Based Camp - The Incredible Decline of Traditional Media： Our YouTube Channel is Worth 14 NY Times Journalists？？？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I am so excited to be talking to you today. We're going to have some stats here

00:00:04.540 that I think are going to shock you and our listeners because they shocked me. And I'll

00:00:09.760 just jump into, I think one of the most surprising to me. So the average American, when they click

00:00:16.220 through to a newspaper is on that link for 1.5 minutes, actually a little less than that. So

00:00:22.240 I'm inflating the numbers a bit. Okay. If you look at the New York times, the New York times

00:00:28.580 gets around 385.7 million clicks per month. That comes down to around 9,642 K hours on the New York

00:00:39.360 times. Okay. Now consider that they have 1,700 journalists working there. And there are two of

00:00:49.320 us. That means that the content we produce is consumed by seven times as much time.

00:00:58.280 As the content produced by an average New York times journalist,

00:01:02.340 that means that the entire New York times is only 121 X more watched than our podcast,

00:01:13.800 just on YouTube. Right. We are not a big channel. Would you like to know more?

00:01:19.320 So there's just no way that this can be financially justified going forward. I mean,

00:01:26.620 how can advertisers continue? Well, now the New York times is a subscriber based. So maybe this is

00:01:32.380 more of the sub stack thing is New York times invented the sub stack model before the sub stack.

00:01:37.180 Well, I mean, I guess they went back to the original magazine. So before they were newspapers,

00:01:40.880 there were magazines and magazines were the original sub stack. They were specialized information

00:01:46.940 that people paid for because it was useful to them in their careers and in their social lives.

00:01:52.520 And then things sort of went onto newspapers and they went mass. And now we've gone back to niche

00:01:56.900 with sub stack. And I think the New York times is becoming that too. So somehow the New York times

00:02:01.160 is able to pay for it. I think a lot of its legacy reputation, but for these other publications,

00:02:06.220 like general newspapers, all sorts of other publications go over their actual,

00:02:11.600 like how much they're consumed and then compare that with popular YouTube channels,

00:02:16.180 popular YouTube channels. So just in case you're wondering the math here, typically an individual

00:02:22.120 who has a sub stack subscriber is making like 500% more. Well, I think more than that, maybe like

00:02:29.740 a thousand percent more from that viewer than they would be if that viewer was on YouTube or something

00:02:35.540 like that. I mean, just consider you, you're watching this episode and you are paying me to watch this

00:02:41.980 episode, maybe a fraction of a cent. But if you were on sub stack and you were paying like, I don't

00:02:47.960 know, $5 a month to me or something like that, you'd be paying significantly more. I'd also point out

00:02:54.560 here how much of the ad spend within traditional media is sentiment driven by the advertisers. As evidence

00:03:02.200 of this, we see how many advertisers were able to pull off of X slash Twitter the moment it was bought

00:03:07.900 by Elon. If they were advertising with the goal of reaching a consumer, this would not have been

00:03:13.100 something they would have done. It would have been like, obviously he didn't change the math of

00:03:18.140 advertising on X. He, all it changed was the sentiment of the advertising class. So in a big way,

00:03:25.460 traditional media is something that is just being subsidized by the, I guess what I call it,

00:03:30.640 the Karens who run marketing departments. The core thesis that I'm going to be getting across here

00:03:36.060 is when you look to legacy media and you are thinking about the impact it has on our culture,

00:03:45.480 you shouldn't think about it as a thing that is separate from the other online influencers of our day.

00:03:53.400 You should just think of it as a specific category. What's the word I'm looking for here?

00:04:01.200 Crowdsourced community. So I'll word it this way, right? People can be like, well, the New York

00:04:06.380 Times is quite different from something like a YouTube personality because the New York Times has

00:04:12.160 thousands of reporters, right? And YouTube.

00:04:14.640 Oh, no. But it has a sizable staff. Yes.

00:04:18.080 It has 1,700.

00:04:19.000 100. Okay. Almost 2,000, but that's not thousands. That's hundreds.

00:04:24.480 Okay. Anyway, point being, the New York Times is a sizable staff. Therefore, you know,

00:04:29.860 in YouTuber, they're just like you and me, but that's also not true. If you look at large YouTubers,

00:04:34.200 like, God, I've absolutely loved watching the Illuma hottie fall. 0.99

00:04:38.900 When something as horrible as this happens, people always come out and admit fault and tell the horrifying

00:04:43.720 truth of their continued negligence and malpractice, right? Yeah, you're right. That never happens.

00:04:48.800 What am I thinking? Instead, they usually do their best to hide everything and blame anyone but

00:04:53.500 themselves. And wouldn't you know it, that's exactly what happened here too.

00:04:56.460 That has been very, very fun. But you know, she was just the talking head, but she had like five 1.00

00:05:01.340 writers. She wrote almost nothing herself from my understanding or nothing herself.

00:05:05.460 Yeah.

00:05:05.700 And this is true for a lot of the big YouTubers you watch. You know, Game Theory, for example,

00:05:10.320 for ages, MatPat hasn't been doing anything other than presenting.

00:05:13.260 They treat it, they treat it like a professional business as they should. Yeah. Most, well, okay,

00:05:19.980 not most, but many, many, many of the YouTube channels that I regularly watch. And that's

00:05:23.680 because they are constantly turning out content are absolutely teams. And I respect that. And

00:05:27.980 that's good. And they work well.

00:05:29.040 The point I'm making here is they are teams and traditional media is a team. Okay. And sometimes

00:05:36.380 the teams are bigger. Sometimes the teams are smaller, but I think people will be like, well,

00:05:41.600 yeah, but people trust traditional media more. And I'm like, that's also just factually untrue at this

00:05:48.200 point. One, you can look at the statistics and see it's not true.

00:05:51.440 These days, it's only 32% of Americans have quote unquote, a fair amount of trust in the media.

00:05:57.720 And in the 1970s, this was 70%. These days, the amount of Americans who have a fair amount of

00:06:05.380 trust in the media is lower than the amount who totally distrust it.

00:06:10.200 But then too, you know, I was talking with Simone about this and she was saying, you know,

00:06:13.720 it's really interesting that traditional media used to frame itself as like at least attempting to

00:06:20.520 be centrist. And it has completely abandoned that pretext. And you were going over, you know,

00:06:28.940 where NPR had had on, they at least had had on the Republican to give his defense.

00:06:34.100 Well, specifically the, there's a podcast associated with NPR called The Indicator from

00:06:38.320 Planet Money. That's part of their Planet Money economics podcast series, which I love listening

00:06:42.300 to. The Indicator recently ran two episodes, one on Kamala Harris's economic policy, one on Trump's

00:06:48.660 economic policy. Per journalistic tradition, they, they tried, I think, to play both sides in that

00:06:56.460 they are present both sides and that they interviewed Trump friendly economic organizations when talking

00:07:06.060 about Trump policy and interviewed Kamala Harry, the friendly policy organizations when talking about

00:07:11.580 Kamala. It's just that the way that they framed them was very different. They included a very awkward

00:07:17.280 pause when interviewing one of the Trump stands essentially, and really made the Kamala stands

00:07:23.460 look very intelligent. So there's still a lot of skew, but they're sort of performatively trying to do

00:07:28.200 this. Yeah. So, and I pointed out to you when you were trying to make this claim, I was like, yeah,

00:07:33.860 but consider the big, you know, personality driven non mainstream media, like Joe Rogan or something

00:07:40.460 like Joe Rogan is known as having a conservative bias, but it's not like a mainstream conservative bias.

00:07:46.360 It's like, you know, a slightly anti-Trump, you know, pro Kennedy, like it was his own thing. It

00:07:54.440 wasn't the party platform. Well, that's, what's really interesting is it definitely feels as though

00:07:59.680 most of the legacy traditional media platforms have become operatives, unpaid operatives of either

00:08:08.320 the Democrat or Republican party. What I hear on Fox news definitely feels like the official Republican

00:08:14.180 party press wing. And I feel the same about many liberal where we know of collusion that happened

00:08:20.260 recently around this with the debate and ABC. Is that correct? Oh, no, no. Well, okay. So there

00:08:25.320 was the case of the debate and ABC who was doing the bait has been found. They provided Kamala the

00:08:30.160 questions first and were colluding to give her specific. Well, according to an anonymous sworn

00:08:36.400 affidavit from someone on that news team, yes. Okay. But allegedly at this point, I think we saw the

00:08:44.120 debate. I mean, I think what is, what is proven is that the person who signs the payroll checks of the

00:08:50.680 people, the journalists who led the debate is an open and active Kamala Harris supporter. So there's that.

00:08:58.000 Okay. So the, but I'm, I'm not talking about that. We were actually talking with the guy

00:09:03.220 who wrote the abortion section for project 2025, which doesn't say what Kamala's team said. It says

00:09:10.100 it's not for a national abortion monitoring. It's just saying that States have to report the number

00:09:14.740 of abortions that happen within the States. And this is a perfectly reasonable thing to do given 1.00

00:09:19.120 that like even Tim Waltz state reports the number of miscarriages. Like why wouldn't you report the

00:09:23.640 number of abortions? Like why do you hide babies that are terminated accidentally naturally, but 0.98

00:09:28.500 not babies that are terminated intentionally just for statistics reasons. And the only reason you

00:09:32.900 would do that is, is politically speaking, but anyway, and they've tried to twist this into all

00:09:37.220 sorts of crazy conspiracy theories. But anyway, he pointed out that he gave a press announcement when

00:09:44.320 project 25 came out and he said only one journalist came to it. And this is, they, they, they host.

00:09:49.400 Well, I don't, I can't remember how many people ran. Yes. This was months in advance. They hosted

00:09:55.380 a luncheon. They, to launch the event, to have also active Q and a, they invited every major

00:10:01.500 publication. They were very, very open and transparent about this and they wanted people

00:10:06.140 to talk about it and cover it. There was no secrecy around this. But then what ended up happening

00:10:11.340 is before any of the modern stories that were like exaggerating, it went live. He started

00:10:17.580 to all of a sudden from multiple news outlets simultaneously get inbound in reach about

00:10:22.400 it. Yeah. Basically they launched to crickets. Nobody responded, nobody engaged and no one

00:10:27.540 covered them. And then one week out of nowhere, he started receiving a ton of inbound requests

00:10:33.140 from pretty much every major news publication. And it was clear that at that point, probably

00:10:38.140 the democratic party decided that, okay, now in terms of our communication policy, we are going

00:10:44.500 to do everything we can to connect candidate Donald Trump to heritage foundations project

00:10:50.580 2025, even though there's no affiliation and Donald Trump hasn't talked about it, endorsed

00:10:55.460 it, or even said he's read it. And that is going to be an effective tactic. We need to make

00:10:59.960 sure that every operative we have brings it up at every opportunity, et cetera. And then suddenly

00:11:05.220 he hears about it from everyone. And well, I'd also, but I note here that when we're talking

00:11:10.720 about the new non-legacy media, not being a voice of the party, I mean this on the left

00:11:17.740 as well. It's not just on the right where this is true. Yes. There is more coordination

00:11:22.880 among left-wing influencers. However, you know, you look, you were, you're talking about

00:11:27.120 like how the young Turk guy, whatever his name is.

00:11:29.340 Sank Berger. Whatever. Yeah. C-E-N-K. He comes off as very like libertarian-ish in his

00:11:40.040 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like he, he, he's definitely, he, he doesn't, he's in favor of capitalism

00:11:47.000 and against corporatism. So he's not a Marxist, like most Democrats in terms of like Democrat

00:11:52.540 operatives these days. He, yeah, he definitely comes across as very libertarian. When I heard

00:11:57.340 him on an interview with Lex Friedman recently, I was like, wow, yeah, I largely agree with

00:12:02.660 a lot of the things you were saying, which I didn't expect because I'm so used to most

00:12:06.600 progressive media operatives being super Marxist or, or communist. And so it's, it's weird,

00:12:13.580 but so I hear you. And I really liked the fact that we'll say new media figures, podcasters,

00:12:19.640 YouTubers, bloggers, sub stackers, whatever we want to call them do have much more independent

00:12:26.340 thought and don't follow these party lines. What they don't have is some of the original

00:12:32.380 trappings of journalism, legacy journalism that I did really like were things like protecting

00:12:38.440 sources. You know, people have been jailed. Journalists have been jailed for refusing to

00:12:43.900 say who their sources were for there being very clear rules of what's on the record or off the record

00:12:50.860 for having a strong policy about publishing corrections when they're wrong. Bloggers don't

00:12:56.780 typically do things like that. We certainly don't go back and publish a retraction if we realized we

00:13:01.460 were wrong about something. Yeah. Well, and I'd also note, well, because YouTube doesn't let us

00:13:05.740 YouTube, the way that the YouTube upload system works is horrible and they need to change it.

00:13:10.900 They should allow you to post like edits to your videos. They don't really, you can cut little bits

00:13:15.920 out, but you can't add anything or correct anything, which would be a very important feature to have.

00:13:21.120 Yeah. Well, as, as we start replacing journalists, which are continue to actually, but what's

00:13:26.960 interesting though, is that many content creators don't even like being associated with journalists.

00:13:31.500 One, I was just listening to a podcast this morning where the podcaster said it at some dinner,

00:13:36.360 someone was saying, you know, well, as you're a journalist, I want to be clear, this is strictly off

00:13:40.540 the record. And they took great umbrage upon being called a journalist and having someone tell them

00:13:45.080 that they were off the record, not because he necessarily wanted to say what he was saying

00:13:49.480 or quote him, but it's interesting that they didn't want to be. I didn't sign up for this set

00:13:55.000 of rules. I didn't take the Hippocratic oath. You know, you can't tell me, you can't tell me I'm a

00:14:00.640 street, I'm a street knifer. I'm not a surgeon. Okay. I stab people in the street, sir. That is my

00:14:07.160 profession. That is my life. But this is something that like I had begun to intuit, not from looking at

00:14:12.780 the statistics, but from you, cause we get covered in mainstream media all the time these days,

00:14:18.500 you know, whether it's the Guardian or the Telegraph, we have a piece coming out on us in

00:14:22.160 the Wall Street Journal, the Philadelphia Inquirer just a couple of months ago, just all the time

00:14:27.200 we're in media and we've been able to gauge based on media, how much media ends up converting to actual

00:14:34.260 like online stuff. So I can say, how many new Twitter followers am I going to get from going on an

00:14:39.060 episode of side scrollers versus how many new Twitter followers am I going to get from like

00:14:43.000 a front page Wall Street Journal? Yeah. Or how many letters or emails or whatever will we receive?

00:14:47.880 Yeah. And generally my read is that a mainstream newspaper putting you on their front page is

00:14:56.720 probably the same as being in a YouTube video with maybe 60K watches, which is just not a lot.

00:15:06.320 And this is for us. And I would note here that it changes. If you have no virality, but you're on

00:15:11.820 the front page, because it's happened for the third top paper in Canada for us, right? That was

00:15:16.380 equivalent to a YouTube video was maybe 8K to 15K views. Well, and other, other exception is if

00:15:25.680 something goes viral online, then that changes everything. This is what I would note. So the

00:15:30.880 traditional media does not really have the capability to sway the mainstream discussion

00:15:35.700 in the way it did historically, because the true power it holds is on its stories that go viral.

00:15:44.600 And it doesn't have absolute control over what stories go viral. And that's where you and I have

00:15:50.180 been incredibly good at manipulating mainstream media. And people can watch our media baiting story

00:15:55.020 for specifically how these strategies work. We have a podcast on this topic. But the point being is

00:16:00.880 that we often attempt to bait media into creating a story that the progressive media will guffaw at and

00:16:08.040 think is insane and can go viral in progressive circles. But your average American is going to agree

00:16:13.460 with because that's the easiest way to. And I would note that the mainstream media pieces do go viral

00:16:19.960 more easily than any other type of media, because they are seen as having an air of

00:16:26.840 like credentials to them in terms of their virality, especially when people are like, can you believe?

00:16:33.700 Can you believe? But what's interesting is they're actually better at going viral around conservative

00:16:38.380 causes than around progressive causes, because they're not as likely that like when the media loves

00:16:44.760 the thing, it's very unlikely to go viral. Things only go viral when the media hates the thing.

00:16:49.440 And so the question is, is, is that virality good for progressive causes or bad for progressive

00:16:54.100 causes? The core question is, were they smart enough to write about the thing they were mad

00:16:59.320 about in a way that your average conservative and centrist would also be mad? Or are they writing

00:17:04.260 about that thing in a way where your average conservative and centrist would be like, wow, 0.99

00:17:07.900 you sound like a crazy person. And was somebody able to bait them into that? That's, that's really 0.59

00:17:13.100 where that is. Did you want to note anything here before I go further with stats?

00:17:17.640 No onward. My husband. Oh my goodness. Okay. Here we are. So the New York times,

00:17:24.020 just for some more stats on the New York times. Now I did the numbers for the 1,700 full-time

00:17:31.620 journalists employed by the New York times, but the New York times actually has 5,900 full-time

00:17:37.180 employees. Right. That means that for, we reach a mainstream audience as much, you know, doing

00:17:46.040 this part-time. So I'm pretending we're doing this full-time and I'm dividing it by two because

00:17:49.560 I'm saying there's two of us on the team. All right. You're being extremely generous

00:17:52.700 there. Cause I just show up to talk with you sometimes.

00:17:55.800 You, you reach people 25 times more than the average New York times employee.

00:18:00.500 Uh, seven times more. And keep in mind, we're still growing, right? Like, um, and, and we're

00:18:07.040 growing pretty quickly. Like we've doubled our like watch time probably in the last three

00:18:11.040 and a half months or so. So, and if you, in fact, to, to beat an NY times journalist, you

00:18:20.800 only need to get 469 watch hours a month. That's, can that be right? Yeah. We're going

00:18:31.700 to go into how it's right in a second, but yeah, it does work out. So next it has to do

00:18:36.600 with subscribers being so much more valuable and many of the New York times subscribers

00:18:40.520 not actually reading the New York times.

00:18:42.700 So they buy their New York times just kind of like how you used to buy a New Yorker subscription

00:18:48.080 to look sophisticated and they would very conspicuously leave it on your desk or something

00:18:53.620 as someone walked in. So they would see that of course you read the New Yorker, but you

00:18:57.940 would never actually read it.

00:18:59.660 Yeah. Um, okay. So let's keep going here for Fox news. They get 336.7 million visitors

00:19:06.420 to their news site a month. And that translates to around 8,417,000 K watch hours. Keep in mind

00:19:13.620 for the New York times. It was 9,642 K watch hours. Um, to give you an idea of just how few

00:19:21.980 people actually read the New York times. Remember that pernatalist book that we mentioned that

00:19:26.380 was being pushed by the New York times, specifically the author of the book did opinion pieces in

00:19:31.400 the New York times. They were written about in the New York times and the book was called

00:19:35.760 what are children for on ambivalence and choice. Well, if you go to Amazon right now, this book

00:19:42.900 has only six reviews. I remember thinking when we wrote our pernatalist book,

00:19:48.100 pragmatist guide to crafting religion, we were like, Oh my gosh, if only, uh, something like

00:19:52.040 the New York times would shill our book, if only we could get any mainstream media to care about

00:19:57.660 what we're doing. And I guess now we see that it wouldn't have really mattered. If you go to,

00:20:03.340 you know, down, like now I'm going to go through the ones that are more like,

00:20:06.520 like mainstream progressive stuff. So daily costs is only around a thousand and nine K watch hours

00:20:14.760 per month. If you go to the Huffington post. And so people don't know the Huffington post,

00:20:19.200 like a lot of people thought of it as real journalism, but it never really was. It was

00:20:22.680 more like a distributed blogging platform. Like we've written for the Huffington post,

00:20:27.180 the Huffington post just basically goes to individual bloggers and is like, Hey,

00:20:30.640 are you willing to write something random for us for basically free? And maybe we'll pay you.

00:20:36.060 And you're like, yeah, okay. Um, did we ever get, we never got paid for anything that we put there.

00:20:41.260 I think they might've paid us some token amount. I don't think so. But yeah. So, and people are

00:20:46.460 like, Oh look, the Huffington post is contradicting itself. And I'm like, that's like saying two people

00:20:50.160 on Facebook are contradicting themselves, but the Huffington post only has about 565 K watch hours per month

00:21:00.260 are just sort of a view hours per month, which, which translates to 22.6 million views. And then if you go down

00:21:06.840 to Kotaku, the, the, you know, because I got like a whole subreddit deemed to fighting it and everything

00:21:12.400 like that, right at 247,000 watch hours per month. So just not very big at all.

00:21:20.460 And significantly smaller than something like side scrollers, which is at 350,000 watch hours per month,

00:21:27.240 as we had mentioned earlier. Now down at the bottom here, we have the 9.5 million visitors to

00:21:32.100 salon, which is 237,000 per month. So salon is like a magazine that you've heard of, right? Simone,

00:21:41.520 like you know, salon. So salon is only three times bigger than our channel

00:21:45.880 in terms of how much time people spend on it.

00:21:49.860 Okay. Oh wow. And so now let's contrast these numbers with some like big online YouTube tubers.

00:21:58.480 Well, and I do want to say the salon numbers are sobering, but I don't really consider the Fox

00:22:02.960 numbers of interest because most people are watching this on legacy TV and there were old folks homes and

00:22:11.380 hospitals and whatnot. Yeah. So you can go to individuals like, so for our channel, just because

00:22:17.980 it's hard for me to get the actual watch time of other channels, I can look at our channel and know

00:22:22.120 that we're at 452,000 views per month. And then I can use that to try to calculate out how long people

00:22:30.060 are probably watching these other sources. Yeah. I had, I didn't do that for Asmogold, but he's at

00:22:34.380 34,000 per month, 34,404,000 per month. Now for side scrollers, it's 1.715 million per month,

00:22:48.960 which if they are getting around the same view time as us is at 302. Note, I actually reached out

00:22:55.740 to Stettering Craig to get his actual numbers. And he is significantly above what I expected,

00:23:02.700 360,000 watch hours per every 28 days. And all the stats here were calculated with the assumption

00:23:10.120 that it was around 300 for every 28 days. I guess people just watch the side scrollers much longer

00:23:15.960 per click than they watch our channel. But I guess that makes sense because he does some streams that

00:23:20.020 are like three or four hours long. 0.5,000 watch hours per month, which means the New York Times

00:23:26.420 is only 30 times larger in terms of cultural impact when contrasted with side scrollers in terms of

00:23:32.500 the number of people watching it. Well, and I'm trying to show Craig that we were on, Simone, together.

00:23:37.200 Yeah. No, side scrollers, they're great. Clownfish TV, by the way, 4.8 million watchers per month.

00:23:45.100 So this is another married couple that often talks about Disney and also pop culture and media in

00:23:50.460 general. And then you can get to something like Joe Rogan, which is 42 million viewers per month.

00:23:56.220 Now, he was a bit harder to suss out, but I'm sort of judging that he's probably around

00:23:59.740 7,405,000 watch time hours. Let's put it this way, 7,405K watch time. And so that would make him,

00:24:10.840 you know, almost as big as the entire New York Times. Well, let's look at the Nielsen ratings.

00:24:16.700 I just sent you on WhatsApp, the traditional top 10 page for Nielsen's data center. They do

00:24:25.780 basically TV watching and they even do streaming stats now in the US Indy. And I'm looking at their

00:24:32.180 traditional TV top 10. I'm looking at prime broadcast network TV, and it's giving me

00:24:38.760 a better understanding of more like, you know, what people are watching, watching.

00:24:45.020 There were 18 and a half million viewers of the summer Olympics.

00:24:53.780 Andy.

00:24:54.800 She's goobering. Can't get away from the camera. 1.00

00:24:57.440 I mean, I'm trying. So I feel like that's, that's more impressive, you know, on YouTube,

00:25:03.980 people really. To give you an idea of how not really that's impressive. That means that the

00:25:10.720 number of people who watched the Olympics was only 40 X more than the number of people who watched our

00:25:17.760 little bitty podcast in the last month. That's insane. This is a teeny nothing of a YouTube channel.

00:25:26.600 But what I'm looking at is online written publications.

00:25:31.720 Okay.

00:25:32.120 And I think one of the big problems that the right has is they go around to these small websites like,

00:25:39.100 you know, Mary Sue or like, you know, the Kotaku. And they think because these websites are quote

00:25:45.220 unquote real journalists, that they are in a fight with somebody who anyone is listening to,

00:25:51.640 other than the people who are listening to them because of the fight itself. And I think this

00:25:56.960 solves some of the questions we were asking, where is the woke consumer base? When we were asking this

00:26:02.620 question, like, where are the people who are supposed to buy Concord or Concord? They might just be

00:26:08.040 astronomically smaller than anyone is anticipating.

00:26:12.260 Yeah. Well, and that should have big implications for the 2024 presidential election, but we'll see.

00:26:18.200 I feel like that's going to be a better gauge for this than many other measures because

00:26:23.620 I think it shows that we need to focus if you want to keep media free on the medium platforms like

00:26:32.580 YouTube and influencing organizations like Google. Like I almost had a job at YouTube, by the way,

00:26:38.280 that was one of the departments that was thinking about hiring me at Google. And so anyone like,

00:26:42.760 I think that's how you make a difference at these organizations is get jobs at them and advocate on

00:26:47.360 the inside was in the organization, because I think that they are the last source of freedom that

00:26:53.140 we're going to have access to. And it's interesting as well, how I think well, this new format of media

00:27:03.460 works with conservative American institutions and ideas. I am, you know, you mentioned this about

00:27:10.960 early America, where you would go and you would see like a group of churches in a town and you were

00:27:15.020 like, it was the early social media influencers. They were all right next to each other. And they

00:27:18.400 were all like various Protestant churches. And you would go to the one who had the best influencer,

00:27:22.500 the one who you liked to listen to the most, or you've had the, you know, the best takes.

00:27:26.740 Right.

00:27:27.080 And that's sort of where we are right now is individuals are choosing who they want to listen

00:27:33.840 to. And I think one of the heartening things is that the, the independent people went super

00:27:40.480 partisan later than the institutions, that they have been more resistant to partisanism than the

00:27:48.260 institutions where, you know, I take somebody like destiny. He's like a big, you know, leftist,

00:27:53.120 he'll still like debate righties, right? Like you, you're not going to see that really within the

00:27:58.720 mainstream news organizations anymore. And I think that that's really fascinating as well.

00:28:03.500 And it also shows the way that people relate to their sources of information is changing and that

00:28:09.840 I believe that there is an expectation of some form of now, when I say people, I think often frame

00:28:18.240 parasocial relationships incorrectly. They frame it as being like a friendship or something like that.

00:28:24.160 When instead, I think a better way to think about it is we are characters within your mind's high

00:28:29.920 school and they hate us or think certain things about us, but we are part of the, the, the brain

00:28:38.520 space that you have used to build your, your high school.

00:28:41.920 Four years, you think for sure. That's all you've got to endure. All the total dicks, all the stuck-up

00:28:50.240 chicks, am I sure? And then when you graduate, you take a look around and you say, hey, wait, 0.99

00:28:57.780 this is the same as where I just came from. Nothing changes, but the faces, the names and the trends.

00:29:06.380 High school never ends.

00:29:08.380 And, you know, we might be in one group of kids and then like contrapoints might be in another group of kids.

00:29:15.280 And you modify what you're hearing from each of us within those individual biases.

00:29:20.380 And yeah, that it does feel that way. Like the online space feels very much like a guy to play here, high school never ends.

00:29:28.980 But it feels a bit like you're playing out these roles of the characters within a high school.

00:29:34.980 And that's what the parasocial relationship means. And where it becomes dangerous is only the, you know, delusional individual who thinks that he's

00:29:43.580 dating the cheerleader when the cheerleader doesn't know who he is. People act as if that's a unique thing to parasocial relationships.

00:29:50.580 And it's like, no, it's not. That's a normal thing of our mind's high school is that sometimes that's in high school and

00:29:55.580 sometimes that's a group of YouTubers.

00:29:58.180 Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. That's a better way of putting it. And you can be just as liable to have a one way or unhealthy relationship in high school as you would in the digital realm. So totally get it. Yes.

00:30:14.180 Yeah. Well, hold on. Let me see. Do I have any other stats here? Cause I have some other fun stats.

00:30:20.180 Oh yeah. Here's some fun ones. As of 2022, only about 12% of us adults use newspapers as daily sources of news. In 2020, a survey found that 16% of Americans got their news from physical newspapers, among other sources. I do not believe either of those stats at all. I think those are like an American thinking, like, have I seen a newspaper recently? Yes.

00:30:41.300 Well, I think you're forgetting how many much older people there are in the world.

00:30:46.420 They're not, they're not going to the news. I mean, maybe they're picking up physical newspapers.

00:30:50.420 Um, the wall street journal had the highest circulation of all us newspapers in 2020.

00:30:55.420 That's going to be covering us soon with like a documentary. So that'll be fun. Only 3% of us adults cite print newspapers as their primary information source.

00:31:03.420 Like, of course, who trusts newspapers anymore? Like they're so dishonest. And this is the thing you want to get how dishonest newspapers are if you've always been like, well, people say, if you know anything about a news source, and then you read a newspaper.

00:31:15.420 And then you read a newspaper, you realize how frequently they lie. And you might think, well, I don't know anything about any particular news source.

00:31:22.420 Well, if you're watching the podcast, you probably know us. Just read any article that's like ever been written about us. And you'll be like, wow, these are wildly off.

00:31:32.420 And in every respect, it's clearly attempting to manipulate me. And this is something that you'll feel really quickly in the news because you get pissed pretty quickly if you do.

00:31:41.420 And then the number of newspaper newsroom employees has dropped 50% since 2008.

00:31:48.420 I'm surprised not more. So the question of how are they making...

00:31:50.420 Well, since 2008, Malcolm, that was already like, this has been a long decline.

00:31:56.420 It's been a long decline.

00:31:58.420 Yeah, so... Oh, interesting.

00:32:01.420 So I was looking at another study, and while people spend a minute and 30 seconds on average when they click through to a news link, they're only spending 15 seconds per page, or at least according to one study.

00:32:12.420 So the numbers might even be worse than this.

00:32:15.420 Wow. Brutal.

00:32:18.420 For short-form articles, it's less than 60 seconds that people spend.

00:32:22.420 For long-form articles, it's an average of 148 seconds.

00:32:28.420 I'm sure that's similar with the essays and videos of modern content creators as well.

00:32:37.420 Yeah.

00:32:38.420 People for content spans are short.

00:32:40.420 Our videos typically have like about a 17-minute average watch time.

00:32:43.420 Watch time?

00:32:44.420 But actually, that's pretty long, because like if you refresh a page, that counts as restarting the watch time.

00:32:48.420 Or if you leave and then come back to it, that restarts the watch time.

00:32:51.420 Yeah.

00:32:52.420 Uh-oh, Simone. Do you love our daughter?

00:32:55.420 No. Never. No.

00:32:57.420 All right. Well, make sure she doesn't grow up. 1.00

00:32:59.420 Remember, the media says that we actually hate children.

00:33:02.420 We do.

00:33:04.420 It's the Guardian case. 0.99

00:33:05.420 I hate children. I have a path... 0.58

00:33:06.420 For prenatalists, we seem to just...

00:33:09.420 Well, I mean, the thing that I make clear to them that is always so perplexing to someone,

00:33:13.420 in the urban monoculture is they're like, well, do you like love being around your kids and spending time with your kids?

00:33:19.420 And I'm like, well, that's not why you have kids. You don't have them.

00:33:22.420 You know, when Seth Rogen comes out and he's like, well, I'm not having kids because it doesn't seem like a lot of fun.

00:33:27.420 I still don't want kids. Yeah.

00:33:29.420 It doesn't seem that fun.

00:33:31.420 It's like, well, yeah. I mean, obviously, you're not having kids for how they make you feel about yourself.

00:33:37.420 You're having kids so that they get to exist.

00:33:39.420 You're having kids for what they're going to feel about themselves. 0.52

00:33:41.420 You're doing it for them, not for you.

00:33:43.420 For somebody else?

00:33:47.420 No, no, no, no, no. Sorry. I must have misunderstood what you were saying.

00:33:52.420 What you mean is you get happy when you see them happy and that's why you have them.

00:33:58.420 It's like, no, my emotions don't matter at all.

00:34:04.420 I just am doing it for somebody else.

00:34:07.420 Oh, my gosh.

00:34:09.420 Well, Lou, do you have any thoughts here?

00:34:14.420 When I think about the future of news and media consumption, I just feel so confused as to how reality will be understood in the future.

00:34:26.420 Because right now, at least in our childhood, we grew up in a society where there was a broadly shared understanding of reality and what was happening in the world.

00:34:37.420 Even if we did not have an accurate perception of what was going on, we were all kind of on the same page.

00:34:43.420 You know, this thing was happening.

00:34:44.420 This thing mattered.

00:34:45.420 And it was really the media that largely determined what was going to be a big deal.

00:34:49.420 You know, we're going to choose this international conflict as the thing du jour and this domestic thing.

00:34:55.420 And that's kind of how news cycles worked.

00:34:58.420 And now we live in this era where there isn't really any critical mass news media outlet that everyone reads that everyone's on the same page with.

00:35:10.420 Which means that, like, aside from there being trends that people talk about online, and there definitely are trends like that, like, let's talk about trad wives, or let's talk about why all men are thinking about Rome, right?

00:35:25.420 So they're short little, but they're not very substantive, right?

00:35:29.420 You know what's funny?

00:35:31.420 Yes.

00:35:32.420 I haven't thought about this before, but the people who actually are the people who everyone is listening to, right, to an extent, maybe not directly, but through their influence, those are the people who truly have the most influence online.

00:35:46.420 And so it's who can create in this new ecosystem, those trends, the new thing everyone is talking about.

00:35:54.420 Right, because they often are sparked by a viral piece.

00:35:57.420 For example, a lot of people talking about trad wives.

00:35:59.420 Well, that was actually sparked by traditional media when a story came out on Hannah from Ballerina Farms, right?

00:36:07.420 Yeah, I'd say some traditional media can do this.

00:36:09.420 An interesting person who I think specializes in doing this is Ayla, who we've had on the show before. 0.90

00:36:14.420 She always is creating the main character of Twitter pretty frequently.

00:36:20.420 Yeah, like her birthday gangbang story, amazing.

00:36:23.420 That was an incredible story.

00:36:24.420 I was like, this is the wildest thing I've ever read.

00:36:27.420 The birthday party that's shot through the internet.

00:36:30.420 The time when it turned out that she slept with more people a year than she had showers. 0.58

00:36:35.420 No, she had sex more times than she showered per year. 0.88

00:36:38.420 And everyone was like, oh my god! 0.96

00:36:41.420 No, she's very good at that. 0.99

00:36:43.420 But my larger point is that, aside from these non-substantive, ephemeral, everyone's talking about this things, we won't have a shared reality anymore.

00:36:55.420 And people are going to be working from very different starting points and priors, which is going to make our country even harder to live in.

00:37:05.420 One of the reasons why I love Japan so much is that, at least when I traveled there as a teen a lot, it felt so cohesive.

00:37:12.420 And people would say things like, well, we Japanese do this and we Japanese do that.

00:37:15.420 And everyone sort of knows what to do.

00:37:17.420 If, you know, an umbrella is left on a train, well, someone will take it to this place and you'll recover, like it won't be lost.

00:37:23.420 And there was just all these things where everyone's on the same page.

00:37:26.420 And that's because, obviously, they shared one culture.

00:37:30.420 But, you know, there's also, like, people sort of watched and consumed the same stuff as well.

00:37:35.420 Now, not only do we have very different cultures in the United States, no one is, like, there's no simple source of truth or a couple of news channels that everyone's watching that allows us to at least have one shared reality.

00:37:49.420 I push back.

00:37:50.420 I say that there is a shared memeplex.

00:37:52.420 But it's not substantive.

00:37:54.420 Again, it's like Bratz Summer.

00:37:56.420 That's not substantive.

00:37:57.420 No.

00:37:58.420 Bratz Summer didn't really pierce through.

00:37:59.420 So an example of something that I'd say that pierced through, like a song that everyone was supposed to watch was, oh, God, what was the country guy?

00:38:07.420 Oh, Richmond, North of Richmond.

00:38:09.420 Yeah.

00:38:10.420 Yeah.

00:38:11.420 And that was like, everybody just had, it was like your homework assignment for the week.

00:38:14.420 Everybody has to watch this if you want to be part of any office room conversation, if you want.

00:38:19.420 And, you know, the first time this happened was Gundam style.

00:38:22.420 This is not something that really happened before Gundam style.

00:38:24.420 Not substantive.

00:38:26.420 I would say Richmond, North of Richmond, it was very substantive.

00:38:30.420 You're going to make an argument for Gundam style.

00:38:33.420 But what's also been interesting is as we have moved to this new form of memeplex culture, a group that's really sort of progressively had less and less influence in American culture, it is very interesting to me, is American black culture.

00:38:49.420 When I was growing up, American black culture was maybe 30 to 40% of all forwards facing American culture from the, you know, whether it's derivative raps and rock and, you know, all that, right.

00:39:04.420 You know, and now you have black Twitter, right, which definitely has some degree of influence, but like viral memeplex level viral phenomenon don't come out of it at the rate of even coming out of something like 4chan.

00:39:18.420 Huh.

00:39:19.420 Yeah.

00:39:20.420 I watch a lot of YouTube videos by black cultural commentators, both male and female, but they're not generating the culture that I see them commenting on. 0.77

00:39:30.420 What is really influential is drag culture, both from the lexicon standpoint, but also like women wear drag makeup now.

00:39:40.420 It's so weird to me.

00:39:42.420 I just, it's hard for me to like go anywhere and not be like, why are you in drag? 1.00

00:39:46.420 Like this is drag and trans. 0.96

00:39:48.420 So trans culture definitely hits the memeplex pretty regularly. 0.92

00:39:52.420 I guess only in the form of pronouns to me.

00:39:54.420 I'm not really seeing it anywhere else for me.

00:39:55.420 Well, no, no, no, no.

00:39:56.420 What I'm talking about is, is, is people within their culture end up hitting the memeplex.

00:40:03.420 So contra points used to hit the memeplex all the time, for example.

00:40:07.420 Um, who's that philosophy tuber?

00:40:09.420 Who's a trans woman.

00:40:11.420 I think she just calls herself philosophy to philosophy to, you know, like trans people make up almost none of the population.

00:40:18.420 And yet they probably make up about 3% or 4% of the viral phenomenal moments.

00:40:25.420 Yeah.

00:40:26.420 Contra points needs to publish more.

00:40:27.420 I want more.

00:40:28.420 They definitely make up a more of them than black individuals do, which is surprising. 0.99

00:40:33.420 What is up with that? 0.88

00:40:35.420 I, trans is the new black. 0.81

00:40:39.420 No.

00:40:40.420 I called it here on Basecamp.

00:40:41.420 Trans is the new black. 1.00

00:40:42.420 They, they, or else, I mean, it, it just could, it could be maybe that black culture is becoming insulated to the point where mainstream culture, like at least we aren't hearing it because it's, it's just staying within the fold. 0.80

00:40:54.420 You know, like that's, that's one guess I have.

00:40:57.420 Well, yeah.

00:40:58.420 Like the past though, here's the thing is like the past two TV series that I've gotten addicted to have, well, at least, yeah, mostly majority black cast.

00:41:08.420 So like, at least in mainstream TV, it seems to be doing fine.

00:41:13.420 Well, no, and I think that's what elevated it.

00:41:15.420 I think it was mainstream Hollywood.

00:41:17.420 You could call it like the media elite who used to decide the musicians and the, and the actors that you were going to see had been artificially elevating it.

00:41:27.420 Inflating it.

00:41:28.420 Oh, and that's why I'm still seeing like plenty of black representation and traditional stuff, but you don't see it on YouTube or, or coming out of, and it's not that it's not there.

00:41:36.420 Like black Twitter is a thing. 0.85

00:41:38.420 It just doesn't leak in the same way that black culture used to leak. 1.00

00:41:42.420 I don't go to a campus today, like an American high school and see white kids trying to emulate black Twitter. 0.83

00:41:50.420 Well, you're right.

00:41:51.420 And that was so, yeah, that was a really like the, the people that you wanted to emulate and the memes you wanted to talk about.

00:41:57.420 Was yeah.

00:41:58.420 Yeah.

00:41:59.420 I did the sagging pants.

00:42:01.420 I did.

00:42:02.420 What happened?

00:42:03.420 That's you're right.

00:42:04.420 That's so weird.

00:42:05.420 Well, and also song references.

00:42:07.420 That's interesting.

00:42:08.420 Okay.

00:42:09.420 What happened?

00:42:10.420 I don't, I don't know what happened.

00:42:12.420 I I'm actually kind of like, maybe we need to dig on this harder.

00:42:16.420 Cause this is an interesting question to me.

00:42:19.420 What?

00:42:20.420 And I, and again, I don't think it's that black culture has shrunk in size or distinctiveness.

00:42:24.420 I think it's that it has shrunk in permeability.

00:42:27.420 Oh, well, well, but okay.

00:42:30.420 Maybe, maybe.

00:42:31.420 Oh, here's an idea of what could have destroyed it.

00:42:33.420 What?

00:42:34.420 The concept of.

00:42:36.420 Appropriation.

00:42:37.420 Appropriation.

00:42:38.420 That's, I was just thinking that when I was also thinking about how like Robin D'Angelo talks about having affinity groups.

00:42:43.420 And kind of how like white people shouldn't encroach into black spaces because I don't know my white woman tears will mess it up or something like I won't get it and I'll make it awkward and I'll ruin it.

00:42:57.420 And so maybe, yeah, like white people are less allowed to engage with black culture now than they were before because weirdly a lot of the super progressive extra woke messages have been around like, let's bring back apartheid without saying it.

00:43:13.420 But they're, they, that's where the functionally they're going for, which is weird.

00:43:18.420 Segregation. 0.89

00:43:19.420 Yeah.

00:43:20.420 When me and Brad first met, I didn't think we'd get along, but turns out we kind of agree on everything.

00:43:24.420 We both think minorities are a united group who think the same and act the same.

00:43:27.420 And both the same.

00:43:28.420 You don't want to lose your black card.

00:43:29.420 Sorry, I don't know.

00:43:30.420 I just think we should roll back discrimination law so we can hire based on race again.

00:43:33.420 Jinx! 0.96

00:43:34.420 Now you owe me a coke.

00:43:35.420 Hey, tell them what you told me yesterday. 0.84

00:43:36.420 White actors should only do voices for white cartoon characters. 0.98

00:43:39.420 Been saying that for years.

00:43:40.420 Stick to your own.

00:43:41.420 Us white people, we have so much privilege.

00:43:43.420 I agree.

00:43:44.420 It is a privilege to be white. 0.85

00:43:45.420 Ask him about interracial dating. 0.85

00:43:46.420 All I said is that black men who date white women have internalized racism and white men that date ethnic women are fetishizing them.

00:43:52.420 Guys against interracial dating now. 0.96

00:43:53.420 Like, am I being pranked?

00:43:54.420 Did Boomer put you up to this?

00:43:56.420 Ugh, you know that taco place is white owned? 1.00

00:43:58.420 White people should be making white foods like crap macaroni and cheese, no seasoning, not even salt. 1.00

00:44:02.420 It's like he's a mind reader. 1.00

00:44:03.420 I mean, I've been pushing for segregation forever and my man does what? 1.00

00:44:06.420 You know all white people are racist. 0.99

00:44:08.420 I'm listening. 1.00

00:44:09.420 They separated the cultures. 0.99

00:44:11.420 It definitely hasn't done any favors.

00:44:13.420 Well, maybe it has done favors.

00:44:14.420 Maybe black people can be like, no, black culture is thriving now. 1.00

00:44:17.420 Yeah, maybe they're like, you know what? 0.67

00:44:18.420 This is better. 0.91

00:44:19.420 Like, when white people kept messing it up, like, you can't pull it off. 0.98

00:44:22.420 I actually think the opposite for what I see is black culture right now is in, like, death throes. 1.00

00:44:28.420 For people who don't know, blacks out of all ethnic groups in the United States have the lowest fertility rate of an American ethnic group after you get above the 30% income.

00:44:38.420 So in other words, you're saying that the isolation is not apparently having a positive effect.

00:44:44.420 It's not leading to vitalism.

00:44:45.420 It's not leading to a desire to replicate the cultures through children and through living wholesome lives.

00:44:51.420 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:44:52.420 That's interesting.

00:44:54.420 Yeah.

00:44:55.420 But it's, yeah.

00:44:57.420 It's fascinating.

00:44:58.420 Well, but I also, maybe that's because, and gosh, we're like, this is turning into a totally separate episode.

00:45:04.420 But one of the things that I found really notable is in the shows that I watch that do have at least, like, majority or almost wholly, like, majority black casts or something, you know, of, like, lead characters.

00:45:19.420 I do this thing where I look up outfits when I watch shows because there are all these websites that, like, list the actual garments and how much they cost so that you can buy them.

00:45:27.420 And the clothing that shows up on the people in these shows that have more black casts is consistently, by orders of magnitude, more expensive than the clothing that shows up on, quote unquote, billionaires and shows like Succession.

00:45:45.420 So, like, Succession, like, outfit ranges from, like, you know, one garment will be maybe $300 to $500 on average.

00:45:55.420 Some exceptions, you know, that maybe you're in the thousand range.

00:45:58.420 Very consistently on, like, a show like The Equalizer, which has a pretty black cast, Queen Latifah and her other, you know, compatriots of the show are wearing outfits that are, like, one garment, $2,000.

00:46:11.420 Another garment, $3,200.

00:46:14.420 It is insane.

00:46:15.420 And so maybe this is, like, a very materialistic culture where, like, the culture that is being siloed off is very focused on inquisitiveness or, like, having the very, very best products.

00:46:28.420 And in a culture like that, you definitely can't have a lot of kids.

00:46:31.420 You know what I mean?

00:46:32.420 Well, in most other American cultural groups, at least at the elite level, there is some level of shaming around overindulgence.

00:46:39.420 And it doesn't, yeah, it's more like when you look at primarily black cast shows, fashion is insane and the wealth is insane. 0.98

00:46:47.420 It's like talking about Native American black slave descendant culture in the United States, which is pretty different.

00:46:54.420 Yeah, we're not talking about, like, African immigrant culture.

00:46:57.420 African immigrant culture, I don't think they overconsume in the same way.

00:46:59.420 Yeah, it is very, it's very different.

00:47:02.420 Yeah, well, or I think the other problem is that, like, a lot of the African immigrant culture we see here is old money. 1.00

00:47:09.420 Like, it's actually old money.

00:47:10.420 And old money tends to be a lot more careful with spending.

00:47:13.420 And there's less conspicuous consumption.

00:47:15.420 Whereas new money wealth is all about conspicuous consumption. 0.89

00:47:18.420 And definitely, like, the black shows that I watch that have, like, bigger black casts. 0.54

00:47:24.420 Yeah, man, like, there's just tons of wealth.

00:47:27.420 The clothes are off the chain, amazing, but also insanely expensive.

00:47:31.420 And, yeah, like, more than succession.

00:47:34.420 Like, succession, I thought, was going to be, like, the ultimate show for me in terms of, like, amazing outfits and settings.

00:47:39.420 And that does not hold a candle.

00:47:40.420 I mean, we're actually going to talk about why black fertility rates are so low among the wealthy blacks, just because we're already in this territory, right? 0.93

00:47:47.420 The reason I believe is in Romania, when they tried to ban abortions, well, it led to a sharp spike in fertility rates.

00:47:57.420 They quickly fell because having lots of kids became associated with low class decisions.

00:48:02.420 In the American black community, what reaches the public, there are some, like, black super breeders. 1.00

00:48:09.420 You know, like, when I say super breeders, I don't mean this in, like, a negative context.

00:48:12.420 We get called a super reader.

00:48:13.420 Simone and I are called super breeders.

00:48:15.420 I like to say when people go, hey, what are you doing?

00:48:17.420 I go, I'm super breeding.

00:48:18.420 This is because Yahoo called us, I think, super breeders.

00:48:21.420 I think it was Yahoo News.

00:48:23.420 Leave it to them.

00:48:24.420 But what I mean is, is among the people who are known as pernatal is just having lots of kids.

00:48:28.420 There's a number of black celebrities that fall into this category.

00:48:31.420 Yeah.

00:48:32.420 Oh, most of them.

00:48:33.420 It's with like five or six different women in situations where it was either like ones like, well, it's an accident or like, you know, but I love all my kids and another stuff like this. 1.00

00:48:44.420 So what's the first thing that comes to mind when you think of an NBA player with a lot of kids?

00:48:49.420 Well, probably someone like Dwight Howard or Sean Kemp.

00:48:53.420 And yeah, you're right.

00:48:54.420 Kemp reportedly has seven children with six different women, while Howard has somewhere between five to eight kids, according to different accounts.

00:49:02.420 We're not sure.

00:49:03.420 But these two guys can't even compare to this player who has 14 children with nine different women.

00:49:09.420 And his name is Calvin Murphy.

00:49:11.420 And it creates this perception that if you are wealthy, the only reason you would have a lot of kids is if you couldn't control yourself.

00:49:19.420 I don't know.

00:49:20.420 Like when I think of all the black influencers I know who have a lot of kids, it comes from a more Catholic or religious standpoint and from a position of wealth. 0.86

00:49:28.420 But I guess, I mean, I get there could also be just baggage of historically, those who had a lot of kids, you know, we're having them as teens, we're having them in suboptimal situations that were associated with lower class and lower levels of education.

00:49:41.420 And I think that's the bigger issue.

00:49:42.420 Like the girl who was next to me in the hospital, who was like having kid number three, and she was in her teens.

00:49:48.420 And she was like, why does this keep happening?

00:49:50.420 And like, it was just clear that she was very low resourced.

00:49:53.420 I think maybe that's the baggage people want to avoid when looking good.

00:49:58.420 And then the wealthy.

00:49:59.420 Why was this happening?

00:50:00.420 She literally didn't understand how she was getting pregnant. 0.65

00:50:02.420 Well, we don't know why she was saying that exactly.

00:50:04.420 I mean, she was in the middle of like going into labor next to me in the triage room, right?

00:50:09.420 But like she definitely, like this was, this was her second, no, this was her third or fourth child.

00:50:15.420 And she was super not happy about having this baby.

00:50:20.420 And she was like, man, why is this happening?

00:50:24.420 I don't know.

00:50:25.420 Anyway, love you to death, Simone.

00:50:27.420 This episode got way too spicy there at the end.

00:50:29.420 I don't even, I don't even know how we got there from talking about newspapers and how many people are reading them.

00:50:39.420 Yeah.

00:50:41.420 Well, we'll see.

00:50:43.420 We'll see if we can get past the YouTube gods in this one. 0.89

00:50:46.420 White people talking about people of another race. 0.50

00:50:50.420 How's that going to go?

00:50:51.420 Oh, no, no, no.

00:50:52.420 Yeah.

00:50:53.420 We, we gotta, we gotta be the right, you know, demographics as they say.

00:50:58.420 Yeah.

00:50:59.420 But again, like apartheid, like we, I think there's this very interesting thing.

00:51:04.420 If you have to stay in your own lane, you cannot appropriate, talk about, mix with, it's so weird.

00:51:09.420 It's so creepy.

00:51:10.420 It's so creepy. 1.00

00:51:11.420 White people need to stop wearing dreadlocks and they need to stop appropriating black people. 1.00

00:51:15.420 Appropriating black people's music. 0.99

00:51:16.420 Shaved heads and country music, the way God intended.

00:51:18.420 Whatever.

00:51:19.420 All right.

00:51:20.420 Have a good one.

00:51:21.420 Ciao, ciao.

00:51:22.420 Bye-bye.

00:51:23.420 Okay.

00:51:24.420 You hang out.

00:51:25.420 By the way, she means by that is the left is basically saying separate, but equal, you know, only within your race only.

00:51:29.420 Well, no, not, not even equal separate, but affirmative action.

00:51:33.420 Yeah.

00:51:34.420 And everyone has their special class based on historical discrimination with lots of exceptions and caveats.

00:51:38.420 Because, you know, if you're Japanese, no one cares about you. 1.00

00:51:42.420 If you're Jewish.

00:51:43.420 If you're Jewish. 1.00

00:51:44.420 F off, man. 1.00

00:51:45.420 I guess the only thing we really disagree about is I think white people are the root of all evil. 1.00

00:51:49.420 But what did I tell you though? 0.99

00:51:50.420 If we can narrow that down to a certain group of tiny haunted white people, I think we can come to an understanding. 1.00

00:51:55.420 Technically, I don't consider Jewish people white. 0.93

00:51:57.420 Neither do I.

00:51:58.420 You got it.

00:52:00.420 We're over that.

00:52:01.420 We did the reparations.

00:52:03.420 The reparations were paid.

00:52:04.420 Now it's over.

00:52:05.420 Okay.

00:52:06.420 We paid.

00:52:07.420 All right.

00:52:08.420 Love you.

00:52:09.420 Bye.

00:52:10.420 All right.

00:52:11.420 I already have the link.

00:52:12.420 I know you hate it.

00:52:13.420 And you said it's not worth watching.

00:52:16.420 But when I was thinking about the title for this video, I was thinking about the movie Amelie, that French film by Jean-Pierre Jeunet.

00:52:26.420 Oh, it's well, you've seen the beginning of it.

00:52:29.420 And the main character, Amelie, like when they describe the things that she likes to do.

00:52:34.420 One thing she likes to just wonder is, you know, how many people are doing a thing simultaneously?

00:52:39.420 Like how many people are having an orgasm this second?

00:52:42.420 And it cuts to this scene of just everyone who's having an orgasm in that second in a humorous fashion.

00:52:48.420 And I was just thinking, how many people are watching legacy news right now?

00:52:53.420 And I just pictured this intersplicing scene of just an endless, endless shot of doctor's offices, hospitals, and homes of the very old and infirm.

00:53:08.420 That's like it.

00:53:11.420 That's the only people watching the news.

00:53:13.420 And there are a lot, but their days are numbered.

00:53:17.420 And I don't think that that bodes really well for the news going forward.

00:53:21.420 Yeah, the other thing I want to talk to you about before we go into the episode episode.

00:53:27.420 Yeah.

00:53:28.420 Because people like the in segments and stuff where we talk about off topic, small bites.

00:53:32.420 I keep forgetting that you put these in because I don't always watch the videos and then I forget what I'm saying to you because I'm just talking to you for the first time since our morning chat.

00:53:43.420 And I'm so excited to say things to you and then I forget you freaking put them in.

00:53:47.420 I edit them if you're being spicy or something.

00:53:50.420 Okay, good.

00:53:51.420 Sometimes.

00:53:52.420 Thank you.

00:53:53.420 Oh, okay.

00:53:54.420 In one of the tracks I included that part where you were telling me how much you love me when I was off camera.

00:53:58.420 Oh, that's very sweet.

00:54:02.420 But actually, I had a couple instances today where I've realized one just how much people in our society make like massive mistakes because they don't understand that there are multiple white cultural groups.

00:54:17.420 And we all look the same.

00:54:19.420 Here's a great example of that in one of our episodes where we had a thought crime recently and we were talking about nature.

00:54:25.420 You know under it obviously Google like tells us never do an episode like that again or your channels going down.

00:54:30.420 But also I mean that's like basically the vibe I got from the instant ad restricted we're not explaining why and then the big UN warning underneath it.

00:54:41.420 But you know people in the comments were like, oh, it got a UN warning.

00:54:44.420 That means it must be true.

00:54:46.420 And it shows that in anyone should have been able to expect this for about half of Americans.

00:54:53.420 The only cultural groups that are going to relate to a global authority attempting to decide what's true and what's not true are the hierarchically oriented cultural groups predominantly like Catholics and other sort of high church cultural groups.

00:55:10.420 But your normal Americans are going to see this and immediately think the exact opposite of what the globally appointed bureaucracy, the global bureaucracy of elites is telling them must be true.

00:55:26.420 And that they wouldn't immediately recognize that that they wouldn't immediately recognize that this is highly counterproductive to their aims and will probably lead more of the types of people who are already open to doubting these ideas to doubt them even more aggressively.

00:55:42.420 It looks a little suspicious.

00:55:44.420 Yeah, it doesn't doesn't do very well for the conspiracy theory.

00:55:47.420 Well, to you, but then the other one I was having a conversation with a Mormon and we were talking about, you know, he was like he didn't understand why the backcountry people, the greater Appalachian cultural region slash backcountry people, depending on which book you're referencing, would kill Mormons so frequently.

00:56:04.420 And, you know, whenever they tried to like settle in their territory and I was like, well, it's very obvious why they did that.

00:56:10.420 And he and he it's almost like he didn't believe that they would genuinely see them as like Stepford wives, like pod people like the the that and the way that Mormons, you know, like dress up and generally look nice could come as a challenge, like looking down on these people.

00:56:30.420 And they're already a very violent population, as we've talked about in some of what was the episode where we go over like just how violent they are?

00:56:38.420 Yeah, I think it was the police episode where we're talking about crime rates in the United States, but I found that very interesting that he struggled to contextualize the level of like he thought that they thought of Mormons as just another Christian denomination.

00:56:54.260 And I was like, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.

00:56:58.720 Like you guys are not like different in the way like Jehovah's Witnesses are different or something like that.

00:57:03.520 It's a new theology.

00:57:05.480 And to them, it seems like a derived satanic theology that that is like what I put it, you know, how like Mormonism borrows a bunch of stuff from the Freemasons and they already think the Freemasons are evil.

00:57:17.760 Right, they're like past the Freemasons in that direction, in their conspiracy theories.

00:57:23.800 And that's where the animosity comes from.

00:57:25.740 And I'm not saying I endorse the animosity.

00:57:27.660 I think it's misplaced and it's just two cultures that have different ways of relating to things and don't really understand each other. 1.00

00:57:33.420 And we'll do a different episode on this.

00:57:34.900 But another thing is that this culture typically uses vulgarity as a sign of authenticity.

00:57:39.660 And I think that's why Mitt Romney did so bad at capturing them and Donald Trump did so good at capturing them.

00:57:44.700 But anyway, we will get into the episode and I'm excited to be talking about this.

00:57:49.040 All right, let's do it.

Based Camp - September 23, 2024

The Incredible Decline of Traditional Media： Our YouTube Channel is Worth 14 NY Times Journalists？？？

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