The NYC Subway： How Society's Spirit was Broken
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Summary
In this episode, we will be contrasting two recent events which highlight the callous indifference and utter disregard for everything that is good and decent that our society is built upon. In this episode we will compare the incidents of a man accidentally killing a woman on a subway train and a woman being lit on fire on a train, and the lack of immediate intervention from bystanders.
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hello simone i am excited to be here with you today today we are going to be contrasting
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two recent events which i think do a good job of illustrating the degradation of our society
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and where we are at as a society right now specifically the instance of daniel penny
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when he attempted to restrain somebody he saw as a danger on a subway train ended up
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accidentally killing them and then had his life at risk as a result of this but was recently freed
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thankfully and then the other instance in which a person lit a woman on fire on a train multiple
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people took video of this video wait people recorded this happening but they didn't extinguish
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her women's burning to death stop didn't try to save her flipped out their phones a police officer
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a police officer walked by did nothing no one is facing any consequences for this and how do you
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find with respect to the charge of criminal indifference we find the defendants guilty
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your callous indifference and utter disregard for everything that is good and decent has rocked the
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very foundation upon which our society is built so this isn't just that they didn't apprehend the
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the immolator they also didn't stop the immolation what on earth you you in our society right now if you
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interfere if you try to help if you try to do anything you will be punished for it it's what is
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being taught to people that is what is in the in the center of urban monoculture that is manhattan
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that is what the urban monoculture says don't try you compared it to the marshmallow study and
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a lot of people like that comparison i'll compare it to learned helplessness okay right so for people
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who aren't familiar with learned helplessness there was this experiment the psychological experiment done
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was mice and rats where if you put a mouse or rat in like a bowl of let's say water right and there's
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nothing in there and and they they learn that they're not going to find any sort of an edge to this bowl
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of water right and then you put another set of them in a bowl of water that has like a little platform
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underneath it and part of it so eventually they can find something to stand on to save themselves
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yeah the ones that were in the water that didn't have this platform they'll give up really quickly
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when you put them in water and just drown whereas the ones with the platform will keep trying for a
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very long period of time and this is learned helplessness so they'll like jump from the platform
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to the edge of the bowl again to try to get out or they'll just no what i'm saying is that if the
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previous times they were put in the bowl and there was a platform somewhere in the bowl okay even when the
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platform isn't there they keep trying oh because society needs to convince us to stop trying yeah
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we have to have a reason to believe that there's a way out but anyway uh i want to go over these
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instances and talk more about how deeply disturbing that this is where we are as a society that you
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potentially are punished by having your life taken away from you by trying to save other people
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but you can sit there and film somebody burning to death i would no risk to you just doing nothing
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and the internet doesn't even care to vilify you doesn't even care to dox you nobody cares because
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that's expected behavior yikes so debrina kawam a 61 year old woman from toms river new jersey was the
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victim of this horrific attack she was believed to be homeless and was sleeping on a stationary f train
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at the coney island stillwell avenue station in brooklyn when the incident occurred the attack in
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december 22nd 2024 around 7 30 sebastian zabedo calli a 33 year old man allegedly approached the
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sleeping kawam and set her on fire using a lighter the attack was seemingly unprovoked and the suspect and
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victim were believed to be strangers and are believed to be strangers he basically did it for
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fun because he was drunk it later came out now i will also note here that this individual who did
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this had been kicked out of the united states as an illegal immigrant under trump and had come back
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into the united states under biden's oh no oh oh oh horrifying this is this is this is what happens when
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you allow for loose borders so yeah of course borders not not a great idea bystanders in police response
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the incident has sparked outrage due to the apparent lack of immediate intervention from bystanders and
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police officer present at the scene bystanders video footage shows at least three bystanders
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looking on as the victim was engulfed in flames some individuals were seen filming the incident rather
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than offering help a police officer nypd officer was seen on video walking past the burning woman
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raising his hands as if unsure how to respond this has led to criticism and questions of
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proper emergency response protocols of also basic humanity
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jeez the suspect and by the way people who don't know people have been like oh it looks like she was
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on drugs or something from what we have seen this is not the case she was just asleep and what is
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going to happen if you wake up engulfed in flames like you're you're going to be confused so obviously
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she's confused if you woke up in the middle of the night involved in flames you would be confused as
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well so it appears that he just lit someone on fire so who was asleep okay so the suspect he is an
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undocumented immigrant from guatemala who had previously been deported in 2018 but re-entered
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the united states illegally he was arrested hours after the attack when a group of high school students
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recognized him on another train and alerted authorities he reportedly claimed to have been
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drunk and unable to remember setting the woman on fire despite identifying himself in the photos
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and the surveillance video of the incident wow so this is somebody who was known as dangerous who had
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been deported and the left is just like let them in not demonize they're like you can't demonize
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immigrants over this but an immigrant did do it and an immigrant that we knew to deport did do this
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not a great look but also the the there were at least three people just sitting there watching
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flipping out their phones as this happened if you have time to film someone being lit on fire you have
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time to find some kind of blanket or material to throw over them to extinguish the fire yeah that's what's
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so sobering they're also around any station typically break glass to get water hose out
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yes there should have been fire hoses all over the place it would have required a trivial amount of
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work to find a fire hose not a fire hose but a fire extinguisher in a new york subway station yeah
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nobody got up nobody even looked nobody even tried i'm so confused by this anyone try well there might
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have been a chilling effect from something that happened a year before this is the daniel pinney
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case the daniel pinney case involved a fatal incident that occurred on the new york subway station
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on may 2023 according to witness accounts jordan mealy boarded the f train and began to shout that he
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was hungry thirsty and needed a job repeatedly screamed that he was quote-unquote ready to die
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and not afraid of going to prison he removed his jacket and threw it on the floor some witnesses
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reported that he was throwing trash at their passengers and approaching people so he was
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throwing things at people and making quote-unquote half lunge movements and came within half a foot
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of some people according to passengers oh gosh he had a extensively troubled past he had an extensive
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criminal record including 42 prior arrests how do you have 42 prior arrests there should be like a 10
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arrest women in jail for the record listen i mean we've had other episodes where we talk about this
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that like a very very small percentage of the population commits a sobering percentage you know
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like yeah it's something like like 300 people in new york are responsible for like 20 of all the crimes
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like yeah yeah because they just keep letting them go yeah and i guess you know jordan neely seems to
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have been one of those individuals yeah now these charges incurred larceny theft and assault and so
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it's like oh assault they seem to bury that one in a lot of the newspapers so it's like what are these
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unprovoked assault cases okay oh had a 2001 assault in which he attacked a 67 year old woman she suffered a
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broken nose a fractured orbital bone bruising and swelling at the back of her head there was a 2019
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assault in which he attacked a few different people in june how how did he even attack multiple people
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in the same year on the subway you should not be out of jail within a year if you were attacking people
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on the subway he attacked filmen castillo bazar a 68 year old man seems to really love attacking old
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people on the and the victim reported he was punched in the face without provocation and then
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in another instance he broke a victim's nose that year and then he felt guilty to another misdemeanor
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assault in another instance oh and he also exposed himself to a female stranger on the subway so you
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know likely to commit sexual assault and stuff like that and then if you look at the public like what
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did they hear they're like oh poor michael jackson impersonator who had had mental health
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problems linked to the trauma of his mother's death when he was 14. it's like that was decades ago
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what are you on about how did that excuse his current actions when
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no how could this happen where did society go wrong how could the system fail this poor man
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if only he'd had a better school do you want some hot cocoa huh the cause of injury seems to be
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socioeconomics most likely an underfunded library that's it
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what are you on about how could the system fail this poor man you shot this beautiful man for no reason
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she's evil incarnate he was stabbing murderer murderer he was expressing himself nothing i think we're
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allowed to to have conversations about providing better resources and mental health support or whatever to
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young people and to people in need but also to not excuse this behavior like there's you can have
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both you can be empathetic and you can take care of people and you can also make sure that people are not
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putting more people at risk i mean what new trauma is being caused by this person who's out just like at
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large hurting other people oh no you you nearly beat an old woman to death let's see if you should be
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tried oh no it appears your mother died you're yeah everyone's fucking mother what are you how is
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this even a traumatic event right it appears your mother died okay well we're not gonna you know and
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there's this skip from freedom tunes i think goes over this very well which is to say that we as a society
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almost pathologically are unable to see people who are in hard spots in life or in a worse situation
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than someone else in life as the perpetrator of a crime this is the entire mindset of the left whether
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it's in how they view hamas and israel whether it's how they view this instance whether it's how they view
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any instance if somebody is in a worse situation than somebody else they cannot be victimizing the
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other individual this is how you get instances where people are you know chasing down jewish kids on campus
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and they're trying to barricade themselves in libraries and stuff like that the the level of
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insanity within this mindset cannot be overstated but the downstream psychological effects on society
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also can't be overstated i'd love it if you could talk a bit to this well this also shows a a very
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disturbing lack of intellectual depth that you can have you know a truly victimized and hurting population
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and that that same victimized and hurting population are in turn hurting a lot of other
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people like these two things can exist together and we if we cannot have conversations about these
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complex things if we are only capable of reducing things to this is the victim that we have to protect
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and this is the evil aggressor and this is the hero if we can only speak in these really simplistic ways
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we will never be able to address the world's wicked problems and i'm not even saying solve because
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some wicked problems are impossible to solve in a single generation but we cannot even begin to
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ameliorate their their their problems we're only exacerbating them or reducing them to this level
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so it's it's it a lot of this stems from this incapability of us to have nuanced conversations
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that i think people used to have more in the past well i mean i think that there's a few things to
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note here and it's a few different camps of like psychological tricks that they're pulling on you one is
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is that good actions actions that are for the net good of society and humanity sometimes hurt the
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dispossessed yes people who have less whether it's less mental capacity or uh genetic propensity towards
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you know impulsive behavior that can lead to a degree of criminal actions but like this individual was
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clearly somebody who is both mentally struggling financially struggling in an ethnically you know
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unfavorable position i guess in regards to society your people could argue that who needed to be in
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a facility his entire life or in some other way removed as a player from public life much much earlier
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than happened to him it was clear that he was an ever-present danger to everyone around him and the
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individual who restricted this person based on his past behavior given that he gave a 68 year old woman
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like a fracture in the back of her skull like he was going to kill someone eventually this individual
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saved a life almost certainly uh this reminds me a lot of the park slope man who killed the dog
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where there are just these very dangerous people who have frequent records of assaults or
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putting people making people visibly uncomfortable being jailed multiple times threatening people
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regularly and lurking around and there's just this kind of this collective understanding that
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well you know until they murder someone we we can't really do anything yes let's not wait till somebody
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is a murderer to put them away i think it's very frustrating too for people like policemen who
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i mean okay so you mentioned that the policeman who walks by in this footage of the woman being
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set on fire throwing up his hands i i feel like that's symbolic of a lot of people
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is he's been taught not to well yeah it's like what do i feel like great what am i supposed to do
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now right like you know once again i'm i am going to be demonized for not doing anything but if i do
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do something i'm going to get in a lot of trouble or i'm going to have no he could have looked for a
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fire extinguisher this yeah these people can look this this incident showed that what he understood and
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what the other passengers understood is there are no societal consequences for not helping that's true
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that's true like the one thing that you're allowed to do is nothing take out your phone and film it
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taking out your phone and filming yeah yeah there's that but oh that's so bad because the society that
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thrives is the one that says if you see a mess no matter who made it you clean it up if you see
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something broken no matter who broke it you fix it like that is the society that thrives and that's
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that's what we always try to we've always tried to make this a culture of any company that we've
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been associated with or run you know if you see a problem it's your responsibility how much you
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struggled in the early days of acquiring our company explaining to people it doesn't matter
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if you created the problem if you spot it fix it it doesn't matter if you spilled the milk
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you know and this is something that growing up culturally was taught to both of us it doesn't
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matter who created the problem all problems are your responsibility and you're the only one willing
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to do anything about it yeah so many people have asked us that like why are you trying to solve
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this problem in society why are you trying to solve this problem that's something i'm like
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no one else is doing it yeah yeah that's why now like now the whole thing is i don't know i feel
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you remember with the dc metro if you see something say something yeah i think the london and the london
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underground also has those messages now it's just talk about it and i think that's the same thing
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that's happening with the way that we're raising children it's if you see something say something
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appeal to authority complain talk about it but don't take it into your own hands don't
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fight back don't punch back don't don't build new rules you know just appeal to authority you know
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upload it to social media record it submit a complaint talk to the manager you know like
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we're being turned collectively into at best karens at worst like faceless npcs i mean like this is
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this is a scenario in which being a karen is almost a point of pride because at least they're doing
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something you know like what on earth how has it come to this this is so bad well how has it come
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to this is how it comes to this this is how it comes to this is is people like daniel penny that
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anyone and that the media the legacy media they acted like he was a villain they're like white person
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kills black person black person protected class he's a villain they didn't consider this guy's past
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actions well i mean and we saw this again you know you you keep seeing this like there's a thing
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right you know like obviously this person was a villain right like he he would have hurt somebody
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eventually and yet police officer bad guy there's no nuance here and but all of society has been
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trained on this if white person kills black person it's very much like the old lynch bombs oh you you
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convince you random black person even if it was in self-defense killed white person oh random black
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person even if it was consensual slept was white person you know time to get the lynch mob ready
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and this is what happens when you build racial hierarchies and why racial hierarchies are evil
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and and i cannot i mean daniel penny was just a lynch mob it was just a traditional lynch mob did you
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think if that if jordan neely was white do you think that this would have played out this way nothing
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totally different if jordan neely was white me like everything is exactly the same even the michael
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jackson personality like all that nobody would have given a flying yeah yeah and you know it you know it's
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true no one would have cared well or or maybe daniel penny would have been seen as a hero no but no but
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no if it let's just switch the races if if jordan neely was jordan neely was white and daniel
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daniel was black he would have been a hero by mainstream media standards i don't know
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oh come on have you heard of a single incident no and i mean a single incident in media in which
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a black person killed a white person and was by mainstream media painted as a bad guy in the last
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five years i almost feel like now okay what is my subconscious saying to me right now it's saying
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that homeless crazy and dispossessed people are kind of this new untouchable like i'm talking about
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the indian caste in the united states but in this really weird way like that they're untouchable
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both because they disgust us but also because in some way they're like this
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protected class that will poison us through reputational damage if we have any association
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with them whatsoever and therefore like people aren't going to make you a hero for stopping
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them from doing bad things they also aren't really going to make you a hero for working really closely
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with them because i think you're wrong about this i have i have regularly seen progressives brag about
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talking hanging out with homeless people engaging with homeless people i you know the last time
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that i came across someone who proudly and openly did work with homeless people and this was actually
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really cool work what he did was work with homeless people to re-establish ties with their actual
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original communities and support networks yeah so like hey well let's reconnect you with your parents
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with your brother with your whatever like sort of like because they just lost touch with a lot of their
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basically true family and larger kin support networks and by re-establishing those ties they were able
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to get these people jobs again homes again like back on their feet and this is one of the more
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consistent and and and proven ways to oh it actually helped people let me get you with a conservative
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i don't remember i i didn't like note that in my notes with when when i spoke with him but that is
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actually i think a really interesting thing is that you know in the end the thing that could save us all
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is returning to community returning to kinship networks that's who's i mean the police aren't going to do
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that the the urban monoculture specifically works to break up kinship networks through like trauma
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ideas but here was this guy trying to do what he could to to do it but i would say again that was
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that was that was i think 2019 when i met him actually that's the last time i heard of someone
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proudly and openly working with homeless people after that point i have not encountered on social
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media or elsewhere a single person i'm obviously they're out there yeah they do not talk about it as
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much as they used to they used to talk about like socializing with them as like a point of pride
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yeah and remember my startup that i worked at when i first started dating yeah i think in 2019 but
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again and that's that's what i'm saying in 2020 when when all of this really reached a flashpoint
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with with the the the riots and like a lot of cases of people either on the edge of homelessness or
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sort of being in this class of kind of like because a lot of homeless people are homeless because they're
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mentally unstable and kind of dangerous i do think that there was both this like sacred
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and untouchable class placed on people in this category that made them
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toxic in the media and too many people well this would be my thoughts on this i i think that the
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the way that we deal with this as a society and i just generally think that this is what we should
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be doing is one we need to develop something that is like the prison system but lower cost to
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operate for individuals who are less of a risk yeah what you're talking about is is is poor houses
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like there were in the time of dickens no not like poor houses abuses that took place in those also
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something maybe in between a poor house and an asylum a lot of these people just have mental health
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issues yeah and they're like democrats a lot of people know this but they shut down all the asylums
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after the book one flew over the cuckoo's desk got popular yeah and then they're like we're gonna
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create like an alternative to this and they never created they never got around to it and that's
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where most of the most of the uh homeless population today comes from but if you what we need to do is
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we need to create a new type of thing that's cheaper to run than a prison because it doesn't require the
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same amount of guarding or anything like that and what i would doesn't require the same amount of
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guarding what no not a poor house a a literal guarded facility this is for anyone who is homeless
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who commits an assault if they are but i am okay with homeless people existing in this world
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but i think a different set of rules needs to apply to them if they are assaulting random people well
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and or maybe shoplifting too like basically if if they're if they are yeah if they're undermining social
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i feel like oh my god that creates a two-tiered society for the home havers and the homeless and
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i'm like whatever fine it would fix a lot of our problems really quickly both for these individuals
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like do you really want these individuals to keep staying out there until they murder someone or are
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murdered imagine because you're thinking about this from the perspective the woman who was burned to
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death was also homeless imagine the women who have to live every fear of being
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not of being graped by one of these men because we keep letting them out after they have assaulted
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and exposed themselves to multiple women and everyone knows that no one's going to do themselves
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do do anything if one of these homeless women goes to these people there there is a reason even
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for the protection of the homeless community to be much more draconian in the way we apply rules
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to the community well yeah in fact a lot of a lot of people who are homeless do not go to homeless shelters
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because they're so afraid of things being stolen from them they're so afraid of assaults yeah
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i think if we recontextualize the way that we handle this community i mean we come up with different
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types of institutions to house them that are not as costly to run as prisons that don't have the
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oversight of prisons but also help because you've got to there's a number of people like this guy who
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just like randomly assault people right like there's a reason you can't hire someone who randomly
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assaults people okay they're the reason you can't hire someone who lunges a few inches from somebody's
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face or randomly hits old ladies like that's not normal human behavior and yet a portion of the
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human population is going to betray this behavior because there's going to be a portion of humanity
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that is outside this like normal human boundary well what do you do with them right like what do you
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do with them and and at a certain point you need to say they're like well they should go to a
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a homeless shelter but what do they don't want to now you've got a random assault maniac on the
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subway right like yeah you we need to have society that has consequences for allowing yourself to
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become this type of person and some of these people maybe they they wouldn't have allowed
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themselves to descend to this level if they had known that society had consequences in store for
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them but because we live in a society that doesn't we allow for this to proliferate and women get lit
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on fire like the women in this community you could not imagine how much like it is it is horrifying to
00:26:41.440
me the degree to which people don't care when the violence is intercommunity when they are acting
00:26:47.440
violent outside of this community they are doing it within the community tenfold yeah i mean you know
00:26:54.560
you notice that none of these reports came from him beating up a homeless person because nobody
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cared about those people how many did he maybe you know you don't know because nobody cares
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so this makes life safer even for the home so what do you think of my my my policy uh that
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bring back asylums for individuals that specifically and and it has to be demonstrable
00:27:23.200
demonstrable theft or assault for demonstrable theft or assault i would put it a higher level
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of proof so like you can't just have like a police officer claim it or something like that it needs to
00:27:32.560
be like really really obvious but when you have demonstrable theft or assault a higher level of
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proof than just reasonable doubt beyond reasonable doubt that the the person just has to live in one of
00:27:42.640
these facilities until they can qualify for exit and that they qualify for exit by not assaulting
00:27:47.760
people for a long period of time in the facility or acting better so it wouldn't act like a normal
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prison where you're there for like x sentence you're there until it appears you're no longer
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what do you is this too spicy or no it's not too spicy i just yeah i'm i'm thinking about the fact that
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you know all these people were once kids um and i wish that they had better outcomes in life like
00:28:17.280
people deserve so much better and it makes me sad it makes me really sad that bad things happen to
00:28:21.920
people well i really want good things to happen to people if you're talking about the types of things
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that can happen at these facilities i do remind you that of adoption the one percent of children who were
00:28:31.840
adopted but from people who parents who had i think it's felonies on their their uh resumes yeah
00:28:40.720
committed 33 of the crimes of all adoptees well this is again like people you know talking about
00:28:45.920
demographic collapse who are like let's just ban birth control let's just ban like no no we we don't
00:28:53.840
no we don't need unwanted children we don't need people who do not have their lives together and who are
00:28:59.760
not you know resourced enough to raise kids well and take care of them and love them to have kids
00:29:04.880
are you insane oh let's just ban condoms no shut up stop go eat a can of tuna and just cheer up
00:29:16.960
i don't know i don't know what to say go eat a can of tuna yeah sorry i was watching this long
00:29:24.400
one of your pinterest videos that you have on while you talk to me
00:29:27.440
no no no no no i don't watch videos while you know no no no i i was watching before we recorded
00:29:34.160
this podcast this long like biography video on youtube about rfk and he apparently ate a lot of
00:29:40.880
tuna i think that people can't conceptualize when you mention something like the woman burnt alive
00:29:48.320
they can't conceptualize the pain or the cruelty that's involved in this and the guy's like i was
00:29:53.040
drunk i don't know you know whatever like we do not like we we just need to have a better
00:30:00.000
understanding that sometimes a person can be dispossessed and a danger to society yeah
00:30:05.760
and we are just like unable to accept it yeah that well and that you can be a victim and that you can
00:30:12.880
have been wronged by society and that you can deserve better but also that you can be capable of doing
00:30:19.360
terrible things and you should be removed from mainstream society because you're a danger to other
00:30:22.640
people like all those things can be true all those things can be true we can do better we can do so
00:30:28.080
much better and there needs to be better systems and also like those people should not be on the
00:30:32.640
streets hurting other people yeah i i agree i agree well i mean we we got to go full el salvador here
00:30:39.440
hey if you look at how well this country is doing right now yeah that is what an exceptional person
00:30:46.400
by the way to have have pulled through everything he pulled through dismantling the gangs moving to
00:30:51.840
bitcoin he's so further thinking i i really yeah yeah yeah what a like visionary i need to read more
00:30:58.400
about what's going on there and how it's how it's playing out that's wild there's yeah i mean i think
00:31:02.960
that that at least el salvador shows that there is there's hope for disruption in any system and that
00:31:10.080
things can change really quickly so there's that i mean that that's something that's really notable
00:31:14.560
because you know you see uh god i just saw a stat the other day that like gang employment or crime is
00:31:22.320
like the the fifth largest employer in mexico right now like you see mexico and you're like oh gosh like
00:31:28.960
they're just gone forever like guess i'm just gonna write off mexico now but no because el salvador
00:31:35.200
was able to pull off a huge change it was able to crack down like countries can turn around and
00:31:41.200
that's really encouraging so i i and you know for people who don't know my take on mexico like what's
00:31:48.000
your take on mexico well peter zyhan hates hates this particular take he's like you cannot occupy mexico
00:31:54.640
it's it's it's too big there's i'm like no you can occupy mexico i don't know it is really sprawling i
00:32:00.160
don't know what you're talking about here are you serious are you gonna Mexico's a mess i think
00:32:06.000
that what we should focus on is occupying mexico and building a stronger border at the southern tip
00:32:11.200
of mexico because it's a much much smaller border to occupy a chokehold okay and it allows you to
00:32:18.160
stomp out the gangs as long as the gangs grow and fester in mexico they spill over into the united
00:32:23.600
states no matter what like it's it's it's i mean the mexican gangs coming into the united states are
00:32:28.320
horrifying that we have allowed what are you saying like oh wait so occupy mexico like in vain
00:32:34.240
like take over or just what i think that mexico we need to find a way to partner with somebody who
00:32:41.920
ends up becoming president of mexico okay to so install a false but very collaborative leader in
00:32:47.680
mexico and not a false i think that the mexican people can understand the benefit of america developing
00:32:54.560
a mutually beneficial relationship in which the country is under a u.s military okay okay okay so
00:33:01.520
okay here's how it would go rogue u.s non-profit or like a dark money operation does a a kind of like
00:33:10.000
an aoc style you've got america's got talent you don't even need to do that look the problem with mexico
00:33:17.040
right now is a figure who is opposed to the gangs and could win the presidency could arise yeah but
00:33:24.000
he'd be assassinated yeah okay so so my my whole my what i'm saying though is like okay one like
00:33:31.520
run a talent competition for that figure two like extremely like basically remove them from mexico and
00:33:38.720
make them completely inaccessible like put them in a like no then they would win you just give them
00:33:43.840
protection look okay give them heavy protection three like uh run them for president and have
00:33:49.760
them like reconnected what you're talking about that's the problem that would make them inauthentic
00:33:54.160
you just need to wait until somebody is rising in popularity oh and then it's the profile of this
00:34:00.000
and then offer them protection okay even if it's covert and then eventually work to integrate mexico into
00:34:08.400
our security system because right now people are like oh it would cost so much to handle the gangs
00:34:15.040
in mexico if mexico was a stable country that would do so much for america yeah like for america there would
00:34:21.280
be an roi in like putting us armed personnel there if we had a collaborative mexican president you're saying
00:34:32.080
like if yes there would yes if you could stabilize the safety that's the core reason it's still
00:34:38.320
cheap to manufacture mexico in fact the core downside of this is that mexico would increase in value so
00:34:43.440
much the the goods made there the labor there would increase really quickly the only reason it's
00:34:47.360
artificially low now is because of the gangs like mexico should not be as poor of a country as it is it
00:34:52.400
makes no sense that mexico is as poor as it is yeah it should be a a like if you look at like china
00:34:58.400
like why is it cheaper to manufacture things in mexico than china it's just a game oh man yeah
00:35:05.040
yeah okay that's a that's an underrated opportunity no one's talking about that
00:35:09.680
well and the other thing that people don't talk about is our border with mexico is enormous
00:35:14.480
yeah mexico's border with its southern neighbor is tiny tiny tiny yeah if you put it we can build the
00:35:20.240
wall there at the smallest point in mexico you don't even need to put on its smallest border the
00:35:24.320
smallest point in mexico you're going to get a very easy to defend choke point then you only need
00:35:29.120
to defend the waters until canada falls which you know 10 20 years well right and that's another
00:35:36.400
underrated thing is the number of people coming through our border with canada it's not that
00:35:41.600
underrated mexico is the primary crossing point in the southern border yeah because it's cold up there
00:35:47.680
in canada and also very sparsely populated it's sparsely populated yeah well okay interesting yeah
00:35:55.360
this was yeah this was this is this is me when people say oh he's kind of a strong man in his
00:36:00.640
approaches to people call me libertarian and i'm like i am not i'm i i am libertarian in the same way
00:36:06.960
the el salvador guy's libertarian he's libertarian that he wants bitcoin to be the company's current
00:36:10.880
the country's currency but he's um you know also very strong manny in the way he deals with things
00:36:18.240
like crime and i think that we need a bit of both we need more freedom for people who are positive
00:36:24.320
actors in society and less freedom for people who are demonstrably negative actors in society
00:36:30.640
i.e physically assault other humans yeah so let's see i guess the new version of speak softly and carry
00:36:42.400
a big stick is something like offer bitcoin but walk with kill drones what would that i mean like what
00:36:50.800
yes kill drones and crypto that's what we're into with the new techno feudalist overlord okay well
00:36:58.640
uh welcome for emperor i'm right there with you hey it's the only realistic solution that i see
00:37:07.600
right now when i look at what's worked in other environments um and uh yeah but i think that
00:37:15.280
eventually we'll get to a place where all of the the the thriving places of the world will operate on a
00:37:21.280
system like this and that we'll understand one of my favorite things is when the guardian was uh doing
00:37:27.040
the peace on our government system and they're like well it appears that somebody who pays no taxes
00:37:32.480
and takes from the government isn't going to have any power within this system how are you going to
00:37:36.480
get them to immigrate to your country and i was like wait why would i want them to immigrate to my
00:37:42.400
country like other countries can deal with them you and the uk can deal with them we will take the
00:37:49.200
taxpayers oh the uk is really not looking good at the beginning of 2025 it is really really not looking
00:37:56.240
good and i'm now getting all these videos in my feed i don't know the the algorithm has obviously
00:38:00.800
found that i'm interested in the downfall of the uk which i'm not by the way i love the uk
00:38:06.160
it cannot i i can't afford to have the uk sink into the ocean okay so one this is not okay but two
00:38:12.320
i'm seeing all these videos of people who are basically like the uk is falling apart i'm
00:38:16.880
leaving for all these reasons like here's my like hour-long video about why i'm now teaching
00:38:22.320
english in hong kong the uk is looking to escape this is screwed up this is really bad a fascist
00:38:29.280
dictatorship by the far left do you think they can turn it around so can someone else salvador the uk no
00:38:39.120
the way the government is structured is going to make it very very hard for the uk to turn it
00:38:42.960
around unless they regularly and only vote far right over and over and over and over again i mean
00:38:51.280
they might but oh but like they're no they're so milquetoast on so many things it's really right
00:38:56.960
in the uk is so pathetic they're like banned pornography types they're like or they're like
00:39:02.960
like well i guess things are just going downhill and maybe we can they're like well i don't want
00:39:10.160
to look like a racist and it's like well you know maybe a little racist we're not seeing the level of
00:39:17.920
violent and by violent i don't mean physically but i mean like striking stark aggressive visionary um
00:39:26.880
revolutionary political thought that we would need to see among the far right it's all very
00:39:32.000
incrementalist it's all very like well i mean like you know if we just i i don't want to call
00:39:38.800
the bother i don't want to call the bother but it seems like a few things that we're doing here
00:39:43.360
all working um what kind of accent is that i'm trying to do my yaw accent oh one of my favorite so
00:39:52.400
on a recent video we did where we were talking about how in the uk like girls are in these like
00:39:56.480
gang grape groups and obviously there is sorry is that offensive to say obviously gang great groups
00:40:03.600
are always like i i don't know anywhere where there's like a big problem with gang great groups
00:40:07.840
that aren't i don't know whose father was arrested for trying to protect them
00:40:13.840
what epstein arguably was that wasn't that wasn't it was very different of course it was it was high
00:40:23.760
class simone that makes i'm sorry like these girls were being paid and doing this voluntarily
00:40:31.600
like it is not the same thing i know yeah i'm just trying i i was racking my brain for examples of non-islamic
00:40:39.040
unethical behavior we were talking on our video about how in the uk there was this instance of
00:40:44.800
this father trying to save his daughter from this and he was arrested under like drunken disorderly
00:40:49.120
stuff and they're like there were multiple instances of parents attempting we don't want to cause a
00:40:53.280
rate you know a racial disruption and uh one of our fans from nigeria was like oh my god like
00:40:59.520
look i'm sorry like i'm from a country where these people are coming from and we would not allow this
00:41:04.480
here like islamic countries don't allow this why are you allowing this what is wrong with you
00:41:13.280
and yet in the uk if i posted a video complaining about this i could be sent to jail
00:41:21.040
yeah that's yeah the uk is in a really bad way yeah well still okay at least we're not in the uk
00:41:27.200
but oh god i know we love the uk don't do this guys don't don't screw up my happy place
00:41:33.200
it's lost we'll have to have uk little diasporas in the us we're never gonna be able to pull off
00:41:38.880
scotch egg well we can with science anything can be done if we can literally create super
00:41:45.120
babies bring some of these uk people over near us build them a little settlement so they can get away
00:41:49.680
from the you know the terrifying people honestly the view from my house looks like the english
00:41:53.680
countryside so i can make this work i can make this work i love you they're just not bold enough i'm
00:42:00.160
sorry i like i my friends from the uk they consider boris johnson bold
00:42:06.480
bold hair bold hair boris johnson is milk toast
00:42:13.120
yeah well i guess where things are with the uk now we need much more bold action and i
00:42:20.720
would encourage our friends in the what they need is an oliver cromwell to come back in and
00:42:25.760
and tidy things up for them yeah or margaret thatcher i love margaret thatcher she was great
00:42:32.480
oh what a lady yeah it can happen maybe anyway i love you to death simone you are the absolute best
00:42:42.960
we got your started yeah because that's your ending and anybody yeah taquitos we love you guys our fans
00:42:51.600
you make all this worth it genuinely though like i'm europeans kind of
00:42:59.680
honored and surprised i don't know like humbled by the caliber of people who watch this um
00:43:08.720
which is why we need to get more of them to donate their money to us if they don't
00:43:13.920
i was like no we got to set this up and what we're going to build is a dna data bank
00:43:17.920
so you send us your full dna sequence and we'll just include it in our founding documents and if
00:43:22.960
we end up becoming a big movement in the future yeah obviously we're not asking for all of your
00:43:26.480
money or whatever but if you want us to include this and you're a donor we'll include it along
00:43:30.480
with any ai training data you want and future people may end up using it to i don't know train ai
00:43:35.600
models or in creating of humans as a blank human dna template okay but there'll be a better shot you
00:43:43.600
have of being represented in the future than just like spamming kids at a sperm clinic or something
00:43:48.960
but beyond that if you are watching this because you feel intellectually isolated
00:43:54.320
and you're watching this because you know some people who commented in on another episode mentioned
00:43:59.520
that remember that there is a discord that we have where it's it's a really great community and and
00:44:04.720
a lot of people who come to us saying like hey i also feel really intellectually isolated you know do
00:44:10.320
is there anywhere i can go they've enjoyed the discord a lot and it's it's a really great group
00:44:15.040
of people so and it's very very active if you're inclined to do group chat malcolm please if you could
00:44:22.160
leave a link there i i would encourage you to check it out and we hope that this helps you feel less
00:44:27.040
lonely in addition to hanging out with us and we are honored to have you here so okay love you to
00:44:32.960
death simone you are an absolute princess i love you and i will get your rending taquito started and
00:44:39.120
please get the kids are we doing rending taquitos tonight or more of the lemon rice that lemon rice
00:44:43.040
was so good oh i can do more lemon rice there's just not a whole lot of the rending left but i
00:44:46.960
can do some of those indian appetizers to accompany it no that doesn't really work do the taquitos
00:44:52.720
okay taquitos because i help but i also have like refrigerated the rice or rice was the next
00:44:58.320
day's dish by the way lemon rice amazing you're a great cook so good you know what the secret is i think
00:45:03.840
is sugar did you did you try the lemon rice by the way yes of course that's like i kept taking
00:45:11.440
swiping swiping bites it's it's really good lemon rice from now on baby you know what actually here's
00:45:19.200
the thing i want you to invent new types of rice orange sorry sorry it's not no no lime lime coconut
00:45:24.240
rice but i want you to experiment here for the record it is in a rice cooker put jasmine rice with not
00:45:32.560
light but heavy coconut milk instead of water after of course rinsing the starch out of the rice
00:45:38.160
add the zest like per one cup of rice you're adding the zest and juice of one lime so i did
00:45:45.440
three cups of rice you're scraping the outside yeah you're grading the outside of the of the lime and then
00:45:51.520
you are putting all the juice in there and then you also put in i think i put in like at least a
00:45:57.200
tablespoon of sugar on some salt and that i think really made it oh so good anyway okay i love you bye
00:46:11.200
oh that snow isn't it so pretty yes oh my gosh all right do do a pro natals conference pitch oh yes
00:46:20.800
if you want to have a good time and meet a bunch of other pro natalist families and also there were a lot
00:46:25.680
of just single young prenatalist people to go to the natal con in austin this march um you can get
00:46:33.680
a 10 discount on your registration if you enter the code collins because we are here for you and
00:46:39.360
hopefully we'll get to meet you in person this spring oh what what are we doing oh no
00:47:09.840
oh my gosh there were no survivors okay guys say i love you daddy he's going to see
00:47:15.680
see you i love you we love you daddy drive safe daddy bye