Based Camp - January 10, 2024


The Real Immigration Crisis： Sending Back Skilled Immigrants & Keeping S＊＊＊＊ Ones

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indentured servitude contracts sterilization of immigrant communities Muslim immigrants
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Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
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Trump Frederick Douglass Oliver Anson Nick Fuentes Durian Pass Obama
People Used to Like Their Parents The Human Body is a Disposable Tool with a Shelf Life

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In this episode, we discuss immigration, racism, and white privilege. We discuss how white privilege is the root cause of all evil, and how we should all work together to fight against it. We also talk about the role of white privilege in our society, and why it is a problem.

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00:00:00.000 You know, you look at Silicon Valley. Right. I think it's the majority or at least a huge chunk of the unicorn founders are first generation or second generation immigrants.
00:00:09.160 A lot. Yeah. That is what creates the economic dynamism of our country, because as we get further and further from this period of trial and it is that period of trial that makes us truly Americans, we become less American.
00:00:22.960 We become more indolent. We become more pathetic. Right. And we can undergo this trial again, but we need to commit to it. 0.98
00:00:31.420 I mean, keep in mind, every majority Catholic immigrant population that has ever come to America has come with gangs. The Irish, the mob, the Italians, the mafia, you know, the Hispanics, you get the R15 or whatever it's called. 1.00
00:00:42.120 Like, yeah, OK, but this country is better for our Italian and Irish immigrant population. 0.96
00:00:48.140 You know, sometimes I'll be talking to another Republican and they'll be like, I don't like Muslim culture. 1.00
00:00:55.300 And I'm like, do you like Trump? It's like, OK, well, then you definitely like Persian culture.
00:01:00.220 If a first generation legal immigrant is ever going on welfare, they should be immediately expelled from the country. 1.00
00:01:04.340 Well, I mean, we hold similar stances for anyone who is a drain on the nations.
00:01:08.500 Would you like to know more?
00:01:10.400 Immigration, man. 1.00
00:01:11.980 Immigration. Yeah, I think that the conservative movement in the way that they relate to immigration
00:01:16.480 has kind of lost the plot of what it means to be an American.
00:01:20.560 Same with the progressive movement.
00:01:22.740 Oh, yeah, they've lost the plot as well.
00:01:24.760 Like, both movements absolutely have lost the plot.
00:01:28.140 But I think that if you look at the conservative base, they haven't.
00:01:30.940 When I talk about the conservative movement, I'm talking about these elites who don't understand what the base actually wants.
00:01:35.220 You know, you look at Oliver Anson, the guy who wrote Richmond, North of Richmond.
00:01:39.020 Great song, by the way, if you haven't checked it out.
00:01:40.760 And he says America's greatest strengths of their diversity and the people who are telling you otherwise are trying to manipulate you.
00:01:47.260 He's telling the truth.
00:01:48.580 You know, when we point out in our video on one of the greatest lies ever told to the American public that there is a racist conservative base that are more racist than the Democrats, it's just a lie.
00:01:58.260 Like, you look at FiveThirtyEight polling and up until Obama was elected, more white Democrats wouldn't vote for black presidents than white Republicans.
00:02:04.900 The situation is actually elucidated as being even worse than this in a recent set of studies, where it showed that the more Democrats you had in a region, the worse both black and Hispanic populations did when contrasted with the local white populations.
00:02:21.220 So having Republicans, even modern Republicans, as your politicians in a region or having a lot of the people who you are interacting with be Republicans in a region, you are going to do disproportionately well off when contrasted with the average population if you are black and Hispanic, even today. 0.97
00:02:39.360 But the Republican elites have gained their idea about what Americans think from the progressive stereotypes of what their base thinks, because they don't actually have a connection to their base, because most of their friends are progressives, and they're just acting out some idiotic role.
00:02:56.000 I also want to take a moment here to address some of our fans who watch this and will sometimes comment things like, why are you guys so against ethnocentrism?
00:03:03.380 Because I can understand to somebody that it might not seem like such a bad thing to care about your ethnic group over other ethnic groups.
00:03:11.300 And this is a bit like somebody not understanding when they're from a different cultural group, and I'm like, it's a bad thing to promote your family members to government positions, even if they don't deserve those positions.
00:03:22.680 And they're like, what? No. Nepotism is intrinsically ethical. I'm just helping family. Helping family is always right.
00:03:29.160 And it's like, well, it's not always right when it hurts society at large.
00:03:33.380 And this is the same thing with pretty much all forms of ethnocentrism.
00:03:37.460 It's showing a short-term preference for people who are similar to you genetically over a long-term preference for the good of society and the good of our species.
00:03:46.380 Because if you look, if you're thinking, 100,000 years, a million years out, are black people, white people, Hispanic people going to exist?
00:03:53.620 No, obviously not. Therefore, any sort of preference for these groups, especially if you're specifically giving preference to groups that are more like your own, shows a preference for personal vanity and vanity of the self over the long-term best interest of our species.
00:04:10.300 It is showing oneself to be a traitor to the best interest of the human species in the long run.
00:04:17.120 And a traitor to their nation in the long run, because clearly it's not in the best interest of their nation either.
00:04:22.340 What is in the best interest is to always promote and advance whoever is meritocratically best.
00:04:28.580 And again, because this is the way we see what racism really is, we see Democrats as much more racist than Republicans through the enacting of things like affirmative action.
00:04:37.580 Because ethnocentrism isn't, you know, a monopoly held by white people.
00:04:41.540 And you can be ethnocentric for other races as well, which is what the Democrats absolutely are.
00:04:47.040 And as we see from the previous polls that I just mentioned here, this affirmative action is obviously hurting these populations in the long run, as can be seen by the more Democrat a region is, the less achievement or differential achievement you see between the local white population and either the black or Hispanic population.
00:05:04.660 So the way I see it, there is no middle ground here.
00:05:07.520 You either live to serve the human species and live to advance the interests of the human species, or you live to serve yourself and advance the interests of yourself.
00:05:15.760 Of course, there's the third group, which is the negative utilitarians, which live to undermine the interests of the human species, even at a cost to themselves. 0.98
00:05:24.680 So they obviously are a uniquely evil group.
00:05:27.560 But of the rest of the population, I really think it can easily, when I look at, like, who are our allies, they get split into those two categories.
00:05:35.300 Is their best interest the interest of the human species, or is their best interest serving themselves and people like them?
00:05:41.920 Once, somebody asked me if I knew the difference between a citizen and a civilian.
00:05:49.220 I can tell you now.
00:05:51.080 A citizen has the courage to make the safety of the human race their personal responsibility.
00:05:56.340 But when we talk about what it means to be an American and the way we relate to immigration, we have a very interesting perspective, which is I am pro-immigrant and pro-immigration, but I am not pro-making immigration easier or pro-making becoming a citizen easier.
00:06:12.340 And this really surprised people.
00:06:13.860 They're like, well, what about all of the immigrants that are dying on the way that they're coming here?
00:06:16.980 What about all of this difficulty in getting here?
00:06:19.340 What about, and I'm like, the point.
00:06:22.760 That's the way it's always been.
00:06:24.320 That's the reason why we're a strong country.
00:06:27.380 And we also need to keep in mind that not all immigrants are the same, right? 0.93
00:06:31.000 In the U.S., we've been blessed with an unusually productive immigrant population when contrasted with Europe, and we can get to why that is.
00:06:37.720 But the left, they say all immigrants good, right? 1.00
00:06:42.300 Obviously that's stupid. 1.00
00:06:43.340 But just as stupid as a perspective, all immigrants bad. 1.00
00:06:45.900 This is a nuanced issue, and what we need to do is implement rules that disproportionately filter for immigrants who make this country stronger, while also working to ensure that we do not memetically sterilize these individuals once we come to our country and treat them like a disposable resource, which is one of the things we're doing right now, which is really terrible. 1.00
00:07:05.580 Because of our low fertility rates, we are taking the best and the best from Africa. 1.00
00:07:08.520 We're taking the best and the best from South America.
00:07:10.480 And then we are sterilizing them.
00:07:11.720 And you look, the average immigrant fertility rate the last time I looked in the U.S. was 0.7, so certainly lower now.
00:07:16.860 First-generation immigrant, which is about the same as the mainline population in the U.S., which is not good. 0.99
00:07:21.740 You know, so we are exhausting this resource, both culturally, genetically, everything like that, all around the world.
00:07:28.300 So it's something that we need to talk about.
00:07:29.640 But America, everyone in America, or almost everyone in America, is a descendant from some group that underwent enormous hardship to be here.
00:07:40.700 And I think that a lot of people just don't understand that because that's not what's really taught in the school system.
00:07:46.080 They're like, well, yeah, I mean, obviously, like, the African slaves underwent enormous hardship, which they did to be here.
00:07:51.620 But the whites, you know, they came under these indentured servitude contracts in big numbers.
00:07:56.980 And these, you know, they worked their way out of these really quickly.
00:08:00.780 And this is because they've never actually studied what happened in the indentured servitude contracts.
00:08:05.120 So out of every 10 that came over, 7 of them died, not survived, 3 survived out of every 10 that came over on indentured servitude contracts.
00:08:19.360 A lot of people think that these—
00:08:20.400 You don't want to pay them at the end.
00:08:21.540 The whole thing is that, like, they work, and then you have to give them land.
00:08:25.020 Well, yeah, so this is what a lot of people don't know is the way that these contracts worked, is if they lived to the end of their contract, you had to give them a portion of your land.
00:08:35.120 Of your assets.
00:08:36.520 Yeah, there was every incentive to make sure that they didn't make it.
00:08:38.600 But you didn't have to pay them if they died.
00:08:40.760 Yeah.
00:08:41.280 You didn't have to do anything if they died.
00:08:43.540 Mm-hmm.
00:08:44.640 The situation that these people were under was genuinely horrifying if you think about the incentives and why the death rate was so high in this community.
00:08:56.960 And also keep in mind, many didn't come over with consent.
00:08:59.200 This wasn't a choice that many indentured servants made.
00:09:03.120 So it's also not exactly, you know—
00:09:05.120 Why do you say that?
00:09:05.820 I don't think that's true.
00:09:07.320 A lot—and I guess I need to, like, research this.
00:09:10.880 But if I'm remembering correctly, a lot of people sometimes were criminals and sent over as part of their sentence.
00:09:16.720 They were indentured.
00:09:17.040 But they depended on which colonies they were going to, the north and the south.
00:09:19.800 Mm-hmm.
00:09:20.260 But yeah, you're right.
00:09:20.860 Okay, so I went to go check this.
00:09:22.720 In the early colonial period, likely over half and perhaps upwards of two-thirds arrived voluntarily.
00:09:29.220 These were primarily immigrants from Europe looking for economic opportunity.
00:09:33.300 However, conditions were still harsh.
00:09:35.420 Over time, especially in the late 1600s and early 1700s, an increasing number were convicted laborers,
00:09:41.360 essentially exiled from countries like Britain, against their will.
00:09:44.520 Estimates vary, but they may have made up 30 to 50 percent of some colony's servant populations.
00:09:49.480 Additionally, thousands of children were forcibly taken from poverty in Britain and sent to colonies like Virginia to do labor.
00:09:57.260 So you had that situation with a portion of the population.
00:10:00.420 You had the very earliest settlers.
00:10:02.000 Anyone who has studied, like, what happened at Roanoke?
00:10:04.220 What happened there?
00:10:04.740 Like, yeah, but what are the people who didn't have to come over as indentured settlers?
00:10:07.020 Very, very earliest settlers.
00:10:08.980 It was incredibly trying, and a huge portion of them died.
00:10:13.980 They're like, okay, okay, okay.
00:10:15.080 But then what about later immigrant groups?
00:10:16.640 Like, the Irish, right? 0.57
00:10:18.200 If you study the ships that came over with the Irish immigrants during the big immigration wave, there are reports of, like, ships opening, and most of the people had starved.
00:10:32.820 Most of the people had starved or died of something else, and it was just a few living humans on this ship.
00:10:39.460 Now, again, we should not underplay the horrors of slavery.
00:10:42.540 When the slaves were coming over, if you look at the designs of the way these ships were held, where they were chained, and they had to live in their excrement and feces, and then when they would have problems, they would just dump slaves like ballast into the ocean.
00:10:55.740 Like, it was horrifying.
00:10:56.760 You look at the Irish immigrants – sorry, the Italian immigrants. 1.00
00:11:01.480 People were like, yeah, but the Italians didn't have it that bad.
00:11:03.920 Frederick Douglass.
00:11:04.960 Frederick Douglass, escaped slave, famous African advocate.
00:11:08.520 In one of his letters to the Christian Tribune, I want to say, he said that the – he went to Italy during this period, South Italy, and he said that while their situations were similar, the average Italian had it worse than the average.
00:11:22.060 In his words – gosh, I remember reading this clear as day in a history textbook a long time ago, but I cannot find the original source anymore, even though I remember where the letter was sent and everything.
00:11:33.560 So make of that what you will.
00:11:35.380 If anyone can find what I'm thinking of here, let me know in the comments.
00:11:38.240 But, like, it was terrible for most of these immigrant groups in a way that is so much worse than what we are taught about in the standard public education system today.
00:11:51.340 If you read about the potato family – because people don't know how bad the potato family is.
00:11:54.560 Oh, my gosh.
00:11:56.000 There is accounts of people walking into cities that were ghost towns, just, you know, starved people all over the streets, and then they notice that the corpse's eyes are tracking them.
00:12:07.220 And then they realized it's not skeletons.
00:12:11.380 It's literally, like, a city of zombified, almost humans being mummified alive.
00:12:17.520 It is – they go into houses and there's children and families cuddled up together.
00:12:21.620 It was, like, one member still having eyes tracking them.
00:12:24.680 Like, it is – the level of horror is almost indescribable.
00:12:30.260 If you look at what people had to go through, like, the Donner Party, if you look at what the early Mormons had to go through in these crusades out west as they migrated out to these areas, it was genuinely horrifying.
00:12:44.640 And then what the Native Americans went through, genuinely horrifying.
00:12:46.860 What America is made up of is people, lots of people, who underwent great trials to be here.
00:12:54.920 Well, this is one thing that gets me so mad when people are like, is the American dream dead?
00:13:00.140 And I'm like, I'm sorry.
00:13:01.620 Like, are you aware of what the American dream has been for the vast majority of American history?
00:13:06.260 You wouldn't have immigrants if the American dream was dead. 1.00
00:13:08.520 Well, the American dream involves a lot of struggle, a lot of sacrifice.
00:13:12.780 I think people think American dream means that without working at all, I get a two-car garage and a big screen TV, and I don't really have to work.
00:13:22.160 And it's like, no, no, no.
00:13:22.920 That is never – the American dream has always been that if you work your ass off, you have a shot, a shot at building a better future.
00:13:34.140 And not a guarantee.
00:13:35.540 For your children, not even for you.
00:13:37.220 For your children, not even for you.
00:13:38.220 Exactly.
00:13:39.480 And you look at what immigrants want for their kids, and this is what they want, which makes it even more horrifying that these groups are being sterilized.
00:13:45.020 Their children are being taken from them and then march through the centers of the power centers of our society in displays of Western culture or the urban monoculture's victory over their lesser native cultures or the cultures that they immigrated with.
00:14:00.640 That, you know, resemble Roman triumphs over their enemies.
00:14:04.560 To think of all of the things that these individuals sacrificed, and then they came here, and then all of that was taken from them.
00:14:10.820 Clarify.
00:14:11.380 When people say, I came to a country for my kids, what they mean is I came to a country for my descendants.
00:14:17.280 Not so their individual children could live these lives of opulent hedonism, doing whatever they want, whenever they want, completely spitting on their parents' sacrifice.
00:14:26.920 It reminded me, you know, we had a reporter who was talking to us once, and she was an Indian immigrant who hadn't had kids.
00:14:33.180 And she's like, well, I came here, and then I acclimatized, sorry, a daughter of Indian immigrants.
00:14:37.780 You know, her parents sacrificed everything to give her this good life.
00:14:40.560 And I'm saying, I don't want these other communities to be sterilized in the way that your family was sterilized.
00:14:45.340 And she's like, but, you know, I have the right to do that, because that happened to me, basically, was her logic.
00:14:51.020 I have the right to take these other people's children and sterilize them, because that happened to me. 0.76
00:14:55.860 And I'm like, no, when these other communities came to America, historically, whether they're Irish, Italian, anything else, there were always people complaining.
00:15:01.400 And you can see these great, you know, one of my favorite political cartoons is like a bunch of, you see it, there's a bunch of white sons of immigrants trying to keep out other white sons of immigrants out. 0.84
00:15:10.100 Like this idea of keeping out immigrants is not tied to ethnicity.
00:15:15.080 They were always sure that these immigrant groups were going to destroy the nature of our country. 1.00
00:15:20.340 And yet it evolved the nature of our country.
00:15:22.960 But being good is the cycle of intergenerational improvement.
00:15:28.120 And if it is luxury that is causing your group or your community to become sterilized, then maybe you do deserve to become extinct.
00:15:35.460 But we shouldn't be luring other people here without telling them or fully educating them on the risks that they are undertaking and coming here in terms of actually making life better for their children.
00:15:45.100 And we talk about what immigrants add to our country. 1.00
00:15:46.960 You know, you look at Silicon Valley, right?
00:15:49.080 I think it's the majority or at least a huge chunk of the, you know, unicorn founders are first generation or second generation immigrants.
00:15:56.260 A lot, yeah.
00:15:56.780 That is what creates the economic dynamism of our country because as we get further and further from this period of trial, and it is that period of trial that makes us truly Americans, we become less American.
00:16:09.960 We become more indolent. 0.96
00:16:11.140 We become more pathetic, right? 0.66
00:16:14.180 And we can undergo this trial again, but we need to commit to it and we need to look into and study the immigrant populations that we are descended from and truly understand what was sacrificed to give us the lives that we have and try to live with that in mind every day. 0.92
00:16:34.740 How much did my parents suffer?
00:16:36.280 How much did my parents suffer under, you know, the early immigrant period, under slavery, under, you know, whatever?
00:16:42.840 Like, and that is your motivation to do better and improve your community.
00:16:48.520 While also, you know, when you improve your community, you often, as a side effect, improve the country as a whole.
00:16:54.600 Absolutely, yeah.
00:16:55.840 And so this is a very interesting perspective that we take is we are not pro-assimilation, not hugely.
00:17:01.980 Now, Europe is a different situation.
00:17:03.560 Europe gets, honestly, much worse immigrants than we get in the U.S. in terms of the economic productivity of these groups because there just are not the same trials to immigrate into Europe. 0.70
00:17:12.020 As there are to immigrate into America. 0.87
00:17:13.800 Yeah.
00:17:14.140 There is no Durian Pass.
00:17:15.780 There is no, like, it's a very different phenomenon for these individuals.
00:17:21.280 Wait, Durian Pass?
00:17:22.540 Is this a phrase I'm, like, the fruit?
00:17:26.320 No, the Durian Pass is a pass where Central America connects to South America.
00:17:31.440 Oh, a pass.
00:17:32.300 Okay, so there is no hazardous route.
00:17:35.060 I thought, like, you were referring to the-
00:17:36.700 No, it is a hazardous route.
00:17:38.160 It's like there's no roads.
00:17:39.740 I thought you were referring to the Durian Pass, as in, like, you have to eat the really smelly fruit.
00:17:47.700 No, no, no.
00:17:48.100 Okay.
00:17:48.480 And you can look at, you know, videos of what these people are going through.
00:17:50.820 It is genuinely harrowing.
00:17:52.380 This is not a cakewalk.
00:17:53.560 And they are going through hostile countries that don't want them there.
00:17:56.040 You know, you get to America.
00:17:57.640 Yeah, America doesn't want immigrants traveling through their country. 1.00
00:18:00.140 You know who wants it less?
00:18:01.140 Mexico. 0.68
00:18:01.500 Mexico is incredibly hostile and racist and has much more anti-immigrant policies than American does towards other Latin American immigrants.
00:18:09.220 It's really funny.
00:18:09.940 These Arizona laws that everyone was freaking out about when they were, I can't remember, there's some laws in Arizona and everyone was like, this is horrible.
00:18:15.640 You could just ask anyone for their ID cards, you know, whenever you want, you know, that's totalitarian.
00:18:21.640 That's anti-Hispanic. 0.98
00:18:23.640 Those laws had been in Mexico for, like, a decade.
00:18:27.340 Like, nobody cared.
00:18:28.220 Nobody knew.
00:18:28.720 Nobody actually focused on what was happening.
00:18:32.060 And that is because we are more identified as Americans as a country of immigration than Mexico is.
00:18:40.780 So we feel this instinctualness.
00:18:41.980 But I think progressives are unreasonable in how easy they want to make this for immigrants and the way that that causes our country to suffer. 0.98
00:18:50.900 But I also think that as conservatives, when you meet immigrants in this country, you know, they are people who have gone through enormous hardship often to be here.
00:19:00.500 And that shows their worthiness of being here.
00:19:04.080 In many ways, you know, they're like, well, at least make them legal.
00:19:07.460 Is the life of a legal immigrant harder than the life of an illegal immigrant?
00:19:10.160 No, I think it's easier.
00:19:11.000 And in that respect, the life of an illegal immigrant is more American to me, more showing. 0.67
00:19:16.040 But also, we've got to keep in mind that the immigrants we get from every country isn't the same, you know. 0.93
00:19:21.220 I was talking about this in a previous video, almost like olive oil, you know, like the first squeeze of a country is typically going to be the best.
00:19:26.940 You know, in countries where you get one squeeze and then it's done, you're typically going to get the very, very best early on, you know, like Cuba or something like that.
00:19:34.800 Or, you know, Taiwan being made up of Chinese immigrants, right?
00:19:38.260 Like they have this super advantage of being all of the economically successful people in the country or a huge chunk of them when the communist revolution was happening.
00:19:47.000 And it's the same, you know, for us, when you see people from different countries, they are not the same. 0.72
00:19:53.260 You know, it is not the same to get immigrant refugees that absolutely have to leave with their country.
00:19:57.360 Like this is an area where I actually feel pretty strong.
00:19:59.320 Not pro-refugee immigrants. 1.00
00:20:00.880 If they are leaving because they had to leave from their country, not because they choose to leave from their country, they are not leaving because of a cultural alignment with what makes America, America, which is this intergenerational improvement and desire to do better even when you don't have to leave your country.
00:20:17.060 Yeah.
00:20:17.580 Well, and who really impresses me is like we have a business in Peru and we have employees in Peru and we've met a bunch of people there.
00:20:27.300 The people that we know who are trying to immigrate to the United States are hands down not only like the most talented and ambitious, but also the most affluent.
00:20:43.060 You know, to a certain extent because it's actually kind of hard and expensive and difficult to immigrate to the United States.
00:20:47.020 This is really interesting, yeah, because we know a lot of people who live in Latin America and the best people we know in Latin America are the most affluent people.
00:20:52.300 And we're like, oh my gosh, like, and I get really frustrated because I see how hard it is for them.
00:20:56.980 I see they walk me through the steps they're going through.
00:20:58.960 It is insane how hard it is to immigrate to the U.S.
00:21:01.780 And when you're doing it legitimately, which is what they're doing.
00:21:04.640 But like we want these people.
00:21:07.280 And I mean, if anything, I feel kind of bad that the United States is brain draining such talented and amazing people from the nation.
00:21:15.520 Yeah, so I'm not pro our exact existing immigration system.
00:21:19.000 I think our immigration system shouldn't be a lottery or anything like that.
00:21:22.060 It should be based on merit.
00:21:23.640 You know, it isn't saying that we have the best universities in the world and then we kick out these people after they get PhDs.
00:21:29.200 I know, what on earth?
00:21:30.800 You know, if somebody has a potential for high economic productivity, we should easily allow them in.
00:21:37.420 There should be multiple ways that people can complete the trial to become an American citizen.
00:21:41.220 Exactly.
00:21:41.460 And one of them should be proving economic productivity.
00:21:44.560 Anyone who is economically productive could make a good American citizen, I think.
00:21:49.380 And I'm very pro moving our immigration system in that direction, as Trump tried to.
00:21:54.200 But he was prevented to from the right as well as the left.
00:21:57.140 And this was he tried to.
00:21:59.960 I thought like my impression was he was just entirely blocked by by the deep state.
00:22:04.520 It wasn't even like I mean, yeah, like obviously the left was against it, but like it was just more of right needs to rally around this more.
00:22:11.460 To understand that we like America matters, like as a unit, it matters.
00:22:16.420 Right.
00:22:17.340 And we win, you know, I'll never understand groups like like Nick Fuentes, right, who is a Catholic integralist.
00:22:25.900 You know, he wants the entire world to be under a Catholic caliphate trying to keep out immigrants. 0.94
00:22:29.880 You know, like he's also famously anti-Hispanic immigrant.
00:22:32.480 I'm like, these are mostly tradcasts. 0.99
00:22:34.480 Like, what are you fucking doing? 0.98
00:22:35.920 Yeah, dude. 0.99
00:22:36.680 Like this makes no sense.
00:22:38.600 If you think we can all live under a Catholic governing body, then, you know, clearly you think that they can work under our governing system.
00:22:46.040 Right.
00:22:46.320 And so I just it's it's it's sad to me.
00:22:50.160 And I think the truth is and anyone who's a Republican strategist sees this is the the future for conservatives winning is to win the Hispanic vote.
00:22:58.920 But they are like twice as big.
00:23:01.860 OK, but hold on.
00:23:02.780 Like, I would say the Hispanic vote is among the so legal immigrants to the United States and sometimes first and second generation.
00:23:10.700 And I thought we're among the most skeptical of immigration.
00:23:15.680 They're kind of like, OK, one and done.
00:23:17.680 Like, I'm I'm I'm here.
00:23:19.240 Let's shut it down.
00:23:20.480 No, they are.
00:23:21.520 They are uniquely, you know, they do have a unique amount of skepticism towards immigration.
00:23:25.380 But I'm not crazy there.
00:23:26.280 I think the left has been able to create a portrait of the right as being anti-Hispanic by appealing to these immigration issues.
00:23:33.880 And so I think that we need to do better at signaling what we're really about was immigration and do better at being pro-immigration, but pro-targeted immigration instead of, you know, untargeted immigration.
00:23:49.300 And I think that like lottery based immigration, I don't think that's a good idea.
00:23:53.740 And so, yeah, these communities, I think if you just show, you know, that the conservative party understands that these individuals are conservative and values them and their communities.
00:24:03.340 They are like are we have a lot of Hispanic friend groups.
00:24:07.140 They are very, very ready to switch sides.
00:24:09.660 And we already see it happening at record numbers.
00:24:13.180 If you look at the statistics in terms of.
00:24:15.540 And well, and for other reasons, too.
00:24:16.880 I mean, I think there are a lot of immigrant groups have seen how progressive.
00:24:24.040 Groups have treated them and are kind of like, well, so long.
00:24:28.420 I see what you think of me.
00:24:29.980 We're done here.
00:24:32.000 Yeah.
00:24:32.140 And this is this is also true for Muslim immigrant groups.
00:24:35.820 There are various types of Muslim immigrants like like Muslims are not a monolith.
00:24:39.820 And if you look at the US, we often get like pretty good Muslim immigrants.
00:24:43.500 But the the economically productive Muslim immigrant groups are one very conservative and they are a huge boon to our country. 1.00
00:24:50.560 Whereas the the the uneconomically productive Muslim immigrants, the ones who are drains off the state in their existing country and plan to be drains off the state when they get to our country. 1.00
00:24:59.940 These individuals are genuinely dangerous. 0.75
00:25:02.320 And I understand the worry about these people as immigrant groups. 1.00
00:25:05.300 But when you are able to make this distinction and assist in the migration of educated, economically productive Muslim immigrant populations, you make it a lot harder for the left to come at you and and bring in more, you know, less productive and more dangerous immigrant groups under the insinuation that you're being Islamophobic.
00:25:28.040 And this is just like very obvious to me, you know, you look at like, for example, America, like you want to talk about like one of the most American dispositionally immigrant groups.
00:25:40.020 I know it's Persians like people are like, what are Persians personality wise? 1.00
00:25:44.000 They're just like Americans. 0.94
00:25:45.360 They're very proud, mercantilistic.
00:25:48.160 I often say that Trump reminds me of like he does not come off as American culturally to me.
00:25:54.400 He comes off as Persian culturally.
00:25:55.880 He does, though.
00:25:57.660 Very Persian. 0.98
00:25:58.620 It's like that sounds but also very American.
00:26:00.280 And like that's your point.
00:26:02.720 Yeah.
00:26:03.000 You know, sometimes I'll be talking to another Republican and they'll be like, oh, you know, I don't I don't like Muslims. 1.00
00:26:09.260 I don't like Muslim culture. 1.00
00:26:11.220 And it's because they are unaware of the diversity of Muslim culture.
00:26:14.660 I'm like, do you like Trump?
00:26:16.860 It's like, OK, well, then you definitely like Persian culture because that's just Persian culture. 0.97
00:26:21.660 All they want is to make the place really nice.
00:26:24.460 We're going to put down some lovely blue carpet and gold curtain rods.
00:26:29.060 I know it.
00:26:29.840 I know it.
00:26:32.060 For hours, the Lesbos kept the Persians back, holding them off, keeping them from decorating. 1.00
00:26:39.260 Finally, the Persians grew tired and many wanted to go shopping for more designer sunglasses. 0.72
00:26:48.220 A retreat.
00:26:48.920 That's my point is that that these things like like the Persians are a Muslim immigrant group, but they are not antithetical to Americanism.
00:26:56.440 They are not antithetical to our way of life.
00:26:58.440 And when we say we don't like Muslim immigrants, we need to be a bit more specific there because a lot of these Muslim groups, you know, the American Farsi population is fantastic and very economically productive and very dispositionally American.
00:27:13.420 Yeah, that's I think that is the really like underrated thing is is a lot of the news is look at these like Muslim populations in Europe.
00:27:23.980 No, no, these are these are just like they are people coming from Muslim majority countries.
00:27:28.080 But then like look at people who are coming from Muslim majority countries here.
00:27:31.400 They're affluent.
00:27:32.260 They're entrepreneurial.
00:27:33.520 They're killing it.
00:27:34.740 Like they're amazing.
00:27:35.680 They're wonderful like citizens.
00:27:37.360 Like you can't just I mean, it's like, yeah, it's not like, you know, we have criminals coming from, you know, majority Catholic countries, too.
00:27:49.880 Which we always have every majority like all those Catholics. 0.98
00:27:52.760 You got to watch out for the Catholic. 1.00
00:27:54.180 It's it's the Catholics that are bad. 1.00
00:27:55.540 No, it's no.
00:27:56.420 It's just like you're getting to word this a bit differently with our current largely unfiltered immigration system.
00:28:02.920 There are a lot of Hispanic immigrants that come into our country and are a drain on our national resources and on our welfare system. 1.00
00:28:11.320 Those immigrants are majority Catholic. 0.95
00:28:14.900 Yet I don't go out there and I think very few people would go out there and say that means Catholics are bad broadly as an immigrant group in the same way that if Europe has a problem with bad Muslim immigrants, it is just as fallacious to say Muslims are broadly bad as an immigrant group.
00:28:32.000 And note here that I am specifically speaking about Hispanic immigrants that then go disproportionately onto welfare, which is not all Hispanic immigrant groups in the U.S.
00:28:42.160 And again, this is the point that we're making.
00:28:44.060 It's you have to better differentiate between immigrant groups instead of grouping them in these giant lumps. 1.00
00:28:50.100 There are going to be economically productive pockets of almost any immigrant population.
00:28:55.040 And that's what we want coming into our country. 1.00
00:28:57.160 I mean, keep in mind, every majority Catholic immigrant population that has ever come to America has come with gangs, the Irish, the mob, the Italians, the mafia, you know, the Hispanics, you get the R15 or whatever it's called. 0.99
00:29:09.820 Like, yeah, OK, but this country is better for our Italian and Irish immigrant population.
00:29:17.540 And we will be better for just because they come with organized crime is if we said we need to keep them out because of that, then we would have kept out the Italians and the Irish because they also came with organized crime. 0.99
00:29:30.620 And it's just something that Catholic immigrant populations do.
00:29:35.380 Yeah. Well, and also, like the other thing is in in Sweden, there is a huge, huge, huge problem with crime that came with refugee immigrant populations in other nations that also received refugee immigrant populations. 0.99
00:29:47.400 They're not seeing the same amount of just like literal dead zones in cities that, you know, are like huge, huge crime problems because they crack down on it.
00:29:56.000 So a lot of this also comes down to like, OK, what are you doing in your cities and your states to crack down on behavior that you don't find to be acceptable?
00:30:04.000 And this is really true. And this is where being pro-immigrant does not mean anti-profiling.
00:30:08.540 Yeah. Right. Yeah. So if you are in the age of the Irish mob or the Italian mafia and somebody is coming up talking like an Italian mob guy, like and you're like, OK, you Italian immigrant, we're going to be extra harsh on you. 0.54
00:30:22.520 Yes. Yes. If someone's doing something not Italian.
00:30:26.660 Yeah. Like, don't let them do it. But also, like, don't stop entire groups of people because like five percent of them do a thing that's not cool.
00:30:35.340 Well, a lot of these countries, they have become insane in the way that they've handled this and that they don't even let you say this is a problem within our Muslim immigrant population.
00:30:46.100 And therefore, we need to disproportionately police our Muslim immigrant population. 0.98
00:30:50.120 When America had problems with our Irish immigrant population and when we had problems with our Italian immigrant population, America did need to disproportionately police those populations. 0.95
00:30:58.800 Like, duh. And we did. And there weren't people like saying, oh, this is a terrible thing that you're disproportionately policing the new immigrant populations.
00:31:05.200 Where crime is concentrated of this specific type. But again, you know, we do need to keep in mind that, again, not all immigrant populations are equal. 1.00
00:31:11.860 And the very best way to do this is to create challenges.
00:31:14.660 Like make it hard for low immigrant populations to come to the country, but make sure that they can always get in some way if they undergo enough sacrifices.
00:31:21.360 And then for high economic productivity in immigrant populations, make it easy.
00:31:26.080 That's the way I generally approach immigration.
00:31:29.560 There you go.
00:31:32.140 And yeah, I love you.
00:31:33.780 And I hope that we're able to convince people.
00:31:36.020 Like, I think that it's inevitable that the conservatives switch on this because it is so obvious to me and everyone who's a Republican strategist that I talk to that the Hispanic vote is going to be a defining vote of the conservative movement moving forwards.
00:31:48.740 And that while this vote is skeptical of immigration, they are not as anti, you know, as some of these other individuals.
00:31:55.380 And some of the stuff that's been happening is wrong and we need to find ways to improve the way that we are engaging with immigrants and treating immigrants.
00:32:04.760 Agreed.
00:32:05.260 There's a lot that can be done.
00:32:08.140 And I'd point out, you know, other people entering this country, so long as they're not on the dole. 0.99
00:32:11.780 And this is the thing.
00:32:12.380 When they do come into this country, they are on the dole, which is a disproportionate problem within some immigrant populations.
00:32:16.260 Kick them out.
00:32:17.340 Immediately.
00:32:17.620 I think even if they're a legal immigrant, if a first-generation legal immigrant is ever going on welfare, they should be immediately expelled from the country. 1.00
00:32:24.020 Well, I mean, we hold similar stances for anyone who is a drain on the nation.
00:32:28.060 So, you know, equal opportunity here.
00:32:29.780 But, yeah, 100%.
00:32:31.540 But if they're not, then they're not preventing you from having kids.
00:32:35.060 You know, they're not interfering your cultural group.
00:32:38.280 They're contributing to your GDP.
00:32:40.120 They're providing services.
00:32:41.480 And they're improving their own circumstances.
00:32:43.340 Leave them alone.
00:32:44.620 Yeah.
00:32:44.860 I love you to Decimone.
00:32:46.560 I love you too, gorgeous.