00:00:00.000hello simone i am beyond thrilled to be here with you today because we got the craziest
00:00:05.680of crazy news oh my god kkk was funded by the southern poverty law center for people who don't
00:00:15.680know that is one of the largest anti-defamation anti-racism organizations in the united states
00:00:23.420this is the core leader and shield bearer of wokeism with the only organizations that even
00:00:30.720come close being things like i want to say the the like adl right and and they're worse than the
00:00:36.080adl they're they're more they're more extreme and active than the adl yes this is like the leaders
00:00:42.380of the woke this is yes this is woke kings of america the ultimate fighters of racism presumably
00:00:48.180and not through a small amount it was literally millions of dollars multiple millions of dollars
00:00:55.540and when you consider the amount of funding that something like the kkk is likely actually getting
00:01:01.460from people because if you're employable or the type of person who can make millions of dollars
00:01:06.160you typically don't fund the kkk no because well one thing you want to keep your source of income
00:01:13.480even if you secretly agreed with them and even if you didn't very few people who are like
00:01:18.180competent and make a lot of money are that level of racism in in the brand of the kkk oh yeah and
00:01:24.820also if if you're actually super racist and you have a lot of money you would secretly fund
00:01:31.020acts of racism in other ways like these organizations are not effective yeah they're
00:01:37.320not actually effective in driving racism like maybe you buy like russian bot farms to fuel
00:01:42.040like racist hate or something maybe pay some like pakistani people to like you know spam with a lot
00:01:49.280of clips that are racist x and youtube and instagram but not not the kkk it's so weird
00:01:56.380not like the national socialists in america what are you doing may have been and we'll be going
00:02:02.660into this the core thing keeping the lights on at the kkk and note here it wasn't just the kkk
00:02:10.400you know the charlotteville riots that the left freaked out at forever and then they play that
00:02:16.020clipped piece of trump saying good people on both sides and then saying very explicitly but i do not
00:02:20.920mean the racist right like obviously leave that out no no one knows about that out right because
00:02:26.460they lie that's the only way that their side seems like the good guys but it turns out that the
00:02:31.960racists who were at that rally were bused there by the southern poverty law center's dollar
00:02:38.980and all were paid plants by the southern poverty law center plants but i want to go into how
00:02:45.180plausible is it that these people were actually paid plants and that they were not paying to just
00:02:50.140keep the lights on within these organizations so that they would have a reason to protest
00:02:55.100to ask for more power to ask for more money to accumulate um you know government and bureaucratic
00:03:03.780resources in power because this exemplifies something we say about non-profits over and over
00:03:08.700If you see a nonprofit that makes its money from donations and has survived for any non-trivial period of time, this is not something that exists to serve its mission.
00:03:19.840This is an organization that specializes in raising money.
00:03:23.320And if you're raising money presumably for a cause, the bigger and badder and scarier the battle you're fighting seems, the more effective you will be at your actual functional purpose, which is raising money.
00:03:36.840So the Southern Poverty Law Center, it's existentially dependent on the existence of cartoonish racism in the United States.
00:03:46.960And this really exemplifies just how terrible it is to be an organization that depends on donations for survival.
00:03:53.920Well, I mean, I think, and I've said this, and this is one of the things we're going to go over in this episode, is that most of the cartoonish racism in the United States, it's now clear, is actually astroturfed by leftists.
00:04:08.300And we're going to go into evidence of, for example, Nick Fuentes, over half of his viewership, maybe around 75%, looks to be botted.
00:04:18.740Yeah. I mean, the left has basically made him relevant again by continuously publishing pieces on him and doing, which we will go into, a huge amount of botting of him. Because obviously this isn't right-wing people botting him. He keeps telling people to vote against Republicans, right? Like, he's one of the biggest annoyances to the Republican Party. The group that benefits the most from his voice going silent is Republicans, right?
00:04:42.140And so what we're basically going to point out is this is just not a widely held position among any portion of the base. There aren't these cartoonish racists out there anymore, at least in terms of like any organized capacity, any large groundswell capacity.
00:04:59.360There are people with specific racial grievances, like the tearing down of historic statues, but anyone can see why that would cause somebody to be upset, or people taking jobs for undermarket rages, or certain groups acting in ways that are unfair, like promoting their own over outsiders, like it happens sometimes with Indian immigrants and people complain about that, or crime waves associated with Catholic immigrants, which we have another wave of right now.
00:05:25.140and every time we get away with those we get a huge organized crime boom and point out like the0.84
00:05:29.160mob the mafia it's just a catholic immigrant thing but these are all these are all just like
00:05:34.900just things that we the u.s have done historically the cartoonish racism and again people will be
00:05:41.640like oh cartoonish racism is historic to america that might be a whole other episode it's how
00:05:47.340actually were people in the past yeah and and we've pointed out when you actually go to writings
00:05:53.320and stuff like that during the period of active slavery there was a lot of cartoonish racism
00:05:59.660but the average person was probably significantly less racist than you would imagine from what you
00:06:04.960are taught in schools today and uh after slavery was over you know you go to the 1950s and stuff
00:06:11.460like that in some ways the average like if you're contrasting it with the white economic situation
00:06:16.720today is significantly better when compared to the black economic situation than the two were
00:06:23.300in like the 1950s for example uh same with racially motivated violence if you look at
00:06:28.720black people who were killed from 1950 to 1960 i go to 1950 because that's what people see as like
00:06:34.340the the cartoonish you know whatever period exactly and you contrast that we have other
00:06:38.340videos where we like go into all the numbers on this was the number of black people who were
00:06:42.160killed over racially motivated crimes in the past 10 years it's something like 5x higher in the last
00:06:46.90010 years yeah things have not improved surprised a lot of people well it's not that they've not
00:06:52.600improved, it's that we might have been sold a false history about racial tensions in the United
00:06:58.560States, which some people, and I've noted a lot of people who are these young men who are cucked
00:07:05.740and tricked by these leftist campaigns into believing things that work against the broader
00:07:12.280rights goals is is they sort of adopt a conservatism that isn't indicative of any
00:07:21.280real historic thought pattern but is much closer to what a woke progressive cartoonishly depicts
00:07:29.480their conservative villain to be you know that's that's like i point out like nick fontes's ideology
00:07:36.060is completely incoherent he's a catholic integralist who is upset about catholic hispanic
00:07:44.140immigration into the united states if you are unaware of what the end goal of catholic
00:07:49.720integralism is it's that the whole world is under one catholic government right the the vatican
00:07:57.900right if he you you cannot want borders to stop existing and all be under one giant global0.76
00:08:05.820catholic government and be upset about a majority catholic immigrant population that makes no sense
00:08:12.980that is completely incoherent specifically what i mean by that is the entire world existing
00:08:19.260underneath a catholic government being the ideal form of government presumably means that the
00:08:27.040united states would only be better from your perspective as it became more catholic and you
00:08:33.780can't say well they're a different type of catholic from a different region because the end
00:08:38.560goal is all regions under one government but catholicism is seen as like the most bog standard
00:08:46.300christiany form of christianity to wokes so i'm gonna go with that and being racist well i'm0.93
00:08:52.520scared of racists so i'm gonna go with that and i bet these cartoonish racists really hate mexicans0.95
00:08:57.460So I'm going to go with that. And I also point out here, Catholicism more broadly is generally like institutionally one of the least racist forms of Christianity. And it has had to be given the way that it proselytizes. So even the idea of being Catholic and a racial supremacist is a totally incoherent idea.0.65
00:09:18.640yeah like have you not seen how catholicism has spread how there's this constant interest in
00:09:24.920trying to be like oh you know you've always been catholic you're one of us like it's one of the
00:09:29.580most inclusive religions in the entire world yeah like all your local gods were actually saints and
00:09:36.420you just made a mistake and we can work with that yeah yeah so that is this is us people who
00:09:45.520typically on this show are seen as anti-Romanists or anti-Catholics right you know saying this right
00:09:50.120like it is not a racist religion the Vatican is constantly putting out tracts about how
00:09:54.720we need no borders we need you know let more immigrants in this is constant like this is
00:10:00.580constantly coming from this pope the last pope this is like mainstream so the point I'm making
00:10:06.240here is a lot of these young people and I when I when I talk about somebody like Nick Fuentes or
00:10:11.960some of these people who are funded by these organizations. I'm not saying that they didn't
00:10:16.380come to these positions on their own, but Nick Fuentes even talks about how he came to his
00:10:20.440position. It wasn't through logic. It was through feeling pushed into these positions by, what's
00:10:27.180his name? Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro and other people who constantly went after him. And it's
00:10:32.260like, I can seemingly out of nowhere before he was famous or we're going to do a different episode1.00
00:10:38.960on the jews where we go into like the jews are causing a lot of problems for themselves right now0.99
00:10:44.160and jewish communities need to like they are minting anti-semites and if you look at nick0.99
00:10:52.560fuentes's history and how he was turned into an anti-semite you can see how any like young person0.98
00:10:58.900could have been radicalized by the way that ben shapiro using enormous power compared to what
00:11:06.740nick had at the time attempted to isolate and freeze him out and there's some people who back
00:11:12.220down when you do that to them but there's a lot of people especially people from young white male
00:11:16.540cultures in the united states that if you do that to them they are only going to double down you
00:11:20.800that is that it like definitionally there is nothing you could have done to him that would
00:11:26.080have forced him to double down more huge tactical mistake yes a massive tactical mistake that's
00:11:33.240being made across Jewish issues right now, which separate episode, because that one's going to
00:11:38.220piss off a lot of people. It's bad. It's bad. But I wanted to go into this because what I want to
00:11:43.400understand is one, who were they funding? What were they doing? How do they think this would
00:11:48.440work? People who want to say, no, no, no, genuinely, they were just trying to get
00:11:53.480information on these organizations. That's the biggest question I have. Were they doing what
00:11:59.660they're saying they were doing or were they actually just trying to fund the opposition so1.00
00:12:04.060an opposition existed so that their stupid flywheel of money could go on forever right um0.97
00:12:09.460have you looked into the the cases of this simone like are you familiar like what's your yes yeah0.98
00:12:14.900um what's my take on like what's actually going on i i think that they they reasoned internally
00:12:24.100to themselves that they were putting plants and informants inside these organizations and or
00:12:32.360working with people who said that they would be willing to serve as such for them. But I do not
00:12:38.080think that functionally, that's what they ended up doing. And it really, maybe without fully
00:12:45.440consciously acknowledging it, they were just fueling the racism themselves. We had experienced
00:12:51.400personally, someone who is acting as an undercover plant for the UK's equivalent of the Southern
00:12:59.180Poverty Law Center called Hope Not Hate. And so we know that organizations do this. They make up
00:13:04.560fake identities and they clearly fund these people. They give them budgets to go and try to
00:13:12.020embed with racists. But then we saw the other end of it. In the most charitable interpretation of
00:13:18.620this you know one in which funding wasn't used to fuel bad activity right which we know it was
00:13:26.480we know it was used to transport people to the charlottesville protests we know it was used to
00:13:31.300do actual concrete naughty things as it were but still what we were what what what happened with
00:13:38.660us was the the plant from hope not hate that interacted with us acted like they were a
00:13:44.380prospective investor but they were like super racist and kind of like kept dog whistling
00:13:50.340to us about sort of being some kind of supremacist and like they wanted to give us money now they
00:13:57.780never gave us money they never funded us so hope not hate was not doing that but they were still
00:14:02.340actively like shifting what could have been an overton window of like our world they were trying
00:14:10.660to communicate like yeah i have money and if you guys lean into my racist messaging then you can0.73
00:14:16.800have money too they were basically actively trying to make the pronatalist movement a more racist
00:14:22.860movement in everything that they did at everything that they went to and this is the most charitable
00:14:27.780interpretation where no money was actually given where this wasn't used to fund any any naughty
00:14:32.600bad stuff it was still this is stuff that you know we've already seen from organizations like
00:14:37.620hope not hate that they embedded people in the pro natalist movement to try to make the movement
00:14:43.080with promises of future funding more racist now we pushed back against that that is clear in the
00:14:49.000hope not hate documentation of what happened here where we're like no obviously they don't they don't
00:14:54.780publish that part but it's pretty obvious given that they weren't able to get us saying anything
00:14:58.780racist that we've pushed back pretty hard on his racist stuff but let's look at so in terms of the
00:15:05.140southern poverty law center did did you look at the indictment from the department of justice
00:15:10.320yeah and the claims made so because the indictment shows that this is just so much worse than what
00:15:17.220we had experienced from an embedded you know again charitably interpreted embedded plant
00:15:22.680trying to expose no it's so much worse and and to me i think it's implausible that they were just
00:15:28.740trying to get information yeah so in the indictment they they they anonymize the secret plants you
00:15:34.880probably are because we found that oh that's great but in terms of the charlotte the charlottesville
00:15:41.120plant there's just no way that they didn't fuel things happening so they call this one f37 in
00:15:48.800the indictment and f37 was okay if allegedly they're a southern poverty law center they
00:15:56.080nevertheless were a member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 unite the right
00:16:02.440event in charlottesville they they participated in planning it they attended the event at the
00:16:08.960southern poverty law center's direction they made racist postings under their supervision
00:16:14.360and helped coordinate transportation for several attendees without their participation it is
00:16:21.120plausible that maybe the event would not have happened because i could even see again if i go
00:16:26.620back to the you know our interaction no i mean it's worse than that it wouldn't have happened
00:16:32.080What would have happened is it would have just been a normal right-wing event, right-wing protest against racialist overreach against whites in America, which the leftists regularly do and is something worthy of protesting.
00:16:48.060But they come in with this explicit racist messaging so that they can discount a protest that's over an issue that a lot of people care about.
00:16:58.400Yeah. And it's, it's, it's been shown in so many different psychological studies that people will lean into norms set in a group. So if you have someone coming in and they're just like saying all these racist things and stuff, like, especially if they're charismatic and funny and otherwise like genial, you know, people might be like, yeah, sure. Like, whatever. Like, it makes me kind of uncomfortable, but I'm trying to fit in here.
00:17:21.980this is also a very known issue like i think plants with the fbi and and other government
00:17:27.620organizations that have also been embedded to try to like root out bad things like this
00:17:32.680then sometimes get implicated in crimes happening that would not have otherwise happened because
00:17:37.360they're like supplying guns and they're they're supplying other things and they end up going too
00:17:41.800far the thing that makes it implausible for me is so like okay so they they have these plants in
00:17:47.340these organizations yeah there are a few innocent things you could argue now first note that it the
00:17:54.160big red flag for me that that this is not an innocent explanation is they were funding fund
00:18:02.300fund funding this through money laundry oh yes yeah so the southern poverty law center created
00:18:08.280these separate bank accounts with different names that were so you know like oh what were the names
00:18:14.020of some of them they were so sus they they were they created fictitious entities called the center
00:18:20.420investigative agency and fox photography and northwest technologies and tech writers group
00:18:26.860and rare books warehouse to conceal the money that came from the donor funds from the this
00:18:33.300non-profit and then after the accounts were shut down they claim in the indictment at least that
00:18:38.800the southern poverty law center then continued to pay these these secret informants through
00:18:43.920ach transfers which they labeled with disguised monikers like rare books 050 and ipr research
00:18:51.420con 050 like they were caught and they went back to doing it after being caught i didn't pick up
00:18:59.700from the indictment which i'm going to link to in the show notes i'll put show notes in
00:19:03.480why they were why those accounts were shut down but i think at that point they were trying to hide
00:19:08.840it keep in mind and i don't know like in the response that they have posted to this indictment
00:19:14.780it is an interim ceo giving the response and the that means that like there's the the former ceo
00:19:24.300whose salary i have because i also want to discuss how much of this leadership is is making
00:19:28.740for this non-profit how much so i think something happened with leadership maybe they saw this
00:19:34.220coming or they knew about the indictment they must have known about the indictment that this
00:19:37.380was coming so the previous ceo who is margaret huang she made 466 934 dollars in reportable0.84
00:19:47.280compensation for the the 990 non-profit million dollars a half million dollars she was making0.93
00:19:52.600And then other compensation from Southern Poverty Law Center related organizations, another $55,000.0.77
00:19:59.840So, which is like, you know, a year's salary for a normal person.0.78
00:20:03.320But no, that's just her extra, extra compensation.
00:20:06.860So what I want to go over here is to continue going through this thought experiment.
00:20:10.400So we know that they were willing to go to great lengths to attempt to hide this, which keep in mind, you can do this sort of stuff without needing to hide these trails, right?
00:20:19.040The KKK does not have a very sophisticated financial investigation wing to track this
00:20:32.480So the fact that they went out of their way to launder money to do these sorts of operations
00:20:37.020against technologically unsophisticated groups that are dramatically underfunded, certainly
00:20:43.940wouldn't be able to track them, shows that this was about hiding it.
00:20:48.500not from those groups but from stuff like the federal government well no from donors is and
00:20:54.060that's what this indictment is about it's it's not like oh you're trying to hide this from us
00:20:58.160it's that you lied to donors these people thought that they were funding because they're very clear
00:21:03.520about their mission that they're trying to you know bring an end to racism in the south and to
00:21:08.740create a very inclusive you know non-racist america and what they were ending up doing was
00:21:15.760funding the most racist organizations in the united states like cartoonishly racist not even
00:21:21.820efficacious organizations when we keep seeing this like the blm fraud right where you know they
00:21:27.360ran off with all the money but okay so could they plausibly actually another tangent i want to go on
00:21:33.860before i go into this okay this is why we on the right need to be very guarded against people who
00:21:42.040come off like this right or against people who have been fooled by people who come off like this
00:21:47.840and be like no that's not what we stand for and you really shouldn't say things like that you
00:21:53.760it's not even to say like it's wrong which i don't say i say well i can understand how somebody could
00:21:59.920have these perspectives it doesn't help us win okay including that in the panoply of things that
00:22:07.100we are fighting for does not help us win and this is where somebody on the leaflet thread they wanted
00:22:13.400me to address that this asmogold saying that he agrees with 99 of what nick fuentes says right
00:22:18.480and i'm like yeah i do too nick fuentes says a lot of stuff but when you say it's it's the one
00:22:25.760percent of stuff that's absolutely crazy that i'm like and that's obviously meant to sabotage the
00:22:31.940movement you say 99 of things okay and then you say that one percent like i you know i want u.s
00:22:38.260troops to die right like what i want the u.s to lose in iran how are you on our side in any of
00:22:46.800this right or when i talk about like the things that the right just can't accept when he's like
00:22:51.260yeah i can't support trump anymore because he took jd vance to the cap a vp candidate jd vance
00:22:57.660a anti-war he's the most anti-iran war guy right now in the white house
00:23:03.400yeah because in an interracial relationship actually having is that his stated reason
00:23:10.400is that his stated reason that was his original stated reason he's in an interracial
00:23:13.880and i'm like bro that will not win elections we will never and people are like well if we
00:23:21.280could get all the whites to vote this way but they won't okay you know they won't i know they
00:23:26.240won't they just they don't care most people don't care yeah so if you culturally want to have some
00:23:33.980some bias against that fine whatever but we are in this to actually win not get money from the
00:23:41.320what is it a southern poverty law center spcl is that splc splc nick yes from the the southern
00:23:52.780property law center and i i i note that like you you guys need to stop being so gullible about this
00:23:59.200stuff like i it kind of gets me because i wonder when we do some comments are these like page
00:24:04.960it's very clear that on like our subreddit recently a bunch of people have been coming
00:24:10.420in creating stupid straw ban arguments that nobody who's like actually trying to win would0.59
00:24:14.440be making and it's like why is somebody doing this oh you're probably trying to get this0.81
00:24:19.420subreddit banned entirely you know you already got it shadow banned when it when it previously
00:24:23.500had made its way up to one of the top 50 easily subreddits on the website which was very frustrating
00:24:29.580but that's where we are but okay back to plausible is their explanation good enough
00:24:36.680so it was over the course of nine years it was over three million dollars with much money one
00:24:44.100million alone going to just one guy in organization so enormous amounts concentrated going to
00:24:49.880individuals keeping this stuff alive involved in the biggest flashpoints in organizing the biggest
00:24:55.780racial flashpoints and so you could say well why could they have been doing this like what are the
00:25:00.860plausible other reasons to do this reason number one is they wanted to sabotage these organizations
00:25:08.060efforts right like that could have been a good reason to do this completely implausible
00:25:14.100Like the guys made no actions to sabotage anything and repeatedly advanced the efforts of these organizations and then got more money.
00:25:24.180Like you could say, like, maybe we gave him some money and he said he was going to sabotage it and then he didn't sabotage it.
00:25:29.180And then we stopped giving him money. But no, they went out of the way to even change how they were funding the guy.
00:25:33.640Right. Or various of these guys. So that's that's not in this.
00:25:36.620So just to be a little more concrete, the over $1 million that you're referring to was for not the Unite the Right rally that we referred to earlier, but rather a different informant that was associated with the neo-Nazi National Alliance.
00:25:55.960And the indictment at least states that the donation money was used, quote, for the benefit of the individuals as well as the violent extremist groups, end quote.
00:26:06.620which in this case includes a fundraiser
00:26:34.940And they were filling the pockets and sustaining the lifestyle of basically people who served as free volunteers for these organizations, keeping them alive.
00:26:45.080So we have the plausible they are infiltrating these organizations to sabotage them.
00:27:10.220So what information might you have wanted to get from these organizations?
00:27:17.960The key reason you would want to implant yourself in a potentially racist organization, like
00:27:24.000Hope Not Hate did with us was to try to find evidence of or create evidence of that organization
00:27:30.560being racist. The problem is, is that the organizations that they were implanting
00:27:35.540themselves in are clearly on their face racist. You don't need a secret informant to know that
00:27:41.840the KKK is racist. I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah. They're like, guys, guys, we found
00:27:48.400out the kkk they're kind of racist they they do racist stuff and have a racist view yes that's
00:27:57.460completely implausible so you could say okay well it might be to track their operations or to look0.53
00:28:05.020for like are they going to do anything violent in the future or anything like that right yeah and
00:28:08.740and to be clear the interim ceo's response to this indictment press release is the the information we
00:28:15.800found saved lives they're trying to argue that just just to again yeah the problem is is that
00:28:22.720this is also completely implausible so first of all the information that they gathered from these
00:28:30.020organizations the the files that they stole and stuff like that were of past actions of the
00:28:35.560organization they weren't of future plans of the organization they were of past receipts etc right
00:28:43.000Like they were about what the organization had did historically.
00:28:46.540That is a very little utility of saving lives or preventing future terroristic action.
00:28:54.360Secondarily, the people that they were giving money to within these organizations seemed
00:28:59.880ideologically aligned with these organizational visions, right?
00:29:03.860They were only using this money to advance the causes of these organizations.
00:29:07.620If there was some terroristic action in the planning, these people simply wouldn't tell them. They would have no reason to tell them. They would actually have an even easier time occluding that some terroristic action was happening.
00:29:25.360if you wanted to search out that what you would do is embed somebody in these organizations
00:29:31.860like hope not hated with views that are actually leftist views just pretending to be a rightist
00:29:38.620you don't actually give the money to somebody who wants to say exterminate the jews right like that
00:29:45.420what what else could they plausibly have have put them in for and i'd note here if they're like oh
00:29:53.560this information saved lives point to it what operation did you run based on this what no
00:30:00.120they said was that they gave information to law enforcement that saved lives they weren't
00:30:05.280explicit about it it's not illegal for them to be explicit about it so why aren't they oh because
00:30:10.400yeah yeah yeah that's true if i were them i'd be like look there was this one instance where they
00:30:15.220were like we're gonna take out this guy and then we told the police and that guy was put in a safe
00:30:20.500house and now he's okay i want to say that yeah it's it's much better story the the final and this
00:30:26.700this is the like okay maybe maybe is they were just trying to get people involved in these
00:30:33.440organizations arrested get enough information from people within this wider sphere who might
00:30:39.700have been hostile to other people that is you you note the people that they were targeting people
00:30:43.400who had lots of beefs within these spaces and get them to attempt to wipe people out of these spaces
00:30:50.980that that is plausible but then why why aren't they why aren't they noting whims on that front
00:31:00.260like presumably they should have been able to get multiple arrests with with that much money
00:31:04.860and well the narrative they've presented though because they're saying well we're not doing it
00:31:11.140anymore. And when we did do it, it was in order to gather credible intelligence on white supremacist
00:31:19.560and extremist groups that pose serious threats to communities. So I think the story they're
00:31:24.540trying to sell is, well, we thought that if we paid these people to be spies and moles inside
00:31:31.820these organizations, that we would be able to protect vulnerable communities that might be
00:31:36.940victimized by them and that was the whole point when i mean that it's flimsy but when you look
00:31:42.460at the reporting on very left-leaning organizations or media outlets that are covering this they're
00:31:49.740just running with it like well obviously the southern poverty law center needed to embed with
00:31:54.500evil groups to keep people safe and they sort of hand wave with that and so i mean it's not great
00:32:00.700but i think if you if you don't pay enough attention it's okay it works well yeah if you're
00:32:06.360if you're not paying attention, this seems plausible, but if you actually look at the
00:32:10.600on the ground facts, we don't have any meaningful information that was ever transferred to the
00:32:15.700Southern Poverty Law Center. Now let's look at the counterfactual, right? They would put that
00:32:21.360information out there. There's legally no reason why they shouldn't. They kind of do. So they,
00:32:25.600they went off, they went off Twitter X, formerly known as Twitter in 2024 with Elon Musk, I think
00:32:33.700really rising on it yeah they just they left their account there but they stopped posting
00:32:38.580and that was the period in which this whole activity was very active and now all of their
00:32:43.740posts which they just you know left up feel like just a report on all of the racist activity that
00:32:50.800they funded they're like look at the racism across america and they like proudly have you know their
00:32:56.700whole like racist maps of america and all this stuff and it now when you look at it and you
00:33:01.980scroll through it knowing this it just reads so different active hate and anti-government groups
00:33:08.260in the u.s in 2023 and then it like gives this like animated map and it just seems like this
00:33:14.000proud count of things that they've funded it's really bad no but the the funny thing is is that
00:33:20.480if you think about this from their perspective okay so you are them let's go back 10 years when
00:33:27.020this started right if you guys remember what the kkk was like 10 years ago or what racist groups
00:33:33.600were like in america 10 years ago they would do like a kkk rally and it'd be like four old men
00:33:39.240like it was so sad it was it made you actually feel kind of sad for them you're like wow like
00:33:45.500they'd be like oh buddy like do you want do you want me to join you yeah like come on i'll put
00:33:51.000on a blue pillow and some khakis and buy a tiki torch and walk with you yeah it's okay crowd
00:33:57.980yelling at them which of course always happened as well now you look at like the tiki torch rallies
00:34:04.260and stuff like that during the period that this was being funded i can totally see what's going
00:34:08.940through their heads they look at these protests and they're like this is why nobody's giving us
00:34:12.680money anymore because there aren't cartoonish racists in america anymore and we need to create
00:34:19.360them and note here like you can talk about like and this is what the new right people are like
00:34:26.720oh i don't like you speaking on the values of this new right movement it's like i'm i'm sorry
00:34:31.200there's few people who more embody the tech right than like us right like we we're not only that but
00:34:38.900we have a pretty loud voice in the space as well so like it's easy for us to on a loud large scale
00:34:45.960and intellectually articulate because that's one of the things we do on the show is anthropology
00:34:51.660and political strategy so for us to be talking about it only makes sense right and through
00:34:58.860talking about it and through defining and helping understand it better we can develop you know you
00:35:05.500can summon it into being to an extent which is what we've been seeing more and more is this
00:35:10.620community of content creators who represent this movement and in this movement we try to have
00:35:16.460honest discussions about race about genetic differences about where interracial integration
00:35:23.980is not working where we need to uh because these conversations like need to be had there are way
00:35:31.800when somebody's like oh there are racial yeah there's racial conflicts and that means
00:35:35.300that interracial integration isn't going the way that like the urban monoculture wants it to go
00:35:40.720so we need to talk about how we actually long term could resolve these issues and these
00:35:46.940conversations that absolutely need to happen get shut down by the person who's just making like
00:35:53.460racial slurs or secret nazi signs to like troll reporters or you know although it was hilarious
00:36:01.760nick's your body my choice thing right like that was well done that was also his pierce morgan
00:36:07.780interview was very well done um like he hasn't done everything but like when somebody's like0.85
00:36:11.740i agree like that entire pierce morgan interview i was like clearly pierce morgan is a buffoon
00:36:18.880compared to nick fuentes on these well as you pointed out elsewhere people just really like
00:36:53.280people call the woke right right like it is it is not the deontological nick faction that people
00:36:59.840call the woke right which is funny because they've tried to claim that people are referring to them
00:37:04.000but if you actually read the long breakdowns on who is this new woke right contingent they're
00:37:11.340very clearly talking about us see our video on that if you're if you're interested in it and
00:37:16.200and sort of our wider intellectual sphere and when i say us i don't mean us specifically i'm
00:37:21.040talking about like this wider community that isn't obsessed with creating a sort of theocracy
00:37:27.220in the united states but instead wants to win on sane policy issues because we can do that now
00:37:34.260right well and and push very hard against really dangerous cults that are growing in our country0.94
00:37:40.680like the cult that's growing under the banner under the guise of a part of the trans movement
00:37:46.740that I think a lot of people can see that is behaving more like a cult. And we can work to0.93
00:37:51.480address this, but we can't work to address this when somebody comes in the worm and then starts0.64
00:37:57.240shouting, you know, slurs at these groups and stuff like that, or starts berating gay people0.57
00:38:03.580or something, right? Like that prevents us from having the same conversations that we need to have
00:38:09.700to get realistic policy implemented, because presumably that's all of our goals, right?
00:38:15.620It's many to build a large enough coalition that we can actually change the cultural window. And I think that they frankly were effective at doing this. And worse, this galvanizes the left. When you have the left go out and do the BLM movement and everything like that, obviously funded by Russia, see our episode on that. If you're unfamiliar with it being funded by Russia, like the receipts are manifold.
00:38:41.520that blew my mind i was like this can't possibly even be literally the you know the left was like
00:38:47.580oh russia funded like donald trump's election literally of the money they were spending to
00:38:53.440try to manipulate american public opinion for every one dollar that went to help trump win the
00:38:59.460election or was presumably went to help trump they spent on all spoiler candidates they also
00:39:04.340spent on bernie sanders so like clearly it wasn't a left versus right thing they spent for every one
00:39:09.640dollar on trump it was nine dollars on blm right uh so when people are like oh russia putin buddy
00:39:16.740buddy i'm like if you don't like blm like these people are effing with us right but in regard to
00:39:22.420the the blm stuff but i think it was russia's funding of that in in coalition with stuff like
00:39:30.380this group that allowed for this perception on the left they need these large crowds doing these
00:39:37.800racist things but you can't raise money if all you have is photos of pathetic kkk rallies with0.91
00:39:46.260like five old men showing up right you need you need good photos you need good stories you need
00:39:52.480good anecdotes and if they did not invest that three million dollars they would have had a harder
00:39:57.980time raising however many million dollars they've raised i actually only looked at their leadership
00:40:05.520salaries. I didn't look at how much they've raised historically, but no doubt it's a lot
00:40:09.420because while their top CEO was paid almost $500,000 on almost half a million, basically the
00:40:17.300next five leadership people were each paid around $270,000, $250,000. Like a lot of money. These
00:40:25.480are huge salaries for a nonprofit. So they must be raising a ton of money. Oh, by the way, if you
00:40:32.640just want to go over quickly on the nick fuentes being widely astroturfed sure so what we see is
00:40:38.040in the first 30 minutes after posting fuentes routinely gets retweets at amounts 10 to 100x
00:40:44.520more than his followers would suggest outperforming individuals like elon musk which just does not
00:40:52.540make sense who has 200 million plus followers in raw numbers from nick fuentes tweets now the
00:40:59.820accounts that were doing this when they did the thing where they revealed what countries these
00:41:04.400accounts were from they were predominantly from india pakistan nigeria malaysia and indonesia
00:41:11.200not famously countries with a bunch of you know like anti-indian racists and stuff like that0.73
00:41:16.720why that's pakistan right they get all the pakistanis who hate indians and all the indians
00:41:20.540who hate pakistanis to retweet him now obviously this is a this is a faking it campaign 60 to 92
00:41:28.140percent of that initial burst comes from a small cluster of accounts that retweet him within
00:41:33.480multiple minutes 92 percent of these repeat early retweeters were fully anonymous and it was only
00:41:39.440revealed that they were from these countries when the the big leak came came out so very likely that
00:41:46.740if we're seeing his x account being heavily faked this says to me that his viewers are probably
00:41:54.460heavily faked as well um which is almost sort of sad because like i i don't i don't think that he
00:42:02.340isn't bringing something valuable to the conversation i think that there are some
00:42:06.340areas that are worth digging in further you know it is worth being more critical and we'll definitely
00:42:13.620be doing that in a in a near future episode of jewish relations with the right in the united
00:42:19.820States and how those can be best addressed given some recent events. And that is absolutely
00:42:28.040something that is very hard for people to surface. And when I say hard, I mean,
00:42:37.120logistically hard. You bring that up, your account gets banned. As we saw happen to,
00:42:43.180who's that giant creator who found that Jewish city in New Jersey and they removed him from
00:42:48.780patreon oh yeah i don't know his name but yeah he he also looked at indian communities he's just
00:42:54.760looked at crime in new york it's not as though his entire account is i hate you know what's
00:43:00.160crazier is like his attack on the indian community was over a cultural festival right like that
00:43:08.420they've been doing for a long time like that's just part of their culture that is oh no he also
00:43:13.880did a separate one on on a primarily indian community i think in in texas maybe it was in
00:43:19.800tyler where he he walked around but no no a lot of it was like he would ask people he'd like go
00:43:29.080into like a 7-eleven like i'm gonna find the indians and then he'd walk into a 7-eleven and
00:43:32.700be like hey on what visa are you here do you plan on staying here where's your family you know he
00:43:39.160just ask those kinds of questions because the premise of it of the video was this texas town
00:43:44.340or city is being taken over by indian immigrants okay i will go talk with them but anyway but the
00:43:50.080point being is that both of these attacks on indians were significantly more unfounded okay
00:43:55.700because one was a very cultural ceremony and the other was people being here illegal then0.84
00:44:00.480demonstrably large amounts of welfare fraud by hasidic jews right like this is a well-recorded0.68
00:44:08.140phenomenon right and it was apparently particularly egregious in the town and documentedly egregious1.00
00:44:15.340this wasn't like a he figured this out thing this is a like a well-known phenomenon in this region
00:44:21.640yeah i mean he went to the town because it was famous for it he went to all these places because
00:44:26.000they were famous for these things but in the episode on that what we're basically going to
00:44:30.500point out is then the adl went to have him banned so he couldn't like they moved against him they
00:44:38.120spoke against him rather than just admitting like oh or or better like most communities should do0.74
00:44:46.420go after the the the jews who were committing the welfare fraud be like hey this is the problem and0.88
00:44:52.260they shouldn't be doing this and we're glad that he brought this to our attention so that this can0.99
00:44:55.780be addressed was in because there used to be jewish courts were handling this but we'll go over this
00:44:59.560in our episode on that. But the point I'm making here is it's important that we as a wider movement
00:45:05.520do not fall for what is astroturfed or like what is fake and the sort of performative racism of
00:45:14.320youth that doesn't move these conversations forward in a productive manner. There are a lot
00:45:21.680of people who are able to finally, after years, after decades, move the conversation around
00:45:30.360genetics, around birth rates, around immigrants, communities, not integrating with local communities,
00:45:38.840able to move these conversations forwards to the part where we are seeing policy downstream
00:45:44.020of these implications actually being implemented, actually being plausible. And these other groups
00:45:51.380are just spoilers for our ability to achieve these imps. And I mean, we're winning. We're
00:45:56.520winning on restricting abortion access. We're winning. This stuff is moving forwards, right?1.00
00:46:02.240We're currently winning against the trans ideology. We're currently winning against other1.00
00:46:08.020demonstrably harmful ideologies. But we only keep winning if we don't allow ourselves to be cucked
00:46:15.880by the groups like Hope Not Hate that want to create the actual cartoonish racism.
00:46:21.380And I think it's important that we see these people as one in the same.
00:46:28.220The KKK are foot soldiers of the Southern Poverty Law Center, not us.
00:46:33.700And that's why, as we pointed out in How the White Lost the Racists, the heads of the KKK, if you didn't know this, going into the last Trump election, like this Trump election cycle, said, do not vote for Donald Trump.