Why didn't classically conservative women catch on with the public in the 90s and early 2000s? Why didn't the conservative message that she was trying to sell to the conservative base work? Why did it fail?
00:11:40.160they want someone who is okay with being themselves when themselves is in violation of current social rules
00:11:49.360and i i also think that when you look at this old deontological conservative framework
00:11:54.560i think you see it disappearing in the younger generation
00:11:57.440and even some people who watch the show like a lot of online culture warriors don't realize
00:12:01.940that this base that they think exists doesn't exist
00:12:04.900a few points i make here and i notice that she never she's not racist at all
00:12:10.240but i do believe that even in conservative elite circles i have seen this myth believed that there is a
00:12:16.240disproportionately racist conservative base you need to appeal to through dog whistles
00:12:20.620and by the statistics this is just not true there are not more racist on the conservative side than the democrat side and i'll put some polls on the screen here the one that i always love to cite is that more white democrats said they wouldn't vote for a black president than conservatives
00:12:37.020conservatives uh republicans until obama was president but also you see this in the actual numbers so i'm gonna go through some numbers here
00:12:44.200according to 2014 pure pure research poll 61 percent of republicans and republican leaners under 30 favored same-sex marriage while only 35 percent opposed to it
00:12:56.940so if you're doing something like going against same-sex marriage which i'm not saying she's done but this is just i think the base she thinks she's appealing to
00:13:04.280they don't really exist it's only 35 percent in that young faction a more recent gallup poll from 2021
00:13:10.200showed that 55 percent of republicans overall supported same-sex marriage so more than half even when you include the older republicans
00:13:17.420support same-sex marriage um and in in in a 2015 poll and so this was even a while ago 2015
00:13:26.32010 years ago at this point 63 percent of republicans under 30 supported protecting lgbt individuals from discrimination
00:13:33.420so it's not just gay marriage the conservative party is overwhelmingly pro-gay now especially the
00:13:40.000young ones but then you can look at other issues where she has done like big anti-abortion screeds on
00:13:45.200her channel but if you look at a pew research nearly half of republicans younger than 30 say that abortion
00:13:51.360should be legal in all or most cases 47 percent so the republican base like the next republican base the young
00:13:59.200republicans are way far left of even simone and myself on abortion like we are more restrictive
00:14:08.800abortion access in our state we're just not life begins at conception times and so i i think that and
00:14:15.560i actually want to go further on some of the statistics here so another thing i'm going to put on the screen
00:14:18.740here is republicans views on the legality of abortion from 1975 to 2020 and you can see it's upticked pretty
00:14:26.600significantly recently now at around 64 percent think it should be legal under certain circumstances
00:14:33.640but yeah i don't think it's just that that that hurts abby one huge revelation to me that she's
00:14:40.800actually cool and i think that's a big problem is that she is clearly shooting herself in the foot by not
00:14:49.920being herself online and by not being genuine and i think that's a really big problem with the republican
00:14:55.660party in general is that it's pandering its way to mediocrity in a way that is ruining its appeal
00:15:02.440while also taking a very hard stance on things like abortion where in like the majority of people
00:15:09.020don't agree with that and then are forced and obligated to vote against uh republican politicians
00:15:16.060because they feel like they need to protect just that basic optionality but i also feel like
00:15:22.060she she does a lot of things that are both like entirely legitimate for example one of her videos
00:15:27.540was why i've come out as a conservative influencer which just comes across as wrong even though she's
00:15:36.780coming from a legitimate place like she points out how it's tough for someone as an opera singer who
00:15:42.620works in like the sort of stage performing world to come out as conservative and actually met someone
00:15:48.920who experienced this as well she i should say they they when they worked in the theater world
00:15:57.060were a trans man and then they started detransitioning they didn't even talk with people about the fact
00:16:03.880that they were detransitioning but as they went through the process of detransitioning they got
00:16:08.260completely frozen out of the theater world so yes i remember this coming out as conservative is actually
00:16:14.880a scary thing but she didn't talk about these elements of it she just talked about it in a very
00:16:23.060somewhat like patronizing smug way that really rubbed people the wrong way also i think something
00:16:30.760that really hurt her online reputation when she otherwise could have done well was her ad targeting
00:16:35.700it seems like through her ads she just we've all seen classically abby ads if we've been on youtube
00:16:42.080for the past three years like there was that one time when like she just advertised to everyone
00:16:46.460and literally she advertised to everyone like a common comment on her top viewed videos which clearly
00:16:53.140were associated with her advertising or things like for that why i came out as conservative video one was
00:16:59.660as a 40 year old mexican male who keeps getting her ads all i can say is i'm finally ready to come out
00:17:05.100as a conservative woman and under seven tips to grow from a girl to a classic woman someone wrote
00:17:12.620i'm a 24 year old man but i'm glad to now know how to grow into a mature and classic woman so it's clear
00:17:18.480that like she was advertising to these audiences of people who she definitely didn't want to target
00:17:24.940because by the way she begins these videos with hello ladies she's talking she's trying to create this
00:17:30.620feminine space online for like women to hang out and be an influencer that is a woman talking to women
00:17:37.520so just something wrong with how she was encouraged to position herself and how she ran ads i don't
00:17:44.520think that's true i think that you can get ads much cheaper when you're not targeting them as
00:17:48.380directly and i think that's what was going on there and she was just seeing allowing youtube to find an
00:17:53.180audience for her to find 40 year old mexican men what i think you get wrong in this we have a big
00:17:59.360hispanic actually people be surprised but our channel we're great for a hispanic we're great
00:18:04.420for an international audience but classically abby is not great for a 40 year old mexican man who's
00:18:09.240now i'm sorry i think that you're you're missing a point here i think that it was likely done because
00:18:13.800it got lower cost ads but what i will say that you got right in what you said and it is something i
00:18:19.200want to double down on is how her and her brother come across these days and why i think they are
00:18:27.640losing cultural power and why i think she was unable to capture an audience here which is to
00:18:34.300me they varies i'm just talking like viscerally how it feels when i see them talk um they feel like
00:18:41.580people who should be like at a high school in the nerd group they should be hanging out with you and me
00:18:48.980and owning it club that's what they're secretly like that's their actual thing but they are trying
00:18:56.520to they got a little bit of attention from the school bullies at one point and now they are trying
00:19:01.440to ingratiate themselves with this very small group of bullies that actually everyone else hates
00:19:08.700but the political conservative sphere feels like that and keep in mind this is the group that they're
00:19:13.880mixing in her husband for example when they met in 2017 he was interning with heritage foundation
00:19:18.600yeah heritage foundation has like frozen us out of a lot of things but that's the thing is they
00:19:23.280really are like the popular kids but they're also extremely normative they all dress the same way they
00:19:29.240talk the same way they're all strictly very anti-abortion they're all very strictly these are the
00:19:34.420things we do when these are and they're super not weird you can't be weird and so i just i think that
00:19:39.920because they got some traction in those communities and have become respected in them they know that they
00:19:45.940can't look that way because also when someone thinks about your classic dungeon master they think
00:19:51.220of someone who is progressive politically i disagree so i think that this is where when we're talking
00:19:57.660about conservative archetypes that appeal to the mainstream younger conservative audience
00:20:01.960there is obviously the country boy country girl you can go that route yeah you can go the so
00:20:08.060extremely trad that your tradness is a constant and daily offense to all progressives conservatives will
00:20:14.340like that or you can go our route one of the things i find really interesting i'm talking here about
00:20:19.380this model of this conservative anime nerd cat girl conservative media and people are like come on
00:20:29.220the conservative nerd that's not an archetype that does well and i'm like okay what about short fat otaku
00:20:36.380what about ed dutton what about rubyard who runs what if all hiss he's very nerdy what about i i think
00:20:45.260even henania to an extent comes off as pretty nerdy crimium comes off as pretty nerdy in a lot of his
00:20:51.620stuff this is a archetype that does perform well and all of these routes are playing in the mud to
00:20:57.720some extent because that's what conservatives do we play in the mud i call it low culture conservative
00:21:01.680which is really the 4chan conservative this is the anime tracer butt you know she had the video
00:21:09.020on like modesty and stuff like that and how women should be more modest and i'm here like the last sex
00:21:14.320scandal i remember was tracer butt and i'm pretty sure the conservatives were are the one recently
00:21:19.660which is aeon something color blade is what i was thinking of there was some sony character female
00:21:26.340character that they put more clothes on the conservative youth are anti-modesty we are pro
00:21:34.540low culture we want our women to be modest right like the women who we marry and stuff like that
00:21:39.840but we are not the modesty crusaders of the 90s not even that in fact some of the major
00:21:45.600mormon influencers are total thirst traps yeah that is not uh the actual message like trump is not
00:21:55.060pro-modesty right trump is what's connecting with the base and i think that there is a difference
00:22:01.780between celebrating a degree of chastity and celebrating modesty in all things which just
00:22:10.460doesn't connect right now i think if she wanted to connect with her base she doesn't actually hide
00:22:15.580the cool stuff she does she mentions the warhammer stuff she mentions oh yeah she mentions the dn
00:22:22.820that's just how we know about it right but for her this stuff is a quarantined afterthought in her
00:22:29.580life rather than probably to lead with if you are going after the i think the new conservative
00:22:38.540intellectual group and to be fair we do have a gerontocracy problem in both conservative and
00:22:44.760progressive political spheres in the united states so we do but it's not as big of a problem as people
00:22:50.260would think and this is something i also want to elevate so the gerontocracy does control a lot of
00:22:56.280these old conservative think tanks and it's something where if we lost our job which we
00:23:02.480unfortunately need to think about that we would normally be going to work at one of these think
00:23:08.260tanks right yeah but tough luck for us but they will not talk to us we are radioactive to the
00:23:16.200conservative think tanks even though as is pretty much all of the mainstream conservative influencers
00:23:22.880these days whether you're talking about like pearl davis or bap or brian kaplan or there's a lot of
00:23:29.880conservative leaning or cat girl kulag or crimu who we met recently or there's a lot of conservative
00:23:36.340intellectual influencers out there and none of them that i know or even richard hanania like we are
00:23:43.040fairly plugged in with a lot of conservative influencers and the conservative influencer crowd
00:23:48.160like to the person is actually walled from the conservative political establishment which is
00:23:56.320still controlled by gop or aporia magazine the guy who runs that uh i don't know if it's mad archer
00:24:01.540yeah i just don't know if that's public so i'm gonna cut that out he publishes a bunch of shit with
00:24:06.740okay great yeah these are the things that i think are speaking
00:24:10.400more to the younger the next generation of conservative intellectuals and they are
00:24:17.200systemically banned not just they're not reached out to not like they're not engaged with there's i
00:24:24.600feel like there's a little bit of overlap with some of them some of them are somewhat plugged into
00:24:29.660heritage and coke events and other things like that just not a ton yeah there's a limited but what
00:24:37.140this means is the opposite of what these groups think it means what they think it means is their
00:24:43.320ideas will grow in the conservative youth and they will continue to have the cultural hegemony
00:24:49.380that they have had at a historic level but what it really means is they are not part of the
00:24:56.660conversation like the active political conversation that's happening with the next generation of
00:25:04.400conservative influencers yeah they're missing out they're missing out there it's really a mean
00:25:09.500girls thing like it's just so clicky and they're so focused on status hierarchy fights but we see this
00:25:15.800within we we talk about this happening in the ea slash rationalist community we talk about this
00:25:20.020happening all over the place it's a classic governance issue the funny thing is that this has been
00:25:26.400happening i think to an extent since we were kids and our kid generation there were a lot of movies
00:25:33.580where there was like a cheerleader group or like a mean girl group at the school and i know that things
00:25:39.200are different the way they change the way power structures are work out at schools changes every
00:25:43.980generation or so social media has significantly changed how these things work yeah but the truth of
00:25:48.500our generation was that there was typically one small group of popular girls and i know because i went to a
00:25:55.500number of different schools could be the cheerleaders could be something else who thought that they were
00:26:01.180the most popular girls in school and that some people tried desperately to engage with but actually
00:26:08.260had almost no social power because everybody hated them and quarantined them and they're just an echo
00:26:14.280chamber that like thought that everyone aspired to be like them but they were like just on their own and
00:26:19.140everyone ignored them that was in high school for sure yeah and usually the people who actually had the
00:26:24.200most social influence usually it's one person it was the weed dealer the weed dealer we actually had
00:26:30.660the most social influence on campus because they needed to be able to communicate across social
00:26:35.280communities and they were typically laid back so they didn't offend any specific social community
00:26:40.920yeah it's very easy when you're the weed head slash weed dealer to not make enemies with the
00:26:45.780goth or the preps or the cheerleaders or that so that was typically but then the people with the
00:26:50.520highest like social standing and ability to access things like sexual access and stuff like that
00:26:56.020those were often typically people in the nerdy communities in the drama group in the proto hacker
00:27:02.780kids the it was not the people in these groups that were like even if you would ask like the nerdy or the
00:27:10.320godskins you'd be like oh those kids are like technically above us in the social hierarchy but nobody talks to
00:27:14.240them and i think that phenomenon has replicated itself is this over focus on maintaining an older
00:27:23.940ideological system which is just not represented in the next generation of conservatives yeah it's a
00:27:30.160shame it's a shame because i she puts a lot of work into these videos she put a lot of money into
00:27:35.380these videos and yet the comments that she gets are like the comments that we only see about ourselves
00:27:41.580on hit piece videos about us and they're on her own damn videos it's it's sad it's not nice so no it
00:27:48.900is it does make me sad but i think with a lot of this it was that they just made a mistake they
00:27:55.260fundamentally as we talk about their heuristics about how the current society and online conversation
00:28:01.300is working are just incorrect and because of that even though they are ideologically very aligned
00:28:08.760with us and i'm sure a perfectly pleasant person they are making takes that are not going to resonate
00:28:15.400and what they assumed and what was assumed when classic abby was created it's very clear to me
00:28:20.900from the early videos and the videos that were promoted was i bet there's a space for a modest
00:28:27.280socially conservative woman who tries to speak to both sides of the aisle i think the issue is that
00:28:33.180people look at other figures like candace owens who says some more pretty unhinged things
00:28:38.780and they're like there has to be a space for someone a little bit less unhinged but there really
00:28:46.740isn't unhinged is what conservative unhinged is vitalistic owens says some stuff that i just love
00:28:53.500that you'd never hear from her remember that like the she's i'm too pregnant for this shit right now
00:28:58.080yeah i love that i love that i love that that is quite fun but it also shows you you wouldn't get
00:29:04.900something like it's also interesting to me and i can see why ben shapiro doesn't and for people who
00:29:11.060don't know probably useful context for this ben shapiro has talked about us before he really does
00:29:16.080yeah but he calls us like massive insufferable nerds which is hilarious i say that's the highest status
00:29:21.720of nerd you can reach when ben shapiro thinks you're a nerd he thinks you're yeah but he wouldn't
00:29:27.680say something like that and when he does try to make like a a hit claim or something like that
00:29:35.140he feels like that nerd who's trying to ingratiate himself with the bullies he tries to be like oh
00:29:39.980wet ass pussy i bet you have a disease my wife who's a doctor told me women don't i don't know exactly
00:29:45.420how that went but i'm sure everybody remembers that controversy and then everyone else was like oh my god
00:29:50.600his wife has to tell him this to keep him happy because he's never made a woman anyone was like the
00:29:55.4204d's emotion like social cues he just comes off as this massive nerd which is i think that is why
00:30:02.760he has gotten more popular than his sister i think it's in spite of himself i think it's because he is
00:30:08.920so socially incompetent that he cannot he's fun to watch he cannot help no it's not fun to watch
00:30:15.320he cannot help but step in it sometimes off as this low culture anime nerd which then endears himself
00:30:23.820because i'm saying that framework works conservatives are willing to follow the next generation of
00:30:28.780conservatives the anime nerd basically yeah yeah yeah yeah but he as we've called them the what is it
00:30:36.140the the cat girl femme boy all alt-right conservative yeah which like is a thing like people have talked
00:30:42.620about it cat girl femme boy alt-right conservatives online and it's it's a thing it's i don't think that's
00:30:47.040our audience really but that is an audience that some of our audience come on no yeah i'm sure it's
00:30:52.080a portion and they see somebody screw up so badly socially with something like that and they can't
00:30:59.520help but be a level but love them yeah you gotta love it and she hasn't had moments like that because
00:31:05.100yeah she's too perfect she's too refined yeah and also she comes off as too conventionally attractive
00:31:09.520to like he comes off as a dweeb in a way that is that undermines his air of superiority yeah a little
00:31:18.380like duty hauser yeah before our generation yeah where it's like a little mouse that's squeaking about
00:31:25.980how great it is and how don't you know and you see that and you're like oh that's really cute when a
00:31:32.020beautiful woman comes up that looks styled and attractive conventionally and she starts doing the same
00:31:38.240little mouse speech you're like whoa chill the and i think that was something that he didn't
00:31:44.300understand he thinks that the world views him and likes him for the way he wants to be seen
00:31:50.080instead of as this alternate nerd character i'm even thinking like a lot of her videos are about
00:31:58.660etiquette and just like how to live better and i'm thinking about how in the past genuinely we'll say
00:32:06.320classical women have executed this successfully and even they have done it in a very vitalistic
00:32:14.440and slapstick kind of way so i'm thinking about my beloved like 1950s 1940s emily post etiquette books
00:32:23.400and just how incredibly snarky they are how she in the most delicate and beautiful terms
00:32:31.840throws shade fat people calling them those inclined to rotundities and all these sorts of things and
00:32:38.420it's an increasing casting shade so much throughout every single thing it's extremely snarky it's
00:32:44.580extremely biting it's extremely humorous and it's not just emily post your other hero you used to have
00:32:50.380all of martha stewart's books growing up yeah martha stewart threw her weight around it was
00:32:57.120not if you're trying to compare her to a modern figure she was closer to a no no there is a modern
00:33:04.300martha stewart and she also gets tons of attention and it's nara smith talk about her i don't know
00:33:09.700nara smith is the trad wife influencer who does those insane tiktok videos where she's like oh my
00:33:17.080my child told me that they wanted french toast crunch this morning and so i then she like makes
00:33:23.860cereal from scratch baking each individual grain of cereal that kind of yeah so that's what and
00:33:31.980that's what martha stewart did in her original time oh like i'm going to do everything from scratch and
00:33:36.420build an entire birthday party's worth of accessories all before a birthday party she the modern nara smith
00:33:42.260is totally riffing on that and i can't believe it and so far none of the commentators on her brought
00:33:45.980that up they just call it rage bait but it's the same kind of thing it's over the top it's extra and
00:33:52.400yeah i actually think martha stewart was a little bit more of a ben shapiro and here's why
00:33:58.020martha stewart came from a lower income polish immigrant family her last name was kostyra
00:34:07.040she always had a big chip on her shoulder about that and went out of her way to develop a different
00:34:13.800accent a different cadence of a woman who was far more high class and then she kept her ex-husband's
00:34:19.040last name stewart because it sounded super waspy so she was always this this fairly status anxious
00:34:26.760woman cosplaying as a very waspy wealthy i hear you and maybe this was a mistake on her part but to
00:34:33.720me and i think no no but comes across is overblown and as a larp and it's like ben shapiro being like
00:34:39.900and you're just like oh my god this is so cute and it's amazing but this is this is actually a good
00:34:45.200point that's the point i'm making classy was a larp and was obviously a larp yeah abby's classy
00:34:53.080is i was born wealthy and i am she was born wealthy and she's just being wealthy and she's
00:34:57.840why can't you just be wealthy obviously and that's why it comes across as ai here's the final point on
00:35:04.520ben shapiro because i hadn't really thought about it until now where i was like ben shapiro is actually
00:35:09.560famous what actually appeals to people is what a nerdy dweeb he is like that's the model that is
00:35:15.640popular among his fans that is how he has captured the public attention but he personally is unaware of
00:35:25.520this and denies this um because of that that also i think it's easy to deny it when you're as famous and
00:35:33.140wealthy now as he is too yeah but i think that is why he hates us so much is because we as they say
00:35:41.980like the things you don't like about yourself i'm sure there's a part of his brain that is aware
00:35:47.460he was for a generation the conservative nerd who pushed cultural boundaries and wasn't your classical
00:35:55.480christian and he sees that in us and it forces him to reflect a little bit on a portion of his own
00:36:06.540rise to fame that he doesn't want to reflect on and an aspect of the way he's seen by the world that
00:36:12.580he doesn't want to reflect on we also just have punchable faces i don't know what to tell you
00:36:16.980he does too that's the thing we're ah and he sees his own punchable face in the mirror so that is
00:36:24.320what i think is going on there i do think that classical abby could easily drift in a different
00:36:30.160direction create a content that is more like why she holds the belief she holds instead of this is
00:36:37.060what's right this is what's wrong and i think it would probably perform better in the algorithm
00:36:41.400and to focus on beliefs that cut the dominant conservative narrative those are the videos that
00:36:47.280people are going to find interesting from you if i was to give her advice dear abby if you would like
00:36:52.280to come on based camp you are always welcome you share your spicy takes with us yes you are
00:36:57.780extremely welcome here we would love to have you on yeah absolutely and and even ben he seems like
00:37:04.880somebody who would be our friend if he could get over trying to fit in with the cool kids but i also
00:37:08.760understand what you're saying there is social cost to him though is the cool kids are they really
00:37:14.060your friends if they'll turn on you the moment you act yourself yeah fuck them fuck them and that's
00:37:22.560also what's cool about our audience is we are uncancelable within our audience because we are who we tell
00:37:29.640them we are yeah and our audience we're definitely the the great thing about base camp listeners is
00:37:35.060most do not agree with us it's they're not here because they agree with us and if we were to change
00:37:40.420our mind on something or express our view they disagree with they're not going to go away
00:37:44.380because sometimes they're just here to hate watch or they're just no i don't think it's just here to
00:37:49.160hate watch i think we get very few hate watchers i say they're here because here is an active
00:37:53.660intellectual conversation yeah that's about what's going to be the dominant conservative narrative next
00:37:58.280and most of the political landscape today is not a living conversation yeah yeah yeah a conversation
00:38:05.360about how to enforce uh x group's value system and not about can we like improve this can we improve
00:38:13.340that and i think that that is why people are here when they don't agree with us because they're aware
00:38:20.220that this is an active conversation where people are including ourselves changing our mind when
00:38:27.020presented with new arguments yeah and that is really exciting to me to be part of a community like
00:38:32.680that and i think that's why most of the we have so much reach within the intellectually active
00:38:37.060conservative community these days or at least the young ones the other agendom i wanted to add here
00:38:41.580was classically abby and kids in every one of the pictures where she has a kid she is tastefully
00:38:49.520hiding the child's face classic yeah i know so classic so classy but here's the problem hiding children
00:38:58.600from the world is not pronatalist or good we used to share the joys of rearing with our communities
00:39:05.080and through that normalized parenting and developed and proliferated parenting strategies that actually
00:39:12.140work outside of an academic context we have lost that when you stop sharing children with the world
00:39:21.940when you stop sharing being a parent with the world is it any wonder that the world has forgotten
00:39:28.680how to be a parent and i just i have to re-elevate what you pointed out to me that oh one of our
00:39:35.420podcast listeners on the discord had pointed out which is that the childless and anti-natalist
00:39:42.900internet elite especially females benefit from shaming having kids on camera because it is a
00:39:50.440kids on camera are way to like steal attention and be a thirst trap of babies because kids are cute
00:39:55.420they can be it's the weapon parents have against non-parents in the culture war but if parents
00:40:01.160aren't allowed to post their kids then all they have is their gross mom bods and dad bods that no
00:40:07.480one wants to see through disarming parents they ensure their victory and culturally backing down on this
00:40:13.500point i don't think any conservative family should ever one iota back down on this point
00:40:20.320being a parent is not something you need to hide from the world you can watch our video on the
00:40:24.160ethics of showing our kids on camera where actually i think that kids will end up much better off
00:40:29.300especially in a world where everything you do is being recorded to being reminded that everything
00:40:35.080they're doing is being recorded so they don't accidentally go on that teenage tirade that right
00:40:40.420now is career destroying and obviously there's a lot of benefits to having kids on camera and the costs
00:40:47.340are just so low in our existing environment people in the adult world when you enter that world people
00:40:54.300are like well what if they don't consent and it's like well kids can consent largely speaking to this
00:40:58.940like my kid can tell me when he doesn't want to be on camera and we have never ever had one of our
00:41:02.760kids on camera that didn't want to be on camera um if you're wondering about infants and you're like
00:41:07.920well the infant can't consent but it's also like yeah but the infant's consent is irrelevant
00:41:12.400because nothing an infant does on camera while it's an infant can negatively affect their adult
00:41:18.800life therefore their consent is irrelevant i can't imagine there's never been an instance
00:41:23.700in which they are on camera yeah there's never been an instance but like we would hold a really strict
00:41:30.660line on that and then people are like they're too young to knowledgeably consent to something like
00:41:37.220that and it's yes but fortunately that's taken into the context where the negative ramifications
00:41:43.040from this can come i.e when they are older and they have to deal with the ramifications of something
00:41:48.740they said when they were 11 the world's going to take that they were 11 into context okay where if you
00:41:54.380look at other things that are being normalized if they medically transition their gender when they're 11
00:41:59.360and they're 27 they can't go back from that in the same way it's not reversible and nobody can be
00:42:05.400like i understand the context therefore it doesn't count those things count and so it's important to
00:42:10.520remember that there are inherital inherent societal buffers any negative repercussions that can come
00:42:17.080from showing your kids within these contexts and when we allow progressives to win that culture war
00:42:23.800of normalization never showing kids in an online context then kids never get seen if that's the core
00:42:30.300media source and parents never get seen and parenting never gets seen and that is really
00:42:36.960well and then what what does get elevated is empty consumerism it's travel it's being a thirst trap this
00:42:43.160is all stuff that's very ephemeral that no one's going to have for life and yeah just it's uh it's not
00:42:48.900ultimately inherently fulfilling or really all that pro-social or griffith's society instead of the
00:42:53.900miracle of creating a human being and raising that person and trying to give them the best shot possible
00:42:59.580in life and the best life possible which is actually something beautiful yeah so if you're
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00:43:15.760yeah genuinely it's a great conversation over there malcolm constantly shares it with me because
00:43:20.360he's constantly checking it and if the conversations are as good as if not probably no better than ours
00:43:26.320here honestly yeah i would say most of the episode discussions if you're like i found that intellectually
00:43:31.900stimulating and i wish i could watch another hour on that one topic you just did but with additional
00:43:37.760viewpoints like with the catholic viewpoint and with the mormon viewpoint and with the orthodox jewish
00:43:42.220it's just so great it's okay yeah like on the catholic fertility rate ones that one had a great
00:43:46.840conversation on the discord go to the discord go to the episode discussion section and it's a lot more
00:43:51.800interactive and full than the comments on youtube because of course and i i think you'll really
00:43:58.380enjoy it because the quality of the conversations and i agree with someone i actually think is maybe
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