrow like pictures which it
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turns out were just like averages basically or art which it turned out with averages or music because
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all of this was very easy for ai to replicate but nuanced conversation and interpretation
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of what's going on in a global context and philosophical and cultural like the type of
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information that we are providing people with or the type of entertainment we are providing people with
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we loop our children into this at an early age and they come out with the large followings basically
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starting their lives what people are from our perspective arguing against our kids having
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right is it's almost in the last generation it's like we have prepaid for our kids to go to harvard
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but they also absolutely have to go to harvard and you can say what if your kids don't want to go to
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harvard i'm like that's a possibility a lot of people in the world might not want to go to harvard
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yeah but on the edge if i told the kid i didn't know if you'd want to go to harvard or not so i didn't
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prepay and secure your acceptance the vast majority of people would be like fuming are you insane how dare
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you deny me this opportunity that i had so set in stone for some sort of bizarre i wasn't sure if you'd want
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it or not that is the way that we relate to this concept so we can look at the counters is what if your kids
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don't want this right so you need to look at the actual because we're very consequentialist in our ethics
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what are the actual consequences negative consequences to our kids for being in media and
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stuff like that i can walk i can walk through some of that and i think this is where the nuance comes
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in that people aren't willing to discuss and a lot of this is is similar to what we saw with corporal
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punishment where there's a lot of people who are like under no circumstances can this thing ever be
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done and then on the other end you have people who take it too far after hearing that it's okay or
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thinking that it's okay and there has to be happy mediums so the top critiques that i hear when
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people are criticizing this is one parents are bringing up subjects that these kids probably
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really don't want to have to have their parents talking about my daughter just had her first period
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now i'm picking up tampons for her and we're gonna go have the talk on how she's gonna use them
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and the teenager maybe that's not something that she really wants to have heard or people talk about
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with eight passengers obviously ruby frank was having conversations with her kids when her kids
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were even quite openly and verbally signaling that they did not want to have those conversations
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on camera so there are instances in which there's active lack of consent there are instances in which
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embarrassing things are happening there are instances in which the kid is okay with it at the
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time but in the future you're pretty sure like 80 to 90 percent confidence that that person is not
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going to be happy to have that video content out there because it's just embarrassing and then
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there's the instance or the issue of financial exploitation and already states i think like
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california have legislation that require parents that are making money from content with their kids
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and them have to set aside a certain amount of income for their kids but this is far from universal
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legislation and i imagine that many parents that should be compensating their children for the income
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that they're getting using their children are not doing so and just using their children so i want to
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push against all of these points because yeah go ahead okay i'll explain why they're dumb so
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first you've got to look at different age ranges and stuff like that yeah absolutely so suppose
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industry the one who's in the shot right now wants to be a private person when she gets older
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within no like normative or logically consistent ethical system could she be concerned that
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something that she did at this age is going to be used against her as an adult like what is the effect
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what about that girl who tweeted those that the hummus or but the girl who tweeted really insensitive and
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very racially bad things racist things and then her father's business was completely shut down i've
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forgotten his name what do you think industry is going to be tweeting anything are you out of your mind
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but what i'm saying though is there are instances you need to divide by age ranges okay anything below
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i'd say the age of probably about six just isn't going to affect you as an adult maybe even the age
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of seven anything below the age of seven yeah i'll go seven anything below the age of seven just no one
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they're like a seven year old that's probably fair yeah and they're probably not people are like
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that tweeting anti and you could be like what if the kids walking around screaming racial
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obscenities or something like that one more reflection of the parents than anything that's
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more a reflection of the parents it's going to be a general problem anyway if they're that sort of
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person when they're that young again and whether or not they're online it is not a problem that their
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parents made a mistake there their parents made a mistake somewhere if that's happening okay
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the point is that under the age of seven or so there's they're just not going to be held
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responsible for any of their actions once they decide to become private and all of this stuff can
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really be disintermediated from their adult identity so it is largely irrelevant especially when
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there is a potential positive for them now we're going to deal with the tricky age okay and this is the
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age you were talking about yeah this is like seven to
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maybe eleven oh maybe seven to yes you're saying tween years really i thought it was like that that
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sort of i would say from 13 to adulthood no i i actually don't think there's any and so we'll
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take out the tween years and then we'll just jump to the next age range to explain why it's not
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ethically complicated okay the sort of i'd say 11 and up so let's say 12 and all over these are
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fully cognitively human things they can decline consent whenever they want they can say i don't
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want to appear on film and if they say i don't want to appear on film i think it is the parents
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duty to respect that and i think honestly in most cases except when you're dealing with like actual
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crazy people like the eight passenger situation most parents respect that yeah if a kid says
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there you say if a kid ever says no i would even say what if a five-year-old or four-year-old says
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no then we don't we would never put yeah but i don't look what i would say is a four-year-old not
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saying no even if they might have said no if they were more cognitive is not relevant to me because
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then there's no real negative repercussions for their no one's going to judge them for the thing
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that they might have said no to right right so irrelevant and then you could be like yeah but
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what if a 12 or 13 year old is they they say yes but then they do something stupid like something
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racist or something like overly sexually aggressive or and it's and then they have to deal with
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repercussions for that when they're older just excuse me what about me when i was 20 if i did stuff
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like that and then i had to deal with repercussions for it when i'm like a totally different person now
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people change over time all i can do is try to inform my kids as much about the world as possible
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and hope that they make good decisions the fact that they might need to if my 12 year old murders
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someone are they not supposed to be long-term responsible for that be realistic people so i really
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just don't see a lot of ethical consequences there like we are giving our kids the chance as fully
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mentally developed beings not fully but like they're on the way to full mental development and
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they have the ability to decline consent and the record the historic record is going to be judging
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them with that in mind so as an example recently i saw there was somebody trying to cancel turkey top
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for saying something using racial slurs when he was 15 or 16 on like twitter threads now he wasn't
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public he didn't have parents who were making him public but once you're at this fully mental age and
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you're in an online space this is where your argument of privacy is an illusion at that point
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right um he wasn't public but he became famous later and so though things became relevant later
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and most people were just like bro he was 15 chill out and nobody who matters actually cares turkey
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tom isn't canceled turkey tom is a popular youtube channel who most people think positively of who are
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not insane might an insane minority hate yeah but that insane minority doesn't matter like they don't have
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like okay ignore the insane minority because they don't matter and they'll always find some reason
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to hate you no matter what if you fit into the groups that they desire to hate so now we've got
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into the do you have any counter thoughts to that it seems like you might before we get into the tween
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category i guess i some i'm most i mostly agree with that i do think though that what this this means
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also is that you have to do this the right way you have to educate your kids about the ramifications
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of anything that they do online or frankly around any smart device or anyone who's holding a phone
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because that phone could be recording but perhaps the the fact that we would have our our kids on
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camera anyone who does have their kids on camera and does educate them about safety around these things
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it acts as a good forcing function it gives them essentially media training at a young age for example
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had the girl i'm thinking of who tweeted all these racist things been trained early and also been
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exposed to media a lot earlier maybe she would have been a whole lot more savvy and wouldn't have
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tweeted all those things that ultimately then destroyed probably much of her career and also
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really either destroyed or really compromised her father's business which employed quite a few
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extended family members as well yeah so there i think it's more just good parenting and it's just
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that you're more on the hot seat for good parenting and in a way this could be positive for the kids
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because again yeah only look at the negatives if we are doing a bad job as parents it is going to be
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more loudly and immediately obvious at these age ranges if our kids have a public window right
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now i need to look at the of our life philosophy in general and that we are willing to be subject to
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criticism and we believe that's the right way is that if you're wrong you want to know that you're
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wrong and so the idea that so many people are trying to hide anything that might be criticized
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about their lifestyles their beliefs how they raise their kids or their kids lives that they're trying
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to hide that from any potential criticism means that if they are doing something wrong they're
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probably not going to correct it which is a pretty big deal and so i like that so we we get to know
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a lot sooner and the public gets to know a lot sooner are we bad parents you don't have to wait
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until our kids are adults to know that you'll find out pretty soon i think because we do plan to keep
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our kids in the media spotlight and i do plan to with this podcast as our kids develop more
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cognizance bring them into the podcast when they want to participate yeah i imagine five ten years
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from now instead of me talking to simone every day some days it'll be me talking to one of the kids
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or simone talking to one of the kids or two of the kids talking to each other i want this to be a
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family thing that's based around their understanding of reality and their engagement with reality
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because i think people would find that very interesting and i think they'd find that very
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interesting as a historic record of their development of ideas and stuff like that we'd
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keep it focused it wouldn't be like a normal parenting podcast i'm not interested in you guys
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seeing like how awesome of a dad i am by like following me around and making sure i'm punishing
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them correctly and making sure i'm doing like a lot of the parental bloggers no i can see a
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secondary youtube channel that's just octavian and torsten they already have very interesting
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conversations yeah i'm much more interested in the philosophical development of my kids
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and their development in terms of self-narrative and how they think about reality in the world
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i think that's more interesting and i think that our audience would find it pretty interesting
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and i don't think i just don't see a lot of negative externalities coming from that for my kids in the
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future even if they decide to be private there's a lot of child stars who are now like oh yeah i'm
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private now because i decided to become private it's not like some huge scarring thing for them
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unless they like got into drugs or something while they were a child star and that's even people who
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i think i don't know catch a lot of heat for things typically it only goes wrong when they
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strisand it when they're like oh no no one needs to know this we have to stop this right now and then
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they flail a lot and then people pay even more attention so again a lot of this comes down to media
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training which i think is a key theme here is that parents have to be savvy about teaching their kids
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how to deal with a public life but also only doing this with consent so now we need to talk about the
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ethically dubious age so this is the seven to eleven age range when kids are cognitive enough
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to do things that can cause long-term repercussions for them and they are also in hierarchical social
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environments where things that they do privately they may not want shared but they may not have the
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ability to be able to tell their parents i don't consent to you sharing this information whether it's
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or it's puberty or something like that like we would always just have a rule if you're going
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through something and you just don't want us to share it just say i don't consent to you sharing
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with me yeah at that age range i can understand where some concerns come in but again not really
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so i'll explain why they're not really enough it's where you get this a little blurring of the slider
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of but they didn't know at that age range that why would have those consequences
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okay and i think that we are entering a generation where because of the consequences of doing something
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like going online and yelling a bunch of racial slurs or like sexually aggressively approaching
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someone can be as severe to a person's long-term like employability as them as an 11 year old taking a
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knife and stabbing their little sister we need to teach them that those consequences are that severe
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at a very young age and make sure that they internalize that and and it's more of a i think
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people who want to keep this pure privacy at this age are more people who are just not about parental
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responsibility in terms of the them teaching kids like proper social boundaries because even without us
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they're on a discord or something like that and they do something insane like this is there's still
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consequences for it and people can be like they chose to be on those social media channels they
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chose to be on that discord or that twitter or that youtube channel it's not really all of these
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things have addiction-based algorithms or those tiktoks right that have sucked them into them do they
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really choose them no it's a combination of their parents and their environment and their so again i'm
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just not really concerned and and this is where you get to the downside now i'm like claiming there are
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no ethical issues here no i'm very clearly not i'm saying there are ethical issues but what
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people on the other side of this argument are complaining or pretending which is just false
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and a lie is that there are no potential upsides for the kid from this what i'm doing is i am
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contrasting the upsides with the downsides and they're the probabilistic relation our kids will have
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to those upsides and downsides okay so when i look at my kids um coming out of this that they have the
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environment to start their lives with decent sized social media followings within wealthy intellectual
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circles the doors that is going to open for them it's just so obvious to me then you go look at who's
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even though the podcast is okay like we do like thousand three hundred hours a day or something at this
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point we've got about 55 people watching us at any given time at this point uh day or night if you just
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look at what's the average probability somebody's watching our channel and this is just on youtube and
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we distribute to other channels but so this isn't a huge number but what's the demographics of this number
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because we know because we interact with a lot of them it's venture capitalists it's campaign operatives
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it is academics it is this channel just does not appeal to like your average person that much and
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it is the type of people who one my kids can source good career opportunities from that will get them a
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huge leg up in life but two and i think that this is really important that they can source partners
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through and this is something that we also haven't talked enough about in society is social media
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followings and the ability to translate these into high value relationships which i think is going
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to be when our kids are like yeah i really appreciate that you were able to hook me up with a spouse
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through this network that you spent the time to build but yeah and i want to create something that is a
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clan based network or channel or something like that so that my kids right now we're trying to build it so
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that we get a tv show made on our family and we're in talks with a lot of people that i can't talk about
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but as we do that i want it to be like a clan based media empire right like where they are working with
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each other to build up their own properties but they're also investing in any properties that we
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built out so what you're saying is a lot of your interest personally in inheriting any properties we
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built out in having a lot of people be aware of your behavior and philosophy and activity is it makes
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more people willing to are interested in working with you and the same would happen with our kids
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yeah if there's if we live in a future in which society's current vetting systems are bankrupt and
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don't work anymore the only way that you can really build trust and have people expect you to deliver
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on what you promise is if they feel like they know you and can trust you and you're predictable
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because trust lies in predictability and the only way that they can know that is if they have some
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kind of access to your thought process or they have a parasocial relationship with you and the only way
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to do that is if you have a very open and transparent media history and if you can't show those receipts
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and you reach out to someone and you say i want to work with you or i think we should start a business
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together or please hire me they have nothing to go on so yeah when it's not just that as the economy
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changes like if our kids want to start a company how do they get their customers like it's hard to get
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customers right but if they have online followings it's much easier yeah how do they get how do they
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get anything they want like everything gets easier for them the larger a following they have and we
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have some people in our circles that are like i want to be as private as possible and it's because
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they view i think negative comments about them online is like a genuinely negative thing when like
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random haters don't matter like they do not matter yeah yeah there was one critique video i watched
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where they showed a clip of someone filming their kid's reaction to someone like an online commenter
00:26:52.920
is snarking about their name or something and the kid looked hurt and was like why would someone say
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that and they just looked genuinely like their feelings were hurt i think that is a combination of
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bad media training in general but they're totally missing the point that if a kid learns early on that a bunch
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of idiots online are going to say dumb things about them they're going to develop a much thicker skin
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they're going to become anti-fragile and shielding a kid from mean commentary online or from criticism
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that is coming really from no strong foundation it's not something to worry about they're gonna
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bergen we have an episode of like it's humanity becoming the bergens from the trolls series which i
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reference way too much on this show for a child's cartoon but yeah the bergens are gonna bergen they just
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hate everything they're weird mutants who sit online all day yelling at people on the earlier you get
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used to their commentary not mattering the better because we even know people now who after seeing the
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tiniest semblance of that act as though someone has showed up their front porch with a gun pointed at them
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and this is not a productive way to live and if that's what takes you out in a day if that's what
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you have a freak out your life is never going to matter yeah and we want to have kids whose lives
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matter if you are afraid of people making fun of you online your life won't matter yeah because you
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can't do anything publicly and it's very hard to change the world in any sort of productive way
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if you don't do things publicly so that's the other thing where i'm just like i don't care like it's about
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training my kids to be good people not about protecting them from dealing with the consequences
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of their actions no i need to help head off those actions to begin with and we live in this fragile
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world right and i think that you make a great point there i'm really sad because some of the people we
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know who are like oh my god like you guys are getting so famous and now it's hurting me and
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because you're in the media and some idiots don't like you and it's how are you ever going to do
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anything you don't disagree with my views i know you don't disagree with my views you don't disagree
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with how we're trying to change the world you're just afraid of pushback so you can't do anything
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even if you're competent even if you're rich you can't do anything until you are willing to allow
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the world to hate you or the idiots the bergens to hate you because the truth is and you've seen this
00:29:23.920
with the whole like corporal punishment controversy where at first simone was like oh my god everybody
00:29:29.220
hates us online i gotta chill out some more there were things i was embarrassed about with that
00:29:33.760
article i was embarrassed that i had framed kevin dolan is further right than he really is he's
00:29:38.880
actually probably to the left of me he just has a public reputation as being to the right of me and
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i shouldn't have done that and i was really guilty about that because i had caused somebody else
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negative repercussions that they didn't need to deal with but the slap itself i was like no this is
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going to turn out in our favor don't worry about it like the research agrees with it and you've seen
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that now since then like everyone we know who is like a smart competent person has been like
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yeah they were right to do that what or at least that this is a nuanced situation i think that's
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i haven't heard that i no i literally haven't heard anything other than enthusiastic support
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what do we have we got like richard hanania with enthusiastic support we recently had sarah
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hater and megan dunn yeah but no but they said it's nuanced they said it's nuanced sarah hater
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didn't even say that i don't think she practices corporal punishment with her own kids she just had
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made one comment that like sorry i i watched the whole video she said if it's not done in anger
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okay and it's not done to cause pain yeah but i that's i count that as nuanced no one's coming
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up being like we're not saying that either yeah she said it is enthusiastic support was in the realm
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of what actually happened yeah okay and and this is what you saw with other people who reached out
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to us whether it's a god we had her on early we should have her on more often i i have an episode
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of hers that i haven't done yeah diana fleshman it's on how we can stand being such lazy parents
00:31:05.340
that's the episode that haven't gone live yet oh we should do that i'll put it out she's so cool
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i've got such a backload of interviews because i'm always i process the interview so much slower
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than the other episodes because it causes me like emotional pain to process them because i have to
00:31:20.860
think through somebody else judging me and i often just don't really fully process the interviews i
00:31:25.680
think going forwards that's what i should plan on doing is just interviews are cut as they are
00:31:30.640
why not because i can't deal i do not like social environments and it's like reliving a social
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scene whenever we do one that's why i'm so slow as i'm like to make this or hater one anyway i
00:31:45.280
absolutely love my wife you are amazing i appreciate that you are so sane in this world of stupid weird
00:31:54.060
deontological stuff the concern do you it doesn't matter when you're talking about a fucking four-year-old
00:31:59.980
okay because they no it doesn't they don't understand i think it's important to model
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what when and i no i actually do think that an infant can show and a toddler can show consent and
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lack of consent you tell you can tell when our children are not happy with the situation and
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when they're happy with the situation i don't i don't disagree with that but the problem is that
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when you value the perspectives of somebody who's not fully mentally developed you get stupid things
00:32:26.000
does my child consent to being punished when they do bad things do they consent to time out do they
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can no they don't consent to that i mean of course they don't they're a child i'm just saying that
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there's nuance and then there isn't nuance there isn't nuance i i am saying there isn't nuance okay
00:32:43.900
if our child comes to us and they go i think i'm a woman today can you medically transition me or put me
00:32:49.920
on a drug that will change the course of my life i'm gonna be like no fuck off that's a dumb idea
00:32:53.980
i understand that you're hearing about this online but you're four like you don't even like
00:33:00.600
our four-year-old cannot consistently state his gender but malcolm if our if our two-year-old or
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something saw us filming him with a camera and said no and ran away and started crying we would
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think it wasn't cool to film him with a camera i suppose but that doesn't happen i know it doesn't
00:33:19.340
happen but if it did we would take it seriously yeah we take it seriously but i'm just saying it
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doesn't happen so it's not within the realm i guess there might be some kids that are afraid of
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the public seeing them but our kids love it yeah that's you know our fortunate reality but again
00:33:35.640
it's because they're genetically related to us so i think that this is another thing that people
00:33:39.180
don't understand is we're making these decisions for people who will think similarly to us and yeah
00:33:45.240
and any of that in mind for all these influencer fame whores as well who are fame whores like us
00:33:50.300
but these people have children who are probably at least a little bit like them and but the problem
00:33:57.660
with a lot of the fame whores and i'd say that they're in a more ethically questionable scenario than
00:34:01.780
us is they use their children to augment the way the public sees them so their children are props to
00:34:08.340
demonstrate their parenting and stuff like that to the public whereas our children like the point of all
00:34:14.480
of this is our children the point of developing the school is our children the point of everything
00:34:17.860
is giving our children the best shot possible yeah we are developing like an intellectual
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conversation brand which is very different from the brand that a lot of people are developing
00:34:27.740
is like the only negatives to our brand is that it's weird and the kids can even leverage that in
00:34:33.480
their early social media days if they want to go against it i hate what my parents did it's horrible
00:34:37.420
but great way to get sympathy and build up a lot of followers in your early days right like
00:34:41.120
even if they disagree with us that very disagreement can be capitalized on but only because of how
00:34:47.540
extremely weird and extremist we are we're an extremist and they just look ungrateful right you've
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got to create an environment where even if they hate you it's positive yeah and you can't skew things
00:34:57.800
there there are famous examples too of youtubers who i don't know their dog is dying or something and
00:35:03.160
then they are filming in the car and the parents coaching their child on how to look more devastated
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so i think a lot of it also comes down to being genuine i love it all right have a good one
00:35:17.600
simone bye malcolm we're gonna be talking about we're having a call for the natalism conference too
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for anyone who missed the first one be sure to check it out on the website number six and seven
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see you there bye oh we have to go it's a call it's a video call so stay here not stay here but get on
00:35:37.940
the video call wait let me check hold on let me check yep it's a google meet call join it it's in
00:35:47.540
your calendar deleting angry facebook comments what no facebook just seems to bring out like
00:35:54.660
the lowest of the low in terms of haters no twitter is pretty bad that's pretty i appreciate that you
00:36:02.240
engage with twitter to protect me hold up there you are you have my social media comments yeah yeah
00:36:09.440
right here oh that's nice oh great this is all the twitter comments yeah oh kyle you thought me
00:36:15.960
having someone edit my social media would make me look stupid people are actually really stoked on me
00:36:19.600
now it's a pretty brutal job shifting through all that darkness instagram's just funny because now
00:36:26.940
the theme is every time i post something gesundheit oh gesundheit people just say you know it's always
00:36:35.440
oh god his face is red was he just slapped or oh do you slap him for being adventurous or not
00:36:42.120
adventurous enough they'll just find some gotta be like a little bit of both yeah yeah well yeah
00:36:48.020
i would love to post the uh venezuela meme there this is outrageous you shout like that they put you in
00:36:55.560
jail right away no trial no no nothing you're playing music too loud right to jail right away
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you're driving too fast jail slow jail you undercook fish believe it or not jail you overcook chicken
00:37:08.480
also jail undercook overcook parks and rack is so underrated it's actually not underrated this
00:37:15.400
show it got the attention it deserved i think hey octavian what's the name of the island
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oh do you have dirty fingers octavian what do we do when somebody gets dirty fingers
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what are you doing octavian you helping push the boats