Simone and Nux are joined by the creator of 4chan's most popular streamer, to discuss the rise of the nerd right, the tech right, and the new right, or whatever people want to call it.
00:00:21.060Because if you were to go to me five years ago, right?
00:00:25.100Even five years ago, I mean, imagine 10 years ago
00:00:27.080and you're like, okay, so who are like the right wing0.63
00:00:28.840thought leaders on the internet and it's like well the one we've got on now is a jewish vtuber
00:00:35.500who used to do hentai reviews and then we've got fox girls we've got like five fox girls and i'd
00:00:42.060be like are they furries i'd be like no they're not furries but they are fox girls and then we've0.75
00:00:46.700got like this slime girl it's very important that you know that she's a chimera slime then we've got0.83
00:00:52.020commie mommy yes simone am i not coming through no no just elf and slime girl like it's elf oh0.93
00:00:59.680yes you gotta get it right so call me mommy and the people would be like well she can't actually
00:01:02.620be like a socialist i know she's actually a socialist and she's well liked within our
00:01:07.000community and then it's like and then you got the top of the the pack and it's this guy who lives
00:01:11.300like a homeless guy and i say to myself i'd be like lives like a homeless guy how does he not
00:01:16.360have any money it's like oh no he has tremendous amounts of money tremendous amounts but it's so
00:01:21.780weird this sort of world and it's a path that is not like we we in the past have tried to trace it
00:01:31.040from like the early online atheist communities to like the anti-feminist communities then to like
00:01:37.780the anti-woke communities and then to the modern right and then it sort of like combined with parts
00:01:42.400of the red pill but you represent a different strand which comes out of the anime degen 4chan
00:01:49.720world which we also come from as well and i wanted to take this to sort of explore this journey you
00:01:55.980as one of the leading content creators who sort of lived it and how your mind changed in the
00:02:02.060various points you had major inflections yeah no it's it's definitely a weird a weird area on the0.87
00:02:09.600internet for sure i don't know for me it was for me it was like wow i like making fun of retards0.89
00:02:15.940and most of the retards are in politics we have to start doing that i mean that was that was kind0.96
00:02:21.500of the thought process among other things for sure i mean i have to say one of my biggest1.00
00:02:25.200inspirations was asan piker shocking his dog that was that was huge for me personally like
00:02:30.820i'm like this guy he's very well accepted in like the the streamer world you know the the pop
00:02:37.240culture and i'm like you know what i i want it to be as uncomfortable for radical leftists
00:02:41.700as for radical right-wingers and that's what i did i dedicated and now no one wants to collab
00:02:46.780with us on you know podcast and no one wants to touch him anymore you know they got obliterated
00:02:52.640for it you did a great job new i mean the jd vance was like oh yeah of course you know the
00:02:58.140dog shocking guy right like cinema it's amazing yeah i actually think i think okay no i think
00:03:06.360putting making the face of the left like you know dog shocking you know womanizing brothel
00:03:12.180enthusiast terrorist supporter that's like the face of the left and it's like you want to be on
00:03:15.960that side so yeah and i love that like on our side you have asmogold who literally i don't know any0.65
00:03:21.920other human who would do this doesn't kill a cockroach growing crawling on him picks it up
00:03:27.420who is that nice to a cockroach who is that pathologically nice and then leaves it outside0.99
00:03:33.160right and Hassan's shocking his dog but I think okay I think I think you're taking the the Asmongold0.98
00:03:39.480thing like uh like loves cockroaches supports like late-term abortions right that's that's
00:03:44.880you know it's you got a lot of interesting characters late-term abortion Asmongold he
00:03:50.620supports abortion a moment before birth he supports it really I did not know that we
00:03:54.880changed our views on abortion significantly recently there was a recent video on that
00:03:58.700really people should watch because it's the craziest video ever it starts with a gangbang
00:04:03.100where like people got together it starts with a yeah basically you know about ayla's birthday
00:04:07.660gangbang right who oh my god so ayla a very famous sex researcher for her birthday one year in like0.99
00:04:15.960in 2024 so a bit ago i think decided to have a gangbang for her birthday because that's how
00:04:21.420one celebrates in certain circles in the bay area with 42 men and one of her friends who helped to
00:04:26.040organizer organizer met her now future husband and a father of her child at this gangbang she1.00
00:04:32.860was a fluffer but she had this really terrible you called her a sexual researcher she is that1.00
00:04:39.980like a nice way to say more like i was trying to figure this out no so she she has probably1.00
00:04:45.460if you've ever seen those data sets of kinks and what they correlate to and like how they1.00
00:04:50.260cross correlate the trans community hates her because she always just says whatever she thinks1.00
00:04:54.020is true we're not promoting her lifestyle but anyway in between in between this party and her0.97
00:05:00.820friend getting married she had this horrible abortion experience that she wrote about that
00:05:04.780radicalized a lot of people like us because before i was like well up until they have neurons i'm
00:05:09.360okay with it and now i'm like no not even then yeah it's so one thing i i hear you guys discuss
00:05:16.380a lot like your philosophy i don't remember you have like a name for it it's like about having
00:05:21.340it's our techno puritanism our crazy religion okay all right can you describe it in a few
00:05:28.680sentences and then i'll i'll let you know my like if this is still part of the previous conversation
00:05:33.580yeah okay okay i'll i'll say it before we go on with this because one thread i want to pick up
00:05:38.900on what you said earlier and then i'll get into this really quickly is you were saying you liked
00:05:43.220making fun of retards on the internet and i think in reality this was what was the through line
00:05:49.880between these various communities if you go back to the very early days where you had the people0.54
00:05:55.060who are now like right-wing influencers who back then were like atheist influencers or whatever0.95
00:05:59.080right they just liked dunking on anyone they could see is stupid and then they started to feel like0.99
00:06:04.380the christians aren't as fun to dunk on as the feminists and then they started to be like0.99
00:06:07.800oh the wokies are the most fun to dump on or the tumblr people and it drove sort of this political0.96
00:06:13.240chain but as for us in our theological beliefs the quickest version is we think that the0.81
00:06:19.980we have a biblically literalist reading of the bible that is materialist and monist
00:06:25.320meaning that we we think that when the bible says in the distant future humans are going to be raised
00:06:31.720again that it's talking about like a super advanced entity in the distant future that is
00:06:37.220all benevolent because humanity keeps evolving a billion years from now and wants to give everybody
00:06:42.020who lived a virtuous life as long of a good life as possible so it resurrects him and we try to go
00:06:47.140through and we're literalist too like we try to take the the go through all the translations and
00:06:51.780show how it could mean this it's crazy i know i think we're succinctly it's it's an accelerationist
00:06:58.820tech forward descendant worship religion that is based on a literal interpretation of the bible
00:07:05.460interesting wow okay so i thought it was a lot more like materialist focused right like you know
00:07:13.440we want humanity to survive so therefore no no i obvious so i think that if you follow the bible
00:07:19.040it'll have the best outcome for your life anyway right so even if you were like the ultimate atheist
00:07:24.800you know utilitarian you should still follow the bible because it'll give you the best lifestyle
00:07:29.300regardless that's one of the things that we did a video recently when i was like being an adult
00:07:34.800is recognizing that sins are just like a list of things that will f up your life it's basically
00:07:40.480like god gave us a list of like you know don't don't cheat on your wife you know don't don't
00:07:46.140have gang bangs don't okay so you know i don't want to i don't want to correct you here anything
00:07:50.800i don't mean to correct there is no bible verse saying don't cheat on your wife okay no there
00:07:55.860isn't because in early Judaism you could have multiple wives and we talk about that you're
00:08:00.100absolutely right but i'm sure there's some line you could take to mean that but the point yeah
00:08:04.180Yeah, you know, don't be, don't be adulterous. I mean, I guess you could, you could read into that.
00:08:07.860Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I actually agree with you on this. We point, we have whole episodes on the, when monogamy became a norm in Judaism, but I don't want to, that's a, that's a tangent. But the point being is like, it's just a bunch of stuff that's going to make your life worse. And it, as an adult, as a kid, I always felt like, oh, sins are things that are tempting. Right. And it's like humanity was given a list of like, don't piss on the electric fence.
00:08:32.500and then immediately like a big portion of us just went immediately and pissed on the electric fence
00:08:37.040because i don't know we're not supposed to do it or something yeah i suppose but yeah no i i agree
00:08:44.260with that i actually think that morals come from there actually you know and and in regards to
00:08:49.600asmongold like i think asmongold's a really honest guy so when when i discuss the whole abortion thing
00:08:55.280why my view has never changed really on abortion is because it says thou shalt not murder in the
00:08:59.760Bible. All right. So regardless, if, if a fetus is a human life, then killing it is murder. So
00:09:05.240therefore it's bad, you know? And yeah. So you've always had these views like all the way back to
00:09:11.520your early days. So even in my early days, yeah, I had these views for sure. I definitely fleshed
00:09:17.340them out. My faith got a lot stronger, but you know, basic stuff like don't murder and don't
00:09:21.840steal are pretty consistent. I think. Well, no, it's, it's very interesting because what I'm
00:09:26.920realizing from this conversation is a big part of the online transition has been people not coming
00:09:33.520to views they didn't have historically but feeling comfortable talking about them exactly exactly
00:09:38.360actually the irony is that you were less at risk of being canceled talking about pure degeneracy
00:09:46.280like metamorphosis like this then saying you shouldn't have abortions 100 that that's the
00:09:52.880thing the entire online space it became super comfortable to hate god and it became super
00:09:58.360comfortable to follow you know if you look at like leftist policy it's like a checklist of what0.98
00:10:03.340satan would tell you to do you know you know abort your babies and groom children and castrate them
00:10:08.660and you know take money from people that earn it and give it to people that don't that's the list
00:10:13.500and look at the toll that it leaves on these people it's not like they're if you look at like
00:10:18.000gdc and you see the people screaming at the sky right like that's not a normal response like that
00:10:23.780is somebody who's had everything good taken from them in their life and it's okay but really define
00:10:28.260normal define normal your your barometer only operates because you have a belief system
00:10:33.840see i define normal and morality based on god all right but but if you view things as well i just
00:10:40.640want a good outcome for the most people what does that even mean what is good in that case
00:10:45.160yeah well i mean i think the the the morality thing that you're talking about here is is
00:10:50.160interesting because by the definitions of society right now you and us are weird because we don't
00:10:55.320follow the the normative cultural ethical set which seems to be highly deleterious to people
00:11:00.900living like fulfilling lives i i agree with you i i think that if you ask your average like liberal
00:11:07.100enlightened liberal what what morality is it's just basically if there's consenting adults it's
00:11:12.120fine. That's their only tenet, basically, because they don't want bad things to happen to themselves.
00:11:17.300It's selfish inherently. They want to be able to live whatever debaucherous lifestyle they could
00:11:21.720come up with, and they don't want anyone to step on them. So therefore, their belief system based
00:11:26.840on this preference is, oh, if everyone consents, it's fine. Well, I think I really like that you're
00:11:32.260drawing attention to this because you can see from this view of consent being the core of morality,
00:11:36.900where we keep seeing leftists get in hot water ideologically one of the episodes we have we go
00:11:43.000over communist regimes and how many of them tried to lower the age of consent to like super low
00:11:47.620ages like 11 or 12 or something like that and some socialist parties did and and the reason is
00:11:53.840is because in reality the reason we don't sleep with children isn't about consent like we allow0.92
00:12:00.260mentally disabled people to have sex we allow elderly people to have sex if you're talking0.98
00:12:05.720about a 15 year old or something like that they have a mental intelligence that's higher than a0.99
00:12:11.48090 year old nobody has a problem when a 90 year old has a sex it's not about consent it's about
00:12:15.940what it does to that person and the effects it has on their life right and i think that we see
00:12:21.520the famous chuck clip where he's like i don't see anything wrong with having sex with an animal
00:12:26.060if you were like the one and have you seen this clip i love that clip you're you mean to tell me0.99
00:12:32.840that the inbred islamist thinks that you can have sex with animals weird yeah funny coincidence no0.99
00:12:38.360you don't have sex with animals because of the negative effects that has on your life and like1.00
00:12:42.060the diseases and all of the other negative but you know what you you bring us to a fantastic
00:12:47.700point because if you forget god for a second try to explain to me under a liberal worldview why you0.50
00:12:53.560should not have sex with an animal you there isn't a good explanation that's what these people are
00:12:59.240realizing oh because they can't consent is that it no obviously not because you can eat meat you
00:13:03.600could literally kill it and eat it yeah but then consent is not the issue like no they
00:13:08.820torture baby's house and even if they're not even if they didn't eat dairy it's irrelevant if it's0.99
00:13:17.680all consent based then what's wrong with having sex with a corpse it's dead it can't consent what's0.81
00:13:22.800a difference that's a good point that is a good point there's no reason it's a progressive
00:13:27.360is it illegal to have sex i don't think so but why why not like there's no consent required
00:13:36.860okay why is incest immoral according to the leftist worldview why is it immoral to have0.96
00:13:41.080you consent and you're silly true i hadn't thought about all of the things this breaks but it breaks
00:13:47.200Yeah, but it is. I think it's because it's rural coded and rural coded is conservative coded. And if it's conservative, it's bad. So incest has to be bad.0.97
00:13:57.500Okay, to be fair, incest happens mostly in like Muslim countries, which is left wing at this point. So like, I don't know, right? No, no, no, like in the leftist mind, no one thinks about the life of someone in a Muslim or Islamic country. They only think in terms of the United States. And then if someone is Muslim or other, they're just good. They're just good.0.87
00:14:17.200trust me i forgot about that so like like i don't know who they are they're better than i am their
00:14:21.200culture is enlightened mine is bad and my extra bad people are the hicks in the countryside who
00:14:27.440screw their cousins so you know but but the point i'm making though is from their logical standpoint
00:14:32.700that as long as everyone consents it's fine there is nothing wrong with this absolutely yeah and0.99
00:14:37.800that's and that's the degradation of every value and look i think that it's bad to have sex with0.97
00:14:42.700your sibling because it says in the bible not to have sex with your sibling god said it actually0.89
00:14:46.960the pretty simple the one thing I found pretty interesting that Simone said there is how
00:14:52.140leftists are not allowed to look at the reality of what it's like in many of these countries
00:14:57.080and I think we see an embodiment of that was Greta Thornburg when she wouldn't watch the
00:15:01.360photo the video that like literally Hamas video yeah just like I don't want to see reality because0.79
00:15:09.380that interferes with the fantasy that I'm living in that was what I completely agree if I think0.97
00:15:16.380okay so i mean there's a bible verse right torah emet in hebrew right that uh the torah is truth
00:15:23.280and or the bible the torah is the old testament so essentially my my perspective is if you are
00:15:30.120going to continue going on your like anti-god path you are going to consistently have an issue
00:15:35.780with truth reality is a major issue if you're a leftist you know men could be women and words
00:15:40.760don't actually mean anything and and islamic countries are really actually based and good
00:15:45.060to gay people and you know and you don't even need to live in reality at this point yeah because
00:15:50.800reality is bigoted so when did you first feel comfortable like explain was there a moment when
00:15:56.340you first felt comfortable saying this stuff or like voicing this so i i feel like i've always
00:16:02.680tried to be honest i've just decided on things that i'd rather not get into because you know why
00:16:07.360like if i'm making anime videos i'm not going to start talking about abortion you know like
00:16:11.920Like, why divide my audience in half by, you know, talking about something that's completely irrelevant to whatever content I'm making is.
00:16:19.660But as time went on, I started talking about, like, internet drama.
00:16:23.060And Hassan Piker, you know, advocates for me to get killed by Hamas terrorists because he says I'm an Israeli Nazi, even though not.
00:16:30.520But anyway, so as time went on, now that I'm talking about politics and things, I feel a lot more comfortable saying the things.
00:16:37.380I've been backstabbed by enough people that I don't really care if you disagree with me.
00:16:41.160that's your american god-given right you know so you were gonna like how much of it was the people
00:16:48.900attacking you for saying things that you thought was reasonable that radicalized you to want to
00:16:53.520say more of that stuff to be honest it's not that they attack me that makes me want to say it it's
00:16:58.860that it's considered inappropriate to say like it is super inappropriate in public in american
00:17:04.860like probably not in like houses and closed doors because everyone would like a lot of people would
00:17:10.240agree with this but if i say that gay sex is degenerate that is considered like a super taboo0.96
00:17:15.540in american that is very true yeah right because it's too consenting adults so what's the problem0.96
00:17:21.960right that's the that's the through line but but so i don't really care if people come after me
00:17:26.300for my opinions it's not acceptable to say yeah oh that is that is really fascinating i mean it's
00:17:34.600very different from us we sort of got radicalized by the left or or radicalized by your channel but
00:17:39.960like it was like us originally going viral over just being like hey birth rates are low
00:17:45.660and then people freaked out about that and they're like well you must be a racist
00:17:49.480yeah yeah because you can't live in reality the thing that changed me the most was like the first
00:17:58.700time i started hanging out in right-wing spaces or going to right-wing conferences and i went and
00:18:02.840i was you know we're you know you're you're not i don't think you've done like a big face reveal
00:18:07.540So you don't get noticed at conferences and stuff like that, but like going to conferences, having beliefs that I know are really outside of a lot of mainstream conservative norms.
00:18:17.020And I was afraid that I would be sort of grilled on them or made to feel like I wasn't welcome or made to feel like an outsider.
00:18:26.660and instead i have felt the exact opposite where when we were in leftist spaces and we even did
00:18:32.800like leftist campaigning politics everything like that it was a constant litmus test and i don't
00:18:38.720think people on the right realize how much our side benefits from being nice to people who did
00:18:44.960things in the past that they regret now or are in the process of changing and still being accepting
00:18:50.820of them do you know my opinion on why that happens among right-wing people but not left-wing people
00:18:56.840yeah give me your opinion that's because i think repentance is inherently a biblical trait and
00:19:04.800forgiveness and repentance only exists if you could believe in god and if you are on the other
00:19:10.080side where it's all about you know we're all just a whole a clump of atoms that are whizzing through
00:19:15.260a point a purposeless space then why ever repent why ever do better why would i assume that you
00:19:21.840regret your mistakes and become a better person i wouldn't so much easier to just throw you in the
00:19:27.740box whereas on the other side which and more right-wing politics obviously it's not not nearly
00:19:33.820conservative enough not man i wish trump was the guy that left thought he was you know yeah right
00:19:38.940actually this is an interesting point in terms of making the lived sort of right-wing parties
00:19:44.780more conservative one of the things that i think a lot of people will in our wider faction are
00:19:48.960annoyed with is in uk you know how progressive even parties like reform or the 80 or afdr in
00:19:55.300germany or you know maga in the united states and how do you realistically shift the overton window
00:20:02.140of what's normal like what's what's your status so i so ultimately every all change takes time
00:20:08.760like every time i see like the the acceleration is speaking like oh we have to vote for leftist
00:20:13.040So they could rape our country and then, and then we'll swing the other way.
00:20:16.100It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.0.94