Based Camp - The Left is Starting to See Their Mistakes! (Should we worry？)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! I am excited to be here with you today.

00:00:02.460 Today we are going to be analyzing a piece that was written by leftists

00:00:05.940 and I think is the closest to understanding why they are actually failing

00:00:10.280 and how they can reverse course, which is in a way concerning for me.

00:00:14.960 For a long time, fighting the left, it feels a bit like fighting the left in Star Trek.

00:00:19.520 Basically every communist revolution ever.

00:00:21.920 I am King Pakland.

00:00:24.240 Finally! It is an honor to meet you, sir.

00:00:26.820 I am Emperor of the Pakleds. 1.00

00:00:31.880 Okay! 0.99

00:00:32.980 Die! 1.00

00:00:36.680 The big helmeted Pakleds will no longer control us! 1.00

00:00:41.900 Ooh! 0.96

00:00:43.160 I am now Pakled leader!

00:00:46.820 Behold! My giant helmet!

00:00:49.620 He is strong! 1.00

00:00:50.960 Where it's this race that is malevolent, but it is also tremendously stupid and ugly. 1.00

00:00:58.360 And so, like, they're just, like, lumbering idiots and they keep making mistakes and they're like, 1.00

00:01:03.780 I bet it's because men are misogynists that Kamala didn't win. 1.00

00:01:07.360 There's been a recent one that I might even want to analyze if people want me to go deeper into it.

00:01:10.560 There's, like, a big leftist analysis of how Trump manipulated results working with, like, Teal and Elon.

00:01:17.900 And it's very much like a mirrored version of the right-wing thing.

00:01:21.260 Wow!

00:01:22.400 I found it interesting because the way that they argued felt very much like the first time around.

00:01:27.940 Like, it was almost like they studied or they were even part of that first time around phenomenon and now they're on the other side.

00:01:33.200 Whoever was doing this, because they clearly had practice.

00:01:35.380 So that'd be interesting to go into.

00:01:37.240 But this one, it was from an article in The Guardian.

00:01:41.360 You know, our personal PR team.

00:01:43.160 Nobody gives us more free press than they do.

00:01:45.140 Getting Guardian reporters to come to our house and report on us.

00:01:48.100 There's been, like, 12 pieces this year, by the way.

00:01:50.040 Often feels a bit like this scene with the Pakled. 1.00

00:01:52.420 We are Pakled.

00:01:53.880 We are honest traders.

00:01:56.900 Oh, we need information.

00:02:01.420 I don't know anything.

00:02:03.540 You are Pakled? 1.00

00:02:07.260 Yes, we are Pakled. 0.98

00:02:09.740 Oh, then you have knowledge. 1.00

00:02:12.140 You are not stupid. 1.00

00:02:15.040 No, we are not stupid. 1.00

00:02:17.720 Then you will beam over and tell us what we need to know. 0.97

00:02:21.720 Oh, no, no, I'm afraid.

00:02:24.000 I will not beam over.

00:02:26.780 Why?

00:02:27.840 You are Klingon. 1.00

00:02:29.680 We are Pakled.

00:02:30.820 I do not understand you.

00:02:34.120 It is difficult to understand.

00:02:39.980 Well, then you must come aboard our ship and explain why you are afraid to come aboard.

00:02:46.340 Yes, I will do that.

00:02:48.440 I will beam over and explain.

00:02:50.620 You are a good negotiator, Captain.

00:02:57.180 Yes.

00:02:58.200 We are Pakled.

00:02:59.460 They really hate us, by the way, but they're good at pumping out pieces on us.

00:03:06.020 They're actually the least accurate of all the news sources that write on us.

00:03:10.640 I've never seen any other news source make as many factual errors as The Guardian does,

00:03:14.560 but I'm including tabloids here, which has really surprised me.

00:03:17.120 But again, a lot of old, good newspapers, like Vice and the Anna Phelan-Sphere, Kiersha thing,

00:03:22.860 people would be like, what?

00:03:24.080 Vice is the number one mistake publication on you?

00:03:26.620 And Kiersha would be like, yeah, they just make stuff up. 1.00

00:03:29.120 And so it's interesting, the publications that really stick to journalistic integrity.

00:03:32.920 One that has, by the way, is the New York Times.

00:03:35.040 They're very diligent in checking things whenever they do a piece on us.

00:03:38.940 But to this, instead of some insider baseball here, let's go over this piece.

00:03:43.920 We're going to cut into like midway through it.

00:03:46.440 It's called, How Does the Woke Start Winning Again?

00:03:48.580 British progressives have suffered major setbacks in recent years in both public opinion and

00:03:52.740 court rulings.

00:03:53.500 Was the backlash inevitable?

00:03:55.160 And are new tactics needed?

00:03:56.800 By Gabby Hensliff.

00:03:58.580 And I just hope that nobody hires this woman to do any strategy for the, you know, the Labor 1.00

00:04:02.760 Party or the Dems, right?

00:04:04.400 That'd be a little worrying to me.

00:04:05.900 Or sorry, in the UK, she would probably.

00:04:08.700 Be helping the Conservative Party.

00:04:10.320 Because they're so woke.

00:04:12.040 But anyway, anyway, anyway, joke there.

00:04:13.940 The Tories. 0.82

00:04:14.740 Robert Wintmute is a professor of human rights law at King's College London, a gay man who

00:04:20.780 worked for decades on anti-discrimination test cases and helped draft the so-called Yagarakata

00:04:26.480 principles, a founding statement of the campaign for self-identification or the right for trans

00:04:32.080 people to gain legal recognition in their preferred sexual orientation or gender identity

00:04:36.360 without requiring a doctor's diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

00:04:39.960 In a 2005 book, he argued that LGB people had a quote-unquote moral duty to speak out

00:04:46.100 for the T.

00:04:47.240 His new book, Transgender Rights vs. Women's Rights, From Conflicts to Coexistence, explains

00:04:52.080 why he changed his mind.

00:04:53.400 So what I find really interesting here, and I think that this is what Wokas should have 1.00

00:04:57.960 been doing, is exploring why people who used to be on their team or used to be like unmitigatedly

00:05:04.200 on their team switched their beliefs.

00:05:06.640 You know, I see a lot of people, you know, they'll look at like J.K.

00:05:09.340 Rowling and they'll be like, okay, she went transphobic, right?

00:05:11.460 And it's like, but like, I've never seen a leftist really deeply try to understand what

00:05:16.740 changed her mind in this area.

00:05:18.540 It's clear she's not a conservative Christian, and she certainly didn't have any alliance

00:05:22.020 with the old conservative movement.

00:05:23.680 Like, why did she change her position on the, from one of unmitigated trans support to trans

00:05:30.600 skepticism?

00:05:31.700 And with Elon, it's less of a question for people.

00:05:34.580 A lot of people are like, this is a personal beef with his kid.

00:05:36.640 And I think that that's part of it.

00:05:38.300 But the question is, is why did he even begin to start that personal beef with his kid,

00:05:42.160 right?

00:05:42.380 Like, or you can look at individuals like us who have gone to the right, right?

00:05:45.360 Like we used to be leftists, right?

00:05:47.420 Right.

00:05:48.160 Solidly leftists.

00:05:48.960 And now I consider myself solidly a rightist on, on almost every issue.

00:05:52.780 Like we're not even, you know, toe dippy about this stuff at this point, right?

00:05:57.140 And a lot of people would be like, well, you, you're not like racist or anti-Semitic or like,

00:06:00.980 yeah, I get, that's not the right.

00:06:02.300 Okay.

00:06:02.960 You don't like hate gay people.

00:06:04.400 It's like, that's not the right.

00:06:05.500 You know, I, I, I've done a lot of episodes supporting the right for different cultures

00:06:09.420 who have different perceptions of things like this.

00:06:11.840 And I think that that's all we can really hope to win as the right right now, you know,

00:06:15.880 fight to not have like Mormons canceled because they hold Mormon beliefs.

00:06:19.480 We're just fighting for cultural sovereignty, which is so different from what we grew up thinking

00:06:24.560 the right was about.

00:06:26.200 Well, because the right wasn't about that when we grew up, they had enough power to enforce

00:06:29.720 their cultural.

00:06:30.400 Yeah, it at the time was the party of cultural imperialism.

00:06:34.680 And now that has inverted.

00:06:36.080 They, they, they had enough power to enforce their beliefs on the general population through

00:06:40.820 voting.

00:06:41.440 And now the urban monoculture is the core cultural force.

00:06:44.120 So the people who are resistant to it, which was mostly weirdos like us and religious conservatives

00:06:48.400 and people who just want to be able to live their lives without being constantly harassed

00:06:52.180 for being men, you know, they all find common ground with each other in a way that, that can

00:06:57.260 confuse some people who assume that we're still dealing with the party from 30 years

00:07:00.260 ago.

00:07:01.980 And I don't know why people just like don't update.

00:07:04.560 I guess a lot of them are like sad that things changed.

00:07:06.820 Like the left is sad that they're no longer the party being oppressed.

00:07:09.660 And so they just pretend that they're not.

00:07:11.880 And the right.

00:07:12.160 I genuinely think they don't know that.

00:07:13.700 Just like we, we receive literal physical hate mail from people who still read Paul Ehrlich's

00:07:20.140 book, The Population Bomb, and literally think there are too many people and that we're

00:07:25.120 going to overpopulate and not be able to feed everyone.

00:07:27.960 So I think people just don't update very easily.

00:07:33.500 Makes sense.

00:07:34.260 Okay.

00:07:34.420 So let's continue here.

00:07:35.540 So this guy used to be like as pro trans as you could be, and then he flipped against

00:07:39.180 it.

00:07:39.560 And people might ask like, why are you so focused on the trans issue before I go further?

00:07:43.720 Why are conservatives so focused on this issue when it applies to such a small number

00:07:47.960 of people?

00:07:48.700 And there are a number of reasons for this.

00:07:50.360 The first is the scale of the wrong being committed is astronomical, even if it's only

00:07:57.400 a few people.

00:07:58.000 If the left normalized guys going around like, like far leftist guys and no one else gets

00:08:03.320 to, you know, every Sunday at school flash the other kids.

00:08:06.320 Like you'd be like, and they're like, well, only a few kids participate in this per state.

00:08:10.680 And it's like, it doesn't matter.

00:08:12.340 Like if, if, if they had like fighting rings where like men got to beat up on, on little

00:08:17.640 girls, right?

00:08:18.400 Like you'd be like, and they're like, ah, this only happens a few times a year.

00:08:21.500 And it's like, it doesn't matter.

00:08:22.340 Like the, the, the, the shock of it and the shock of the dehumanization involved in it.

00:08:29.440 And as well as the lack of consent that's required, you know, you have this phenomenon

00:08:33.700 where it was the gay movement.

00:08:34.840 They wanted to be able to live life the way they wanted to be able to live.

00:08:36.760 It was the trans movement.

00:08:37.940 It's that they want to force you to, to recognize their lifestyle.

00:08:42.380 They want to be able to force you without your consent to gender them in the way they 1.00

00:08:46.000 want to be gendered. 1.00

00:08:46.740 And that's just cultural imposition, you know, especially if they're not passing and most 0.50

00:08:50.600 conservatives, as I've seen do correctly gender people who pass, but the specific instance

00:08:55.420 of individuals who clearly get off on violating other people's consent and intentionally

00:08:59.100 not passing like Alec Bain Menon or something like that.

00:09:01.860 This is a kink. 0.95

00:09:02.840 Like this is not whatever we were told dysphoria was.

00:09:05.640 And so the fact that they can not just violate people's consent wantonly, and they are supported

00:09:10.920 by the dominant culture, but they can violate children's consent wanted and regularly do this.

00:09:15.800 For example, look at the way people dressed at like drag reading hour at children's bookstores

00:09:21.660 and stuff like that.

00:09:22.900 This is clearly not people who just want to pass as another gender.

00:09:27.600 This is a sexualized outfit that is closer to something like going to a children's bookstore

00:09:35.940 in lingerie.

00:09:37.120 This is an outfit that is used to express one's sexuality, not one's gender, and to impose 0.95

00:09:45.440 that on children.

00:09:47.120 That is why, even if it's happening rarely, the fact that you cannot help us prevent this

00:09:53.980 means that we need to keep getting louder and louder on this issue.

00:09:57.820 You know, this is where I have to come back and be like, okay, like, even if it's a small

00:10:02.880 number of people, it's something we need to like address as a society.

00:10:07.240 And the left, not just like fervently is against addressing it, but will try to ruin your life

00:10:12.760 if you even bring it up as an issue.

00:10:14.420 And I think that that's the other thing, right?

00:10:16.280 Like, is it's not like, they're just like, we don't want to have this conversation.

00:10:20.480 It's like what happened with Kirsha.

00:10:21.640 It's like, I want you to be living on the street if you at all look into it.

00:10:25.420 I will destroy your career, your reputation, your job prospects.

00:10:29.800 Yeah.

00:10:31.040 But to continue, how did this person turn, right?

00:10:34.320 Whitman was teaching summer school in 2018 when a student asked why in law a married person

00:10:39.320 who transitioned must seek their spouse's consent to remain in what would be a same-sex marriage. 0.87

00:10:44.320 When Whitman said the rationale was protecting the spouse's right, he was challenged by the

00:10:48.700 trans student who walked out when the professor said that trans rights don't trump all others

00:10:53.940 in law.

00:10:55.000 This student, he writes, didn't seem to have considered that non-transgender people have

00:11:00.260 human rights.

00:11:01.480 And this is something we regularly see.

00:11:03.100 This is what I'm talking about was this consent thing.

00:11:04.820 They don't understand.

00:11:05.620 They're like, I should have the right to force you to gender me, whatever your cultural norms, 0.98

00:11:10.580 however you see what a man and a woman is, to see it in my way.

00:11:14.320 This isn't like a rare phenomenon for like one individual.

00:11:18.100 This is core to the direction the entire movement has gone.

00:11:21.140 And it didn't need to go this way.

00:11:22.620 Like there is a way that it went in a direction, which it was originally going.

00:11:26.780 If you look at where the movement was going in like the 80s and stuff like that, where

00:11:30.280 it was just, you know, normalized with constraint and not to highlight, as we've talked about

00:11:35.580 in other episodes, the Cenobites who use the trans identity for cover to wantonly violate 0.99

00:11:41.900 other people's consents because they fundamentally don't believe other people have rights.

00:11:45.260 And I've never seen a leftist realize this before or be like, oh, I hadn't considered,

00:11:49.740 but it's true.

00:11:51.140 That's a big issue that we are defending a community that tries to dehumanize and strip

00:11:55.580 the rights of other cultural groups and communities.

00:11:59.200 That's a really good point.

00:12:00.300 I've never seen someone on the left discuss the consent issue, the trans consent issue.

00:12:05.220 That's really huge.

00:12:07.080 Yeah.

00:12:07.800 That's really strange too, because they're all about consent.

00:12:11.160 Well, they're not really about consent.

00:12:13.680 They're about-

00:12:14.520 They would say they're all about consent.

00:12:16.300 Yeah.

00:12:16.480 They're about pretending they're about consent.

00:12:18.340 But if you look at what they push, particularly was in the trans movement or the common fantasies

00:12:23.080 DC was in this movement as we went in with the Annabelle episode, a lot of for you stuff,

00:12:26.760 a lot of complaints.

00:12:27.720 You can go to our Life of the Cenobite episode where she complains that not enough cis women 0.75

00:12:33.260 were sleeping with her.

00:12:34.420 And so they should be forced to sleep with her.

00:12:36.440 That that is the only way to create equity.

00:12:39.840 And that she was not canceled for this.

00:12:41.640 You know, she says this and then has a career as a writer at Vice where she is writing multiple 0.99

00:12:46.920 spurious articles that are just completely fictional in their accusations, calling somebody else

00:12:51.840 a Nazi. 0.68

00:12:52.200 They then had to take down all those articles and somehow she still has a job.

00:12:56.080 Anyone else who this happened to would lose their job, right?

00:12:59.400 Like, but you see the degree of a protected class you have within the urban monoculture.

00:13:04.360 She just lied in these articles.

00:13:07.320 Just lied.

00:13:08.740 Said that Kirsha said something racist when all she said is that she was a great replacement

00:13:13.120 serious when all she said was that demographics are changing.

00:13:16.500 But to continue here.

00:13:17.220 Ostracized by old allies, Whitman started speaking at events organized by the LGB Alliance, a group

00:13:23.800 formed to oppose St. Louis' 2015 adoption of trans alongside gay, lesbian, and bisexual rights.

00:13:31.800 Though some trans activists consider the Alliance as a hate group, a legal bid by trans group

00:13:37.340 Mermaids to block its registration as a charity failed in 2023.

00:13:41.660 So consider how psychotic that is.

00:13:44.600 There is a group of people who are saying we should not be considering trans alongside

00:13:48.840 LGB.

00:13:49.660 And that's it.

00:13:50.380 They're not saying like we need to oppress trans people or anything like that.

00:13:53.460 And that trans people feel like they have such a right to this movement that other people 0.84

00:13:58.640 fought for.

00:13:59.220 As we've talked about, if you go back to the beginnings of the gay rights movement, it was

00:14:02.500 vast majority cis gay males, which are the most other group right now within the movement.

00:14:07.580 The most sort of low status group.

00:14:10.080 I can only imagine the horror that they would feel if they worked their entire lives for this.

00:14:14.120 And now they see this movement being used by, you know, cinnabites to...

00:14:19.060 Well, they are.

00:14:19.760 I mean, you could see also not just them being misused by people who are often abusing them,

00:14:23.940 but it being a fundamentally different thing.

00:14:25.980 Because one is a collection of different sexual orientations.

00:14:30.320 The other is a very, very different thing.

00:14:33.780 I mean, if you're trans, it doesn't mean you have a different sexual orientation.

00:14:37.200 It means you want to be seen differently by the world.

00:14:39.160 That's extremely different from let me be free to choose the partner that I want.

00:14:45.040 Absolutely.

00:14:45.740 There is like actually no reason for them to be tied together like this.

00:14:50.920 Yeah, it's like taking like, you know, Breast Cancer Awareness Month and being like,

00:14:55.720 why aren't we discussing Alzheimer's right now?

00:14:58.160 Like, this is insulting.

00:15:00.300 I like that they, you know, they highlighted this here.

00:15:03.480 There was a bid to block the creation of a group that is just asking for cultural sovereignty

00:15:10.120 of people with alternate sexual orientations versus people with, you know, gender dysphoria

00:15:15.140 or whatever trans individuals have.

00:15:16.560 And note here, when I talk about the cinnabites, I use this word to specifically differentiate them

00:15:21.420 from quote unquote, real trans individuals, which we've argued in another episode.

00:15:25.720 It's probably a culture bound illness similar to anorexia, but they really feel gender dysphoric, 0.96

00:15:30.040 right?

00:15:30.240 Like, I don't know if the way we're dealing with it now is the best way to deal with it,

00:15:32.760 but they really feel that way.

00:15:33.900 That is clearly not true of the individuals who are flashing women in locker rooms like

00:15:39.900 we had with the Leah Thomas case or Veid Miminen where they're not even trying to pass

00:15:44.400 or a lot of other, you know, high profile trans activists where there just isn't even

00:15:47.860 an attempt to pass.

00:15:49.380 This is not what we were sold.

00:15:50.940 We were not sold that we would have to, that we were told that you had some issue where

00:15:55.440 you wanted to be gendered in a specific way because you were born like in a different

00:15:59.140 body.

00:15:59.540 And I was like, you know, early on, I was like, okay, like, let's give them these rights.

00:16:02.700 Let's see how they use it.

00:16:04.140 Right.

00:16:04.500 And then when a sub-faction took over the movement and started using them to violate

00:16:09.300 other people's consent, that the movement didn't expel that sub-faction.

00:16:13.320 If you want to learn more about why they didn't, you can see the, why didn't the left ban,

00:16:16.680 the sex fest episode that we did, that's when I was like, okay, well, you know, the

00:16:21.320 fact that you guys haven't addressed this internally means that we, you know, externally

00:16:25.340 need to fight against this because I don't want children exposed to this.

00:16:29.120 And here, what you see is this individual over time, seeing how culturally imperialistic

00:16:35.720 these individuals are and increasingly becoming radicalized, even though he was one of the

00:16:40.940 sort of origins of the modern trans rights movement.

00:16:44.060 Right.

00:16:45.980 It was a lecture Whitman planned to give in Montreal on this concept of divorcing the

00:16:51.080 LGB from the T that sparked first an open letter accusing the university of actively

00:16:56.640 contributing to the genocide of trans people.

00:16:58.920 Keep in mind, he just wants to give a letter.

00:17:00.720 Do you not see this as cultural imperialism?

00:17:02.780 He just wants to say, we want to separate this one group when it makes perfect sense to

00:17:06.180 separate the one group because they're nothing like the other group.

00:17:08.620 He's like, we should look at people with sexual orientations one way and people with

00:17:11.080 gender. And you are trying to prevent him from even talking about this.

00:17:15.260 And this is what we're talking about here when we're like, the reason why, even though

00:17:19.060 it's a small group, it's such a big thing to conservatives is the way that you try to

00:17:22.980 ruin anyone's life who challenges this cultural norm.

00:17:26.180 If you didn't do that, there wouldn't be as much pushback.

00:17:29.960 But you do do that.

00:17:31.520 And so people end up radicalized on the other side.

00:17:34.720 And I think that this is in part what radicalized JK Rowling was the way that people attacked

00:17:39.360 her, who she had formerly attempted to help and was just trying to introduce some nuance

00:17:43.000 to the conversation in the early days.

00:17:44.600 And she became increasingly radicalized as it became obvious to her that these people

00:17:48.020 just didn't want other cultural groups to have a right to consent.

00:17:52.480 You know, if you're a religious individual and you see gender in one way, you should be 0.97

00:17:55.260 forced to talk about them in their preferred way.

00:17:58.240 If you don't believe that, you know, it's appropriate to flash somebody, it doesn't matter.

00:18:01.600 If they identify in a certain way, they get to do that.

00:18:03.720 Just before I go further, the flashing thing, we talked about this in the other one, but

00:18:06.880 it's important to note, people do not get naked in locker rooms anymore.

00:18:11.340 They haven't for a long time.

00:18:12.280 Like Simone did professional swimming, but not professional, but school swimming.

00:18:16.180 Varsity and like both school-based high school varsity team and like swim team.

00:18:22.580 Never once did she see a naked woman. 1.00

00:18:24.800 So the fact that Leah Thomas was walking around flashing individuals with male genitalia from 0.76

00:18:30.620 the perspective of their cultural groups shows that this was an intentional act.

00:18:34.360 It was not like- 0.67

00:18:34.960 People aren't even flashing female genitalia in women's. 1.00

00:18:38.140 Now, some people have pointed out in the comments when we brought this up before that

00:18:41.040 like, oh, well, that was high school and it's different in college.

00:18:44.260 I kind of doubt it.

00:18:45.780 Now, one thing that also people pointed out though, and I knew, I really did notice this

00:18:49.580 in mixed age women's locker rooms. 1.00

00:18:52.080 So I also belong to a health club where I swam and it was a private health club for just

00:18:55.680 people doing like everything from like pickleball to like Pilates classes to swimming women who

00:19:02.260 were 60 years or above walked around naked flapjack and everywhere.

00:19:06.780 Like that's because they grew up in a different cultural normal time.

00:19:09.040 Yeah, my argument is like, absolutely, there are locker rooms where women are walking around 1.00

00:19:15.400 naked, but they are not below, I would say, 50 years of age.

00:19:21.140 And certainly not below, you know, 25 years of age, which is what you had in this instance.

00:19:27.300 Yeah, the idea of that is just beyond laughable to me.

00:19:30.140 By hosting him and then a fully fledged protest on the day Whitman remembers arriving to a 0.85

00:19:37.380 chorus of F your system, F your hate, trans rights are not up for debate. 0.92

00:19:42.260 The lecture was abandoned after protesters broke into the room and threw flour. 0.98

00:19:46.280 But if the aim was to shut him down, it backfired.

00:19:48.600 So again, they are turning this guy who is like one of their OG biggest supporters and

00:19:54.240 just had started with very, very reasonable concerns into a radical against them.

00:20:00.400 And I think that this is what happened to people like us or people like Elon or people like

00:20:03.280 Rowling.

00:20:03.880 And I think that this catches what's actually happening here and why so many people have

00:20:07.540 moved to the right.

00:20:08.480 People kept asking me how I knew Trump was going to win this election cycle.

00:20:11.380 And I was like, look, do you know a single human being who has moved from the right to

00:20:16.740 the left between Trump running last time and Trump running this time?

00:20:20.100 And I can't, the only person-

00:20:21.380 You really did keep making this argument and I'm like, well, yeah, but like, I don't know.

00:20:24.900 I just thought-

00:20:26.000 But why is everybody moving in one direction?

00:20:28.060 It's because of stuff like this.

00:20:29.660 It's not even like the left has run too far.

00:20:32.660 I think that meme undersells for the left what's happening because then the leftist

00:20:36.420 could see that meme and be like, oh, you know, we ran too far in this direction and

00:20:39.300 left some people behind.

00:20:40.440 And the point is that that isn't what happened.

00:20:42.980 This is not just running in a certain direction.

00:20:45.640 This is the moment somebody dissents, you attempt to ruin their lives.

00:20:49.520 This is cultural imperialism and a colonialist attitude at its finest, almost the embodiment of

00:20:55.700 and it's a European cultural group.

00:20:57.760 I mean, that is what the LGBT movement is.

00:21:00.000 The modern pride movement, culturally speaking, completely got its background in, you know,

00:21:05.040 Europe and the Americas.

00:21:06.180 And so trying to impose this European cultural movement on other people, I think is something

00:21:10.640 that should cause a lot of cognitive dissonance with these groups.

00:21:13.220 And the degree of cognitive dissonance that it causes is, I think, why they don't really

00:21:17.100 address this stuff.

00:21:18.280 Absolutely.

00:21:19.560 But if the aim was to shut him down, he said it backfired.

00:21:22.240 TV interviews he gave about the Farcross reached more people via YouTube than the lecture would

00:21:28.800 have.

00:21:29.420 And six days later, publishers accepted his book proposal.

00:21:32.380 He wasn't silenced, but amplified.

00:21:34.220 And if anything, encouraged to double down.

00:21:36.880 These days, he argues that perhaps there shouldn't even be a right to legally change sex on birth

00:21:43.400 certificates or passports.

00:21:44.360 Perhaps you consider this view extreme enough to justify his attempted cancellation, but

00:21:49.680 it is one shared by a startling 50% of the British public, according to an authoritative

00:21:54.960 British social survey's attitude.

00:21:57.020 So the point here being is now he's an extremist from their perspective, but their perspective

00:22:01.500 extremists hold the position of the average British person.

00:22:04.880 They think that somebody should lose their job, that they should be attacked in public,

00:22:08.420 that they should be shouted at because they hold the average position.

00:22:11.920 And that he was pushed towards this position by repeated attempts like this without anyone.

00:22:21.120 I bet if that very first time in the classroom, when that one trans person walked out, some 1.00

00:22:24.880 other trans person was like, hey, I just want to be clear.

00:22:27.860 Like that person has issues.

00:22:30.680 They should not be able to violate their spouse's consent.

00:22:33.460 You know, very similar to that South Park episode with Mr. Slavin, Mr. Garrison.

00:22:36.740 Not something for us, too.

00:22:40.420 Would you like to take this beautiful woman to bed? 0.96

00:22:44.200 No, thanks.

00:22:46.100 No, thanks.

00:22:47.720 Come on, Mr. Slavin, I want to try out my new snooge.

00:22:50.440 I can't believe you just went ahead and had that surgery without even asking me what I thought.

00:22:56.000 Well, I assumed you supported me.

00:22:58.420 It's still me. 1.00

00:22:59.320 I just have a vagina instead of a penis. 1.00

00:23:01.100 But I'm gay. 1.00

00:23:03.020 I don't like vaginas. 1.00

00:23:05.020 Don't you even care that I was suffering? 0.99

00:23:07.260 I wasn't happy the way I was.

00:23:09.260 It's great that you feel better, but you never stopped to think about how the people around

00:23:13.120 you would feel.

00:23:14.400 Look, we can still be together. 1.00

00:23:16.220 All you have to do is stop being gay. 1.00

00:23:18.640 And I think that he wouldn't have gone off the rails if he had seen people. 0.87

00:23:22.160 Yeah, if someone had just been like, that's not normal.

00:23:25.340 We don't.

00:23:26.120 He's not with us.

00:23:27.340 Yeah.

00:23:28.000 But you never, ever, ever get that.

00:23:30.780 Which, if you want to understand why, there's like cultural evolutionary reasons why, and

00:23:35.160 you can see our why the left doesn't push out the sex pest episode.

00:23:39.360 What makes Whitman's journey from sympathy with self-ID to hostility is worth studying

00:23:45.340 is that it mirrors strikingly rapid broader shifts in public opinion.

00:23:49.860 In 2016, the year a cross-party commons committee first backed self-ID, the survey found 58% of

00:23:57.740 Britons supported the right to change legal sex, and only 17% admitted feeling prejudice

00:24:03.120 against trans people. 0.95

00:24:04.060 It was in a year, the Prime Minister, Theresa May, promised to consult on reforming gender

00:24:09.280 recognition.

00:24:10.200 But by 2022, the British Social Attitude Survey found public backing for the legal right to

00:24:16.120 change sex almost halved, and admissions of anti-trans prejudice had doubled at a time

00:24:22.340 when public opinion became more liberal on other social issues.

00:24:26.540 And I really do think, like, one, if you go back to 2016, you and I would have been ardently

00:24:32.620 pro being able to choose your gender.

00:24:34.540 Yeah.

00:24:35.160 Like, I wouldn't have understood at all why this could cause a problem.

00:24:38.180 What really happened is a lot of us thought this was a good idea.

00:24:41.520 We gave people the right, and then bad actors started using it.

00:24:44.380 And now we're like, are you guys not going to police this?

00:24:46.400 And they're like, no, not really.

00:24:48.420 Yeah, I do think that the, just to highlight that, the initial support for this shows that

00:24:54.000 this was bad actors.

00:24:55.400 Like, it was their game to lose.

00:24:56.920 They had won it.

00:24:58.340 Yeah, they had won.

00:25:00.240 And society is becoming more liberal on other issues, but less liberal here.

00:25:04.100 And that's why I also highlight the trans community as really being much more of a core

00:25:08.680 reason why the left is losing the culture wars right now, and will continue to lose the

00:25:13.480 culture wars than I think a lot of them think.

00:25:15.920 You know, they, they, they, there's this perception of, well, it's really not that bad.

00:25:20.500 It's just a few people.

00:25:21.560 It's like, well, those few people keep overreaching in ways that are absolutely obscene.

00:25:28.480 So they're going to take away everything.

00:25:31.220 Yeah.

00:25:31.600 Like the antevalence case, like the, where she tried to cancel Kirsha for, for just saying,

00:25:35.720 you know, demographics are changing.

00:25:37.060 And she's like, this is racist.

00:25:38.460 She was even quoting a liberal PM when she said that.

00:25:40.500 And using vice, using her position, they're reaching out to her sponsors, trying to ruin 1.00

00:25:45.000 her life.

00:25:45.940 This is going to build sympathy, even for people who would have hated her, right?

00:25:49.940 Like this is something that's very easy to go viral because there's so obviously a good

00:25:54.200 guy and a bad guy.

00:25:55.200 And it's so damaging to the left because the, there is a group that spreads it on the left,

00:25:59.800 but this is a group that would never like, they're, they're, they're not like in the

00:26:04.240 middle.

00:26:04.480 They're not open to voting right, you know?

00:26:06.520 And, and some of them might end up voting right.

00:26:08.180 Like, I think this guy who we're reading about now would have originally been in this group

00:26:11.300 who would have been like, you go girl for antevalence.

00:26:13.380 Right.

00:26:13.620 But you know, as we pointed out, she, she's forcing people to read her fetish content. 0.99

00:26:16.900 You know, she's putting it on non-fetish platforms. 0.99

00:26:19.200 She's even writing it into vice and like the opening platform that she used, this should

00:26:23.300 have been immediate dismissal.

00:26:24.700 You know, you, you shouldn't be able to violate other people's consent with your fetish content.

00:26:28.540 I mean, yet it's been normalized.

00:26:30.120 But sorry, I, I, the reason I was coming to this is I, I think the, the trans phenomenon,

00:26:38.020 I'm not saying that the left has to drop the trans community, but they have to figure out 1.00

00:26:41.920 how to deal with the bad actors.

00:26:43.480 Um, and there has been no attempt.

00:26:46.200 And in this article, this is the very first time I've seen them be like, and all of these

00:26:50.380 things were not reasonable what they did to this guy.

00:26:53.200 You know, like we, we should have done something to prevent this.

00:26:56.200 Yeah.

00:26:56.380 There's the breakthrough, right?

00:26:58.100 That's the, that's the first time I've seen anyone leaning left saying, you know what?

00:27:03.860 This, this wasn't cool, which is nice.

00:27:06.580 Yeah.

00:27:07.700 I don't think, I mean, I think they might even get canceled for this article.

00:27:10.460 Right.

00:27:10.820 So, you know, right.

00:27:11.740 I mean, yeah, to whatever extent this is accepted would imply progress.

00:27:15.740 But I mean, when I came away from this, when you first highlighted that part of the article

00:27:19.520 to me was, oh, that's it.

00:27:22.700 Like the thing that would make the left viable again is if it dropped trans advocacy, because 0.98

00:27:30.540 you can't have trans advocacy, trans advocacy for obvious bad actors.

00:27:36.280 Sure.

00:27:36.620 Yeah.

00:27:36.980 Yeah.

00:27:37.400 Yeah.

00:27:38.480 I think it's kind of hard.

00:27:41.340 It's no, it's very easy to do.

00:27:43.360 Okay.

00:27:43.520 How would, how would you, how would you do that?

00:27:45.380 Because a lot of trans advocacy is like, well, anyone who says they feel a certain way gets

00:27:52.140 to enter women's only spaces. 1.00

00:27:53.720 And that's when there needs to be a movement on the left.

00:27:55.420 It's just like, we thought we could do this.

00:27:57.280 We thought we could be permissive about this.

00:27:59.240 I understand it seemed like the ethical thing to do because we're not, you know, this was

00:28:02.680 a true scrum versus too cute debate because we're not, you know, overly relying on doctors,

00:28:07.160 which can introduce sociological privilege to the concept.

00:28:09.800 It made sense within that time period to make this call.

00:28:13.400 But if you just look at the data, they have lost a lot of their biggest supporters because

00:28:19.920 of these bad actors and the bad actors, maybe you can watch our, why they don't kick them

00:28:26.800 out video are, are probably not really bringing them that much utility.

00:28:31.180 And, and, and, and so they just need to be like, Hey, let's go back to people should be

00:28:35.980 able to choose the way they live their lives, but not force that on other people or not

00:28:39.800 force other people to be exposed to that.

00:28:41.640 And I know that that will lead to some inconveniences for trans individuals, but I think if you

00:28:45.500 are an actual gender dysphoric person, you would prefer those inconveniences than seeing 1.00

00:28:49.800 all of these bad actors, stealing your movement and identity to hurt the perception of trans

00:28:55.180 people.

00:28:55.580 Look at somebody like Anna Valens. 1.00

00:28:56.880 She has significantly hurt the perceptions of trans individuals in communities that otherwise

00:29:00.440 would have been open to them.

00:29:02.260 You know, they are stealing your identity and using it to damage your community's reputation

00:29:08.780 and will eventually erode your rights.

00:29:11.120 The question is, is can you control that erosion or, and it's not right.

00:29:15.140 So it's not really, I mean, your right to impose your, you know, perception of yourself on others

00:29:20.580 without their consent.

00:29:21.400 I don't view that as a viable right in our society, but you know, they will erode things

00:29:26.360 past even that.

00:29:27.800 Like, I think that there was a time where if this had been addressed early enough, the whole

00:29:32.320 non-passing people in locker rooms saying that could have been something that we came to

00:29:37.400 a compromise on, but because it was so systemically and repeatedly abused, you know, because they

00:29:43.600 had that support for, you know, people transferring the gender of their prison and then people were

00:29:48.280 getting raped and having kids like, and it was clearly like just a really horrifying thing

00:29:53.600 that this was happening or that the government was paying for this for things like prisoners 0.87

00:29:57.520 was like Kamala thing. 0.98

00:29:58.960 Like all of these are clearly bad actors.

00:30:01.040 There should have been somebody in the room to be like, Hey, the prisoners who are getting

00:30:04.140 this, they're clearly bad actors.

00:30:05.820 This isn't people that we want representing this movement.

00:30:08.580 And they're going to end up representing this movement because the conservatives are going

00:30:11.680 to take them in the same way that like, you probably shouldn't be waving a Mexican flag

00:30:16.780 on top of a burning car in LA right now.

00:30:19.340 I don't care if that's culturally normative was in your group to most Americans.

00:30:23.880 It makes it look like there is an occupation and it freaks them out.

00:30:28.520 Not sending a good signal.

00:30:30.320 Yeah.

00:30:30.620 Seems very interesting.

00:30:31.300 All these protests peaceful, we're like, Oh, so they're lying to us because I can see

00:30:35.540 the burning cars.

00:30:36.340 I can see the Molotov cocktails.

00:30:37.600 I can see the videos of the people throwing rocks through random car windows, not even

00:30:41.740 like cop windows, which could kill someone.

00:30:44.120 Right.

00:30:44.320 You know, and these people are not being turned on by the left.

00:30:47.360 If the left had apprehended these people, I think that would have been a huge win for

00:30:50.640 them.

00:30:50.880 And yet instead Trump has to send in the government to basically clean this up.

00:30:54.920 Though some will blame the press or politicians for stoking a backlash and more a in

00:31:00.400 commons report explicitly acknowledges that media outlets can, quote, play a role of fermenting

00:31:07.100 different viewpoints in quote, over culture war issues.

00:31:10.880 Stonewall has historically won gay rights victories in the teeth of a more overtly homophobic

00:31:15.900 tabloid press.

00:31:16.700 And I think you guys need to recognize what you just said there.

00:31:21.080 You were winning more victories when you were the underdogs, when you weren't actively

00:31:26.920 violating other people's consent or using mainstream media outlets to attack people like

00:31:31.140 antivalence did with vice.

00:31:32.420 Like you were winning when you were not in the business of forcing yourself on other people.

00:31:39.880 That's the thing that's the light that should go on in your head.

00:31:42.700 Oh, can we do something about those individuals?

00:31:44.840 Right.

00:31:48.220 In retrospect, Stonewall seemingly fell into a trap identified by more in common of overstating

00:31:54.180 how mainstream their views were.

00:31:55.700 While gender critical feminist organizations, such as A Woman's Place UK, focused on persuading

00:32:01.520 the wavering via open public meetings, jubilant at what seemed an easy victory on self-ID, Stonewall

00:32:08.840 had adopted a trans women are women get over it stance, declaring that.

00:32:13.200 And the problem here is, is that's a fine stance to take, but you can't now say anybody who

00:32:18.080 says they're trans is trans.

00:32:19.720 Like, obviously that's going to lead to bad actors.

00:32:21.580 See, that's where I'm like, I don't, I don't, I don't know if you can do that at all.

00:32:24.660 Like, I just don't know if trans can be part of the movement and have the movement be something 1.00

00:32:29.640 that is adopted on a mainstream level.

00:32:32.520 Because I, while I, I was like, I do, I do agree with you that there are versions of trans

00:32:38.760 that are very reasonable.

00:32:39.600 And there are people who just want to quietly transition and go under hormone replacement

00:32:43.280 therapy and be trans and just live their lives advocating for their rights.

00:32:48.660 It seems like the only people who are actually willing to publicly push for it are doing so

00:32:52.860 in ways that are abusive, because otherwise you're just using the bathroom you pass in.

00:32:57.800 Otherwise you're just quietly undergoing hormone replacement therapy.

00:33:00.900 Otherwise you're just doing what you need to do to make it happen.

00:33:04.300 You know, getting the cosmetic procedures for vocal training.

00:33:06.780 People who are beginning to fight against this, right?

00:33:09.240 But the problem in, within leftist culture, only a trans person can really push back against

00:33:13.060 this and it isolates them from so much of their community while they're already isolated

00:33:17.040 from other communities because other communities have dealt with abuse from this community,

00:33:21.580 right?

00:33:22.200 So I get that.

00:33:23.340 I also want to point out here, I think they're right here.

00:33:25.620 There is a huge misunderstanding about how normal their views are in the general population.

00:33:29.840 And also a huge misunderstanding of how normalized their views are within the elite in contrast

00:33:35.320 to the general population.

00:33:36.780 If you look at like the media or, you know, what's being produced at Netflix or what's being

00:33:41.200 produced at Amazon or what's being produced at Hulu or, you know, the Guardian or the

00:33:45.320 New York Times stuff or anything like that, you know, like you could even go to Fox and

00:33:48.460 you're not going to find a lot of like actively, specifically anti-trans stuff.

00:33:51.840 It'll be more like be reasonable stuff, right?

00:33:53.780 Within the media class, you have sort of complete dominance, but your actual average American

00:33:58.140 or British person is like, I'm not so sure about that.

00:34:02.140 And when it looks like the media is covering things up or when it looks like major media

00:34:06.360 companies are attempting to press an agenda on them, this gives your opponents the same

00:34:11.700 advantage that you had when the tabloids and press used to be homophobic.

00:34:16.280 It is the way that the media has been used to press a form of cultural imperialism and

00:34:21.120 colonialism of your European cultural group against, you know, sort of diverse religious

00:34:26.240 communities, whether you're pushing yourself on Muslims who do not like this, you know, or

00:34:30.400 you're pushing yourself on conservative Christians or you're pushing yourself on conservative

00:34:33.160 Jews or families like ours.

00:34:36.940 While willing to engage in debates that furthered understanding, we do not and will not acknowledge

00:34:42.140 any conflict between trans rights and women's based rights.

00:34:45.160 Why won't you acknowledge that?

00:34:46.520 That's a problem that you won't, there are debates you will not have.

00:34:50.400 The right doesn't really have debates that we will not have except to the right of the

00:34:55.860 right.

00:34:56.700 So by that, what I mean is we're willing to have a debate about anything within the gender

00:34:59.840 or sexual or orientation space, I would not have a debate over things like ethnic differences.

00:35:04.680 You know, I'm just like, I'm not going to deal with that.

00:35:06.660 I'm not going to touch that.

00:35:07.580 I do not see any benefit to engaging with that.

00:35:11.040 And we see lots of right-wing channel are just like, we're not going to do that.

00:35:14.400 You know, that only is a bad pathway to go.

00:35:17.720 And so that's something that is really interesting that the left really only polices debates to the

00:35:23.480 right and the right really only polices debates to the right, which makes them more easily

00:35:28.620 able to engage leftist arguments.

00:35:30.580 And people can say like, well, this is a problem among the right.

00:35:33.340 And I'm like, it's not a problem if we win.

00:35:35.860 If we continue to win and continue to strip back, I mean, we've already seen the vibe

00:35:39.640 shift post-Trump's election.

00:35:40.960 We're already seeing it, you know, this Pride Month.

00:35:42.780 We can win this.

00:35:44.300 We just need the greedy people who want to go like, and keep in mind, like, I don't hold

00:35:48.660 those beliefs.

00:35:49.280 I don't hold these crazy far-right beliefs.

00:35:52.320 But the individuals who are like, okay, now we won some victories, let's go further.

00:35:56.300 They hurt everyone in the movement.

00:35:59.160 And they're sort of the rights version of the trans activists. 0.93

00:36:02.820 Your Nazi or racist is our version of the trans activists. 0.98

00:36:06.960 And so long as we do a good job of keeping the Nazis and the racists in check and not, 0.56

00:36:12.680 you know, because the thing that made Anna Valens look so bad was that she called Kirsha 1.00

00:36:16.380 a Nazi and a racist when Kirsha had never done anything racist or Nazi.

00:36:19.860 And that's a weapon we can keep using so long as we don't actually start platforming

00:36:25.560 racists and Nazis.

00:36:27.600 True.

00:36:29.520 And I know here people can be like, oh, like the far people, like even people like Curtis

00:36:33.560 Yarvin, like I've talked about him where he's gotten labeled like, he hasn't actually,

00:36:36.920 from what I've seen, said anything racist.

00:36:38.440 He said two things that separately could be plugged together to make him look racist on

00:36:43.140 a Wikipedia page.

00:36:43.880 And that's how they got to him.

00:36:45.280 But I don't think that like that is, you know, the smoking gun that other people think

00:36:50.500 it is.

00:36:50.780 The point I'm making here is even respected intellectuals on the right do not engage with

00:36:55.180 these topics.

00:36:55.920 And I do not think that anyone who is engaging with them is really an ally of the right

00:36:59.820 because there's just not utility.

00:37:03.040 Yeah.

00:37:03.540 I understand, like I've read the Apori pieces about why there might be utility in engaging

00:37:07.400 with the topics.

00:37:08.060 I don't see it.

00:37:08.820 You're going to lose elections.

00:37:09.700 And again, I want to be clear, this is not me saying, I am just trying to argue to the

00:37:14.900 people who do believe it, why you shouldn't be racist or a Nazi.

00:37:17.940 This is my argument where like, even if you believe all of it, you shouldn't do it.

00:37:21.580 It's not helpful.

00:37:22.980 Even if you believe, and I would give the same advice to the left, even if you believe

00:37:25.740 that like a sex pest should be allowed to violate other people's consent and like flash

00:37:29.340 school girls in a locker room and like, you know, go to kids without their parents around 1.00

00:37:34.300 and like do story hours and stuff like that to try to indoctrinate them into your culture,

00:37:38.720 out of their culture, you know, even if you believe all of that, you're going to win

00:37:43.280 more if you can stay quiet about all that.

00:37:45.920 If you can just be like, okay, well, let's not go into those indulgences again.

00:37:51.120 I mean, the point you've made also in arguments about pronatalism and why the extreme ends of

00:37:56.640 each sub-faction like us with the super bioaccelerationism and other more religious factions like total

00:38:03.700 bans on contraception and IVF, like there's no point in arguing for those things to be pervasive

00:38:10.740 and widely made public or enforced because it's not going to happen.

00:38:15.400 So like, shut up about it.

00:38:17.000 Like there's nothing productive about this. 0.99

00:38:19.020 You're only hurting yourself.

00:38:20.460 Yeah. 0.86

00:38:20.600 This is like complete, complete ban on abortion or complete ban on gay marriage is going to 0.71

00:38:25.580 struggle to win if only Republicans voted.

00:38:27.280 Yeah.

00:38:27.760 Or like pervasive government support for modifying humans to make superhuman soldiers.

00:38:35.720 That's just not going to happen.

00:38:37.040 We'd love that.

00:38:38.260 We would love for the government to be engineering super soldiers right now, but it's just not

00:38:42.480 going to happen.

00:38:43.700 So we don't push for it.

00:38:44.760 Yeah.

00:38:45.080 So like, don't push for it.

00:38:46.240 Yes.

00:38:46.500 Just, just, just stop making fetch happen.

00:38:48.920 It's not going to happen.

00:38:49.820 It's not that it's not going to happen.

00:38:50.840 You know, you might be able to make one of these ideas popular within the right, you know,

00:38:53.560 re-banning gay marriage, re-complete banning of abortion, re-but, but, um, even if you

00:38:57.580 win, it's not going to take it like this.

00:38:58.980 Even if you win the primaries, you're not going to win anything after that.

00:39:02.180 And we're going to lose power.

00:39:03.360 Yeah.

00:39:04.380 Which is why actually you've seen campaigns on, from, from opposing political sides, like

00:39:09.800 on the left, sometimes on the left, you'll see we've had the democratic party support

00:39:14.500 far right candidates for primaries because they know that if they win in the primary, they

00:39:19.420 won't win at all.

00:39:20.600 Yeah.

00:39:21.380 Which is, it's very smart.

00:39:23.020 It's one of my favorite tactics I've seen because it's, it's, it's Aikido.

00:39:27.080 It's using your, your enemy's momentum against them.

00:39:29.660 So don't give them the chance. 1.00

00:39:31.400 It's so dumb. 0.99

00:39:32.820 Anyway. 0.97

00:39:33.420 And I also point out here to people who are like, you guys aren't real rightists.

00:39:36.600 We are further than the average American conservative to the right on most right issues, whether

00:39:41.940 it's our perspective on abortion, whether it's our perspective on, you know, trans stuff,

00:39:47.120 whether it's our perspective on, and I think the people, some people on the right are just

00:39:50.700 delusional in the same way that some of these leftists are about what the average right

00:39:53.980 winger actually is these days in America.

00:39:55.760 Your average right winger these days in America, you're looking for a good example.

00:40:00.080 I think Asmogold is probably a good example.

00:40:02.380 And so you can think to yourself, is Asmogold going to be excited about you guys pushing

00:40:05.820 this?

00:40:06.140 Or is he going to be like, come on guys.

00:40:07.500 Like that's too far.

00:40:08.260 Hmm.

00:40:09.760 Yeah.

00:40:10.320 So some activists insisted it was transphobic even to say conflict existed.

00:40:15.040 For example, over access to domestic violence refugees through the Equity Act in 2010, explicitly

00:40:21.140 anticipating conflicts.

00:40:23.120 And here, this is from a website, transphobia.org, where they actually go into just transphobia,

00:40:30.580 actual.org.uk.

00:40:32.600 Just you can't even mention that there might be an issue with people abusing this.

00:40:36.140 But refusing to answer difficult questions did not make them go away.

00:40:39.900 Instead, they were ultimately settled in the courts, where gender-critical feminists won 1.00

00:40:43.400 a string of victories culminating at a Supreme Court earlier this year.

00:40:47.300 A campaign for self-ID initially enjoying cross-party support had somehow ended not just in defeat,

00:40:53.160 but in reverse, with trans people losing hard-won access, at least on the Equality and Human

00:40:58.160 Rights Commission's interpretation of the ruling, to everything from grassroots support

00:41:01.900 to public toilets.

00:41:03.440 And they have lost grassroots support.

00:41:05.460 And this is something that's a major issue, because now the right can grab this issue and

00:41:08.980 use it against you.

00:41:09.960 Exactly.

00:41:10.960 The man tasked with picking up the pieces is Stonewall's new CEO, Simon Blake, a 51-year-old

00:41:15.220 veteran of the early 2000s battle to repeal 28, sorry, Section 28, which once banned teachers

00:41:20.920 from, quote-unquote, promoting the idea that homosexuality was acceptable.

00:41:24.300 Blake is signaling a return to more persuasive, gradualist campaigning style of those years.

00:41:29.560 What I have been really interested in is how much we used to know that you had to win the

00:41:34.320 hearts and minds, and you had to have conversions, that you had to go into places where people

00:41:39.400 didn't like you, and it was one step at a time.

00:41:42.200 So here, this is really important, because he's right about this.

00:41:44.380 The left, because of this, we don't have debates to the right of our positions.

00:41:47.640 They don't go into the rightest environments.

00:41:49.500 They're not debating the rightest YouTubers at the same rate.

00:41:53.220 And when they do, like Gavin Newsom, they end up getting heavily shamed.

00:41:56.940 And the problem, or the thing that he's not realizing here, is he's like, we can go back

00:42:00.860 to this incrementalist approach, but the incrementalist approach doesn't happen if

00:42:04.500 there are still bad actors doing the violation of consent of individuals and turning it all

00:42:09.140 into something about that.

00:42:11.320 Yeah.

00:42:12.280 When I was at the National Union of Students as chief executive, one of the things which

00:42:17.700 was very different for me generationally was the, I'm not going to educate you, Google

00:42:22.780 it thing.

00:42:23.380 And you didn't win hearts or minds by saying, Google it.

00:42:25.720 But campaigns need, he argues, to regain human touch.

00:42:29.260 And what you really see here with those types of arguments is they're just trying to use

00:42:33.240 their cultural authority and power by being the dominant culture in the halls of power,

00:42:37.100 whether it's at companies or media or et cetera, to force you to adopt to their cultural norms

00:42:41.820 without attempting to convince you that their cultural norms are logical.

00:42:45.500 And the right hasn't been doing it.

00:42:48.100 I mean, some people on the right do this, and I think that it's a really bad way to handle

00:42:51.320 it.

00:42:51.420 You'll see individuals who basically do these rightist, like social dominance hierarchies, 0.98

00:42:54.860 like, well, I, you know, hate gays more than you.

00:42:57.400 Therefore, I'm more rightist and a higher status with, and it's like, no, you're just losing 0.95

00:43:01.680 like you are our extremist Cenobite advocate. 0.65

00:43:05.880 The other bit, which is different.

00:43:10.600 Sorry, I should clarify.

00:43:11.660 The Cenobites, we've said before, they're from Hellraiser, this race of people who lives 1.00

00:43:15.760 in another dimension where they explore the extent to the, they can feel pleasure and

00:43:20.060 self-validation.

00:43:20.740 And it ends up in them like ripping off all their skin and disfiguring themselves and then 0.98

00:43:24.960 attempting to lure new people into this lifestyle.

00:43:28.560 And it's from the 80s horror film Hellraiser.

00:43:30.200 And I think it's a good way to differentiate the people who are victimizing the trans population, 0.99

00:43:34.900 which are the Cenobites, using their hard-won wins to play out their sexual fetishes and 0.99

00:43:40.020 the people who are actually trans advocates. 0.99

00:43:42.360 Doors to the pleasures of heaven or hell.

00:43:44.720 I didn't care which.

00:43:46.160 I thought I'd gone to the limits.

00:43:48.120 I hadn't.

00:43:48.820 The Cenobites gave me an experience beyond the limits.

00:43:52.180 Pain and pleasure, indivisible.

00:43:54.700 The other bit here for me, which is different and doesn't mean it's wrong, is that sense

00:44:05.160 of you're either 100% or you're 100% against.

00:44:08.420 Most people are more complicated than that, Blake says.

00:44:12.060 We might absolutely support everybody's rights and freedoms, but we might have some questions

00:44:16.580 that we don't understand.

00:44:18.360 And some things that people don't understand are where the heat has come in.

00:44:22.440 That said, he said, it is clear that conversation has to be respectful.

00:44:27.060 The sheer hostility of trans people often encountered when they did not engage with the

00:44:32.020 reason so many retreated into no debate.

00:44:34.640 But I don't think that this is true.

00:44:35.860 You can see the way that the trans advocates are really doing this.

00:44:41.020 And you did not have right-wing people breaking into pro-trans lectures at universities.

00:44:46.060 And yet this is something you repeatedly see on the other side, even for fairly moderate

00:44:49.440 positions in the anti-trans position.

00:44:51.200 And this idea that, oh, it's a both sides issue or, oh, it's a, no, it's not.

00:44:56.040 It's that the left has this tendency now of over-elevating, like the Kirsha versus Anna

00:45:01.380 Valens, just to bring it back to that, because I find it to be so.

00:45:03.560 Anna Valens just lied about somebody multiple times using a major publication, trying to 1.00

00:45:08.820 have her lose her livelihood, and then faced a backlash for that, didn't even get fired, 0.69

00:45:14.020 you know, and has been going on this whole long pity parade.

00:45:16.880 Kirsha, on the other hand, was doxxed, now has to live in a secret bunker, and is lost.

00:45:22.720 Wait, really?

00:45:23.720 Like her identity was revealed?

00:45:25.160 Right now she's living like off the grid. 1.00

00:45:28.600 And the left sucks. 0.99

00:45:30.240 They're the primary victim here, because they do not see the rightist as a human. 1.00

00:45:34.260 This is, they just label her as Nazi, and therefore she's not a human.

00:45:37.800 And the best way that we have to fight against this is by not connecting ourselves to groups

00:45:43.620 that could actually be called racist or Nazi.

00:45:45.540 So she didn't actually get out of this unscathed, because I thought she came out okay.

00:45:49.640 Well, no, now she's doing bigger in terms of followers, but she's still hiding. 1.00

00:45:53.020 She still lost a sponsor.

00:45:54.660 You know, she came out winning the public sentiment, but, you know, she definitely is

00:45:59.380 dealing with more consequences than Anna Valens is.

00:46:01.520 And yet Anna Valens has still trying to paint herself as the primary victim of this without 0.99

00:46:06.300 any acknowledgement for what she did.

00:46:09.120 And I think that, and she's being supported by her community in doing this, despite anybody

00:46:14.400 being able to look at the basic evidence in regards to this.

00:46:17.840 And this, like, we won't debate the other side.

00:46:21.140 We won't go into their areas.

00:46:22.080 You're, of course, not going to be able to convert people if you take that approach,

00:46:25.200 which is why it's also important for us to always be willing to engage.

00:46:29.780 Now, one thing I will note when I'm saying, like, we do need to not engage with the racists

00:46:33.400 and the Nazis, there is a huge difference between somebody the left calls a racist and

00:46:37.320 a Nazi and a racist and a Nazi. 0.79

00:46:39.100 We went to NatalCon with a lot of people who left us call, like, I remember Kevin Dolan. 1.00

00:46:43.700 They're like, he's a racist and a Nazi. 0.96

00:46:44.940 And I was like, in a homophobe. 0.99

00:46:46.780 And I was like, how is he a homophobe?

00:46:48.200 And they're like, he's a Mormon.

00:46:49.260 And I was like, wait, what?

00:46:50.520 Like, are we not allowed to be Mormon anymore?

00:46:52.400 I was like, how is he a racist?

00:46:54.460 And they're like, well, he's a desert nationalist.

00:46:56.520 And I was like, that's just a belief that the Mormons should have their own country.

00:46:59.580 That's like no different than calling a Zionist a racist, like, and consider Mormons used 0.60

00:47:03.740 to basically have their own country.

00:47:04.880 It is a reasonable concern or want.

00:47:08.120 So it's important that you look like with, with, you know, multiple people are like,

00:47:11.860 oh, racist, not.

00:47:12.860 So I actually look at what he believes and it's all, well, provocative, definitely not

00:47:17.160 in those categories of things.

00:47:18.740 And so I think we need to get good at differentiating the, anyone who's called a racist or a Nazi

00:47:23.440 and the people who actually are racist and Nazis.

00:47:25.140 Yeah, absolutely.

00:47:28.240 Because of course we're called racist and Nazis all the time too.

00:47:31.080 Yeah.

00:47:31.760 And I mean, I, the people who are actually racist and Nazis, let you know, it's, it's not subtle.

00:47:40.980 Yeah, it's not subtle.

00:47:42.060 And they're clear and they're, they're proud.

00:47:44.740 You know, they're, they're not hiding it.

00:47:46.340 I think there's this perception.

00:47:47.300 It's exactly like the, the Cinebite sex pass, right? 1.00

00:47:49.560 Like they make it known.

00:47:51.220 You would know the moment you look at one, oh, they're one of those people.

00:47:55.340 It's not like a secret.

00:47:57.280 They're not like trying to keep their identity hidden.

00:47:59.680 Okay.

00:47:59.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:01.960 And I'd also note here when he's like, okay, we need to engage in respectful debate, but

00:48:05.600 you know, if you go to this guy and you're like, what about the women in refugee shelters

00:48:09.460 who are being raped by, sorry, are being raped by people who just self-identify as women.

00:48:13.840 You know, this is a phenomenon that we can see, like, how are you going to address that? 0.92

00:48:17.400 You know, they're not going to address it.

00:48:18.580 He's just going to argue it shouldn't be addressed and it's not that big of a phenomenon.

00:48:22.160 It's like, it doesn't matter if it's not that big of a phenomenon.

00:48:24.720 The difference between not getting to live the gender identity you want as a refugee who

00:48:30.800 has come to one of these countries and a woman being raped is astronomically different.

00:48:36.820 You know, a hundred people should have to live a gender identity that they are not even 1.00

00:48:40.660 live, just live in the men's camp.

00:48:42.240 You can, you can do what you want, but just live in the men's camp to save just one, you

00:48:47.320 know, underage kid from experiencing this.

00:48:50.860 Yeah.

00:48:52.220 Well, I guess they just beg to differ.

00:48:54.520 It'd be interesting to see these actual debates.

00:48:57.400 Like, how many, how many men should be, natal men should be, you know. 1.00

00:49:03.960 It's just like, yeah.

00:49:04.840 How many, how many grapes per identification?

00:49:08.280 Like how, what's the.

00:49:10.180 Yeah.

00:49:10.620 What is it worth?

00:49:11.540 What is, what is the value?

00:49:13.800 But the thing is, is they always try to redefine every case in which a grape happens is not

00:49:17.180 a grape.

00:49:17.980 Um, and because I've seen this, they're like, it just never happens.

00:49:19.920 It's a complete myth.

00:49:20.600 And it's like, it's, it's, it's not a complete myth.

00:49:22.920 Like even just near us, while this wasn't a grape, there was a trans kid who beat up

00:49:28.000 another kid, told the other girl, this is just a few miles from us in a Pennsylvania

00:49:31.940 school that he was, had put her on a hit list.

00:49:34.540 She went to the administration and said, do something about this.

00:49:37.520 They're like, we can't, they're trans. 1.00

00:49:39.000 And then she was beaten so bad.

00:49:40.860 She had to be hospitalized.

00:49:42.300 And the, the, the people are like, oh, well no, this is a problem that that was normalized.

00:49:48.340 Right?

00:49:49.480 Like this is happening even in our backyard.

00:49:53.120 Which in turn hurts the.

00:49:56.380 Trans community.

00:49:57.540 Yeah.

00:49:57.900 The, the trans community as the whole, and also by association, the LGBT community.

00:50:04.020 Yeah.

00:50:04.340 I can see why they have concern because I don't too frequently see like gay or lesbian people 0.70

00:50:10.000 running up and like punching somebody at these events.

00:50:12.220 I frequently see trans people, especially ones who don't look like they're really trying 1.00

00:50:16.140 to pass assaulting people.

00:50:17.180 And, and I, this is the thing, like it's this entire cast that is just normalized to

00:50:22.700 I can do what I want.

00:50:24.140 And the people we're fighting against aren't humans.

00:50:26.400 I mean, this is what the punch a Nazi comes from because they, if they identify Kirsch 0.54

00:50:29.320 out with hold of the most milquetoast beliefs as a Nazi, and they would also hold for punch

00:50:32.460 a Nazi. 0.68

00:50:32.980 They're saying I have the right to violate the consent of over 50% of Americans and British 0.98

00:50:37.560 people by just punching them in the face because I disagree with them.

00:50:41.280 Like people should realize this is a problem if your movement has these people.

00:50:45.160 Yeah.

00:50:45.520 We might absolutely support everybody's rights and freedoms, but we might have some questions

00:50:49.420 that we don't understand.

00:50:50.780 And some of the things that people don't understand are where the heat can come.

00:50:54.560 No, you've got to admit that some areas you're fighting for things are just a bad idea.

00:50:59.620 Like you'd be like, oh, you just don't understand.

00:51:01.820 The left needs to adopt Trump's 90, 10 issue thing.

00:51:04.860 Yeah.

00:51:05.140 So I think maybe that's part of the problem.

00:51:07.320 It's one reason why the right has done so well is this recognition of like, is this

00:51:13.100 50-50?

00:51:14.160 Is this 80-20?

00:51:15.260 Is this 90-10?

00:51:16.300 And then really just moving forward based on those issues.

00:51:19.260 No.

00:51:20.040 Yet progressive activist fatal flaw, the report argues, is they're further from mainstream

00:51:25.480 public opinion on cultural issues than they realize.

00:51:27.520 They're the only group where a majority thinks that immigration should be as high or higher

00:51:32.500 than it is now, and that protecting people from hate speech matters more than defending

00:51:36.360 free speech, a key rationale behind the no debate idea that the trans identities aren't

00:51:41.460 up for discussion and the no platforming.

00:51:44.620 They're also the group most likely to think social change sometimes requires breaking the

00:51:49.740 law, whereas two-thirds of Britain's disapprove of protesters blocking roads or gluing themselves

00:51:54.340 to things, which by the way, I disapprove of.

00:51:56.520 We've in the past said, if you're dealing with extreme cases, where it's just clear the

00:52:00.320 government isn't going to handle something, breaking the law is eventually something you

00:52:03.360 have to do.

00:52:03.720 Like if your country is literally having a Nazi revolution, you need to go against it.

00:52:07.340 Like when my family literally turned against the Confederacy and formed like an independent

00:52:10.640 region with like the free state of Jones, that was a necessary thing to do.

00:52:14.020 But the minor sort of protest, annoying people thing, that's not okay.

00:52:20.980 This is just inconveniencing people so that you can feel better about yourself.

00:52:23.960 Because it doesn't even work, as we're going to get to in a second here.

00:52:27.300 Trial stresses that being outliers doesn't invariably make progressive activists wrong.

00:52:32.160 Perhaps they're just ahead of the curve, as the suffragettes once were. 1.00

00:52:35.560 But it has important tactical implications.

00:52:38.520 His polling shows that progressive activists overestimate by a factor of two to three how

00:52:43.420 much others agree with their core beliefs, from abolishing the monarchy to letting child

00:52:47.220 change gender.

00:52:48.200 Consequently, they tend to invest too much time on persuasion.

00:52:52.480 Sorry.

00:52:53.320 Consequently, they tend to invest too little time on persuasion, focusing instead on mobilizing

00:52:57.300 the masses they wrongly believe are on board.

00:52:59.640 If you're reaching out to people, then you're watering down.

00:53:02.740 This is how trial describes the mindset.

00:53:05.140 And this is really bad, right?

00:53:06.620 Like if you are not in the norm and you think you're in the norm, and then you try to imperialistically

00:53:11.120 or colonialistically impose your culture through force, through not debate, through not persuasion,

00:53:15.840 that's going to really piss off the average person.

00:53:17.920 This is how the left has lost so much ground so quickly.

00:53:20.460 Right.

00:53:21.500 And it's why we in the right have to be very aware of what is the normative belief, not

00:53:26.060 what is the normative belief within X chat room that I'm in.

00:53:29.580 Hmm.

00:53:30.440 Yeah.

00:53:31.540 Yeah.

00:53:32.020 I wonder to what extent the online world and the insularity of many of these online communities

00:53:38.220 has contributed to this because a lot of the people who become extremists, even those

00:53:44.440 who end up exploiting these situations don't realize how extreme their positions are because

00:53:50.200 within whatever online community they're in, it's totally normal.

00:53:55.360 And everyone's egging them on and saying, yeah, how can this not already be normal?

00:53:59.620 This is totally what you deserve.

00:54:01.160 Go and get it.

00:54:02.440 So yeah, that's something I hadn't really thought of before.

00:54:05.340 People don't realize we're far more likely to be balconized and out of touch with the mainstream

00:54:11.120 today, which could lead to more abuse.

00:54:13.800 Yeah.

00:54:15.280 Protests can, of course, serve many legitimate purposes beyond changing minds.

00:54:19.980 They can be about inspiring solidarity between activists, expressing high emotion, building

00:54:24.180 resistance, or even starting a revolution.

00:54:27.100 If you're starting a revolution, they should probably be shut down.

00:54:30.420 Revolutions kill lots of people.

00:54:32.700 But is the charge leveled against WOKE that some of its protests turned potential supporters

00:54:36.820 away from them fare.

00:54:37.660 In an intriguing experiment that the not-for-profit public research initiative Persuasion UK

00:54:43.060 director Steve Alckhurst showed respondents' videos from five different climate-related

00:54:47.280 events.

00:54:48.000 Just stop oil activists spraying paint over the new international building and throwing

00:54:51.900 soup into the Vincent van Gogh painting.

00:54:54.820 Insulate Britain's road-blocking protests, the Extinction Rebellion's oil refinery protests,

00:55:00.360 as well as its more carnival-less 2019 protests involving parking a big pink boat at Oxford

00:55:07.260 Circus.

00:55:09.020 Alckhurst then asked respondents about their views on the climate crisis and compared their

00:55:13.700 answers to those of a control group who were not shown the videos.

00:55:16.980 After watching the soup-throwing and road-blocking videos, viewers became actively more hostile to

00:55:22.720 protesters than on viewers, suggesting these actions have triggered a backlash.

00:55:28.320 But intriguingly, viewers of the paint spraying at the News International and Pink Boat at Oxford

00:55:33.800 Surface nudged towards the cause.

00:55:36.100 Alckhurst's conclusion is that protests need to understand vanilla, not painting.

00:55:40.060 Well, I think that what we're really seeing here is one thing was meant to actively inconvenience

00:55:43.860 average people, and the other things were, like, I don't agree with the painting one,

00:55:48.080 but the big boat thing, whatever.

00:55:49.400 Like, a light-hearted protest is going to get people excited about what you are doing, especially

00:55:54.160 if it's not inconveniencing people.

00:55:55.500 But if your initial goal is, I'm going to go inconvenience people, like this latest

00:55:59.340 Greta Sornberg, like, selfie boat, like, what was she thinking?

00:56:04.560 Like, she's going into an active war zone where there was a blockade before this particular

00:56:11.000 conflict even broke out.

00:56:12.080 I think it was blockaded by Egypt.

00:56:13.780 The Israelis had to save her, and then she lied about it and pretended like she was kidnapped

00:56:18.940 as they shipped her back, and any sort of average person is going to look at this and be like,

00:56:24.540 wow, you are, like, Israel has a number of very uphill, like, public relations battles

00:56:31.520 to win right now.

00:56:32.460 But the left is seriously helping them.

00:56:36.120 Individuals like Greta Sornberg are seriously helping them because they care more about,

00:56:40.600 well, I think it's not just they care more about how they are seen in building up their

00:56:43.640 own career, but they are so insulated from mainstream society, they do not understand

00:56:47.800 how your average person is going to think about them, you know, pretending like they're

00:56:51.440 doing an aid boat.

00:56:52.400 Like, there's not, that boat wasn't big enough for a real aid drop, right?

00:56:55.460 Like, you just wanted to be arrested, and that, and you repeatedly do this, and that costs

00:57:00.800 tax dollars money. 0.99

00:57:01.780 Like, you're just a parasite on the system. 0.96

00:57:03.840 You're not actively trying to contribute to changes. 0.93

00:57:05.920 When you look at, like, us, and we go out there and we go, the education system's a problem.

00:57:09.500 So we build paresia.io, or the Collins Institute, to try to fix the education system.

00:57:13.800 And we don't go out there and protest schools.

00:57:15.560 We don't go out there and yell at school boards.

00:57:17.480 We don't go out there and chastise teachers.

00:57:19.400 When I say, oh, you know, there's a problem with younger education, you know, I'd really

00:57:22.240 like it if my kid had, like, a stuffed animal he could talk with, so that we could go back

00:57:24.560 to educational topics.

00:57:25.440 We build whistling.ai so that they can interact with him.

00:57:28.260 You know, and repeatedly, when we have seen a problem, we strive to fix it.

00:57:32.960 She doesn't do that. 1.00

00:57:34.280 And what's really interesting is that Hereticon, I met a lot of people who are working on climate

00:57:38.040 change solutions that could easily be deployed and fix climate issues.

00:57:42.800 Some of this is, like, seeding certain chemicals into the sky, some, like, deep sea stuff.

00:57:48.100 And they have, like, minor risks.

00:57:50.840 But despite the minor risks...

00:57:51.980 Well, they're, let's point out, also, like, technically illegal, but this...

00:57:55.880 Also, like...

00:57:56.380 They're technically illegal.

00:57:57.660 Greenpeace has done stuff that is technically illegal for a long time.

00:58:01.160 Why can't they do this evidence-based intervention stuff instead?

00:58:04.400 You know, it's much better than, like, harassing whaling boats.

00:58:06.720 What it shows is that Greta Thornburg could do something, right?

00:58:10.280 Like, she could.

00:58:10.740 Yeah, no, if she wants to do something illegal, she should do something illegal that makes 1.00

00:58:14.340 a difference.

00:58:15.240 And there are all things that make a difference that are illegal.

00:58:18.960 She just wouldn't do them because that would sort of ruin everything.

00:58:21.680 People would say, like, oh, you're messing with the environment.

00:58:23.540 Oh, you're trying something too radical.

00:58:25.140 Oh, you know what?

00:58:25.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:26.280 Because it is even within the pro-environmentalist world controversial, right?

00:58:32.260 Yeah, it's very much like the shooting down the nuclear power plants in Germany, even

00:58:35.600 though they only had Russian oil.

00:58:37.540 So much of the environmentalist movement is athetic in its nature and doesn't actually

00:58:41.020 care about fixing the problems.

00:58:42.920 And if you're talking about the major boards, they could even be threatened about some of

00:58:45.600 these solutions.

00:58:46.460 Yeah.

00:58:47.680 Yeah.

00:58:48.640 Anyway, love you to death, Simone.

00:58:50.580 I have really enjoyed talking with you.

00:58:52.540 I'm probably not going to eat today because I'm feeling so sick.

00:58:55.460 It's for the best.

00:58:56.340 I mean, on the days when I did feel nauseous, it just came right back up after I ate it.

00:59:02.380 So, all right.

00:59:04.060 Well, if you change your mind, I'll bring food to your room.

00:59:06.940 I can bring you, I can make you a smoothie.

00:59:08.700 I can make you another grilled cheese sandwich.

00:59:10.840 Really simple, like mac and cheese.

00:59:12.580 Ramen.

00:59:13.220 Do you want mac and cheese?

00:59:15.400 Mac and cheese or maybe a pizza?

00:59:17.560 Sliced?

00:59:18.360 No.

00:59:18.900 One slice of pizza?

00:59:21.680 I think mac and cheese is going to be easier on me because I can eat it like one little bite

00:59:24.720 at a time.

00:59:25.880 Okay.

00:59:26.340 I will make you mac and cheese then.

00:59:28.220 Yeah.

00:59:28.480 Thank you so much.

00:59:29.340 Love you.

00:59:30.000 I love you too.

00:59:31.280 Today's episode is now at 8 of 10.

00:59:32.460 Not 10 of 10 anymore.

00:59:34.200 Do you think it's because I went in and responded to comments?

00:59:36.580 I think it is.

00:59:38.480 It's a moment of difference.

00:59:39.660 Let me move myself to the right side.

00:59:41.380 You know what I think I'm going to do this weekend?

00:59:43.840 I'm going to go try wife. 1.00

00:59:45.140 I'm going to make the sourdough starter.

00:59:46.560 It's warm enough.

00:59:47.300 Where if I do it and leave it in the sunroom and just keep feeding it there, it'll stay

00:59:51.280 warm enough.

00:59:53.760 I love it.

00:59:54.600 You're amazing.

00:59:55.720 Sourdough.

00:59:56.340 Because your mom had purchased, you know, she had decided during the pandemic she was

00:59:59.740 going to make sourdough and she got like all the accessories for it and then fobbed

01:00:04.260 it off on us because she never made any.

01:00:06.080 This is Winnell?

01:00:07.180 Yeah.

01:00:07.880 I don't know.

01:00:08.420 And so I have the things and it was really nice of her to give them to us.

01:00:11.920 And I'm like, let's do it.

01:00:13.580 We're going to name it our local sourdough starter.

01:00:16.160 I don't know what.

01:00:16.800 Do you want to do you have any candidates for names?

01:00:19.680 I want to make it something like biohazardy.

01:00:22.400 Oh.

01:00:23.200 Like Project 65.

01:00:25.820 Or 12th Monkey or.

01:00:28.560 That's already the name of like a brand.

01:00:30.960 Yeah.

01:00:31.100 Oh yeah.

01:00:31.400 Project 65 is good.

01:00:33.560 I like that.

01:00:35.180 Would you like some Project 65 bread?

01:00:37.200 But yeah.

01:00:39.100 I like it.

01:00:40.320 Okay.

01:00:40.680 We can then sell it on our Patreon to people.

01:00:42.940 Oh my God.

01:00:44.120 Selling our sourdough starter.

01:00:47.140 Yeah.

01:00:47.560 We're thinking about starting a Patreon and kind of like doing.

01:00:50.920 You could either.

01:00:51.440 You can create one if people want to check it out.

01:00:53.460 I haven't published it yet.

01:00:54.740 It's not live yet.

01:00:55.120 You will before this goes live.

01:00:56.520 Okay.

01:00:57.180 Yeah.

01:00:57.480 We have to work out some little details and you'll just edit the content that I drafted.

01:01:01.880 But I figure we have enough additional stuff that we can offer to people.

01:01:06.040 Why not?

01:01:06.500 If they want to.

01:01:07.740 It's a good.

01:01:08.040 Yeah.

01:01:08.100 I mean it's hard for us because we really run on the philosophy of there's nothing I

01:01:11.100 want to restrict my viewers access to whatever their financial situation.

01:01:15.160 We're also reaching a point where we can only communicate directly with so many people

01:01:19.600 too.

01:01:20.560 Yeah.

01:01:20.920 That's the tough thing.

01:01:21.540 Like I think when it gets to a point where we can't do it for everyone, it makes sense

01:01:26.800 to prioritize people who support the channel more.

01:01:30.100 That sounds terrible.

01:01:31.580 Whatever.

01:01:32.740 Also people who are cool on their own, but whatever.

01:01:38.140 I don't know.

01:01:39.340 I'm excited for it.

01:01:43.140 We'll get started here.

01:01:44.180 Let's do it.

01:01:45.300 Let's do it.

01:01:56.240 Let's do it.

01:01:59.580 Let's do it.

Based Camp - June 17, 2025

The Left is Starting to See Their Mistakes! (Should we worry？)

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