Based Camp - The Immorality of Weakness： Nietzschean vs. Collinsian Philosophy

00:00:00.000 hello simone today we are going to be talking about the immorality of weakness and i would

00:00:08.180 note here that we are not going to be talking about this from the perspective of niche but we

00:00:15.180 will be talking a lot about frederick nietzsche throughout especially at the end of this episode

00:00:20.160 to differentiate our views on why weakness should be scorned versus nietzsche's views

00:00:28.120 on weakness leading fundamentally to immorality because they're actually distinct but not as

00:00:34.960 distinct as i thought when i went into this subject and i would say that me studying nietzsche

00:00:39.500 very sad it's just a bunch of instances of me being like i don't want to be basic but he actually makes

00:00:44.080 a lot of good points very prescient about woke people but we'll get to that in a second okay

00:00:48.960 that well that people will use the sympathy of others to try to exert power over them and that

00:00:55.840 people will manipulate others by acting sympathetic to them to keep them in a permanently infantilized

00:01:01.620 state that glorifies themselves i.e the person doing the infantilization but before we get to

00:01:08.420 all of that where this was highlighted for me was two things one is a recent evolution in my

00:01:15.740 understanding of our wider world perspective which has become a lot more clear to me in sort of how i

00:01:21.400 view clan-based structures and how i view morality um at the wider societal level than at the individual

00:01:26.560 level but also a clip that we ran in a recent episode that's a famous scene from trigon or i don't

00:01:35.100 know if it's a famous scene but it's a scene that always hit me hard as a kid because in it there are

00:01:42.660 two characters arguing and the character who is the villain says you have to kill the one character is

00:01:50.560 trying to save a butterfly the good guy and then the villain says well you just need to kill the

00:01:55.480 spider then basically because it's a butterfly caught in a web for those yeah because because

00:02:00.120 if you free the butterfly then the spider will eventually starve you can't you're not doing a

00:02:06.600 good thing by freeing the butterfly you're just consigning the spider to a slow death and the good

00:02:12.060 guy character says no there's always a way oh that was the easiest way to stop him i didn't want to kill

00:02:23.460 the spider unless the spider caught the butterfly it would die of starvation you can't save both it's

00:02:28.320 not right to make that choice so easily so you should but i'm not wrong about this rem wanting to

00:02:34.100 save both is just a naive contradiction and what would you have rather had us do just think about it

00:02:39.360 in the meantime while we do that the spider eats the butterfly i wanted to save both of them you

00:02:44.860 and the entire trigun series is based around this philosophy of no matter how bad things are there is

00:02:52.620 always a way to save the bad guy there is always a way to make things right when in reality by attempting 0.94

00:03:00.460 to save the bad guy you often cause much more harm in the long term you are masturbating your own 0.87

00:03:07.800 sense of justice like you being a good person usually because you don't have to deal with the

00:03:12.800 risk that that bad guy poses to society the famous example here of course i'm thinking of is the woman 1.00

00:03:18.180 who had a person murder her mother and everyone was like this is a really bad dude she petitioned to

00:03:22.940 get them released from prison early hired them and then they murdered her when she fired them for 1.00

00:03:27.580 stealing from her which is to say that a lot of people when they take this benevolent and

00:03:33.000 magnanimous looking position they're doing it just to heighten their own sense of i'm a good person

00:03:37.880 without really thinking about the other harm that this person is going to cause uh which is what

00:03:43.080 often happens if you look at statistics and i'll add some in post here the vast majority for example

00:03:49.280 of thefts are caused by a very very small majority of thieves who just do it over and over and over again

00:03:53.840 right it's the same with just about any crime um right very small number of people actually do it

00:03:58.700 which i think also just to be fair explains the behavior of people who want to give people the

00:04:04.700 benefit of the doubt because the vast majority of humans deserve the benefit of the doubt it's a

00:04:09.680 very very small percentage that really just needs to be distrusted and removed from mainstream society

00:04:15.640 the the the problem here is i think that we as a society have been conditioned to not believe this

00:04:23.780 by media and i'm going to call this the tie hot maru problem what's on your mind lieutenant

00:04:29.540 the kobayashi maru sir lieutenant you are looking at the only starfleet cadet who ever beat the no

00:04:37.940 win scenario how i reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue the ship what he cheated

00:04:47.900 changed the conditions of the test i don't believe in the no win scenario now for people who don't

00:04:55.020 know what the tie hot maru is the tie hot maru is a famous test from the star trek universe that you

00:05:00.080 are supposed to be unable to pass and it's supposed to show what do you do in an unwinnable scenario

00:05:05.620 and yet our society and media constantly says when the hero is given an unwinnable scenario save this

00:05:12.620 person or this person save your love or like this group of citizens the answer is always supposed to

00:05:18.840 be there is a way to save both and that is not true fundamentally right there is not always a way to

00:05:27.300 solve both and it creates a really toxic mindset around morality for a lot of people because they

00:05:33.360 believe that any decision that leads to harm for some group of people is fundamentally an immoral decision

00:05:42.080 regardless of the necessity or long-term good of that decision and so here what i wanted to dig into

00:05:50.280 was your response to the trigun video because i think it's accurate and it encapsulates our view

00:05:58.260 of morality that we will go into and why this view of morality leads downstream to some very perplexing

00:06:06.180 beliefs that we have for example a lot of people can be like wait you guys think that there's

00:06:10.900 differences between cultural groups so if you think that there's differences between cultural

00:06:15.280 like groups then why don't you think that like the europeans are the good guys and like the the jews and

00:06:21.560 like the the blacks are the bad guys when it seems that you actually have a great deal of derision

00:06:26.200 for northern europeans and even more derision for anti-semites and yet you hold very pretty neutral

00:06:32.680 views to groups like the hispanics and really really confuses and it's like well there's actually a

00:06:38.360 logically consistent reason for all of these beliefs but you just assume that the reason is that we're

00:06:44.000 capitulating to the urban monoculture without realizing that the position that we're taking

00:06:47.780 is actually even harder to hold than the just generic sort of racist person position because

00:06:53.860 we don't have some big community that's going to back us up for it

00:06:57.460 more based than this other position because it is more unique and out there but simone go through

00:07:05.280 what your thoughts are to the the spider in the web yeah i mean i i think that there's an obvious

00:07:10.900 correct answer for the spider in the web which is you leave them alone and if the butterfly is a strong

00:07:17.680 and resilient butterfly it will get out of the web if it is a smart and resourceful and healthy spider it

00:07:24.180 will eat the butterfly and you don't want to release the butterfly as if it's a weak butterfly and it

00:07:31.020 continues to reproduce and produce other hapless butterflies it will hurt all butterfly kind

00:07:37.560 ditto with the spider so you just kind of have to let them duke it out and you shouldn't be intervening

00:07:41.980 and nature will run its course which i guess makes us bad people but it's very consistent with our

00:07:48.680 calvinist inspired views right of like it is not our job to intervene you are saved or you're not

00:07:56.880 saved you you are fit or you're not you're going to matter or you're not you're going to change

00:08:00.700 history or you're not and that is not within our control we have free will 100 but we've been dealt

00:08:07.380 the cards we've been dealt does that make sense yes and i would say that while you can talk about

00:08:12.740 this at the level of the spider and the butterfly where this matters more when we're making cultural

00:08:17.480 decisions about the cultural groups we admire and that we look to and we tell our kids these are good

00:08:22.700 cultural groups these are cultural groups you should model yourselves after these are groups you can learn

00:08:26.380 from um are the cultural groups that are thriving and in an upwards trajectory so i'll note here when

00:08:36.360 i say in an upwards trajectory the unique amount of derision we have towards things like european

00:08:41.220 cultural groups or americans who are born into positions of relative privilege but haven't been able

00:08:46.980 to secure a family is downstream of the belief that they should have had access to all sorts of

00:08:54.580 advantages and yet they are still failing why are they failing despite their historic position of

00:09:00.800 strengths that must mean that their culture is uniquely ill-fitted to our time and place essentially

00:09:06.280 and people get very surprised like but i thought you guys care about diversity and this is where you

00:09:10.680 need to understand the way we relate to diversity so if we care about cultural diversity we see every

00:09:16.340 individual culture as a hypothesis about how people might live and thrive and get through the current

00:09:24.580 challenges both technological and social that our species is facing right and if every culture is a

00:09:29.960 hypothesis a culture that is failing to thrive under these conditions is fundamentally an incorrect

00:09:37.540 hypothesis i do not care about incorrect hypotheses thriving i scare about the greatest diversity of correct

00:09:46.180 hypotheses thriving because the greater diversity of correct hypotheses we have the less of a monoculture we will

00:09:53.220 have and the more resistance we will have to unknown threats we humanity the species will have two threats

00:10:00.540 that may occur in the future so in other words we're looking at cultures and cultural technology that

00:10:07.160 produces human flourishing and if it fails to do that then we don't see the point in trying to intervene

00:10:15.600 and save it because in the end it is producing suffering it is producing harm it is producing death and it's causing

00:10:21.440 damage and it's holding humanity back well yes and this happens at two levels and there's two reasons to

00:10:28.140 have this derision one is for yourself and for your own culture and family so if i looked with admiration

00:10:37.060 for example we were doing the episode on on modern german culture recently that we were pointing out is

00:10:41.600 really really failing right now if i looked with admiration at the culture in germany right now and i told my kids

00:10:47.760 oh you should admire that you should follow that they would end up weaker because that culture is failing

00:10:54.140 i need to teach them to see that culture with a degree of disgust and if they can do that then they are less

00:11:01.100 likely to follow a culture that isn't thriving or pick up bad ideas but if they see a group that is doing

00:11:06.800 well a high fertility economically thriving cultural group it they should look at that group and be like oh for

00:11:12.760 whatever reason in our current cultural context this group is doing really well what can i steal from

00:11:18.480 them it reminds me of the clan people as i've mentioned who go into the the backwoods which can

00:11:24.320 help people understand pluralism at the cultural value system which is to say that when the backwoods

00:11:29.780 cultural group the greater appalachian group in america when they immigrated into this country and

00:11:34.720 they encountered the native americans they butchered lots of native americans when contrasted with the 0.96

00:11:39.880 puritans or the quakers or the other cultural groups in the region but they also didn't dehumanize

00:11:45.900 the native americans they married into native american families at very very high rates they

00:11:50.460 adopted tons of native american cultural technologies they basically saw the native americans as just a

00:11:56.520 another group in this inter clan competition you know if you have the hatfields and the mccoys the 0.78

00:12:02.220 native americans are just another group that we should try to take their stuff and learn what they're

00:12:06.260 doing that's working and learn what they're doing that's not working now i'm not saying that that

00:12:09.460 should work that that's like a good way to do things that's the way things should work in a

00:12:13.240 modern context and i'll discuss why this is is is uniquely bad in a second but i'm saying that it

00:12:19.100 epitomizes this view of diversity which is to say that when you see another group not doing well

00:12:27.760 you're like okay i'm going to take their stuff but like like i will out-compete them but when you

00:12:32.760 see a another group that is doing well in some way you're like okay what can i learn from them

00:12:36.820 everyone is equally human to you and everyone is part of this game to you whereas to groups like

00:12:43.560 the quakers the native americans weren't really human they were like the child or something that 1.00

00:12:48.380 needed to be protected and kept in a zoo but like there was obviously nothing to learn from them

00:12:52.740 there was obviously nothing uh no reason to respect them or marry into their families or etc right

00:12:58.740 uh and this is also a very interesting thing which is why people who have this pluralistic

00:13:04.400 cultural competition mindset end up being much more from stronger cultures because they believe

00:13:11.440 they have to be a strong culture it is a position of internal cultural weakness that leads to an

00:13:17.840 individual shying away from this world perspective because it means that when you look at other

00:13:25.520 groups you think if they could intermingle with my group or if we were competing within a fair equal

00:13:30.320 environment i would be out-competed when you are certain that you will out-compete others you always

00:13:36.060 want equality strong groups always fight for equality while groups that have an internal weakness

00:13:41.480 a fear yeah we did a fear of being out-competed they will always compete for isolation and either

00:13:47.500 you will think if you're in one of these groups you're really confident about that your group will just

00:13:52.160 take over all the other groups and make the world better or that in the end only the strong groups will

00:13:57.300 remain and the world will be better but either either perspective has an adherent believing that

00:14:03.200 the world will be better off especially if the weaker groups are allowed to run their course and stop 1.00

00:14:10.460 existing yes and an interesting thing about this philosophy and this is where actually something that

00:14:16.660 nicho talks about aligns with something that we believe which is he argues that being sympathetic

00:14:22.780 to someone who is suffering or i don't believe he uses the word sympathy what's the word he uses

00:14:27.900 here showing pity to somebody who is suffering is fundamentally to infantilize them and to prevent

00:14:34.460 them from rising up but this doesn't mean never help people who are suffering help them with magnanimity

00:14:40.060 and when you help another culture with magnanimity you are helping them with the intention of creating a

00:14:46.760 group that competes against your own and through that competition makes you sharper i like that and i yeah i think the

00:14:52.680 point isn't to say into the garbage like can these guys go or like maybe it would be better if we

00:14:59.120 just accelerate their demise no it's it's give them tools to maybe have them change because as they are

00:15:05.140 now isn't clearly sustainable and help them give them an out maybe offer them the chance to join your

00:15:13.220 group it's important to note that one of these tools needs to be derision and looking down on them

00:15:21.300 because if you accept another group for their failure as the progressives do handing out yeah

00:15:26.260 yeah then that evangelizes them and it insults them it doesn't just insult them it traps them

00:15:33.560 because it puts them at a local optimum where it is better for them to continue with their state of

00:15:39.460 non-contribution over exploring what potential other pathways might be available to them

00:15:46.300 well and another avenue or i guess arena or part of our lives in which we see this is that classic

00:15:52.080 issue with teachers where is a student sometimes it'd be really annoying if a teacher was really 1.00

00:15:59.200 critical of you or would like put a lot of time into showing you what an idiot you were with your 0.92

00:16:03.760 work or how much you could improve your form on something like in martial arts or in a sport 0.99

00:16:07.600 and you would complain to a parent and say like well why are they being so mean like can't i just

00:16:12.800 play and your parent would explain to you that teacher actually cares about you like they don't 0.94

00:16:18.220 give a shit about anyone else in the class they're just letting everyone else skate by and basically be 0.82

00:16:22.660 mediocre but they're investing in you because you have potential and i think that's the same kind of 0.99

00:16:27.280 dynamic here are you going to just let them slide by and feel bad for the fact that they're mediocre

00:16:32.880 and bad and not encourage them to improve or are you going to recognize the potential they have to

00:16:37.440 flourish and invest in it well and i think that this can be seen in the way that we approach things like

00:16:42.180 philanthropy you can look at the collins institute which is a institution that is designed to teach

00:16:47.560 people and be free and as an education source that we built for our own kids education primarily but

00:16:53.060 we made it free to anyone else who wants to use it to put all of human knowledge at their fingertips

00:16:56.780 and that uh this is fundamentally opposed to many of the progressive solutions to things like

00:17:04.760 poverty which is to say oh well we'll give them money oh well we'll give them houses oh well 0.89

00:17:10.560 we'll give them this and this and this which is a form of enablement but it also makes the

00:17:15.840 progressive dominated areas worse because they end up attracting more of these economically 1.00

00:17:20.260 unproductive individuals and so people can look like when a progressive looks at what we're offering

00:17:24.520 they're like well yeah but the homeless people may not want to use your education system they may 1.00

00:17:29.260 not want to attempt to educate themselves and it's like well that's a problem then isn't it and then

00:17:35.180 they're like well what if they have what if they have like severe mental illnesses and stuff like

00:17:39.360 that what if they've got all of these other you know problems and it's like well this is the thing

00:17:46.380 i believe that everyone is capable of economically contributing in this country unlike you progressive

00:17:52.060 i think that when you lower the amount of restrictions that people have on them there is always a way to

00:17:58.340 make a living i believe that everyone has some utility to society which is fundamentally different

00:18:03.900 than the view that you are espousing which is that these individuals must be permanently

00:18:07.860 infantilized and i believe that there is a class that is born with that level of mental disability

00:18:13.100 but i think it's a much smaller class than is functionally left disabled by the way progressives

00:18:19.660 handle things like homelessness

00:18:21.080 that and improvement requires tough love improvement requires being critical it's something also that shows

00:18:31.620 up a lot in your and my relationship right people think oh can you believe that they would criticize

00:18:37.220 each other or encourage each other to be better for me to be like hey malcolm you could do this better

00:18:41.620 you'd be like simone like this is a great meal but it needs more of this or that and by the way you're

00:18:45.780 totally right that price needed way more salt or like msg it just needed a kick but like the fact that we

00:18:51.660 do that it's because we care and it's because we love each other and it's because we respect each other

00:18:56.100 and we live in a culture now that sees criticism as an act of violence rather than an act of care

00:19:04.780 and i think it's that contextualization that needs a complete rebrand now and a complete overhaul

00:19:12.520 because we have to return to an age in which giving someone criticism giving someone room for

00:19:19.120 improvement is an act of and it's seen as an act of care and love we can we can get there and i think

00:19:26.620 people are ready for that but i think it's going to take a lot of work because we've been so

00:19:30.760 indoctrinated even from your and my childhood of thinking that critical feedback is violence

00:19:36.740 technically speaking yeah and so people will hear this philosophy and they'll think oh well this means

00:19:42.020 you think this the strong should lord over the week that the strong should push around the week

00:19:48.080 when instead we're saying the exact opposite anybody who knows us knows that we have a very

00:19:52.080 high opinion of ourselves and our family culture which i think all cultures should you don't have 1.00

00:19:55.760 pride in who you are then you know why are you existing why are you doing any of this why are

00:19:59.360 you passing on your culture to the next generation we have an incredibly uh high degree of pride in who

00:20:04.080 we are and yet we focus our efforts on trying to help other cultures and communities that are

00:20:09.500 struggling right now and making it through something like demographic collapse even cultures that are very

00:20:14.320 different from our own and we want that because we want our kids to have a diverse group of competitors

00:20:19.800 to further hone themselves if humanity becomes homogenous humanity has fundamentally failed because

00:20:26.440 we are no longer intergenerationally improving we are just a blob the same thing forever

00:20:32.500 so cast off your fears of age and blight in cutrescence find your true delight

00:20:43.820 for in my realm all i cherish so let my blessings upon you grow

00:20:51.980 embrace the rot let pestilence bloom

00:20:56.460 because we are no longer intergenerationally improving we are just a blob the same thing

00:21:18.740 forever and i think that this leads to conflict between us like some people are like why are you

00:21:23.300 so antagonistic to cultures that attempt to enforce their values on other cultures so for

00:21:29.920 example cultures that try to enforce oh anti-gay marriage all society shouldn't have gay marriage

00:21:35.040 and i'm like no the cultures that are against gay marriage can do better they should do better but

00:21:39.240 you can't enforce this on other people like sharia law is bad right and they're like no i think that

00:21:44.040 my culture needs to be enforced on everyone and then people who have this perspective you often see a

00:21:48.320 high overlap with this and things like anti-semitism and stuff like that and i think that there's this

00:21:52.400 influencer class who i'll move away from naming them specifically but who have an overlapping fan

00:21:58.460 base with our own who have a confluence of these sorts of perspectives and people are surprised by

00:22:04.000 the amount of intense derision we have towards these individuals and i think that they think that this

00:22:09.440 derision that we have towards these individuals is a capitulation to the urban monoculture

00:22:15.020 instead of literally for the exact same reason we have derision for the urban monoculture and

00:22:21.520 perhaps even in greater measure because when i look at the type of person who might be saved who

00:22:27.000 might be able to build a strong culture themselves who might be able to build some sort of level of

00:22:31.560 intergenerational thrivingness these types of individuals are drawn to right-leaning philosophies

00:22:36.800 like ours but they can also be lured by the siren calls of these other philosophers which wear the

00:22:43.620 aesthetics of the right-leaning community and people can be like what what do you mean like like

00:22:48.340 like be specific here and i'm like well i see no different from your standard anti-semite than i see

00:22:53.680 your average blm protester these are both individuals who are from one cultural group whether it's like a

00:22:59.580 black cultural group or whether it's from a a white supremacist cultural group who sees another

00:23:04.800 culture out competing them whether it's academically or in the number of famous people they have or in

00:23:09.580 the number of politicians they have or in the number because jews do very well in those categories

00:23:13.340 or in their economic success and they basically get angry and flip over the board like a child and

00:23:17.900 they're like you must be cheating instead of being willing to see any flaw in themselves and these

00:23:24.800 individuals are worthy of the highest level of score much higher than just a culture that's failing

00:23:29.020 because they're not just a culture that's failing they're a culture that is incapable of improving

00:23:33.960 itself because it is incapable of seeing its own flaws or when other people are out competing it

00:23:41.220 which means that when i'm you know interacting with my kid and i want to ensure really really really

00:23:46.020 stay away from values like this or people like this that's what we're looking at and the the highest

00:23:53.060 degree of toxicity in this comes from when we look at how to better our culture and i and i think that

00:23:59.160 these two cultural groups can really be seen here how they differ both blue groups might believe the

00:24:03.360 goal is cultural supremacy cultural supremacy through individual competition which is a little

00:24:08.040 different but we when we're improving our culture or i guess i should say both of these groups see

00:24:12.800 their goal as cultural improvement but when we're looking at cultural improvement we are looking at

00:24:17.540 other cultures and trying to see how they're doing well or hypothesize ways we can do our own culture

00:24:23.220 better while looking to our culture's history to see what parts of it worked in the past

00:24:28.060 they're looking to purify their culture by going back to some sort of cargo cult aesthetic of an 0.52

00:24:36.540 imagined past greatness which existed for almost no culture on earth yes and we need to see a return

00:24:42.940 to friendly rivalry and a good form which i i don't know reading jm barry's peter pan introduced me to

00:24:53.540 the concept of good form in a way that i just really loved because it it gave me a peek into how

00:25:00.200 people used to view healthy rivalry in the past which is and maybe i'm totally romanticizing this

00:25:07.860 and misremembering it but the idea is that you would compete with someone and you would compete along

00:25:13.800 i guess certain rules of like basically being a good sport or a bad sport and it is a rival was seen as a

00:25:22.060 good thing that you wanted in your life it was it was like a knife enjoys seeing something it can

00:25:27.220 sharpen itself on it and it knows that it needs it and right now when people see groups that are in

00:25:32.580 competition or even opposition that hold different values they see them as a threat that has to be

00:25:37.500 eliminated they see them as a thing that they should take out in using any means available including

00:25:44.340 very bad form whereas in the past i really love this concept of seeing opponents in life seeing rivals

00:25:51.580 as a source of improving your own fitness and when you lost you would lose in good humor understanding

00:26:00.780 that you've learned something from it and that you will become stronger through the act of losing

00:26:05.380 figuring out what you did wrong and then getting excited about having another round with this

00:26:11.620 opposing entity or person and hopefully winning next time but you can't get there if you don't engage

00:26:18.340 and if you don't take everything with good humor good sportsmanship in good form exactly well and and

00:26:26.020 you know this is where i get so high in my derision of these groups is they haven't the capacity to

00:26:33.060 improve anymore because of that because they see a group beating them as a group victimizing them

00:26:40.260 they are unable to believe because of this usually a lionization of a fictional historic past greatness

00:26:50.220 that their culture could lose in a fair competition and so they'll say well then the competition wasn't fair

00:26:57.620 and this matters to us because as soon as people realize that cultures are actually different and groups are

00:27:06.100 actually different they then want to say well mine's good but if you say yours is good not because of

00:27:11.620 you not because of your individual efforts to improve that culture but because historically it has some

00:27:17.220 claim to supremacy it will inevitably fail and is also uniquely tempting and dangerous to individuals who

00:27:26.580 are close to the path of i think cultural actual actualization uh which is again why we constantly

00:27:33.620 deride these groups so much and here i really want to highlight something that is often missed by

00:27:38.260 people but nazis really were just the we was kings for white germanic people if people aren't familiar

00:27:47.220 with the we was kings meme it is this joke around some people in modern black culture that will

00:27:54.740 try to take credit for all of these historic moments or characters in history saying oh ancient greeks

00:28:01.780 that was all black people or oh you know uh the first battery or the first you know they think 0.99

00:28:07.700 wakanda is real basically the original rulers of england and britain were black that's king george of

00:28:15.300 england a light-skinned black man you clearly see the vikings as black men do you see that with your 0.96

00:28:22.180 glasses these are black men jesus is a black man beethoven black mozart black henry the eighth black 0.95

00:28:31.620 william shakespeare undoubtedly black

00:28:36.260 it was canes and that's the truth we spent in his calm alexander too black as yeah they knew what's 0.60

00:28:42.660 true caesar napoleon all them cats black power homie we created that we started china japan and rome 0.77

00:28:50.820 india too man we claimed every throne built the great wall touch my hall no cap babylon's gardens yeah we did all

00:28:57.460 land we brought democracy math and science set the standards made the world reliant we was canes and

00:29:03.940 that's no lie yasuke the greatest samurai ever known his legend grew as black as all bone

00:29:09.940 aristotle socrates yeah they was black play-doh too that's a straight-up fact 0.99

00:29:14.580 and we laugh at them and are like oh that's so silly but that's exactly who both the nazis were 0.84

00:29:21.540 in a historic context but also a lot of the modern neo-nazi movement falls into this category uh in

00:29:27.140 that you know the nazis would say oh well buddha he was actually arian he wasn't indian of course

00:29:33.380 or you'll get not even exaggerating here i have seen this in our own comment section when we're

00:29:38.260 talking about oh the ancient greeks did stuff it wasn't the ancient kelts because it wasn't the

00:29:41.780 ancient northern europeans it wasn't the ancient germans and they're like oh don't you know just

00:29:45.700 like in the kings stereotype don't you know that like socrates and alexander and all that they were

00:29:51.140 actually northern european guys and all of the ancient greeks they actually used to be northern

00:29:54.900 europeans and it's like oh my god you sound exactly like a kings guy um and they would talk about how

00:30:07.300 great like german and aryan civilization was when anyone who studied roman history knows that they

00:30:12.900 were of the barbarians one of the most barbaric along with my own ancestors in in britain you know 0.94

00:30:20.980 these people were basically animals when the romans were building all of their great stuff when the

00:30:25.380 ancient greeks were building all of their great stuff and so i view both movements and individuals to

00:30:32.500 its equal derision in the same breath here if the progressive movement's goal is to force everyone

00:30:38.420 into the urban monoculture you have a number of ideological arguments against that like the clan

00:30:46.260 based argument that we're presenting here but in addition to these ideological arguments there is

00:30:51.940 aesthetic conservatives so in the same way that you know some progressives like to dress up like

00:30:58.340 furries and furries broadly are a progressive movement in the conservative movement we have

00:31:03.060 these people who like to larp in sort of this cargo cult of the 1950s trad family that they you know

00:31:09.140 got from hollywood not taking into account that if they saw something come out of hollywood today

00:31:13.140 they'd be like well that's obvious propaganda and not real and i'd be like yeah and what was

00:31:17.060 happening in the 1950s was hollywood propaganda heavily influenced by the legion of decency and it's

00:31:22.820 okay to have them in the movement like we we have many of the same goals but them attempting

00:31:28.260 to impose this larp that they're playing on other people hurts us in election cycles and is the

00:31:35.460 conservative version and should be treated i think with equal derision to when progressives do this

00:31:41.380 of you know the trans community trying to legally force people to use their pronouns

00:31:46.660 if if they can gain status within their own little local hierarchies for playing that larp fine if they

00:31:53.140 can gain status by signaling that they want to impose that larp on other people fine but they need to

00:31:57.620 learn that when they're hurting us in election cycles for something that is obviously has no

00:32:01.940 sort of philosophical backbone to it other than an aesthetic that's where we need to draw the line and

00:32:08.420 there needs to be some degree of pushback but now i want to go into niche because a lot of people

00:32:13.780 will hear this and see rhyming parts have you ever said frederick nietzsche's philosophy

00:32:19.460 nietzsche no just broadly before i go into it what do i know about his philosophy

00:32:25.380 there's the ubermunch there's a fairly black-pilled approach to humanity and society and there is a

00:32:37.300 deeply unhappy man who people have misframed as an incel just because he like never married but it's not

00:32:44.500 like he was actually an incel who was generally fairly unhealthy and didn't have very great relationships

00:32:51.060 in his life but had really great ideas and left behind that legacy that has since mostly resonated

00:32:56.660 with young men is how how accurate am i agreeing with him a lot no no we would totally end up agreeing

00:33:03.540 with him a lot because we take a very okay well here i'll ask you a different question what do you

00:33:07.780 think his view on the ubermunch was what what is your vague understanding of the ubermunch

00:33:13.140 if i were to frame it in our terms or state it in our terms it would be that some people really matter and

00:33:18.100 and the rest of people just don't no that's not it okay what is he believes the ubermunch is someone

00:33:22.500 who creates their own values and meaning in life rather than accepting pre-existing moral frameworks

00:33:27.140 oh wow so we totally like that because that's basically what the pragmatist guide to life is

00:33:30.820 all about is decide for yourself what you believe and why so this individual affirms life completely

00:33:35.940 saying yes to all aspects of existence including voice joy and suffering he believes that this individual

00:33:41.460 has to has overcome and have self-mastery a fundamental aspect of the ubermunch is the ability to overcome

00:33:46.340 oneself continually this involves mastering one's own instincts passions and even one's quote-unquote

00:33:51.540 evil tendencies the ubermunch strives for constant self-improvement and self-overcoming this worldliness 0.91

00:33:57.300 he positions at the ubermunch as a counterpoint to other worldly religious ideals the ubermunch is

00:34:02.660 focused on giving meaning to life on earth rather than seeking fulfillment in a spiritual or afterlife

00:34:08.020 realm creative power the ubermunch is described as a quote-unquote poet of life someone who creates and

00:34:12.500 destroys in the process of self-realization this creative power extends to the formation of new

00:34:17.700 values and the ability to shape one's own identity independence and responsibility and ubermunch takes full

00:34:23.300 responsibility for their life and choices not relying on external authority or scapegoats they are capable of

00:34:29.140 standing alone and embracing the freedom and responsibility that comes with self-determination embracing life's challenges

00:34:35.780 rather than seeking comfort or easy solutions the ubermunch welcomes challenges conflicts and adversity as

00:34:41.140 opportunities for growth and self-realization so the ubermunch is just a reasonable logical person who takes ownership 0.62

00:34:47.380 like hold on hold on i'm not i'm getting to the end here transcendence of common morality the ubermunch goes belong

00:34:53.060 conventional morality recognizing its socially constructed nature however this does not mean being a moral but rather

00:34:59.380 creating a personal ethical framework based on life-affirming values in essence nisha's ubermunch represents the highest 0.93

00:35:05.780 potential of human beings someone who has overcome societal constraints created their own values and

00:35:11.060 fully embraced the challenges and joys of earthly existence it's important to note that nietzsche saw

00:35:15.300 this as an ideal to strive towards not necessarily a concrete reality or call for a superior race so

00:35:20.500 continue your thoughts so this sounds like someone who just owns their own morality and lives life

00:35:26.580 according to it in accordance with their the values that they have decided independently for themselves

00:35:32.180 without being told what to do by society matter and that there's nothing exceptional about this

00:35:39.060 kind of person aside from the fact that it is fairly exceptional for what he thinks existed yet

00:35:45.940 wasn't he one of those people no so what you know because he doesn't seem to be the kind of person who

00:35:52.660 went by society's values were were influenced by the values of society and that other people's values

00:35:58.420 were influenced by the values of society and that these were not truly independently crafted values

00:36:06.340 okay well he's probably being a little hard on himself but i don't know simone i'd ask you this

00:36:13.380 other than us how many people do you know who created their own values a la like we go through in

00:36:20.020 the pragmatist guide to life how many have actually followed through with that i think i mean someone

00:36:25.380 obviously because we spoke with him recently give me a moment here monarchist curtis yarvin yeah i think

00:36:31.380 that what is this name again curtis yarvin sorry i think hold on hold on i'll add so this morning

00:36:38.340 simone and i were doing what we call a list of live players these are people we need to follow up with

00:36:44.180 and know so our list because basically they're acting this is this is cribbing from sam obersha's

00:36:49.380 concept of live players which is someone who is thinking independently and likely to change the

00:36:54.900 trajectory of of humanity because they're not going to act in the way that any other optimal

00:37:01.860 thinker would when placed in some kind of wind-up toy position exactly but the point i'm making simone

00:37:07.540 is that we made this list this morning so this is like a list of basically uber mentions you could say

00:37:12.900 yeah so on that list are people like ayla like curtis yarvin these people definitely are thinking how long is

00:37:20.500 the list it's a list it's like maybe 12 people it's like maybe 12 people the list is and i want

00:37:27.220 to make absolutely clear here not limited to the live players in our social networks it's not live

00:37:33.540 players we think we can build a connection with yes then some of these people are people we've never

00:37:37.380 had a conversation with they don't know who we are every live player on earth today that we could

00:37:44.580 identify simone with the internet how many more people do you think we know than nietzsche knew

00:37:53.220 within his lifetime okay touche he knew people who are maybe writing books within his lifetime and then

00:38:01.060 like people in his surrounding town the number of people that we see we are looking at cities of like

00:38:07.700 millions and millions of people and not like one city but multiple cities we are looking at like the

00:38:13.700 smartest of the smart people in our society who get together to hold private events where you know

00:38:19.060 we are picked for those events because like successful people think oh you guys are uniquely smart

00:38:24.580 and then we are we are we are leveraging those networks to find every other live player we can find

00:38:31.620 and there's just not that many like when you went to hereticon which is like some of the wealthiest

00:38:36.580 people in the world they go out and they find all of the greatest most heretical thinkers of our time

00:38:41.220 and the most common complaint among the live players there was it's just not that heretical here

00:38:47.140 yeah there's a lot of like we want more spicy conversations but part of that and part of the

00:38:51.780 discussion when people were saying that was have we just become desensitized at this point no no so

00:38:56.660 my point is simone if you look at if you assume that the rate of live players within niches like time

00:39:03.220 is the same as the rate of live players within our lifetime and ubermitch means live player

00:39:07.700 is it really that weird that he wouldn't have met anyone that fit that qualification in his life

00:39:14.740 okay you you make a strong point i and i'm probably

00:39:20.900 i'm i'm conflating his existence with the existence of that sort of vienna cafe culture

00:39:27.620 turn of the century social club of people who are all very influential intellectuals

00:39:33.060 but he wasn't in there but he wasn't in that and so that's that's my problem of just kind of

00:39:37.220 mushing history altogether and being like i don't know all smart dead people kind of hung out with

00:39:41.700 each other like live players throughout history but nietzsche was not in one of those communities

00:39:47.780 in fact his work was not recognized until after he died so he'd have no reason to think that he was

00:39:52.500 uniquely brilliant or anything like that yeah okay then totally understood and thank you for giving me that

00:39:59.300 explanation and it's interesting that this concept comes up again in samuel berger's work and comes up

00:40:04.820 again in what we're at least in what we're calling people to become in the pragmatist guide to life

00:40:10.820 i i didn't realize we were essentially asking people to become an yeah the pragmatist guide to

00:40:16.100 becoming an ubermitch that is what the book basically is yeah i really want to emphasize here how

00:40:21.860 rare people are who create their own value system even though simone was like but isn't that the basic

00:40:28.180 that's expected of everyone we have been environments that are supposed to be the

00:40:34.020 places where the best and the brightest of our society collate you know i have a stanford mba

00:40:38.580 she had the graduate degree from cambridge whatever you think of higher institutions utility it is true

00:40:44.420 that it can open some doors with you for you and definitely of the people who are going into higher

00:40:49.620 education the stanford business school is probably the hardest program to get into and cambridge is one of

00:40:53.780 the most classically prestigious graduate programs to get into and at neither did i meet a single

00:41:00.820 person i would put in this ubermitch category and i frequently like one of my go-to conversations is

00:41:07.300 okay what do you what do you want from your life like well it has value what's good and so few people

00:41:13.220 had anything other than like an aesthetic explanation for that like i want this aesthetic outcome or i want

00:41:19.700 this set of things that i was taught to expect from life instead of having some like underlying

00:41:25.780 logical explanation or you get pretty um you know childish life philosophies like oh things that

00:41:31.620 make me feel good are good and i should maximize feeling good among the population which is you know

00:41:37.700 what you normally get from somebody who just hasn't put a lot of thought into life i guess and so yeah

00:41:42.020 i was i was i i think that i would commend to people that if you're out there and if you're young and

00:41:46.500 you're like okay when am i gonna finally meet the intellectually active people i might give up on

00:41:51.940 that or not give up on that but understand that you're going to meet them by doing the types of

00:41:56.020 things that you as an intellectually active person would decide to do so like if i was at the pronatalist

00:42:02.260 convention which is coming up soon by the way uh you can check it out and the code word to get a

00:42:06.820 discount is collins you're probably going to meet a lot of people like that there just because if you're

00:42:11.380 looking at the world's problems today and you're not concerned about what other people think of you

00:42:14.980 you're probably going to be like oh fertility rates that's an issue i should probably be working 1.00

00:42:18.260 on that in some way or you know some stuff around ai you might see them in in higher numbers so it

00:42:25.220 like with the cafes of old that simone was talking about it is the places where the best and the

00:42:30.660 brightest coalesce to talk about the problems of the time and not the accrediting institutions

00:42:36.740 where you're going to find life players but i'm glad that we i mean i don't know i kind of

00:42:41.060 have insistently tried not to read nietzsche because i don't want to be one of those people

00:42:45.860 who is constantly influenced by i i personally and this is another thing about our our more

00:42:51.540 backwards influenced culture is that we we look down upon people who speak in the terms of other

00:42:59.620 philosophers and constantly refer to them oh i hate it as soon as somebody starts quoting philosophers 0.95

00:43:04.420 to me i'm like oh so you're an idiot yeah like just state things in simple terms and and stop 0.96

00:43:09.460 trying to front and show me how well read you are this really bothers me well and i think nietzsche 0.99

00:43:14.980 does a good job of this he's also very against like cruelty of the strong to the weak people think

00:43:20.740 no he'd view that as a form of weakness you know that's like the adult who plays children in tennis

00:43:25.140 to dunk on them oh well and i i can probably dig up this study and find it for you if you ask me for

00:43:30.900 it before you run this but i can share with you the study that showed that people in like a technical

00:43:37.140 academic field who are lower in status tended to use more jargon than people who are higher in

00:43:41.620 status because it's a way for if you actually are low status to try to puff yourself up if you're of

00:43:47.860 high status all you want to do is explain things in dumbed down terms that people can understand so

00:43:52.260 honestly the more dumbed down your terminology is the higher status you are and you know someone who's

00:43:57.380 really amazing at that is elon musk when he explains things he uses extremely simple terms he doesn't make

00:44:04.020 references he speaks in words that everyone can understand including children and i think that's

00:44:09.140 i absolutely agree you know who else is good at that is trump never never you know uses these like

00:44:14.100 obscure references or anything like that like he's interested in getting his point across now let's

00:44:18.980 talk about nietzsche's view of weakness because a lot of people are going to see it as correlatory to

00:44:24.660 our view of weakness when they are distinct but i'm going to say that his view of weakness is not

00:44:30.500 stupid so a lot of people would say that he argues that leaks weakness leads to immorality so he calls

00:44:36.100 this the the slave morality okay so oh no is this his term for sheeple or something is this just 1.00

00:44:45.940 maybe a little bit okay so there's this thing called slave morality in which the weak are unable

00:44:51.860 to assert themselves psychologically or socially they are developed so this is his word for lemmings or 0.92

00:44:59.060 sheeple or or or npcs it's a bit different it's a bit different than that oh okay they develop

00:45:04.660 resentment towards the strong they create a moral system that redefies weakness as virtuous traits like

00:45:11.700 humility meekness and obedience become quote-unquote good strengths pride and self-assertion become

00:45:18.740 quote-unquote evil so essentially what he believes is that when individuals are weak they redefine the

00:45:28.020 rules of the game to make weakness strengths and to look down upon and see with contempt the things

00:45:35.780 that some individuals have which give them strengths over of weak individuals so if i'm a weak individual

00:45:42.500 and i see somebody who has achieved things i can't because of their willpower or because of their

00:45:47.460 cunning i will redefine willpower or cunning as evil that's so interesting because i thought that this

00:45:54.500 behavior was a very modern phenomenon i thought quite frankly that those disempowered enough to

00:46:01.620 see themselves in these weak positions have only just recently been given the platform and ability

00:46:07.060 to shape culture what he's implying with this definition if you have it right is that the weak 1.00

00:46:12.980 for a very long time have had cultural influence and the ability to reshape narratives and have been

00:46:18.260 trying to do this since at least his lifetime which is surprising yes actually he saw the beginning of

00:46:25.700 this influence coming from a christian morality oh yeah which i mean of course like ever since the the

00:46:32.020 new testament ever since jesus this was the thing you know the meek shall inherit the earth right but 0.97

00:46:37.940 yes and i think that this is an over uh you know extrapolation of that line within christianity i do not

00:46:45.140 believe that this is i i think if you look at something like turn the other cheek and that

00:46:49.540 stuff that is not weakness it's about being tough and it's about being oriented around your values

00:46:56.900 rather than your values over other people's values it's about not responding not yeah if somebody is

00:47:04.180 attacking you you do not need to be baited into that yeah and i'd also say the same with the meekness

00:47:09.940 this is about social inversion it is not about weakness jesus didn't say the weak will inherit

00:47:16.980 the earth yeah it says the meek well i'll look up the definition of the word as jesus meant it in

00:47:22.180 the context because i think it's likely not oh yeah what the original word was yeah everything's

00:47:26.980 it's the meek blessed are the meek oh that's nice isn't it i'm glad they're getting something because

00:47:32.660 they have a hell of a time are you kidding me okay so i go up to look what does the word that is

00:47:39.620 translated into english as meek where jesus says blessed are the meek for they will inherit the

00:47:44.740 earth i was like okay cool well what's it mean it means having self-control the term is most frequently

00:47:52.100 used to describe a horse that is tamed that what it it means you are a being of great strengths but you

00:48:03.860 act with gentleness humility and self-control of course no one would want us to know what is being

00:48:12.100 said there are blessed are those with self-control for they will inherit the earth the one thing we're

00:48:17.700 not allowed to have i would note that when i had mentioned this before in videos that were actually

00:48:21.940 filmed after this video and edited after this video so i'm editing this sort of in post somebody was

00:48:26.900 like oh well if you look at this argument meek actually is better translated as gentle however

00:48:32.980 if you actually look at the instances in the argument that this person is providing it's very

00:48:39.220 clearly self-control fits better than the word gentle so i'll give you some examples here this is

00:48:44.740 from the nickmanian ethics from aristotle where he's using this word and we can try putting in the word

00:48:50.980 self-control and we can try then putting in the word gentle and you'll see that self-control just fits

00:48:55.860 better but it's pretty clear that this word meant self-control all right now we praise a man who feels

00:49:00.580 anger on the right grounds and against the right persons and also in the right manner and at the

00:49:05.700 right moment for the right length of time he may then be called self-controlled if we take having

00:49:12.420 self-control to be a praiseworthy quality for those with self-control really denote a calm temper not led by

00:49:19.460 emotion but only by becoming angry in such a manner for such causes and for such lengths of time

00:49:25.780 as principle may ordain although the quality is through rather to err on the side of defect

00:49:32.660 since the man with self-control is not prompted to seek redress for injuries but rather inclined to

00:49:39.700 forgive them now let's put gentle in here and you'll see that gentle just makes so much less sense

00:49:45.300 now we praise the man who feels anger on the right grounds and against the right person

00:49:49.540 and also in the right manner at the right moment and for the right length of time

00:49:53.380 he may then be called gentle-tempered if we take gentleness to be a praiseworthy quality for

00:49:58.740 gentle really denotes a calm temper not led by emotion is that what gentle indicates a calm

00:50:04.740 temper not led by emotion but only becoming angry for such cases um that have like a where principle

00:50:11.620 may ordain no that's not what a gentle person would do a person with self-control would only become angry

00:50:17.540 when their principle would tell them to become angry and not in reaction to things a person with

00:50:22.500 self-control would be a person who's able to restrain their temper and i should note what's really cool

00:50:28.340 here is we have aristotle here basically in long form defining what this word actually meant which is

00:50:33.940 so so cool that we get that but it means more than just a generic self-control it means very specifically

00:50:41.540 the ability to control the emotions that you are expressing to other people or experiencing yourself

00:50:49.620 in the face of something that might anger someone or something that might otherwise cause distress to

00:50:55.460 an individual so it's very specifically self-control over your emotional state or at least the emotional

00:51:01.300 state that you're expressing to other individuals and it makes perfect sense to me that people with

00:51:04.900 self-control and self-discipline would inherit the earth uh yeah of course how blessed are the sorrowful

00:51:09.540 they shall find consolation how blessed are those of gentle spirit they shall have the earth for

00:51:14.660 their possession how blessed are those who hunger and thirst to see right prevail what was that i don't

00:51:20.260 know it's too busy talking a big nose i think it was blessed are the cheesemakers special about the

00:51:25.860 cheesemakers well obviously it's not meant to be taken literally it refers to any manufacturers of

00:51:30.820 dairy products you hear that blessed or the greek the greek well apparently he's going to inherit the earth

00:51:37.780 did anyone catch his name the meek blessed are the meek oh that's nice isn't it i'm glad they're

00:51:43.780 getting something because they have a hell of a time people used parts of christian theology as early

00:51:48.900 as anisha's time and weaponized them however i would disagree with nietzsche in the way that this

00:51:56.740 plays out so in nietzsche's mind specific individuals see other individuals becoming strong or successful

00:52:05.300 and then to psychologically protect themselves they say oh the things that make them strong

00:52:08.980 and successful are the things that are bad about them i actually don't think it plays out that way

00:52:12.900 i think it happens at the level of cultural systems as i've mentioned before i.e you will have uh one

00:52:19.540 cultural system as we've noted in the united states that uh originally for example said oh if something

00:52:26.020 creates disgust within you then it is immoral whether that is you know a diseased person or two men 0.61

00:52:32.900 kissing or you know the poor right and then that began to create a lot of negative externalities

00:52:39.380 and then another cultural group was like oh we shouldn't be looking at things that way clearly

00:52:44.740 this leads to you know this is the mother theresa thing you know hug the lepers even if they create 0.98

00:52:49.380 an evolved sense of disgust in you because you know in an evolutionary context if you hug people

00:52:53.700 that leprosy you get leprosy and die right like there's a biological reason to not hug somebody who

00:52:58.180 looks horrifyingly sick you need to overcome that you need to learn to love them and this

00:53:02.180 appears on its surface to be a superior moral ideology and i agree that it is in so far as

00:53:09.300 it differentiates between the intrinsic disgust reaction but even to nisha that intrinsic disgust 1.00

00:53:14.100 reaction is something you need to learn to master with the mistake that this cultural group makes is

00:53:18.820 it begins to elevate the disgust reaction it begins to say the things that create disgust are the things

00:53:24.660 that are good at a cultural level and i think you see this in a lot of modern art i think yeah and

00:53:30.660 the uglification of so many things yes where they will take video game characters and they'll say

00:53:36.820 this character is rousing to look at or beautiful to look at then it must be evil and we must subvert

00:53:42.580 it whereas we need to yeah or we they would they will literally use attractive people as like 0.98

00:53:48.260 that's how you know they're fascists

00:53:49.780 absolutely and he thinks more broadly that what a lot of people consider virtue or morality

00:53:59.780 is just a system for affirming weakness and he focused a lot on this concept of being life denying

00:54:06.500 or life affirming as a value system which again i guess i'd say rhymes a lot with a lot of like

00:54:11.540 manosphere philosophies or even our philosophy if you look at our video of life levels of i think it might

00:54:19.620 be the video on the age of vitality or vitalism of vitalist based systems now here i'll note that

00:54:28.020 you might now say well if all of this is the case then how does nietzsche define good right like if he's

00:54:34.820 saying that weakness causes people to act in negative ways how is he like measuring these individual

00:54:41.860 actions as negative and i'll read a basic explanation of how he defines what's good and what's bad and this

00:54:48.580 might surprise you as well simon so he nietzsche defines quote-unquote good primarily in terms

00:54:54.420 of what promotes human flourishing and the realization of human greatness particularly for

00:54:59.220 those he considers quote-unquote higher types or quote-unquote noble he rejects traditional

00:55:05.780 morality's universal prescriptions in favor of a more individualistic and life-affirming approach

00:55:11.220 power and strengths nietzsche associates goodness with everything that heightens the feeling of power in

00:55:15.620 man the will to power and power itself life affirmation he values actions and attitudes that

00:55:21.460 affirm life embrace struggle and promote vitality rather than those that deny or diminish life human

00:55:27.860 excellence nietzsche prioritizes the cultivation of exceptional individuals and their unique virtues

00:55:35.140 over universal moral norms creativity and self-overcoming he emphasizes the importance of creating new values

00:55:42.660 and constantly striving to surpass oneself metrics for evaluation life promotion nietzsche asks whether

00:55:49.220 moral decisions are quote-unquote life promoting life preserving species preserving perhaps even

00:55:54.420 species cultivating now you can see how much this aligns with a lot of our philosophy flourishing of

00:56:00.340 higher types he judges moral systems by their capacity to facilitate the development of exceptional

00:56:05.300 individuals the perspectivism nietzsche advocates for recognizing the validity of different moral

00:56:11.780 perspectives was in their cultural context rather than adhering to universal standards so again

00:56:16.660 pluralism nietzsche argued for pluralism this is so unexpectedly pro natalist optimistic and vitalistic

00:56:23.540 when i've i'm used to being presented nietzsche as this very depressing dark black-pilled guy

00:56:33.300 and i think that what we're seeing here is why like and then finally here overcoming resentment

00:56:39.540 he values moral systems that avoid the resentment and reactive attitudes he associates with slave 0.50

00:56:46.340 morality by rejecting traditional morality's universal claims focus on altruism nietzsche aims to create a

00:56:53.620 space that is more nuanced individualistic and life-affirming in its approach to ethics that promotes human

00:56:58.580 greatness and cultural flourishing so you can see from this a lot of this aligns with our value system not

00:57:05.300 all of it and we're going to get into just a second why not all of it does but when you hear this i bet

00:57:09.700 you're thinking this is not the niche i was told existed why wasn't i told that this is what niche was

00:57:16.020 actually about nietzsche whatever i don't care what his real name is it's a different it's not a real

00:57:21.700 language there's english and then there's everything else i don't want to tell you my words

00:57:26.100 like drinking sewer water okay and again this is what we're talking about when we're talking about

00:57:30.820 cultural competition having a degree of humor in your cultural pride humor in your patriotism

00:57:37.700 can be great in terms of causing other people to lean into their cultural pride and patriarchy yes

00:57:43.220 yes yes but i think that the urban monoculture fundamentally hid people what this philosophy

00:57:50.820 was because they knew it would seem so he basically called out wokeism before wokeism came to exist

00:57:57.300 yeah and this is pretty mind-blowing for me thank you for calling me on this well i mean i i think

00:58:05.620 that the he's like oh yeah so in the future this group of people is going to use sympathy as a weapon

00:58:11.060 they're going to use it too they're going to begin to have contempt for everyone who's successful

00:58:15.220 everyone who's thriving they're going to try to spread this morality they're going to try to diminish

00:58:20.180 these people's capacity for exceptionalism he could be seen as a very like it's interesting if you if

00:58:26.260 you go over what niche thought it is very i'd say predictive and almost prophetic of woke culture

00:58:35.540 and the evils of woke culture and how woke culture acts and hurts people the evils of the culture that

00:58:42.180 creates basically roaming populations of homeless people who just get shipped between cities as soon

00:58:47.700 as any city receives sanity and then another city is like oh we'll be the good guys now and it is

00:58:52.980 is fundamentally evil and it is something that fundamentally we must fight against but

00:58:59.380 fortunately it is also self-extinguishing the slave morality that niche talks about i think spiraled out

00:59:05.460 of control within recent ages and is now the dominant cultural group in our society not in the way it was

00:59:13.940 during the christian period but in an even more true way we're in the christian period i think people were

00:59:19.780 twisting scripture to get slave morality where now i think slave morality is being worshipped

00:59:25.220 in and of itself any thoughts before i go into how we differentiate from each no i mean you you just

00:59:31.540 basically summed it up but that's still fascinating as as to how we differentiate from nietzsche which i

00:59:38.980 think is very interesting from our perspective which could be seen as very aligned with nietzsche

00:59:43.060 yeah we deride like nazis for the same reason we deride the blm movement which is to say nazis say 0.53

00:59:51.540 we are not thriving we didn't win the war because of this other cultural group that's making more 1.00

00:59:55.140 money than us it's doing better academically than us it's in higher paid professions than us the jews

01:00:00.100 a lot of people think they didn't like the jews because they thought the jews were like dirty or

01:00:02.740 something they they use that in some of their advertisements but that was in the same way wokes will call

01:00:07.620 like white people discussing most of the stuff on the jews that the nazi complained complained that

01:00:12.100 they out earned germans that they were taking money from germans that they had quote-unquote privilege

01:00:16.500 over germans if you translated it to modern words there's a reason you're not being told this but

01:00:20.580 that was fundamentally the way the ideology worked and that was why i deride that ideology so much in

01:00:26.180 but for the same reason that was like blm where they're like oh black culture isn't doing well

01:00:30.100 because white culture white culture is cheating white culture is victimizing us and i'm like it's not

01:00:34.340 and they're like no look at all these systemic and i'm like well there's look everything was taken

01:00:38.500 from us when we were slaves and i was like well everything was taken from the japanese much more

01:00:41.860 recently when they were put in the concentration camps and they bounced back pretty well i have a

01:00:47.620 lot of jewish internment camps but yeah whatever a lot of friends of mine families went through the

01:00:53.620 holocaust and they lost everything and the nazis took everything from them and they moved to the u.s

01:00:58.980 explain that you know it's cultural differences when you can accept that you need to learn from other 0.64

01:01:03.460 cultures you can improve quickly when you believe in a past and this is i think a danger for black 1.00

01:01:09.700 culture right now that it's facing is the wakandanization of ancient africanism which is to say that 0.74

01:01:17.300 they can just go back to some ancient way of being african and they'll be able to outcompete everyone 0.99

01:01:21.620 instead of needing to come to me is not ancient it's super high-tech that's what makes it so cool

01:01:28.340 no but it is based on the belief which has become quite common within some black communities

01:01:33.460 that they used to be this super powerful advanced civilization and that by going back to that they can

01:01:38.740 achieve greatness again and i look at the we was kings movements the same way that i look at modern

01:01:45.620 anti-semites or nazis more broadly it is a glorification of a past that never happened right because our our

01:01:52.660 key philosophy is is you don't go back you push forward taking what was best well no our biggest

01:01:59.140 key philosophy is the biggest deception you could ever have as a deception against yourself a belief

01:02:04.820 that you are strong where you are weak that you are succeeding where you are failing

01:02:10.980 but how are we different from each the core failure of niche's philosophy this isn't that big

01:02:16.740 a failure but it is a core differentiation we have is he saw individuals as being made up of like sort

01:02:22.980 of competing urges or components that fought against each other and while i think this exists to an

01:02:28.340 extent i think that the core unit of identity when we're looking at society is not the individual but

01:02:34.340 it's the intergenerational family unit and then the clan and then the individual if i'm sort of ranking

01:02:41.220 the importance of these individual things when i'm looking at the individual above the individual

01:02:46.580 is me in this exact moment of time or me as i exist as a combination of my genetics and the meme plexus

01:02:54.500 which are living on top of those genetics but me as an individual is just not particularly important

01:03:01.220 and i think a lot of our philosophy could be seen as now i'd never read niche before i didn't know that

01:03:07.060 any of these were ideas that rhymed with his ideas of taking some ideas that rhyme with his ideas and

01:03:13.140 applying them at the cultural level instead of applying them at the individual level i mean

01:03:18.900 wouldn't you say that there are some competing urges within every human with at least every human who

01:03:24.100 tries to rise above their base humanity like there's the part of you that just wants to eat and be lazy and

01:03:29.700 lie back and not work because we're designed to conserve energy and and maximize intake of calories and and

01:03:37.460 reproduce but then there's also our prefrontal cortex and this ability to rise above and reason and engage

01:03:44.420 with logic and think about things bigger than just our basic urges i think that's a fundamental internal

01:03:50.900 struggle that anyone who even sees themselves as part of a larger chain has to overcome every single day

01:03:56.900 don't you uh yeah i agree with that i mean i we we often talk about as a four-footed beast which is caged with

01:04:05.380 you have your human side and your animal side and they're both in a cage and you need to feed your animal

01:04:09.940 side just enough meat to keep it from getting strong or it will attack and kill you it will dominate you

01:04:15.540 uh but if you feed it nothing it goes rabid and attacks you or you end up spending all your time

01:04:20.260 mollifying it and petting it and being like it's okay buddy i know you know we haven't seen porn in

01:04:25.700 a year but you don't need to freak out when you see an attractive woman colonel these men have taken

01:04:31.300 a supreme vow of celibacy like their fathers and their fathers before them haven't seen a woman in 1.00

01:04:36.100 decades miss huddleston you say your war is over wherever you go you take the pain with you i know you

01:04:48.020 were hurt when that woman left but you're just using that to hide from who you really are thank

01:04:53.460 you next but yeah i i think that that we see that but i i take that not from nietzsche i take that from

01:05:00.660 winwood reed where he talks about these concepts and i think that also our concept of civilization

01:05:05.620 which is to say civilization or a civilized individual is someone who's better able to suppress

01:05:10.420 these pre-evolved needs and ideas for and humanity more broadly where you argued to me and i have

01:05:16.900 adopted this view is that the human is the part of ourselves that we choose instead of the part of

01:05:22.740 ourselves that we are born with and that people who are more human are the people who are better

01:05:27.860 able to suppress their pre-born instincts their animal side would you agree with that sorry i'm

01:05:34.100 trying to find like moments when i can talk when she's not winching i have a call in six minutes just as

01:05:40.180 a note great well then we use our time wisely today and i really appreciate you simone i it's

01:05:46.420 so cool to be potentially contributing to the philosophical canon of human civilization

01:05:52.580 but be able to do so was not living a shitty life like nietzsche did the amount of luxury that we enjoy

01:05:59.540 is humbling every single day i mean i'm just humble that we have hot water it is amazing running water

01:06:05.700 running water and hot water holy crap and drink drink a potable water that we can just drink the water

01:06:12.500 that we get in our faucets there are so many things that blow my mind every single day and yeah that

01:06:17.380 we get to it also that the average person in a developed country now who has access to an internet

01:06:22.740 connection and a phone can engage with the world's leading philosophers i mean this used to be something

01:06:27.780 where only the wealthiest and the most connected would have the shot at going to some university where

01:06:33.460 some major philosopher was pontificating in some large venue and you wouldn't really necessarily get to

01:06:39.460 to know them or have a lot of exposure to their ideas and now people can just go on youtube and

01:06:45.620 listen to it or like follow this person on substack and it's i love that we live in this age and i love

01:06:50.500 how democratized these great ideas are and to your point now i'm coming away from this conversation very

01:06:55.700 grateful for the fact that while nietzsche lived at a time where he thought that ubermunch the ubermunch was

01:07:01.380 like a theoretical figure that now pretty much everyone has the tools to become an ubermunch and

01:07:08.820 that there are a decent number of these people and that they are significantly changing the trajectory of

01:07:13.860 humanity at a time where we would argue this is one of those inflection points in the entire history of

01:07:22.180 humankind and intelligence in general that is really crucial and some some decisions made by a small

01:07:30.340 handful of people who choose to participate in the game and this is not about who is the most money

01:07:34.820 or the most iq or the highest iq that is it is about those who choose to show up and play this game

01:07:40.820 they're going to change the course of human history um and intelligence interesting thing is it to tell

01:07:47.140 nietzsche that we would eventually enter a time of such opulence of of of such abundance that because

01:07:57.140 pleasure was so everywhere for people that the only humans who are able to survive the only humans who

01:08:04.100 are able to make it through this crucible are the ones who trended towards the ubermunch that is

01:08:09.940 fundamentally what our philosophy of the garden of the lotus eaters is yeah to say that only those who

01:08:16.020 can master their own values and masters themselves are going to exist in the future we are we are

01:08:22.340 at a civilizational bottleneck where only the ubermunch survive yeah it's exciting it's exciting 1.00

01:08:28.660 it's scary but it gives me a lot of hope and i love the fact that so many people have a shot at

01:08:34.660 really mattering now and it doesn't come down to where you went to school or who you know or how wealthy

01:08:40.020 you are whatever like that that was in the past and i mean i think nietzsche did come from a position of

01:08:44.820 having enough money in his family and having enough family to support to to a certain extent to be

01:08:52.340 someone who had these ideas um now this is something that's a lot more democratized so it's cool thank

01:08:59.460 you this is a really interesting conversation i didn't think it would be because we've talked about

01:09:04.900 this so much and we're like i don't know this seems like a straightforward situation but yeah there

01:09:11.300 is and i was surprised because i had always sort of looked down on nietzsche's work as being like

01:09:17.060 try hard i sort of thought of it as like well maybe it's because so many try hard people started talking

01:09:22.100 about it and then you start to associate it with that and i think here's the problem here's what may

01:09:26.820 have completely broken his reputation is that a bunch of like incel red pillar types started quoting

01:09:32.420 his work way too much not way too much but like a lot and then all of those that the urban monoculture

01:09:38.820 enemies of those people then basically started blackballing nietzsche as a historical figure

01:09:44.980 because he was this this superhero to a particular class of human that they saw as subhuman and hateable

01:09:51.460 and and anything that they liked it had to be bad concept aesthetically aligns with some nazi ideals

01:09:58.660 when people hear it because they don't know what it means they don't know what it means people who

01:10:02.420 it's a german word and it implies some level of superiority it must be evil yeah and he was around during

01:10:07.940 the nazis and i've heard that some of his books were edited by somebody who had nazi sympathies

01:10:11.860 after he died because he sort of became famous after he died was he was he pre-naz i don't know

01:10:16.420 the exact timeline my understanding is he was sort of when the nazis were rising and his like sister

01:10:21.140 or cousin or something edited a lot of his works to include some like anti-semitic ideals when i think

01:10:26.820 that you know realistically if you're applying his ideals they'd be incredibly pro-jewish because which is 0.66

01:10:32.580 but i but i think that if if you look at our ideals i guess i'd say that our ideals are significantly

01:10:38.340 closer to the ideals of somebody like nietzsche than they are to your classic modern anti-semit or

01:10:44.660 racist or anything like that but they don't align completely with them yeah yeah well which is fair 0.58

01:10:50.900 because we live with a lot of additional information and what am i having for dinner tonight before your

01:10:55.620 call by the way so i'm kind of experimenting a little bit with something from the freezer and if it

01:11:02.260 doesn't work out i'm gonna have backup what are you experimenting with spit it out your your karai 0.53

01:11:07.140 spiced chicken i'm going to try baking and air frying different versions of it maybe with an egg

01:11:13.220 wash just to see if we can revive it because you don't want to deep fry it anymore you're concerned

01:11:18.340 about the carcinogenic elements of the oil so i'm going to try two different elements of baking it

01:11:23.300 simultaneously tonight and if neither of them ends up working out then you're going to have grilled

01:11:27.860 cheese sandwiches where's the karai spiced chicken it was in the deep freezer and we need to use it

01:11:34.500 or get rid of it so oh is it like deep frying yeah you had pre-prepared this for deep frying

01:11:41.540 you'd created karai spice right in a pan i don't want to deal with all the oil okay well we'll see how

01:11:48.820 it works yeah and if this doesn't work and you still think that it's worth reviving there's a lot

01:11:53.220 more of it there's a ton of it because you made a i will deep fry it then because i like the deep

01:11:57.380 fried correct okay then yeah but next time i will i will fill a large all right do your call you're late

01:12:02.980 thanks bye so this i really appreciate that simone you did a great job i hit order on amazon

01:12:13.700 i am skilled you acted with efficiency and urgency which is what was required of you

01:12:19.380 for this particular emergency simone make sure you're centered no just no what there uh no not

01:12:30.180 quite uh there you go thank you these things you're going to think of how we can start this

01:12:38.100 well you mentioned the star trek clip you have the clip from that anime what is star trek oh the star

01:12:44.020 track yes i mean there's so many like there this is one of those i think it keeps recurring in memes

01:12:52.820 as a trolley problem and in media and in shows because it's one of these problems that

01:12:59.540 we're fully aware of and we just don't like it but also social mores like tribal based intuitive

01:13:08.180 evolutionary traits that we have like that intuition toward fairness means that we can't

01:13:16.500 override logic without feeling an extreme pull like it's deeply unfair that this exists and we're

01:13:23.940 evolved to not accept the reality but at the same time we logically know that that is the reality and i

01:13:31.860 think that that tension makes this something that people keep bringing up and highlighting without

01:13:38.820 ever of course coming to a clear conclusion unlike us of course we just know exactly what's okay so

01:13:44.900 i'll get started so we can jump right into it go for it yeah

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Based Camp - November 29, 2024

The Immorality of Weakness： Nietzschean vs. Collinsian Philosophy

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