The "Shocking" History of Islam & Dogs (Explains Hasan Piker & Kaya!)
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Why do muslims like torturing dogs? Why do they have a hatred for black dogs? And why do they keep them as pets? In this episode, we look at the history of Islam's hatred of dogs, and how this ties into the Hasan Piker controversy.
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the young turks exiled 30 000 to 80 000 istanbul strays to an island where most died now fun fact
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here this is turkey that we're talking about again the country where he lived but did you know who
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has a show called the young turks yeah saint uger his uncle so to say that saint uger was willing
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to lionize a group that systematically genocided 30 000 to 80 000 dogs in istanbul right oh my
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goodness that this is the environment that hassan would have grown up in now his behavior and
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perspective towards dogs makes more sense would you like to know more hello simone i am excited to be
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here today today we are going to be discussing something that might be a lot deeper of a topic
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than our fans might expect which is why do muslims like torturing dogs um what hold on we need to
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because people might think i am being like wild here or something like that yeah or so i remember
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when you did something similar with jews and dogs and then even like a bunch of jews that we just
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spoke with were like no jews are fine with dogs and you're like what about this and what about this and
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they're like oh my god i had no idea that my culture was historically pretty antagonistic to
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dogs yeah so i'm in that way i'm not surprised i'm like well you surprised me with the jews bring
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it on with the muslims but what okay so let's go to scripture before we go further because we're
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going to be tying this into the whole son piker situation oh okay for example in sahih muslim
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quote the messenger of allah ordered killing of the dogs and then said what about them i.e about the other
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dogs and then granted concession to keep the dogs for hunting and the dog for security of the herd
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and said when the dog licks the utensil wash it seven times and rub it with earth the eighth time
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some narrations even specify harsher views like quote kill all the dogs except those used for hunting
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and herding end quote or labeling black dogs as devils these may stem from a 7th century incident
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in medina where the prophet ordered a killing of stray dogs to control a rabies outbreak sparing the
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working dogs scholars like imam malik founder of the malik school interpret this leniently allowing
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dogs and homes for protection while others like imam shafi restrict them more strictly so what i'm
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pointing out here is this is not a a light thing they have scripture telling them that they have a
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religious mandate to kill every dog that is not being used for herding or active home protection
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and some even restrict this further to just herding and hunting dogs sense though to a certain extent
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like considering how dangerous wild dogs can be especially you have a rabies outbreak in a medieval
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city yeah like i mean we always talk about culture having practical safety and health implications and
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this this makes sense and also even the whole washing thing you know when you have rabies like you
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spit is absolutely one way that that can be transferred if you're not necessarily being
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bitten if you exactly that that also makes a lot of sense i'm additionally entertained that perhaps
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even before the black cat is bad luck thing happened dogs did it first and it was a black dog
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yeah that that what is it with black sometimes pet animals huh like why are we afraid of those ones
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a lot of this is downstream of muslim populations which were living in and we'll talk about this a
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bit more later in larger urban environments than europeans were which is why europeans didn't develop
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a hatred of dogs in the same way that muslims did because both muslims and jews lived in dense urban
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settlements earlier and in larger numbers especially in their city dogs are not a city thing dogs dogs are not
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for urban specialist populations but what is really interesting here and we'll go over the evolution
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of this hatred of dogs that muslims have is how this has sort of spilled out through the hassan piker
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thing because we look at hassan piker so for people who don't know hassan piker is the number one
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leftist twitch streamer he's uh grew up incredibly privileged but is now pretending to be poor
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dad ran a four billion dollar company like i would be i didn't know it was that proof it was a yeah
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it's very if if it's just such a joke that he pretends to have struggled at points in his life
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but anyway so hassan piker he for people who are unfamiliar with this controversy i'll just give you
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the high notes it turns out that he bought like the the single most expensive dog breed you can buy
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and then with yeah look at these majorly imposing dogs makes it easy to understand
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why they are the most expensive dog breed in the world with their long shaggy manes these guys really
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side note he uh pretends that he got it for free off of craigslist from somebody who didn't want it
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anymore this is like actually ludicrous like somebody driving around in a ferrari and being like
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i just got this on craigslist somebody was moving and didn't want it anymore to sit in the corner of
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his room so it was always on frame while he was streaming and whenever it attempted to move he was
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shocking it while he has denied that he was shocking it the evidence from the images of the shot color on
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the doll the images of the shot color he showed and then matching that shot color with images of shot
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colors from product pages we can tell exactly what color it was it was not a rumble color as he has
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said you can change the resolution and see that he put tape over it his friend who went over to see
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the color said the prongs were removed and he put tape over it even though he has denied that that's
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what happened you know couldn't keep the story straight there there are evidence of other people
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complaining that the collar is too tight which shows that you know you would need that if you're
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dealing with a shot color and you've got a furry dog there have since come up pictures of him putting
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inside spike collars like a collar with spikes but facing inwards towards the dog's neck
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with his previous dog him yanking on his previous dog's tail which can dislocate their spine
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him having an open wound on one of his previous stay if you run right now i'll kill you like i'll
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actually kill you okay in front of everyone come here dog's neck from wearing spiked collars
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what's the purpose of an inside spike collar is that just so like cause additional pain if the dog
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tries to run away or something oh so it's like a choke chain but way worse but way worse yeah i mean
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the spikes are really long and sharp it's not even like the it's like the things that you would put on
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a dog to keep like a wolf from eating it yeah if you've ever seen those type of collars but
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inwards is that what those are for oh you've never seen that yeah the spike things are are to keep
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wolves from killing your dog well if they go for the neck i mean you can kill a dog for the neck
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oh that's how they kill dogs it's it actually gives the dog an enormous amount of protection
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against wild animals good for them it's quite a cool invention i in my culture i love it that i'm
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familiar with that and not the so no i'm only i'm only familiar with it insofar as i i i had one of them
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in my quasi toying with goth face for myself i didn't know i didn't know about their practical
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roots you have any pictures i haven't seen your goth face no but i definitely had a spike choker
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and i didn't know that those are the origins wait come on you know our we both went you know you
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had my my spiked collar matched each other at any point in life yeah we always would have fallen in
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love oh my god anyway so spiky dog collar yeah there has been video evidence of him saying that
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he bought a collar in the past um like a shock collar and that he was doing shock training
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with kaya but so like it's just like it's comical that he would claim that he hadn't done this like
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i'm a little surprised he's still doubling down because it looks so bad a song got to the top of
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youtube songs that was about this we've made songs about this it's hilarious it's hilarious this has
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happened but i think a lot of people when they look at this what they're not understanding
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is that this is actually downstream of a cultural difference based on his upbringing and may have a
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muslim upbringing like an islamic upbringing he said that he's a non-practicing muslim hassan piker
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was raised a muslim having grown up in turkey with turkish parents it is but he was born in
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brunswick new jersey but he did live in turkey for much of his childhood growing up in istanbul
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and he also lived i think in jordan for a period and so he identifies as muslim culturally speaking
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and he grew up around a population of muslims and if you look at the who he sides with geopolitically
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it is the and this is something watch our my god if you haven't seen it it's one of our best videos
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are on the politics and philosophy of mandami because it explains where the new left is going
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and what i've realized is the direction that the new left is going is a merger of communism and islamism
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and the platforming and increasing platforming of muslims or former muslims with that being a core
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part of their allure what i love is there's going to be a class of progressives who might watch this
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and be like but don't you guys use corporal punishments like didn't you slap one of your
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kids when they almost kicked over a table and it's like yes that did happen and i understand that that
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is not normal was in every culture that lives in the united states but the difference between us and
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hassan is we both talked about practicing this form of corporal punishment before the event in
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question bob gate and we immediately admitted it and explained why we did it so even though we might
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be culturally unique within america we have a fan base who i know will respect that whereas hassan
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knew that he was lying to his fan base about who he was which is actually a great wider meta commentary
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on the current divide between the left and the right in the united states well in the world more
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broadly is that the left gets along because they pretend that no one is actually different and
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cultures are not actually different whereas the right accepts that we are different and tries to make
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things work well understanding that not all cultures might be compatible with all other cultures due to
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their differences hassan couldn't just come out there like we did and be like hey we're from a
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different cultural background than you because he would have to admit through saying that that
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muslims are different so anyway hassan piker hassan piker tortures his dog but he's also explained in
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other videos how he sees dogs he says he saw dogs as like slaves and that they should be treated like
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slaves right that this was the just way to to treat an animal just such a lib like oh dude please don't get
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a frenchie i just read a vox article talking about how problematic they are like i don't give a i know
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they have breathing problems i know they're incredibly inbred i don't give a i know i know
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i don't care like i don't give a this is a dog you have an animal that you are taking care of you have
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a literal slave and not just like a slave but you have a literal slave that you shackle okay every day
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pulls from their neck to and take him wherever you want to take him to and on top of that
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you've neutered your slave so your slave can't have more slaves and you have the slave
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for for just personal consumption making yourself feel better and i'd point out here that this view
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is actually pretty rare among most well christian cultural groups in the united states whether you're
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talking about the catholic cultural group or the protestant cultural group for example from my family
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tradition you would consider a dog a member of the family right like we don't neuter our dog i would
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never think of my dog as a slave when we get a dog it's not out of like i want something for my pleasure
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it's more that that is what a family unit is supposed to look like in the same way i get a wife like
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obviously i have a biological reason to get a wife but the main reason i'm searching for a wife is because
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of social conventions that i grew up believing a correct family unit is a husband and wife and then you
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have kids and a dog that is why i get a dog just as much as why i would have kids or have a wife
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and here you might say well yeah but a wife is needed to make the kids like what role does a dog
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have and i would say well culturally it would seem obvious to me like this is just the way i was raised
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to think is that kids cannot grow up emotionally normal if they don't have a dog like kids need a dog
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that is part of childhood to deny a kid a dog is like leaving a kid locked in a closet every night
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i guess we literally do that with one of our kids leaving a kid locked in a closet every day
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we do not lock him in the closet he just likes to sleep there and so why would he feel this way well
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this is actually how islam no note there are multiple times in the quran where somebody is blessed
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by god and will go over it for helping a suffering dog okay but that is because those are typically
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earlier takes in the quran and as islam has developed not every school of islam we'll get
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to this in a second okay most schools of islam has developed they've become more anti-dog this this
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becoming extremely anti-dog happened between the 1800s and the early 1900s oh so recently very
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recently yeah now of course they'll try to claim that it goes all the way back and everything like
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that but it really doesn't seem to it seems if we're going further back it's more pragmatic
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more recently it's just like i hate dogs okay so he likely grew up seeing dogs as something that should
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be seen with a degree of scorn should be seen as very unclean we'll get into how unclean but i mean
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like spiritually unclean like in islam if you're praying and a dog can see you your prayers are
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discounted so it happens wow quite yeah no no no it's like dogs are like bad spiritual juju magamba
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right so very so he would have seen them with a degree of innate disdain however as somebody and if
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you look at us on as i pointed out you know he works out a lot he tries to be this hot male streamer
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his audience is stupid white women that is his audience right who want a guy they can search after
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who looks mildly progressive well he knows if you are selling to stupid white progressive women
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intelligently what do you want you've got a pretty expensive dog in the background of your shot at all
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times and that is why he has moved to do this right but a lot of people had an intense like yuck
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at seeing a dog because if you come from one of my traditions like my background dogs are seen more
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like a member of the family whereas if you go for one of his traditions dogs are seen as disposable
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tools so i want to get into this i want to get into where this this cultural tradition came from and i want
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to get into why hasana said it because i love everybody complaining that he's doing this and not a lot of people
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explaining why he's doing it other than that he's a sociopath and yes i think he's a bit of a sociopath
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but i think that there's other reasons as well and i think that this brings me to another point which
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is something that we also need to remember before i get too deep into the details here is people coming
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from muslim cultural backgrounds are often far more culturally distinct from you know americans than
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many americans recognize because we try to cover up the ways that we are culturally different well i
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think there was also a generation of people really attempting to say muslims are just like everyone
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else like they're just like us instead of respecting their cultural difference yeah instead of celebrating
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and highlighting what makes them culturally unique and strong and robust and interesting and cool it was
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no just like no they're they're just like us and they just sometimes you know like once a year
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they fast for ramadan that's what them muslims do but they're just like us otherwise and that's it
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yeah yeah and i this is all surprising to me fun thing that i'll be pointing out and i might have a
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whole episode on this if people find this to be an interesting topic but i'd point out that if we look
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at the primary players in the existing cultural battlefield two of the players that are culturally
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closest to each other even though a lot of people do not realize this or i don't know i think because
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the urban monoculture is so afraid of the groups realizing this is the american sort of greater
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appellation redneck cultural group and the let's say basically white rural american cultural group
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and the american black cultural group these groups are very very culturally close to each other and
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specifically if you're wondering what do i mean by this and and i'd argue that they're much more
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closely culturally closer to each other than either is to jews catholics or muslims specifically
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both of them have an affinity for dogs both of them have an affinity for decentralized religious
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structures both of them are people might say highly susceptible to conspiratorial thinking let me tell
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you something about the word good brother good is an ancient anglo-saxon word go ah meaning the absence of
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color i.e it's all good which it is or good will hunting meaning i'm hunting negative so if you say
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good morning to me the only thing you're saying is i'm gonna kill your black first thing in the morning
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atomic corey see what his so-called button does attention atomic core sent to overload my bad
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conspiracy theories both of them have a disgust for hierarchy and external group authority
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are uniquely like interested in low culture cultural pathways both of them are well historically at
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least very family oriented but on the small family level rather than wider family structures like you
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see in catholics and jews more nuclear family oriented with maybe only grandparents or something like
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that connections but both even if you think of their typical uh party environments are very
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similar like what is the typical american black party like a barbecue in your backyard barbecue
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what is the typical redneck party it's a barbecue no it's a lot of people like i told you this before but
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a lot of people just are unaware of how culturally similar these two groups are and that they're much
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yeah even like soul food but like redneck food soul food and redneck food are basically the same thing
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just yeah yeah that's that's actually a really good point this is well i mean i think it's it's relevant
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when you have like the nick fuentes crowd and the groypers trying to be like oh hey you you know classic
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americans you you you are like us and not like these black americans and it's like no i'm i'm pretty sure i'm a lot
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closer to black americans than i am to you which is interesting interesting to talk about and that's
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that's not to say that there aren't you know conflicts between these two groups but i think
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that they're mostly engineered conflicts within a modern setting but anyway to continue here
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dogs have become unpopular in muslim majority societies primarily due to their classification
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as richly and poor najis in most schools of islamic jurisprudence particularly regarding their saliva
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which is believed to invalidate absolution voodoo required for prayer if contact occurs this leads
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to practical restriction dogs are often not kept indoors as pets and their presence during worship
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is seen as nullifying prayers which can mandate their eradication the one or the one major carve out here
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is the malaki school which we talked about earlier of sunni islam that distinguishes between wild
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dogs considered impure and domestic ones not impure okay so let's talk about the timeline of this
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because i mentioned that as well so we've got the pre-islamic era before 60 610 ce dogs were common
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in the region for hunting herding and guarding as seen in ancient rock art and burials dating back to
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6 000 years however dogs tactically yeah yeah some pre-islamic folklore viewed black dogs as evil or
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omens of manifestations of jinn spirits which may have influenced later islamic attitudes we look at the
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prophetic era 610 to 632 attitudes were generally tolerant and pragmatic the quran mentions dogs
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positively or neutrally three times which we'll get into more details later and the prophet muhammad
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repeatedly prayed in the presence of dogs allowed to be raised by his companions and showed kindness
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such as protecting a mother of a dog and her pups during military marches dogs so muhammad was a
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the prophet muhammad was a dog guy yes but he did order dogs killed during a rabies outbreak which is
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also a well obviously yeah but you like even the most big fans of dog i mean if you love dogs and want
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to protect them you got to kill the rabid dogs are they all dogs well yeah rabid dogs are a threat to
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dogs as well dogs were freely in the mosque of the prophet in medina during his lifetime and in the
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centuries after so what changed if it was fine then uh yeah one hadith from this time does order the
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killing of stray dogs but again this appears that it was probably during a rabies outbreak which yeah
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fair one if people can be like oh that's too convenient i'm like hold on take a step back here muhammad
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wasn't like jesus right like muhammad also ran an empire basically and cities while he was doing that
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is it not unlikely that there would have been at least one rabies outbreak is it not true that
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unvaccinated dogs are actually very good carriers of rabies yeah is it not true that a city might
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have a lot of stray dogs and a cleanup may need to be ordered or was there just some confusion and
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were they actually killing rabbis we're actually killing rabbis i'm kidding i'm kidding well some
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people probably argue this outbreak yeah okay so now we're going to the early caliphate medieval
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period this is 632 to 1700 dogs were made of utility and nomadic and urban life in expanding
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islamic cities like baghdad and cairo and damascus they served as guards hunters and street cleaners by
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consuming garbage with authorities building watering troughs and mosques providing food for dogs
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punishments for harming other dogs were common reflecting codependence however the naji's tradition
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solidified during the hadas compilations in the 8th and 9th centuries key collections like
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salahi al-barak compiled 846 in 870 ce and the salami muslim 817 to 875 ce include reports of
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companions like abu harari stating that dog saliva required washing utensils several times once was
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earth and that angels avoid houses with dogs this is when it became common to see black dogs as
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manifestations of evil this is book 10 of the hadith these hadith allowed dogs only for farming hunting
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guarding dedication daily rewards for non-utilitarian ownership scholars like imam malaki during this
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period though began to push more lenient views explicitly this was during 795 ce so what's
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interesting here is when you look at malaki's view of dogs right how we talked about this one branch of
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islam it's not that he was going against an earlier way of seeing dogs it's that he became popular
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when it was at the earliest era of some muslims beginning to see dogs is needing to get rid of all
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dogs and is evil and useless um he was saying no no no look we've never seen dogs that way in the past
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so he actually represents a true split and not a historical revisionism around dogs in sort of a
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progressive way or something like that yeah so we we actually even see charitable endowments awaki for
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dog care existing oh yeah so i wonder what the early song for their promotion was if it wasn't in the arms
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of the angels yeah ottoman to modern period 1800s to present attitude shifted markedly in the early 19th
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century amid emerging contagion ideas pre-germ theory linking dogs to plagues like cholera via garbage
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as centralized sanitation replaced dogs cleaning role because before this period remember i i pointed
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out that in cairo and stuff like that dogs would clean up well debris that was on the streets like
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food debris rotting carcasses rotting people potentially people died like homeless people
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just like died in the streets and there were not often good cleanup crews that is incredibly dangerous
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people who don't know rotting human meat is one of the most dangerous things you can have anywhere
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it because the types of bacteria that grow on rotting human meat can grow in living human meat
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as well oh you're sort of like they're little disease accelerators just sitting there well yes
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actually if you wanted to take somebody and have people let's say i don't want to use that word in
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a youtube stream if you wanted to unalive somebody and not have people know an interesting way you could do
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this is take a number of vials of your blood and put them in agar and then set these on a windowsill
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and then wait till one turns clear or clearer that means it likely has some sort of hemophage growing
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within it that is likely going to be quite dangerous to humans and if you introduce that to a human being
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it would be my guess is fairly hard to track they should have saved that for the paid sub stack and
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science the worst science know your facts um what i'm saying here is that dogs actually had a high
00:26:28.360
utility of the cleaning role until you had these more structured systems like the ottomans had so
00:26:33.640
during the ottoman tazanet reforms 1839 to 1876 dogs became quote-unquote economically useless and
00:26:39.800
health hazards leading to eradication campaigns in 1910 the young turks exiled 30 000 to 80 000
00:26:47.320
istanbul strays to an island where most died and they saw this as symbolizing modernization now fun fact
00:26:54.520
here this is turkey that we're talking about again the country where he lived but did you know who has a
00:27:01.960
show called the young turks yeah sent uger his uncle so to say that sent uger was willing to
00:27:11.320
lionize a group that systematically genocided 30 000 to 80 000 dogs in istanbul right oh my goodness
00:27:20.680
that this is the environment that hassan would have grown up in now his behavior and perspective towards
00:27:28.120
dogs makes more sense he is so you're just trying to defend hassan here really trying to say is hassan
00:27:36.200
is culturally muslim but he understands that his audience is urban monoculture white women so he's
00:27:42.040
he's bridging the divide the dog is there he just needs to shock it sometimes right but what is fun about
00:27:49.560
this is i think that what we're seeing here is that a faction of and i think that we're going to
00:27:55.800
increasingly see this the urban monocultural movement again you sort of need to see on mondani
00:28:00.600
video to totally understand this and this has been a huge shift for me and how i understand things
00:28:05.400
the urban monoculture lionizes muslim and cultural practices to such an extent that it sees them as
00:28:13.640
definitionally above reproach and deserving of leadership positions and that their role if they are
00:28:21.240
white is to lower the white population or to displace the white population with immigrants
00:28:27.240
and any population that's not interested in getting on board this includes american black populations that
00:28:32.680
won't also uh you know begin to bow to specifically islamist immigrants and i'll note here you can be
00:28:38.440
like what about the islamic local black population i am unaware of any of them because it is pretty
00:28:44.680
big in the united states any of them with mainstream leadership positions in progressive circles
00:28:49.240
that is either as thought leaders like hassan or yugur or positions like mandami or the various
00:28:56.600
muslims we have in congress right now like that are part of this sort of new pack so i should note that
00:29:01.080
they treat them as an underclass and see them as an underclass because they come from a classist culture
00:29:05.640
well what we're seeing here is the beginnings of conflict and fractures in this movement where some of
00:29:11.800
these white women are beginning to realize these islamists that we have been worshiping and platforming
00:29:20.280
and that our movement sees as a goal of replacing us may have incompatible cultural practices i.e their
00:29:28.920
perspective towards dogs with our own cultural practices now if i'm going to go to the pragmatist
00:29:38.360
guide to crafting religions because we wrote on this some here um so islamic cities were more
00:29:45.320
sophisticated than their christian quote-unquote dark age correlates and in response to the spread
00:29:49.880
of disease they developed dedicated authorities to remove trash from cities before these trash
00:29:54.280
authorities were created dogs helped to clean city streets and thus were beneficial after they lost
00:29:59.320
one of their core urban utilities dog became nothing but pests it could be argued that the difference in
00:30:04.280
views of dogs between western european cultivars this is cultural or religious groups and their
00:30:09.320
islamic counterparts is primarily due to islamic cities earlier invention of sanitation practices
00:30:15.560
and the denser nation of islamic urban centers this dislike of dogs is actually fairly common across
00:30:21.160
urban focused cultures such as jewish culture the talmud is quite explicit in its criticism of dog ownership
00:30:27.400
and salam navaric rabbinic the fiddler on the roof guy at one point said quote if a jew has a dog
00:30:35.400
either that dog is no dog or that jew is no jew in quote general jewish distaste for dog ownership can be
00:30:41.400
seen in the stats from the hyper-good israelis owning a dog a rate much more than four times lower than the
00:30:47.960
general dog ownership in the united states there is a common myth among jewish community that this dislike of
00:30:53.320
dogs began after the holocaust however considering that robinick quote the one i did from the fiddler
00:30:58.920
and the wave gay came from 1903 this superposition is unfounded it is unclear whether jewish sentiments
00:31:05.720
against dog ownership first arose for example joffrey miller argues that the presence of thousands
00:31:11.480
of dogs in a cemetery near the ashkelon dating from the fifth century be shows jews of the period
00:31:18.520
were fond of dogs that's jeffrey miller that's diana's yeah husband we've had on the podcast
00:31:23.480
actually while lawrence stager argues that ashkelon was a phoenician city during that period
00:31:30.280
in the paper quote dogs in jewish society in the second temple period and in the time of mishnah and
00:31:36.200
talmud in quote joshua schwartz observes that quote most of the jewish sources for the second
00:31:42.680
temple period and the time of the mishnah and the talmud continued to maintain the negative attitude
00:31:48.360
of dogs expressed in the biblical tradition end quote and concedes quote it is improbable that dogs in
00:31:54.840
jewish society were objects of the same degree of affection as they received in greco-roman world or
00:32:00.600
in the persian world end quote islamic and jewish anti-dog attitudes are pragmatic for people who live
00:32:06.600
in cities dogs make a ton of sense if you are trying to herd animals or protect livestock on a farm
00:32:12.360
or hunt because you live in a rural environment or protect rural property but little sense for people
00:32:17.560
living in a city and can even be quite dangerous however for the same reasons rural cultivars are
00:32:22.120
usually pro-dog on the subject of dogs for defense it may not be a stereotype that dogs are objectively
00:32:29.560
effective at preventing crime neighborhoods with higher levels of dog ownership tend to have lower
00:32:34.360
levels of homicide robbery and aggravated assaults admittedly this may not be the dogs themselves that
00:32:39.960
prevent crime but the association could be totally correlation or perhaps the dogs work as effective
00:32:46.200
signals after all if rural cultivars are in favor of both dog and gun ownership criminals are going to
00:32:54.280
learn after a while that breaking into a house with a dog is much more likely to lead to lead in your
00:33:00.360
head than one without a dog if it should come as no surprise that the inherited calvinist and scottish
00:33:08.440
irish english cultures we grew up in were rapidly pro-dog to the extent that it would be seen as actual
00:33:13.880
child abuse to raise a kid without a dog in my family in fact not a single person in any branch
00:33:18.680
of my family with kids does not have a dog our family canine cultural biases exist to dog breeds as
00:33:25.880
well with our cultural tradition seeing dogs that do not work ieg chihuahuas pit bulls stuff like that
00:33:32.760
as being a sign of moral failures in their owners i mean pit bulls work if you are part of an underground
00:33:38.520
dog fighting right not in any sort of moral societally beneficial labor even though we do
00:33:45.080
not personally work our dogs this is illogical but perhaps related to a cultural memory of dogs
00:33:49.880
being a tool of utility we find ourselves wondering whether people's inherited affinities for dog
00:33:54.840
ownership are a product of mere cultural memory or an intuition that might serve some purpose in our
00:34:01.000
current and future society the research on this topic seems to indicate that dog ownership during
00:34:05.800
childhood positively impacts kids immune systems reduces allergies that's what sold me when you
00:34:11.320
wanted to get a dog and improves eq while studies correct for this it is critical to note that dog
00:34:17.640
ownership is also heavily associated with higher socioeconomic status ultimately we decided that
00:34:22.360
dog ownership is not just traditional but also logical hence us having a dog the biggest risk
00:34:28.120
culturally speaking of pets in the modern world comes from disease and their ability to satiate people's
00:34:34.200
hunger for parenthood most humans feel an instinct to have kids just like pornography but pet ownership
00:34:39.880
can be used to masturbate and relieve this biological drive you see this every time somebody walks
00:34:45.080
around with their dog and cat as a quote-unquote baby or treats their pet in such a way now i note here
00:34:51.080
both islamic and jewish culture are higher fertility rate than cultures that treat dogs as babies or that
00:34:57.800
lionizes cultures that found the idea of having sex with animals disgusting long before they
00:35:03.880
cared about consent or animal well-being sex with animals is one of the many pathways that lead to
00:35:09.640
non-productive sexual relief and hence lower birth rates and recall that any culture that allows for
00:35:15.560
cultural practice that leads to lower birth rates will ultimately be out-competed by one that has
00:35:19.560
cultural practices that lead to higher birth rates within the culture we are intentionally
00:35:24.520
building for our family or house pets are framed as a tool for improving children and protecting the
00:35:29.640
family and must never be used to satiate a hunger for companionship or emotional and sexual desires
00:35:36.040
our children will be strongly discouraged from getting a dog before they have kids or as quote-unquote
00:35:40.760
practice for having kids simone had always told me that a dog would be a reward for having kids and i
00:35:45.720
think that that's a very good way to frame it now we don't have a strong thesis on cat ownership
00:35:51.400
but studies show that religious service and attendance is heavily negatively correlated with cat ownership
00:35:56.280
but not dog ownership specifically christian worship ownership of with atheists being more likely to own
00:36:02.200
cats so interesting there now i can go deeper into specific quranic mentions around dogs positive
00:36:07.800
mentions negative mentions or we can just talk about this what are your thoughts i am curious to know
00:36:13.480
what the quran says about dogs because that's i don't know shouldn't that be what kind of governs
00:36:21.720
your decision if you're considering how godly or not a dog is and and that's supposed to be where you
00:36:26.600
know the root of your cultural religious protections come from so what what does the quran say about dogs
00:36:35.480
the one hadith the sally muslim states quote a what do you call this a woman of the night was forgiven by
00:36:42.760
allah because passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst
00:36:49.320
she took off her shoe and tying it with her head cover she threw out some water for it so allah forgave
00:36:55.560
her because of that so okay but that that's just showing compassion you know yeah that's dog specific
00:37:02.920
so in another while a man was walking he felt thirsty and went down to a well to drink water from it
00:37:09.240
on coming out of it he saw a dog panting and eating mud because of excess service then the man said
00:37:15.880
this dog is suffering from the same problem of mine so he went down the well filled his shoe with water
00:37:22.040
and caught caught hold of it with his teeth and climbed up out of the water for the dog
00:37:27.880
allah thanked him for his good deed and forgave him wait but hold on so this guy he went to a well
00:37:33.800
to get water for himself presumably he wanted to get water to the dog like was he also getting water
00:37:40.040
for himself with his shoe did he also this is my read from understanding this which is wild that he
00:37:45.720
did this so apparently he climbed down the well bent over drank from the standing pool of water
00:37:52.760
that was how he filled himself himself and then the dog got his shoe bugs bunny nonsense instead
00:38:00.360
of just like lever and pulley systems here yeah they need to build better infrastructure but i mean
00:38:05.960
this certainly demonstrates the fact that i'm seeing a correlation between people being nice
00:38:11.320
to dogs and a complete lack of infrastructure so checks out okay yeah do you know in modern
00:38:17.800
saudi arabia 77.4 of pet ownerships are cats wow i also find a lot of weird feeding dogs with
00:38:27.160
shoe water something about yeah and what are these dutch style clogs that were you know you could keep
00:38:37.240
water in them because i don't know most when i think of historical european shoes they would have
00:38:42.840
quickly leaked all the water out actually i want to look this up ancient muslim shoe
00:38:49.000
yeah because apparently this is just your also de facto emergency water canteen
00:38:55.480
so they were made with leather and it looks like that yeah they might have been able to hold water
00:38:59.560
wow okay good for them that's a that's an interesting factoid right there but the larger
00:39:05.240
thing is is we as a society need to stop pretending everyone's culturally the same okay and we also need
00:39:10.360
to admit that some cultures might be incompatible with other cultures right i might you know have
00:39:18.440
concerns about the way that muslims treat dogs um but i think that they have a right to treat the dogs
00:39:26.040
that you know grew up around their ancestors and that you know sort of co-evolved with these populations
00:39:30.840
within their traditional environments like this but i think somebody who doesn't want to convert to
00:39:36.520
our culture right like hassan for example he has he has said many times that he thinks for example recently
00:39:42.280
he said that we are in the imperial capital speaking of being in new york and that being there you know
00:39:49.240
that we unfortunately he said defeated the the communists of of russia you know that literally
00:39:55.480
were genociding people like not a fun group i also saw recently that he said that like we are that kim jong-un
00:40:03.800
has done nothing that america hasn't done which i was like what well i don't know i mean maybe kim jong-un
00:40:14.840
hasn't done a whole lot i mean keep in mind he inherited his position from kim jong-il
00:40:20.760
yeah but he could have stopped the intergenerational it's a prison system that they have that you can be
00:40:26.840
born into and live your entire life in a concentration camp for one of your parents
00:40:33.240
yeah but i mean also you know our presidents haven't stopped the prison system so he hasn't
00:40:38.840
done anything our president we don't have an intergenerational prison system right
00:40:46.200
i don't i don't know that that does not that is not comparable so much so what is your thoughts
00:40:53.400
on this what is your thoughts on the whole hassan situation because i mean the muslims still aren't
00:40:58.840
eating dogs so can we really be that do do huh i don't know about this i don't think they eat dogs dude if
00:41:10.120
you think a dog is gonna mess up your prayers just by looking at you i don't think you're eating it
00:41:15.480
if if you need to wash yeah yeah they're very considered incredibly forbidden yeah so i know
00:41:21.400
they're not eating the dogs but south koreans you know they kept asking you and you can't eat anything
00:41:29.080
that's carnivorous wait with things that's why they can't eat dogs it's because dogs are carnivorous so
00:41:34.680
they couldn't eat lion meat yeah they can't eat dogs wolves cats lions alligators because they have they
00:41:42.440
have tusks i guess do tusks count as fangs because they'll eat anything i don't think so but they
00:41:49.400
didn't i mean they can't eat pigs obviously because pigs are haram as well oh well it's like a big thing
00:41:54.600
for them yeah again i was just steeped in the culture of muslims are just like us they just pray a lot
00:42:04.520
they're really not watch our video on child marriage that we did on just how different
00:42:11.400
mainstream and powerful muslim organizations are from western organizations that if you for example
00:42:17.960
because i didn't know this before we did that episode if anything they want any muslim has ever
00:42:21.320
told you oh aisha actually wasn't nine when she married the prophet she wasn't what was it 11 or 13
00:42:27.320
when they consummated their marriage that's much better they're like that was a mistranslation
00:42:32.440
they they and you could look at these other sources the problem is is anyone who's telling
00:42:36.920
you that what they're not telling you as a caveat is but the vast majority of muslims in muslim majority
00:42:43.480
countries do believe she was nine and that they consummated their marriage at the age of whatever
00:42:48.200
13 this is an incredibly fringe belief that they are preaching to you and an incredibly revisionist belief
00:42:54.520
that you think it was true it almost kind of doesn't matter because it's kind of irrelevant because
00:42:59.880
like 95 of muslims in like pakistan or iran or saudi arabia would believe this very interesting yeah
00:43:09.240
that's a great point yes like so and and of course that affects their behavior in their actions and
00:43:15.480
yeah it affects their behavior in their actions after they immigrate and i think that this is why
00:43:19.320
courts have very wisely recently there was a case of grape of a kid a young girl i think this was in
00:43:26.120
sweden or norway i don't know if you've been seeing this one but it didn't last long enough so the
00:43:30.360
guy's not getting jailed for it last long enough yeah they said it was short and it was his culture
00:43:36.600
anyway so maybe then his culture is incompatible with northern european culture i didn't know that
00:43:45.080
quickies didn't count as well this is the thing when i talk about cultural diversity being like a dish
00:43:53.000
right a dish is going to be boring if it's just one ingredient right but you don't just add any
00:44:01.800
ingredient to any dish right you add ingredients selectively right and at certain amounts see america
00:44:10.760
like salt you know it might want a certain amount of catholics but it may not want much over 20 percent
00:44:16.280
of catholics because then it's too salty right it might want a certain amount of jews jews might might be
00:44:21.320
like spice or something like that that i'm adding to my chicken right that that might make it better
00:44:25.880
right but it might not want all spice right like that might make it too spicy right this is true i did
00:44:32.600
once think that there were certain ingredients you couldn't have too much of you actually can
00:44:37.160
i didn't think you can too much butter that you can and then you know muslims might be like
00:44:44.760
peanut butter you might want a little bit of peanut butter sauce was your chicken but there's
00:44:50.280
not really a chicken peanut butter dish or if you're making it you may not want any salt on
00:44:55.240
that dish because peanut butter may have a different effect with the point that i'm making here is we
00:44:59.560
need to be aware that different ethnicities and different cultures and different religions are
00:45:05.080
actually different kind of a chicken i guess it could be right so you make it like that and then it works
00:45:12.680
right but in that one maybe chickens like a smaller what am i eating tonight by the way what do we have
00:45:17.560
thawed we don't have anything thawed i mean everything's ready to be it's supposed to be
00:45:22.600
frozen until the moment of and then i thaw so we can really do anything we have burmese mint chicken we
00:45:29.400
have barbecue we have like sorry the the slow cooked brisket chili we have oh that was good yeah bullduck we
00:45:39.560
have i think i might go for bullduck because it's been a while bullduck is so good bullduck it is but
00:45:47.320
i really want to try to make is because i kept mispronouncing in globalize the infatada globalize the
00:45:55.240
empanada a globalized empanada and i really want to find whatever where we we make it with like a a taco
00:46:05.960
shell shell and cheddar and i think it would taste really good that's not an empanada that's oh my
00:46:13.880
god globalizing yeah we're gonna toasty we need to amputate your butt do you know what that means
00:46:20.920
do you know what amputating means toasty it means we need to cut it off i think you need to cut off your
00:46:26.760
butt i think it's i think it's pretty serious this right here oh my god
00:46:42.680
i don't like empanadas okay what about a globalized stuffed patata i can do that with a
00:46:48.760
globalized stuffed patata okay we have to get potatoes for that anyway well we'll do bulldog tonight let's
00:46:55.240
just do the one oh and do the one with the extra mushroom if you have that one that one was so
00:47:00.920
good okay i'll try to um any final thoughts this was interesting and i had no idea so this now makes
00:47:10.120
two religious subgroups that are not great with the dogs not well jews don't have a religious mandate
00:47:17.000
to kill them all and many muslims do okay touche so it's a little different yeah but then in seoul you
00:47:27.640
just i mean like some people think they're cute and have them as pets and some people just eat them
00:47:32.120
and it's not about hate it's about taste and again i actually do not mind that he used a shot collar i
00:47:37.640
mind the way he was using a shot collar that was messed up man that was not cool yeah yeah to have a dog
00:47:43.960
sit in one place for that long especially a dog that big that can cause lots of health complications
00:47:51.080
yeah yeah yeah but anyway it's on to be a good person hopefully we keep rising in fame and one
00:47:58.840
day we're like at his level of fame and we can do something there i mean we're still growing if you
00:48:03.240
haven't like do something there what put one of our children in the corner with a shot collar and so then
00:48:08.040
hopefully you in the corner with a shot collar i'm gonna go to the debate with him and have a button to
00:48:11.640
shock you just uh a bunch of people i think bought the shot collar after this whole incident
00:48:16.920
and there are videos of them like daring each other to turn it all the way up and shock each other
00:48:21.000
which is on challenge pretty dangerous because you know it's meant to go through like thicker fur
00:48:26.680
and stuff and we don't have that stop being a baby oh my gosh what a thing that was well it's been
00:48:37.480
interesting because so many of his glazers have refused to go back on it even though it's very
00:48:41.880
obviously true at this point and it i think has done a lot to discredit sort of the core of that
00:48:48.280
movement and he has lost followers since then he has lost view count since then and like 10 20 i think
00:48:54.200
so not like a ton but still a meaningful amount to hurt though if he's a trust fund kid then i guess
00:48:59.480
it doesn't matter so if one's fine no but it matters to the gross of where the democratic party goes
00:49:05.160
how much is he and yuger and mondami able to incept the progressive movement with this islamist flavor
00:49:13.080
of communism or is that going to die out it's clearly on the rise so i don't yeah and it's weird that it's
00:49:21.320
on the rise after the gaza war is over like we're sort of told hey when this is over this is over
00:49:28.440
interesting yeah well thank you thank you for enlightening me i i love these conversations so
00:49:40.600
i'm grateful to you i am grateful to you simone you are a great wife and by the way i had a
00:49:47.560
would it be too hard and you can push back if this is too hard to do the kagpakraw
00:49:54.760
and then put it in taco shells with fresh cut combalo peppers and mozzarella
00:50:03.640
and what are combalo peppers those are the peppers that you have that are fresh in the i was
00:50:09.240
just thinking because we've got them fresh right now we've thai red chili peppers and that's it i
00:50:13.000
used up all the green ish oh you used up all the green ones okay yeah okay well then we'll just do the
00:50:18.760
i have thai red peppers if you want to go for it tonight have steam come out your ears
00:50:25.880
well i might not mind trying it with just the cheese so you want shredded cheddar cheese tacos with
00:50:33.800
crab crab whatever that stuff is the thai stuff that you yeah do we have any lettuce or anything we
00:50:38.760
could put in it no no lettuce we could put carrot oh yeah we could i could do those you liked those
00:50:46.520
tiny little carrot shreds that i chopped up for you yeah yeah i can very easily make those you want
00:50:51.400
those for texture so keep those fresh and then basically just do like i wouldn't have them totally
00:50:57.640
fresh i would fry them up when you reheat this so that they're partially fresh okay so you want
00:51:02.680
stir fried carrots and then you want them put in basically half quesadillas and small corn tortilla
00:51:11.400
shells with uh okay i'm i think i can do that this sounds really interesting and i'm excited to try it
00:51:19.320
yeah it quesadillas it's like a chicken quesadilla but with okay sorry i need to look up the actual name
00:51:26.760
of the stuff okay it is a lot of thai basil and yeah it is
00:51:37.160
it is pad crapal yeah pad crapal so truly globalizing meat and fatata crab cow sorry yeah sorry pad crap
00:51:48.600
quesadillas with shredded sauteed carrot i'm gonna take pictures i'm gonna put them in this episode so you
00:51:54.040
guys can see well we'll we'll see if they turn out you know and then then you can decide but
00:52:01.000
definitely cook cook the carrots from the beginning because carrots are like quite bitey like like hard
00:52:07.320
if they're not cooked at all so cook them when you reheat it in a way when i reheat the the pad
00:52:13.080
gripal and then okay sure you got it i'm so excited for this love you i love you too
00:52:20.360
okay ah it works so it's something i've been thinking a lot about recently because i was looking
00:52:28.440
at like doing an episode on this i got this thought in my head we've done an episode in the past on like
00:52:34.120
sexuality and why we view it so different from flavor preference as a society because i found that
00:52:40.360
you know a really weird thing oh like what just enjoying spicy foods well like you know i might like
00:52:45.800
vanilla ice cream and another person might like strawberry ice cream and we don't have you know
00:52:50.120
we don't base our identities around this but recently i had a bigger revelation when i was thinking
00:52:54.760
about this and it was sexuality how is that different from kinks like same-sex attraction in
00:53:03.240
what meaningful way is same-sex attraction not just a kink it's it's a arousal tied to an unusual
00:53:09.880
sort of stimuli right i'm going to ai and i'm trying to get like what's the best steel man against this
00:53:16.200
and it's like well you know you know which gender preference you have is about who you're attracted
00:53:20.520
to not what and i'm like well then a chubby chaser is a sexuality at that point because that's about
00:53:25.480
who you're attracted to not what and basically what i came away from and i'll put together a stronger
00:53:31.960
thing on this and and all of the counter arguments is that a more healthy way to deal with i think
00:53:38.520
same-sex attraction is to just view it as a category of kink and to be open about kinks but
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to not place any kink above other kinks is like a form of identity or something
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and i think once we do that and there isn't really a strong argument against it like you can you think
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of one no no definitely not like in what way is it not just an unusual and sometimes disadvantageous
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arousal pattern yeah and sometimes advantageous but yeah no one should get privileged for
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having one rather another i mean no one can control it right but some people just are lucky in the same
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way some people are lucky to be taller for example the bigger thing is is that once you categorize it
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as a kink then a lot of the negative externalities that come from it go away specifically you one
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don't have it glorified as much but two you do not you no longer see it as a as a positive thing
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to be constantly sharing with other people or constantly broadcasting because our society already
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has sort of i think very sane rules around kinks like you can have the kink you want to have i'm not
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gonna like shame you for it unless you force me to participate in it in some way exactly or you are
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constantly broadcasting it yeah or impose it on someone else without their consent in any right
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now the reason why this becomes a problem with sexual orientation is somebody could say that
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seeing two same-sex attracted people in public is in a way forcing them to participate in their kink
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yeah eg like a person you know dressing someone up like a pony and walking them in public or something
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like that and i think i'm actually still okay with categorizing even with that negative externality
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well i mean there are many places where any forms of public displays of affection are are considered
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not okay you know where it's probably men aren't supposed to be hugging or kissing publicly so i think
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you have to hold similar standards like also to that extent then you would have to hold the same
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standards for heterosexual couples right but here's what you're not considering even if you got rid of
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all of those scenarios um if somebody decided to get same-sex married right which presumably they may
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want to do then that would be like getting married in like bdsm gear or something like that which you know
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obviously some people do but it's something that you know that society would prefer not to normalize
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and so am i okay with it even with that negative externality i think yes primarily because it's not
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sustainable long-term anyway by this what i mean is you can't get above replacement fertility rates
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within same-sex attracted populations that live a same-sex lifestyle with current technology
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so it's not really relevant to attempt to preserve as a sustainable aspect of our society and if you look
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at the way we treated same-sex attraction you know in the medieval period and stuff like that often it
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was just like a kink but like obviously you never get married right like you never engage that far with
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your cake and i think that's probably okay i don't know we'll think about it longer yeah something to
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ponder any thoughts on the episode today and there seems to just be very i really appreciate the comments
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that were like just very grounded reasonable theories like a combination of things that i think are all very
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plausible among them being people who are bisexual are probably more likely to be just dissatisfied
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with their existing sexuality and exploring more and people like that are more likely to be
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overall less happy and have other issues in their lives plus also that there there may be kind of
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like a sampling error and that a lot of people who call themselves bisexual may also be trans and be
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undergoing all these other additional issues and stuff and and be straddling identities different
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identities in a way that one person said it was maybe akin to being mixed race or identifying as mixed
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race in the united states where there's no stress of never feeling like any team totally backs you
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you know you're kind of you're not accepted into any category at that point and that sucks
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so i really i'm glad that we asked everyone to weigh in because yeah there's a lot of fun yeah and it's cool with
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comments too because you can see more broadly what resonates with a lot of people by how many upvotes
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the comments get so you can kind of see like okay well this seems to be the consensus in terms of a theory
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okay that's really cool all right all right all right well this community is just so great
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all right wait are you super titan okay here i'm gonna put on your mask here no i just only wear red one
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you mean it's you mean it's halloween time yeah let's have a look at the mask pull it up pull it up so you can see out of it
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so can we get titan titan do you like being super titan