Based Camp - The Fundie Snark To Religious Extremist Pipeline

00:00:00.000 I like seeing people who have taken hard cultural stances be criticized to see how we might be subject to criticism ourselves and what we may be doing wrong.

00:00:11.260 I really like Fundy Fridays and I really like Jen.

00:00:13.500 But yeah, she's in as much of a cult as the people who she covers.

00:00:18.060 They all come from very strong cultures that have skews and blind spots because of those strong cultures. 1.00

00:00:23.300 Not to say that we don't have blind spots either, but still. 0.96

00:00:25.500 Yeah, and they're insane religious cults. 0.91

00:00:28.100 They're the good guys in her insane religious cult.

00:00:30.800 She's the good guy and she's doing what the cult is telling her to do.

00:00:33.940 She's just never stepping back.

00:00:35.800 She'd started tongue-in-cheek that are frills of the channel now still speak very much or similar to the small-time career preachers that she criticizes.

00:00:46.100 Her followers call themselves Jenonites and they patronize her.

00:00:50.260 And how is that different from being a preacher in the end?

00:00:53.300 Preachers speak to people.

00:00:54.560 They cultivate communities.

00:00:55.900 Would you like to know more?

00:00:56.840 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:00:58.180 I am so excited to be here with you today.

00:01:01.180 After a tough day today, it is always nice to be able to come back to doing something that we love, which is these conversations.

00:01:10.600 They are so much better.

00:01:11.680 You've been meditating with me earlier.

00:01:13.360 Like, they're so much better than a date because they're, like, recorded and we watch them over and over again.

00:01:17.620 Each of us do.

00:01:18.480 I actually quite enjoy our own YouTube channel.

00:01:21.460 And what?

00:01:22.000 I know, it's weird.

00:01:23.940 But this is the first time I've ever created something that I really, like, with our books, I don't read them over and over again.

00:01:28.500 But I'm like, oh, I know I made a fun joke in this one.

00:01:31.060 And I like the way I constructed it.

00:01:32.440 But what actually got us on today's topic was Simone has always been a big fan of Fundy Snark content. 0.58

00:01:41.180 And I have always been a big fan of religious content.

00:01:45.660 And religious content for me includes the deconverts and stuff like that.

00:01:51.780 And where our two worlds interlapped recently was Classically Abby.

00:01:58.700 Being a conservative woman in today's day and age is not easy.

00:02:02.320 So people might not know this, but Classically Abby is Ben Shapiro's sister.

00:02:07.400 And she absolutely spammed YouTube with so, so many ads a few years ago. 0.96

00:02:12.480 If you're on YouTube now and you've been on YouTube for years, you know what we're talking about.

00:02:17.460 You know what this is about.

00:02:18.640 Yeah.

00:02:18.980 You're like, oh my God, I remember when I had to watch her.

00:02:21.000 What got me about Classically Abby, and this actually has boosted my ego so much.

00:02:25.920 Classically Abby, we produce videos every weekday.

00:02:28.940 Classically Abby produces one video a week, but otherwise similar format to us.

00:02:34.160 She gets about 2.2K views on an average video.

00:02:38.620 Whereas we're generally between the low 2Ks to 7 or 8K views.

00:02:44.860 On an average day, because we can look at our statistics.

00:02:47.780 So some of our videos just vastly outperform other ones.

00:02:50.980 Like the old Starship Troopers one is a really high number.

00:02:53.860 The Bears one is at a high number.

00:02:55.100 But on average, we're getting about 8,000 views per day.

00:02:58.420 Or about 1,300 watch hours a day.

00:03:01.080 So we are smoking, Classically Abby.

00:03:05.440 Smoking her for a daily channel doing four or five times as well as her weekly channel, which I love.

00:03:14.520 Because she must have spent millions building that up. 0.77

00:03:17.200 And sorry, as to why I love this, people might not know, but we have a beef with Ben Shapiro.

00:03:22.080 He, the first time we really went viral, he was really derogatory towards us and was like, they're nerds.

00:03:28.420 Why does anyone care what these people have to say?

00:03:30.980 And he has just repeatedly, we have tried to get into events that he's doing or has association with.

00:03:37.680 And we are always blocked.

00:03:39.120 Like we are on a blocked, do not talk to list with Ben Shapiro and everyone who talks to Ben Shapiro.

00:03:45.760 He doesn't like you.

00:03:46.960 I can understand why.

00:03:48.400 We're probably pretty threatening to him.

00:03:50.200 That we've actually like grassroots beginning to build up.

00:03:54.020 So Ben Shapiro's thing is he often switches between whatever movement happens to be hot in the conservative space right now.

00:04:00.440 But I think he would have, like when he switched to all the men's rights content and stuff like that.

00:04:05.040 But he doesn't seem to actually have like his own perspective on things.

00:04:08.740 It's more just like whatever he thinks will get him in the moment clout.

00:04:11.760 And I think he thought was his sister.

00:04:12.980 So it's not just audience capture, it's audience capture hopping.

00:04:17.040 Yeah, audience capture hopping.

00:04:19.020 He is addicted to attention.

00:04:21.180 He tried to help out his sister, which I appreciate to get into the same business.

00:04:25.320 But she's just not very interesting.

00:04:27.100 I tried to watch some of her videos and I'm like, I can see why nobody's watching these.

00:04:30.560 It's just conservative TM.

00:04:32.720 You know what I mean?

00:04:33.500 Like just basic takes.

00:04:35.460 Yeah, just the most basic of basic takes.

00:04:38.240 Basic camp.

00:04:39.240 There's no, yeah, the most interesting, least interesting takes.

00:04:42.620 But I want to talk about this phenomenon of Fundy Snark.

00:04:45.740 I want to talk about the various.

00:04:47.460 To be clear, Fundy Snark is people with snarky commentary on fundamentalist religions and people

00:04:54.900 who are religious fundamentalists, just in case you're not familiar with it.

00:04:59.340 Yeah.

00:04:59.760 And it's very different from, I think the reason why we would provide an interesting insight

00:05:05.880 into Fundy Snark is we are people who watch a lot of Fundy Snark content for different reasons.

00:05:11.940 Like I'm interested in how different cultures view other cultural groups and talk about other

00:05:16.960 cultural groups.

00:05:17.920 I think you just like the sass. 0.64

00:05:20.560 Or I like seeing people who have taken hard cultural stances be criticized to see how we

00:05:27.840 might be subject to criticism ourselves and what we may be doing wrong.

00:05:31.780 Because my favorite content is, it turns out that I am wrong about something and I should

00:05:35.820 change course.

00:05:37.280 And Fundy Snark helps me because it is, it does all of that.

00:05:42.380 But yes, it is also snarky gossip.

00:05:45.120 And I don't mind that.

00:05:46.940 If you don't mind it.

00:05:47.660 I don't even do it on Bridgerton.

00:05:49.420 And I'm like, our audience is like 90% male now.

00:05:52.380 It used to be 50-50 better.

00:05:53.160 This is a very interesting pernagalist argument around Bridgerton though.

00:05:55.300 And we were discussing, this is one of the podcast listeners who is in a very progressive

00:05:59.840 part of the Bay Area in Berkeley.

00:06:02.160 And there's a lot of people who are very progressively coded at least, but who also love Bridgerton,

00:06:08.680 which is an insanely pro-natalist TV show on Netflix that large families, it's all about 0.98

00:06:15.040 marrying and having kids.

00:06:16.840 And if our viewers want us to do the Bridgerton episode, let us know.

00:06:20.380 But back to the topic.

00:06:22.120 So we're going to be talking about a few different channels as examples of Fundy Snark content.

00:06:28.260 And what I find very interesting is the differentiation between the channels in terms of like my

00:06:35.960 perspective on whether or not they are fundamental goods for the world or fundamental negatives

00:06:41.960 for the world.

00:06:42.980 Because some of these channels are really just like in a cult, basically.

00:06:46.480 Like the far progressive movement has essentially become a cult.

00:06:49.540 We call it the urban monoculture in our show a lot, stuff like that.

00:06:52.840 But then there's some people who would just seem to be genuinely secular.

00:06:56.600 One of the things I find most interesting about Fundy Snark content is the people who were

00:07:04.360 raised atheist and then turned to Fundy Snark often seem to be the most in a cult of the

00:07:12.200 communities and cult-like.

00:07:13.940 And the people who were raised Mormon and then turned to Fundy Snark often are the most 0.93

00:07:20.260 like kind and open-minded and genuinely engaging.

00:07:25.680 So just there, which I'm sure you're probably going to agree with.

00:07:29.080 Let's list the channels we're talking about and then hear your hypothesis.

00:07:31.820 So the channels that we actively watch, so people know what we're talking about here,

00:07:36.580 is Zelf on the Shelf.

00:07:38.580 What was the other Mormon one? 0.99

00:07:39.820 Jordan and McKay.

00:07:40.820 And then Fundy Snark is a big one.

00:07:44.780 And then Rachel Friday, yes, the subreddit is called Fundy Snark.

00:07:48.160 I would say that like the groups that I say are like fairly benign or even quite positive.

00:07:55.260 I think the two Mormon couples we mentioned was the highest tier being Zelf on the Shelf. 1.00

00:07:59.700 I just see Zelf on the Shelf as being really compassionate about the people that they are

00:08:05.460 targeting to the extent where recently they've done a number of episodes where they are interacting

00:08:10.480 was the girl-defined couple because this couple is open to interacting with them given how

00:08:15.820 open and kind they are towards these individuals.

00:08:18.640 Whereas I put the pedestal of hate content, probably Rachel Oates, and then slightly below 0.93

00:08:24.780 her is Fundy Fridays.

00:08:26.280 Where these people are really just a progressive version of Libs of TikTok, but not as entertaining. 0.97

00:08:31.900 So I'll explain what I mean by that.

00:08:33.940 Libs of TikTok, for people who don't know, they take the most extreme people in this urban 1.00

00:08:39.960 monoculture cult that we talk about and they showcase their behavior and then they attempt

00:08:45.860 to spin sort of a narrative or a perspective where this behavior is actually pretty mainstream

00:08:51.140 in the progressive movement.

00:08:52.840 But like most progressive, though, this isn't mainstream.

00:08:55.140 This is some wacky extremist.

00:08:57.020 Whereas you see a similar thing in, for example, Fundy Fridays, where they will say things like

00:09:03.760 there was in a Duggar video recently where she was saying basically all Republicans are bad

00:09:09.940 and represent a threat to the LGBT community. 0.82

00:09:12.960 And even though more than 50% of Republican voters these days support gay marriage, like it's wild 1.00

00:09:19.640 that these positions they're taking, we'll get more into the wildness of this and the

00:09:23.960 downstream negative repercussions of the positions the extremists are taking.

00:09:31.640 But yeah, so I want to hear your theory.

00:09:33.640 Why do you think the Mormons are-

00:09:34.800 It's not just ex-Mormons.

00:09:35.880 So I think that the reason why born fairly atheist and then remained atheist people have

00:09:42.600 the most skewed Fundy Snark commentary is because they are of the greatest religious fervor.

00:09:49.180 So we've seen that, for example, in polygenic risk scores and generally, religiosity appears

00:09:55.160 to be heritable.

00:09:56.360 People seem to have that.

00:09:58.340 But religiosity doesn't mean like you inherit being a Baptist.

00:10:02.460 It means you inherit a kind of religious fervor or tendency to be quite religious.

00:10:07.180 For example, I have family members who used to be a member of the Raj Nation and went like 1.00

00:10:11.920 pretty conservative Christian.

00:10:13.300 They just jumped from one harder culture to another harder culture instead of just being

00:10:17.800 in a soft culture.

00:10:18.500 So it seems like people tend to gravitate towards hard and soft cultures.

00:10:22.120 And I think that people who are very vehement critics of other cultures are demonstrating

00:10:29.120 the personality tendencies, the behavioral tendencies that drive one to religiosity in the first

00:10:34.880 place.

00:10:35.220 They just happen to be bowing down to the cult or religion of progressivism, of woke, of whatever

00:10:42.620 you want to call it, the urban monoculture.

00:10:44.140 And the people who deconvert from hard religions are naturally those whose behavioral and personality 0.99

00:10:51.300 characteristics are less hardline on any sort of culture.

00:10:56.760 They don't gravitate toward that very hard culture.

00:10:59.740 And so they let it go.

00:11:01.460 And they're more likely to spin out of hard religions because they just don't have a very 1.00

00:11:06.860 high religiosity kind of profile.

00:11:09.240 So that's why I think those who have deconverted tend to be a little bit more tempered and reasonable,

00:11:13.360 whereas those who never deconverted from their culture and have yet devoted their careers

00:11:20.300 to a great extent to this kind of commentary and criticism are more vehement.

00:11:25.900 What do you think?

00:11:26.960 I disagree on that.

00:11:28.620 I suspect it's most cultural and genetic because this is something we just see more generally.

00:11:34.460 And it's something that we've talked about on our channel before is a lot of people think

00:11:37.880 like they have left the culture they were born in.

00:11:40.740 But that one culturally just isn't true.

00:11:43.540 And you see the downstream effects of being outside of a hard cultural group, like a religious

00:11:48.580 cultural group, doesn't really show up in individual personality until about two or three

00:11:54.760 generations after deconversion.

00:11:57.020 And the Mormons who have deconverted were still raised was in Mormon culture.

00:12:01.280 I also think that there's genetic effects here.

00:12:04.040 When I engage with both Mormons and ex-Mormons, both groups I find just, and again, this is probably 1.00

00:12:11.680 a cross between culture and genetics, unusually pleasant people to interact with.

00:12:16.760 Yeah.

00:12:17.160 They are just delightful pleasant people.

00:12:19.560 Wonderful.

00:12:20.480 South Park did a good thing on this.

00:12:22.220 They are just uniquely delightful people. 0.99

00:12:24.960 They're the ones who go to hell.

00:12:25.940 I suspect both reasons.

00:12:26.980 Oh, lost your mortgage.

00:12:28.440 Pay $10,000.

00:12:30.040 Oh, no.

00:12:32.200 Hey, it's Gary.

00:12:33.540 Gary.

00:12:34.120 Great to see you.

00:12:34.880 How are you?

00:12:35.820 Oh, boy.

00:12:36.620 Who is the best mom in the world? 1.00

00:12:38.640 Well, this is actually an interesting thing where a lot of people see us, you and me,

00:12:43.280 and they're like, you guys look like brother and sister.

00:12:46.720 You look like no one I've ever seen before.

00:12:48.640 You act so weird.

00:12:50.220 And we're like, you look at the Puritan spotting checklist that Scott Alexander wrote, and we

00:12:54.420 were like, off the charts on this, you look at the old of the cultural group, which both

00:13:01.000 of us come from, and I'll put it on the screen here, pictures of Calvinist women.

00:13:04.440 They look all like Simone sisters, or you can put up like famous Calvinists as a group 0.54

00:13:09.840 that I was in from, the group that like founded the Free State of Jones, the John Brown group.

00:13:14.200 You put like a picture of John Brown, and you're like, both behaviorally and physiologically,

00:13:20.860 this looks like Malcolm.

00:13:22.940 We need to find that painting where there's some concerned people behind him.

00:13:27.080 So it's more just that we're part of an ethno-cultural group that had a pretty isolated gene pool for

00:13:33.580 a long time that you're just not as familiar with, but it doesn't mean that we aren't also

00:13:38.100 impacted by that.

00:13:39.800 So I suspect that's what we're seeing with the Mormon community, is one, a culture which

00:13:44.620 actually does a pretty good job of creating good action at the end of it.

00:13:47.880 And this is something I've seen.

00:13:49.340 So in our Wikipedia article about us, there is a section on it where it quotes one of my

00:13:54.340 quotes, and I'm actually quite glad they quoted this, because they were talking about my relationship

00:13:57.380 with my parents.

00:13:57.940 And I was like, I had a very hard childhood.

00:13:59.820 I don't know how much of it was their fault.

00:14:01.120 I grew up troubled teen industry, everything like that, which I was sent to by court order,

00:14:04.440 not by my parents.

00:14:05.760 But what I said is, if a parent raises good children, like children who are happy with

00:14:10.260 themselves, happy with their lives, and successful by any secular metric, how can I say that they

00:14:16.220 were a bad parent?

00:14:18.720 And the Platt family, the Fundy Snark did a series of videos.

00:14:23.520 Oh, yeah.

00:14:24.620 Mentioning that all of their kids seem so healthy and happy and well-adjusted, and yet

00:14:29.140 they want to attack this family.

00:14:31.020 And I'm like, do you see what's coming out of progressive culture?

00:14:34.000 Like, it is horrible right now. 0.95

00:14:36.000 These people are coming out like mentally broken individuals. 0.83

00:14:41.480 Sorry, I should be clear.

00:14:42.620 I don't mean that this objective claim.

00:14:44.260 I mean this objectively.

00:14:46.300 Pew found that over half of all white liberal women under the age of 30 have a mental health

00:14:53.140 issue, and just across the board, among this ultra-progressive cultural group, as you can

00:14:58.520 see here, there's just much higher rates of mental health issues than there is in the

00:15:03.940 conservative group.

00:15:04.880 And this is why I'm so unpersuaded when ultra-progressives are like, why don't you just raise children the

00:15:10.280 way that we raise children?

00:15:11.760 Because I'm like, anyone can see, whether I'm looking at the data or I'm just looking at

00:15:16.680 the people I know, that whatever the thing is that you're doing with your kids, it's leading

00:15:22.940 them to be mentally tattered as adults. 0.67

00:15:27.120 Whereas I just don't see the same thing coming out of conservative households, even when these 0.96

00:15:33.160 kids grow up in childhoods that progressives claim or love to mentally masturbate about

00:15:40.460 mentally breaking these kids or causing them to need therapy when they're adults or causing

00:15:45.860 et cetera.

00:15:46.820 But really, they're just saying, oh, these are hooks we could use to pull them out of their

00:15:50.320 culture.

00:15:50.980 Not that they're actually pointing out things that are genuinely damaging to these kids.

00:15:55.800 And another really interesting thing I see from a cultural perspective, like the more

00:16:01.200 on the cult spectrum they are, these individuals, whenever they see somebody acting non-culturally

00:16:07.100 normative, their perspective is always to say, get out there and go to a therapist.

00:16:13.980 And as we've talked about, if you look at modern therapy, and you can watch our videos on

00:16:18.640 therapy become a cult, this is an industry I was trained in.

00:16:21.620 They do a bunch of stuff that we were explicitly warned against doing in the early 2000s.

00:16:25.800 They do a bunch of stuff like trauma therapy is what I call it, which is really, they've

00:16:30.880 taken the concept of thetans and they've just inserted the word trauma.

00:16:34.460 And it is much closer to Scientology from the 90s and 80s than it is to what therapy was

00:16:41.540 supposed to be, like academic therapy.

00:16:43.320 And this isn't just on Fundy Snark channels either.

00:16:46.180 What's really interesting is across YouTube channels and podcasts, I hear this coming up

00:16:49.840 a lot, like when someone is in, especially the therapy cult, it shows up and they talk

00:16:55.060 a lot about their prescriptions.

00:16:57.100 They talk a lot about their therapists and how it's very important that people get therapy.

00:17:03.220 Just how important.

00:17:04.060 Because therapy is for the urban monoculture.

00:17:06.840 It's like a priest in induction cast.

00:17:09.540 And so when they want to convert somebody, they send them to therapists because therapists

00:17:14.080 do two things really well, this cult version of therapy that really is more similar to

00:17:20.820 Scientology from the 80s, is they do a very good job of breaking an individual's connections

00:17:25.160 to their birth culture and family and convincing them that all of this stuff, that if it's not

00:17:29.760 culturally normative, i.e. if it's not part of the urban monoculture, it is trauma, it

00:17:34.060 is abuse.

00:17:34.960 And they use that to break them from these groups, which cults always do.

00:17:38.700 The first thing a cult always does is try to break you from your family.

00:17:40.880 But they also do a very good job of creating this sort of original sin narrative around

00:17:45.520 the concept of trauma, which historically we would have known a therapist's job is to

00:17:50.960 help somebody emotionally heal, not to create dependency.

00:17:54.920 In theory.

00:17:55.740 In theory.

00:17:56.860 The real job is to make money.

00:17:58.280 And you can make more money by creating dependency, which is why this model of therapy out-competed.

00:18:02.820 So do you want to go further on any of these topics before I get into probably the most

00:18:07.520 offensive part of the video?

00:18:08.700 So, yeah, let's see.

00:18:12.280 I think people watch Fundy Snark for a bunch of different reasons, and some it's just cultural

00:18:17.440 reinforcement.

00:18:18.260 Some it's just the snark.

00:18:19.600 I think a lot of it, which is important and it shouldn't be understated, is that people

00:18:25.700 who come from a soft culture and just don't really have a lot of firmly held beliefs or

00:18:30.680 traditions or restraints on their lives feel, and I felt this a lot when I was a kid, which

00:18:35.780 is why I'm bringing it up, this strange fascination with people who come from weird cultures and 1.00

00:18:42.200 have a structured life and have these structured beliefs.

00:18:45.380 And they may say that they hate these people, these religious fundamentalists, but they will 0.89

00:18:50.740 watch Fundy Snark.

00:18:51.580 They will follow these people on Instagram and across other channels and watch and maybe

00:18:58.040 mock their channels.

00:18:59.800 But I think maybe even subconsciously, there's a lot of watching that goes on just because

00:19:06.280 there's something compelling and comforting about it.

00:19:09.100 It's evil.

00:19:09.800 Of course, they've got it wrong.

00:19:10.780 Of course, whatever.

00:19:11.920 That's what they're thinking.

00:19:12.620 But there's something kind of comforting.

00:19:13.940 And they're going through it.

00:19:14.840 And even Paris socially experienced that lifestyle without actually living it.

00:19:18.500 And without actually feeling like you're condoning it because these are snark channels.

00:19:22.240 So you're making fun of them.

00:19:23.280 You're not supporting them.

00:19:24.080 You're making fun of them.

00:19:25.060 It's okay.

00:19:25.900 And I think that's what a lot of this is about.

00:19:28.320 I also really, the more vehement and you would say like unfair channels like Fundy Fridays,

00:19:34.380 because they provide such a stark contrast of the cultural extremes that we've arrived at

00:19:40.660 today.

00:19:41.700 Because as you say, like you're cherry picking extremes.

00:19:45.360 This is the libs of TikTok of the flipped version.

00:19:48.960 It's the upside down version.

00:19:51.160 And it really helps you see what the differences are.

00:19:56.100 Like it lays them there.

00:19:57.340 If someone needs to know what the differences between weird conservatism and weird progressivism

00:20:02.020 are, watch one of these channels and you'll know where they fall on marriage, on child

00:20:06.280 rearing, on therapy, on trauma, on pets, on how to deal with social media, on jobs, on really

00:20:13.780 anything, because they talk about everything.

00:20:16.400 So I think that's really cool.

00:20:17.740 You can learn a lot.

00:20:20.000 So now we'll get to the more offensive stuff.

00:20:22.440 So I'm going to get to two fairly offensive points.

00:20:24.840 One is Rachel Oates, who I think is the most extreme version of the Arab monoculture, just 1.00

00:20:30.300 join us, is her arguments, because you see this across videos and I see this across Fundy

00:20:34.600 Snark, of high fertility families.

00:20:36.460 And she was actually talking about the other Collins family, the more famous Collins family

00:20:40.580 than us, which is this really delightful interracial couple.

00:20:44.580 Carissa using her kids to push her anti-choice, pro-natalist beliefs. 0.84

00:20:49.300 And this is a really sickening video.

00:20:52.520 I, the more I learn about them and see people criticizing them, because I find that you can

00:20:57.620 learn about somebody through the individuals who criticize them really well, because I'm

00:21:01.400 like, okay, if this is the worst you could air about them, they seem like delightful people

00:21:05.980 and very well-reasoned individuals.

00:21:08.340 One of the core complaints they had, very similar to us, was like, it'd be better off

00:21:13.800 to have, quote unquote, higher quality, fewer kids other than more kids.

00:21:19.800 And she had the full argument about this.

00:21:22.080 And she's just, this is like an obviously true thing.

00:21:24.800 In her next line, she said, don't stop because they can't be in every extracurricular activity

00:21:29.020 in sport.

00:21:30.060 Are we really going to base the value of our children's lives on how many activities they

00:21:34.060 can be in?

00:21:34.920 And I know Carissa would disagree with me, but I honestly think it's better to help one

00:21:38.820 child really flourish and reach their potential than it is to birth five children who are struggling

00:21:45.240 and barely getting by.

00:21:46.600 Surely.

00:21:47.420 I feel like so many people like Carissa like to use the excuse of, well, we're scraping

00:21:51.680 by.

00:21:52.160 So that's enough.

00:21:53.060 Right.

00:21:53.300 And I just feel like as someone who grew up like that, it's not enough.

00:21:57.580 So what Rachel is saying here is she doesn't want these children to exist because they will 0.57

00:22:05.380 live childhoods that are equivalent to her own childhood.

00:22:09.960 Is she really saying that she would be better off not existing, that her childhood was so

00:22:16.940 bad that her life just shouldn't be here?

00:22:21.100 Because that's what she is denying other people with this argument, a life equivalent to her

00:22:29.240 own life by her own argument.

00:22:31.860 And I really don't think that that's the perspective she's taking.

00:22:34.780 She genuinely doesn't consider that she is denying an entire human being who will live

00:22:42.080 an entire life the optionality of existence just so another child can get more extracurriculars

00:22:50.060 or have marginally more financial security, which to me is obviously unethical.

00:22:58.220 But this is the standard moral framework that progressive they're using right now.

00:23:01.780 And I'm like, that is like such a like morally horrifying position to me.

00:23:06.700 And I think it's why the urban monoculture will ultimately die is this belief that human

00:23:12.540 life doesn't matter until conception.

00:23:14.820 And it's just so bizarre to me because it's like this weird, like ultra Catholic belief,

00:23:20.000 but also urban monoculture belief, which is to say that, oh yeah, I know my kids, but

00:23:24.940 if I could marginally, marginally is really what it is here, improve the lives of my other

00:23:30.600 kids and adopt parenting practices, they're more normalized for the urban monoculture's

00:23:35.340 perspective by raising my kids more in line with their value system, which requires fewer

00:23:41.000 kids, really all this no corporal punishment, just you can't, if you have multiple boys,

00:23:46.500 you can't hold them all down.

00:23:47.860 There's no corporal punishment system requires you being able to body check a kid, stay on

00:23:53.640 top of them, basically, if they're doing something really bad.

00:23:56.520 And if you have other kids, that's not an option, right?

00:24:00.000 And they're like, yeah, then you just shouldn't have more, right?

00:24:03.040 And so it's like, why do they take these bizarre perspectives?

00:24:05.420 As we've argued, it's because their culture evolved these perspectives because it uses them

00:24:10.020 not for actual childbearing.

00:24:12.200 People in their culture almost never have kids, or at least at above repopulation rate,

00:24:16.440 they never have kids.

00:24:17.680 And so for that reason, they don't really need to be good at childbearing themselves.

00:24:22.140 They just need to be good at implanting trauma around the perception of trauma.

00:24:26.820 And as we pointed out on studies of trauma, that the effects of trauma are more correlated

00:24:30.580 with a belief of trauma than actually having trauma.

00:24:33.920 There was that great study done that showed when you correlate people who say how much

00:24:38.480 trauma they have, it correlates with their level of psychological dysfunction.

00:24:41.920 However, if you then go back to their childhoods and you look for court records of this and stuff

00:24:47.160 like this, where you can find actual proof of trauma, even in people who say that they're

00:24:50.240 not traumatized, then no effects.

00:24:52.800 If you find proof that there wasn't actually trauma, and people who say that they're traumatized,

00:24:56.040 you find big effects.

00:24:57.140 So implanting trauma is actually really important in creating this dependency on the urban monoculture.

00:25:01.980 But then I think we have the worst case of this, which has been the appropriation of the

00:25:07.640 gay community, which I think we see on Fundy Fridays.

00:25:10.980 I'm going to, Fundy Fridays, which sees herself, and I don't think that she's doing any of this

00:25:16.200 maliciously.

00:25:16.820 I just think it's part of the cult that she's in, and she doesn't understand the negative

00:25:19.660 repercussions of her actions.

00:25:21.960 Yeah, I think we should make it clear.

00:25:22.980 I really like Fundy Fridays, and I really like Jen, who's the main host of Fundy Fridays,

00:25:27.140 along with her husband.

00:25:28.400 But yeah, she's in a very different culture, and she has... 1.00

00:25:31.940 Would you go...

00:25:32.600 She's not just in a different culture.

00:25:34.100 She's basically in a cult. 0.84

00:25:36.040 And the cult has done some really questionable things.

00:25:39.280 She's in as much of a cult as the people who she covers.

00:25:43.280 They all come from very strong cultures that have skews and blind spots because of those 1.00

00:25:47.580 strong cultures.

00:25:48.560 Not to say that we don't have blind spots either, but still.

00:25:51.280 Yeah, everybody has their cultural blind spots.

00:25:53.640 But one that just, oh, it grades my nails when I'm watching her channel is she really sees

00:25:57.920 herself as like a spokesperson for queer people and queer culture.

00:26:02.160 And I will put a picture on screen of her and her husband.

00:26:05.340 And people might be like, how dare you question this aspect of her identity?

00:26:09.220 And I'm like, look, I'm going to play a video of her playing race detective with the people

00:26:13.420 she's criticizing.

00:26:14.680 I'm not sure the ethnicity of her mother, and I swear I have a reason to bring this up 1.00

00:26:18.640 because I am aware that it is problematic for me as a white person to ask, where are you from?

00:26:24.660 I'm only bringing it up because Kat identifies as Latina.

00:26:28.820 I know a lot of you guys, but I know a lot of you guys don't know that I am myself a proud Latina.

00:26:34.920 I was born in Mexico, in Monte Morelos, in Nuevo Leon.

00:26:38.940 I know that a lot of people just assume that I'm white because I was not lucky enough to

00:26:43.520 inherit my mom's really beautiful dark skin. 0.99

00:26:45.900 But I do have her dark eyes.

00:26:47.420 But I think that it's important too that people know that us Latinas come in all different

00:26:51.200 shades of brown.

00:26:51.880 I'm trying to call her something that she's not, but I have to report on what I think.

00:27:00.320 And so I'm the same way.

00:27:02.000 I just got to call it like I see it.

00:27:03.960 And given that she is the type of person who, when she is investigating the way somebody else

00:27:10.700 is approaching life, she would say, well, you don't look Latina to me.

00:27:14.380 Therefore, I am going to doubt your Latina identity, even though you personally identify 1.00

00:27:20.260 as Latina.

00:27:21.280 I'm just saying the same thing.

00:27:22.200 Well, you don't look like this to me.

00:27:23.760 And so while I personally wouldn't doubt somebody's racial heritage or identity just because they

00:27:30.180 didn't look a certain way, I can see the logic in doing it.

00:27:33.560 Because if you don't look sufficiently Latina, then you're not going to experience the racism

00:27:39.060 that goes along with being Latina.

00:27:41.880 And therefore, it's not good for you to use that identity as a cover for your words and actions.

00:27:47.780 But this all would apply equally well to the accusation I am making here.

00:27:53.500 To be more specific, there is a big difference between being an oppressed minority and identifying

00:28:00.960 as an oppressed minority.

00:28:03.180 If the thing that grants you inclusion into that minority group is not causing you to be

00:28:11.900 oppressed in the way that other members of that group are being oppressed, the oppressed

00:28:16.740 minority status is nothing but a benefit to you because you get to feel like a victim and 0.97

00:28:21.200 identify as a victim without any of the negative consequences of actually being a victim.

00:28:25.960 He doesn't need me.

00:28:27.000 We don't want to know the gender of the baby.

00:28:29.680 We don't want to know the sex.

00:28:30.720 And you know that.

00:28:31.540 I don't know your gender.

00:28:32.400 I don't know Candace's.

00:28:33.780 I don't know mine.

00:28:34.640 You don't know my gender?

00:28:35.720 I don't.

00:28:36.560 Do I look like a woman?

00:28:37.500 I don't know what a woman looks like. 1.00

00:28:39.340 What are you?

00:28:40.080 You're a detective?

00:28:41.120 A gender detective?

00:28:42.160 No, I just...

00:28:43.160 Lifting up skirts and pulling down pants and just getting in there with your magnifying

00:28:46.340 glass.

00:28:46.720 By the way, if you're wondering why Jen identifies as queer, like what specific type of queer 0.77

00:28:52.600 she thinks she is, Simone has watched literally all of her videos or about all of her videos

00:28:57.840 and she says she can't remember her ever saying.

00:28:59.920 I did some research on the side and the answer that I seem to pull is that she considers herself

00:29:07.000 and her husband considers himself non-binary and their pronouns are her and they and him

00:29:13.660 and they, I believe.

00:29:15.220 You know, I don't want to ever misgender someone because I don't particularly, like it's not 0.99

00:29:21.280 important to me and it really hurts some people.

00:29:24.700 So, you know, why would I do something that hurts somebody if there's no benefit to me?

00:29:28.160 So, that's where I think she comes into the queer community.

00:29:32.780 But the article where I pulled that from, unfortunately, was really confusingly worded and I'm not sure

00:29:39.780 if those pronouns or that gender identity claim was referring to them or another influencer

00:29:45.900 couple it was interviewing alongside them.

00:29:48.580 So, she does the exact same thing.

00:29:51.800 This is not me acting outside of the rules that she has set for herself.

00:29:55.600 But I haven't done this with anyone else.

00:29:56.800 I'm only doing it because I know that she's okay with playing like race detective and stuff like this.

00:30:00.620 But I look at her and her husband and I'm like, okay, so here's the core problem with this leftist idea

00:30:07.000 that you shouldn't put any gating on the queer community and that if you have dyed hair

00:30:11.620 and snogged a girl in college that you're queer because you don't have to deal with the consequences 0.98

00:30:18.000 because you don't, to everyone else in the world, you look like a straight couple. 1.00

00:30:22.620 You don't have to deal with the consequences of the shit that you are saying 0.99

00:30:26.740 in terms of how that affects the queer community. 0.99

00:30:30.080 When you get out there and you, as somebody who's really just,

00:30:34.620 and we could identify as queer if we wanted to because we are agender,

00:30:38.160 as I constantly point out, by the LGBT community, like extremist cult standards, 1.00

00:30:43.460 not like real gays and lesbians who, depending on the study you're looking at,

00:30:47.680 45% of gay men voted for Trump or it might be a third of gay men in another study.

00:30:52.580 You're like, okay, you got to go for the smaller study because then people believe it more.

00:30:55.360 But you're looking at a pretty big percentage of these people who actually have to live with this.

00:30:58.980 People are like, why are so many like actually gay people have to live with the fact that they're gay?

00:31:03.880 Who have to live with the fact that they're trans, right? 1.00

00:31:06.560 And people around them can see this, support the Republican policies.

00:31:09.580 It's because what are the anti-trans, anti-LGBT, quote unquote, Republican policies? 1.00

00:31:15.340 There's shit like trans people shouldn't be on sports teams 1.00

00:31:17.960 and trans people shouldn't be using bathrooms that don't confirm with their birth gender. 1.00

00:31:22.880 And for a lot of people who can't escape this gay and trans identity, 1.00

00:31:26.940 they support that stuff. 0.99

00:31:28.540 And in Fundy Freddy, this is not me misinterpreting this shit that they're saying. 0.96

00:31:33.160 They have a full video just on these two topics. 0.96

00:31:36.080 It's first of all, anyone who's, I think, sane and being honest

00:31:39.600 knows that these people shouldn't be on sports teams.

00:31:42.300 It's blatantly unfair.

00:31:44.340 And the fact that it's blatantly unfair causes blowback to real trans people.

00:31:49.120 If you're a real trans person, you infinitely would prefer not having a society that has 1.00

00:31:56.780 a reason to hate you and see you as a cheater over getting to participate in the sports team

00:32:02.980 you want to participate in.

00:32:04.800 Like, there are not people out there killing themselves because they're not getting to play

00:32:09.300 on the right swimming team.

00:32:11.880 All right?

00:32:12.360 Lots of kids go through their childhood without any option to play inter-moral sports.

00:32:18.600 And I don't see any leftists freaking out that these kids are going to end up killing themselves.

00:32:23.400 This is insane.

00:32:26.220 And these are positions that you would only argue if you didn't have to deal with the consequences

00:32:33.180 that are going to come from creating these sorts of carve-outs.

00:32:37.260 Because, of course, as soon as you create a carve-out of this,

00:32:39.700 of course some people are going to abuse it.

00:32:41.640 As soon as you create a carve-out around a certain segment of society where it's harder 0.98

00:32:47.120 to call them out for things, of course some aggressive male cisgender sex pests are going 0.99

00:32:52.840 to try to take advantage of it. 0.99

00:32:54.460 And it's pretty easy to see that this is happening.

00:32:57.220 A trans person who desperately wants to be seen as a particular gender identity is not

00:33:04.320 going to, when their body looks nothing like that gender identity, go and participate in 0.86

00:33:10.800 a sport where everyone is going to be furious in them because it seems that they have some

00:33:15.580 huge advantage over everyone else, which they obviously do, and then walk around the locker 0.99

00:33:22.900 room like Leah Thomas swinging their penis about in front of full view in front of everyone. 1.00

00:33:29.160 They're not going to do that, and they would want laws in place that prevent people from doing that 0.99

00:33:35.640 while calling themselves trans.

00:33:37.500 And the blowback that that causes the trans community is infinitely worse than any benefit 0.99

00:33:42.400 they get from these ridiculous positions.

00:33:45.120 The laws that Republicans are fighting for that prevent people from doing things like this, using 0.81

00:33:53.840 a trans identity as a shield, ultimately are most beneficial out of everyone they benefit in

00:34:01.120 society to real trans individuals.

00:34:05.020 If you go to somebody who isn't just in this far lefty cult and they're like, would you rather

00:34:10.340 live in a world in which you don't get to participate in the sports team you want to participate in, 0.98

00:34:15.700 but you don't have to deal with aggressive cis male sex pests walking around naked in women's 0.98

00:34:24.580 locker rooms while calling themselves trans and you facing the blowback for that, or one in which 0.99

00:34:29.420 you do have to deal with that and your meager reward is getting to participate in the sports

00:34:36.500 teams you want to participate in.

00:34:37.680 Anyone who's actually like, I just want society to see me for my gender, is going to be like,

00:34:42.280 obviously the second.

00:34:43.620 And these individuals are okay with holding these sorts of positions because they don't

00:34:48.140 have to personally deal with the blowback, because they don't have to walk around every

00:34:52.640 day looking like a trans person, looking like queer people, holding hands with somebody of

00:34:59.820 the same gender as themselves.

00:35:01.260 And this is why these sorts of opt-in queer identities, if anything for them, it's a benefit 1.00

00:35:08.180 because now they look even more like a victim when they're opting into the victim identity

00:35:13.100 that they can just throw off whenever they're in public.

00:35:16.260 Wasn't there a South Park episode on this?

00:35:18.960 Yeah, there was a South Park and I'll include a clip from it here because they know it does.

00:35:22.360 Oh yeah, I'm ready, David.

00:35:23.900 There are just so many amazing women athletes out here today. 1.00

00:35:27.140 Now, this is the first year that a trans woman is in the competition.

00:35:30.740 How do you feel about that?

00:35:31.960 I feel honored to be a part of history.

00:35:33.980 I have a lot of incredible trans friends who are athletes, and so we're all inspired.

00:35:38.060 Uh-huh.

00:35:38.580 And, uh, have you actually ever met Heather Swanson?

00:35:41.640 She's not exactly your average trans athlete. 0.97

00:35:44.500 Well, what is an average trans athlete?

00:35:47.260 Honestly, I find that kind of bigoted, David.

00:35:49.540 Okay.

00:35:50.360 Miss Swanson, how does it feel to be competing today?

00:35:53.180 I can't tell you how free I feel now that I've started identifying as a woman.

00:36:00.040 I'm ready to smash the other girls. 1.00

00:36:02.760 Uh, good luck, Heather. 0.98

00:36:04.340 Ha ha.

00:36:04.940 Luck is for dudes.

00:36:07.360 Or this, he repeats, he's, oh, it's a complete myth that trans people ever, or really, cis males

00:36:14.720 ever use trans bathroom protections to assault women. 0.81

00:36:19.200 And it's, no, even the studies that are trying to argue it's a myth say it does happen.

00:36:24.340 They just argue it, and I'll put up a statistic on screen here, like a study on screen here.

00:36:28.400 They just say it doesn't happen more when this law is out there.

00:36:32.140 And it's like, do you really think you could get a study published that showed that it

00:36:35.480 happened more when this law was out there?

00:36:37.400 Like, if you publish that study at any mainstream U.S. university, you would be at risk of being

00:36:42.420 fired, I mean, very obviously, and you would likely be at personal risk walking around campus,

00:36:49.220 why would somebody take that risk?

00:36:51.800 You know, the benefit would be so potentially low from most individual academic perspectives

00:36:59.060 when considering their own livelihoods.

00:37:00.980 And people who don't understand this type of pressure that academics are under, I think

00:37:04.100 often willfully don't understand it or ignore it, and ignore just how extreme the college

00:37:09.820 activists often are.

00:37:11.560 Whether it's lesbians who are like, I feel really uncomfortable because a lot of transitioned 1.00

00:37:17.160 women who now identify as lesbians, some of these are cis men, six cis pests, who wanted 0.93

00:37:24.640 to get into lesbian dating apps and pester women, and they found a cultural cheat code to do that. 1.00

00:37:29.460 And if you're like, no, a creepy cis male would never do this, of course they would. 0.89

00:37:34.220 We all know that guy.

00:37:35.280 And yet, now when lesbians try to create lesbians who actually have to deal with the fact that 1.00

00:37:40.180 they're actually lesbians and only want to date people who present phenotypically female, 0.89

00:37:44.460 which this person clearly isn't, they have to deal with this.

00:37:47.540 Like in Australia, you might not know this, but there was a case recently where the owner

00:37:51.000 of a dating app is being sued because the dating app used AI to determine if the face of

00:37:57.820 the person who is signing up looked more phenotypically female.

00:38:00.260 So this with the dating app that, by the way, let people in if they were trained.

00:38:04.080 As long as you pass.

00:38:05.220 As long as you pass.

00:38:06.380 I think that's great.

00:38:07.040 If they didn't pass, they were like, no, because this is for people who prefer phenotypical

00:38:10.760 females. 0.98

00:38:11.620 That women cannot find these private spaces, that lesbians can't find these private spaces 1.00

00:38:15.540 anymore is actually a problem for individuals who have a phenotypical female preference. 1.00

00:38:20.960 And you are saying in the legislation that you're pushing that they shouldn't be allowed.

00:38:25.820 Like you are dismissing the people who have to actually live with the fact that they are

00:38:31.140 same sex attracted or you get the push down of this in school, which happened to us recently.

00:38:35.900 So I'll read a quote here because this happened just right next door to us where a Pennsylvania

00:38:40.480 girl spoke out.

00:38:41.420 This was like a 13 year old, by the way, spoke out furiously against teachers and administrators

00:38:45.460 at her school for a transgender student, savagely beating her friend using a Stanley cup.

00:38:49.860 The incident took place at Pembrook.

00:38:51.460 I'm sorry, using a Stanley cup.

00:38:54.220 Yeah, using a big metal thing. 0.99

00:38:56.400 Yeah, you could cut a bitch with it, I'm sure. 1.00

00:38:58.600 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:59.000 When the 13 year old blindsided a 12 year old female victim in the school cafeteria using

00:39:03.400 a cup, hitting her on the head and creating an open wound, the unidentified student had 0.84

00:39:07.700 to be hospitalized and get staples to close the cuts in her head before undertaking concussion

00:39:12.420 protocol, according to police.

00:39:14.120 However, as one student said, not only did she warn the teachers, the bullying student had

00:39:19.840 a quote unquote hit list, but she added that she was the next one to get assaulted and that 0.79

00:39:24.900 the student had to be stopped.

00:39:26.300 You could have stopped it.

00:39:27.740 The girl said it was five hours from when I told you it was going to happen.

00:39:32.360 I don't get how you couldn't have stopped that.

00:39:35.020 She added that the girl was bullying her and targeting her every day at lunch. 0.99

00:39:38.220 And you might be wondering, like, how is somebody getting away with this?

00:39:41.480 And it's because they're afraid if they end this, if they apply any disciplinary measures

00:39:47.340 to people of this protected category in our society, if they say, no, you can't go in the

00:39:52.820 restrooms, no, you can't, that this is going to cause a apoplectic freak out from this extremist 1.00

00:40:00.300 cult, right?

00:40:01.000 Yeah.

00:40:01.200 If they had come in and said, you appear to be bullying, et cetera, that person could easily

00:40:08.320 have said, it's because I'm trans.

00:40:09.920 Yeah.

00:40:10.120 Who are like historically, like actually born with a different gender presentation.

00:40:16.300 They just want to live their lives.

00:40:17.800 Like they're not into all of this.

00:40:19.220 They understand that they have what is essentially a fairly rare condition and that all of society

00:40:25.260 cannot adopt to their condition.

00:40:28.000 And that, yes, that might mean that they have to use restrooms at home more often, or they 0.98

00:40:32.000 have to feel uncomfortable sometimes the same way extremely fat people do on airplanes.

00:40:36.740 Like I don't love that fat people have to feel uncomfortable or buy two seats on an airplane,

00:40:41.420 but realistically we can't adopt all airplanes.

00:40:45.140 And that's the truth of trans people as well.

00:40:48.660 They know that when society begins to bend over backwards in ways, because of course, if you

00:40:53.480 create this protected class, if you say any male looking individual who says they identify

00:40:57.840 as a woman can now use women's bathrooms, then some tests are going to take advantage of that. 1.00

00:41:02.120 They don't want that happening because that has blowback on them who can't hide.

00:41:07.540 But when you're one of these individuals like Fundy Stark who can just say, oh, I'm gender

00:41:12.600 whatever, but not look in a way where you can't escape the blowback that you are causing for

00:41:20.200 this community.

00:41:20.860 That is genuinely bad for society and bad for the real LGBTQ community. 1.00

00:41:27.300 And you could look at people like us who could claim to be trans because we are agender, which

00:41:31.260 is genderqueer, which would qualify as agender.

00:41:34.980 Sorry, for normal people who don't know what agender is, that basically means I don't feel a strong

00:41:39.160 connection to my gender.

00:41:40.200 If I woke up tomorrow, a woman, I wouldn't care. 1.00

00:41:42.280 If Simone woke up tomorrow, a man, she wouldn't care. 0.91

00:41:44.400 We just do not care.

00:41:45.960 And Simone's also fairly asexual. 1.00

00:41:48.040 Would you identify as asexual?

00:41:49.580 I identify as asexual, but gay for Malcolm. 0.94

00:41:53.180 Gay for Malcolm. 0.58

00:41:54.240 Yes.

00:41:55.560 We would fall squarely in the queer community, but I don't say I'm in the queer community.

00:42:03.060 I just try to protect them because I view of I am not a gender presentation that causes

00:42:08.740 me to be attacked in my daily life.

00:42:11.100 It's very much a blackface thing to me. 0.99

00:42:13.180 It's a stolen valor thing. 0.98

00:42:14.680 It's gross.

00:42:15.780 It's like walking around.

00:42:16.740 Yeah, like I don't walk around telling people that I have an autism diagnosis because I don't

00:42:22.100 think I need or deserve the extra help.

00:42:24.880 I could play that card probably technically.

00:42:27.680 I have a technical diagnosis.

00:42:29.320 I could pull out the paperwork.

00:42:30.560 I could probably get some special services in some cases, but I'm not going to do that

00:42:35.960 because I've learned to cope.

00:42:37.520 And I think that the resources that should be expended on people who need help should

00:42:41.980 be saved for those people.

00:42:44.120 Yeah.

00:42:44.400 And this is why when we're looking at statistics on voting records to find out like the way

00:42:48.740 these communities actually are, I look at like gay males, for example, instead of general

00:42:52.900 LGBT statistics.

00:42:54.180 Because if you look at general LGBT statistics, 14% vote Republican, only 14%.

00:42:59.240 It's not the 45% or one third that you see in other studies of when it's just gay men.

00:43:03.520 Because people like this couple, who to me are a straight heterosexual couple in terms

00:43:11.060 of how they present to society, except for like the dyed hair, are just identifying into

00:43:16.780 this queer definition and then polluting the statistics while also causing a blowback on

00:43:24.020 the real queer community from my perspective.

00:43:26.900 What blowback do you think they're causing?

00:43:29.720 You can actually see it in the statistics, which is support for the queer community has

00:43:34.180 been declining in recent years because of people like this who are saying you cannot be queer

00:43:38.800 supportive and Republican.

00:43:40.040 How are many people going to take that? 1.00

00:43:41.860 Oh shit. 0.99

00:43:42.500 And I would actually argue the opposite. 1.00

00:43:44.480 I would say you can't be queer supportive and a Democrat because they're supporting the 1.00

00:43:47.500 sex pests who are blowing back incredible negative feelings towards the real trans individuals, 0.98

00:43:55.400 the real just born attracted to the same sex individuals. 0.98

00:44:00.420 And because they are taking this position, they are forcing people on the other side to

00:44:06.360 take the opposite position.

00:44:07.560 And they are causing identity wise.

00:44:10.760 Oh, being Republican means I am anti-gay.

00:44:13.720 They are establishing that as a cultural norm. 0.99

00:44:16.480 Even though by the statistics, it's not fucking true. 0.89

00:44:21.540 More than half of Republicans, even when you're talking about older Republicans, you're looking 0.95

00:44:25.960 at 65% of you're talking about young Republicans, but even older Republicans, more than half

00:44:30.720 still support same-sex marriage.

00:44:32.780 This is just nonsense at this point.

00:44:36.000 They're making up a fantasy world that makes them feel like good guys when they are not good

00:44:41.400 guys and they are causing the very harassment that they claim to be fighting against.

00:44:46.380 One thing I wonder is how many people watching all Fundy Snark channels, including the more

00:44:54.380 moderate ones of deconverted Mormons, for example, come from the enemy's field, as it were, are

00:45:01.860 similar to me, somewhat conservative, not agreeing with everything, all the criticism, but just

00:45:09.500 enjoying it. And similar to those who are super progressive, but who follow the accounts of

00:45:15.980 these conservative influencers because they just kind of find it interesting. Do you think that

00:45:20.400 there's a decent number of conservatives and religious fundamentalists who watch these channels

00:45:24.840 or are we unusual?

00:45:27.400 I don't think so. That would be like asking, are there a decent number of people in this far

00:45:30.700 urban monoculture cult that watch lives of TikTok? I really don't think that many people

00:45:35.820 cross the border that much, but I guess we'll hear from our audience because I imagine our

00:45:39.240 audience is fairly...

00:45:40.180 Audience also loves Fundy Snark. I don't...

00:45:42.600 Yeah, we'll see if they like Fundy Snark as much. And these people will eventually be covering

00:45:47.060 us. We've actually reached out to them because we're open to working with anyone who covers

00:45:50.260 us, even if it's in a negative context. We're always open to interviews. We're always open

00:45:53.980 to talk. I believe that the light of truce destroys evil most effectively. And I think that

00:46:01.060 when people intentionally don't engage with us, and we've reached out to Fundy Snark, for

00:46:06.080 example, by the way, to do videos together and stuff like that.

00:46:07.900 Fundy Fridays. Jen, you mean?

00:46:09.120 Fundy Fridays, yeah. And some of the other people we've reached out to, we are always

00:46:12.680 open to do videos with people who are ideologically different from us because we think a genuinely

00:46:18.200 ideologically diverse community, not diverse TM, i.e. the approved ideologies by the urban

00:46:23.400 monoculture, but actually diverse community is the strongest community for our country.

00:46:28.700 And I think that Jen of Fundy Fridays comes from a good place and genuinely cares for these

00:46:33.580 people. Like, sometimes bad things happen to the people that she covers, and she...

00:46:37.800 Oh, no, absolutely. No, I see her very much the way that I see some of the people she covers.

00:46:43.880 Yeah, no, from an extremist position in the culture. That's why I hold my stance,

00:46:48.100 that my hypothesis is that she is of the same hard culture profile as the religious fundamentalists 0.95

00:46:56.360 that she covers. She just happens to be wearing a different team's colors, and so she has to...

00:47:01.400 Yeah, and they're insane religious cults. They're the good guys in her insane religious cult. She's 0.88

00:47:06.940 the good guy, and she's doing what the cult is telling her to do. She's just never stepping back.

00:47:11.620 She'd started tongue-in-cheek that are frills of the channel now, still speak very much,

00:47:16.780 are similar to the small-time career preachers that she criticizes. Her followers call themselves

00:47:23.160 Jenna Knights, and they patronize her. And how is that different from being a preacher? In the end,

00:47:28.940 preachers speak to people. They cultivate communities. They have some merch sometimes.

00:47:34.020 There's a... Ooh, vomit. There's just a lot of parallels. And so I just... I think that

00:47:38.940 one thing is fun is it's just like watching a little flame war between preachers. And yeah,

00:47:44.900 I would just say to anyone watching this, don't think we think she's not well-meaning. We just...

00:47:48.480 But I think that most of the people she criticizes are well-meaning.

00:47:51.500 Yeah, I agree. And yes, I do agree that the stance of saying that you are... that you stand for

00:47:58.080 a queer community when you aren't necessarily like subject to the... 0.94

00:48:04.500 It's a black face. 0.88

00:48:07.060 Not exactly. There's no rule saying you can't say you're queer. We can say we're queer if we want 0.62

00:48:11.280 to, and we have every right to say that we're queer. We just...

00:48:13.080 Well, no, we can say we're queer, and we would be right to say we're queer if we wanted to. But I don't

00:48:17.180 believe in this identifying with a community when you are not subject to these struggles. In the

00:48:23.960 same way that she would criticize people on her show as like the woman where she was doing the

00:48:28.360 is she really this race thing? She's trying to figure out if she had a right to call herself Latina 1.00

00:48:33.060 because she didn't look Latina. And that's exactly what we're saying. Do you have a right to call 0.84

00:48:38.120 yourself queer and claim the struggles of that community when you don't look queer, when you look 0.85

00:48:43.220 like you're in a heterosexual marriage? And there's a lot of stuff within the queer community where

00:48:47.000 it used to be like, when you get married, it doesn't mean you're no longer bi. It's like, yeah,

00:48:51.020 but you're no longer functionally undergoing the struggles that are unique to bi people in our

00:48:57.260 current society. It does mean that you are not a marginalized community member anymore from the

00:49:04.920 perspective of your lived experience in terms of how that community is dealing with struggles.

00:49:10.480 And so you no longer have to deal with the blowback of your extremist actions, like saying, oh, yeah, 0.90

00:49:18.460 trans people should be allowed on women's sports teams, when that's obviously ridiculous. 1.00

00:49:26.540 I love you, Saman.

00:49:30.620 And I love how you always try to see the best in people. You are a genuinely good person.

00:49:36.480 person. And I think that as we often say, righteousness isn't determined by an intention

00:49:42.820 to be a good person, because almost everyone intends to be a good person. It's determined by

00:49:47.380 how realistic in terms of the actual downstream effects your view of reality is. The more educated

00:49:56.660 you are on what reality actually is, and the less you are part of just one ideological tribe,

00:50:01.680 the better. And we see with her channel, like in one video, she was lauding communism, for example,

00:50:07.940 like maybe one day there'll be a full communist, she said is a good thing. And I just personally,

00:50:12.340 as somebody who values pragmatism and like the way things actually work when tried to be a person who

00:50:19.100 lauds communism is just to say, I am okay with in exchange for good boy points, i.e. thinking of

00:50:27.580 myself as a good person and having other people see me as a good person, the painful and slow deaths

00:50:32.800 of millions of people, starting often with the minority populations and the most disenfranchised

00:50:39.060 in a society, which is what actually happens when communists come into power.

00:50:42.720 But as I learned from Lemon Month, our holiday in which we engage with subjects we find offensive,

00:50:48.480 I have learned that real communism has not been tried, okay? It is a post-singularity sci-fi world.

00:50:55.560 That is what communism is. That's what it always was. And the big problem with communism is that

00:51:00.880 people are trying it now when we literally don't have the technology for it.

00:51:03.640 We could do a whole episode on this, but I just want to explain the point for people who don't

00:51:07.940 know what she said here. I'm just defending Jen here. She's arguing that in the early days,

00:51:12.500 communism, I don't believe that's what she's arguing for, said that communism can only be tried

00:51:17.000 once we're in a post-scarcity environment. And so some communists are now arguing, yeah,

00:51:21.400 real communism has never been tried definitionally because we're not in a post-scarcity environment.

00:51:25.040 But if somebody is fighting for communism today, because we don't have the technology to create

00:51:30.320 a genuine- If you're fighting for communism today, you should shut your mouth because

00:51:34.120 you should be fighting for AGI and superintelligence that is aligned with human flourishing. Because

00:51:41.060 that is what will herald in true communism. Yes. So you really have to be either a government fascist

00:51:49.020 with an AI department, or you have to be a huge capitalist and raise tons of money to do

00:51:54.920 private AI development. This is actually something I've noticed more broadly between

00:52:00.260 the leftist-rightist divide within the current political environment, not the political environment

00:52:05.240 of the 90s, which is what modern leftists often like to pretend that we are still fighting. But in

00:52:11.060 the current environment, what it really is, is do you actually care about solving a problem?

00:52:15.900 Are you looking for good boy points? So you look at something like the leftist myth that there is a

00:52:21.540 rightist- It's just insane that there's a significant racist base among the right wing. And I will beat

00:52:29.520 this until the clowns come home. 538 polling, very mainstream, Nate Silver. Until Obama was elected, 0.99

00:52:36.240 more white Democrats than white Republicans said they would not vote for a black president. And even now,

00:52:41.780 the difference in racist attitudes between the two parties' bases is marginal. And when you look at

00:52:48.260 the actual effects that the two parties' policies have on racial disparity, you get more of it from

00:52:56.560 the left. When a left-wing government has been in power in the United States in a region for a period,

00:53:02.200 the IQ scores and incomes of both black and Hispanic populations are more distanced from the local

00:53:10.300 white population than when Republicans have been in power. And it's because these systems that they 0.55

00:53:16.200 put in place, you know, affirmative action, everything like that, they are performative good boy point

00:53:22.540 systems, but they make the underlying problems worse. And I think that that's the core difference

00:53:27.760 between rightists and leftists in the modern sense. It's will you sacrifice your public image to

00:53:32.900 attempt to actually fix a problem? Or are you just interested in looking good? And I actually think that

00:53:41.540 this is also what we're seeing with the current Israel-Gaza conflict, because there are not many real

00:53:49.060 pleasant solutions to the current geopolitical issue in that region. And if you actually implemented most of

00:53:56.500 the left-wing solutions, you're going to deal with a scale of death and oppression in the region that is

00:54:04.260 astronomical. I love you to death. You're amazing. And you are so understanding of other people and cultures.

00:54:10.660 Even when they wish that we were dead.

00:54:13.040 If they bring Snark, I'm for them. It doesn't matter.

00:54:15.840 If the Snark candles cover us, they're going to be like, oh my god, their children should be dead! 0.97

00:54:20.500 I'm going to say they should have never been born, but there's no difference.

00:54:23.620 No, they'll, we always know what they say.

00:54:27.540 How can you slap? How can you slap? How can you slap? How can you slap me?

00:54:34.220 How could they be so cruel to their children?

00:54:36.320 How can they slap? That's what they say. That's what they say. How can they slap?

00:54:39.520 How could they slap? And how dare she have her baby on the screen? That's going to be a big one. 1.00

00:54:44.400 Yeah. How could they practice corporal punishment? How could they not make their house incredibly warm

00:54:48.460 during the winter? How could they have so many kids if they can't? I don't know. I really don't know.

00:54:55.080 I'm running out of things, but it's usually those things.

00:54:57.860 Oh, and they put too much on their kids because they expect things of them and encourage them to.

00:55:03.100 Yeah. How dare they have expectations? Intergenerational cultural expectations.

00:55:07.040 And that's another thing that gets me. And we'll probably do a full episode on this, but I'll just end it with this.

00:55:11.140 Where people are like, how dare you say that people owe their ancestors anything, right?

00:55:17.140 I'm like, if somebody gave you $100 and said, you go, what do I owe you for this?

00:55:21.960 And they're like, just pass on the goodwill.

00:55:24.380 And then you took that money and you spent it on drugs and pornography, right?

00:55:28.580 Like just something totally selfish. You are a bad and vile person. 1.00

00:55:33.180 And I am glad that people like you won't exist in the future. 1.00

00:55:35.420 If somebody makes, not, doesn't give you $100, they make enormous sacrifices to give you life, life.

00:55:43.960 And they say, and you say, what do I owe you? And they go, all you owe me is to pass the phone, pay it forward.

00:55:49.200 And you're like, fuck that. I'm going to spend it on drugs and sex. 1.00

00:55:52.760 You're a vile person. And I'm glad that your cultural and genetic descendants won't exist in the future. 1.00

00:55:58.680 So lovely. Do you disagree with that statement, Simone?

00:56:07.060 That was very much a snarky.

00:56:08.740 I just say, actually, there are some times where Jen gets really pissed about things that the other side says. 1.00

00:56:13.840 And she takes on a tone that reminds me a lot of you when you get the same level of piss. 1.00

00:56:18.600 So I'm just like, oh, it's great. It's good.

00:56:23.360 My whole thing is when it happens, people who choose not to represent their culture in the future will not inherit the future.

00:56:31.200 We will inherit the future, theoretically, if our kids thrive and flourish.

00:56:34.860 And I hope that they do.

00:56:36.900 All right. Love you so much.

00:56:39.060 I love you too, gorgeous.

00:56:43.780 Versus, you're not messing up. You're doing a great job.

00:56:46.640 Were you able to get the pocket thing I got you on your belt?

00:56:51.420 Or have you still not wearing it?

00:56:52.540 I think I can sit under these aprons. And that's the trouble.

00:56:56.220 But once I figure out how to deal with it under these aprons.

00:57:00.680 Okay.

00:57:01.860 I just want you to be happy.

00:57:05.340 You're the best.

00:57:08.140 You're the best.

00:57:10.520 No. Andy's the best. Our kids are the best.

00:57:13.400 All of them are the best.

00:57:15.120 The best.

00:57:15.960 Every one of our kids is, like, so amazing in their own way.

00:57:19.560 I'm really excited for them.

00:57:21.960 True story.

00:57:23.780 I'm crazy about them.

00:57:24.840 Okay. I'm going to go get her.

00:57:26.140 And then I'll be right in.

00:57:30.260 Oops.

00:57:30.740 Okay.

00:57:41.640 Okay.

00:57:43.280 Okay.

Based Camp - June 28, 2024

The Fundie Snark To Religious Extremist Pipeline

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