The Jewish IQ Myth： The Truth is Much Weirder
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In The Pragmatist Guide to Crafting Religions, Malcolm Gladwell and his wife, Simone, argue that Jews are not as smart as their peers, and in fact, they are less smart than they were once thought.
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Remember the first study I mentioned, where I said Jews were only 1% smarter, right?
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On average, when you consider all of the information.
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So what that meant, if you were going to get a standard deviation higher, that meant on
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some tests they had to be scoring unusually good, and on some tests they had to be scoring
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They were scoring unusually poorly on the nonverbal reasoning test.
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Yeah, so in other words, Jews appear to be word cells and not shape rotators in internet
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So then this guy comes in, and he's basically like, I can't believe that there are some
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areas where Jews do uniquely well, and some areas where Jews do uniquely poorly.
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So how about we just look at the areas where they do well?
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Yeah, let's redo the battery, but only include the tests where I know from the previous data
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The core guy who did this research that was cherry-picked using only verbal scores, Richard
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Lynn, in his words, the only representative study ever conducted other than his own was
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that other study that we were looking at, okay?
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We're using the studies that he is pointing to.
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The strongest data-backed claim that a person can reasonably make about Jewish IQ differences
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is that Ashkenazi Jews have a marginally better verbal IQ and math skills, which is offset by
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marginally lower visual-spatial intelligence and reasoning.
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Today, we are going to go over another topic that is delved into heavily in one of our books,
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which means we'll be reading some parts of one of our books.
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Whenever we get to a place where there's a citation, you can just go to the book and find
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But this is one of our biggest surprises when we were writing The Pragmatist Guide to Crafting
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Religion was that we sort of came to the realization that the Jewish, Ashkenazi Jewish population
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specifically, does not actually seem to have the IQ advantage that all the gene bros would
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And there has been some intentional misrepresentation of data in this area.
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And from a cultural perspective, that's really interesting because it means that their cultural
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success has more to do with cultural practices than a natural advantage.
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But which is much more interesting to talk about because that's the culture is what we
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When we started writing this book, we were fairly certain that Jews were smarter than other
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Anecdotally, we like to think we associate with disproportionately intelligent people, as
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gauged by notable professional achievement, and have no reason to mostly be friends with
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Yet a huge chunk of our friends are either Orthodox Jews or secular Jews.
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Objectively, Jews win Nobel Prizes at a rate 100 times higher than would be expected given
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Among the highest ranked chess players, 51% have at least one Jewish parent.
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This is not something that could be easily explained by nepotism.
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Jews are represented among the world's richest people at a rate 100,000% higher than would
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They make up 19% of the Forbes 200 richest list and 0.19% of the world population.
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Jews are overrepresented in Congress and the Senate at a rate of about 400% higher than
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one would expect based on their population in the United States.
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Jews are dotted in positions of power throughout our society at a rate that would not be expected
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given that they only make up 2% of the U.S. population.
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Consider, for example, that as of this book's creation, 41.61% of Joe Rogan's political guests
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have been Jewish and 20.27% of his science guests have been Jewish.
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We have a little game that we used to play when we would do parties in New York where
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we'd be like, okay, how many people here at the party are Jewish?
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Because we're not inviting people to be Jewish.
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Remember, it was always like at least 50% of the people.
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Sometimes there would only be like two people in the room who weren't Jewish.
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And we are disproportionately like intentionally associating with Jewish individuals, which
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to me indicates for whatever reason, cultural affinity, anything like that, when we're trying
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to select individuals who we have judged because who goes to our parties, like I'm not
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friends with people to talk to them because we don't like friends.
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Like I don't want to waste time being friendly with someone, right?
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I would only invite somebody if I thought that they were either going to be useful to our
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career, are useful to our mission of changing the world.
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People who have power or people who are likely to have power in the future.
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And that ended up with a disproportionately Jewish group.
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Well, I also wonder because at these parties too, especially because they're largely Gen
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X, millennial and Gen Z attendees, they're insanely flaky.
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Maybe Jews show up, but maybe that's why Jews have so many positions of power because
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It comes as no surprise that many people have come to the conclusion that Jews must be smarter
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That said, after going over the evidence, we have changed our minds on the subject drastically.
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We had to make edits throughout the book after it happened.
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First, let's get the most common myth out of the way that, quote, Jews are smart because
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the Holocaust acted as a selection event, eliminating less intelligent Jewish population,
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The types of evidence cited in this argument, Jews being overrepresented in educated professions
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and positions of power, can be seen in data before the Holocaust.
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For example, in pre-Holocaust Germany, Jews were overrepresented in the medical profession
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at a rate of more than 1,500 percent, with 47 percent of pediatricians being Jewish, even
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though Jews accounted for only 0.9 percent of the population at the time, citation.
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Stats like this can be found virtually anywhere you look in reference to pre-Holocaust Jewish
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It is similarly unlikely that, quote, pogroms made Jews smart, unquote.
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The first being that other groups plagued by pogroms, like the Romani, aka gypsies, are
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not also known for being disproportionately in jobs requiring higher education.
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Second, Jews objectively are not particularly smarter than average.
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Just as we did when we first dug deeper, you might be thinking, wait, what?
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I've read my entire life that Jews are super-duper smart.
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Aren't there, like, a bunch of scientific studies that showed Jews have higher IQ?
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While it is true that there are a bunch of studies on this topic, they don't ultimately
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demonstrate in a robust manner that Jewish people have systematically higher IQs.
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The most cited and well-conducted study on Jewish IQ differences was published by Margaret
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This study compared 1,236 Jews to 1,051 non-Jewish Caucasians across six different batteries of
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tests focused on different types of intelligence.
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It found that Jews had an average score of 51.88 across all test categories, while Caucasians
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Note, Backman also did a preliminary study in 1970 that people sometimes cite, but it
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only looked at 65 Jewish boys, so we are ignoring its citation.
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No, because it gets really interesting in just a second.
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What is wild is that people will frequently cite Backman's 1972 research as proof that Ashkenazi
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They do this by only mentioning the two of those six areas in which Jews outperformed their
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populations, verbal and math, while ignoring the parts where they underperformed, then generalize
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that score, creating the illusion of some big intelligence difference.
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But that is objectively not what the study says.
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So I love that people will go to this study and they'll be like, ah, this is proof that Jews
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are like 30% more intelligent because they did 30% higher on this one test.
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Yeah, but what the study said is they were 1% more intelligent, not 30% more intelligent.
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It's because the tests were being considered together.
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And you'll see where people start manipulating the data here to trick people.
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If it were true that Jews had much higher IQs, Israel, with an 81% Jewish population, wouldn't
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have an average national IQ lower than that in the United States, 94 versus 98%.
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We find this nationwide number very compelling as it is much harder to manipulate than individual
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As Ashkenazi Jews make up almost half, 44.2% of the Jewish population in Israel, it is preposterous
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to assert that they sport an average IQ over a standard deviation above what the general
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Unless one also asserts that non-Ashkenazi Jews are outlandishly stupid, which most supporters
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of the Jewish competence theory don't argue, citation.
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So before we go further here, I have heard a counter to this point.
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What they argued is that a large portion of the group that is identified as Ashkenazi Jews
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in Israel is actually Russian ethnically and not Ashkenazi Jew at all.
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But they used claims of a Jewish identity to migrate at various points.
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Oh, and because a lot of the Jews in Russia are Ashkenazi, they're just like, yeah, I'm
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Yeah, they get counted as Ashkenazi, even though they're not Ashkenazi.
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However, I think when taken into account along with the rest of the evidence we're going to
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discuss in this particular piece, you'll probably come to the point that no, they're just not
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If you have an 81% Jewish population and 44.2% of that population of that 81% is Ashkenazi
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The rest of the population, and you get this number that people claim, which I often hear
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Ashkenazi Jews are about one standard deviation higher than the general population.
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You would need the rest of the population in Israel to be like a standard deviation and
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In fact, one of the core champions of the Ashkenazi high IQ theory, Miles Dorfer, argued
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in his book, Intelligence and Giftedness, that Sephardic Jews, who make up most of the other
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half, 44.9% of the Jewish population in Israel, citation, have an average IQ of 111.
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If this were true, even if all non-Jews in Israel were mentally handicapped,
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you still couldn't get an average IQ of 94 for the nation.
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I really want to point out the actual insanity of this.
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You have a country that is 81% Jews who are supposed to be, you know, about a standard
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And then another group that is an average IQ of 111.
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And somehow that country has an average IQ of 94.
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Well, what you missed, Malcolm Collins, was that everyone's pet goldfish in Israel is counted
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Well, Beckman's 1972 paper is the most cited peer-reviewed article on this topic, being cited
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252 times at the time of this book's publication.
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Another well-known researcher in the space is Richard Lynn.
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He argued that Jews have a higher-than-average IQ in both 2004, citation, with a paper now
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cited 49 times, and 2008 in co-authorship with Satoshi Kanazawa, with a paper cited 32
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However, his 2008 work with Kanazawa involved more participants.
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While these studies yielded results in line with Beckman's research, they only tested verbal
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IQ, which allowed them to, quote-unquote, prove that Jews have a general IQ advantage
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by cherry-picking the type of intelligence measured.
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We suspect Lynn chose to be intentionally manipulative as he specifically cites Jews getting
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low nonverbal reasoning scores as motivation for his research.
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But these are so variable, and in some instances so low, as to raise doubts about their credibility.
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It is difficult to credit that Jewish sample could have a nonverbal reasoning IQ of 91.3,
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and at the same time a mathematical IQ, quantitative reasoning in the McGrew and Flanagan taxonomy,
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It is also difficult to credit that the Jewish sample could have a verbal IQ of 107.8, while
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at the same time having a short-term verbal memory of 95.1, verbal memory IQ of 95.1.
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These results are in need of checking and replication.
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So basically, if you're an audience member and you're like intelligent, right, you should
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immediately know from what he said there that he intentionally is lying using data.
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You can tell that because remember the first study I mentioned, where I said Jews were only
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one percent smarter, right, on average when you considered all of the information.
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So what that meant, if you were going to get like a standard deviation higher, that meant
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on some tests they had to be scoring unusually good, and on some tests they had to be scoring
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They were scoring unusually poorly on the nonverbal reasoning test.
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Yeah, so in other words, Jews appear to be word cells and not shape rotators in internet
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Um, but anyway, so this guy then comes in, right?
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It doesn't exactly break down into word cells and shape rotators because, for example, they
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do better on math, but then they're bad on, so it's a little complicated, Simone.
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But the point being is that there appears to be some areas in which Jews excel and some
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So then this guy comes in and he's basically like, I can't believe that there are some areas
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where Jews do uniquely well, in some areas where Jews do uniquely poorly.
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So how about we just look at the areas where they do well?
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Yeah, let's do, redo the battery, but only include the test where I know from the previous
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Of course you came up with them appearing about a standard deviation higher.
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So for people who haven't fully worked this all out in your head as to how he manipulated
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the data, and it's, it's like really obvious when you look at it, but we'll get into this
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You, you write in the book, if Lin's goal was to truly prove the claim that Jews do actually
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have a higher general IQ, he would have focused on the nonverbal reasoning facets of
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intelligence investigated by Backman in 1972, where Jews were deficient, not where they
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Imagine your kid took a battery of evaluations.
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And while they performed wonderfully on the verbal test, their visual spatial test score
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If you wish to prove the results were wrong about their overall performance, you would
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have the child retake just the visual spatial test, the one on which they performed poorly
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rather than the verbal evaluation where presumably you have nothing to contest.
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If instead you just wanted to get your kid into a good college and don't actually care
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about getting a true measure of their performance, you would find some other test that only had
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a verbal component and present it as an evaluation representative of your kid's overall performance.
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Lin tries to argue exactly this quote, the first items of information of particular interest
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to us are the respondents, religion and ethnic group.
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An analysis of these enables us to categorize the respondents as Jewish, non-Jewish, white, black and other.
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The second item of interest is the respondents' score on a 10-word vocabulary test.
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Vocabulary is a good measure of both general intelligence and verbal intelligence.
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Because everyone knows vocabulary is how you gauge intelligence.
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So I think when a lot of people look at these tests that Lin did, that they assumed that
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Lin's findings around vocabulary are largely in line with the verbal advantage found in
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Beckman's research, meaning that there is some reason to have confidence in Beckman's
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I want to explain what I mean by this if people don't understand the intention here.
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What I'm saying is his research produced results that were in line with Beckman's research,
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which shows that Jews did better on these verbal things, and it showed that they did
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about as better as Beckman said, which then leads me to more believe the stuff that he
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didn't want to accidentally replicate, showing Jews did reliably worse in nonverbal things.
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You might be wondering about some other data cited by those who argue Jews are something
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like a standard deviation smarter than other populations.
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Outside of Richard Lin's work, this data mostly comes to two studies.
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The first, 13 citations, compares wealthy Jewish NYC day school students to a general population,
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while the second, 331 citations, uses data from kibbutzim whose graduates have historically
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While the second study itself is not making an argument about Jewish IQ, Miles Stouffer uses
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its data to make it the assertion in the aforementioned book, Intelligence and Giftedness.
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Despite their samples being quite skewed, and even though neither study itself claimed to
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make assertions about general Jewish IQ, people often cite them when making arguments around
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Imagine you wanted to show that British people were smarter than other people.
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So you compared the performance of students at elite British private schools or gifted
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programs to that of students in other nations' general population.
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Like, I hope that people can see that the people who are arguing this are arguing it in bad faith.
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Like, it's very clear that you cannot get a measure of Jews being smarter than the general population
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by looking at elite Jewish private schools in Manhattan or kibbutzims, when we know that
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the graduates of kibbutzim score significantly higher than the general Jewish population in Israel.
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So, like, why would you do this unless you took to start Jews or high IQ?
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If you shared our original assumptions and believed there was an abundance of well-conducted
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research featuring large sample sizes that clearly demonstrated outsized Jewish intelligence,
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you would probably think we are cherry-picking.
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But in the words of Richard Lynn himself, quote,
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there is only one study of the intelligence of American Jews in the last half century,
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which appears to be representative and had a reasonable sample size.
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That is Backman's 1972 analysis of the data in Project Talent,
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a nationwide American survey of the abilities of 18-year-olds carried out in 1960.
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That's the very same study that shows only a 1% difference mind-explosions.
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so i want to be clear the core guy who did this research that was cherry-picked using only verbal
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scores remember that we've been talking about who's intentionally manipulating data and is
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a core advocate of jews having a higher general iq richard lynn in his words the only representative
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study ever conducted other than his own was that other study that we were looking at okay so it's
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not that we're cherry-picking we're using the studies that he is pointing to um so uh do you
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want me to continue here or i'll go ahead you see similar things wherever you look while jews are not
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compared to a caucasian population in a 1965 paper by gerald lesser gordon pfeiffer and donald clark
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with a whopping 657 citations table 12 indicates that jews only outperformed chinese participants
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on verbal 90.35 to 71.09 and math 28.50 to 27.79 and skill coming below chinese participants on
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reasoning 25.21 to 25.94 and visual spatial 39.71 to 42.51 skill hold on i want to take a quick note
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here so that people get this is why i say don't go for the word cell versus shape rotator thing yeah
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because of this math is included in shape rotator skill sets and that's not really the way it works
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jews seem to have uniquely good memories around stuff like vocabulary they seem to be uniquely good at
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at verbal like sophistry and they seem to be uniquely good at math but uniquely bad at general reasoning and
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uniquely bad at spatial reasoning so relatable man so it's it's more of like a general reasoning problem
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and not a i.e they would be very good at convincing someone of something yes very good at doing math and
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mathematical proofs but they would have a harder time this is on average you know we're just going
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over the data here i'd say checking if the thing that they're convincing the other person of is actually
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true um anyway continue greta adeval albert silverman and edward mcgill report in a 1970 research
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paper which has been cited 22 times that a when jewish college freshmen were given a 10 test battery
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of perception skills jewish student performance was significantly below that of non-jewish classmates
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when participants with matching sat scores were compared so this gets really really interesting here
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so they gave them a battery of perception scores right but they correlated their otherwise iq i.e their
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their general iq by using the sat scores and found that they had weighed lower on this on this perception
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score compared to the general population anyway continue probably the most compelling evidence
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suggesting a higher jewish general intelligence comes from the bell curve which contributes evidence
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to the nlsy national longitudinal surveys data set to the debate though it does admit that quote
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we cannot be sure that the 98 jews in the sample are nationally representative unquote and that the
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quote source of the difference is concentrated in the verbal component unquote here i would note like
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everywhere you look this isn't like one study or something like this or one person everywhere all of
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these independently conducted things measured in different ways are showing not a general iq advantage
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among jews but a verbal iq advantage in a deficit in other areas well which is it's kind of why
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any sort of we'll say like racism based or group based a bias like this group is worse or better
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seems so dumb to me because we're different we have we have lumpy skill sets and that's a good thing
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yeah i i think that this is a huge mistake that individuals make when they're looking at
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group differences tied to genetics and they try to be like this is the smart group and this is the dumb
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group when really it appears to be that some groups have more talent in parts of their brains that are
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tied to specific outcomes and that that can lead to like i for example i think it would be pretty hard
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to argue that black americans don't seem to have some sort of cognitive advantage when it comes to
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music when you look at the number of top selling musical artists in the united states well and like
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yeah verbal delivery poetry yeah there's a whole bunch of stuff that is where they just seems to be
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like over representation in those spheres well an over representation which to me belies some form of
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either cultural or genetic advantage yeah but that that we need to get away from this idea of like
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genetic intelligence or genetic non-intelligence yeah i think that this helps us do that where we can see
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that some bad actors because i actually suspect what's happening here is that the human brain likely has to
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do trade-offs when it's making an average population uniquely specialized in one area that ends up hurting that
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population on average within other areas specifically otherwise like why wouldn't all humans have that
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advantage right it's because the easy ways from a biological perspective to gain that advantage likely
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caused a trade-off historically speaking and different groups and different geographies with different
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resource and limit and limitations are going to have different selective pressures which will lead to
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different lumpy skill sets it's exactly that as we can recognize this we can get better at getting away
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from this racialized idea which is a huge problem where people are like oh you are selecting for certain
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phenotypes of like in your kids the problem i have with genetic selection is everyone's going to select
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for the same stuff and it's like that's objectively not true especially because you're making trade-offs
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so one population might be selecting for certain types of verbal intelligence and one population
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might be selecting for specific types of spatial intelligence and it might turn out that selecting
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for one directly negatively affects the other which is what i think we're seeing in the data here
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totally continue after conducting an extensive search the only other research we found that supports the
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jewish competency hypothesis with iq data are two papers both published in 1976 what's with this
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subject in the 1970s right one by julius romanoff who has only been cited by five five other times
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suggests an average jewish iq of 115 the other cited 42 times by victor cicerelli compared jewish
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sixth grade students to those representing the general population and found the jewish participants to have
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a seven point iq advantage a final source of evidence we have yet to address but which may prove us wrong
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relates to the high iq correlated polygenic risk scores being higher in jewish populations while we
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find this evidence uniquely compelling we hesitate to update our beliefs based on this finding alone
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after seeing so many people misquote and misinterpret research we also wonder if these polygenic risk
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scores are picking up iq correlated traits that grant jews a verbal advantage more acutely than others
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in short outside a few highly ideologically motivated studies the strongest data-backed claim that a
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person can reasonably make about jewish iq differences is that ashkenazi jews have a marginally
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better verbal iq and math skills which is offset by marginally lower visual spatial intelligence and
00:28:20.720
reasoning like five to ten percent in both directions it is really weird that people always mention ashkenazi jews
00:28:28.040
higher verbal and math scores but almost never bring up their equally lower non-verbal reasoning scores
00:28:33.520
which is what leads to the neutral effect on iq overall if you are like us you're probably now
00:28:39.960
thinking that there must be other studies out there but richard lynn is right margaret backman
00:28:45.860
really published quote the only one study of the intelligence of american jews in the last half century
00:28:52.160
which appears to be representative and had a reasonable sample size unquote
00:28:56.140
we went over a number of meta studies and they mostly pulled from the above-sided papers
00:29:01.700
there are three alternate hypotheses we have seen thrown around
00:29:05.980
one that jews have a non-standard curve in their iq
00:29:09.900
i.e. there are more jews at the extreme high and low end of the curve
00:29:16.960
two the jewish exceptionalism actually comes from some mental health conditions occurring at higher
00:29:23.100
rates in the jewish community but again the evidence is fairly weak see the article on the
00:29:28.840
footnote for a detailed exploration of this hypothesis citation
00:29:32.000
basically it says like autism and stuff like that is higher in the jewish population and that explains
00:29:38.280
and three marginally higher verbal and math iq alone explains all jewish success
00:29:45.060
this theory seems possible to us though the world would be a much less interesting place if it is
00:29:52.240
readers who spend a lot of time online might vaguely remember that some youtuber post an argument along
00:30:01.340
the youtuber who scratched the surface of this argument motivating us to dig deeper
00:30:08.860
who's biased against jews citation led to motivated reasoning as can be demonstrated by
00:30:15.480
his choice to cite backman's 1972 data when talking about
00:30:19.320
lynn's 2004 research and leaving out some studies we do address here
00:30:24.600
uber soy on youtube quote-unquote debunked his argument
00:30:28.660
though his rebuttal fails to address the problem that there is no large well-conducted study demonstrating
00:30:34.520
that jews have dramatically higher general intelligence neglects to mention that the
00:30:39.060
largest most respected study in the space only showed a one percent difference in iq
00:30:44.300
and doesn't acknowledge that researchers have manipulatively measured only verbal iq
00:30:49.500
while implying that their findings are representative of general iq citation
00:30:54.460
so here i know if people don't know the leather apron club channel i actually think it's a pretty
00:30:58.900
good channel in regards to the way he delivers arguments and stuff like that so basically the
00:31:04.740
point i'm making here is i think leather apron club was actually right even though he sort of
00:31:11.440
manipulated the way he was presenting the data to convince his audience of what he wanted them to
00:31:16.140
believe which is that they're you know jews do not have an iq advantage and i don't have any
00:31:21.020
animosity to him i mean he's he's targeting a audience that's far to the right of our audience
00:31:26.040
and so he is basically i mean his channel is about in an intelligent way telling super super
00:31:32.520
far right-leaning people what they want to believe is true you you get a feel of you watch
00:31:36.320
his channel but you can still learn stuff from his channel you know even if you agree with somebody
00:31:39.960
it was his channel was the first where i had ever seen somebody really be like no there isn't a
00:31:45.220
high jewish genetic iq advantage you know no one has ever been asking those questions yeah like
00:31:52.220
why does nobody ask this this is also just so to me classic in terms of how many memes spread
00:31:58.220
where people think there's like this super robustly understood concept and yet it turns out that one
00:32:04.960
person said something once and then just people kept citing them and citing them and citing them
00:32:09.440
and you see this happen on wikipedia a lot too where trusted or reliable sources are cited from multiple
00:32:15.280
different angles confirming a quote-unquote fact when it turns out that just one quote of like a
00:32:21.940
supposedly reliable source actually posted something fake and then a bunch of other people and other
00:32:28.140
quote-unquote reliable sources as as deemed reliable by wikipedia standards and and voting and whatnot
00:32:33.760
then just cite that original yeah i think you get this problem so much worse when it's plausible
00:32:40.700
like the outside jewish success yeah um it just makes sense if you're like oh they're probably
00:32:49.200
smarter and we're not allowed to talk about that as a society yeah you know you're not allowed to
00:32:53.580
talk about like maybe some groups could be smarter than other groups and so what i think most other
00:32:58.380
intelligent people think is they're like yeah i mean that checks out yeah they're probably smarter
00:33:02.700
instead of instead of is it so there's not really a motivation like for me to challenge this assumption
00:33:08.660
of jews are smarter because it it would make a lot of weird things in our society otherwise make a lot
00:33:15.860
of sense and then you don't need to ask questions around them but we live in a more interesting world
00:33:20.560
if that's not the explanation for outside jewish success which we'll get into in a bit but continue
00:33:24.620
reading we suspect that ubersoy simply got so caught up in creating a strong counter argument that he
00:33:32.020
allowed himself to get taken in by the shell game lynn and others play with verbal iq there is
00:33:38.580
real reason to be skeptical that a markedly higher ashkenazi average iq is a genuine phenomenon
00:33:44.240
this is a great example of why an intellectually diverse cultural ecosystem is valuable leather
00:33:50.520
apron club's hatred of the jewish people caused him to question something we would have never thought
00:33:55.380
to question on our own that jews are smarter than the general population and that this intelligence
00:34:00.360
largely explains their disproportionate success ironically his catching the street hustlers in their
00:34:06.120
verbal iq shell game serves to undermine his larger agenda among people like us who don't think jewish
00:34:12.080
success can be explained by nepotism or an evil jewish cabal as it indicates there is something
00:34:18.000
genuinely valuable about jewish culture itself rather than just jewish genetics more on these points
00:34:23.840
shortly if jewish people did have significantly higher iqs elements of jewish cultural success would be very
00:34:31.120
hard if not impossible to replicate through the intentional creation of a family culture if however
00:34:36.880
most jewish success comes from a purely cultural edge and the network that culture provides elements
00:34:43.120
of jewish success can theoretically be replicated all this assumes that jewish success is not just a
00:34:49.200
product of slightly higher verbal and mathematical iq which appears to be robustly attested we aren't
00:34:55.040
dwelling on that possibility because it is probably not the case and boring if true fun side note there
00:35:01.920
is an entire niche industry focused around trying to copy jewish culture in china with books and titles
00:35:07.120
like become rich like a jew citation to make money with the jews and jewish people and business the bible
00:35:15.360
of how to live their lives citation you can never get away with this in the u.s make money like jew yeah
00:35:22.960
oh beautiful finally some portion of readers will see jews not being particularly smarter than everyone
00:35:32.240
else yet still ending up in their positions of power as definitive proof that something nefarious is
00:35:38.240
afoot the jews are somehow conspiring to control our democracy first let us emphatically guarantee you
00:35:45.120
that there is no intentional jewish conspiracy there are enough stupid jews with low self-control
00:35:51.040
as there are with any large enough population that the mechanisms of this system would be revealed
00:35:56.880
if it did exist jews find it just as confusing that they outcompete other groups as outsiders do
00:36:03.440
there's no shadowy group advancing their careers any more than there is a shadowy group of catholics
00:36:09.120
slotting church members disproportionately into positions on the supreme court if you are wondering
00:36:14.640
on what authority we can state so emphatically that there is no secret society of jews controlling
00:36:19.760
the world read quote the jewish cabal theory unquote in uh in the appendix um again buy our
00:36:26.640
book the pragmatist guide to crafting religion i've got a note here on the the supreme court thing because
00:36:32.400
people might not know this and we talked about this earlier in the book 20 of americans are catholic
00:36:37.040
but in the last supreme court cycle when we wrote the book 80 of the supreme court was raised in the
00:36:41.520
catholic house so do we take that to mean that there's a shadowy group of catholics controlling
00:36:45.680
our society like no i just think that something about catholic culture which we talk about what
00:36:51.120
in catholic culture in the episode about the great replacement that already happened or what what how
00:36:57.520
catholics changed america i think is what we call the the episode yeah it goes into why catholics do so
00:37:02.160
much better in the legal profession due to cultural and not genetic reasons anyway continue
00:37:08.000
while jews do benefit from nepotism they don't benefit more from it than other groups that share
00:37:14.240
a strong sense of cultural identity like mormons and catholics we would even go so far as to argue
00:37:20.320
the jewish networks are less nepotistic and supportive than those belonging to jehovah's
00:37:25.600
witnesses and scientologists anyone living in the u.s has access to these kinds of nepotistic
00:37:31.760
networks through various groups they can choose to join heck these days the effective altruist
00:37:36.480
community's nepotistic network will help people more than the jewish network and it is open to all
00:37:43.120
seriously like people are like oh jews are nepotistic yeah jews are nepotistic catholics
00:37:48.720
are nepotistic the scientologists are nepotistic sororities and fraternities are nepotistic that's
00:37:53.600
why people join them for the quote-unquote career advancement they are jews are not super nepotistic
00:37:58.800
by that i mean they don't have some disproportionate ability to be nepotistic or i i i and again as
00:38:06.240
people who associate with lots of jews i have not seen them be more nepotistic than i have seen other
00:38:13.840
groups be if anything i've actually seen them be a little less nepotistic because the way that jewish
00:38:20.800
nepotism works in my experience actually is more of cultural fit nepotism so mo and i often get
00:38:29.200
benefits from jewish individuals in terms of like hiring us and stuff like that because we like vibe with jews
00:38:34.880
jews um it also just seems to be more meritocratic so those who within jewish networks broadly are able
00:38:42.080
to meritocratically show themselves to be the most expert or capable tend to rise so assuming that you
00:38:49.200
are within that and you're the best then you rise but like it's not your inherent jewishness that gets
00:38:54.880
you there it's it's i guess it's we'll say playing by the jewish value system or cultural system and being
00:39:00.400
within the broader network that seems to be the biggest thing whereas in the lds church you need
00:39:05.680
temple recommends in the ea community you have to say exactly the right things and champion exactly
00:39:11.840
the right causes and invest a lot of time like everyone has their separate rule set they're all
00:39:15.920
slightly different sports but yeah it is a pretty open sport if jewish people aren't somehow
00:39:22.640
cheating to get ahead in society how are they doing it well we don't have a strong answer we suspect our
00:39:27.600
private dinner parties at which we host people we think might change the course of world history
00:39:32.240
grant some insight around two percent of the u.s population is jewish and yet somehow when we
00:39:37.840
select high potential for impact guests at what to us feels like random around 50 or more end up jewish
00:39:45.680
how is this random selection method for people we think have a high likelihood of changing the world
00:39:50.640
pulling up mostly jews when inviting people to these dinners we often send out cold invitations to
00:39:56.480
people who recently wrote something online that we found intellectually stimulating or controversial
00:40:01.440
in a way that engages us it seems if you send cold invitations to creators of intellectually engaging
00:40:06.640
blogs podcasts and sub stacks a huge portion of them will be jewish why jewish culture encourages
00:40:12.560
adherence to invest time in the types of public discourse that can feel pointless even socially
00:40:18.000
dangerous to members of most other cultures this higher likelihood to speak publicly when others would
00:40:24.400
feel social pressure to stay quiet may also explain at least in part the preponderance of jewish
00:40:29.360
comedians something we discussed in detail in the chapter relation to pleasure in the arts on
00:40:36.080
so if you go to the the proportion of jewish comedians is insanely high i remember it was like one was looking
00:40:42.720
it was like 92 percent of like new york comedians in the 70s or something were jewish it was insanely high
00:40:48.560
and so when you look at this you're like okay so there's something pushing jewish people
00:40:52.960
to outcomes that lead them to be more visible for their controversial ideas and here you could say
00:41:00.080
okay because i think when people are contrasting jews to the general population
00:41:04.720
they the the mistake is is you shouldn't think of this as how are jews different from the general
00:41:09.920
population it's how are jews different from specific other populations that aren't getting these benefits
00:41:16.080
so let's contrast jews here with wasps that's white anglo-saxon protestants in america in wasp culture
00:41:22.560
which i'm sure many of our audience are familiar with would it be seen as high status to have
00:41:28.320
published a controversial like op-ed or sub stack post no you go to your family meeting and you'd be
00:41:35.040
shamed people would be like why are you doing all that weird stuff out there right you know stop
00:41:39.280
saying that weird stuff it's making everyone look at us like we're weird but within the jewish circles
00:41:45.360
people you go you know you go back to your family and they're like oh that was really cool how
00:41:49.040
you did that thing that no one else had thought before and so why are jews being socially rewarded
00:41:55.040
for this is interesting so keep going across all layers of jewish culture from rituals shavrusa
00:42:02.880
i know i butchered that to internal hierarchy the rabbinic system debate skill is both practiced
00:42:08.480
and rewarded at an unparalleled level vis-a-vis other cultures those who grew up in jewish culture
00:42:14.000
will therefore more enthusiastically call bullshit on society because their cultural framing trained
00:42:18.720
them to emotionally reward themselves for doing so it's not that jews are smarter than other people
00:42:24.880
are on average it's that when individual jews are smarter they're more likely to speak up in ways
00:42:29.840
to get them noticed essentially when not using pre-existing accreditation networks like the
00:42:34.880
universities guilds or secret societies individuals looking for the smartest people in society to hire and
00:42:40.800
befriend are going to search for people writing or saying engaging stuff in a public context and
00:42:46.160
those people are disproportionately jewish this gives jews a little used side path to power jews access
00:42:53.280
this side path not because they're smarter but because they have a cultural compulsion to share
00:42:57.920
engaging ideas publicly at higher rates take the top 10 controversial online intellectuals you like to
00:43:03.840
follow focus on those you believe you chose without any outside influence small blogs undiscovered
00:43:09.520
podcasts and the like and try to determine whether they have jewish ancestry we think you will be
00:43:15.280
surprised and if our theory is accurate it means jewish over-representation in positions of power
00:43:21.040
will increase with the sustained rise in internet culture this theory does not explain why among the
00:43:26.400
highest ranked chess players 51 have at least one jewish parent when deciding whether or not valid keep that
00:43:32.480
in mind and it doesn't explain something else and it gets something wrong there in my little prediction is the
00:43:40.240
rapid crash of jewish exceptionalism look at iq it was what is it like nobel prize winners over time the percent
00:43:50.480
that are jewish has been dropping dramatically over the past 20 years or so and you actually see this in other areas of
00:43:56.480
jewish exceptionalism was the rate dropping dramatically as to why the rate of jewish exceptionalism is
00:44:01.840
dropping dramatically i suspect it actually has a lot to do with in for example the noel prize
00:44:08.080
asian competition it's that over that period asian countries that got higher access to nutrition
00:44:15.040
ended up reaching their iq potentiality their cultural iq potentiality which allowed them to compete
00:44:20.400
in these marketplaces but i also think that when you look at like the nuance of the subject and you
00:44:24.800
actually dig into it you try to find out what's actually going on you see why the focus on racializing
00:44:31.280
iq is often so wrong-headed and gets you to really wrong-headed interpretations which can cause you to
00:44:38.640
make decisions that are very bad or develop world schema that are very bad that leads you to for example
00:44:46.160
perceive like what why does it matter you know that you don't come into these schemas well it matters
00:44:52.160
because then you might end up perceiving jews as maybe having some sort of like cabal or nepotistic
00:44:57.760
framework and and that's why they're getting ahead and so then maybe you are like well i can't have too
00:45:03.120
many jews working in my company or they'll build this nepotistic network and now your company has lost
00:45:08.000
access to like really high quality talent or you waste time fighting a group that really you have no
00:45:14.080
beef with you know you look at like a leather apron club and it's like well many of the best people at
00:45:18.960
pushing right leaning politics in the united states like ben shapiro and stuff like that are jewish like
00:45:24.640
you you you can't yeah that's my take there this piece actually then goes much further talking about
00:45:32.800
jews and communism which is to say that g's are not actually actually we have time to read this because
00:45:37.680
you got 10 minutes and then you're cutting off right so why don't you read this section okay it's
00:45:42.080
pretty interesting in researching this subject we came across an interesting and widely believed conspiracy
00:45:47.920
theory that jews were overrepresented among the bolshevik communists who took over russia we say
00:45:54.400
this is interesting as digging into the stats actually presents the opposite question why were
00:45:59.440
so few jews represented among the bolsheviks jews only made up around three percent of highly ranked
00:46:05.760
bolsheviks well this is an over representation of jews it is dramatically below what one would expect
00:46:11.760
given jewish over representation in other areas of power for a deeper well-sourced discussion of this
00:46:17.520
check out the wikipedia article citation in short it looks like there were far far fewer jews in the
00:46:23.440
upper level of the communist party than one would expect anecdotally simone's jewish side of the
00:46:28.800
family had to leave russia because they were white russians people who fought for the support of the
00:46:33.760
czar we suppose the lack of jewish support for bolsheviks shouldn't be surprising based on the fact that
00:46:39.760
the communist government of russia later specifically targeted jews to be eliminated as a cultural group
00:46:45.440
citation this should not be surprising given that karl marx was wildly anti-semitic quote what is the
00:46:52.560
worldly religion of the jew huckstering what is his worldly god money an organization of society which
00:47:00.160
would abolish the preconditions of huckstering and therefore the possibility of huckstering would make
00:47:06.000
the jew impossible unquote marx furthermore complained that jews were quote reproducing like
00:47:12.480
lice unquote while some claim marx made statements like these in an attempt to hide his pro-jewish
00:47:18.800
inclinations as he had some jewish ancestry citation the fact that marx's goal was the systematic
00:47:25.520
elimination of judaism as a cultural identity would make such obfuscation conspiratorial in the extreme
00:47:32.240
citation there but yeah um it's just insane like yeah like his first book or something i think it
00:47:41.440
was his first because one of his books karl marx's was like the jewish problem um like communism is not
00:47:47.360
an ideology that is friendly to jewish individuals um or the jewish cultural group and it has not had a
00:47:54.320
historically like if you look at our own government if you look at the disproportional representation of
00:47:58.720
like jews in congress and stuff like that way way way way above what you had with the bolsheviks so
00:48:05.200
it's like it's just not true there isn't a connection there do you want to keep you have
00:48:10.960
time to read the this last outro here yeah generally generally we would shy away from conversations that
00:48:19.760
attempt to tie an iq trend to a specific ethnic group but this particular instance warrants discussion
00:48:25.520
because people use the myth of jews higher iq to dismiss the role jewish culture plays in their
00:48:30.960
success obviously given the topic of this book the pragmatist guide to religion from which we're
00:48:35.600
reading just a reminder you should check it out and give it a five-star review on amazon this myth is
00:48:41.440
very important for us to dispel we shy away from the top of kick from the topic of iq trends as they
00:48:47.680
broadly relate to ethnic groups for two reasons first as you can see from the case of claims around jewish
00:48:53.600
iq data used to prove this stuff is often far more shaky than those who would authoritatively
00:48:59.840
share it may imply second note here because because society says you will be shamed and you will be
00:49:08.480
attacked if you publicly mention that there might be as you know iq differences between ethnic or cultural
00:49:14.160
groups it leads people to be like well i know that if jews had a much higher iq than other groups
00:49:21.520
people wouldn't be allowed to say that you know like people in universities and people in positions
00:49:25.680
of power in our society wouldn't be allowed to say that without risk of being fired so when i hear
00:49:30.320
some random person online to say it was authority it must be true because i know that i wouldn't get
00:49:37.200
it from positions of power right but this is the problem you get across sort of this research around
00:49:43.200
race and iq and stuff like that is because everybody knows that the mainstream power players can't say
00:49:52.000
this stuff when they see minor people say this stuff they're like oh it must be true because so so
00:50:00.240
basically the urban monoculture in shaming talk of this makes the sources that do try to elevate it
00:50:06.960
feel much more believable to your average well-intentioned person they're just like oh well they must
00:50:12.400
have a higher iq it's just we can't talk about it or act as if they do because that could lead to
00:50:17.040
racism or whatever when the actual truth of all this is much more interesting totally
00:50:23.680
second even if iq does vary across ethnic groups such variation is largely irrelevant as of our
00:50:30.400
generation and any variation would be totally irrelevant going forward in our species the idea of one
00:50:37.120
ethnicity being superior to another along any number of measures is nonsensical in a world in
00:50:42.800
which families can create their own vision of the ubermensch in just a few generations through the
00:50:48.160
use of ivg and polygenic risk score selection objectively the more cultural and genetic diversity
00:50:54.000
there is in the genetic pools that uplift themselves through technology the more robust and safe the future
00:50:59.920
of our species will be when performing intentional genetic selection at the level of individual genes
00:51:05.760
rather than ethnic groups the more colors of paint on the palette the better whenever we hear someone
00:51:11.760
talking about ethnic iq differences we feel like we just broke into the big bad's lair at the end of
00:51:18.240
an action movie to find him monologuing about the sharpness of the masterfully honed samurai sword
00:51:23.840
he used to win many impressive historic battles waving it around like a goofus bro we have guns
00:51:30.480
fully automatic guns no one cares about your samurai sword
00:51:36.480
that's great well i have on this top nobody is that way you know it is it's so dumb it's so dumb
00:51:49.440
but that that's what's so satisfying about racism in general is that it is like
00:51:53.600
it's dumber when you consider that in the developed world yeah rapidly rapidly fast
00:52:01.520
iq is falling we all have another podcast in the developed world it looks like we're gonna have a
00:52:05.360
one standard deviation decline in iq within the next 75 years that is stunning but it also means that if
00:52:12.560
you're like oh this group has like i don't know one quarter of a standard deviation higher iq than this
00:52:18.640
group it's like well that won't be relevant within literally one to two generations of today like so
00:52:25.680
why are we talking about this the thing that matters is the people who do polygenic selection
00:52:30.960
versus the people who don't do polygenic selection or the people who do genetic modification versus
00:52:35.760
people who don't do genetic modification it's not an ethno group thing or at least some form of like
00:52:41.680
how a group is choosing its mates is gonna matter a lot right so i just yeah it's it's it's sad
00:52:48.560
and pathetic when i see people try to make fights about this given that it's just not relevant
00:52:53.840
anymore if you are a forward thinking instead of backwards thinking person it it really matters but i i
00:52:59.680
would say in the same vein we also need to be honest here that while there aren't like meaningful
00:53:06.160
iq differences between ethnic groups that are going to be persistent there are between individuals
00:53:11.760
and that's one thing that our society really needs to get over is people who had huge advantages
00:53:18.240
in their lives because you know that's who we're usually talking to like i'll be talking to a
00:53:21.520
friend at like stanford business school and they'll be like everyone's born exactly genetically the same
00:53:27.440
everyone had the same shot at getting into stanford business school as i had you know and i'm like
00:53:32.320
that is just not true you had a huge amount of systemic privilege over other people yeah you're
00:53:38.160
likely born smarter than your peer group and this it's really bad in the pull yourself up by your own
00:53:44.560
bootstraps crew where they didn't come from wealthy families so they don't know to have any level of
00:53:49.440
humility around why they were able to achieve things and their peer group wasn't they're just
00:53:53.440
like well my peer group is lazy and pathetic and terrible you know the bill cosby effect i guess i'd call
00:53:59.040
and it's like no you likely had a genetic advantage that other specific individuals in that group didn't
00:54:04.720
have and that should give you more compassion for their situation but it also matters when you look at
00:54:10.560
society more broadly and is this effect going to increase i mean obviously this is the other thing
00:54:15.280
when i say to people like as soon as you realize that there's a genetic correlate to iq it's like
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and you can see that's being really heavily selected against right like the beginning of idiocracy
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ain't a joke as the 21st century began human evolution was at a turning point natural selection
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began to favor different traits with no natural predators within the herd it began to reward those
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who reproduce the most having kids is such an important decision we're just waiting for the
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right time it's not something you want to rush into obviously oh shit i'm pregnant again
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i got too many damn kids there's no way we could have a child now not with the market the way it is
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no come on over here he don't care about you well we finally decided to have children
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and i'm not pointing fingers but it's not going well
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and so it went for generations although few if any seem to notice like that's obviously happening
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like obviously obviously happening if you look at the data or if you just anecdotally look around you
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in the world and this is something that we need to take seriously because a lot of people are going
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to suffer and die if we don't yeah uh okay i'm gonna hop on my call do you want lasagna or do you
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want reheated indian food because i have lasagna in the fridge now reheated indian food and then we'll do
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a lasagna tomorrow tomorrow all right is and it's just all in the fridge yeah it's a it's a full thing
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of mango chicken because i want me to pan pan fry it and then steam some rice uh pan fry it but put
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in a little bit of coconut milk so that you can cut off if you have you don't have any open coconut
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milk right if i don't then open a can you don't want whole milk instead as a base no okay coconut
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milk i love you i love you too hmm your mom continues to impact me and i think of her phrases all the
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time still which was like well we were just you know based on our conversation right now i just keep
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thinking and i titled our our stream yard thing intelligent j-o-o's and it was your mom that got me started on that
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she's like oh i used to do that i got her no no yeah she got me started on that it was from south
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park originally yeah but it was originally from south park all right look i didn't want to have
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to say this but i think maybe we're not seeing heaven because one of us doesn't believe in it enough
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huh heaven could be like the pixie fairies of bubble yum forest you only see them if you really believe
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in them what you know maybe we're not seeing heaven because one of us is a j-o-o but your mom
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popularized it within our family because she's so hip to everything