Based Camp - The Joe Rogan Crash Out About Us

00:00:00.000 hello simone we had a big segment on us in the joe rogan podcast the collinses so first of all

00:00:09.300 that feminist if you watch the video the feminist is saying absolute stupid shit it's a little

00:00:15.440 disingenuous it reminds me of a of a ben shapiro arguing with a stupid college kid but he won't

00:00:20.880 argue with somebody who knows anything right it's clearly they found this dumb bitch to to put her

00:00:27.100 out there because you could clear up the misconception in five seconds sweetie no no i'm not

00:00:31.800 saying somebody's better or worse humans are genetically diverse it's not a bad thing that

00:00:36.220 i'm not saying it's a better or a good thing i'm saying there is no scientific evidence i'm just

00:00:41.400 saying genetically it's different just because you have a different color the genes that code their

00:00:45.680 skin color their level of melanin production are different from my genes you have no idea how

00:00:51.740 infuriating it is to have a debate about you go viral and apparently everyone has seen this and

00:00:56.180 then have people criticize you for not saying this and not saying that when you said literally

00:01:02.180 exactly those things even just in the like minute and a half edited clip that was released and did

00:01:09.800 make it through the media filters at the very least joe rogan isn't buying into this and is like no this

00:01:14.900 is just regular media people i don't think they can find someone who's better that's where i think you're

00:01:19.980 wrong find what someone who's better at being a journalist that's where i think you're wrong i think so

00:01:25.280 many of those people are like her where they're just indoctrinated into this certain way of thinking

00:01:30.100 and talking and they they just wouldn't even imagine saying there's genetic differences in the

00:01:34.720 races because it's so probably it's so charles murray it's so problematic you can get canceled for it

00:01:40.280 so they'll just spout out stuff that they haven't researched at all where one of his guests

00:01:46.280 completely crashes out about us and goes on this wild conspiracy theory about our background

00:01:53.940 the family if you ever saw johnny depp made a remake of it with the visa vampire

00:01:58.460 barnabas collins oh yeah yeah dark shadows dark shadows yeah the 70s one yeah that's about a real

00:02:03.800 family they were the they're they're supposed to claim to fame as being the first warlocks or some

00:02:07.720 shit in america with the puritans those were supposedly americans they're an old bloodline family

00:02:12.160 it's supposed to be taking place in new england that's where it's supposed to be taking place

00:02:15.460 what that's the same family yeah as the other collins yeah it's about them you gotta double

00:02:21.980 check that royalty bloodline royalty and yeah dark shadows was based on that collins family that is

00:02:28.260 crazy barnabas collins and so we're going to go over this because a lot of people thought that i

00:02:33.980 would have a negative reaction to this and it's like no like this is the coolest thing that has ever

00:02:39.900 happened i tried to seed conspiracy theories about me in media for years like this is like some kid

00:02:47.260 at school let me let me okay so you're in high school right like when i was in high school this

00:02:51.800 is the generation where all the girls are into like vampire books and everything like that and somebody

00:02:56.820 it's by the way this was part of his conspiracy somebody somebody is convinced that i am a vampire

00:03:02.780 and go from some big rant in front of the entire student body about how malcolm is a secret vampire

00:03:09.680 with dark magical powers i do not come out of that as simply people you're sitting there being like

00:03:14.920 oh yes that is definitely i can't confirm or deny any of this so hey annie i i heard that a lot of

00:03:22.720 the other girls think i'm a secret magical vampire man this is what i dreamed about every day

00:03:29.840 and ironically the show is a good depiction of what growing up in the collins family is like

00:03:35.380 15 and no husband you must put those birthing hips to good use at once lest your womb shrivel up

00:03:43.780 and die so i want to go into it because i also think it's interesting just sort of his world perspective

00:03:50.340 and if any part of his world perspective like seems cogent to you i would seriously ask that you sort of

00:03:58.360 rethink how you see reality because you're likely making a lot of mistaken assumptions about like

00:04:05.640 online celebrities and famous people that are leading you to very seriously misunderstand their

00:04:11.560 lives and so we're going to go into what he gets wrong about us and what other people get wrong about

00:04:17.360 us as well because this is something that we've seen in other media about us there's this big podcast

00:04:20.900 series what's it called simone the one about ill conceived ill conceived yes it was promoted by the

00:04:25.960 guardian it's about the natalist movement the pro natalist movement it was provided by the guardian

00:04:30.300 from what i've heard yeah but they refuse to cover us and they'll say they refuse to cover us they'll

00:04:37.120 cover like what are what are some of the like wider they talked about biology they had a whole episode

00:04:42.020 on biology they had all the shit on musk lineman stone a bunch of obviously christian conservative

00:04:48.040 influencers they talk around us a lot like it's very pop up against their consent you know it's hard to

00:04:56.700 not yeah uh so they yeah so this is actually interesting because it's something that we're

00:05:01.420 beginning to see on the left now is the very concept of malcolm and simone has become something

00:05:07.220 of an info hazard on the left info hazard that's the word i was looking for right yes yes like they are

00:05:12.760 they they they basically see what we do and that we do it well and they know that by touching us

00:05:19.560 they promote our agenda and that we are trying to get them to do that right like and along the themes

00:05:25.860 though of this this subject and what kurt's kurt metzger talked about in this episode with with joe

00:05:32.600 rogan they ascribe so much more agency to us or like not agency but like connection and power to us than

00:05:38.720 we actually have like oh we have really good publicists and all this and i'm like no we no

00:05:43.940 we don't like i want to i want to yeah i want to talk about all that first because i actually

00:05:47.040 malcolm's lying prone on his bed surrounded by trash

00:05:51.060 we're like asthma gold without the money okay we've got we've got the mice

00:05:58.860 oh my i got two more last night basically every time i put out mouse traps it like for the past two

00:06:05.660 weeks no this winter i i mean i've got to set them up in my room but the kids keep on insisting

00:06:09.740 on sleeping in my room last night two kids insisted on sleeping i'm trying to get it out of the way

00:06:14.980 quicker to do do it in batches but anyway so on a pillow oh god and it's well honestly because

00:06:22.660 there's so much trash accumulated in your room it's kind of like nesting you just kind of form a trash

00:06:26.120 nest and like yes yes so what these people said about me is they they they said oh is it so funny

00:06:32.620 so the the podcast that's like afraid of us and views us as like an info hazard and we're

00:06:37.380 actually seeing this wider leftist circle zone they basically realize that they cannot fight us

00:06:41.860 with ideas and the best thing to do is just prevent anyone from knowing we exist because the moment

00:06:48.100 they do they have lost which is great i love it well the other approach that i've seen people take

00:06:53.480 is instead of if they if someone does cover us they just don't say the truth they just say that

00:07:02.680 we are eugenicists who abuse their children and that's not an accurate representation of the truth

00:07:09.940 but what i love about the joe rogan appearance is this guy didn't even go on something like that he

00:07:14.000 didn't even mention the child no no but keep in mind this is this is the two hour 15 minute mark

00:07:18.940 in a very long episode in which they talk about altered states and internet propaganda and elites

00:07:25.040 and dolphins and you know but it was about a 15 minute take like i know but like they had been

00:07:30.400 spending the whole time talking about conspiracies and like cults and and like the elite conspiring

00:07:37.500 so you know point here being we're gonna we're gonna get to a few points here so that so he's talking

00:07:43.020 about us and and they're talking about us and i'll go over them first because they they are saners so

00:07:47.440 we're gonna start with the saner and then go more insane they're like oh malcolm and simone must have

00:07:51.860 this amazing publicist like whoever that is hire them and if you're familiar with us you know we

00:07:58.740 don't have the money to have a publicist like we we are we've actually worked with publicists in the

00:08:04.480 past we've worked but not publicist pr teams i think three three years ago when we raised money

00:08:11.000 to build our school we hired i think for two months or maybe three months a pr firm really great people

00:08:17.580 to try to help us promote the school and it produced one press post in entrepreneur and then

00:08:25.880 a couple of well i think like am radio station no no that was with another guy on upwork they

00:08:31.440 produced some am radio station appearance yes so we got like extremely small reach and it will compare

00:08:37.160 to us today to us today i mean we've been in the new york times like last year like 20 times or

00:08:41.980 something like we've been in every technically look this up but i don't feel like it right now

00:08:46.180 it's in the spreadsheet but basically we're just constantly in the news these days like i i have

00:08:51.640 a news filter on myself and it just comes up all the time and i love it i love it but the point being

00:08:56.320 is is we do all this and and a lot of people who do this a lot of the people you see in the news

00:09:00.980 so like nick fuentes for example probably does not have a pr right one even like case in point

00:09:07.000 joe rogan doesn't have a booker for example he just reaches out to people that he finds interesting

00:09:11.760 like a lot of these and that's what has changed about media now and people don't really realize

00:09:16.140 it i think when they come more from legacy media that there are no longer staffs we have the technology

00:09:22.620 to do it by ourselves and i think that's something that's really interesting about the difference

00:09:26.820 between channels like ours and a lot of other new media channels and then channels like philosophy

00:09:32.060 tube where there's still this feeling like i'm going to do it the way it was done in the past

00:09:36.500 where i have a makeup artist and i have the lighting and i have a crew and we do a shoot day

00:09:40.620 and we have you know a line producer and no no that this is an old time people don't realize that

00:09:48.320 just because this is how it used to be doesn't mean it's the right thing for this format for example

00:09:53.080 television shows and movies used to be directed and shot like stage plays because that's what

00:09:58.820 people were used to before but then we dropped that because we realized like well we don't actually

00:10:03.220 have to do things like stage plays because you know there's so many important possibilities

00:10:07.960 opened up by film and yeah i think that that's something yeah we don't people don't do publicists

00:10:12.920 anymore but the wider point here is that and people are like how do you do this like we just have

00:10:18.420 reporters who just call us and why do we have reporters who call us because we've had other reporters

00:10:22.420 who call us it's just like a snowball effect yeah and the the the article that started the snowball

00:10:27.500 effect was on genetic technology right like it was all yeah no so i would say that the seed crystal of

00:10:33.160 it all and the tactic that i wouldn't encourage to anyone else who was like i i want to you know sort

00:10:37.280 of get a toe dipped into this is to be willing to talk about something or able to talk about something

00:10:43.560 that is trending and that other people are not willing to talk about the reason we first got covered

00:10:48.940 in bloomberg about apologetic risk score testing was because we were i think one of two couples

00:10:56.580 in all time that told genomic prediction oh yeah we will be customers testimonials for you and so

00:11:04.000 when a when when bloomberg reached out to genomic prediction and said hey we want to interview some

00:11:09.500 of your customers because that's you know we need the human face for our story we were there and very

00:11:14.660 very few parents are willing to talk about this because it's controversial and you get pilloried

00:11:18.460 for it and so if you can find that you are willing to talk about something that other people don't want

00:11:23.780 to be associated with it's too toxic or that's just too difficult or esoteric to be an expert on

00:11:28.700 then you're in basically because people what i wanted to expand from this is a lot of people they're like

00:11:35.160 i wish the pronatalist movement wasn't bundled with the polygenic screening stuff you know the embryo

00:11:41.560 selection designer baby stuff and what they often don't realize is that stuff is the only reason the

00:11:48.780 pronatalist movement ever took off as a concept all of the modern non-christian pretty like the tech

00:11:55.360 pronatalist movement yeah well well hold on no the the quote-unquote christian pronatalist movement never

00:12:00.720 took off it was never big it it took off as a river full movement in like the late 90s but it is not

00:12:08.300 a modern phenomenon and if you look at searches for it it's basically nothing it's actually a really

00:12:13.300 good point yeah modern pronatalist movement and we have an episode on that if you want to go into like

00:12:17.380 how that movement fell apart and everything but the modern pronatalist movement literally grew out of

00:12:23.400 a seed crystal of controversy around embryo selection that is what led to the media flares

00:12:31.320 that ended up creating enough attention that now we have a sustainable movement and conferences and

00:12:36.020 everything like that so unfortunately you can't disintermediate them because they were so one

00:12:41.900 came from the other it wasn't that the we used and this is something i think that people get wrong

00:12:46.020 they think that we use the the the pronatalist platform to promote polygenic screening stuff

00:12:52.580 when the reality is is that we use the polygenic screening platform to promote and normalize

00:12:59.260 the pronatalist stuff yeah next i want to go to what he said about us because i thought it was

00:13:04.440 really interesting it's like a world perspective and it's yeah you are so he said that what we did

00:13:10.300 by the way he thinks we're billionaires well i think it's likely because why would you be hooked in

00:13:14.860 with a secret invite only bilderberg of tech group unless you were the secret of all these secret

00:13:20.880 societies because they're billionaires are they yo are they very wealthy tech people dude duncan

00:13:26.440 doesn't understand this are they rich at all do you know oh yeah they're yeah the guy's a venture

00:13:31.040 capitalist you know the people that make everything good right you know why the doors fall off the

00:13:35.100 planes because of those fucking people note here when he's talking about doors falling off planes he's

00:13:39.500 clearly thinking of private equity and not venture capital or pe and not vc vcs invest in startups

00:13:48.480 pretty much everyone likes vcs there is very little reason to not like vcs a lot of people hate

00:13:54.720 private equity or pe's which invest in or buy large companies and then downsize or cut costs

00:14:03.020 other articles have called us billionaires we genuinely don't know how we're going to keep our

00:14:08.080 lights on next year at this point like that is how financially f we are right now because we don't

00:14:12.160 have jobs because we lost them due to our advocacy and so it's like what do we do next

00:14:15.140 that's why we're trying to build up the the chatbot system with our fab.ai but anyway

00:14:19.500 we we were one of our fans tried it recently and he's like oh my god like this it is comical how

00:14:26.920 much better it is in the other systems and i still think it has so many improvements it can

00:14:30.900 make with editing and sites which i'm working on i'm working on it gets better every day

00:14:34.060 but i wanted to to get to what he said about us so what he said about us was that we had using our

00:14:41.660 power and influence found intentionally the dumbest reporter in the world yes we had like

00:14:48.900 we we sought her out we sat down at our evil conference table and we're like how do we find

00:14:55.680 the dumbest journalist on the face of this planet yes he's imagining us like was the other shadowy

00:15:01.200 illuminati figures sitting at a table being like we need to find the dumbest journalist ever

00:15:05.940 get her to our house and then we went through hours of clips that we had we had filmed with her

00:15:13.420 and cut out just the one to make her look like an idiot and then like maybe paid her to post it on

00:15:19.380 her instagram or something we're like what he thinks we're trying to promote in a second because

00:15:24.260 that's also really interesting but that like we or organized it like that so for people who are

00:15:29.280 familiar of like what it actually is in our life we are death generally desperately fielding

00:15:34.560 reports from all incoming right like you cannot do outgoing reporter advocacy very much

00:15:41.040 no we've tried yeah even like when we go viral in the past whenever something would go viral

00:15:46.680 reach out to all the reporters we know and be like hey do you want to do this new story it never worked

00:15:50.380 no never no so all reporter stuff is inbound 100 so uh second we have no control over what they're

00:15:58.900 posting right like they come to our house that was a that was a day of filming and that was after

00:16:03.760 about five hours of filming when that one little clip happened and then i also i had no idea that

00:16:10.020 or neither of us did that paola was going to come because we were just speaking with a producer grace

00:16:15.060 so all of my like screening calls logistics scheduling everything was just chatting with

00:16:20.180 grace and then then one day paola shows up with uh a male video videographer and like that's it like

00:16:28.640 that that's our day right we like i don't honestly malcolm i think what what typically happens and i

00:16:35.320 think this happened with us and i feel really bad about this they'll come and introduce ourselves and

00:16:40.060 we'll literally be so kind of overwhelmed by just people being in our house and like whatever we don't

00:16:46.380 even know their names i had no idea who this person i didn't know who she was i had no neither of us knew

00:16:50.980 who she was so like not only is it did we not scout paola but we like literally had no idea who she was

00:16:58.360 and probably never remember her name for the entire duration of that day much to my profound embarrassment

00:17:04.140 but the but the point being is i i like it's important to understand when you see somebody on

00:17:10.000 the news or something like that they don't control what's being shown to you it is the news station that

00:17:16.380 controls what's being shown to you and it's generally after a long period of filming in addition to that

00:17:21.840 we don't control like what pieces are like what they're what's going to go out what's being said

00:17:27.780 about us how it's framed but then on the top of all this it was what he thought we were trying to

00:17:33.160 promote with this he's like that couple that looked traditional and see yeah what was that

00:17:39.440 traditional views actually has very strange views about religion the bottom line is these two that are

00:17:46.100 doing it that are trad oh yeah they're not trad you know they're they're some bizarre atheists

00:17:50.960 they're called techno puritans in their words yeah some book they think is divinely inspired is a

00:17:56.360 eugenesis book from the 1800s and i understand what they're saying as far as you know if let's say

00:18:01.680 10 years in the future they create that ai that is like that dude that means it has always happened

00:18:06.380 you can't think in past or future terms okay so you know they go are aliens us from the future well

00:18:11.840 maybe they're us from the past that doesn't you got to think of it as points in space and not

00:18:16.640 nothing with the timeline because that's not really how time works as you know right right so

00:18:21.560 dinosaurs they lived 150 whatever million years ago think of it as just like miles away instead of time

00:18:27.580 because that really if you're a 5d you know you know they go three spatial one time dimension to the

00:18:34.580 fourth dimension if you're the fifth one which would be the one above that that you don't think about

00:18:38.900 it that way at all okay so if at some point in the in the timeline somebody invented that that it has

00:18:44.940 always happened which is cool he actually seemed to understand a lot of our religious views which i

00:18:50.380 want to go into i appreciate that i do yeah yeah i appreciate god and i'm like you got it he's

00:18:56.120 antagonistic to our religious views yeah but he understood our religious views which i appreciate

00:19:01.300 yeah and i don't think that he attempted to mischaracterize them either outside of the which

00:19:07.060 was also interesting so so first of all you've got to understand this guy's background to understand

00:19:11.680 why this all was so weird to me yeah so what he thinks is we are like larping as traditionalists

00:19:19.380 to try to incept society with like a weirder agenda whereas the reality is is we would we

00:19:29.280 that that doesn't make sense if we engineered this clip going viral because this clip contains

00:19:36.580 nothing but a very generic traditionalist uh vibe and a very normal sort of genetics are real

00:19:44.740 message that pretty much any conservative or any sane person is going to get behind yeah so how is

00:19:49.680 that clip going viral pushing our weird religious beliefs are pushing our weird techno whatever

00:19:57.080 beliefs like it it makes no sense the fact that we in private have other beliefs is not pushed by

00:20:05.280 this clip going viral right it's it's a it's just a completely incoherent world perspective right

00:20:11.960 i i would need to like incept into the clip these other beliefs well maybe maybe like the idea if i'm

00:20:22.320 trying to make this conspiracy make sense we we scouted paola we got her to film this super dumb clip

00:20:28.500 then it goes viral and then people love us and then look look us up just like he did and then fall

00:20:34.960 down the rabbit hole because he started this whole this whole diversion in his conversation saying that

00:20:40.700 he watched that viral clip and then he fell down the rabbit hole of the collinses and so that was

00:20:46.680 supposed to be like this gateway drug this like yes but here's the weirder thing about all of this so

00:20:52.500 you hear all of this and my initial thought was somebody pearl clutching at how weird our religious

00:20:59.420 beliefs are generally people who do that are catholics like that's been my experience historically

00:21:05.220 is is when somebody's like how could they have these weird beliefs they generally if not that they're like

00:21:12.060 episcopalian or something boring right like one of the high church movements right this guy was

00:21:18.380 ordained as a jehovah's witness minister left the church and is currently an atheist yeah well and

00:21:25.520 for a little more color because you didn't really introduce him kurt metzger is a stand-up comedian i

00:21:31.740 mean he's he's he's most famous for his work on inside amy schumer where he wrote dozens of episodes

00:21:38.340 and won an emmy award and a peabody award for sketches including girl you don't need makeup he's he's

00:21:44.480 also like written for david chappelle and and comedy central roasts and and things like that he

00:21:49.060 he's a stand-up comedian like a very active like work no no but he doesn't but the thing is is like

00:21:53.980 he's defying at our weird religious beliefs and that we're like not doing christianity right

00:22:00.220 and he's literally not a christian like yeah but he has a christian background so i could still him be

00:22:06.400 see him being like god that's not a normal christian i rejected god and i know what god is and

00:22:11.920 it's an old white man in the sky and he hates and and i'll i'll note about his christian background

00:22:18.380 he by the way hates his time as a christian he says that the the the jehovah's witnesses stole

00:22:24.160 his childhood and made his childhood miserable right like a little rough aren't they they are

00:22:29.160 it's not an easy religion to grow up in but what i'm saying is is that the only time in his life when

00:22:33.060 he was a christian he effing hates right like why is he getting mad at us for doing christianity

00:22:40.320 wrong and i think what's very interesting here is i've begun to notice this now that i think about it

00:22:46.760 is the people who complain about us doing christianity wrong they are typically not really

00:22:53.000 like intense christians they're typically sunday school catholics or atheists like this guy like

00:22:59.640 atheist agnostic types like this guy who have a conception of what christianity is from like back

00:23:05.180 when they did it forever ago but if you look at people who are like nerds about being christians

00:23:10.080 like redeemed zoomer or something like this or like really nerdy catholics who we talk about

00:23:15.100 and we we talk to like a lot of our catholic friends like we get deep into theology and they're like

00:23:19.220 really interested in it these people i think are less guffawed by our weird beliefs because they know

00:23:25.180 that a lot of really nerdy christians who like dive deep into theology have really weird heterodox

00:23:32.980 beliefs because you just develop those if you really care about things yeah i i will note that

00:23:38.480 he the only place where he sort of misrepresented one of our beliefs is that we think god is ai

00:23:43.260 in the distant future so he's that they're atheists but oh do you know what they believe in the future

00:23:49.860 an ai is god oh that's my religion yeah it's it's uh it's called luciferianism and i'm like well i mean

00:23:58.820 i think they could be it could have something that is like whatever ai is millions of years from now

00:24:05.500 combined was like a human neural net of like the human population like ai could be a component of

00:24:11.320 it but i don't think it is ai right like in the same way that i don't think it is human in in the

00:24:17.440 way that we talk about humans today i i give him points for close enough yeah it's close well i think

00:24:23.680 that he puts us in the category of people who worship ai which we are definitely not because

00:24:28.020 there are people who do that who worship ai and i i don't think that we want to ally with ai we want

00:24:33.820 to ally with ai but we don't want to walk hand in hand into the future um but when we we talk about

00:24:40.060 concepts like god existing in the future and stuff like that a lot of like deep like like a lot of

00:24:46.700 christian people even people who are like really nerdy like like researchers and stuff like that they'll go

00:24:51.740 into this and they'll be like oh yeah i know ex-christian researcher who thinks that right like

00:24:56.320 a lot of our ideas as we prevent present them as a coherent whole like this is just transhumanist

00:25:03.160 mormon or this is just yeah whatever yeah they sound really weird as a cohesive whole but a lot of the

00:25:10.000 individual ideas like taken as a piece are something that otherwise mainstream the theological nerds

00:25:18.080 are aware of right like we just package them together in a really weird way so i thought that

00:25:23.180 that was pretty interesting the way that he sort of guffaws at the whole thing but he guffaws at the

00:25:27.100 thing because he's never really engaged is the communities that study this stuff intensely he's

00:25:32.300 only engaged in the communities that are obsessed with you know this is this is what is what is you

00:25:38.700 know normal to think and this is what's not normal to think right like sunday school christian as we

00:25:43.520 talk about it so i thought that was really interesting the other thing i thought was really

00:25:46.460 interesting is how he thinks about our religious beliefs and where they come from so he went on

00:25:52.700 how i'm from the collins family and that collins family and i am from that collins family i've

00:25:56.880 talked about on the show before if you know the history of the collins family but he's got to be

00:26:00.580 that one because that's a real important bloodline well let's find out if he is otherwise we're going

00:26:05.040 to get in trouble with him all right i mean techno puritan sounds a little new england to me

00:26:09.500 it does but i mean you're accusing him of being a part of a notorious family that might not be true

00:26:14.580 related through malc uh related through malcolm to dallas's prominent collins family oh he's that

00:26:20.220 kind of collins the late jim collins was malcolm you are right and i love that joe rogan fact check

00:26:25.260 this was like a ai right no with jamie his his assistant yeah but he has him do it right like

00:26:31.600 we are from like you know as we've mentioned like my grandfather was a congressman like

00:26:36.520 the the we have an episode on this oh brother where art though is about my direct ancestors

00:26:41.400 the free state of jones is about my ancestors you know braveheart is about my ancestors but pretty

00:26:47.880 much every scottish american is so i don't know why that well and sometimes apocryphes

00:26:53.220 there was one scottish family that like changed braveheart's history to try to make themselves

00:26:59.880 associated with it that's a different thing that's a different thing but anyway the the point

00:27:04.960 here being as no american scottish you know this thing you watch this you're descended from the

00:27:11.580 bruises i don't know why just a thing but a and even the book on the illuminati bloodlines of the

00:27:17.540 illuminati mentions my family so like he's familiar with the conspiracy theories right like he knows the

00:27:21.860 stuff right and mentions my dad is one of the leaders of the illuminati so presumably i'm the

00:27:25.980 oldest male in the family i'm one of the leaders now people who know more deep lore i was basically

00:27:29.580 kicked out of the family i lived on my own after the age of 13 i the family had no money to give

00:27:34.280 me they had it all stolen from them this branch of the family so and it's all very public in the

00:27:37.800 record so like it's it's i was raised in that like i've been to the bohemian grove right like i'm

00:27:43.880 i'm connected with that scene it is true that simone was the managing director she did not run

00:27:49.480 was the managing director of dialogue a secret society found by peter teal but like we are connected

00:27:55.120 to all of that which he mentions but then he sort of sees all of this and then imagines like from

00:28:01.140 that show that i love i love the show was reagan what's it called goodness it was so good sorry

00:28:06.560 about like everything but conspiracy democracy is real have some key chains

00:28:12.120 can't talk about shape-shifting reptiles good morning senator revenues and

00:28:20.640 can't tell people the weather is controlled by gerald from accounting

00:28:26.640 or that the dow jones is controlled by blood sacrifices shares of jp morgan chase up 14 points

00:28:35.080 rules rules rules but i love the show because simone reminds me of reagan you're such a like

00:28:41.040 in that world that's the thing i want to live in that world i want to run the illuminati

00:28:44.680 i i actually had one time a billionaire contact us about putting together a plan to start a real

00:28:50.760 illuminati so i like i've even like looked at like how do you would you do this logistically

00:28:55.980 that's the thing is i think that kurt and we and so many other people just kind of wish that

00:29:00.820 there were people in charge and running things and i wouldn't deny for example that we i don't

00:29:06.900 know define conspiracy but we are definitely conspiring to do a lot of things we're conspiring

00:29:11.600 to try to save various groups from going extinct through our prenatal efforts to literally try to

00:29:17.860 take over the future of the human condition right yeah like i mean but but we're very open about it so

00:29:21.980 is it a conspiracy if we're like this is what we're doing and then i don't know people point to us

00:29:25.940 and they're like it's a conspiracy and we're like i don't know like you want to join us but what's

00:29:29.640 really interesting is to think about how his world constructed our lives and then he talks about

00:29:36.020 the book which i love so much the show of man but they didn't he didn't know he didn't remember the

00:29:41.160 title of it right right but dark tides or dark shadows dark shadows dark shadows yeah dark shadows

00:29:46.560 which was this old show i used to love like one of the original like horror shows when the family

00:29:50.360 in it is called the collinsons and then they redid it with johnny depp and one i actually love that

00:29:55.520 he says oh they're the the show dark shadows is about his family and and i do not know if they

00:30:03.180 named it after our family if that's why they chose the name collins it didn't come up in a brief ai

00:30:07.160 search that they did it very well could have been because our family's been known for that stuff for a

00:30:10.960 long time but if you know that the the story of dark shadows the the constant refrain or repeat in it

00:30:19.840 is family is the greatest wealth family is the only real wealth you would often remark

00:30:28.140 and that's what i was taught was in my family growing up like if somebody had looked at our

00:30:33.320 family they'd be like there and i even remember growing up people called my family the adult family

00:30:36.640 because we would like we have this giant like you know mansion that had ivy all on it and we were in

00:30:42.280 like the really nice part of town but like i'm like a crazy person so i'd climb up on the outside of

00:30:46.340 the house and you can imagine in the nice part of town the little you know bull cut like kid was

00:30:51.760 like the nice because my mom dressed me like a super rich like posh kid as well was like the the

00:30:56.820 cute little outfits and everything but like climbing up on the side of the house laughing and like trying

00:31:01.500 to kick the brother off the roof and stuff like this they saw us as just a menace like and i didn't

00:31:06.500 fully believe that that happened like was true until we got archival footage of you as kids and

00:31:12.260 just knowing it happened to be they were interviewing my granddad and then we're crawling up outside the

00:31:15.720 window yeah like it was just random footage of it proof this wasn't like a you did it sometimes

00:31:21.980 this is probably like you saw a wall you could climb up you'd climb up the wall our kids would

00:31:26.260 do it if they could come on they'd say climb everything they can but but the point here being

00:31:31.380 is that like i actually did i was in a family that was seen in our community as like weird and crazy

00:31:37.780 and everything like that and and it was a family that like the family from from that show which was

00:31:43.940 seen that way by the general public also really valued family above all else really valued actually

00:31:49.760 being there for each other above all else so it's interesting that that's the horror right like

00:31:54.440 the family that is fundamentally the good guys in that show fighting against darker forces of evil

00:32:00.380 in the show's world i'm okay with that connection and i've always thought vampires were cool vampires are

00:32:05.840 cool whatever right like you want to think we're vampires that's awesome right but the point i'm

00:32:12.420 i'm making here is that in his world we sort of come from this background of occultism and

00:32:19.980 dark magic and everything like that and we are utilizing this world of occultism and dark magic

00:32:27.600 to influence our theology and then we're trying to spread our theology through appearing to be

00:32:37.860 normal and trad and everything like that right like this our weird techno puritan beliefs are

00:32:44.140 downstream of our and if you don't know this and you're like a new fan you should go check out the

00:32:48.760 track series we're going to do more eventually it just takes forever to film but because i'm putting

00:32:53.240 together something that could become a real religion one day for other people like i need to think a lot

00:32:56.960 about it go over it well it's already techno puritanism is already a registered religion in the

00:33:02.700 united states it is recognized by the irs which determines if a religion is real or not i mean

00:33:10.140 yeah anyway but but the point i'm making here they took scientology forever to get there but anyway the

00:33:16.600 point i'm making here is to hit from his world perspective there's like these deep shadowy you know

00:33:22.760 secret organizations and everything like that and because of our involvement with them we're trying

00:33:28.240 to incept the public with this weird religious belief there are two areas where this is really

00:33:33.340 interesting and sort of incoherent but he also called our religious beliefs extremely materialistic

00:33:39.160 and like zoroastrian like you talk about like a zoroastrian evil god which is technically more aramon

00:33:46.420 than lucifer i guess you gotta what's aramon that's the one from zoroastrianism and the tech it's like

00:33:53.680 heavy materialism like there's nothing but the material and saying that like they were like that

00:33:59.540 like basically saying that like we worship money or something like that where if you're familiar with

00:34:04.980 the way that that our actual beliefs work our beliefs are of all else where we actually butt up against

00:34:12.480 traditional judaism and traditional christianity the most is we are rabidly anti

00:34:19.800 anti-magic anti-mysticism anti-supernatural forces anti anything like that right which in a way is

00:34:29.300 completely antagonistic to this view that he has that we are trying to spread some form of like dark

00:34:36.600 occultism where we are actually incredibly rigid in the exact opposite direction right then a lot of

00:34:43.960 these tech freaks who are like the things they're into are so crazy but they believe shit like

00:34:48.340 kabbalah and memes and shit are being sent backwards in time oh the kabbalah is a weird

00:34:54.360 one a really smart friend of mine gave me that to read i was like okay oh well it's a mind control

00:34:59.420 method all these things all the symbols they're they're overlays for your fucking brain so anyone

00:35:04.480 who has actually watched our tracks or is familiar with any of our beliefs knows that to great detriment

00:35:10.720 to ourselves because we are so fervent in this belief we are radically anti-cabbalism which is

00:35:17.360 interesting that he would accuse us of being kabbalists and he's even aware of that so i find

00:35:22.880 that to be very interesting right yeah but the other thing i find very interesting is if you contrast

00:35:28.460 his worldview of like where our religious beliefs come from was where our religious beliefs actually

00:35:34.880 come from it's i think even more interesting like the reality of the story is even more interesting and

00:35:40.420 it's very well backed up by receipts if you look at our works over time if you look at our books over

00:35:45.340 time if you look at the fragment of the crafting religion where we laid out exactly what we plan

00:35:49.300 to do where we're like look clearly the secular world doesn't seem to be a mentally healthy place

00:35:55.320 to raise kids therefore let's try to construct something better right and so we sit down and

00:36:01.660 we're like okay let's try to construct a religion that's going to be healthy for my kids right so i i

00:36:06.240 came up with a bunch of ideas about like this could be good this could be good this could be good

00:36:09.300 and then later we read the bible and we're like oh this is basically what the bible already says

00:36:15.800 like let's just be christians right but like our own branch of christian that interprets it in in this

00:36:22.780 alternate way right and that's what the the the the track series basically is going over is is this

00:36:28.740 a series of arguments where we start just being like well this is why we believe these things and

00:36:32.620 then we start reading the bible more and more and more and as the tracks go on and on and on

00:36:36.120 it's like oh like this does not is it's not as out of sync with the bible as i thought right

00:36:42.540 so we go through all that right and that's that's why we ended up becoming christians right like we

00:36:48.580 we started from the perspective of like what would be good for our kids and then we're like oh and this

00:36:52.940 seems to align with this and then i don't know how this could happen supernatural blah blah blah blah

00:36:56.780 and we're like i can't think of a more plausible reason to have these beliefs but it's it's not that

00:37:02.120 we're coming at this because like as a kid i was raised to be like an occultist or anything right

00:37:07.660 and i think that that's really interesting how like when you try to overly tie everything together

00:37:13.960 or like you try to tie that in to our work with like peter teal who's like a catholic right like

00:37:21.320 that doesn't really like the two things actually tie together or like dialogue right like if you if

00:37:27.880 you go to an organization like dialogue or you go to an organization like the grove and you're talking

00:37:31.800 with people you know most people are either going to be like atheists or traditional christians right

00:37:36.880 like why why would you have like a bunch of people with weird beliefs in fact this guy's religious

00:37:42.360 beliefs appeared to be more unique than almost anyone i've met at any of these events right like

00:37:47.800 and just think about it okay so you're putting together an organization that's like a collection

00:37:52.380 of already elite people right and you you put them in a room and a lot of these people spend their

00:37:57.860 entire lives like building up their businesses and everything like that but they're otherwise

00:38:01.000 normal people are they going to have unique religious beliefs like probably not they're going

00:38:06.280 to have beliefs that align with the rest of the population right in fact i'd argue if you're actually

00:38:11.160 looking at like unique iterations of christianity see our episode on trump's like what does trump believe

00:38:17.120 about metaphysics and religion because i'd argue he actually has one of the most unique

00:38:22.140 of you know powerful and influential people i've met takes on christianity the only other person i

00:38:27.140 know was a really unique one in like our wider circle is peter too that's it and and i thought

00:38:33.900 that that that that's that's interesting right like but the the the these organizations are not good

00:38:42.040 ways to transfer your religious beliefs if you understand why so imagine i go to like a conservative

00:38:48.960 keep in mind like a lot of these organizations are more conservative coded whether it's the bohemian

00:38:52.920 grove which a lot of people i think is weird that they think of it as like this occultist thing

00:38:56.720 but they're like but conservative politicians go there it's like do you think that like conservative

00:39:02.680 christian politicians are going to something that is like genuinely occultist like they might be doing

00:39:08.900 like the burning of care and like some you know fakey fake rituals but no but like even the name of

00:39:13.700 something isn't hijinks a thing that they do there yeah like that's literally like the name of

00:39:19.280 something you would expect at some like conservative christian summer camp is the hijinks time it's like

00:39:26.040 go to the forest and run around like boy scouts like that's i don't know i just don't see this

00:39:30.940 that no i mean they're acting like people did at summer camps in the 1920s exactly they all grew up

00:39:36.040 yes that is like literally they're they're tremendously old yeah the average age there is

00:39:41.240 like 86 like they're irrelevant in terms of modern politics anymore because they're also old at this

00:39:44.820 point yeah whereas like the really relevant thing these days is dialogue like that's dialogue or sun

00:39:50.240 whatever sun sun valley sun valley is pretty relevant but anyway the point being i think heretic

00:39:55.960 one is is actually where there's well heretic is the best one the most well because that's also

00:40:01.120 like where investment is going in tech startups that are going to shape the future

00:40:04.800 and obviously we've been to heretic on i guess we spoke there we spoke there we didn't just go

00:40:09.580 but i mean heretic on is but i was going to these things like i was going growing up to

00:40:15.580 renaissance weekend back when the clintons went to renaissance weekend back when it was like

00:40:18.980 extremely exclusive to get into so like i've been doing these sorts of things since i was a kid but

00:40:23.080 when you get into these right you're first you're really excited you're like oh i got into heretic on

00:40:27.660 or whatever and you go i don't think that i don't think heretic on could ever get old

00:40:31.320 but but you you and you'll even hear weird religious beliefs i went to peter teal's talk

00:40:35.740 about like the catacomb right it was cool right i was like i was like oh give me some ideas here

00:40:41.200 for techno puritanism i wish i wish the south park antichrist song was used more i can't even remember

00:40:47.400 how it goes peter teal knows about the antichrist peter teal knows about the antichrist i'm peter teal

00:40:55.560 and i know about the antichrist let's learn about the antichrist today

00:41:01.680 but i don't come away from that and and 99 of the people in that room don't come away with that

00:41:08.380 believing what peter teal does about like catholicism right like that's that's just a very inefficient way

00:41:15.040 to transfer religious beliefs a meeting that you go to once a year where you get to sit in on a

00:41:21.040 lecture keep in mind your religious beliefs are your physical framework for how the world works

00:41:25.600 right now where do i think you can have a transfer of religious beliefs and weird stuff

00:41:31.800 do i think that there are some actual like pda file networks of like progressives where they have

00:41:38.480 like weird sort of wiccan beliefs that they do like ceremonies i've seen enough evidence that i

00:41:44.140 believe yes this is a thing that exists but the problem is is these people have very different

00:41:49.800 metaphysical frameworks than the type of people who are going to the conservative secret society

00:41:53.720 well that's the thing is is i think the reason why you see the wiccan stuff among very powerful

00:41:59.160 progressive people is they don't have the christian or jewish or islamic spells and stuff like just

00:42:06.840 you know traditions to fall back on there's no god to whom they can pray yeah if you have to do the

00:42:12.180 wiccan stuff because you know if they feel like they need a higher power well i mean good for goodness

00:42:17.800 what i mean is if you're already a crystals and tarot card type person and somebody says okay here's a

00:42:23.080 new ritual right you know you're going to be like yeah it's just a new ritual like let's add that to the

00:42:28.540 list right and so you can begin to get these weird culty type things but if you're coming at this like

00:42:34.700 most of the conservative influencers are with people who have very well thought out metaphysical

00:42:39.700 frameworks that are based on usually christian or jewish teachings you you go up and you're like here's

00:42:46.460 this new ritual we're all going to practice together everyone's going to be like f no there's not a new

00:42:51.280 ritual we're all going to practice together like it's and if you wonder like what what sort of

00:42:56.860 terrifying stuff do they get up to at these events at hereticon you can go and get free tattoos that

00:43:02.320 was a cool one but the other one i thought was really cool was we got to gene edit frogs to be

00:43:07.620 glow in the dark like no it wasn't just glow in the dark you could make it like i think really big

00:43:12.740 i think it was it wasn't glow in the dark it was like that they would under

00:43:15.900 luminescent yeah and and yeah there was really big luminescent there were some other cool things but

00:43:22.560 yeah it wasn't you know anything crazy well i mean it's it's cool that's what that's what people

00:43:28.800 want to believe because it's a bunch of people yeah yeah no what what oh man they should have

00:43:33.580 found a way to turn the frogs gay yeah and turning frogs gay turning right like that would have been

00:43:40.960 that would have been it but but i mean you've got to understand that these events to be a hereticon

00:43:47.240 or something like that you want to get the the high profile people coming back you need to be

00:43:50.800 interesting to high profile people right like you need to be worth their time if i go and i'm running

00:43:56.360 some like x billion dollar company and then it's a bunch of weird religious rituals the moment i get

00:44:02.180 there i'm gonna be like i don't want to go back to that sorry sorry if i go and i get to see the

00:44:08.540 pronatalist people having their spiciest talk ever and i get to see peter teal go up and talk about his

00:44:13.660 views on the catacomb and i get to that's what successful people and and heterodox successful people

00:44:19.260 actually want is they want to hear other heterodox successful people talk about their views on

00:44:23.920 things right like you know i i wanted to go and meet rocco of rocco's basilisk and hear about his

00:44:30.980 plan for building a a giant floating city on ice and why that's actually cheaper than building it

00:44:36.820 not on it was good it was very cohesive i again i liked it his his takes in general are fantastic

00:44:44.580 right i i know but what i mean what i mean to say is you know yeah we we do go there and get drunk

00:44:52.460 and have talks with munchess balbug or curtis yarvin as you've seen here but like when that happens at

00:44:58.540 an event like this one this isn't our first time meeting curtis yarvin like we already know him well

00:45:04.120 like i consider him a friend of ours and even a family friend like we know his his wife we know his

00:45:09.620 ex-wife we our our kids will know each other like he's a cool guy right you know but can you imagine

00:45:15.600 curtis yarvin like and you're not going to get a bunch of people going to one of these if you don't

00:45:18.780 get your curtis yarvin and you don't get your malcolm and you don't get your you know etc you

00:45:21.500 need the the leaders of like the intellectual sphere of the conservative movement you go to one

00:45:26.540 of these events and you start practicing dark magical spells first of all curtis yarvin's gonna go on a

00:45:34.780 unhinged rant the moment you try to start something like that and second of all everyone's

00:45:41.480 gonna know because curtis yarvin's gonna leave the event and write about it right you know that this is

00:45:47.040 this is what's gonna happen because it's interesting right you you couldn't even do that but i thought

00:45:54.260 also the way that he framed our stuff where he tried to furrow like pronatalism as like gay which

00:46:01.940 like i i think what he means by that is uh outside of just just pearl clutchy for him outside of his

00:46:09.900 norms of conservative culture but the other thing to remember about this guy is this guy is in his

00:46:14.100 late third no i think early 40s like mid no mid 40s he's like 43 if i remember and he only recently

00:46:20.060 got married and he has no kids so there's no way he's going to be above repopulation rate and he said

00:46:25.320 other weird stuff like really weird stuff where i was like oh this guy obviously hasn't been around kids

00:46:29.660 where he said that charlie sheen was brainwashed into and just like if you're somebody who has

00:46:34.520 had thoughts like this understand how crazy you look was brainwashed into like weird sex stuff

00:46:41.120 because he saw his parents naked until the age of five do you not know that like

00:46:47.080 you have to bathe your kids up until the age of five right like you you change well that doesn't

00:46:53.820 mean that but your kids see the new naked as a parent well i mean it's it would be rare for them

00:47:01.280 not to you'd have to like i mean i don't know like i grew up around just well tons of naked people

00:47:06.720 because i was in california so everyone was naked and like i was really young when like i remember going

00:47:13.820 to a like a nudist colony near death valley and like seeing some guy playing a grand piano naked in the

00:47:21.460 back of his truck and like of course all like the naked sweat lodge wedding kind of stuff going on

00:47:26.260 but this is the type of guy for me i imagine he like has his kids behind like a sheet change into

00:47:32.860 their like swim trunks before they get in the bath or shower he doesn't have kids but if he did maybe

00:47:37.280 just his wife would do it all anyway so yeah i think maybe like when men say stuff like this either

00:47:42.600 they don't have kids or they just have someone else do it and assume that that person would never

00:47:48.740 but like i mean i showered with my mom when i was a kid because my mom couldn't like it was just

00:47:53.240 easier for her to you know get me cleaned in the shower this is the type of guy who sleeps with his

00:47:58.760 wife in pajamas like like you know the pajamas only come off when sex is about to start or not at all

00:48:06.820 i mean no but it's these weird moral constructions about reality he has that are come from a position

00:48:14.540 of being from this incredibly sort of pearl clutcher world that i think we're seeing die out

00:48:20.280 we are seeing a flare-up and i hadn't realized this but i'm realizing it now is the conspiracy

00:48:27.300 theorist is part of the conservative world that's a thing in the conservative world i go on their

00:48:31.140 shows some of them like me they love me because i add information to their conspiracy theory i know

00:48:36.500 very few extreme conspiracy theorists who are above replacement rate in the conservative sphere but keep in

00:48:42.400 mind they're mostly in the conservative sphere to start with so you would think in the end there's

00:48:46.220 something that's really there's a very high correlation between having an external locus

00:48:52.660 of control and believing in conspiracy theories because inherently most conspiracy theories have

00:48:56.940 to do with they them controlling everything and you are disempowered or you had this terrible thing

00:49:02.500 happen to you or you are being controlled or society's being ruined because they are doing the

00:49:07.980 thing so it's not your fault it's not the victim's fault it's their fault capital t and i think that's

00:49:16.320 the other interesting thing is he's clearly gone through a lot of content on us and yet he

00:49:20.620 misunderstands very basic parts of our like even just our agenda so like he was mad at pronatalism

00:49:28.440 more broadly like talking about low fertility rates and and rogan was like but like that's a real issue

00:49:34.400 yeah right and and he was like well you know i it is a real issue but it's only being brought up to

00:49:40.160 promote more immigration and anybody who knows us knows we are not trying to promote more immigration

00:49:45.660 right like that that is it may have been like when we very first started advocating for pronatalism

00:49:50.760 because we were still progressives back then we're like hey maybe immigration could be used to fix this

00:49:55.080 i don't think we ever said immigration could fix it okay yeah i i i i somebody might find some clip

00:50:03.140 from like when we very first started on this but i'd say four years at this point anybody who knows

00:50:08.640 us has known we've been barely anti-immigration and our views on that have even matured where at first

00:50:13.900 we were pro high-skilled immigration and then we even did a 180 on high-skilled immigration right you

00:50:19.860 know after because we listen to our fans like this is yeah y'all changed our minds guys yeah we do listen

00:50:24.860 to you and when we're wrong we want to be right and you guys made really really good points yeah like

00:50:29.260 we're not audience captured in that i don't change my mind to pander to fans like there's stuff that

00:50:33.460 like if you've been following the show for a while you know we've only become more entrenched

00:50:37.740 in our religious beliefs we've only become more entrenched in our potentially like antagonistic

00:50:44.300 relationship with some other christian denominations well and we and we persist much to the great pearl

00:50:50.220 clutching of our fans in referring to the gender pronouns people generally prefer to be referred by

00:50:57.200 no matter how they were born which they find extremely we haven't we haven't folded on that

00:51:02.620 issue either but there's other issues like the h-1b visa issue we changed our minds on yeah the being

00:51:08.160 like never criticizing israel yeah i'm much more critical on that stuff yeah i mean we're still

00:51:13.200 pro-jewish and pro-israel like i would still call myself a zionist but i think a lot of jews would call me

00:51:19.320 anti-semitic now right like we certainly get called anti-semitic you know but i mean you still want to

00:51:26.760 ally with israel you just want to deal with some of the adverse incentives that are at play

00:51:30.120 yeah and i i think that and that that literally happened because of someone i was talking to on

00:51:36.880 the discord and then they challenged me and they said what was really clear she goes when is it

00:51:42.900 hurtful to the wider party for us to adopt beliefs like this like you say well we don't adopt life

00:51:49.320 begins at conception and people shouldn't be promoting it because we couldn't even win general

00:51:53.600 elections like what about military aid to israel right like and i and i just thought about it and

00:51:58.580 i was like that's a good effing argument like i should not be pushing that on the wider conservative

00:52:02.740 movement if it is not something that is going to win us elections and if it's not winning us a lot

00:52:09.140 like i i need to really rethink this right and i think that that's why people follow us like i was

00:52:13.720 looking recently i mean our numbers aren't great right now because we always go down in the winter and

00:52:17.220 then we we build back up from there so hopefully we can rebuild from this but like if you look at

00:52:21.760 like short fat otaku right i used to look at him as being like way bigger than us a way bigger thing

00:52:25.980 than us and now we're way bigger than him in terms of like video viewership right and i was really

00:52:31.080 surprised at that but i think part of it is that he doesn't like engage with his fans and update his

00:52:35.480 views based on like just when he's wrong about something right like oh you you have a better

00:52:41.080 argument here you have a better argument here and i think people can see that as like i don't know

00:52:44.960 pandering or or audience capture but it's really not if you look at like where our views don't change

00:52:49.280 right the final thing i wanted to talk about with him that i thought was interesting is well

00:52:54.200 the the just sort of i mean he talked about the account that amplified this being a fake catholic

00:53:05.920 account like we had gotten the person who posted this to twitter to post this to twitter just keep

00:53:11.580 in mind so i guess i'll go for a few things here if something goes viral it's more likely like okay

00:53:17.960 let's take nick fuentes here right now is nick fuentes being astroturfed and we'll do an episode

00:53:22.980 where i'll go over some receipts that he might be being astroturfed right now but i think more

00:53:29.020 broadly what's happening is nick fuentes knows how to play the media the media knows when they cover

00:53:33.080 him it goes viral and that's what they want to do and it's the same with them in covering us they i want

00:53:37.800 to play the media they know when they cover us it goes viral and if they go and they interview

00:53:41.380 lyman stone that's not going to go viral it just won't right if they go and they interview

00:53:46.020 katherine pakalup it's not going to go viral it just won't right like it's it's a mutually beneficial

00:53:52.520 ecosystem where we're both playing with each other but the person who posted this stupid interview to

00:53:57.420 twitter did not post it there because we colluded with them they are a twitter user they want to post

00:54:04.640 things that go viral so they get more followers that is why they posted something that went viral to

00:54:09.660 twitter right like not thinking through individual motivations and ascribing everything to some sort

00:54:17.080 of like external cabal breaks everything down another interesting thing is us getting in to dialogue

00:54:26.060 us getting the job putting together schmidt futures which is eric schmidt secret society thing

00:54:30.080 we didn't it doesn't exist anymore it doesn't exist anymore we didn't get these because of my family

00:54:37.020 background like that was we we got these because simone applied for a job at these and i'm interested

00:54:42.640 in secret societies because i'm interested in nexuses of power in society and like like the two

00:54:48.480 things are largely uncorrelated outside of i grew up being aware of this world and being like hey it's

00:54:54.320 valuable to interact with this world where i think you grew up never even primed to think hey who's

00:54:58.700 running the major secret societies these days like when i just didn't care i think it's a mixture of

00:55:04.260 you grew up normalizing to them and knowing people in them and knowing people going to them and going

00:55:11.560 to them yourself where you were like well of course i can just walk in the door and i think most people

00:55:16.100 assume they could never even walk in the door when like probably if they want someone to be involved

00:55:21.080 they could they could be and as long as they're like not incredibly dumb and then you know we had

00:55:27.900 me just apply just like just ask and i never would have thought to because i wasn't interested in the

00:55:33.600 same way that you were but once you got me hooked i was in because the conversations are really yeah

00:55:38.300 yeah and and so i think that like do not get your brain cooked on this stuff remember most people in

00:55:45.860 society are wildly incompetent and i have seen behind every door the cabals do not exist no we keep saying

00:55:55.180 it would be so nice if they did it would be so nice if someone was at the wheel i would love

00:56:02.800 a conspiracy of sorts you know but what what instead is is we just have very messy systems well i can tell

00:56:10.320 you why the cabals never come to exist the reason why the cabals never come to exist is because the

00:56:17.080 types of people who could put them together so suppose peter teal wanted to start a cabal right

00:56:21.060 if he wanted other billionaires at his level to come in and join that cabal that he started well

00:56:26.660 how does he want his cabal to be he's probably going to want it to be catholic he's going to want

00:56:30.000 it to have some of his religious ideals and they wouldn't want that right so they'd say no i'm not

00:56:34.580 going to go to that right so i mean one thing that so what what peter teal can do is empower and fund

00:56:42.060 and donate to people who seem to be aligned or whose incentives align with things that he wants and and i

00:56:48.560 would say that there are some instances in which you get kind of a critical mass of people who want

00:56:54.200 roughly the same thing dominating powerful organizations like anti-natalists at the u.n like

00:57:00.440 there isn't necessarily a conspiracy but there's a decent number of them also like this period of

00:57:06.580 extreme liberalism within higher echelons of the catholic church like that happened i don't i don't see

00:57:13.800 that as a conspiracy i just see that as like a critical mass of people who have a certain affiliation

00:57:18.480 dominating an organization and that can be incredibly influential but it's not the same thing

00:57:23.620 yeah but i loved i love this i love this shout out on jago rogan he follows us on x so we reached out

00:57:29.460 to him seeing if he's willing to do a show with us yeah thanks to everyone who pointed that clip out to

00:57:34.940 us because we were i would never have known yeah and it was we're both so nose to the grindstone right

00:57:39.700 now we've basically no idea what's happening if it's not on like one of the few things we check to

00:57:45.100 look for podcast fodder so thank you we we live in a hole um yeah yeah i would not know that we had

00:57:51.780 been given this amazing shout out i loved it i i hope entire communities form creating conspiracy

00:57:58.000 theories about me that is what i want to be a topic of conspiracy theory websites i want them to believe

00:58:04.480 i want a narrative where like i grew up in this illuminati family and then i was like kicked out of

00:58:10.220 it because like oh i wasn't going along with whatever they want like why why was he kicked out

00:58:13.760 why was he expelled oh he must have been dangerous to them and then he becomes like this figure and

00:58:19.080 like i mean it's not untrue i think a big theme of your family is they are aspirational normies who

00:58:25.560 in the end are just you know they're they're they're interesting people who like really want to seem

00:58:32.500 catalog they're runway wearing catalog masks you know and you're not you're just willing to be

00:58:39.860 runway runway but the the it's interesting because that's a cool narrative okay so guy grew up in the

00:58:45.660 illuminati was slated to be one of the heads of it at the oldest male of the collins line

00:58:49.320 the the collins line ends up pissing off the illuminati in some way or he ended up pissing them

00:58:55.660 off in some way and so they get cut off all their money is taken away and then they go after him

00:59:00.660 because it's clear that the powers that be want to destroy my life like we're constantly being

00:59:04.120 attacked in the media so they they're going after him vigorously well it's not not working like we're

00:59:10.520 unemployable we're unemployed and unemployable right now right you know so i get viciously attacked every

00:59:16.920 day and then and then but i'm i'm raiding this crusade on who is it an anti-illuminati crusade i mean

00:59:23.660 let's say it is right and now i'm i'm building forces through becoming a part of the organizational

00:59:29.920 forces of all of these conservative leaning secret societies to to piece together of a counter

00:59:35.920 resistance to the illuminati right you know that's that's the the narrative right like that's so cool

00:59:40.500 and vampires like the collins family is actually vampires and vampires we just don't tell you

00:59:46.680 because i mean you could see his whole like web coming together of look at the way you

00:59:51.460 vampire collins is peter teal blood boys like illuminati confirmed they're all the blood and the

00:59:58.220 conspiracies and the tech people and the pro natalism and the religion and the

01:00:02.200 vampires but one thing i hope that they remember is is is our religious beliefs like if we fall to

01:00:10.800 anything we are closer to the fanatical witch hunter than we are to the occultist right like yeah

01:00:16.580 we're techno puritans we're against idolatry i i can't look at even a cross necklace without thinking

01:00:21.140 internally idolatrous yeah it's like it's intense we're against any any religious iconography we're

01:00:29.060 against any like it's it's very much we're in the opposite direction but i want to and like we need

01:00:34.560 to come up with rituals that would still be scary to them but are like anti-idolatry rituals or

01:00:40.160 something like that you know where we we get our puritan hats and we've got to get a witch hunter hat

01:00:44.940 for you simone so people can because you already dress like a vampire witch hunter or a vampire look at

01:00:50.280 this look at this you're a vampire it's harder to bite because but you do that to hide your bite

01:00:55.500 marks oh ah of course yes that too yes anyway i love you yeah this was a treat this was a treat for us

01:01:03.900 oh no oh yeah the collins the collins even in on twilight

01:01:09.000 yeah no it's collins the collins the dots people

01:01:15.160 sex vampires and to join our family you had to do all these dark rituals obviously

01:01:21.320 which well we'll work out of sacrificing people we suspected to be witches oh because they were

01:01:30.060 wearing religious iconography you know that you know the way it works

01:01:33.700 i love you i mean i i have just we're probably sacrificing some chickens now they survived

01:01:40.820 actually did one not make it the chickens that i'm allowing to to free graze right now

01:01:49.300 kind of sacrificing chickens not sure they've done so they've done so far pretty well they're really

01:01:56.380 happy so i feel better are they still pecking at each other no no one it was just that one she was

01:02:02.980 being bullied and i felt so bad but now that they like have been given a ton more space

01:02:08.240 she seems to be a lot happier but she's alone the other ones all grazed together and she's just off

01:02:15.460 by herself rummaging away but happy so okay well i love you simone i love you too you are very sweet

01:02:26.700 weirdly i think that's maduro it's like maduro oh no the one we named maduro yeah maduro was being

01:02:35.140 was being you know pecked by che do our do our chickens predict political events should we be

01:02:41.680 doing kind of i mean witchcraft though we can't we can't abide by that we can't oh yes witchcraft that

01:02:49.540 is actual witchcraft yeah we gotta hunt that out but meanwhile like on the other side stalin and and

01:02:55.700 and lenin trotsky they're all doing great so i don't know what's up i don't know what that means

01:03:01.460 what can we divine from our communist chickens who knows i i am just so happy that dark shadows is

01:03:11.540 real and that that's my family because there is no greater wealth than family yeah

01:03:16.420 all right i'm gonna end the recording

01:03:20.640 which octavian and i this morning were talking about geography i was trying to get him started on

01:03:27.420 that realized it would be really helpful if we had a globe so he took the one from your room at my

01:03:32.440 advice and immediately just starts only wanting to learn the names of countries and continents because

01:03:39.480 he's like what's this i'm like china he's like okay well we're gonna take over china and make it america

01:03:44.640 and what's this australia okay we're gonna take australia it was just this intuitive

01:03:50.620 imperialism it just yeah no well so we were going over american history today as well oh yeah and i

01:03:59.420 was going over some videos on american that's what happened when he ran away from me and went to your

01:04:02.600 room he was just like i'm not here but it was three hours later so it was pretty good and he was like

01:04:07.640 okay so are we gonna like take over this place are we gonna like because we're going over like how

01:04:13.040 america expanded and goes oh and we took over all these other countries um and i was like well they

01:04:17.320 weren't really countries at the time but there were people living here you know that that was a

01:04:22.920 thing which he was very excited about getting getting to expand watching the map expand as the

01:04:28.180 story went on and i sent him off with a story about world war ii so we'll see oh well he loves

01:04:34.600 the military honestly my biggest incentive to get him to keep going forward with learning is i'm like

01:04:39.480 you're never going to be able to join the marines if you can't do math and read well you're never

01:04:44.840 going to learn how to fly a helicopter and now thanks to that one person who commented you know

01:04:50.240 who you are that helicopter helicopter is a bosnian song i found a version of it on youtube that just

01:04:57.180 has helicopter footage i think it's like from a rambo movie or something yeah and he loved it and

01:05:02.060 now that is the incentive to get him to finish a new homeschooling lesson i'm like i will i will play

01:05:07.040 the bosnian song for you if you finish another bosnian song about helicopters helicopter no you

01:05:15.820 know what got me today is the comments on yesterday's video were so angry like the top voted comments were

01:05:23.480 like this is horrible rage bait like saying that there are feminism or feminist countries have a high

01:05:30.020 fertility rate it's like saying that there's which deserts have the most water right and the funny

01:05:35.500 thing is is like actually that's entirely wrong and that the the premise is not only backed up over

01:05:41.140 time if you look at the baby boom it happened at the boom of the first feminist movement and and it

01:05:46.560 happens at different times in different countries based on feminist movements which is what we talked

01:05:51.320 about in that episode but you see it between countries was like america having a higher fertility

01:05:55.520 rate than latin america much more gender equality or northern europe having a higher fertility rate than

01:05:59.740 southern europe or and somebody was like well look these are just wealthy countries that can afford to pay

01:06:04.080 women more and that's why they have more kids and i'm like that's factually untrue like one of the

01:06:07.880 highest fertility rates in the developed world is america which gives some of the lowest amounts of

01:06:12.140 cash benefits for birth yeah one person's useful comment and i'm going to see if i can do a whole

01:06:16.680 episode on this was oh i wonder if there's a correlation between the wealth the rise of the welfare state and

01:06:22.580 the drop of fertility basically like when you didn't you no longer needed your family to we may have

01:06:27.300 already done an episode on this now that i'm thinking about it i think we did but if you if you look at the

01:06:31.880 point i was making is if you compare it to the with south korea which is hugely gender unequal but

01:06:37.000 offers giant cash payments for having kids much lower fertility rates so it's like it's it's weird

01:06:42.280 i i mean i think that these sorts of things are important when an idea challenges your preconceptions

01:06:47.460 that deeply it means that your understanding of reality is fundamentally wrong and that's a really

01:06:53.020 exciting thing to jump into for me yeah when you get offended when you feel offense it is the sign

01:06:59.100 that something is credibly threatening your world for you that is a good sign to dig in because if

01:07:03.400 you're wrong don't you want to be right yeah i mean it's very the ultimate cuck status is is being

01:07:09.840 wrong and not being willing to correct yourself oh i agree yeah that's like what the word cuck was

01:07:14.220 designed for that and destiny but no no piers morgan is the new mega cuck these days who everyone makes

01:07:21.040 fun of what happened to piers morgan well he had that embarrassing interview with nick fuentes where he just

01:07:27.240 got absolutely had sex as an unmarried catholic well he made fun of yeah made fun of nick fuentes

01:07:33.900 for that and everyone pointed out that his wife is we're like this is the rise of the male virgin

01:07:40.020 influencers because the kid who did this somali daycare the mormon kid who did this somali daycare

01:07:44.640 virgin but as i've heard from inside sources nick fuentes is not remotely a virgin well an act he puts

01:07:51.780 on or still i mean what matters is what people perceive not what's right that's that's true you

01:07:58.060 know what's your what you're selling right also look at nick fuentes and hear him talk and and he

01:08:04.040 does not come across as the type of guy who didn't get laid in college and he didn't develop this extreme

01:08:10.440 ideology until later he comes across as somebody who would be very good at coming up to people very

01:08:15.640 good at talking to random people and that's really all you need to but it seems that his early career was

01:08:19.500 very much focused on online content creation and it can be really hard to be good at that and also

01:08:25.980 go out and have a social life so i could really see a world in which he just never got around to it

01:08:29.700 he could have done it if he cared but i don't maybe he didn't care that much about it i mean a lot of i

01:08:35.120 mean it does i guess right also if he is actually same-sex attracted that's a very easy way to stay

01:08:40.220 celibate even if you otherwise would be good at getting girls there's also that yeah there's also if you

01:08:45.100 don't approve of that within yourself

01:08:46.300 from ancient crypts where shadows first learn to crawl

01:09:07.180 we call him's rose the architects of it all

01:09:15.660 we carve the first oats in blood and in stone

01:09:24.140 every secret society ours to own

01:09:32.140 we call him's rose templars swore on our rings in the dead of night

01:09:40.620 in the dead of night

01:09:42.620 illuminati crowned by our unholy light

01:09:48.620 mason's rosicrucians grow flames we ignite

01:09:54.620 builder bird bends to our will we're the might

01:09:59.100 we are the collins we pull every string

01:10:06.540 we are the collins we pull every string the world is our puppet hear the dog bells sing

01:10:14.220 from throne to the shadows we command the whole game bow to the collins forever proclaim

01:10:23.580 it's

01:10:25.340 eternal rain

01:10:27.500 it's

01:10:30.620 heels hidden tables we built from the start vampire bloodlines beat in our hearts

01:10:38.620 dark shadows echo our true ancient name

01:10:42.620 we are the storm

01:10:47.020 the eternal flame

01:10:53.580 we are the collins we pull every string the world is our puppet hear the dark bells sing we are the

01:11:03.340 collins we pull every string the world is our puppet let freedom's bell ring

01:11:09.340 bell ring

01:11:19.100 we are the collins

01:11:23.100 call in

01:11:32.860 juventus

01:11:35.340 call in

Based Camp - January 09, 2026

The Joe Rogan Crash Out About Us

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