Based Camp - The Perplexing Failure of Classically Abby (Ben Shapiro's Sister)

00:00:00.000 she's actually cool actually an interesting nerd what on earth in real life what but the person

00:00:07.580 she presents as on youtube is i love your shock would you like to know more hello simone i am so

00:00:18.060 excited to be talking to you today something really interesting that we mentioned in a recent

00:00:21.840 episode that when i was editing it i was like wait a second i should be really focused on this

00:00:26.780 question why didn't classically abby vin shapiro's sister work being a conservative woman in today's 1.00

00:00:34.940 day and age is not easy why didn't she catch on with the public and so people can understand just

00:00:40.720 how much this didn't work she was doing tons and tons of ads at one point on youtube if you are 1.00

00:00:46.460 active on youtube you definitely saw her all the time for a period every time i bought this up with

00:00:50.460 a youtuber they're like oh yeah that uh you aren't active on youtube to give you an idea

00:00:55.960 her top four or five videos have over a million views and if you're paying for that much in ads

00:01:02.460 because it was certainly in ads that caused these videos to go out there certainly over a million

00:01:08.020 dollars in ad spend if i had to guess i would guess it was probably 1.5 to 2 million in ad spend

00:01:14.160 for a channel that today produces weekly videos that are similar in format to ours and similar also

00:01:22.520 in content to ours and are getting i'd say on average probably about half the views that we get

00:01:28.180 on daily videos so this is really interesting to me and i can post our numbers on the screen and

00:01:35.020 everything like that so you can check our math we're getting on average i think now what is it

00:01:39.820 8 000 views per day 7 000 views per day and about a thousand three hundred watch hours per day or

00:01:45.940 seven four hundred watch hours per day depending it goes up and down for us there was a peak a little

00:01:50.120 bit ago but you've done a really good job melco no i mean i i don't know a million to two millions

00:01:55.240 on side of me i would guess more like at least a hundred thousand dollars oh certainly more than

00:02:00.520 a hundred thousand really oh absolutely it had to be there there is no way it was less than half a

00:02:07.560 million but i suspect very likely between a million and a half a million and a half okay um but we can

00:02:13.600 run the numbers whatever the point being is she's connected to a famous person her videos are generally

00:02:21.120 well done edited well executed she is an attractive woman and she had the ability to get in front of 1.00

00:02:30.600 tons of people why didn't her message connect with any audience and this is a very important question

00:02:41.380 to be asking for a probably the biggest reason is because the message that she was shilling is the

00:02:49.380 message that the conservative elites believe the conservative base should be hearing yeah and i my

00:02:58.900 when i was going through her videos in preparation for this because i hadn't really watched any

00:03:02.980 i felt like i was watching an ai video these were ai responses if you asked chat gpt what are some

00:03:13.360 reasons why a woman would need to dress modestly or what are some reasons why i should keep my

00:03:20.000 apartment clean these are exactly the answers that it would generate oh my god you're right yes i am

00:03:25.780 exactly right and i think that's also the framing of and you're a conservative youtuber and then that's

00:03:32.480 what it would spit out you would need to give it some framing but hold on before i go further with

00:03:37.600 this i want to make a few caveats about my thoughts after watching a lot of her content okay so my first

00:03:45.480 thought is i think that ideologically we are probably not that different from her even socially i don't feel

00:03:54.720 we're that different from her when i watch her videos to me she reminds me intensely of some of my

00:04:01.360 cousins and by that what i mean yeah i would say your family but definitely not us she's not weird

00:04:08.240 well no this is the weird thing she is actually in real life she dms for her husband's some of his 0.99

00:04:19.880 tabletop gaming groups she is into warhammer what is she's actually cool actually an interesting

00:04:26.360 nerd what on earth in real life but the person she presents as on youtube is i loved your shock

00:04:36.820 oh my god also like my family my family members who are like her oh yeah when they're drunk they're

00:04:44.840 amazing yeah they're amazing when they're drunk but when they're not drunk they are just like her

00:04:50.020 they are very entirely palatable about this very crafted image they're conservative barbie and ken

00:04:57.020 yeah and it doesn't work for a few reasons so the very first reason that i'll get to why i don't

00:05:01.880 think her image worked or founded audience is in one of her videos the one on trad wives she explains

00:05:08.080 why she chose the term classically instead of trap and it was because she saw trad as being too

00:05:15.420 reductionist and restrictive in terms of what it represented as a woman being strictly beneath 0.98

00:05:20.760 the husband and she'll make arguments very similar to ours that no this wasn't the case for most

00:05:25.360 families historically women usually work she's lucid and educated on these topics but the problem is so 1.00

00:05:33.360 she saw classic as the alternative of that and she really is quite a classical person she does

00:05:40.720 opera singer if you look at the environment of her house or the way that she styles herself

00:05:48.980 it is a very classical look i'm really i don't know it's it's starbucks it's starbucks basic whatever

00:05:56.240 you want to say the point is if you are going to dallas house parties yes wealthy people that is what

00:06:03.540 you would see that is what you would see is a house that looked like hers and this i think is the

00:06:09.320 first mistake is that uh classical what does classical really mean in a modern context classical

00:06:17.600 means what is socially normative in the upper classes of a society or the elite classes my name 1.00

00:06:25.320 is classy with an i and a little dick hanging off the c that bends around and f*** the l out of the ass 1.00

00:06:32.040 the problem is that in our current society being conservative is not socially normative among the 1.00

00:06:42.380 elite communities therefore being conservative is not classy from the perspective of this elite group

00:06:51.800 that rules our society this is why when you go to your standard billionaire who hasn't put a lot of

00:06:57.980 thought into their political beliefs and they're doing what's socially normative whether it is mark

00:07:02.980 zuckerberg or bill gates or even the sons because i grew up adjacent to the very wealthy community

00:07:10.660 in dallas my granddad with a congressman and i know what happened to their kids right i know the lives

00:07:16.960 that they're living now they almost to the person completely abandoned that aesthetic convention

00:07:25.580 they no longer larp trying to so they basically went one of two directions either they went the

00:07:32.760 direction of what we call the urban monoculture or trying to look like your standard wealthy white

00:07:38.300 progressive woman which is an iteration of classy that stayed in some of the mansion-y looking places 1.00

00:07:44.700 and stuff like that or they became conservative or stayed conservative because their families were

00:07:50.000 originally conservative and now mostly live on their family's ranch or lake house or semi-rural

00:07:56.680 environment and larp more of the rural aesthetic because the conservative mindset was expelled from

00:08:05.160 these communities what she is selling classically is something that would have sold to our parents

00:08:12.420 generation of conservatives but it is not something that appeals to this generation of conservatives

00:08:19.260 when you look at what's appealing personally to this generation of conservatives okay for example

00:08:25.940 look at trump is trump classic or classy in any way he desperately went

00:08:32.420 but no he is garish and out there and vitalist or you look at as we've mentioned other conservative

00:08:41.800 heroes like tiger king

00:08:43.120 that's how we take care of ossies right there buddy 1.00

00:08:51.140 you're an animal rights person and you try and come into this facility

00:08:56.660 this is what you're going to be greeted with

00:08:59.480 like this is the type of vitalism that the conservative base identifies with

00:09:08.860 and craves or yeah and i think progressives or many will say classical conservatives would call

00:09:15.460 that trashy but really what what it is in our minds is like rough rider republicanism this is teddy

00:09:24.080 roosevelt this is get out there pew pew america yeah the pearl clutching conservative

00:09:31.180 basically died out as a demographic class in our video that i would really recommend to people watch

00:09:39.220 if they haven't seen it because i think it's one of our best

00:09:40.940 from disgust to cringe to vitalism examining the evolution of cultural frameworks

00:09:45.580 we talk about how in the 90s mass action politically was motivated primarily by a disgust-based framework

00:09:54.160 which and then a cringe framework which uh shamed people for violating social norms 0.74

00:09:58.640 these frameworks really worked with this classic socially normative appeal that she's going for

00:10:05.240 because it was the appeal that worked for our parents generation but it doesn't work for our generation

00:10:09.660 and a lot of the positions like the base that they think when i say they i mean her and her brother

00:10:16.040 because they both do a somewhat similar shtick now and it's very clear as her brother changes

00:10:20.960 from one shtick to another shtick he doesn't understand what the conservative base wants

00:10:25.100 he got famous when a different generation of conservatives was around

00:10:28.700 and he was never really got young conservatives

00:10:33.200 and it is also clear you see this in likely who he's surrounding himself with

00:10:38.760 which is the last generation of conservatives

00:10:40.940 which had this sort of deontological conservative framework

00:10:44.020 where these things are good these things are bad

00:10:47.320 instead of the more consequentialist vitalistic rebellious framework that the modern conservative

00:10:53.280 has he it's not about pearl clutching you need to follow this set of rules anymore

00:10:58.420 it's we need to rebel against a system that's controlling us

00:11:02.020 and that that doesn't work with classy

00:11:04.720 you don't you don't and even even fight back in a classy way

00:11:09.460 yeah you don't socially rebel i often think like when even conservatives want classy today

00:11:13.920 young conservatives right what are they looking for

00:11:16.380 they're looking for morticia and gomez

00:11:18.780 not a 90s soccer mom right

00:11:21.840 how long has it been since we've waltzed

00:11:24.340 oh gomez

00:11:26.520 ours

00:11:31.920 to live without you only that would be torture

00:11:36.220 a day alone

00:11:37.720 only that would be death

00:11:40.160 they want someone who is okay with being themselves when themselves is in violation of current social rules

00:11:49.360 and i i also think that when you look at this old deontological conservative framework

00:11:54.560 i think you see it disappearing in the younger generation

00:11:57.440 and even some people who watch the show like a lot of online culture warriors don't realize

00:12:01.940 that this base that they think exists doesn't exist

00:12:04.900 a few points i make here and i notice that she never she's not racist at all

00:12:10.240 but i do believe that even in conservative elite circles i have seen this myth believed that there is a

00:12:16.240 disproportionately racist conservative base you need to appeal to through dog whistles

00:12:20.620 and by the statistics this is just not true there are not more racist on the conservative side than the democrat side and i'll put some polls on the screen here the one that i always love to cite is that more white democrats said they wouldn't vote for a black president than conservatives

00:12:37.020 conservatives uh republicans until obama was president but also you see this in the actual numbers so i'm gonna go through some numbers here

00:12:44.200 according to 2014 pure pure research poll 61 percent of republicans and republican leaners under 30 favored same-sex marriage while only 35 percent opposed to it

00:12:56.940 so if you're doing something like going against same-sex marriage which i'm not saying she's done but this is just i think the base she thinks she's appealing to

00:13:04.280 they don't really exist it's only 35 percent in that young faction a more recent gallup poll from 2021

00:13:10.200 showed that 55 percent of republicans overall supported same-sex marriage so more than half even when you include the older republicans

00:13:17.420 support same-sex marriage um and in in in a 2015 poll and so this was even a while ago 2015

00:13:26.320 10 years ago at this point 63 percent of republicans under 30 supported protecting lgbt individuals from discrimination

00:13:33.420 so it's not just gay marriage the conservative party is overwhelmingly pro-gay now especially the

00:13:40.000 young ones but then you can look at other issues where she has done like big anti-abortion screeds on 0.96

00:13:45.200 her channel but if you look at a pew research nearly half of republicans younger than 30 say that abortion 0.67

00:13:51.360 should be legal in all or most cases 47 percent so the republican base like the next republican base the young

00:13:59.200 republicans are way far left of even simone and myself on abortion like we are more restrictive

00:14:08.800 abortion access in our state we're just not life begins at conception times and so i i think that and

00:14:15.560 i actually want to go further on some of the statistics here so another thing i'm going to put on the screen

00:14:18.740 here is republicans views on the legality of abortion from 1975 to 2020 and you can see it's upticked pretty 0.54

00:14:26.600 significantly recently now at around 64 percent think it should be legal under certain circumstances

00:14:33.640 but yeah i don't think it's just that that that hurts abby one huge revelation to me that she's

00:14:40.800 actually cool and i think that's a big problem is that she is clearly shooting herself in the foot by not 1.00

00:14:49.920 being herself online and by not being genuine and i think that's a really big problem with the republican

00:14:55.660 party in general is that it's pandering its way to mediocrity in a way that is ruining its appeal

00:15:02.440 while also taking a very hard stance on things like abortion where in like the majority of people

00:15:09.020 don't agree with that and then are forced and obligated to vote against uh republican politicians

00:15:16.060 because they feel like they need to protect just that basic optionality but i also feel like

00:15:22.060 she she does a lot of things that are both like entirely legitimate for example one of her videos 0.98

00:15:27.540 was why i've come out as a conservative influencer which just comes across as wrong even though she's

00:15:36.780 coming from a legitimate place like she points out how it's tough for someone as an opera singer who

00:15:42.620 works in like the sort of stage performing world to come out as conservative and actually met someone

00:15:48.920 who experienced this as well she i should say they they when they worked in the theater world

00:15:57.060 were a trans man and then they started detransitioning they didn't even talk with people about the fact 0.86

00:16:03.880 that they were detransitioning but as they went through the process of detransitioning they got

00:16:08.260 completely frozen out of the theater world so yes i remember this coming out as conservative is actually

00:16:14.880 a scary thing but she didn't talk about these elements of it she just talked about it in a very

00:16:23.060 somewhat like patronizing smug way that really rubbed people the wrong way also i think something

00:16:30.760 that really hurt her online reputation when she otherwise could have done well was her ad targeting 0.99

00:16:35.700 it seems like through her ads she just we've all seen classically abby ads if we've been on youtube

00:16:42.080 for the past three years like there was that one time when like she just advertised to everyone

00:16:46.460 and literally she advertised to everyone like a common comment on her top viewed videos which clearly

00:16:53.140 were associated with her advertising or things like for that why i came out as conservative video one was

00:16:59.660 as a 40 year old mexican male who keeps getting her ads all i can say is i'm finally ready to come out

00:17:05.100 as a conservative woman and under seven tips to grow from a girl to a classic woman someone wrote 0.90

00:17:12.620 i'm a 24 year old man but i'm glad to now know how to grow into a mature and classic woman so it's clear

00:17:18.480 that like she was advertising to these audiences of people who she definitely didn't want to target

00:17:24.940 because by the way she begins these videos with hello ladies she's talking she's trying to create this

00:17:30.620 feminine space online for like women to hang out and be an influencer that is a woman talking to women 1.00

00:17:37.520 so just something wrong with how she was encouraged to position herself and how she ran ads i don't

00:17:44.520 think that's true i think that you can get ads much cheaper when you're not targeting them as

00:17:48.380 directly and i think that's what was going on there and she was just seeing allowing youtube to find an

00:17:53.180 audience for her to find 40 year old mexican men what i think you get wrong in this we have a big 0.98

00:17:59.360 hispanic actually people be surprised but our channel we're great for a hispanic we're great

00:18:04.420 for an international audience but classically abby is not great for a 40 year old mexican man who's

00:18:09.240 now i'm sorry i think that you're you're missing a point here i think that it was likely done because

00:18:13.800 it got lower cost ads but what i will say that you got right in what you said and it is something i

00:18:19.200 want to double down on is how her and her brother come across these days and why i think they are

00:18:27.640 losing cultural power and why i think she was unable to capture an audience here which is to

00:18:34.300 me they varies i'm just talking like viscerally how it feels when i see them talk um they feel like

00:18:41.580 people who should be like at a high school in the nerd group they should be hanging out with you and me

00:18:48.980 and owning it club that's what they're secretly like that's their actual thing but they are trying

00:18:56.520 to they got a little bit of attention from the school bullies at one point and now they are trying

00:19:01.440 to ingratiate themselves with this very small group of bullies that actually everyone else hates

00:19:08.700 but the political conservative sphere feels like that and keep in mind this is the group that they're

00:19:13.880 mixing in her husband for example when they met in 2017 he was interning with heritage foundation

00:19:18.600 yeah heritage foundation has like frozen us out of a lot of things but that's the thing is they

00:19:23.280 really are like the popular kids but they're also extremely normative they all dress the same way they

00:19:29.240 talk the same way they're all strictly very anti-abortion they're all very strictly these are the

00:19:34.420 things we do when these are and they're super not weird you can't be weird and so i just i think that

00:19:39.920 because they got some traction in those communities and have become respected in them they know that they

00:19:45.940 can't look that way because also when someone thinks about your classic dungeon master they think

00:19:51.220 of someone who is progressive politically i disagree so i think that this is where when we're talking

00:19:57.660 about conservative archetypes that appeal to the mainstream younger conservative audience

00:20:01.960 there is obviously the country boy country girl you can go that route yeah you can go the so

00:20:08.060 extremely trad that your tradness is a constant and daily offense to all progressives conservatives will

00:20:14.340 like that or you can go our route one of the things i find really interesting i'm talking here about

00:20:19.380 this model of this conservative anime nerd cat girl conservative media and people are like come on

00:20:29.220 the conservative nerd that's not an archetype that does well and i'm like okay what about short fat otaku

00:20:36.380 what about ed dutton what about rubyard who runs what if all hiss he's very nerdy what about i i think

00:20:45.260 even henania to an extent comes off as pretty nerdy crimium comes off as pretty nerdy in a lot of his 1.00

00:20:51.620 stuff this is a archetype that does perform well and all of these routes are playing in the mud to

00:20:57.720 some extent because that's what conservatives do we play in the mud i call it low culture conservative

00:21:01.680 which is really the 4chan conservative this is the anime tracer butt you know she had the video 0.59

00:21:09.020 on like modesty and stuff like that and how women should be more modest and i'm here like the last sex 0.99

00:21:14.320 scandal i remember was tracer butt and i'm pretty sure the conservatives were are the one recently

00:21:19.660 which is aeon something color blade is what i was thinking of there was some sony character female 1.00

00:21:26.340 character that they put more clothes on the conservative youth are anti-modesty we are pro

00:21:34.540 low culture we want our women to be modest right like the women who we marry and stuff like that 0.70

00:21:39.840 but we are not the modesty crusaders of the 90s not even that in fact some of the major

00:21:45.600 mormon influencers are total thirst traps yeah that is not uh the actual message like trump is not

00:21:55.060 pro-modesty right trump is what's connecting with the base and i think that there is a difference

00:22:01.780 between celebrating a degree of chastity and celebrating modesty in all things which just

00:22:10.460 doesn't connect right now i think if she wanted to connect with her base she doesn't actually hide

00:22:15.580 the cool stuff she does she mentions the warhammer stuff she mentions oh yeah she mentions the dn

00:22:22.820 that's just how we know about it right but for her this stuff is a quarantined afterthought in her

00:22:29.580 life rather than probably to lead with if you are going after the i think the new conservative

00:22:38.540 intellectual group and to be fair we do have a gerontocracy problem in both conservative and

00:22:44.760 progressive political spheres in the united states so we do but it's not as big of a problem as people

00:22:50.260 would think and this is something i also want to elevate so the gerontocracy does control a lot of

00:22:56.280 these old conservative think tanks and it's something where if we lost our job which we

00:23:02.480 unfortunately need to think about that we would normally be going to work at one of these think

00:23:08.260 tanks right yeah but tough luck for us but they will not talk to us we are radioactive to the

00:23:16.200 conservative think tanks even though as is pretty much all of the mainstream conservative influencers

00:23:22.880 these days whether you're talking about like pearl davis or bap or brian kaplan or there's a lot of

00:23:29.880 conservative leaning or cat girl kulag or crimu who we met recently or there's a lot of conservative

00:23:36.340 intellectual influencers out there and none of them that i know or even richard hanania like we are

00:23:43.040 fairly plugged in with a lot of conservative influencers and the conservative influencer crowd

00:23:48.160 like to the person is actually walled from the conservative political establishment which is

00:23:56.320 still controlled by gop or aporia magazine the guy who runs that uh i don't know if it's mad archer 0.98

00:24:01.540 yeah i just don't know if that's public so i'm gonna cut that out he publishes a bunch of shit with 0.92

00:24:06.740 okay great yeah these are the things that i think are speaking 0.91

00:24:10.400 more to the younger the next generation of conservative intellectuals and they are

00:24:17.200 systemically banned not just they're not reached out to not like they're not engaged with there's i

00:24:24.600 feel like there's a little bit of overlap with some of them some of them are somewhat plugged into

00:24:29.660 heritage and coke events and other things like that just not a ton yeah there's a limited but what

00:24:37.140 this means is the opposite of what these groups think it means what they think it means is their

00:24:43.320 ideas will grow in the conservative youth and they will continue to have the cultural hegemony

00:24:49.380 that they have had at a historic level but what it really means is they are not part of the

00:24:56.660 conversation like the active political conversation that's happening with the next generation of

00:25:04.400 conservative influencers yeah they're missing out they're missing out there it's really a mean

00:25:09.500 girls thing like it's just so clicky and they're so focused on status hierarchy fights but we see this 1.00

00:25:15.800 within we we talk about this happening in the ea slash rationalist community we talk about this

00:25:20.020 happening all over the place it's a classic governance issue the funny thing is that this has been

00:25:26.400 happening i think to an extent since we were kids and our kid generation there were a lot of movies

00:25:33.580 where there was like a cheerleader group or like a mean girl group at the school and i know that things

00:25:39.200 are different the way they change the way power structures are work out at schools changes every

00:25:43.980 generation or so social media has significantly changed how these things work yeah but the truth of

00:25:48.500 our generation was that there was typically one small group of popular girls and i know because i went to a 0.53

00:25:55.500 number of different schools could be the cheerleaders could be something else who thought that they were 0.96

00:26:01.180 the most popular girls in school and that some people tried desperately to engage with but actually

00:26:08.260 had almost no social power because everybody hated them and quarantined them and they're just an echo

00:26:14.280 chamber that like thought that everyone aspired to be like them but they were like just on their own and

00:26:19.140 everyone ignored them that was in high school for sure yeah and usually the people who actually had the

00:26:24.200 most social influence usually it's one person it was the weed dealer the weed dealer we actually had

00:26:30.660 the most social influence on campus because they needed to be able to communicate across social

00:26:35.280 communities and they were typically laid back so they didn't offend any specific social community

00:26:40.920 yeah it's very easy when you're the weed head slash weed dealer to not make enemies with the

00:26:45.780 goth or the preps or the cheerleaders or that so that was typically but then the people with the

00:26:50.520 highest like social standing and ability to access things like sexual access and stuff like that

00:26:56.020 those were often typically people in the nerdy communities in the drama group in the proto hacker

00:27:02.780 kids the it was not the people in these groups that were like even if you would ask like the nerdy or the

00:27:10.320 godskins you'd be like oh those kids are like technically above us in the social hierarchy but nobody talks to

00:27:14.240 them and i think that phenomenon has replicated itself is this over focus on maintaining an older

00:27:23.940 ideological system which is just not represented in the next generation of conservatives yeah it's a

00:27:30.160 shame it's a shame because i she puts a lot of work into these videos she put a lot of money into 1.00

00:27:35.380 these videos and yet the comments that she gets are like the comments that we only see about ourselves 0.89

00:27:41.580 on hit piece videos about us and they're on her own damn videos it's it's sad it's not nice so no it 0.89

00:27:48.900 is it does make me sad but i think with a lot of this it was that they just made a mistake they 0.84

00:27:55.260 fundamentally as we talk about their heuristics about how the current society and online conversation

00:28:01.300 is working are just incorrect and because of that even though they are ideologically very aligned

00:28:08.760 with us and i'm sure a perfectly pleasant person they are making takes that are not going to resonate

00:28:15.400 and what they assumed and what was assumed when classic abby was created it's very clear to me

00:28:20.900 from the early videos and the videos that were promoted was i bet there's a space for a modest

00:28:27.280 socially conservative woman who tries to speak to both sides of the aisle i think the issue is that 1.00

00:28:33.180 people look at other figures like candace owens who says some more pretty unhinged things 1.00

00:28:38.780 and they're like there has to be a space for someone a little bit less unhinged but there really

00:28:46.740 isn't unhinged is what conservative unhinged is vitalistic owens says some stuff that i just love 0.99

00:28:53.500 that you'd never hear from her remember that like the she's i'm too pregnant for this shit right now 0.97

00:28:58.080 yeah i love that i love that i love that that is quite fun but it also shows you you wouldn't get

00:29:04.900 something like it's also interesting to me and i can see why ben shapiro doesn't and for people who

00:29:11.060 don't know probably useful context for this ben shapiro has talked about us before he really does

00:29:16.080 yeah but he calls us like massive insufferable nerds which is hilarious i say that's the highest status

00:29:21.720 of nerd you can reach when ben shapiro thinks you're a nerd he thinks you're yeah but he wouldn't

00:29:27.680 say something like that and when he does try to make like a a hit claim or something like that

00:29:35.140 he feels like that nerd who's trying to ingratiate himself with the bullies he tries to be like oh 1.00

00:29:39.980 wet ass pussy i bet you have a disease my wife who's a doctor told me women don't i don't know exactly 1.00

00:29:45.420 how that went but i'm sure everybody remembers that controversy and then everyone else was like oh my god 1.00

00:29:50.600 his wife has to tell him this to keep him happy because he's never made a woman anyone was like the

00:29:55.420 4d's emotion like social cues he just comes off as this massive nerd which is i think that is why

00:30:02.760 he has gotten more popular than his sister i think it's in spite of himself i think it's because he is

00:30:08.920 so socially incompetent that he cannot he's fun to watch he cannot help no it's not fun to watch

00:30:15.320 he cannot help but step in it sometimes off as this low culture anime nerd which then endears himself

00:30:23.820 because i'm saying that framework works conservatives are willing to follow the next generation of

00:30:28.780 conservatives the anime nerd basically yeah yeah yeah yeah but he as we've called them the what is it

00:30:36.140 the the cat girl femme boy all alt-right conservative yeah which like is a thing like people have talked

00:30:42.620 about it cat girl femme boy alt-right conservatives online and it's it's a thing it's i don't think that's

00:30:47.040 our audience really but that is an audience that some of our audience come on no yeah i'm sure it's

00:30:52.080 a portion and they see somebody screw up so badly socially with something like that and they can't

00:30:59.520 help but be a level but love them yeah you gotta love it and she hasn't had moments like that because

00:31:05.100 yeah she's too perfect she's too refined yeah and also she comes off as too conventionally attractive 1.00

00:31:09.520 to like he comes off as a dweeb in a way that is that undermines his air of superiority yeah a little

00:31:18.380 like duty hauser yeah before our generation yeah where it's like a little mouse that's squeaking about

00:31:25.980 how great it is and how don't you know and you see that and you're like oh that's really cute when a

00:31:32.020 beautiful woman comes up that looks styled and attractive conventionally and she starts doing the same 1.00

00:31:38.240 little mouse speech you're like whoa chill the and i think that was something that he didn't

00:31:44.300 understand he thinks that the world views him and likes him for the way he wants to be seen

00:31:50.080 instead of as this alternate nerd character i'm even thinking like a lot of her videos are about

00:31:58.660 etiquette and just like how to live better and i'm thinking about how in the past genuinely we'll say

00:32:06.320 classical women have executed this successfully and even they have done it in a very vitalistic 1.00

00:32:14.440 and slapstick kind of way so i'm thinking about my beloved like 1950s 1940s emily post etiquette books

00:32:23.400 and just how incredibly snarky they are how she in the most delicate and beautiful terms

00:32:31.840 throws shade fat people calling them those inclined to rotundities and all these sorts of things and

00:32:38.420 it's an increasing casting shade so much throughout every single thing it's extremely snarky it's

00:32:44.580 extremely biting it's extremely humorous and it's not just emily post your other hero you used to have

00:32:50.380 all of martha stewart's books growing up yeah martha stewart threw her weight around it was

00:32:57.120 not if you're trying to compare her to a modern figure she was closer to a no no there is a modern 0.97

00:33:04.300 martha stewart and she also gets tons of attention and it's nara smith talk about her i don't know 0.60

00:33:09.700 nara smith is the trad wife influencer who does those insane tiktok videos where she's like oh my 1.00

00:33:17.080 my child told me that they wanted french toast crunch this morning and so i then she like makes 0.92

00:33:23.860 cereal from scratch baking each individual grain of cereal that kind of yeah so that's what and

00:33:31.980 that's what martha stewart did in her original time oh like i'm going to do everything from scratch and 0.99

00:33:36.420 build an entire birthday party's worth of accessories all before a birthday party she the modern nara smith 1.00

00:33:42.260 is totally riffing on that and i can't believe it and so far none of the commentators on her brought

00:33:45.980 that up they just call it rage bait but it's the same kind of thing it's over the top it's extra and

00:33:52.400 yeah i actually think martha stewart was a little bit more of a ben shapiro and here's why 0.63

00:33:58.020 martha stewart came from a lower income polish immigrant family her last name was kostyra 0.92

00:34:07.040 she always had a big chip on her shoulder about that and went out of her way to develop a different

00:34:13.800 accent a different cadence of a woman who was far more high class and then she kept her ex-husband's

00:34:19.040 last name stewart because it sounded super waspy so she was always this this fairly status anxious

00:34:26.760 woman cosplaying as a very waspy wealthy i hear you and maybe this was a mistake on her part but to 1.00

00:34:33.720 me and i think no no but comes across is overblown and as a larp and it's like ben shapiro being like

00:34:39.900 and you're just like oh my god this is so cute and it's amazing but this is this is actually a good

00:34:45.200 point that's the point i'm making classy was a larp and was obviously a larp yeah abby's classy

00:34:53.080 is i was born wealthy and i am she was born wealthy and she's just being wealthy and she's 0.98

00:34:57.840 why can't you just be wealthy obviously and that's why it comes across as ai here's the final point on

00:35:04.520 ben shapiro because i hadn't really thought about it until now where i was like ben shapiro is actually

00:35:09.560 famous what actually appeals to people is what a nerdy dweeb he is like that's the model that is

00:35:15.640 popular among his fans that is how he has captured the public attention but he personally is unaware of

00:35:25.520 this and denies this um because of that that also i think it's easy to deny it when you're as famous and

00:35:33.140 wealthy now as he is too yeah but i think that is why he hates us so much is because we as they say

00:35:41.980 like the things you don't like about yourself i'm sure there's a part of his brain that is aware

00:35:47.460 he was for a generation the conservative nerd who pushed cultural boundaries and wasn't your classical

00:35:55.480 christian and he sees that in us and it forces him to reflect a little bit on a portion of his own

00:36:06.540 rise to fame that he doesn't want to reflect on and an aspect of the way he's seen by the world that

00:36:12.580 he doesn't want to reflect on we also just have punchable faces i don't know what to tell you

00:36:16.980 he does too that's the thing we're ah and he sees his own punchable face in the mirror so that is

00:36:24.320 what i think is going on there i do think that classical abby could easily drift in a different 0.98

00:36:30.160 direction create a content that is more like why she holds the belief she holds instead of this is

00:36:37.060 what's right this is what's wrong and i think it would probably perform better in the algorithm

00:36:41.400 and to focus on beliefs that cut the dominant conservative narrative those are the videos that

00:36:47.280 people are going to find interesting from you if i was to give her advice dear abby if you would like

00:36:52.280 to come on based camp you are always welcome you share your spicy takes with us yes you are

00:36:57.780 extremely welcome here we would love to have you on yeah absolutely and and even ben he seems like

00:37:04.880 somebody who would be our friend if he could get over trying to fit in with the cool kids but i also

00:37:08.760 understand what you're saying there is social cost to him though is the cool kids are they really 1.00

00:37:14.060 your friends if they'll turn on you the moment you act yourself yeah fuck them fuck them and that's 1.00

00:37:22.560 also what's cool about our audience is we are uncancelable within our audience because we are who we tell 1.00

00:37:29.640 them we are yeah and our audience we're definitely the the great thing about base camp listeners is

00:37:35.060 most do not agree with us it's they're not here because they agree with us and if we were to change

00:37:40.420 our mind on something or express our view they disagree with they're not going to go away

00:37:44.380 because sometimes they're just here to hate watch or they're just no i don't think it's just here to

00:37:49.160 hate watch i think we get very few hate watchers i say they're here because here is an active

00:37:53.660 intellectual conversation yeah that's about what's going to be the dominant conservative narrative next

00:37:58.280 and most of the political landscape today is not a living conversation yeah yeah yeah a conversation

00:38:05.360 about how to enforce uh x group's value system and not about can we like improve this can we improve

00:38:13.340 that and i think that that is why people are here when they don't agree with us because they're aware

00:38:20.220 that this is an active conversation where people are including ourselves changing our mind when

00:38:27.020 presented with new arguments yeah and that is really exciting to me to be part of a community like

00:38:32.680 that and i think that's why most of the we have so much reach within the intellectually active

00:38:37.060 conservative community these days or at least the young ones the other agendom i wanted to add here

00:38:41.580 was classically abby and kids in every one of the pictures where she has a kid she is tastefully

00:38:49.520 hiding the child's face classic yeah i know so classic so classy but here's the problem hiding children

00:38:58.600 from the world is not pronatalist or good we used to share the joys of rearing with our communities

00:39:05.080 and through that normalized parenting and developed and proliferated parenting strategies that actually

00:39:12.140 work outside of an academic context we have lost that when you stop sharing children with the world

00:39:21.940 when you stop sharing being a parent with the world is it any wonder that the world has forgotten

00:39:28.680 how to be a parent and i just i have to re-elevate what you pointed out to me that oh one of our

00:39:35.420 podcast listeners on the discord had pointed out which is that the childless and anti-natalist

00:39:42.900 internet elite especially females benefit from shaming having kids on camera because it is a 1.00

00:39:50.440 kids on camera are way to like steal attention and be a thirst trap of babies because kids are cute

00:39:55.420 they can be it's the weapon parents have against non-parents in the culture war but if parents

00:40:01.160 aren't allowed to post their kids then all they have is their gross mom bods and dad bods that no 1.00

00:40:07.480 one wants to see through disarming parents they ensure their victory and culturally backing down on this

00:40:13.500 point i don't think any conservative family should ever one iota back down on this point

00:40:20.320 being a parent is not something you need to hide from the world you can watch our video on the

00:40:24.160 ethics of showing our kids on camera where actually i think that kids will end up much better off

00:40:29.300 especially in a world where everything you do is being recorded to being reminded that everything

00:40:35.080 they're doing is being recorded so they don't accidentally go on that teenage tirade that right

00:40:40.420 now is career destroying and obviously there's a lot of benefits to having kids on camera and the costs

00:40:47.340 are just so low in our existing environment people in the adult world when you enter that world people 0.68

00:40:54.300 are like well what if they don't consent and it's like well kids can consent largely speaking to this

00:40:58.940 like my kid can tell me when he doesn't want to be on camera and we have never ever had one of our

00:41:02.760 kids on camera that didn't want to be on camera um if you're wondering about infants and you're like

00:41:07.920 well the infant can't consent but it's also like yeah but the infant's consent is irrelevant

00:41:12.400 because nothing an infant does on camera while it's an infant can negatively affect their adult

00:41:18.800 life therefore their consent is irrelevant i can't imagine there's never been an instance

00:41:23.700 in which they are on camera yeah there's never been an instance but like we would hold a really strict

00:41:30.660 line on that and then people are like they're too young to knowledgeably consent to something like

00:41:37.220 that and it's yes but fortunately that's taken into the context where the negative ramifications

00:41:43.040 from this can come i.e when they are older and they have to deal with the ramifications of something

00:41:48.740 they said when they were 11 the world's going to take that they were 11 into context okay where if you

00:41:54.380 look at other things that are being normalized if they medically transition their gender when they're 11

00:41:59.360 and they're 27 they can't go back from that in the same way it's not reversible and nobody can be

00:42:05.400 like i understand the context therefore it doesn't count those things count and so it's important to

00:42:10.520 remember that there are inherital inherent societal buffers any negative repercussions that can come

00:42:17.080 from showing your kids within these contexts and when we allow progressives to win that culture war

00:42:23.800 of normalization never showing kids in an online context then kids never get seen if that's the core

00:42:30.300 media source and parents never get seen and parenting never gets seen and that is really

00:42:36.960 well and then what what does get elevated is empty consumerism it's travel it's being a thirst trap this

00:42:43.160 is all stuff that's very ephemeral that no one's going to have for life and yeah just it's uh it's not

00:42:48.900 ultimately inherently fulfilling or really all that pro-social or griffith's society instead of the

00:42:53.900 miracle of creating a human being and raising that person and trying to give them the best shot possible

00:42:59.580 in life and the best life possible which is actually something beautiful yeah so if you're

00:43:05.100 watching this and you made it to the end we love you please if you haven't already and subscribe

00:43:10.800 oh and check out the discord you want to talk about an active conversation discord

00:43:15.760 yeah genuinely it's a great conversation over there malcolm constantly shares it with me because

00:43:20.360 he's constantly checking it and if the conversations are as good as if not probably no better than ours

00:43:26.320 here honestly yeah i would say most of the episode discussions if you're like i found that intellectually

00:43:31.900 stimulating and i wish i could watch another hour on that one topic you just did but with additional

00:43:37.760 viewpoints like with the catholic viewpoint and with the mormon viewpoint and with the orthodox jewish

00:43:42.220 it's just so great it's okay yeah like on the catholic fertility rate ones that one had a great

00:43:46.840 conversation on the discord go to the discord go to the episode discussion section and it's a lot more

00:43:51.800 interactive and full than the comments on youtube because of course and i i think you'll really

00:43:58.380 enjoy it because the quality of the conversations and i agree with someone i actually think is maybe

00:44:04.200 even a little higher than the quality on this show yeah because you know who are we kind of think

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Based Camp - July 01, 2024

The Perplexing Failure of Classically Abby (Ben Shapiro's Sister)

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