Based Camp - The Indian Extinction Event

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking about

00:00:03.280 the disappearance of Indians, the Indian ethnic group of India. I will start with an interesting

00:00:12.520 article here. Over 5,000 government schools in India sit empty with zero students, 70% in the

00:00:20.060 states of Tangala and West Bengal. Is this another Somali fraud problem or what? This is from the 1.00

00:00:26.180 natalism subreddit. No, so these are in India. Their schools are sitting empty because of low

00:00:32.580 birth rates. Not fraud. Okay. No, not fraud. Just abandoned. Wow. Like that very sad documentary

00:00:38.840 about Korean schools where they had one student left and they were keeping the school open and

00:00:43.800 they were like, it was really creepy because they would like do tours of the school. You know how

00:00:47.680 Koreans are like very obsessed. But there was this one kid sweeping up a classroom that only this one 0.95

00:00:52.880 could occupy? The teachers, the staff were like, they kept everything spotless for one kid,

00:00:58.460 like all of the classrooms and everything. It's like when Albert, King Concert Albert died and

00:01:04.380 Queen Victoria like insisted on having his breakfast made each morning and all these things set out for

00:01:09.400 him, like his clothes laid out. Yeah, no, it's really weird. It's a grieving thing. This is not a

00:01:15.240 function thing. It's a grieving thing. There's a Japanese town that ended up replacing all the kids 1.00

00:01:20.380 with straw dummies. No, just to make the, what, like one kid in the town feel less lonely and

00:01:26.060 totally not creeped out. No, no, there's straw dummies playing on the swings and on the slide. 1.00

00:01:30.820 What if it was just a great troll though? What if they actually really hated kids and they're like, 0.82

00:01:34.380 I have a great idea for you. I will terrify this kid with some Miyazaki

00:01:37.600 stuff right here. You know, this kid's going to walk around and think that their entire generation is

00:01:44.000 turned into straw. Oh my gosh. So again, amazing troll. Like, you know,

00:01:49.800 you're the grocery store owner. Kid starts acting up. Listen, kid, you want to know what

00:01:54.180 happened to the last kid who messed around in my grocery store? Straw man. It literally to me

00:01:59.920 feels like a Stephen King book or something. You're right. You move to this town. Everyone else is,

00:02:04.240 all the other children are straw and all the adults act like it's totally normal.

00:02:08.120 Yeah. That's just many. What are you talking about? I would, we need to do that to our kids. We need to

00:02:13.840 take them to that town and then just be like this. All of the weird stuff that our kids believe about

00:02:21.320 how the world works. They believe in Wendigos. Oh, Octavian was telling me this morning that he

00:02:26.940 doesn't think Wendigos are real. He thinks we're trolling him. But yet Titan was just building

00:02:32.220 new lore last night asking about, what was it? Creaky man? Creaky man. Yeah. Creaky man who lives in a cave

00:02:39.020 that's pink and purple with maybe some blue. With maybe some blue. She's not sure. But he is

00:02:44.240 scary. Yeah. When he lives in a pink and purple cave. Anyway. No, they see what we're doing. And

00:02:50.800 I think that they're internalizing that it's like, oh, we're like building stories of the family. I'm

00:02:55.720 going to do that too. But anyway. Of the 10.13 lakh 1.013 million government schools across India,

00:03:03.820 5,149 have no students at all. And more than 70% of these schools, which reported zero enrollment in

00:03:11.360 the 2024 to 2025 academic year, are located in the states of Tanggal and West Bengal, according to

00:03:17.620 government data. Are people migrating out of them, like due to climate issues? We'll get to it in a

00:03:21.580 second. Okay. So curious. The broader category of schools with less than 10% or zero enrollment has

00:03:27.960 also seen a surge, according to data shared by the education ministry in parliament recently.

00:03:35.960 The number of such government schools has grown by 24% over the last two years, 52,309 in 2022,

00:03:45.300 2023 to 65,054 in 2024, 2025. These schools now account for 6.42% of the country's government schools.

00:03:55.300 So like six and a half percent of the country schools are empty. The government said in a

00:04:02.440 written reply to questions, and this has grown by 25% over the past two years by MPP Shadram. Nobody

00:04:10.020 cares about these names anyway. And the lower TFR Southern states of India have returned TFRs of

00:04:17.720 Talim Nuda of 1.4, Adra Palesh 1.5, Kalara 1.5. These are actually a little high. I got some more

00:04:24.940 updated numbers here. So let's pull the updated Indian TFR numbers. Yeah, and also for comparison,

00:04:32.740 what percentage of Japanese schools have shut down to declining population and what percentage

00:04:38.540 of South Korean schools have shut down due to declining population?

00:04:45.460 Because we should know that. To continue here, if you look at this map of India that I'm putting on

00:04:49.940 this right here. So in Japan, there's been a decline of less than 20%. But a rough back of

00:04:59.560 the envelope comparison suggests that the order of 20 to 25% of the school stock that existed a few

00:05:04.980 decades ago has been shut down or consolidated. And in South Korea, it's 30 to 35%. But still,

00:05:12.340 it's impressive that India would even see as much as a 6% decline because the message that we get

00:05:17.780 is that soon everyone's going to be Indian. Like, that's the hugest population. It's rising power.

00:05:24.740 Talk about this in the context of, like, Nick Fuentes has decided that now Indians are the worst 0.94

00:05:29.360 people ever. Oh, boy. Going off about, I think it's mostly, actually, there was something I heard 0.89

00:05:34.260 It must be due to H-1B visas. Because I think a lot of Americans are just really fed up with them.

00:05:38.680 I don't think it's due to H-1B visas, actually. Really? So I think it's specifically the guy,

00:05:43.720 the Romanian troll TV guy, who has a lot of overlap with us and podcast fans, he said recently something

00:05:49.640 that really begun to aid at me, and I might do a separate episode on it. But he said, suppose

00:05:55.300 Nick Fuentes, like, was not a plant designed to sabotage the Republican Party.

00:06:04.020 Why does everyone think he's a plant?

00:06:06.000 Now, hold on, hold on. This is where I had always dismissed this in the past.

00:06:10.100 Yeah.

00:06:10.520 And then he said it this way, and it completely changed my mind.

00:06:13.860 Okay.

00:06:14.500 He said, suppose he's not.

00:06:17.020 Okay.

00:06:17.300 Is there a single thing, and this is called controlled opposition, is there a single thing,

00:06:23.140 position, anything that he's done in, I'd say, the past five years that he would do differently

00:06:29.520 if he wasn't controlled opposition?

00:06:31.060 Is there a single position that he would hold differently?

00:06:35.560 And the answer is, when I started to think through it, no, I literally can't think of

00:06:40.000 a position, a single position that he holds, because he'll do stuff like glaze Gavin Newsom

00:06:44.840 while attacking J.D. Vance and take whatever position he thinks is currently going to be

00:06:50.260 the most divisive within the Republican Party.

00:06:52.760 And whenever election season comes around, he's always really loud about not voting Republican.

00:06:57.320 These are all the things you would expect a controlled opposition party to do.

00:07:01.160 And we are aware of previous right-wing figures who presented themselves as openly racist who

00:07:07.040 were a controlled opposition recently.

00:07:09.040 Known.

00:07:09.640 Like, it was provably...

00:07:11.580 What I've heard is Richard Spencer was confirmed as a controlled opposition.

00:07:15.160 And now he's pushing for Biden.

00:07:17.420 He had this period where it's like...

00:07:18.620 Well, I guess we have to define controlled opposition, because we do know for a fact,

00:07:21.840 because of the way that campaign donations are documented in the United States, that many

00:07:28.560 unviable Republican candidates were backed by Democratic donors in elections, because

00:07:39.800 they knew that if an overly extreme Republican candidate made it through the primary, they

00:07:45.980 would be too extreme to win over the centrist vote, and therefore the Democratic candidate would

00:07:50.380 win.

00:07:51.040 So the most effective use of Democratic campaign funds would be to fund a Republican candidate

00:07:57.820 that was too extreme to win a general election, only a primary election among Republicans.

00:08:02.980 So I think that maybe, like, I could see Richard Spencer, for example, being quote-unquote controlled

00:08:08.040 opposition without having any line of communication with someone attempting to fuel them.

00:08:14.100 Well, yeah, a lot of this stuff is done.

00:08:15.620 And I'm going to do some research on it, because I've been doing research on it, and the more

00:08:19.660 research I do, the fishier it gets.

00:08:21.540 It would probably be through, like, ad buys and stuff like that.

00:08:24.120 He might not even know that he's entirely being...

00:08:27.100 Yeah, or, like, bot-based subscriptions.

00:08:29.200 You know, like, he sees, oh, all these people are paying my $100 a month, you know, premium

00:08:34.200 subscription fee.

00:08:36.640 And when audience captured by controlled opposition bots...

00:08:38.980 Yeah, he doesn't know.

00:08:40.240 Like, it just happens to be that there's all these passive members who he doesn't see comments

00:08:43.800 from, who don't join his group chats, but, like...

00:08:46.940 Yeah, but the reason why was the H-1B visas.

00:08:49.520 So I have pointed out, like, if you want to attack Indians for the H-1B visa situation,

00:08:53.020 which I think is totally an acceptable thing and a really big tragedy that we're having

00:08:57.560 right now, you just point out that if an ethnic group is coming into the United States

00:09:01.020 and they have an in-group preference in hiring, which Indians demonstrably do, and they then

00:09:06.720 reach positions of seniority within an organization, soon that organization will be, especially

00:09:11.680 with senior roles, overwhelmingly that ethnic group.

00:09:14.640 Yeah, this isn't anything against Indians or anyone who does stuff like this.

00:09:18.880 Not shame on that group, shame on the system.

00:09:21.100 Like, fix the system if you have a problem.

00:09:22.820 Well, the way you fix the system is by stopping the H-1B visa. 0.89

00:09:26.100 Yeah.

00:09:26.320 But the point being is that I think...

00:09:29.500 And there's other ways that I think it can be fixed.

00:09:31.360 Like, for example, I think we should be loose on visas for immigrants who are coming in 1.00

00:09:35.220 with funded companies, because I've always found that really silly that we make it so

00:09:39.700 hard.

00:09:39.960 Oh, right.

00:09:40.220 Because they're actively creating jobs.

00:09:42.420 They're not taking someone else's job.

00:09:43.940 Yeah.

00:09:44.220 But if they're getting a job at Google or Facebook or something like that, absolutely not.

00:09:48.320 Yeah.

00:09:48.520 Then you are replacing someone, an American's job. 0.99

00:09:51.640 Yeah.

00:09:51.940 So make it...

00:09:52.740 And right now it's the opposite.

00:09:54.080 You sort of have to...

00:09:55.520 Like a lot of my immigrant friends, they sort of have to work for like five or six years

00:09:58.300 in one of these big companies so that they can get their immigration status.

00:10:00.880 And then they do the startup.

00:10:02.140 Right.

00:10:02.400 Because how are you going to get a visa if you want to go to a country to start a business?

00:10:07.320 Yeah.

00:10:07.720 Well, there are some...

00:10:08.600 And other countries do have means of getting residency or some form of even a pathway to

00:10:13.720 citizenship if you invest a certain amount of money in the country.

00:10:17.700 Right.

00:10:17.860 I don't know.

00:10:18.340 Yeah.

00:10:18.600 But anyway, the point I was making here...

00:10:20.840 No, I don't think you invest.

00:10:22.080 I think if people are willing to invest in you, like if you get like X many millions for

00:10:25.860 VCs or something like that.

00:10:27.060 Yeah.

00:10:27.900 Or if you are the founder of or president or CEO of a business that has this much funding

00:10:32.880 and you...

00:10:33.420 And I mean, you must have some pledge to have a certain number of jobs too.

00:10:37.700 Because what if it's just an AI business?

00:10:39.300 No, I don't care if it's just an AI company.

00:10:41.860 If you're coming into the United States as a rich person, that's generally good for us.

00:10:46.160 Oh, I guess.

00:10:46.500 Because yeah, you're still buying DoorDash.

00:10:48.340 You're still buying...

00:10:48.880 You're still paying taxes.

00:10:50.260 You're still...

00:10:50.860 Okay.

00:10:51.120 Fair point.

00:10:51.520 The point here being is there is a way to point out the H-1B situation and why it's

00:10:56.400 so terrible.

00:10:57.400 But if you are then attacking where Nick has spent most of his attention is attacking

00:11:02.780 J.D. Vance's wife, for example, is where I've seen a lot of stuff.

00:11:06.460 And that's more to me, I think that if he was controlled opposition, he would expect J.D.

00:11:10.860 Vance to be the next candidate for the U.S. president.

00:11:13.820 And he wants to do as much as he can to undermine him.

00:11:17.060 So he tries to stoke anti-Indian sentiment.

00:11:19.160 Which, again, we're going to argue is kind of silly because they have fairly low fertility 0.60

00:11:23.120 rates and they're not...

00:11:24.360 Well, except in the United States where it's interesting.

00:11:27.020 But we're going to get to all of this in a second.

00:11:29.940 Let's look at this fertility map. 0.98

00:11:31.640 And I sent this to you on WhatsApp.

00:11:34.080 What you can see is across India, like I'd say about a half of the country is at a fertility 0.99

00:11:39.760 rate of around like 1.5 to 1.5.

00:11:42.040 Oh my word.

00:11:43.380 India, are you okay, bro?

00:11:45.540 Yeah.

00:11:45.900 What is going on, dude?

00:11:47.460 This is not good.

00:11:49.160 This is India.

00:11:50.260 Everyone's talking about how India is this huge.

00:11:53.000 Okay.

00:11:53.700 Oh, sorry, Texas.

00:11:54.660 This is distressing.

00:11:56.440 Yeah.

00:11:56.880 And then the parts that are okay.

00:11:58.880 And when I say okay, I mean, I'm talking about fertility rates that are like 2.4.

00:12:02.400 Like just hover.

00:12:02.940 Yeah, like passable.

00:12:04.180 Yeah.

00:12:04.460 Like basically replacement if we're being honest with ourselves.

00:12:07.600 These regions are also just not that high.

00:12:10.580 So let's go in to what is correlating with that, right?

00:12:14.260 Because I was like, okay, well, so then what is India going to look like in the future

00:12:17.040 with this fertility pattern?

00:12:18.140 So I decided to look up religion by region in India.

00:12:22.640 And what you can see is the more Christian regions have very low fertility rates.

00:12:28.980 And the more Hindi regions have very low fertility rates.

00:12:33.280 And the higher fertility rates are in the, you guessed it, Muslim regions.

00:12:39.460 And then if you look at this one here, which then looks at more, you can still see, you

00:12:43.680 do have some.

00:12:44.760 Oh, this is the second most followed religion by every district.

00:12:47.220 So you can see it's the Muslim regions where you see the higher fertility rate again there.

00:12:52.000 Here we can look at ethnic groups.

00:12:53.880 And what you can see is the Dravidian ethnic group is the one that is like absolutely going 1.00

00:12:58.420 extinct.

00:12:58.940 This has the most overlap.

00:13:00.880 I'm not familiar with that group.

00:13:02.940 The Indo-Aryans that are doing really well.

00:13:05.160 If I remember correctly, they're the ones that are less related to Europe.

00:13:08.120 So for people who don't know, Indians are a European ethnic group.

00:13:12.520 They are more closely related to Europeans than they are to East Asians.

00:13:16.980 People in the comments had an aneurysm the first time you mentioned that.

00:13:20.400 So I put this in the AI to try to figure out what we had gotten wrong.

00:13:23.860 And it said we were broadly correct.

00:13:25.120 The one thing we did get wrong, though, is that the Dayan ethnic group in southern India

00:13:29.480 is actually one of the groups that is less related to Europeans.

00:13:32.160 And the northern Indians who are having more kids.

00:13:35.580 So the group that's going to replace them is actually one of the groups that is more

00:13:40.060 related to Europeans.

00:13:41.340 Just FYI, we're like, that's not true.

00:13:44.520 You could just look at this.

00:13:46.560 And it's even more so when you're talking about Brahmins, which are the ones that are 1.00

00:13:50.660 coming to our country. 0.76

00:13:51.860 India is actually a state.

00:13:53.260 Like if you want to go on the racist side of things, it's actually a state where a group

00:13:57.260 of European invaders came in and created an ethnic caste system that still with Europeans 0.97

00:14:03.120 at the top that still exists to today.

00:14:05.360 Because the Brahmin caste comes from the partially from the Aryan invaders that happened. 0.70

00:14:10.680 I can't remember how many centuries ago, which is funny to the racist people.

00:14:15.660 But we often talk about, you know, there are Indians are sort of like way more comfortable

00:14:19.780 talking about race than other groups as well.

00:14:22.680 You know, famous white nationalists we've had on the show, Rizip Khan.

00:14:25.280 And that's a joke, by the way, I call him a famous white nationalist because he's very

00:14:29.140 Indian, but everybody like.

00:14:31.660 Because he's willing to discuss genetics and traits.

00:14:36.920 Well, we've seen that if you're looking at genetically, like there was a survey done

00:14:41.440 on like what countries would be okay was doing like genetic sorting on potential partners,

00:14:47.020 you know, like Gadigas style. 0.68

00:14:48.120 And like India, like was orders of magnitude at the top of the charts.

00:14:51.800 And one of the reasons is, is because they're basically already do it when you're, when

00:14:55.800 you're getting a partner, it's like, well, how much does your brother earn?

00:14:58.060 How much, you know, which is basically saying genetically, how much are you likely to earn?

00:15:02.320 Right?

00:15:02.940 So we are going to see some asset groups within India, severely less represented in the future.

00:15:07.960 And then the last one here is the economics of each region.

00:15:11.260 And you can see that this is by far the highest overlap with the TFR.

00:15:15.040 And this is what we've talked about.

00:15:15.960 Cultures that motivate lower economic outcomes can increase their fertility rate purely through

00:15:22.140 motivating the lower economic outcomes.

00:15:25.040 And yeah, and this means that India overall is going to become poorer if the people who

00:15:29.660 are having lots of kids are in the regions and the people who make less money was in the

00:15:34.760 country.

00:15:35.720 But let's talk about Indians outside of India, because Indians outside of India are pretty 0.99

00:15:40.400 interesting.

00:15:41.560 But why do you think people had an aneurysm when I said that?

00:15:44.280 I figured that this should just be obvious to anyone who looks at an Indian face.

00:15:49.100 Like they look like dark.

00:15:52.060 No, they were, they were trying to say something about like, that's not exactly true.

00:15:56.120 It was this way instead, like something on the more technical end of the spectrum where

00:16:00.020 I didn't have enough time to research their thing and also get done everything I need to

00:16:05.200 get done.

00:16:06.220 So, you know what I mean?

00:16:08.360 Where someone like makes a more complex claim that would require a bunch of Googling and

00:16:14.160 I didn't have the time at that moment to do so.

00:16:19.420 I'll, I'll look it up.

00:16:20.580 Sure.

00:16:21.120 Yeah.

00:16:21.460 You can put the, the, on that one, I put the branching tree of human evolution.

00:16:25.000 So you could see when the various branches split, but Indians are a unique branch because 0.98

00:16:29.020 they're both European branch that was then conquered by a later group of Europeans that created

00:16:35.140 the caste system.

00:16:36.160 That's wild.

00:16:37.040 I mean, yeah, pretty crazy.

00:16:42.340 But anyway, it is, and this is a problem.

00:16:45.180 Actually, I'd say more broadly with like Indians.

00:16:47.960 So, so let's talk about this because I actually want to talk about, because I think Indians

00:16:51.140 are pretty nuanced here.

00:16:52.420 One is when they get into other countries, they have decent fertility rates.

00:16:56.600 So Indians in the United States, for example, have a fertility rate of 1.6.

00:17:00.220 That is way above the black population in the United States.

00:17:04.880 It's about the U.S. norm though, isn't it?

00:17:07.960 Isn't it?

00:17:08.460 It's about the white norm. 0.87

00:17:10.280 Yeah.

00:17:10.840 That's the same fertility rate as white people. 1.00

00:17:12.780 Yeah.

00:17:13.380 And so they're not like, we're not actually like outbreeding.

00:17:16.300 Like you could say, oh, if you're talking about like East Asians in the United States or

00:17:20.400 blacks in the United States, like we are, and you could see our episode if you're unfamiliar

00:17:23.740 with this, black birth rate fell below the white birth rate.

00:17:25.900 This last year and is falling really quickly compared to other fertility rates.

00:17:29.420 And if you're looking at the native black population, it's desperately low. 0.85

00:17:32.580 We're replacing them with Somalians, which is effing terrifying to me. 1.00

00:17:36.360 Let's, let's get on that native black population and get out the Somalians. 1.00

00:17:40.100 Can we, can we do that?

00:17:41.060 Like, I don't, this fraud, if people are wondering why we haven't covered the fraud

00:17:44.540 thing, it's too depressing for me to do any research.

00:17:46.620 I just hate that billions and billions of tax dollars are being really painful to think

00:17:51.380 about.

00:17:51.600 Yeah.

00:17:51.840 Because it's not like, that is just one fricking example.

00:17:56.800 The, the, the fact that Somalians are doing it, it's just, we did an episode on ethnic 1.00

00:18:02.060 cartels, which sort of talks about how, like within certain ethnic groups, you'll get these

00:18:06.880 clusters of industries.

00:18:07.960 A lot of, because like, you know, people are hiring trusted relations, et cetera.

00:18:12.020 Like it's really easy to sort of train people in these zones and then like bring in family.

00:18:16.840 So of course, Somalians are doing it like, but there, I bet there are other ethnic groups

00:18:21.000 that are, you know, of course, and including white groups that are doing similar levels

00:18:25.520 of fraud.

00:18:26.280 Also, there are tons of, no, no, no, no, that is demonstrably not true.

00:18:30.940 Sorry, I have to interrupt you.

00:18:32.100 Okay.

00:18:32.360 There is no other, there's certainly no white group in the United States right now that's

00:18:37.020 doing on the tune of $8 billion in one state.

00:18:40.920 No, no, no, no, that is really, yeah, the, the, the, again, the reason why ethnic cartels 0.93

00:18:46.140 are able to do their thing primarily does involve immigrant groups and also illegal low-paid

00:18:54.060 immigrants and like, so almost like refugee or indentured servitude levels of, no, I would 1.00

00:19:00.240 be shocked.

00:19:00.880 So yeah, native white populations just don't have the same, we'll say strategic advantages 1.00

00:19:05.840 or abilities to engage in ethnic cartels in the United States.

00:19:09.100 Well, they don't have the same in-group trust.

00:19:11.360 Yeah.

00:19:11.680 They might be able to do this in another country, but in the United States, I can say categorically

00:19:15.900 that's not happening.

00:19:17.060 Yeah.

00:19:17.520 Outside of like, maybe like large businesses that are getting government contracts or something

00:19:21.880 like that.

00:19:22.520 In, in which case that's more just like business corruption stuff.

00:19:26.320 But I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least one or two other ethnic groups running

00:19:30.460 a scam of a similar scale.

00:19:32.640 But, but keep in mind, the Somalian scam is something that like, we should have been aware 1.00

00:19:37.580 of like, they're a, like a, a desperately, like even for Africa, Somalia is desperately

00:19:44.320 poor, right?

00:19:45.020 Like if you're importing a bunch of people from there, you're, you're, you're unlikely

00:19:49.320 to get the, the, a huge amount of economic productivity.

00:19:52.320 And this is where I was going to get to is what I was saying about Indians, Indians are

00:19:56.000 unique in that if I was importing a large group of Somalians, and I'm looking at, you

00:20:01.120 know, what they're doing in terms of their sort of economic productivity, likeliness of running

00:20:05.520 scams, et cetera, was in the United States, I would say that they're probably going to

00:20:09.960 be a net drain on the country.

00:20:11.980 But Indians are different. 1.00

00:20:14.220 Yeah.

00:20:14.340 Because in this case, it's mostly Brahmins, right? 1.00

00:20:18.920 Immigrating over. 1.00

00:20:19.680 And, and like, they're sort of the most educated, the most wealthy who are coming, which is one

00:20:23.520 reason why their base rates are so low.

00:20:25.400 No, but it's not just that.

00:20:26.900 It's not.

00:20:27.740 So for people who don't know this, our neighborhood, the neighborhood Simone and I live

00:20:31.420 in is 70% Indian in the United States.

00:20:33.380 Yeah.

00:20:33.520 And they're, they're immigrating to work for a large finance company and like the pharmaceutical

00:20:39.100 companies here.

00:20:40.800 Yeah.

00:20:40.980 But the point being is that I'm saying this as somebody who lives in a predominantly American

00:20:47.140 Indian neighborhood.

00:20:48.260 So I'm going to talk about like the ups and downs of Indian immigrant populations.

00:20:51.340 Cause I think that they, they presented nuanced sort of position.

00:20:54.860 The, the upside is, is that it's very safe.

00:20:58.100 It's a, it's an incredibly safe community.

00:21:00.340 Not only is it a safe community, but it's a community that I'm very comfortable raising

00:21:05.620 my kids in.

00:21:06.540 They're so nice.

00:21:08.200 I remember.

00:21:08.660 All the families are great people.

00:21:10.460 I was growing up and one of my Indian friends, because I've often hung out with a lot of Indian

00:21:16.020 communities and stuff like that growing up.

00:21:17.360 Cause I grew up in Dallas, Texas, and there was a big Indian community in Dallas, Texas.

00:21:19.800 And I remember he had a conversation with me, like, dude, why are you sleeping around?

00:21:25.040 He's like, look, you should wait until you're finished with college and get married.

00:21:29.540 And then you can focus on sex.

00:21:31.280 It's a giant waste of time.

00:21:33.340 And I was like, and he explained this as like the way that it was taught to him by his parents

00:21:38.120 and a lot of Indian immigrant kids.

00:21:40.060 Like I want my kids, friends to be like, dude, don't sleep around in high school and

00:21:44.840 college.

00:21:45.380 Wait to get married.

00:21:46.640 What are you doing?

00:21:47.660 That's weird.

00:21:48.180 I, I, I dated one Indian immigrant when, when I was on my like dating thing before I met

00:21:55.100 you, but his whole thing was like, yeah, I'm dating now, but like, I'm going to marry

00:22:00.220 a nice Indian girl that my parents pick out for me.

00:22:02.720 But like, he was dating to have fun.

00:22:04.180 But also, keep in mind, like that's actually pretty effing responsible.

00:22:06.660 This is the next thing that I'm saying about Indians is that culturally they're not particularly

00:22:11.860 negative for your children to be around.

00:22:14.780 You know, somebody who's like, oh, I'm just, I might date now, but this is just for fooling

00:22:18.120 around my parents.

00:22:18.920 Yeah.

00:22:21.040 That's a message I want my kids exposed to totally like, and, and, and normalized to.

00:22:26.000 So you've got that, you've got the low crime rates like, and keep in mind that Indians 1.00

00:22:30.240 also disproportionately settle in different regions and other groups.

00:22:33.280 So Indians disproportionately settle in suburbs, which makes them very different than the 0.87

00:22:40.260 groups that disproportionately settle in major cities, which is why you cannot get as good

00:22:46.820 of Indian food in American major cities as you can in American suburbs.

00:22:50.680 This is one of the, when everyone's like, well, if you're in a major city, you can get

00:22:53.820 better food.

00:22:54.840 I don't think that's the point of diversity.

00:22:56.260 I'm just pointing out that like, that's, but anyway, and on top of all of that, Indians 1.00

00:23:03.020 generally make a lot of money.

00:23:05.160 They, they economically contribute and they don't have terribly high fertility rates when

00:23:09.060 they're here.

00:23:09.340 They have stable fertility rates.

00:23:10.520 Like they are a useful additional population.

00:23:12.820 In addition to all of that, you know, India, if you're, if you're talking culturally is outside

00:23:19.780 of Europe, one of the, the longest standing Christian traditions in the world, India.

00:23:25.920 Oh yeah.

00:23:26.460 Super, super old.

00:23:27.520 I want to say was in two generations of Jesus.

00:23:30.700 They had Christian communities in India.

00:23:32.380 It might have been within one generation of Jesus.

00:23:34.380 If some myths are true.

00:23:37.200 So by legend, Christianity arrives in India from doubting Thomas, one of the 12 apostles, roughly 0.62

00:23:45.120 30 to 33 AD.

00:23:47.680 So to put that in context, if you're like, Indians aren't actually Christian, when did

00:23:53.400 Christianity arrive in Rome?

00:23:55.200 If you are a Catholic saying that, well, between 30 and 33 AD.

00:24:00.700 So Christianity arrived in India at around the same time that Christianity arrived in Rome

00:24:09.080 for context.

00:24:11.580 So they've been there for a very long time.

00:24:14.780 Like they are as Christian as Europeans are Christian. 0.97

00:24:19.400 And this is one of the things when, you know, Nick Fodges is like America, it's a Christian 1.00

00:24:22.580 country.

00:24:23.140 And I'm like, well, there's a lot of really ancient Christian strands within India.

00:24:27.520 Now they are a lower percent of the population in India still.

00:24:31.200 And they are the areas that have the extremely low fertility rate.

00:24:34.800 And I wouldn't be surprised if within the United States, they have a low fertility rate 0.99

00:24:37.380 as well.

00:24:37.740 So keep all that in mind.

00:24:39.440 I also keep in mind that when you're talking about Indian immigrants, not all the immigrant

00:24:43.160 groups are the same.

00:24:44.440 You know, you're going to get, you know, some, you know, Hindi groups, some Muslim groups,

00:24:47.880 some JN groups, et cetera.

00:24:49.160 And they're going to have different cultures to them.

00:24:50.840 But I'm just sort of going through the broad things.

00:24:54.000 But there's a few real negatives.

00:24:55.960 One is the issue of in-group preference and hiring.

00:24:58.580 As you point out, all of these firms around here, these finance firms, I've applied to

00:25:03.920 them.

00:25:04.140 I have a Stanford MBA.

00:25:05.380 I've never heard back from any of them, right?

00:25:07.620 Like it's pretty clear what their strategy to hiring is.

00:25:11.180 And that is not useful for an existing population.

00:25:14.240 Like it is useful that they're paying taxes and everything like that.

00:25:16.780 Like that's great.

00:25:17.760 But if they can get hired into companies and a lot of these companies aren't just finance

00:25:22.540 firms.

00:25:22.880 They're big pharmaceutical companies and stuff like that, that were founded in this country

00:25:26.760 and then turn branches of them into things that are hiring mono-ethnically and in a way

00:25:32.280 that is economically uncompetitive, that is bad.

00:25:36.100 Just a strictly bad thing, right?

00:25:38.620 The secondary thing here is it's strictly bad that they also are more likely to run scams

00:25:47.680 than other populations in terms of asset groups.

00:25:50.100 So there's certainly nothing as bad as the Somalian scam, but it's just something that culturally 1.00

00:25:56.640 they do at a slightly higher rate.

00:25:59.380 But that said, I think, you know, I would say do the downsides over do the good sides.

00:26:06.560 I think the one good side that sort of tips it for me is that Indians and Europeans have 1.00

00:26:14.060 worked together in sort of the colonial project for a very long time.

00:26:20.380 And had a very good working relation during that period.

00:26:24.840 And so there is a cultural symbiosis that makes the cultures easier to work harmoniously

00:26:33.980 than you would expect otherwise when it comes to other ethnic groups that don't have this hugely,

00:26:39.800 and other cultural groups that don't have this hugely long history working alongside Europeans.

00:26:43.980 Now, that said, that happened when there was an understood hierarchy.

00:26:48.720 And now that the understood hierarchy is breaking down, it might break down the,

00:26:55.260 like, how good that project is at working.

00:26:57.680 But the broad point I'm making here is why aren't Indians in the United States hit by fertility collapse

00:27:04.680 as hard as other groups?

00:27:06.020 My core answer to this is going to be because they're better at culturally isolating themselves.

00:27:11.580 Yeah.

00:27:12.780 And the way that they culturally isolate themselves is very resistant to the urban monoculture.

00:27:22.620 So, I'll explain what I mean by this.

00:27:26.020 I've grown up with a lot of Indian friends.

00:27:27.380 They treat the urban monoculturals' predilections and everything like that as sort of not, like,

00:27:36.920 debauched in evil, like traditional Christians do, right? 1.00

00:27:40.040 Like, if you're talking about the way, like, a traditional, like, evangelical would try to resist it,

00:27:45.580 they'd be like, look at all this satanic and debauched stuff that these people are doing, right?

00:27:50.880 They treat it as just a pointless waste of time.

00:27:56.240 Like, but why are you investing all this time in dating?

00:28:00.160 Like, shouldn't you be investing it?

00:28:02.640 I remember he's like, Malcolm, like, you're, like, literally just making logical arguments to me.

00:28:06.760 Malcolm, you're a smart guy. 0.97

00:28:08.840 Like, if you spent all the time you spent hooking up with girls and having sex, studying, 0.98

00:28:15.360 you could get into a better college and make more money as an adult and get a better wife. 0.91

00:28:20.680 Like, why are you wasting time on this?

00:28:23.360 He's like, like, what do you value in life?

00:28:25.420 Like, clearly this isn't going to, and it's a very good way to sell a culture.

00:28:29.060 So you have that, and then the secondary thing, which you've heard and you often see in these groups,

00:28:33.660 is I may, and you see a lot of Indians do this,

00:28:38.520 indulge in the urban monocultural perspective, indulge in urban monocultural ways of life,

00:28:47.320 and then say, but, you know, you know and I know I'm going to marry whoever my parents arrange for me.

00:28:53.240 I'm just having fun because I'm hanging out with you guys right now.

00:28:57.260 And that's, and if you said, why, why are you going to do that?

00:29:01.400 Like, why don't you do things our way?

00:29:03.260 The answer is twofold that I've typically heard. 1.00

00:29:05.960 One is your way seems to be stupid is one of the answers. 0.99

00:29:10.500 And they're right. 0.98

00:29:11.620 You know, it was less obvious that they were able to say this when I was growing up in the early 2000s, late 90s,

00:29:18.780 and everybody thought the urban monoculture was correct.

00:29:21.360 And they were able to just look at it and be like, this doesn't seem logical to me.

00:29:24.840 Okay, that's one thing.

00:29:25.580 But then the second thing is, is they have this perspective of, yeah, but I should at least try it.

00:29:32.620 I.e., I'm going to at least give my parents' way of doing things a shot before I try the urban monocultural way of doing it.

00:29:40.360 To be perfectly honest with you, I have not exactly been looking forward to this arranged marriage.

00:29:47.060 Nor have I.

00:29:48.560 Marrying a complete stranger?

00:29:50.040 It is crazy.

00:29:52.120 Do you think this marriage could really work?

00:29:55.580 Who knows?

00:29:56.840 We can always get divorced.

00:29:58.760 Of course.

00:29:59.940 God bless America.

00:30:01.600 Well, there's, it's almost like a low-key rum springer, honestly.

00:30:05.640 Like, two things to add to what you're saying is, I get the impression from, okay, like, I grew up in a very multicultural school district.

00:30:14.960 Yeah, I grew up in a city just outside of San Francisco.

00:30:19.600 And I had a pretty, I imagine, like, pretty ethnically and racially diverse school.

00:30:27.980 Most of my friends were Asian, not Indian, but, like, Vietnam, China, and South Korea.

00:30:37.900 And then, like, a couple white friends and, like, a couple from, like, just random places, like, Oceania.

00:30:47.860 But I noticed that, like, my elementary, I had an elementary friend who was, like, from an Indian immigrant family.

00:31:00.000 Big difference, the Indians that I've known, like, either dated or known as a kid, their families or they were here for economic opportunity, not for the American experience. 0.99

00:31:11.340 They were not here for the culture.

00:31:12.600 They were not here for fun.

00:31:13.800 They were not here to change.

00:31:15.880 They were here to basically add fuel to an existing lifestyle that was working really well for them.

00:31:24.700 It's just they didn't have the money to fund it or they couldn't live Indian culture or live out their Indian cultural ideals as well in the economy in which they were born, like, in the town or city in which they used to live in India.

00:31:38.580 So they came to America to live out the Indian dream, whereas people that I knew who came from Latin America were more like their families were literally coming for more like the American cultural experience, not just the American economic dream. 0.91

00:31:56.260 And what's interesting is that the immigrant parents or the immigrant families I knew who were Asian, the parents came for the economic opportunity, but the kids came, like, or the kids were all about the American dream.

00:32:10.180 Like, they fully integrated into American culture.

00:32:12.240 And I think this is largely downstream of how well you sell your own culture to your children.

00:32:16.840 Do you make it look fun to be a, for example, Japanese-American adult or Indian-American adult?

00:32:26.860 It just doesn't look very fun to be a Chinese-American adult or Japanese-American adult. 1.00

00:32:31.740 But being an Indian-American adult can seem less nightmarish to a young person who's growing up in a family like that, 0.99

00:32:39.200 at least in terms of the kids who I know who had parents who were either South Asian or East Asian.

00:32:45.820 Yeah, but there's this mismatch.

00:32:47.380 Like, the Latin-American families I knew, like, really became super American super quickly, like, everyone.

00:32:52.440 The kids, the parents, everyone was in.

00:32:55.080 The Indians and Asian immigrant parents came for the economic opportunity and wanted to keep their home culture. 0.79

00:33:02.440 But the Indian kids stayed. 0.99

00:33:04.460 The Asian kids left. 1.00

00:33:06.120 And I don't, I still can't wait to know why.

00:33:08.580 Because both were disciplined, right?

00:33:10.680 Men both had strong home cultures.

00:33:14.220 I don't know what the difference is.

00:33:15.300 And maybe it's just-

00:33:16.240 Okay, so, I mean, I can go into, I think it has to do with how they relate to parents.

00:33:22.160 In India, there seems to be more of, like, less of this, I guess I don't know how to put it.

00:33:31.560 I haven't seen as much friction between Indian parents and Indian children.

00:33:36.020 Well, my Asian, especially those with Chinese parents.

00:33:40.700 So, Vietnamese parents, there was a lot more love and care and family connection.

00:33:44.540 The ones with Chinese parents either would explicitly say that the parents didn't love them or show through various, like, anecdotes that their parents did not show an ounce of affection.

00:33:53.720 And I also, and I noticed this where I was growing up, and I will say on the West Coast of the United States, you will see other Asian groups where the kids can stay in their home culture for intergenerationally.

00:34:05.420 Because they've got, you know, Chinese schools to send them to or specific, like, school districts that are just meant for their culture and specific classes and everything.

00:34:14.040 Like, they've got the critical mass.

00:34:15.460 Indians, pretty much wherever I've seen them in the United States.

00:34:17.960 Whereas, when I see Indians on the East Coast or in the center of the U.S., like in, like, Texas, sorry, not Indians, East Asians, they immediately assimilate. 0.93

00:34:24.520 But Indians, it's not the same. 1.00

00:34:26.000 Indians don't. 1.00

00:34:26.620 And that's another thing that people could say is an issue.

00:34:29.000 I mean, this is the thing.

00:34:30.360 And I think we need to be realistic.

00:34:31.620 I don't know.

00:34:32.360 Actually, no.

00:34:32.900 Well, yeah, it must be assimilation, because when you look at populations in Europe that are growing after migration, it's because they also correlate highly with the lack of assimilation.

00:34:42.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:43.340 So they're not picking up these urban monocultural values at the same rate.

00:34:48.560 The other thing I was going to note about Indian culture, which is also worth talking about, and this is where I would have, you know, more consternation. 1.00

00:34:54.740 Like, I would be totally cool with my boys or girls hanging out with Indian boys, but Indian culture, of all the cultures that I have ever hung out a lot around, has the biggest differentiation between males and females in terms of the way that they act and their attitudes.

00:35:12.340 Really?

00:35:12.980 So you wouldn't be in favor of them dating, or are boys dating Indian girls?

00:35:18.320 They can date Indian girls, and I just think that Indian girls are much more likely to be a bad influence. 1.00

00:35:23.860 My heart breaks for Octavian's former first grade classmate who threw him a cute little Minecraft sword and colored it.

00:35:32.200 And I want to be clear here, whenever I speak in generalities about a group, I don't mean this about everyone in the group.

00:35:39.040 I've met some Indian girls who not only didn't come off as histionic at all, which I think is the better term for the behavior type that I'm describing here, that I use here.

00:35:48.820 It's just this broad histionic personality type, but I thought would make good wives for me. 1.00

00:35:54.980 And I have, since meeting Simone, I have met maybe three or four women in my entire life where I'm like, that woman would have been a really nice person to marry, but one of them was an Indian girl. 0.96

00:36:06.120 So I want to be clear here that there are some Indian girls that I hold in the highest of esteem in terms of the people I have met.

00:36:13.880 I'm just saying that this is a broad and weird trend that I've noticed where the Indian guys that I have met throughout my life and become good friends with have all been on the more stoic side of all humans I've met. 1.00

00:36:26.140 Whereas the Indian girls that I have met and become friends with have been involved in my socials or girls have been on the more histionic side, which is weird because these are opposite personality types. 1.00

00:36:36.120 Just in case you're wondering, this Indian girl who I met and I thought would, oh, this would make a great wife. 0.99

00:36:40.760 She's married, she's having kids, and she's very politically involved.

00:36:45.020 So hopefully going to be a big player one day.

00:36:47.280 Well, it's not bad for when you're fooling around.

00:36:50.520 Like, I mean, no, you don't fool around on a girl. 0.55

00:36:54.060 What I would say is that I have, in my entire life, I have met multiple kleptomaniacs, like people who, despite being wealthy, like steal stuff. 1.00

00:37:04.300 From stores or like from other people or both?

00:37:07.660 I've met three of them.

00:37:09.180 And it was just known that they just regularly stole stuff from people.

00:37:12.340 Every single one of them that I've met was an Indian girl, an ethnically Indian girl.

00:37:16.680 Of the people I've met with obvious borderline, like personality features and stuff like that, almost everyone I've met is an Indian girl. 0.98

00:37:25.620 And keep in mind, this is where I hung out with disproportionately Indian people through many parts of my life.

00:37:30.060 But, like, Indian girls seem to be, like, toxic feminine in a way that is just, like, pretty high. 1.00

00:37:39.220 I don't know what causes that correlation. 0.69

00:37:45.060 I'm trying to think, like, why is it?

00:37:47.380 Why is it that Indian, is it like a... 1.00

00:37:53.220 I'm trying to think.

00:37:54.640 It's a form of gender dimorphism, like, they're a more gender dimorphic culture, which leads to more... 0.56

00:38:03.040 Because, okay, so actually, hold on.

00:38:04.700 Here's my thesis on what causes this, okay?

00:38:06.580 Okay.

00:38:07.460 India is a more gender dimorphic culture. 1.00

00:38:10.240 That's just, like, an objectively true thing, right?

00:38:12.960 However, Indian males phenotypically do not look... 0.95

00:38:17.400 Like, they do not max out on gender dimorphism maleness, right?

00:38:21.140 Like, very few people look at an Indian male and think, that guy's a chad or whatever, right?

00:38:25.520 And as such, they don't adopt a highly gender dimorphic or toxic masculine identity.

00:38:31.180 However, Indian women can appear extremely feminine, right? 0.99

00:38:36.500 And as such, they are more likely to adopt sort of the toxic feminine archetype and tropes, potentially. 1.00

00:38:46.780 So, you're saying, basically, because Indian men aren't super, super, super manly phenotypically, that Indian women have to be more feminine just to differentiate?

00:39:02.200 No, what I'm saying is Indian men might have a similar problem if Indian men were more muscular and taller than other ethnic groups.

00:39:10.920 They're just not.

00:39:12.100 So, they can't as easily lean into that identity.

00:39:14.780 But Indian women don't look any less effeminate than other ethnic groups. 1.00

00:39:19.260 So, it's easier for them to lean into this archetype of the mean girl with, you know, emotional regulation issues. 1.00

00:39:29.520 I wonder.

00:39:31.520 Whatever the case may be, it's...

00:39:33.700 They're lucky they've got Indian guys, because that's, like, the one ethnic group of guys where I'm like, I can see them being chill enough that this would work.

00:39:39.680 But anyway, and maybe other people haven't noticed this trend, and it's just something I've noticed.

00:39:43.780 Other people can write back of, like, yeah, I've noticed.

00:39:47.340 I will make a secondary note here that the ones, the Indian women I know who act, like, histionic and sort of crazy, all of them fell to the urban monoculture. 1.00

00:39:56.760 So, they are the ones that have moved furthest from their birth culture. 0.96

00:39:59.800 And I've even known one who was like this during a phase in her life when she was becoming more urban monoculture.

00:40:08.460 Really?

00:40:09.360 Then she decided, actually, my parents weren't such bad people.

00:40:12.760 I should go back and take more advice from them.

00:40:14.840 And she became, like, way more level-headed and sane and responsible.

00:40:18.480 So, I think that it could also be that Indian women are more co-evolved with their culture and really need it and do worse in an urban monocultural environment. 0.72

00:40:31.040 But that's my take.

00:40:32.880 They are very offensive.

00:40:34.060 But I'd be interested to see in the comments of other people who have noticed this.

00:40:36.200 Yeah.

00:40:36.560 If I'm going to anticipate anything, I think people are going to be like, you can't even make this many generalizations considering how insanely diverse India is.

00:40:47.400 But then I would counter-argue that not really when the types of people from India that are immigrating to the United States that we are meeting are typically actually from a much smaller social set.

00:41:03.880 Yeah.

00:41:05.340 Which is often the elite social set.

00:41:08.000 Which is, again, like, that's who you want as an immigrant group so long as they aren't displacing the existing population from companies.

00:41:14.740 Which is, like, how would you actually, if you're going to build a policy that could make it possible to have Indians immigrate into the country without it being a net negative?

00:41:24.980 I think what you would need to do is acknowledge the in-group preference in hiring that Indians have.

00:41:31.500 Yeah.

00:41:31.920 Yeah.

00:41:32.120 Trying to, like, fight it in some way.

00:41:36.060 No, no.

00:41:36.600 I think you need to acknowledge it and just make it explicitly illegal.

00:41:39.360 Yeah, just expect it.

00:41:41.440 Expect it and make it illegal.

00:41:43.780 Make it illegal to, like, specifically hire, like, over X percent Indians or something like that. 1.00

00:41:50.280 To have over X percent of X percent. 0.98

00:41:51.920 That's just going to get exploited in some way.

00:41:55.340 Like, that doesn't seem right.

00:41:56.400 I would just say, I don't know.

00:41:58.780 I don't have an answer.

00:42:00.500 You know, there aren't typically easy answers to things like this.

00:42:04.220 I don't know.

00:42:05.640 I think that's an easy answer.

00:42:06.900 Just make it illegal.

00:42:08.300 Like, I don't understand, right?

00:42:09.840 Like, it would be a good thing.

00:42:11.680 It would be a good thing for even an Indian to push because they could be like, look, this is a problem. 1.00

00:42:16.580 I acknowledge it's a problem.

00:42:17.720 Let's make it not a problem because, you know, I'm sure you would prefer Indian immigrants to Somalian immigrants, right? 0.99

00:42:23.980 But, yeah, and I think here some leftist is watching this and horrified that I'm saying that we need to acknowledge that these groups are culturally different from each other at the very least.

00:42:35.400 And that cultural differentiation leads to different behavioral patterns and economic engagement.

00:42:42.480 And some of that forms of economic engagement, like the Somalian immigrants scam, can be culturally damaging to the host country. 0.56

00:42:52.400 I will also note that one thing that I see a lot of pushback on in the right, and I think it's right to push back on, is Vivek in his speech.

00:43:01.160 And I quite like Vivek.

00:43:02.040 But he tried to do a speech like attacking Nick Fuentes at the recent, like, Turning Point whatever conference, which we should start going to that, by the way.

00:43:08.260 But anyway, so he tries to do a speech.

00:43:10.180 He's like, blah, blah, blah.

00:43:12.040 You know, I'm as American as anyone else.

00:43:14.660 And, you know, Nick Fuentes was aghast at this.

00:43:16.720 Now, of course, I point out, Nick Fuentes, you're a Catholic that is less American than being an Indian, historically speaking. 1.00

00:43:24.020 Like, watch our video on this.

00:43:25.680 Like, America was explicitly founded as an anti-Catholic country.

00:43:28.700 Again, watch our – if you're not familiar with this, we point out that Catholics could only vote in two of the 13 colonies.

00:43:33.960 And almost all of the founding fathers were extremely anti-Catholic, except for George Washington, as far as I'm aware of.

00:43:41.220 But the point I'm making here is, you know, he comes from a fairly recent immigrant family as well.

00:43:46.000 But I do think that he has a point here, which is this anyone being able to go up and say, I'm just as American as anyone else, people are getting a little sick of that.

00:43:55.660 But to be clear, I think it is more disgusting for somebody like Nick Fuentes, who is a Catholic, to say this about somebody else without any appreciation than it is for some random person to assume an American identity. 0.93

00:44:13.340 For him to gatekeep an identity, which is specifically, he is just as much a guest as this Indian, is quite repulsive. 1.00

00:44:22.740 Instead of, I am really grateful that this country is hosting me, despite me not having, and my ancestors not have played a part in building this country into what it is today.

00:44:34.820 You know, I am, I am grateful for being hosted here, is, that sounds very ungrateful.

00:44:42.540 And I do not think, I think that in the 90s, you could say that, and that was like a trope and stuff like this.

00:44:47.100 And now we're moving to a no, what you actually say is, I'm grateful to be here, and grateful that you're willing to let me represent this movement.

00:44:55.500 And I will try to stand for what the people who, you know, built this country were standing for.

00:45:02.440 And I've also heard it pointed out, and I think this is very true, that the Founding Fathers, this idea of like anyone who comes to America is American as anyone else. 0.77

00:45:10.000 That was certainly not what the Founding Fathers believed.

00:45:12.700 They were quite big believers in differences in groups.

00:45:18.060 And so when did that become a core to the American identity?

00:45:21.440 We can actually probably do a separate episode on that.

00:45:23.380 When did the idea that anyone who comes to America is American as anyone else, when did that become popular?

00:45:28.600 Yeah, I am curious to know, actually.

00:45:30.640 I'm going to guess it became popular in the 90s.

00:45:35.020 I'm going to think it can't, it's got to be a more recent thing.

00:45:39.840 It probably happened.

00:45:41.100 I would say like, maybe earlier, like around the Vietnam War.

00:45:46.260 If it happened earlier.

00:45:46.640 I think it would correlate highly with the beginnings of criticizing America and Americans. 0.60

00:45:54.860 Like, when the inward hate began would be when the sort of outward love would begin.

00:46:02.240 And then the, oh, the oral America.

00:46:03.640 Where it likely started, like I'm actually thinking through my history, is it started with the normalization of Catholic immigrants as being as American as non-Catholic immigrants.

00:46:12.360 And this was, for people who don't know, a huge issue in America.

00:46:16.020 Because the Catholic immigrant ways, whether it was the mafia or the mob, they always brought tons of organized crime. 1.00

00:46:20.340 And people didn't like them.

00:46:21.660 Like, they were seen as very non-American.

00:46:23.640 And being seen as non-American, there was these huge campaigns, like the Columbus Day campaign and everything like that, to try to make it seem like, well, Columbus, the very person who found America, was a Catholic, right?

00:46:40.140 Like, therefore, being a Catholic or an Italian or whatever, like, this is fine, right? 0.69

00:46:44.880 And if you today have normalized to, like, well, Italians are as white and American as anyone else, and yet you are grinding your teeth about Latin American immigrants, I'm like, you understand that that's basically the exact same ethnic group, right?

00:47:01.580 Like, it is a Catholic-majority Southern European ethnic group.

00:47:06.360 Majority Southern European ethnic group.

00:47:08.040 Like, they, if you think that they were unjustified or this was some wrong kind of prejudice, yet you have prejudice against Latin American immigrants, that makes no sense to me.

00:47:18.960 Like, Latin American immigrants are more American than the Italian immigrants, specifically because the cultures that they come from, if you're talking about cultural distance, at least were also immigrant countries.

00:47:30.040 And their ancestors often chose to come over in immigrant ways, making them closer to our ancestors than the Irish or Catholic immigrants.

00:47:38.620 Oh, interesting.

00:47:41.100 But anyway, sorry, the Irish or Italian immigrants. 1.00

00:47:43.620 So I actually think that that's probably where it happened.

00:47:47.040 Yeah, I'm curious.

00:47:48.340 Maybe, maybe there's an episode there.

00:47:50.560 I'm sure there's not.

00:47:51.520 We can look into it.

00:47:53.240 Yeah.

00:47:53.980 Love you, Simone, and have a spectacular day.

00:47:57.660 You too.

00:48:00.040 Oh, we're good.

00:48:03.100 That is wonderful.

00:48:04.260 And happy comments today.

00:48:07.100 Indeed. 1.00

00:48:08.260 Women are horrible. 1.00

00:48:10.160 Women are horrible. 1.00

00:48:11.240 Again, on Basecamp. 1.00

00:48:13.100 I didn't get it.

00:48:13.800 I thought my, the tallest joke was so funny, and not a lot of people commented on it.

00:48:19.380 The Urken society being tender. 1.00

00:48:21.740 But no, no, just me.

00:48:24.020 Maybe we're dealing with a different generation of followers.

00:48:26.160 I don't know.

00:48:26.600 Younger, yeah.

00:48:27.260 I don't think this was a generation of people raised on Invader Zim.

00:48:31.060 I don't know what to tell you.

00:48:32.120 Sad, but true.

00:48:33.720 Sad, but true.

00:48:34.600 All right.

00:48:34.880 All right.

00:48:34.920 Okay, what are you doing?

00:48:43.980 I don't care.

00:48:49.060 I'm just this one.

00:48:52.940 Okay, which one of the...

00:48:54.540 Uh-oh! 0.94

00:48:55.680 What?

00:48:56.980 Do we have anybody being a bad boy out here? 0.99

00:48:59.020 No, I'm going to know my dad with bullets to attack. 0.92

00:49:04.660 Octavian? 0.95

00:49:11.380 Do it, Taylor, do it.

00:49:13.700 Do it? You want him to attack Dad?

00:49:17.680 Dad, I'm going to attack my bullets. 0.98

00:49:20.080 Come on, it's a blogging. 0.96

00:49:23.220 Come on! 0.61

00:49:33.220 Torsten, not the clothing!

00:49:53.220 You took him down! Good job!

00:50:00.660 He's getting ready, man!

00:50:03.160 He's getting ready!

00:50:05.740 He's getting ready!

00:50:07.900 He's running low!

00:50:09.800 Thank you!

00:50:15.640 He's helping me!

00:50:18.120 Go, move your arch! 0.94

00:50:20.320 He's giving meep!

00:50:21.960 You're doing a good job.

00:50:40.680 Jorison, you're doing a very good job fighting.

Based Camp - January 26, 2026

The Indian Extinction Event

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