Based Camp - The Myth of an Asian IQ Advantage： The Truth is Somehow More Offensive

00:00:00.000 Lynn was comparing American IQ estimates based on a representative sample with Japanese estimates

00:00:05.180 based on upper income, heavily urban samples. Recalculated, the Japanese average came in

00:00:10.980 not at 106.6, but 99.2. When the Chinese American scores were reassessed using up-to-date

00:00:18.180 intelligence metrics, Flynn found they came in at a 97 verbal and a 100 nonverbal. The numbers now

00:00:24.400 suggested, Flynn said, that they had succeeded not because of their higher IQs, but despite their

00:00:30.900 lower IQs. People are cherry-picking studies to get these big differences. It's not that you don't

00:00:36.800 get any difference between ethnic groups, but the difference is typically like two to three IQ points,

00:00:42.720 just not a really significant number. East Asian students spent approximately 13 more hours per

00:00:49.200 week on academic activities compared to their- 13! 13 more hours. It is not some Asians are 1.00

00:00:57.840 smarter than white people thing. It's Asians work harder than white people. Is that an offensive 0.95

00:01:03.200 thing to say? Like, I don't know. No, it's so, I think it's so commonly understood. When you remove

00:01:08.080 all of the DEI nonsense, 72% of the top academic performers become Asian. Like, that's wild. 1.00

00:01:14.880 But it gets more surprising because Asian Americans are actually way less successful than you would 1.00

00:01:20.480 expect them to be. Less than one percent of corporate officers and corporate board members

00:01:24.800 in America are Asians. And only two percent of college presidents. Only nine of the Fortune 500 CEOs

00:01:32.320 are Asians. Gosh. Now, we're going to get to the final part where I'm going to get really offensive here. 1.00

00:01:37.520 Yay! Really offensive. I love these parts. Would you like to know more?

00:01:43.120 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be talking to you. We did an episode that was actually a long quote

00:01:48.800 from our book that went over the myth of a high Jewish Ashkenazi IQ. This episode has gone viral, so

00:01:56.160 that's fun. And I was like, let's double down. Because people said, this episode is going to get

00:02:02.880 you guys canceled. It's going to get Simone's campaign ruined. And I was like, how could it, like,

00:02:07.360 what are they going to accuse us of saying that Jews aren't genetically superior? And somebody was like,

00:02:12.400 like, unironically, yes, they may cancel you for even asking these questions.

00:02:17.200 Like, but, but I don't, I don't think so. I, I genuinely just like, there's these areas that

00:02:23.520 people are not used to engaging with, but I think that we as a society have moved past sort of reactive

00:02:28.800 cancellations in regards to just engaging with like honest scientific information.

00:02:33.760 Well, yeah, just the fact that even there being commonly held group level traits is an extremely

00:02:41.120 controversial thing to say. And then also admitting that intelligence has a genetic component

00:02:47.440 is extremely controversial. And then of course, talking about Jews at all is extremely controversial.

00:02:53.120 So we were just, we weren't just stepping on third rails. We were like playing Twister just to try to touch

00:02:58.960 as many third rails as possible with that. Okay. Well, I decided, I decided I'm going back.

00:03:03.360 I'm going back. Round two of third rail Twister begins in three, two.

00:03:09.920 At the end of the episode, I set up this point where I was like, actually the, the, well, there are

00:03:18.160 specific cognitive traits that seem to have some ethnic correlation, broad IQ doesn't seem to be

00:03:27.680 broadly correlated when you actually dig into the, the, the nitty gritty of what's going on in these

00:03:34.320 studies. But the problem is, is we know that if it was highly correlated with ethnicity, we wouldn't

00:03:41.200 be allowed to say that it was highly correlated with ethnicity. So whenever somebody comes along

00:03:46.400 and says, here are some stats proving that it is, everybody just immediately jumps on it because

00:03:52.000 they're like, well, at least somebody is giving me some information here. But unfortunately, a lot

00:03:56.480 of the people who are doing this often have like alternative motivations. And so if you actually dig

00:04:02.080 into the stats, what you then find, what we found was the Jewish situation is it's, it's not clear.

00:04:08.560 It's not, it appears that Jews have some areas where they're a little different cognitively, 0.57

00:04:14.000 but there isn't this huge IQ gap that is purported by the people who are the biodiversity bros,

00:04:20.320 even HPD bros. And it's actually very similar when you go into the Asian IQ differential. So that's

00:04:28.240 what we'll be going into in this. I am going to start because I don't want to get in trouble for

00:04:31.840 anything I'm about to say here. So I am going to be quoting from Malcolm Gladwell, who wrote an

00:04:37.920 article in New Yorker on this subject, which I paid for to get access to this article, just so I could

00:04:43.200 be quoting Malcolm Gladwell. So no one could say that I had said this stuff. Okay. All right. So

00:04:49.920 Malcolm says, now, hold on when you're quoting this, you don't get to say evil. Malcolm says,

00:04:53.760 that's what I'll say. Evil Malcolm. So nobody thinks that this is coming from my mouth. Okay. Okay. So Malcolm says,

00:05:00.320 Flynn, and he's talking about Flynn from the Flynn effect, a really well observed phenomenon that we

00:05:06.560 now have the reverse Flynn effect and blah, blah, blah. But historically it was the effect that showed

00:05:11.120 that IQ was rising over time as people were getting access to more nutrition. And then this effect

00:05:17.600 saturated, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Flynn brings a similar precision to the question of whether Asians 0.51

00:05:22.160 have a genetic advantage in IQ, a possibility that has led to great excitement among IQ fundamentalists in

00:05:26.960 recent years. Data showing that the Japanese had higher IQs than people from European descent,

00:05:31.520 for example, prompted the British psychometrician and eugenicist Richard Lynn to concoct an elaborate

00:05:38.000 evolutionary explanation involving the Himalayas, really cold weather, pre-modern hunting practices,

00:05:43.600 brain size, and specialized vowel sounds. The fact that the IQs of Chinese Americans also seem to be

00:05:50.480 elevated has led IQ fundamentalists to posit the existence of an international IQ pyramid with Asians at

00:05:56.640 the top, European whites next, and Hispanics and blacks at the bottom. Here was a question Taylor made for

00:06:03.520 James Flynn's accounting skills. He looked first at Lynn's data and realized that the comparison was

00:06:08.080 skewed. Lynn was comparing American IQ estimates based on a representative sample of school children

00:06:13.760 with Japanese estimates based on upper income, heavily urban samples. Recalculated, the Japanese average came in

00:06:20.800 not at 106.6, but 99.2. Then, Flynn turned his attention to the Chinese American estimates. They turned

00:06:28.880 out to be based on a 1975 study in San Francisco's Chinatown using something called the Lord Thorndike

00:06:36.080 intelligence test. But the Lord Thorndike test was normed in the 1950s. For children in the 1970s, it would

00:06:42.960 have been a piece of cake. When the Chinese American scores were reassessed using up-to-date intelligence 0.97

00:06:47.600 metrics, Flynn found they came in at a 97 verbal and a 100 nonverbal. Chinese Americans had slightly

00:06:54.240 lower IQs than white Americans. The Asian American success story has suddenly been turned on its head. 0.98

00:07:00.080 The numbers now suggested, Flynn said, that they had succeeded not because of their higher IQs,

00:07:06.080 but despite their lower IQs. Asians were overachievers. In a nifty piece of statistical analysis, 1.00

00:07:13.600 Flynn then worked out just how great that overachievement was. Among whites, virtually everyone who joins the 0.88

00:07:19.520 ranks of the managerial, professional, and technical occupation had an IQ of 97 or above. Among Chinese Americans,

00:07:26.240 that threshold was 90. A Chinese American with an IQ of 90, it would appear, does as much with it as white Americans 0.72

00:07:33.600 with an IQ of 97. And this is a point we're going to go into a lot later in statistics I pulled up after this article.

00:07:38.640 There should be no great mystery about Asian American achievement. It has to do with hard work and

00:07:44.400 dedication to higher education and belonging to a culture that stresses professional success. But

00:07:48.960 Flynn makes one more observation. The children of that first successful wave of Asian Americans really 1.00

00:07:54.160 did have IQs that were higher than everyone else's, coming in somewhere at 103. Having worked their way into

00:08:00.560 the upper reaches of the occupational scale and taken note of how much the professionals value abstract

00:08:07.200 thinking, Asian American parents have evidently made sure that their own children wore scientific

00:08:12.160 spectacles. Quote, Chinese Americans are an ethnic group for whom high achievement preceded high IQ

00:08:18.800 rather than the reverse, end quote. Flynn concludes, reminding us that in our discussion of the relationship

00:08:24.720 between IQ and success, we often confuse causes and effects. So, thoughts?

00:08:31.040 I had never read anything like that before. This is surprising.

00:08:37.040 Yeah, it is surprising, but it gets more surprising because there's a few things that we're going to

00:08:43.680 note here. One is that Asian Americans are actually way less successful than you would expect them to be. 0.99

00:08:49.680 How can that be? When you look at general income and performance stats in the United States, they just

00:08:55.680 excel. When we talk about discrimination at elite universities, they're the ones that they're like,

00:09:00.640 stop throwing them at this. They're too qualified.

00:09:02.640 Everything you're saying is right. And we're going to get into how this leads to a very surprising

00:09:07.600 results when you actually look at key leadership positions. And then secondarily, we're going to be

00:09:12.720 talking about something really interesting, which is how East Asian, like why, if East Asians are not 0.96

00:09:19.120 particularly smarter than white Americans, why do they keep out-competing them, right? 0.53

00:09:23.680 Right, yeah. Well, and I guess not everywhere because how many East Asian politicians are there

00:09:28.560 in the US and how many East Asian- Well, that's what we're going to get to. So, they seem to out-compete 1.00

00:09:32.080 them within the average ranges and they seem to be massively slammed by them in the extremist angles.

00:09:39.120 Oh. So, how are they- So, they're like the women of smart people. Their distribution is less flat

00:09:49.120 and more clumped, but in a generally high area. Actually, yes, that is something we actually find

00:09:55.200 with their intelligence scores. That's so interesting.

00:09:57.840 They have a less wide distribution. But we also see from the data why they are so handedly out-competing

00:10:05.920 white people. Okay. 0.51

00:10:06.880 So, here I am going to be reading from the abstract of an article called Explaining Asian Americans'

00:10:12.640 Academic Advantage Over Whites. We find that the Asian American educational advantage over whites 0.96

00:10:18.880 is attributable mainly to Asian students exerting greater academic effort and not to advantages in

00:10:24.400 tested cognitive abilities or socio-demographics. We test explanations for the Asian-white gap in

00:10:30.560 academic effort and find that the gap can be further attributed to one, cultural differences in

00:10:35.920 beliefs regarding the connection between effort and achievement and two, immigration status.

00:10:41.280 Finally, we highlight the potential psychological and social costs associated with Asian American 0.95

00:10:46.560 achievement and success. So-

00:10:48.800 Insert Asian dad meme here. It's the standards. It's the culture. 0.91

00:10:52.400 But hold on. Hold on. I want to give the actual numbers here because they're interesting.

00:10:56.800 East Asian students spent approximately 13 more hours per week on academic activities compared to their

00:11:02.720 non-ish counterparts. 13? Holy-

00:11:05.120 13 more hours.

00:11:06.560 Is that not- that's in the United States, not a world of cram schools and insane-

00:11:11.520 Yeah, no, that's in the United States. They are choosing to spend an additional

00:11:16.880 13 hours is an astronomical amount of time in a week. Consider that like you sleep, you know,

00:11:23.920 like eight hours a night, right? So that means that they are spending probably around 25% of the

00:11:31.600 recreational time as their white counterparts. 0.72

00:11:33.600 Huh.

00:11:34.160 Um, basically, they're earning it. It's how they're-

00:11:39.280 It is not some Asians are smarter than white people thing. It's Asians work harder than white 0.99

00:11:45.520 people. Is that an offensive thing to say? Like, I don't know-

00:11:48.560 No, it's so- I think it's so commonly understood though. I mean, as much as I'm surprised by what

00:11:54.000 you're saying, I also shouldn't be surprised because yes, it is common knowledge that East Asians in the

00:11:59.200 United States perform really well, but it's also a common meme, and certainly among even people who

00:12:05.040 aren't around Asian populations, that Asian families tend to have higher academic and professional

00:12:11.680 standards. And then don't forget Asian dad meme, which is just my favorite, you know,

00:12:15.600 your bra size B cup, why not A cup?

00:12:18.960 Pregnancy test, I have very mixed feelings about this one. You're watching The Bachelor,

00:12:23.680 why not watch The Doctorate? You know, like just, I just, I love, I love it. And I should have thought,

00:12:29.760 like, yes, especially because you and I are the, it's the culture people. I should have thought,

00:12:35.520 this is this, why would it be genetic when the culture is so obviously oriented around high

00:12:40.480 performance? And like, we all know this, right? Like, if you had Asian friends growing up, like, 0.56

00:12:46.080 you knew their parents were harder on them than yours.

00:12:48.320 Yeah. And, and I will note before we get further here, we are not saying IQ doesn't have a genetic

00:12:54.320 correlate. It does.

00:12:55.520 Just seeing the, the purported stereotypes of how it clusters around ethnic groups is just super wrong.

00:13:03.760 That is, that is what we're saying. And it is so super wrong that you basically as an individual

00:13:10.000 don't have the data to make statements or views or prescriptions around this information.

00:13:18.400 Just because it's so muddled by bad actors, basically.

00:13:22.720 Yeah. I guess it's kind of like a lot of unregulated medicine where I think it's totally

00:13:27.920 legitimate to say, yeah, mainstream medicine doesn't necessarily have all the right answers,

00:13:31.760 but then you go into alternative medicine and people are giving you homeopathic cures and,

00:13:36.560 you know, caffeine enemas. And it's like, no, no.

00:13:40.960 Okay. So, so that's, so that's, that's all we're trying to point out here. Okay. So, so next,

00:13:45.520 I'm going to go into an article that I found really interesting, which ends up that the writer of

00:13:51.200 this article was so cucked. They ended up being like, oh, this means nothing. It'll all even out

00:13:55.440 over time. We can just, you know, but, but I'm going to say, no, no, no, no, no. This is actually

00:14:01.040 significant. And it's something we need to talk about. The article was titled, if Asian Americans

00:14:05.920 are so smart, how come they have no power or influence? And so it starts out. Ouch.

00:14:12.960 In California, where a voter initiative outlawed racial preferences in admission,

00:14:16.560 nearly half of the undergraduates at the top public universities, UC Berkeley and UCLA are now

00:14:22.320 Asians in the Ivy league, which maintains all the traditional preferences for disadvantaged minorities 1.00

00:14:27.920 and athletes and alumni legacies. Undergraduate enrollment is still disproportionately between 15%

00:14:33.680 and 20% Asian because of academic performance. Stunyset High School, an elite public school in New

00:14:39.440 York, which is a feeder school for top colleges and universities and admits exclusively on test

00:14:44.960 performance. So in a city that's less than 13% Asian, 72% of the students at Stunyset are Asian. So

00:14:53.280 when you remove all of the DEI nonsense, 72% of the top academic performers become Asian. Like that's wild. 1.00

00:15:00.880 Now you might conclude that although Asians made up only 4.8 of the US population in 2010 census,

00:15:07.920 they probably have a disproportionate amount of power and influence in the US because of their

00:15:12.320 educational accomplishments. But that seems not to be the case. According to a much discussed

00:15:17.360 article in New York Magazine by Weasley Yang, statistics tell a different story. The article cites

00:15:22.240 various studies showing that less than 1% of corporate officers and corporate board members

00:15:27.040 in America are Asians and only 2% of college presidents. Only nine of the Fortune 500 CEOs are

00:15:34.720 Asians. Even in specific areas with a lot of Asian Americans, they are concentrated in lower ranks. 0.97

00:15:41.200 Although a third of software engineers in Silicon Valley are Asian, they make up only 6% of board

00:15:46.240 members and 10% of corporate officers in the Bay Area's 25 largest companies. At the National Institute of

00:15:53.200 Health, where 21.5% of the scientists are Asians, only 4.7% of the lab or branch directors are.

00:16:00.800 Good Lord.

00:16:02.640 Asians get creamed at the upper ranks. So one, I would say I think a huge portion of this is DEI. 1.00

00:16:08.960 Asians, I think by far are the most discriminated class in the DEI world because on average,

00:16:19.440 they are the biggest large group to out-compete other groups. And so...

00:16:22.560 Yeah, but wouldn't you, I mean, I feel like you could still get points when there are,

00:16:27.040 when your imperative is to just not hire or promote another white man. The Asian competent 0.59

00:16:34.560 person would seem like the obvious choice. So you would... So this actually, and I think it's

00:16:40.160 why a lot of Indians have been able to move up so much. But not Asians? Not East Asians? 1.00

00:16:44.400 Well, no, but some Indians look like quote-unquote people of color to people in the United States.

00:16:49.440 They look darker. This is about how dark you look. 0.99

00:16:51.680 They look darker. I genuinely think that's why Indians have risen so much in the tech industry 1.00

00:16:56.000 is because they look... Because they look... Some look...

00:16:59.040 They have similar... I think it's that they have similar... I... Kamala Harris. 0.88

00:17:05.440 Well, Kamala Harris is half black, but I think that realistically, when these people in these 1.00

00:17:11.840 tech companies are choosing to promote someone, and keep in mind how much of their staff is Asian,

00:17:16.160 right? So if you're talking in Silicon Valley, they were saying 21.5% of the scientists in this

00:17:21.440 one group were Asian. And then in Silicon Valley, it was around a third of software engineers.

00:17:25.840 That's a lot of people. Yeah.

00:17:27.360 Yeah. But the point being is that when you are the promoting officer, when you're the HR person,

00:17:31.920 and you're looking at your pool of software engineers, you see your Asian employees as white,

00:17:37.360 because there are just so many of them. I'm telling you that's what it is, in huge part.

00:17:44.800 And you see this when they talk about it. When Asians get out there, and they're like, 1.00

00:17:47.840 we're being discriminated against a college admission.

00:17:49.840 Well, they are.

00:17:51.600 Yeah, they are.

00:17:53.840 Wow.

00:17:55.040 Asians are white to the left, as Jews are, for example. 0.62

00:17:59.600 At least they're not hated the same way as Jews. Though they had their, man, like World War II was

00:18:05.040 just, oh, let's forget about the fact that we had Japanese internment camps. I mean,

00:18:09.760 talk about like, just like Jews, they were put in camps. But guess who put them in the camps? 0.98

00:18:14.480 We did. I mean, we didn't burn them.

00:18:17.040 And I would say that they had their property stolen.

00:18:19.040 A lot of the Asian American communities, this is what's really interesting, is Black Americans will 1.00

00:18:23.440 say the reason that we're behind is because we had everything taken from us. But I'm like, yeah,

00:18:27.520 well, Japanese Americans had that happen much more recently in their history.

00:18:31.040 Exactly.

00:18:31.120 They had all their, a lot of their businesses taken, a lot of their homes taken.

00:18:34.080 Oh, yeah.

00:18:34.480 Everything that they, they, World War II set the Japanese- 1.00

00:18:36.800 I can't believe that happened. It still blows my mind that that happened. It is insane.

00:18:42.080 Did one of your family members like stay in, in some Japanese person's property to save it for 1.00

00:18:46.720 them after they got out of the internment camp?

00:18:48.240 A lot of our, our extended like friends and family either were themselves related to,

00:18:54.240 like had, had, you say like first generation Japanese immigrant ancestors who were themselves

00:18:59.520 interned or who tried to help people who were interned. But it doesn't matter if your neighbors

00:19:07.280 try to help keep squatters out of your house while you're sent off to a camp as an American.

00:19:12.720 It's not squatters out of your house. People would just take the houses or the farms or the property

00:19:17.200 or the businesses. So anyway, the East Asian community, but all of this creates a problem 1.00

00:19:22.240 for modern narratives, right? If East Asians are doing better than white people because they're 0.98

00:19:27.600 working harder, this creates some troubling- It's such a bad look. Yeah. It's the, because

00:19:34.080 the whole thing of like work harder, get a job. Get a goddamn job, Al. You got a negative attitude. 0.99

00:19:41.600 That's what's stopping you. You got to get your act together.

00:19:44.720 Everyone hates, there's this meme on the internet. I'm sure you've seen it where Kim Kardashian is

00:19:48.640 just like, just work, get up and work, get out of bed. Like she, people hate that. They use it all

00:19:53.360 the time in a mocking way, but she's right. Get your fucking ass up and work. It seems like nobody 1.00

00:19:59.680 wants to work these days.

00:20:03.600 Get out of bed and work.

00:20:05.600 Kim is right. And also Kim is very successful and all the people who I see dumping on her are

00:20:11.280 not as successful as she is. So get out of bed and work, kids. But yeah, no, no one wants to say that.

00:20:17.440 So, so hold on because, because that is actually, I think DEI is a big part of why they're not

00:20:21.920 reaching the tops of these organizations. And I think another big part comes from the work. It

00:20:27.920 could be due to a distributional concentration that we talked about earlier, that they have a

00:20:32.640 fewer long tails. It could be due to their specific specialism. Remember how we said that-

00:20:39.040 The whole doctor lawyer thing?

00:20:40.400 Well, no, in the same way that Jewish people don't really have a significantly different IQ

00:20:46.240 than other people. It's like 1% different.

00:20:48.720 Oh, right. But the things that they specialize in put them into positions of especially memetic

00:20:52.960 influential, influential power, like politics, like media, like, yeah.

00:20:57.760 Yeah, yeah. Specifically with Asia, East Asian populations, the area where they consistently

00:21:02.640 underperform is inverval. I mean, and they're probably not as good at the bureaucratic game.

00:21:07.360 Yeah. 0.90

00:21:07.920 And they're getting kind of screwed. Like our, our economy runs on them, apparently like 0.76

00:21:13.520 Silicon Valley and stuff like that. But yeah, but they're not, they're, they're, they're,

00:21:17.280 they're failing at the water cooler. They're killing it on the, you know,

00:21:21.360 We'll get into some hypotheses about this, but before we do that, I want to get into another

00:21:25.360 thing here because a lot of people might still be under this illusion that if you actually like

00:21:30.640 split the data or you go into the data, they're like, oh, there's, there's probably a reason

00:21:35.600 why you guys never mentioned, um, black American IQ. Like you, you must be just trying to avoid 1.00

00:21:41.360 that. It's like way lower or something like that. Well, but it's, it's, hold on, hold on,

00:21:46.400 hold on. Okay. So I'm gonna go into a study here. Okay. Um, because I think that if you are just

00:21:54.080 reading human biodiversity, bro stuff, you can be convinced that there are bigger differences than

00:22:00.800 there are if you're actually looking at the preponderance of data. Oh, with all groups,

00:22:05.680 right? I mean, with Jews and with Asians and with blacks. Yeah. Yeah. So here I'm going to be reading

00:22:09.840 a study that that's titled racial IQ differences amongst transracial adoptees. Fact or artifact?

00:22:16.960 What is a transracial adoptee? So this is specifically because culture, right?

00:22:21.600 Oh, okay. Okay. So, so like a white Midwestern couple adopting a baby from Korea. That's what they mean. Okay.

00:22:28.800 Okay. Okay. So some academic publications infer from studies of transracial adoptee IQs 0.89

00:22:36.720 that East Asian adoptees raised in the West by whites have higher IQs than Western whites,

00:22:41.200 and white adoptees raised by whites have higher IQs than black adoptees raised by whites.

00:22:45.920 Those publications suggest that this is because of genetic differences. This is because genetic

00:22:51.120 differences give East Asians a higher mean IQ than whites and whites a higher mean IQ than blacks. 0.75

00:22:56.800 This paper proposes a parsimonious alternative explanation. The apparent IQ advantage of East 1.00

00:23:02.080 Asian adoptees is an artifact caused by ignoring the Flynn effect and adoption's beneficial effect 0.97

00:23:08.720 on IQ. And most of the IQ disadvantage of black adoptees disappears when one allows for attrition 0.98

00:23:15.280 in the Minnesota transracial adoption study and acknowledges the results of other studies.

00:23:20.720 Diagnosing these artifacts suggests a nil hypothesis. East Asian white and black adoptees raised in the

00:23:27.040 same environment would have similar IQs hinting at a minimum role of genes in racial IQ differences.

00:23:33.280 So Flynn effect adjustments. The author adjusts IQ scores from older studies to account for the

00:23:38.400 fin effect. The tendency of IQ scores to rise over time. For example, he subtracts six to eight points from

00:23:44.480 IQ scores in the Lane et al study to account for this effect. Comparison of adjusted scores. After

00:23:50.800 adjusting for the fin effect, the author shows that many East Asian adoptees IQ scores are closer to or

00:23:55.360 below 100 rather than significantly above as previously claimed. Meta analysis. The author combined results

00:24:01.120 from multiple studies, weighing them by sample size and variance, where it calculates the black,

00:24:06.320 white, biracial adoptees lagged white adoptees 0.4 to 3.1 IQ points on average. Attrition analysis. In the

00:24:14.800 Minnesota transracial adoption study, the author demonstrates how attrition loss of participants

00:24:19.040 over time inflated white adoptees mean IQ by about 3.8 points while having minimal effect on black 0.75

00:24:24.560 adoptee scores. Environmental factor analysis. The author quantifies environmental differences between

00:24:29.600 adoptee groups showing that black, black adoptees in the Minnesota study had worse environments on

00:24:35.040 several measures. 2.1 standard deviation when you're looking at this. Large scale data analysis.

00:24:40.720 The author analyzes from Swedish national studies, Dana et al and Lundborg et al, showing that the

00:24:46.480 Korean adoptees showed only 1.5 IQ points above the general Swedish population, which he argues is

00:24:53.040 negligible when accounting for the adoptive IQ boost. Statistical significance testing. The author used

00:24:59.120 T-tests and discuss p-values and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so the point being is that a

00:25:04.800 lot of these studies that you classically look at around this, when you start to account for

00:25:09.920 statistical artifacts, the big differences that they're showing disappear. People are cherry-picking

00:25:16.080 studies to get these big differences. It's not that you don't get any difference between ethic groups,

00:25:22.000 but the difference is typically like two to three IQ points, just not a really significant number.

00:25:28.320 And I think this really surprises people. And you've also got to keep in mind the effects of

00:25:33.120 bias here. When I say bias, I mean bias on the adoptive parents. There have been studies on teachers

00:25:40.320 where they were in one instance told that this student is a genius and is going to do really well. 0.97

00:25:46.160 And in another instance, we're told this student is really dumb and is going to do really. 0.97

00:25:49.120 Right. And they're the same students. And then they start treating the dumb students as though 0.99

00:25:52.560 they're dumb and the genius. Well, no, no, they actually do this between students. 1.00

00:25:56.720 So this study I think would be pretty unethical to do by today's standards, 0.81

00:25:59.440 but the students that the teachers told were dumb end up doing much worse than the students 0.88

00:26:03.280 that teachers are told. Yeah. I remember seeing that study. Yeah. Yeah. 0.98

00:26:06.320 So if you, if you have a belief that a group is smarter than another group and you're raising kids

00:26:10.480 within that group, it's going to have an effect. And here I should note with, with the black stuff, 0.99

00:26:15.120 any, anything that's like, um, black people are like this genetically can largely just be trashed 1.00

00:26:23.920 in my mind because black people have the highest genetic variation of any population. 0.98

00:26:29.280 That's insane. By this, what I mean is if you're looking at African pools of, of, of people, 1.00

00:26:36.160 if you look at a population on like one side of Africa versus the population on the other side of

00:26:41.440 Africa, and I'll put a graph on screen here that will show this, they will have significantly more

00:26:46.000 genetic variation between them than whites and East Asians have between them or whites and Native

00:26:52.800 Americans have between them. And I don't mean significant, like 20% more. I mean, significant, like 0.50

00:27:00.400 500% more. They, they, they just are, are far more genetically distant from each other.

00:27:06.800 Yeah. And you can't just be like, Oh, well then I'll look at a Nigerian immigrant differently.

00:27:11.440 Then I'll look at someone descended from colonial slaves, because even people who were 1.00

00:27:17.680 stolen is, and then sold as slaves, kidnapped and sold the slaves from Africa were kidnapped

00:27:21.680 in totally different regions over long periods of time. Like this is also, these are very different

00:27:26.400 populations. So it doesn't matter where someone came from. This is not a monolithic group at all.

00:27:33.120 Huge differences in American. So a lot of people would be like, yeah, but once they came to the

00:27:37.520 United States, they all intermixed. And it's like, this is functionally not true. For example,

00:27:42.640 the descendants of the escaped slaves that went moved to the North versus the slaves that were freed

00:27:48.400 and then moved to the North basically exist as two populations that for a long time didn't

00:27:54.080 intermarry and didn't like each other. And if you look at the recent African immigration waves, 0.95

00:28:00.560 they don't really like the American, they are way more racist against American blacks than 0.99

00:28:05.120 American whites are against American blacks. If you have African friends, we have quite a number of 0.98

00:28:09.600 African friends. And it's, it often comes up and I have these moments where I have to like,

00:28:14.400 you know, sort of do that mentally. I don't know if you've ever been in a conversation where

00:28:17.040 somebody gets really racist and you're like doing a little whistle and you get like,

00:28:20.240 I'm just going to go to the back.

00:28:22.240 I don't want to be here.

00:28:24.480 I'm not hearing this. I'm not hearing this. I'm not hearing this. I'm not here. This isn't

00:28:28.160 happening right now. Please go and have a recorder on, but this happens all the time when I'm talking

00:28:32.000 to my African friends because they will, because they know that they're not going to have the same 0.99

00:28:35.200 blowback that, you know, I would have for saying something like that. And so, you know, they,

00:28:39.200 I think relish in being able to get away with this, but then let's, let's go over some other

00:28:42.800 studies. And watching the sweat. Oh God. Three other studies lend support to the environmental

00:28:48.560 explanations of group IQ differences. IELTS first, 1961, studied out of wedlock children

00:28:55.680 of black and white soldiers stationed in Germany after World War II, who were then raised by white 0.50

00:29:00.400 German mothers. In what has become known as the Eierhoff study, he found no significant differences

00:29:06.080 in average IQ between groups. Tizard et al, 1972, studied black,

00:29:11.920 West Indian, white, and mixed race children raised in British long-stay residential nurseries.

00:29:18.480 Two of three tests found no statistical differences. One test found higher scores for

00:29:23.360 non-white people. Moore, 1986, compared black and mixed race children adopted by either black

00:29:29.680 or white middle-class families in the United States. Moore observed that 23 black and interracial

00:29:35.440 children raised by white parents had significantly higher mean scores than 23 age-matched children raised

00:29:41.680 by black parents, 11 versus 104, and argued that differences in early socialization explained

00:29:47.200 these differences. And here's the thing about all of this. Like this isn't necessarily better.

00:29:54.320 It's kind of like worse, right? If, if, if you point out three things, okay, there are not actually large

00:30:05.040 IQ differences between groups in the United States. Okay. And, and actually we'll say there

00:30:09.520 are some differences within the United States. So here we've got to talk about the immigrant effect,

00:30:12.880 right? And this is where you actually get like big IQ differences with some groups is immigrants are

00:30:19.280 typically going to have traits that will make them better in business. When contrasted with non-immigrants, 0.99

00:30:25.360 you're going to be more ambitious, more open to change, more open to risk, more open to,

00:30:30.560 I mean, I think that this is why, you know, America's entrepreneur class is disproportionately

00:30:34.000 our immigrant class. I think it's like 37% of like wealth driven by new companies was,

00:30:38.720 were created by immigrants. Well, and there are many, many, many Asian entrepreneurs.

00:30:45.600 And that would also, this would also go to my DEI hypothesis. It's not about the distribution thing

00:30:50.720 because Asian entrepreneurs aren't being selected as against by DEI as much as like, do you become

00:30:56.640 the head of a fortune 500 company? Do you become the head of a department, right? Which is a DEI hurt,

00:31:01.760 which means that they actually could perform equally if not for DEI. But it's, it's not like this, this,

00:31:08.320 what I'm saying here isn't offensive. So I want you to consider the implications if everything I'm

00:31:14.480 saying here is true. Okay. There aren't big IQ differences between groups in the United States.

00:31:21.360 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Historic discrimination does not explain when a group is underperforming.

00:31:29.760 And then finally, most of the difference between things like Asian and white outcomes is due to how

00:31:36.240 hard they're working due to cultural expectations placed on them. People will say that I'm here like

00:31:41.200 trying to cover for stuff. Okay. Like I'm here trying to like be a woke apologist or something.

00:31:47.040 Excuse me. Those three things taken together don't lead to a woke explanation for anything.

00:31:56.400 If anything, they are significantly worse than just saying one group had a systemic disadvantage

00:32:03.040 around their IQ. But anyway, let's keep going here. So what can we say? So I tried to then look,

00:32:09.040 like with Jews where you saw a slightly difference in some areas, you know, like they did slightly better

00:32:13.440 in verbal. They did slightly better on verbal and math and they did slightly worse on visuospatial

00:32:21.280 and general reasoning. And this, I actually think it's mostly their culture, but you could argue

00:32:26.640 that this has helped them. Okay. So if both Jews and East Asians are doing poorly on general reasoning, 0.85

00:32:30.720 who's doing well on general reasoning? I can't say that, Simone. You know, I can't say that,

00:32:36.000 but hold on. I've got to keep going here. Okay. So what can I say? Yes. Overall IQ. East Asians tend 1.00

00:32:45.120 to score slightly higher on average than whites on IQ tests, but we're typically looking at like maybe

00:32:51.920 three to two points here. Okay. Okay. Not a meaningful number. Spatial reasoning. East Asians typically 1.00

00:32:58.000 demonstrate stronger spatial slash nonverbal intelligence compared with white populations. 0.80

00:33:04.000 And it's, it's very consistent across studies, verbal abilities. They tend to store, they tend

00:33:09.200 to underscore on verbal abilities. This is across scores, mathematical abilities. They tend to

00:33:14.480 outperform in mathematical abilities. And some research suggests a smaller distribution. Well,

00:33:19.920 here, if you're saying, okay, they're about equal with like the Jewish and white populations,

00:33:24.080 right? And black populations, but here I'm just using whites because that's what all the studies

00:33:27.600 would compare them to. And you don't need to correct for all the additional artifacts. So if you're

00:33:32.720 doing this right, what it could mean is specifically what allows a group to out-compete for the top

00:33:40.480 ranked position in our existing society, uh, like the Jewish population clearly does see our Jewish

00:33:45.600 video. It might just be that little extra verbal intelligence. It could be that verbal intelligence is

00:33:50.640 incredibly important in accessing bureaucratically gated positions. And that seems intuitively right.

00:33:56.400 Yeah. Now I'm going to get to something very offensive. So I am not saying it. This is coming

00:34:02.560 from South Korean psychologist, Eun-Hon Kim in 2004. And she argues that there is a strong

00:34:10.640 negative correlation to be found between creativity and Confucianism. In her exploration of creativity

00:34:16.560 among Southeast Asian countries with strong Confucius traditions, Kwon-hee Kim concluded that there is

00:34:23.440 an, quote, ideological opposition between Confucianism and creativity, where Confucianism

00:34:28.320 is about staying with tradition and living within existing confines, while creative strengths are

00:34:34.400 about investigating fresh, investing fresh energy into new ideas, end quote. And so here I'm just going

00:34:42.160 to go over a few points. She makes Confucian principles in Asian parenting and education emphasize

00:34:46.720 conformity, hierarchy, filial piety, and academic achievement, which can stifle creativity, which

00:34:52.640 like, yeah, I guess that kind of checks out, right? Like if you train people to toe a line,

00:35:00.320 then they're not going to thrive it. Yeah. I mean, what we've seen with pretty much all research on

00:35:07.280 mental performance and body performance is use it or lose it. So any modality that would,

00:35:13.840 you know, lead to some, some element of your brain function to atrophy like creativity

00:35:20.640 or running against authority or doing stuff that's weird. Yeah. That makes sense.

00:35:26.400 And then what makes you think it's offensive then?

00:35:28.880 Hold on. I mean, I'll explain why it's offensive when I get to the end of this.

00:35:32.720 Kim found in her research, a strong negative correlation between Confucianism and creativity

00:35:37.440 in her research. So basically the more Confucian somebody was in their value system,

00:35:41.520 the less creative they would be. And the specific elements that she said led to this were obedience

00:35:47.200 and respect for hierarchy, which yes, would create that outcome. She argues gender inequality. I don't 0.55

00:35:54.000 think so. I think that's just woke nonsense. Conformity, conformity would definitely. And

00:35:58.160 conformity is important to Confucian value sets, right? Suppression of expression. I don't believe 0.90

00:36:03.440 that that's important, but work pay dichotomy. Now this could actually be one of the key aspects

00:36:09.040 here. And I've really seen this was my Asian parent friend group, right? Is there's a much

00:36:15.040 stronger dichotomy in the Asian friends I have between work and play than in white cultural values,

00:36:22.240 especially because white cultural values aren't unanimous. So here I'd say I noticed this dichotomy.

00:36:26.960 I also see it more in like Catholic cultural groups. But if you're looking at like the greater

00:36:31.280 Appalachian cultural group, which we come from, you know, and here I'll play a clip from one of

00:36:34.960 simone's favorite songs that you cry whenever you listen to. Do what you love, but call it work,

00:36:50.320 they say in the song. And it's true. It is a strong cultural value of the greater Appalachian region

00:36:56.720 and was in a number of white cultures that have ended up becoming dominant in the greater American

00:37:02.560 cultural ecosystem. But keep in mind, there's many different white cultures in the American

00:37:06.080 cultural ecosystem that are as different from each other as they are from East Asian cultural groups. 1.00

00:37:10.320 Now we're going to get to the final part where I'm going to get really offensive here. Yay.

00:37:16.800 Really offensive. I love these parts. So I just came in here and had this conversation with you all

00:37:23.760 where I was like, look, ethnicity just really doesn't matter that much to IQ differences. It's culture,

00:37:30.800 it's culture, it's culture. And then people may hear, you know, somebody's here and they're all

00:37:36.800 sad. They're like, but I wanted a master race. Why isn't there a master race, Malcolm?

00:37:45.440 Who are they? And I'm like, well, unfortunately, the data just doesn't seem to show any groups. It's

00:37:51.440 really like out competing everyone, except for maybe Jayans. We'll get to that later. 0.99

00:37:55.680 Oh, what? Okay. Chains are going extinct. So it doesn't really matter.

00:38:00.640 Yeah. Yeah. I guess you have to kind of define, I see that as failure to thrive, but okay.

00:38:06.960 Failure to, yeah, whatever you want to call it, they're not having kids. Okay. But,

00:38:11.760 but IQ does have a genetic correlate and that genetic correlate differentiates,

00:38:19.280 not between ethnic groups, but due to two core things. Okay. One.

00:38:29.840 Culture and culture. Recent genetic bottlenecks. Oh, duh. Yeah. Two.

00:38:38.480 Class. Oh boy. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Here's the, here's the part where it got really offensive. We

00:38:46.320 finally got there. Thank you. I'll give you an explanation of what I mean here when I talk about

00:38:52.800 Asian population groups right here. Right? So in the United States, I'll give an example from

00:38:58.000 starting with the United States, because it's what I always give, which is of Cubans. I talked to 0.97

00:39:01.680 Americans about Cubans and they go, Oh, Cubans. Yes. Cubans. They're, they're very Republican.

00:39:07.920 They're very entrepreneurial. They're very hardworking. They're very wealthy. Their businesses

00:39:13.600 seem to work at like really disproportionate rates when contrasted with other groups. Cubans. Yes.

00:39:18.960 Those are the traits of Cubans. And it's like, no, those are the traits of Cuban Americans. There's a 0.99

00:39:26.640 whole other communist country out there, you knob head. And those are not the traits of the people who

00:39:33.120 stayed in that country. There was a recent hard selection event, which led to a bunch of people

00:39:38.960 with similar beliefs and keep in mind that it's not just like IQ, right? Like in terms of success,

00:39:45.600 IQ isn't the predominant factor. It's things like ambition and entrepreneurialism and comfortableness

00:39:49.760 with change and all of these things, which also have genetic correlates, right? So you had a recent

00:39:54.880 bottleneck that was both cultural because it wasn't just a genetic bottleneck. It was also a cultural

00:39:59.280 bottleneck that led to this group of Cubans coming to the United States. And they created a culture

00:40:06.480 that represented not necessarily Cuban more broadly, but the selection of it. Okay.

00:40:16.080 We also see this in East Asian immigrants to the United States. And I've seen larger analysis that

00:40:22.160 argue this, this small advantage, because remember you do still, when you really wash things out,

00:40:26.640 see like a small, like three point advantage in East Asian populations, the United States,

00:40:30.240 if you contrast it with non-immigrant populations that stayed in East Asian, it disappears. Because 0.96

00:40:36.800 immigrating to the United States from East Asia is very difficult. It's a lot of sacrifices. It requires

00:40:42.400 a base level of wealth. And there are certain pressures that are going to draw you here, cultural

00:40:46.800 pressures, like a value for entrepreneurialism, a value for freedom, a value for, but then you also

00:40:51.840 have a bottleneck. There is one country in the world today that 70% of the world's computing powder

00:40:57.040 relies on. If they disappeared, our entire world of AI would collapse. Our entire world of modernity

00:41:06.240 would collapse. And you might say, oh, this country must be uniquely competent in some way. What could have

00:41:14.160 created this country of hyper-competence? It was a recent selection event. The country, of course, I am

00:41:21.520 talking about here is Taiwan. And Taiwan was largely created when the Shanghai Sheck's government was 0.97

00:41:30.320 retreating. And they were fascists to start, but the communists were coming in. First, people who

00:41:35.840 didn't like communism were like, I'm going to get out of here, similar to the Cubans who went to the 1.00

00:41:38.800 United States. But then secondly, the Shanghai Sheck group, they were like, oh, we want to take everyone 0.99

00:41:44.720 who looks like they could be useful in any like entrepreneurial business people or any people who

00:41:49.680 had achieved a level of success. And they pulled them out. And that created the birthplace of the

00:41:54.480 modern, whatever, you know, what's it coming, Taiwanese cultural group, which now produces the world

00:42:01.680 chips. Like, Taiwan and China are basically the same ethnicity, okay? It is genuinely remarkable with like

00:42:12.880 10x their wealth. And the government is pumping money into this in China. The Chinese cannot figure 1.00

00:42:20.800 out how to make advanced semiconductors. They are trying hard. And yet the Taiwanese have this figured 1.00

00:42:28.720 out. And they can't even like work with Americans. Like there's studies of like them trying to like

00:42:32.400 set up factories in America. And they're like, these white people just can't figure out these factories. 0.64

00:42:36.000 But I mean, that, that, I mean, it should, they're like, they're, they don't follow orders well 0.95

00:42:40.160 enough. And this is all true. Like we can look at Confucianism and say, well, Confucianism leads to 0.94

00:42:47.440 lower types of creative outcomes. Right. But sometimes that's not that sometimes that's ideal.

00:42:53.680 Yeah. Maybe it's this very conformity, which has allowed them in a hierarchy preference,

00:42:58.400 which has allowed them to do these super clean fabs that no one else can create on scale.

00:43:03.760 Okay. And everyone else has tried. This is a national security interest of every other country

00:43:09.040 on earth. We just can't do it or not at scale in the way that they're doing it. And so the, the, the,

00:43:15.360 the, the, the thing here is that yes, different groups are different and we globally benefit from

00:43:24.400 that difference. Progressives say we love diversity, but everyone's secretly the same.

00:43:30.000 And it's like, then why would diversity matter to you if everyone's secretly the same? We're like,

00:43:33.680 we love diversity because no group is better than another group, but each group brings its own

00:43:39.600 proficiencies and perspectives. And through working with people who have different proficiencies

00:43:43.600 and perspectives, we can do more. But here, I'm going to talk about the last super offensive thing.

00:43:49.680 Okay. Social class, it's social class. Oh boy.

00:43:54.400 Oh no. We're not going to get fully into this, but I'm going to talk about it here

00:43:57.920 in the context of China. So for people who aren't familiar with the Chinese revolution,

00:44:03.600 when they did the revolution, they inverted the social classes. They took any family who had wealth

00:44:09.840 or had businesses or who had education. And as they were redistributing land, as they were

00:44:15.040 redistributing opportunities, they gave them and their children less. They would be regularly mocked

00:44:21.040 in ceremonies, like walking through the town. They would be sometimes just killed for having

00:44:26.480 been rich in the past. And the kids had to grow up as orphans. This was very-

00:44:30.240 They were separated from their kids. Yeah, totally. It was very intense.

00:44:33.760 You had a complete class inversion. Okay. So the communists in China attempted a class inversion.

00:44:40.000 What happened to that class inversion? Okay.

00:44:42.400 It got reversed over time.

00:44:44.480 It became reversed over time. Yeah.

00:44:46.240 So led by Alberto Alessini of Harvard University, the academics mined data from household surveys and

00:44:53.200 census reports and land records. And they found that by 2010, the income of the descendants of the

00:44:58.640 pre-communist elite were 16 to 17% higher than those born into families that were underprivileged

00:45:04.560 before 1949. They were also more likely to have completed secondary and tertiary education.

00:45:11.280 They performed significantly better in mass tests. They were more likely to be in the top decile

00:45:16.320 of earners, not just in China, but also when they immigrated to the US and Canada. So the top decile

00:45:21.600 of earners by 14% more or 11% more of being in the top decile. And by bonus, fun fact, the Tongs, 0.75

00:45:30.160 the Chinese organized crime syndicate, have a stated goal to reinstate Ming emperorship.

00:45:34.800 Oh, okay.

00:45:36.160 And they hold parliament seats, the only non-communist party to do so.

00:45:39.520 Go for it.

00:45:41.520 So yeah, this brings two things, right? Some people do actually seem to have a genetic

00:45:50.240 advantage over other people, but it's not ethnic-based. It's usually class-based. It is immoral to ignore

00:45:56.960 these systemic advantages we are born with. It is immoral for when I talk to my friends at Stanford

00:46:02.240 Business School and they're like, I pulled myself up from my bootstraps and I started with nothing.

00:46:06.400 And I'm like, well, I mean, you did probably have a genetic advantage over your peer group.

00:46:10.480 And they're like, nope. If they had worked as hard as me, they'd have everything I'd have.

00:46:13.360 And I'm like, well, I mean, that's probably not true. Have you thought about getting this tested?

00:46:17.440 You can do a, you know, a genetic test. And then they're like, no, I won't do that. Of course.

00:46:22.320 I won't test to see if I would cheese the game. Pretending you don't see your privilege over

00:46:28.160 other people is not moral.

00:46:29.760 So if you're wondering where I fall genetically, I decided to pull up my results just based on the

00:46:34.320 question I had posed here. Brain volume to two different studies, either the 87th percentile

00:46:40.080 or the 98th percentile. And then for intelligence, the 72nd percentile. And this is to say, I mean,

00:46:48.720 clearly I've achieved more than 72nd percentile in society, but I also very obviously, obviously,

00:46:55.600 obviously had massive advantages over your average person. To compare my relative career success

00:47:04.240 or my relative academic or life success with somebody who didn't have this unearned privilege

00:47:12.720 is frankly unfair and immoral. And it really genuinely disgusts me when people who obviously

00:47:22.880 had some form of a genetic advantage over other people pretend that there is no such thing as

00:47:29.920 heritability of intelligence, which just gives them a right to pretend that they are 100 percent

00:47:38.560 responsible for their own success and that there was no outside hand on the scale tipping the

00:47:44.160 metrics. But this is also why classless societies don't really work because class like reorients itself

00:47:51.040 into society along genetic lines. And this actually happened. You see this in the UK. There's some studies

00:47:56.800 that look at the persistence of class across generations, even when you see significant

00:48:00.960 disruptions or somebody loses everything. And I even saw this with a lot of my Jewish friends.

00:48:06.160 You could just see this. If anyone has tons of Jewish friends, you will know a lot of families

00:48:10.400 that were super wealthy in Germany and they had literally everything taken to them. Came to the US,

00:48:15.680 started from literally nothing, and then became super wealthy again.

00:48:18.480 I think you see this also a lot with the various Soviet countries where people came from. A lot of

00:48:26.240 family wealth completely wiped out. Now they're back at the top. And this is pretty universal, it seems.

00:48:33.760 And so I also want to talk about where does prejudice make sense? If you're going to assume things about

00:48:39.840 somebody, if you're going to be talking to somebody and say, oh, you have some cultural

00:48:44.960 predilection is when you have intentionally sorted cultural groups. Okay. So let's talk about

00:48:51.920 intentionally sorted cultural groups, because that's largely what makes up the United States.

00:48:56.640 What I mean by this is you can largely tell more about somebody's genetic sort of correlates to their

00:49:03.280 perspective by looking at either what part of the United States they decided to settle in,

00:49:08.640 or by looking at what their religion is, their religious cultural identification is,

00:49:14.000 than by looking at their ethnic group. So somebody who chooses to settle in, and I broadly agree with

00:49:19.520 the cultural groups. I might draw some few others and create my own cultural group map of the United

00:49:23.680 States. But I broadly think the American nations map that we've been using that I'll put on screen here

00:49:28.240 is pretty right about American cultural groups. Which is to say, I have, for example, a lot of Indian

00:49:36.560 friends. I grew up with a lot of Indian friends in Dallas, Texas. My Indian friends from Dallas,

00:49:41.760 Texas were culturally very different from the Indians I met who chose to settle in San Francisco.

00:49:47.280 A lot of Indians who choose to settle in San Francisco. They honestly were closer to me,

00:49:53.440 a Texan, culturally speaking, than they were to the Indians who settled in San Francisco.

00:50:00.240 And that was because that requires a cultural choice. Like when you are choosing where to settle,

00:50:05.280 you're like, I'm going to go to Dallas versus San Francisco. There's likely a reason for that.

00:50:10.400 And that reason is in part cultural, it's in part genetic, and it is making that sort. And that is

00:50:16.480 why you actually end up with more concentration of dispositions and perspectives. When you have

00:50:24.800 freedom to move and settle, and you don't look at these historic genetic groups, but instead you say,

00:50:30.800 people are signaling something about themselves to you that is true based on where they choose to move.

00:50:40.000 And we actually have an Indian population near us in Pennsylvania, which I know a few of,

00:50:44.000 and they're actually quite different from the Texas group and the San Francisco group. I think they're

00:50:49.360 actually fairly similar to the Texas group. Like they're much more in common with the Texas group

00:50:53.680 dispositionally than they are to the San Francisco group. But I also think that rural Pennsylvania is very

00:50:58.880 similar to Texas, dispositionally speaking. So that would make sense. Do you have any final thoughts

00:51:04.160 on this, Simone? Or have we just gone too off the rails with offensiveness on this? Just pissed off

00:51:09.040 everyone. We pissed off the biodiversity bros. We pissed off the people who want to say that like,

00:51:14.000 everyone is born exactly equal. We pissed off the people who want to say, my race good, your race bad.

00:51:20.560 I regret nothing. This is, this is perfect. Let them all be angry. Just go out with the torches

00:51:27.120 and just, just lighten everything a fire. No, just go out and work people. You're not working hard

00:51:32.640 enough. It's your own damn fault. Oh my God. Yep. I love it. And I love you. I love you too. And you are 1.00

00:51:40.560 spectacular, Simone. And I am honored to have you as a wife and somebody who can. Back in your days,

00:51:46.800 like when you were a San Francisco urban monoculture person and somebody had brought all this to you,

00:51:50.720 what would you have thought? Would you have thought that they were just a racist or would

00:51:53.360 you have found it interesting? No, I would have had the same reaction I do now.

00:51:58.320 I think most people who aren't like actually brainwashed. That's the thing is, is most people

00:52:02.080 recognize group level differences. And, and like I pointed out at the beginning of this conversation,

00:52:06.560 the fact that Asian dad meme exists, you know, and we have these stereotypes and like mainstream jokes

00:52:13.360 shows that people broadly recognize these group based average differences. So it's not.

00:52:20.880 Yeah. Right. And it's also a very different understanding of success or pushing kids and

00:52:25.040 like my cultural group. So what is really offensive, I will say though, is, is the findings. And again,

00:52:31.520 this is just replicated across so many channels that it's hard for me to imagine a world in which that

00:52:36.400 doesn't make sense, but that people who came from historically high social class or historically

00:52:44.400 wealthy families tend to rise again, even if everything is nuked and everyone starts at the

00:52:50.320 same point again. They didn't start at the same point. I'm just trying to know. They started,

00:52:53.920 they start off worse. They start off worse. Yeah. It's just that even we were interviewed by

00:52:59.280 some people on Monday and one of them sort of kept implying. Wall Street Journal.

00:53:03.120 Yeah. That, that there are, you know, systematic inequalities in society and, and how should

00:53:08.080 those be corrected for? And it's not fair. And there's, I think definitely still this perception

00:53:12.320 that if we just let there be a genuinely level playing field, starting point in society, that

00:53:18.240 people would just then have equal shots at, at succeeding. And that's just not true from the data,

00:53:25.360 because as you point out, even when you take those who are privileged and make them worse off,

00:53:29.600 you put them in at a negative 10 and everyone else is starting at a zero, those people end up at a

00:53:34.640 positive 10 in the end, whereas everyone else is, you know, around like a five or six. So it's,

00:53:38.880 Yeah. So a few final points here as to why we care that some people will still then be like,

00:53:43.120 well, why don't you care about those two to three points IQ difference? Well, when IQ in the developed

00:53:47.440 world is dropping by 0.2 points a year, see our idiocracy episode. And that means a standard

00:53:51.760 deviation decline in just 75 years, this stuff doesn't matter. It comes out in the wash. Like

00:53:57.120 general IQ scores are changing too quickly due to dysgenic selection for you to care about like 0.96

00:54:06.320 population level IQs. They just don't really matter. The second thing I would note here is when you

00:54:12.560 talk about areas, like I'm like, do some groups seem to systemically out-compete other groups due to

00:54:19.200 anything historically. Yes. I will notice some out-competing, but it doesn't happen as much along

00:54:25.120 ethnic lines as it seems to happen along groups on the border of civilized areas, uh, reliably

00:54:32.240 out-competing civilized areas. So basically, and there's a mechanism for this and we'll probably do

00:54:37.280 a different episode on it, but the longer an area has been civilized, there's some genetic exhaustion

00:54:42.640 there, bureaucracies and stuff like that. And you, you, or maybe the, the comfort and amenities of

00:54:48.720 that civilization starts to make people weak. Hey, that also could be what it is. Yeah. All right.

00:54:54.000 Love you, Simone. Love you too. That's what everyone knew. You brought the looks to this relationship.

00:55:00.480 You're so sweet to me. I really appreciate it. A lot of people on the, the comments, they're like,

00:55:05.120 no, look at like the one about, um, what women actually like, and like, why they cheat on guys. 0.54

00:55:10.640 Oh, okay. In the comments, people are freaking out because they're like, no, like if you look at

00:55:15.840 romance novel covers, you know, they have like big, strong, muscular men on them. And I'm like,

00:55:21.280 if you look at romance novel covers in cartoons, yes. No, no, no, no, no. If you, if you actually do,

00:55:28.400 I think this is, this is a worthwhile observation, but the, I think the important thing is that yes,

00:55:35.040 many romance novel covers have muscular men on their covers. Steve Su sent a screenshot just of

00:55:42.800 bestselling romance novels. But when you actually read the books, there's very little correlation.

00:55:48.320 So did you look at the screenshots that he sent? He interpreted them as having lots of muscular men

00:55:53.280 on them. It was maybe one in six of the books. They were more on the, on a, on a scale from Homer

00:55:59.120 Simpson to Chris Williamson. They were closer to Chris Williamson. Yeah, but they weren't,

00:56:04.800 they were not what people are thinking. They're thinking like Fabio. Oh yeah, no, no, no. They

00:56:10.240 weren't. Yeah. They weren't he-man. I wouldn't say they're, they're like Chris Williamson. They're

00:56:13.840 much closer to when they did have muscular men, much closer to Chris Pratt, which is a very-

00:56:19.120 Jurassic Park, Chris Pratt, not Parks and Rec. Right. But people don't look at Jurassic Park,

00:56:24.400 Chris Pratt and say, that is a man whose physique is dominated by his musculature.

00:56:29.680 Like you just don't, you, you don't look at him and think of first saying that's a, that's a

00:56:33.680 bodybuilder. You look at Chris Williamson, the first thing you think is that's a bodybuilder.

00:56:37.360 Yeah. Which is, which, and, and, and it's actually- I don't know. Like I, I just, yeah, I assume,

00:56:43.360 yeah, you don't think he goes to the gym. I don't think Chris Williamson comes across as a

00:56:46.960 bodybuilder, but he comes across- No, but hold on. Simone, what I was going to say is, is other than this,

00:56:51.120 just, if you go to Google and you type in like best-selling female romance novels of 2024.

00:56:57.920 Okay. I'm doing this right now. I'm going in. I'm going in girls. 2024, best-selling

00:57:05.520 romance novels. Female romance novels. Oh, well. Oh yeah. Because of all the male romance novels.

00:57:11.440 Okay. Romance novels. All right. I don't care. How many, how many buff guys do you see on the entire

00:57:15.840 page? You know, actually the funny thing is a lot of them are leading with women.

00:57:19.520 Yeah. No, no, no. Simone, I'm asking you a question. You're looking at about- Oh, and the

00:57:24.320 first one I'm seeing of a guy is actually a very effeminate looking guy. Yes. You're looking at

00:57:29.520 about 36 images now. Is there a single buff guy among them? Actually no. Okay. I asked you a

00:57:37.760 straightforward question. You are being manipulated by people who are misleading you. It is actually very

00:57:43.680 uncommon in the top female romance novels to have buff men. Something you might not know about the

00:57:49.280 current trend. Do you know when our generation, it was vampire boys. They were like the sexy boys.

00:57:53.680 Yeah. Do you know what it is for girls in this generation? Because I try to keep up with this.

00:57:56.400 Wait. Fairies. Fairy boys. But again, not buff men. No, no, no, no. Malcolm, you don't understand.

00:58:03.200 They're fairy boys who turn into giant wolves. Simone, I know when girls, remember I did the 1.00

00:58:10.640 Marvel comparison. I read the freaking book. Okay. Listen, Simone, the Marvel comparison. I'm like, 0.98

00:58:16.640 all of the guys in this and they choose Loki. So women go in to Lord of the Rings. Like your young 0.99

00:58:22.880 teenage girls go into Lord of the Rings filled with masculine buff warriors. Yeah. Who do all of 0.94

00:58:28.720 them come out with a crush on? Effing Legolas. No, well, no. Our sister-in-law was team Aragorn.

00:58:35.920 But yeah, my, all my friends in my, we're team, we're team Legolas. Of course, now everyone wants,

00:58:41.360 once they, they're hit, they hit all like mid thirties. They want Sam. Everyone wants Sam,

00:58:44.960 you know, start out wanting Legolas. But this is an important thing is that female sexuality 1.00

00:58:49.920 transforms as they get older and they want different things as they age. And this is actually really 0.93

00:58:55.840 important to note. The reason I explicitly said, look at the art of like the, the fan fiction art that

00:59:03.040 they draw of like the guys that they're dreaming about of teenage girls, you will never see buff

00:59:07.520 guys. It's always like lanky vampires. Now I'm on Amazon scrolling bestselling and the two,

00:59:15.440 most of them are illustrations. Most of them are evenly showing guys there. It seems to be just

00:59:20.640 as many images of women as the, at the forefront as there are as guys. But the two photos of guys shown

00:59:27.280 show men on the Chris Williams inside, not bodybuilders, but clearly hit the gym.

00:59:31.280 Yeah. But hold on. This is two pictures out of how many?

00:59:34.400 So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

00:59:40.080 So two out of 10. Two out of 10 is not common, Simone. Yeah.

00:59:45.520 Tried the same experiment on Amazon and I only found one single image of a buff guy.

00:59:51.360 And I noticed something that I should have asked Simone, but I didn't think to about her two out of

00:59:55.680 10. The one image of a buff guy was a sponsored image. None of the non-sponsored images had buff

01:00:03.280 guys in them.

01:00:04.960 You're trying to create an argument for something that's just not there. But the point I'm making,

01:00:08.240 and this is important for guys to note, is the ideal body type for women changes as they age. 0.98

01:00:12.960 When women first go through puberty to, I'd say really up until like the end of college and a bit 1.00

01:00:18.640 after they're in this stage where they really, for whatever reason, prefer extra feminine,

01:00:25.680 like Legolas type men. You see this in fan art. If you hang out on Tumblr communities,

01:00:30.800 you see this in really anywhere you're looking. They then go through a transition where for a period,

01:00:36.800 typically until they're like 30, they do begin to perform the more, I'd say, Chris Pratt body type.

01:00:43.600 Yeah.

01:00:44.560 And then after that, they prefer the Samwise Ganji personality because they completely move 0.99

01:00:49.600 away from caring about body type at all. And this is just not being recognized. And so all of these

01:00:55.200 guys are like, why, why aren't I finding good women? All of the women are terrible, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:01:00.320 Well, I think, you know, something else that might be discounted here, which we totally 0.98

01:01:04.080 don't discount with women is specifically that with men, we're also valuing youth. And when you

01:01:13.360 are an adolescent boy, you cannot kind of help, but be muscular and thin as you're going through

01:01:18.240 puberty, you know, you're just nothing but elbows and arms and, and, and boys as teenagers typically

01:01:23.600 are thin. Maybe it's that we're also selecting for youth and people are confusing youth with

01:01:28.720 attractiveness or conflating or equating select for youth in the same way that men do.

01:01:34.320 I know. It's just that I'm trying to think of like, you know, it seems that a common

01:01:38.320 characteristic among those who do seem to be pictured here is that they just look more like

01:01:43.120 teenagers and not like men. So I don't know, but we're not here to talk about this.

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Based Camp - August 22, 2024

The Myth of an Asian IQ Advantage： The Truth is Somehow More Offensive

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