Based Camp - The Statistical Divide In How We Perceive Life

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be discussing

00:00:04.980 a fascinating study that came out from NBC that was looking at what was important to men

00:00:11.660 who voted for Trump versus Kamala Harris and women who voted for Trump versus Kamala Harris.

00:00:17.420 And what you can see is people who vote for Kamala Harris are not going to play a big role

00:00:22.980 in our country's future. They're basically deleting themselves from the population.

00:00:26.860 Because while there had been differences in the past in fertility rates within these groups,

00:00:31.440 it is exploding. So I want to talk about these preferences. I want to talk about why they're

00:00:35.720 different. And to give you an idea of how different they are, men who voted for Trump when they were

00:00:40.240 important for their definition of success, literally the top thing, the number one thing

00:00:48.840 was having children. Women who voted for Harris, literally the last thing of importance to them

00:00:58.860 was having children, which only 6% of women voted for Harris. Which, by the way, tied with being

00:01:07.280 married and able to retire early. So financial stability is the other thing they don't care

00:01:14.200 about. So thoughts on that number before we go further. Because a lot of the numbers that I've

00:01:21.300 looked at before show Democrat and Republicans being like 78% to 100% different in terms of fertility

00:01:28.560 rates. But this would suggest that it's dramatically higher than that for this next generation.

00:01:33.400 Yeah, this doesn't look good. I'm used to seeing much more moderated results from surveys like

00:01:40.540 these. You know, like, oh, they're meaningfully different, but this is violently different.

00:01:45.280 Yeah. And...

00:01:46.400 It's because these two groups are becoming more violently different from each other.

00:01:49.580 Yeah.

00:01:50.560 In terms of values.

00:01:52.120 Absolutely. It is also sobering to me, however, just how low priority having children is for anyone.

00:02:00.160 It's literally the top priority for men who voted for Trump.

00:02:04.440 Yes. Except everyone else, it's not at the top.

00:02:07.860 So let's talk about this. Let's talk about women who voted for Trump.

00:02:11.340 It's right in the middle of the list of things presented. Although 26% still want to have

00:02:17.020 children. But that's, Malcolm, that's 26%. That's a quarter.

00:02:20.740 Yeah, it's only 26% of women who voted for Trump.

00:02:22.920 And then keep in mind, so men, oh, men who voted for Trump who really value having kids. Sorry,

00:02:28.260 34% value kids. That's a third, Malcolm. All right?

00:02:33.100 Yeah.

00:02:33.620 Oh, they value with them. No, yeah, sure. Of the population polled, but this is...

00:02:40.920 If only a third of men.

00:02:42.980 So women who voted for Trump, like, what did women who vote for Trump care about more than

00:02:47.020 having kids, right? Yeah, yeah.

00:02:48.440 The top thing for them, and this was more important than them, than having kids was for

00:02:51.780 men who voted for Trump, was financial independence.

00:02:53.640 Mm-hmm. Yeah. And second is having a fulfilling job career, which is also...

00:02:58.340 Fulfilling job career is number one for women who voted for Harris.

00:03:02.340 No, no, no. It's also true for men who voted for Harris. So the funny thing about the women who voted

00:03:06.680 for Trump who, you know, care about money and career, right, is the way that they framed it in

00:03:11.140 terms of what they picked, was financial independence. And then for both the men and

00:03:15.780 the women who voted for Harris, it wasn't that they wanted financial independence. It's that

00:03:19.960 they wanted enough money to do the things they wanted and to have a fulfilling job or basically

00:03:24.660 enjoy their day job.

00:03:25.880 Well, I think fertility is...

00:03:26.700 They wanted to have fun and have money, but they didn't care about independence.

00:03:30.480 Fertility is inversely correlated to the extent to which you opt in to an atomized capitalist

00:03:36.180 society where you buy everything you want. So if you opt in to...

00:03:41.120 To a community-based society or a family-based society where the vast majority of the goods

00:03:46.340 and services that you value and enjoy and pastimes involve... Or we'll say endogenous.

00:03:52.560 They come from within your family or community unit. You're going to have kids. But the more

00:03:58.640 you lean into, I will buy every single thing individually. I'm going to buy all my food.

00:04:04.460 I'm not going to make it home. I'm not going to get it from my family. I'm going to buy

00:04:07.060 all my entertainment. It's not going to come from within my home or from my kids or from

00:04:10.960 my spouse. I'm going to pay for stuff that makes me entertained. That will make you less

00:04:16.620 and less fertile. And I think that's why the focus is on getting this job and career because

00:04:20.780 they're opting into the very dynamic that caused the beginning of demographic collapse

00:04:25.680 to begin with, which was industrialization, which was leaving the home, going out and working,

00:04:31.240 and trading money for anything that you want instead of getting it from within your own

00:04:35.960 family unit.

00:04:38.840 Yeah. I think that's right. To go over what men who voted for... Well, actually, let's look

00:04:46.100 at what women who voted for Harris, what do they actually value? Because I think that helps

00:04:49.240 us key into this. And we'll go through the chart and we'll contrast it with some of the others.

00:04:53.860 Yeah.

00:04:54.280 Number one, and this was true for men who voted for Harris. So they're actually pretty aligned,

00:04:57.500 the men and women who vote for Harris. Their top three are the same.

00:05:00.480 No, not top three, only top two.

00:05:03.420 Oh, the third one is almost the same.

00:05:05.860 Yeah. So for women, number one, fulfilling job career. Number two, having money to do things you

00:05:10.060 want. That's the same for men. But then women's number three priority, and God help them, because

00:05:14.300 it's never going to happen, is having emotional stability.

00:05:16.940 But what's funnier is if you look at the charts, and we often go over this on our show, is that there

00:05:22.600 is no demographic that is more emotionally unstable than progressive women.

00:05:27.500 Well, I'll point out that emotional stability is near or at the bottom of the list for men and

00:05:34.920 women who voted for Trump. And I think this just goes to show how mental health, and specifically

00:05:39.380 poor mental health, it's downstream of obsessing about mental health.

00:05:45.940 Well, yeah. And it's pervasive within progressive culture, and they're aware of it. And they're like,

00:05:51.800 I wish I had this, and they don't. And I do think also that there's a big correlation

00:05:56.800 between having poor mental health and not having a family and religion and strong, hard culture

00:06:05.040 that gives you something more important to worry about than your stupid whims. Because we all have

00:06:11.100 demons. We all have demons. There's no space for my demons, because we have kids, right?

00:06:15.600 Yeah, it burns the selfishness out of you, is one of the other ones I'm saying.

00:06:18.780 Yeah.

00:06:19.160 No, I completely agree with that. But I think this is something that we used to intuit as a

00:06:23.080 society much more easily. A lot of progressives, they don't have conservative friends, they don't

00:06:27.040 watch conservative influencers, so they are unaware of the, within conservative spaces,

00:06:33.120 the significantly higher degree of emotional stability that's expected. But when we look

00:06:38.180 into the past, even with recent models of conservatives, like, say, Ron Swanson.

00:06:44.540 I've been developing the Swanson pyramid of greatness for years. It's a perfectly calibrated

00:06:50.160 recipe for maximum personal achievement. Categories include capitalism, God's way of determining who

00:06:57.100 is smart and who is poor. Property rights, fish for sport only, not for meat. Fish meat is practically

00:07:04.440 a vegetable. Haircuts, there are three acceptable haircuts. High and tight, crew cut, buzz cut.

00:07:10.260 Feel no sympathy.

00:07:11.760 All right. Ron Swanson may be incorrect about things in a conservative-like way, but he is

00:07:23.520 nothing if not emotionally stable most of the time, other than when he's dealing with his

00:07:27.900 exes. When he's dealing with ex-women, he becomes emotionally...

00:07:30.920 No, he's logical in his attempt to resist, to resist them.

00:07:34.900 But generally speaking, he is, like, when contrasted with the progressive-coded boss character who's,

00:07:42.600 like, all into yoga and all into, like, eating healthy and is a vegan, he's constantly shown

00:07:48.720 as being, like, the epitome of emotional stability.

00:07:53.180 Right.

00:07:54.340 Because he knows what he's about, as he would say.

00:07:57.280 Yeah.

00:07:57.540 And knowing what you're about, I think, is really the key to emotional stability.

00:08:01.480 That and not living for your own whims, which is, you know, like having some higher

00:08:05.780 objective function you're attempting to maximize above self-validation and personal pleasure.

00:08:11.400 Well, and I think there's also something to the fact that Ron Swanson, in comparison to other

00:08:16.640 more progressive-coded characters on the show Parks and Rec, wants things that are easily attainable.

00:08:24.260 He wants independence, privacy, family, the government to fall apart.

00:08:30.620 He wants to become increasingly less attainable as technology develops throughout the show.

00:08:35.540 This is fair.

00:08:36.040 If you would like to go to Google Earth and type in your address.

00:08:48.620 Everybody shoots down the drone.

00:08:50.280 We need to talk.

00:08:52.020 What is that?

00:08:52.980 This is a flying robot I just shot out of the sky after it delivered a package to my house.

00:08:58.680 So I destroyed the robot.

00:09:01.220 No one is safe from these bastards.

00:09:03.680 Because it knows too much information about him.

00:09:05.800 You know, he's increasingly annoyed that he can't have his, as many viewers of our show would want,

00:09:11.040 more independence.

00:09:11.860 Yeah.

00:09:12.220 I mean, our audience can definitely relate.

00:09:14.180 But I would contrast that to the other characters in the show who want things that they don't,

00:09:20.420 well, they don't know what they want, first and foremost.

00:09:22.580 Or they want things that are not real.

00:09:24.920 They're too ephemeral.

00:09:26.200 And they're pursuing them in all the wrong ways.

00:09:27.800 So, yeah.

00:09:29.260 And then you have, so the first ones, which I love because we talked about this,

00:09:32.860 is they're all about personal hedonism.

00:09:35.300 Like when I say that the urban monoculture is just about hedonism maxing,

00:09:38.660 you see that was in this context, right?

00:09:40.920 You know, the fulfilling job or career, when you hear that,

00:09:45.620 that means a job that makes me feel good to do, right?

00:09:48.500 It is about pleasure, right?

00:09:50.620 And the having money to do the things that you want,

00:09:52.460 contrast this with what men who voted for Trump want,

00:09:54.340 which is to contribute to society, right?

00:09:56.520 It's having children, financial independence,

00:09:59.320 not having the money to do what you want,

00:10:00.340 but having financial independence,

00:10:01.460 e.g. not being a burden,

00:10:02.480 which is what women who voted for Trump want the most,

00:10:05.100 then fulfilling job and career,

00:10:06.920 then being married,

00:10:08.040 then having money to do the things that they want,

00:10:12.280 then owning a home,

00:10:13.800 then being grounded spiritually,

00:10:15.840 then making family community proud,

00:10:17.900 then having no debt,

00:10:19.120 then using talents and resources to help others.

00:10:22.000 Finally, like second to last is being able to retire early

00:10:24.380 with conservative men, which I think is interesting.

00:10:26.740 I also think it's interesting that women who voted for Trump,

00:10:28.500 the very last thing they wanted was to be able to retire early.

00:10:31.120 So you see this across Trump voters is wanting to retire early

00:10:33.560 as seen as a bad thing.

00:10:34.280 And I think that you actually see this across the board

00:10:38.440 now that I look at it.

00:10:39.840 It's more pronounced than Trump voters,

00:10:41.240 but it's also pretty clear with men and women who voted for Harris.

00:10:45.660 I think that's because people,

00:10:47.980 and we saw this when we went to that college campus

00:10:50.100 to speak with students,

00:10:51.640 younger generations have acknowledged the fact

00:10:54.080 that there is not going to be such a thing as retirement anymore.

00:10:56.920 So it's just, it's one of those things of like,

00:10:58.960 you know, become a unicorn.

00:11:00.680 Like, okay, that's weird.

00:11:02.040 And I'm going to put it at the bottom of my list

00:11:03.840 because it could never happen.

00:11:05.240 Like, I'm not going to want it

00:11:06.180 because it's not going to happen.

00:11:08.320 Yeah.

00:11:09.540 I will say, I do find it disappointing

00:11:11.300 that women who voted for Trump

00:11:12.560 have being married at force to bottom

00:11:16.240 in terms of the things that they're looking for.

00:11:19.340 It's only 20% seeing that as important to life success.

00:11:23.080 Which is interesting because I was raised

00:11:24.700 to just obviously thinking I had to get married.

00:11:27.220 How did you think about it?

00:11:28.160 Back when you were a progressive,

00:11:29.320 if you're reflecting on your own values,

00:11:30.880 where did marriage fit for you

00:11:33.860 in terms of a life plan

00:11:35.020 and how you thought about it?

00:11:36.500 I was never going to get married, obviously.

00:11:38.780 I was never going to get married.

00:11:39.800 Like, why?

00:11:40.600 Surely you must have newsed

00:11:42.080 about getting married at one point.

00:11:43.180 I know you had your stuffed animals get married.

00:11:44.980 Yeah, because it was a celebration

00:11:47.480 that was aesthetically interesting.

00:11:49.980 That was it.

00:11:51.340 There was nothing more to it.

00:11:53.700 That was really it.

00:11:54.820 Yeah.

00:11:55.020 I mean, it was, you know,

00:11:56.700 this was before the age

00:11:58.280 when people had tiered cakes

00:11:59.600 just for birthday parties.

00:12:00.860 I thought, you know,

00:12:01.500 a wedding was the only one

00:12:02.660 where you could do that.

00:12:03.500 A tiered cake at any other event

00:12:04.940 with stolen valor.

00:12:06.280 So, and I love to tiered cakes.

00:12:08.300 So, that is 100% it.

00:12:10.760 I don't, I think,

00:12:12.420 my first intuition when seeing

00:12:14.920 how low, relatively speaking,

00:12:17.000 being married was

00:12:18.280 for female Trump voters

00:12:21.680 was, because being married

00:12:25.140 is even lower than having children,

00:12:27.480 kind of an acknowledgement

00:12:28.720 that many men

00:12:29.880 are unwilling to commit to get married.

00:12:32.460 And we've seen this

00:12:33.400 with a lot of

00:12:34.200 both progressive and centrist

00:12:37.360 and conservative women we know

00:12:39.380 having a really tough time

00:12:42.340 getting men to commit to them.

00:12:44.800 And I think it's kind of similar

00:12:47.800 to retire early

00:12:49.140 for a lot of women

00:12:49.980 at this point.

00:12:51.800 It, they just feel like

00:12:53.200 it's not going to happen.

00:12:54.020 But that, that was my intuition.

00:12:56.100 You don't think that's the case?

00:12:58.020 Sorry, repeat that?

00:13:00.080 Women these days

00:13:01.340 don't think men,

00:13:02.980 that getting married

00:13:04.240 is something that's

00:13:04.900 that's on the table for them.

00:13:06.600 That men won't commit

00:13:07.540 to getting married anymore.

00:13:09.180 Oh, I don't think that's true.

00:13:11.060 It's the men of their,

00:13:12.320 the quality that they want

00:13:13.820 who won't commit

00:13:14.360 to getting married.

00:13:15.160 Yeah.

00:13:15.540 And this perception is easy

00:13:16.920 how it came about

00:13:17.660 because the women are idiots

00:13:19.080 and they're dating on apps

00:13:20.420 and they don't know

00:13:21.440 that the guys that they're dating

00:13:22.400 because they are matching

00:13:23.340 with the top men on these apps.

00:13:24.580 Like this is just shown statistically.

00:13:26.180 Well, and they are consistently finding

00:13:27.440 that those men

00:13:27.980 are not willing to commit to them

00:13:29.040 because they're lazy eights

00:13:29.960 who are just looking to sleep around.

00:13:31.620 Yeah.

00:13:31.820 They are not encountering men

00:13:33.720 who are interested in marrying.

00:13:35.920 Of course, then they would not

00:13:37.660 put marriage as a high priority

00:13:39.300 because it feels like something

00:13:40.360 that no man they encounter

00:13:41.960 is willing to do.

00:13:43.960 Yeah.

00:13:44.900 Well, how do you,

00:13:45.760 how do you get around this

00:13:46.460 for our kids?

00:13:48.440 Arranged marriages,

00:13:49.880 dating networks

00:13:51.000 that are focused around marriage.

00:13:53.900 That's how.

00:13:54.680 Yeah.

00:13:54.900 I mean, I love that my mom,

00:13:58.120 and we've got to be careful

00:13:59.120 not to like get stuck

00:14:00.080 in our generation,

00:14:01.500 used to be like,

00:14:02.080 well, just got to like

00:14:02.740 a debutante ball

00:14:03.620 or something like that.

00:14:04.540 That's where you'll find a good wife.

00:14:05.900 And I was like,

00:14:07.140 they don't host those anymore, mom.

00:14:09.800 I mean, they technically do,

00:14:11.400 but they're not for that.

00:14:12.580 But it's not that there's

00:14:15.720 some specific type

00:14:16.840 of social function

00:14:17.740 that makes these work.

00:14:18.880 I would even argue

00:14:19.580 that we'll say like

00:14:20.400 LDS singles wards

00:14:21.520 on their own.

00:14:22.720 You can't just like

00:14:23.440 encourage your child

00:14:25.240 if you're a Mormon

00:14:26.080 to be a member

00:14:27.920 of a singles ward

00:14:28.820 when they're of marriageable age.

00:14:31.720 What has been lost

00:14:33.920 societally is parental

00:14:35.540 and familiar involvement

00:14:37.340 in a young person's,

00:14:39.860 a young adult's marriage,

00:14:41.760 looking for partners,

00:14:43.000 trying to find partners,

00:14:44.260 being up in their business,

00:14:45.680 trying to strategize with them,

00:14:48.120 demonstrating that

00:14:48.860 this is a priority.

00:14:50.520 That is how you get your kid

00:14:52.000 to marry

00:14:52.800 and also criticizing partners,

00:14:54.940 weighing in with opinions.

00:14:56.180 All these things matter.

00:14:57.780 Well, I think part of this

00:14:58.720 is downstream

00:14:59.480 of expectations

00:15:00.980 changing around

00:15:03.060 like genuinely

00:15:04.280 what this survey is looking at,

00:15:06.320 like what a good life is.

00:15:07.960 because I went in

00:15:11.260 to, you know,

00:15:13.240 college

00:15:13.840 with an expectation of

00:15:15.660 now I need to start

00:15:16.600 looking for a wife

00:15:17.300 really seriously.

00:15:18.480 Yeah.

00:15:18.680 I was,

00:15:19.160 it was,

00:15:19.440 it was made clear

00:15:19.980 to me and my family,

00:15:20.700 don't get married

00:15:21.220 to anyone you meet

00:15:21.720 in high school.

00:15:22.800 And people are like,

00:15:24.180 why?

00:15:24.800 It's because

00:15:25.420 you're not going to be

00:15:26.740 around the best

00:15:27.220 of the brightest

00:15:27.600 in high school, right?

00:15:28.340 Like you haven't sorted

00:15:29.140 into those environments

00:15:29.980 like you do with college

00:15:30.980 or your career yet.

00:15:32.480 And so that seemed fine to me.

00:15:34.680 Okay, don't marry

00:15:35.460 just high schools

00:15:36.240 for sleeping around.

00:15:37.380 Yeah.

00:15:37.960 then I get out there

00:15:42.060 and I,

00:15:44.240 what was I going to say

00:15:44.820 for college?

00:15:45.760 I,

00:15:46.040 I,

00:15:46.980 I,

00:15:47.320 I,

00:15:47.560 and you knew this

00:15:48.120 when you were talking to me,

00:15:48.780 like marriage was just

00:15:49.860 my focus at the time,

00:15:51.620 right?

00:15:51.820 Like everything

00:15:52.480 was about marriage

00:15:53.260 and it was more important

00:15:54.880 to me early career

00:15:56.940 than my career itself.

00:15:58.960 Absolutely.

00:16:00.360 And it's interesting

00:16:02.120 that I see a shared value

00:16:03.540 as the Trump male voters,

00:16:05.180 but that even the Trump

00:16:06.700 female voters

00:16:07.360 don't have that perception.

00:16:08.680 So my question is,

00:16:09.540 is how do you

00:16:10.220 bridge that gap?

00:16:11.820 How could somebody

00:16:12.400 convince you

00:16:13.360 like,

00:16:14.380 okay,

00:16:14.560 go back to early

00:16:15.520 dating Simone.

00:16:16.360 If it wasn't me,

00:16:17.800 how do they,

00:16:18.300 what do they bring to you?

00:16:19.780 I idea wise

00:16:21.360 that convinces you,

00:16:22.560 okay,

00:16:22.720 I'm open to get married now.

00:16:23.920 I could have only

00:16:26.880 married you Malcolm.

00:16:27.780 I'm sorry.

00:16:28.460 I'm,

00:16:28.660 I'm so,

00:16:29.700 I'm so head over heels for you.

00:16:31.780 Part of the problem.

00:16:34.480 Yeah.

00:16:35.060 I mean,

00:16:35.420 I w it was so baked in

00:16:37.420 to my entire existence

00:16:38.880 from a very early age.

00:16:40.380 I didn't have any peers

00:16:42.460 throughout my childhood,

00:16:43.920 male or female

00:16:45.740 who thought that marriage

00:16:47.240 was a priority,

00:16:48.120 who even thought that marriage

00:16:49.980 was going to be a part

00:16:50.800 of their adult life.

00:16:51.860 That just wasn't a thing.

00:16:55.020 Even the,

00:16:56.040 the,

00:16:57.260 the romantic ones of us,

00:16:58.860 we only liked romance manga

00:17:01.500 and stuff that was about

00:17:02.600 like limerence and dating,

00:17:04.080 you know,

00:17:04.280 the marriage wasn't ever

00:17:05.400 a factor in it.

00:17:06.660 Marriage was sort of a,

00:17:07.840 that that's the point

00:17:08.700 at which good plots turn bad

00:17:11.700 because they get boring.

00:17:12.760 You know,

00:17:13.580 that's the society

00:17:14.600 in which I think many of us live

00:17:15.960 when you aren't surrounded

00:17:17.400 by examples of good marriages

00:17:20.400 marriages and marriage

00:17:22.380 as you know,

00:17:23.560 this is how you make life work.

00:17:26.660 And especially I would say,

00:17:28.400 and this is how ambitious

00:17:30.300 people succeed,

00:17:31.420 because I think that was

00:17:32.760 another really big thing

00:17:33.580 is if you were ambitious,

00:17:34.580 it was framed to people that,

00:17:36.780 well,

00:17:37.400 then you need to find

00:17:38.440 a good partner

00:17:39.040 because that plays a key role

00:17:40.540 in you being a successful adult.

00:17:42.300 You won't be seen

00:17:43.700 as a successful professional man

00:17:45.900 without a beautiful wife,

00:17:47.560 whether she is a working one

00:17:48.860 or a housewife, right?

00:17:50.060 Yeah,

00:17:50.320 and now that's not true anymore.

00:17:51.700 And you wouldn't be

00:17:52.720 a successful woman

00:17:53.700 if you hadn't bagged

00:17:54.800 a successful man,

00:17:55.900 whether you choose

00:17:56.880 to work or not again.

00:17:58.040 And that is totally

00:17:59.940 no longer the case.

00:18:00.720 We're totally atomized.

00:18:01.620 We're totally our own

00:18:02.600 individual brands.

00:18:04.420 And this is not to say

00:18:05.440 that people were not

00:18:06.680 brand obsessed

00:18:07.600 back in the day.

00:18:09.320 And as married couples,

00:18:11.200 literally people named

00:18:12.780 themselves Baker,

00:18:14.780 Fletcher,

00:18:15.680 Smith,

00:18:16.620 Mason,

00:18:16.960 people's names

00:18:18.360 were their brands.

00:18:22.040 So yeah,

00:18:22.840 I don't know.

00:18:23.280 We just,

00:18:24.680 there's nothing

00:18:25.360 that you could have done

00:18:26.480 as an individual parent

00:18:28.100 if I still grew up

00:18:29.400 in the San Francisco Bay Area.

00:18:31.260 They would have made me

00:18:32.660 want to get married.

00:18:35.000 With our own children,

00:18:36.160 I think we just need

00:18:36.820 to frame marriage

00:18:37.600 as a key part in success.

00:18:39.320 That you will,

00:18:40.800 that living life

00:18:42.280 as an adult unmarried

00:18:43.840 is like living life

00:18:44.980 as an adult

00:18:45.740 without legs.

00:18:47.100 You can do it.

00:18:48.140 It's just going to be

00:18:48.860 a lot harder.

00:18:51.460 So.

00:18:52.000 Right.

00:18:52.260 No, I appreciate you

00:18:53.180 focusing on the practical

00:18:54.120 concerns,

00:18:54.820 but I also think

00:18:55.700 a large part of this

00:18:56.520 was about the shame

00:18:57.400 and the lack of an ability

00:18:59.000 to gain prestige

00:18:59.980 if you were unmarried.

00:19:01.860 Well, now marriage

00:19:02.440 is just seen as a liability.

00:19:03.620 I mean, you would agree,

00:19:04.380 right?

00:19:04.560 In online content,

00:19:05.320 you're going to get divorced.

00:19:07.320 They're going to be

00:19:08.160 a helpless man

00:19:09.180 and you have to do

00:19:09.620 so much more work.

00:19:10.600 They're a liability.

00:19:11.540 How do you do finances,

00:19:12.940 prenups,

00:19:13.360 and all these things?

00:19:15.020 I think this is

00:19:15.800 shifting culturally,

00:19:16.820 at least within

00:19:17.200 conservative circles,

00:19:18.000 as you can see

00:19:18.740 from these results.

00:19:20.120 I mean,

00:19:20.360 with the Charlie Kirk death

00:19:21.560 and everything like that,

00:19:22.340 what everyone is focusing on

00:19:23.280 is his wife and kids,

00:19:24.140 right?

00:19:24.380 You know,

00:19:25.200 I think that being

00:19:26.860 a good husband

00:19:28.400 in a good marriage

00:19:29.640 is increasingly

00:19:30.860 within conservative circles,

00:19:31.920 especially within

00:19:32.500 elite conservative circles,

00:19:33.620 seen as an incredibly

00:19:35.940 elite thing to be,

00:19:37.520 like very,

00:19:38.600 very high status

00:19:39.540 and a good

00:19:40.260 like signal of character.

00:19:42.400 Whereas,

00:19:43.320 like in the past,

00:19:44.500 things like becoming divorced

00:19:45.920 is increasingly seen

00:19:47.380 as low status again,

00:19:48.780 which actually the opposite

00:19:50.240 has been true for periods.

00:19:51.380 I was at a Heritage Foundation event,

00:19:53.520 so conservative community,

00:19:55.680 right?

00:19:56.640 And the guy I was talking to

00:19:58.080 was talking to me

00:19:58.480 about how many,

00:19:58.980 so many people

00:19:59.380 from his generation

00:20:00.120 were divorced,

00:20:01.280 but he lived in LA,

00:20:02.500 but in a,

00:20:02.960 like a moderate

00:20:03.840 political community

00:20:04.800 and he goes,

00:20:05.680 well,

00:20:06.000 what happened was,

00:20:07.160 is,

00:20:07.660 you know,

00:20:08.260 one couple got divorced

00:20:09.540 on the block,

00:20:10.260 right?

00:20:10.960 And then that wife

00:20:12.000 started talking

00:20:12.420 to the other women

00:20:13.240 and it became

00:20:14.000 like a high status

00:20:14.720 thing to do,

00:20:15.280 like what,

00:20:15.620 you're still on

00:20:16.060 your first husband,

00:20:17.280 you know,

00:20:17.500 like,

00:20:18.160 like that was almost

00:20:18.880 a sign

00:20:19.460 that you hadn't made it

00:20:21.000 because if you had made it,

00:20:22.680 you would have traded

00:20:23.320 husbands or wives

00:20:24.120 at least once.

00:20:25.000 Oh,

00:20:25.380 good heavens.

00:20:26.400 So to still be

00:20:27.280 on your first spouse

00:20:28.920 meant that you had

00:20:29.960 never really made it yet.

00:20:31.460 But Malcolm,

00:20:32.200 even you being

00:20:33.240 the one so keen

00:20:34.240 on finding a wife,

00:20:35.200 we're still of the mind,

00:20:37.280 of the opinion,

00:20:37.920 even when we got married,

00:20:39.920 that I was going

00:20:40.980 to be your first wife.

00:20:43.620 Yeah,

00:20:43.960 the one until I got

00:20:44.980 super rich

00:20:45.620 and then I trade you in.

00:20:46.800 Yeah.

00:20:46.980 That's still true,

00:20:47.800 Simone.

00:20:48.380 You still are my first wife.

00:20:50.700 Okay.

00:20:51.220 Okay.

00:20:51.660 Understood.

00:20:52.240 Understood.

00:20:52.920 Ladies line up.

00:20:54.060 Yeah.

00:20:54.440 That's why,

00:20:55.020 that's why I keep

00:20:55.560 the show going.

00:20:56.340 So I've got other women

00:20:57.020 of course.

00:20:58.860 Right.

00:20:59.280 Silly me.

00:21:00.320 Yes.

00:21:00.560 And they know

00:21:01.220 because,

00:21:02.000 you know,

00:21:02.280 I barely beat you

00:21:03.180 on the show.

00:21:04.100 So they know

00:21:05.100 that I am

00:21:06.840 high status,

00:21:07.800 right?

00:21:08.120 So they're a good,

00:21:08.920 good husband,

00:21:09.640 right?

00:21:10.060 Good husband.

00:21:10.840 Oh,

00:21:11.000 is this why we're

00:21:11.520 in separate rooms?

00:21:12.260 Because I'm just

00:21:12.820 so afraid of you.

00:21:14.940 Absolutely.

00:21:15.340 I will fly into a rage.

00:21:19.400 Oh my God.

00:21:22.160 I,

00:21:22.760 by the way,

00:21:23.080 I really appreciate you.

00:21:24.320 So we have this

00:21:24.860 documentarian here.

00:21:25.880 He's like being

00:21:27.060 very aggressive

00:21:27.960 with me about

00:21:28.760 like crazy

00:21:29.620 political stuff.

00:21:30.700 Like at one point

00:21:32.940 she was like,

00:21:33.540 what are you talking

00:21:34.260 about?

00:21:34.580 There's no such thing

00:21:35.360 as white privilege.

00:21:36.720 She's like,

00:21:37.220 there's places

00:21:37.740 in this country.

00:21:38.400 I didn't say

00:21:38.880 no such thing.

00:21:39.360 What I said is

00:21:39.860 all ethnicities

00:21:41.120 have their own

00:21:41.680 challenges and benefits,

00:21:43.460 right?

00:21:43.600 Like it's comparing

00:21:44.700 apples to oranges,

00:21:45.380 but she goes,

00:21:46.420 but don't you admit

00:21:47.620 that there are

00:21:47.980 some places

00:21:48.420 in this country

00:21:49.080 where you can't go,

00:21:50.320 you'll fear

00:21:50.820 for your life

00:21:51.380 as a black person.

00:21:52.040 And I was like,

00:21:53.440 are you saying

00:21:54.040 that white people

00:21:54.720 don't like,

00:21:55.180 there's not places

00:21:55.740 that you can't go

00:21:56.500 as a white person?

00:21:57.560 And she's like,

00:21:58.800 there aren't.

00:21:59.380 And I was like,

00:21:59.760 no,

00:21:59.920 there like clearly are.

00:22:02.200 Like,

00:22:02.360 do you live

00:22:03.020 in another reality

00:22:05.560 than me?

00:22:06.080 Like this,

00:22:06.620 when she was like,

00:22:07.600 there aren't places

00:22:08.680 that white people

00:22:09.340 can't go.

00:22:11.080 This is when,

00:22:12.080 and this has actually

00:22:12.580 been a recent thing

00:22:13.180 for us because

00:22:13.520 it's sort of

00:22:14.020 police stuff.

00:22:14.400 I was like,

00:22:14.740 I just can't work

00:22:15.380 with you.

00:22:15.620 like this isn't,

00:22:16.980 this isn't a political

00:22:18.100 difference of opinion.

00:22:19.500 This is like living

00:22:21.480 in a different reality.

00:22:23.080 Yeah.

00:22:23.220 I've literally been

00:22:24.240 places in the past

00:22:25.500 traveling alone

00:22:26.540 in my twenties

00:22:27.840 in other countries

00:22:28.920 where I believed

00:22:32.680 because I was a progressive

00:22:34.000 like this person

00:22:35.220 Malcolm's referring to.

00:22:36.360 I believed that

00:22:38.340 as a white person,

00:22:39.900 I was safe

00:22:40.800 absolutely everywhere

00:22:41.940 because of my privilege,

00:22:43.440 et cetera.

00:22:44.880 And I had instances

00:22:47.200 of,

00:22:48.020 you know,

00:22:48.300 me getting in a taxi

00:22:49.280 saying like,

00:22:50.000 Hey,

00:22:50.360 you know,

00:22:50.600 take me to this place

00:22:51.700 and drop me off.

00:22:52.960 And they're like,

00:22:54.140 lady,

00:22:55.980 you can't do that.

00:22:59.180 And then literally

00:23:00.120 parking their cars

00:23:01.640 and walking me

00:23:02.960 inside

00:23:04.000 to like train stations

00:23:05.440 and walking me

00:23:06.340 to the ticket counter

00:23:07.080 and being like,

00:23:08.240 okay,

00:23:08.520 now you stay here

00:23:09.560 within the line of sight

00:23:10.480 of this police officer

00:23:11.500 until the train comes.

00:23:13.260 Things like that.

00:23:13.980 And,

00:23:14.300 and me being like,

00:23:15.220 well,

00:23:15.500 that was weird.

00:23:16.560 I wonder why they did that.

00:23:18.720 Well,

00:23:18.740 there's the famous case

00:23:19.800 of the woman

00:23:20.480 who was like,

00:23:21.660 I am going to do

00:23:23.420 a,

00:23:24.080 a sort of like

00:23:25.120 hitchhiking across

00:23:26.420 Europe in the Middle East

00:23:27.700 to like show that like,

00:23:29.440 you know,

00:23:29.780 all countries are friendly.

00:23:31.180 Right.

00:23:31.940 And it was within

00:23:32.680 the first mile

00:23:34.020 of being in a Muslim

00:23:35.520 majority body.

00:23:36.220 Her,

00:23:36.620 her,

00:23:36.960 her body was later found

00:23:38.400 graped to death

00:23:39.840 within the first mile

00:23:41.760 of going into the country.

00:23:42.880 And,

00:23:43.440 and it's just because

00:23:44.020 it's,

00:23:44.320 it's different,

00:23:44.820 right?

00:23:44.980 Like she,

00:23:45.700 she just,

00:23:46.760 but this woman lived

00:23:48.340 in this alternate reality

00:23:49.520 to such an extent.

00:23:50.200 What I appreciated about you,

00:23:51.280 because you wouldn't have done

00:23:51.800 this earlier

00:23:52.220 in our relationship

00:23:52.840 is you were defending me

00:23:54.940 and defending sanity

00:23:56.560 so strongly

00:23:57.920 to this individual.

00:23:58.780 Right.

00:23:59.600 And not

00:24:00.540 like pussying out.

00:24:02.440 Right.

00:24:03.520 And I really

00:24:04.420 appreciated that.

00:24:05.340 Like,

00:24:05.660 I really appreciated it.

00:24:06.740 Good and should have done more.

00:24:08.200 I was trying,

00:24:09.020 I still try probably

00:24:10.520 too much to be nice,

00:24:11.560 but yeah,

00:24:13.020 we,

00:24:13.440 we,

00:24:13.840 we,

00:24:14.480 I remember when she was like,

00:24:16.580 you know,

00:24:16.860 like,

00:24:17.200 oh,

00:24:17.440 come on,

00:24:17.980 like trans people

00:24:18.640 are the victim group here.

00:24:19.720 And you're like,

00:24:20.360 how can they be the victim group

00:24:21.800 if they're the group

00:24:22.560 I can't criticize

00:24:23.300 without being fired?

00:24:24.340 Right.

00:24:24.600 Like if I accidentally

00:24:25.960 misgender somebody

00:24:26.600 that could literally

00:24:27.260 get me fired for my job,

00:24:28.460 how can that group

00:24:29.480 be the group

00:24:29.940 without institutional power?

00:24:31.540 And I thought that

00:24:32.420 that was very eloquently put,

00:24:33.980 but the problem being,

00:24:35.240 I mean,

00:24:35.420 things have changed now

00:24:36.320 post vibe shift,

00:24:37.500 which is,

00:24:38.080 I think why maybe we're seeing

00:24:39.360 even more polarization

00:24:41.940 because there's that feeling

00:24:44.160 of less indemnity.

00:24:45.900 Very interesting for me

00:24:47.460 because the left

00:24:49.360 is like making

00:24:50.620 all of the wrong moves

00:24:52.160 in a way that

00:24:53.960 I don't understand

00:24:55.020 how they're ever going to like

00:24:56.820 come back in the culture war.

00:24:58.400 And it seems pretty clear to me

00:25:00.500 what they need

00:25:01.420 is they need to run a candidate

00:25:02.800 like the candidates

00:25:04.400 that have won before,

00:25:05.360 you know,

00:25:05.740 when,

00:25:06.100 when a party was

00:25:06.920 incredibly unpopular,

00:25:07.740 like Trump,

00:25:08.560 like Democrats right now

00:25:09.520 are at their least popular ever.

00:25:10.920 I think it's in the past

00:25:11.660 10 years or something

00:25:12.380 like just incredibly unpopular.

00:25:13.800 And Republicans were here

00:25:14.680 once before

00:25:15.140 and then Trump comes

00:25:15.780 and he has a bunch of policies

00:25:16.820 that are standard

00:25:17.700 progressive policies

00:25:18.660 and he has a bunch of policies

00:25:19.740 that are actually to the right

00:25:20.700 of other right-leaning individuals.

00:25:22.740 And Bill Clinton,

00:25:23.860 when he did this last time,

00:25:25.040 he was the same way.

00:25:25.740 He had some policies

00:25:27.020 that were to the left

00:25:27.700 of other left-leaning individuals

00:25:28.680 and some policies

00:25:29.340 that were just straight up conservative.

00:25:31.120 And I think that

00:25:32.060 that's what we need to see

00:25:33.280 with the next progressive to win.

00:25:35.020 We need cargo,

00:25:35.620 shorts, sweatshirt, dude.

00:25:36.940 What's his name again?

00:25:37.860 John Fetterman.

00:25:39.120 Josh,

00:25:39.560 Josh Fetterman?

00:25:40.520 Josh Fetterman.

00:25:41.080 No, Fetterman could do well

00:25:42.960 Roger Fetterman?

00:25:43.760 No.

00:25:44.500 Nationally.

00:25:45.620 The problem is

00:25:46.600 John Fetterman.

00:25:47.820 John Fetterman, I told you.

00:25:48.960 Yeah.

00:25:49.300 Is that the DNC

00:25:51.240 and the political class

00:25:52.740 is going to fight him

00:25:53.460 so ardently.

00:25:54.940 Like, I don't know.

00:25:55.880 To their detriment.

00:25:56.960 Keep in mind,

00:25:58.020 the Republican Party

00:25:59.320 vehemently

00:26:00.820 tried to fight Trump.

00:26:02.480 Yeah, but they sat

00:26:03.220 in behind closed doors

00:26:04.720 Republican donor meetings

00:26:06.340 where we heard

00:26:07.460 politicians

00:26:08.300 say to these donors,

00:26:09.860 don't worry,

00:26:11.140 we have a plan

00:26:11.880 to make sure

00:26:12.440 he's not a threat to us.

00:26:14.140 Like, we're going to make sure

00:26:15.200 he doesn't make it past,

00:26:17.380 you know,

00:26:17.840 the nomination.

00:26:18.940 They tried to collude.

00:26:20.020 Like, I'm telling you,

00:26:20.580 behind closed doors.

00:26:21.580 100%.

00:26:22.060 It's funny that we were,

00:26:23.020 like, invited

00:26:23.700 to, like, big Republican,

00:26:24.960 I think it was because

00:26:25.420 they were trying

00:26:25.780 to show off to us,

00:26:26.600 but, like,

00:26:27.000 very important

00:26:27.680 Republican donors

00:26:28.840 meeting with,

00:26:30.420 like, senators

00:26:31.080 and stuff like this.

00:26:32.540 And that's what

00:26:33.520 they were talking about there.

00:26:35.140 They're like,

00:26:35.680 we got this on lock.

00:26:36.720 So that's why I think

00:26:37.520 Fetterman does have a shot

00:26:38.980 because, I mean,

00:26:39.640 it's not as though...

00:26:40.420 No, no, no.

00:26:40.760 The DNC is nothing

00:26:41.720 like the RNC.

00:26:42.420 It's way harder

00:26:43.520 to get around.

00:26:44.360 Oh, they just have

00:26:45.500 better control

00:26:46.460 and barriers?

00:26:47.400 I don't know.

00:26:47.840 I always thought

00:26:48.320 of the RNC.

00:26:49.240 No, they do.

00:26:49.660 I mean, keep in mind,

00:26:51.100 the DNC was able

00:26:51.760 to, like,

00:26:52.120 literally just appoint

00:26:53.300 Kamala as the nominee.

00:26:55.480 Okay.

00:26:56.160 The RNC was considering

00:26:58.960 this at that level

00:26:59.860 of unpopularity,

00:27:00.700 but what this means

00:27:01.820 and why I was mentioning

00:27:02.580 all of this is

00:27:03.260 it's going to push people

00:27:04.360 like this extremist

00:27:05.420 into, like,

00:27:05.960 a more narrow category.

00:27:08.540 Like, one of the things

00:27:09.340 that she asked me

00:27:10.300 was, like,

00:27:10.740 about white privilege.

00:27:11.680 And I was quite taken aback

00:27:12.540 by this.

00:27:13.240 She's like,

00:27:13.740 do you, like,

00:27:14.220 deny your white privilege

00:27:15.140 or something?

00:27:15.580 And at one point,

00:27:15.980 I said she felt ashamed

00:27:17.200 for being white.

00:27:18.020 And I was like,

00:27:18.900 do you not know

00:27:19.940 that, like,

00:27:20.420 these things

00:27:21.140 are just racist now?

00:27:22.500 Like, it'd be like

00:27:23.040 going to a black person

00:27:23.860 and being like,

00:27:24.240 are you ashamed

00:27:24.700 of being black?

00:27:25.680 Like, within mainstream

00:27:27.540 progressive politics,

00:27:28.500 people don't even say

00:27:29.300 this stuff anymore.

00:27:30.360 Right?

00:27:30.580 Like, this isn't, like,

00:27:32.620 like a, this is,

00:27:33.600 this is, like,

00:27:34.120 extremist crazy talk stuff.

00:27:35.680 Like, this is, like,

00:27:37.000 the progressive equivalent

00:27:38.340 of, like,

00:27:38.840 white nationalism

00:27:39.520 at this point.

00:27:40.660 And yet,

00:27:41.340 there's still a pocket

00:27:42.420 of people

00:27:42.940 who have doubled down

00:27:43.780 on this.

00:27:44.360 Well, you know what else

00:27:45.900 is telling about Gen Z

00:27:47.960 in general?

00:27:49.580 And this is across the board

00:27:50.720 because I'm also looking at,

00:27:52.060 okay, what does everyone

00:27:52.860 have in common,

00:27:53.880 basically,

00:27:54.400 regardless of,

00:27:55.180 of gender,

00:27:56.440 sex,

00:27:56.820 or political affiliation?

00:27:59.760 They've basically

00:28:00.580 given up

00:28:01.400 on being debt-free.

00:28:03.620 Having no debt,

00:28:05.040 while it's different

00:28:05.880 places and rankings,

00:28:07.600 it's at 21%

00:28:09.080 for men who voted

00:28:09.960 for Trump,

00:28:10.700 it's at 21%

00:28:12.240 for women who voted

00:28:13.060 for Harris,

00:28:13.780 23% for women

00:28:15.140 who voted for Trump.

00:28:15.640 Well, you're the one

00:28:16.360 who makes us live

00:28:17.400 debt-free,

00:28:18.020 even though, like,

00:28:18.460 financially,

00:28:19.020 you're not.

00:28:19.220 I know, for me,

00:28:19.760 it's, like,

00:28:20.120 number one,

00:28:20.780 no debt,

00:28:21.480 I owe people nothing.

00:28:23.080 It's, like, a really,

00:28:24.080 I feel deeply uncomfortable.

00:28:26.100 Even if someone

00:28:26.640 compliments me,

00:28:27.640 I'm, like,

00:28:27.960 I need to compliment

00:28:28.720 them immediately

00:28:29.560 so that my ledger

00:28:30.380 is cleared.

00:28:31.040 You don't understand.

00:28:32.180 There's this, like,

00:28:33.100 autistic obsession

00:28:34.100 that I have

00:28:34.880 of not owing

00:28:36.600 anyone anything.

00:28:39.040 Like, if Lannisters

00:28:39.920 always pay their debts,

00:28:41.360 Simones always pay

00:28:42.500 their debts

00:28:42.800 immediately.

00:28:44.020 It burns.

00:28:44.980 It burns.

00:28:45.880 I can't even begin

00:28:46.880 to tell you.

00:28:47.640 But, and then,

00:28:48.120 of men who voted

00:28:49.060 for Harris,

00:28:50.040 even fewer,

00:28:51.000 16% noted

00:28:52.520 that as important

00:28:53.080 to them.

00:28:53.620 I really feel,

00:28:55.320 and maybe this is

00:28:56.000 something we can

00:28:56.700 explore in a podcast

00:28:57.920 when they have

00:28:58.320 more fodder

00:28:58.840 in general,

00:29:00.720 that we were

00:29:01.220 approaching a kind

00:29:02.160 of absurdist

00:29:02.900 postmodern era

00:29:04.140 when it comes to

00:29:04.920 debt between

00:29:06.020 Afterpay and

00:29:07.800 Klarna and all

00:29:08.680 these buy now

00:29:09.200 pay later services.

00:29:10.160 You always talk

00:29:11.800 about this

00:29:12.100 and you're just

00:29:12.420 so wrong.

00:29:13.380 She expects

00:29:13.880 some massive

00:29:14.520 jubilee, right?

00:29:15.860 The reason why

00:29:16.580 you can't easily

00:29:17.400 get a massive

00:29:18.060 jubilee is

00:29:19.300 because the debt

00:29:20.280 is not centrally

00:29:21.420 owned.

00:29:22.300 What you think is...

00:29:23.500 No, I think we're

00:29:24.020 going to see, like,

00:29:24.580 what happened in

00:29:25.220 Japan multiple times

00:29:26.540 where just, like,

00:29:27.760 a bunch of people

00:29:28.400 who held debt

00:29:29.020 or companies,

00:29:29.740 businesses that

00:29:30.220 held debt,

00:29:30.780 was like,

00:29:31.140 well, guess what?

00:29:32.020 You're not getting paid.

00:29:32.640 The problem is

00:29:33.700 is it's not

00:29:34.360 the company's...

00:29:35.180 Okay, so I'll

00:29:35.920 explain this to you

00:29:36.520 because confusion

00:29:37.900 here.

00:29:38.480 So when you get

00:29:39.660 debt at, like,

00:29:40.680 a bank or something

00:29:41.540 like that,

00:29:41.980 especially the types

00:29:42.980 of debt that people

00:29:43.660 may not pay back,

00:29:44.760 this debt is

00:29:46.080 bundled with

00:29:46.980 other people's

00:29:47.660 debts.

00:29:47.800 Yeah, it's in

00:29:48.320 teachers' pension

00:29:49.000 funds.

00:29:50.360 And then sold

00:29:52.140 to institutions

00:29:53.440 which are

00:29:55.100 invested in.

00:29:56.160 The problem is

00:29:57.640 when you wipe

00:29:58.780 debt off the

00:29:59.780 books,

00:30:00.500 what you're

00:30:01.000 wiping off the

00:30:01.840 books is, like,

00:30:03.800 pension funds

00:30:04.860 and retirement

00:30:06.220 plans and

00:30:07.900 city budgets.

00:30:10.020 Don't you think

00:30:10.800 those groups

00:30:12.600 will stop

00:30:13.660 allowing their

00:30:15.020 money to be

00:30:16.040 deployed with

00:30:18.240 businesses that

00:30:20.060 include debts

00:30:21.340 in their

00:30:22.120 portfolios?

00:30:23.480 Well, everybody

00:30:24.360 thought this was

00:30:24.980 going to happen

00:30:25.360 after the last

00:30:25.940 financial crisis

00:30:26.600 that resulted

00:30:27.120 in this.

00:30:27.500 I mean,

00:30:27.640 this is what

00:30:27.860 the 2008

00:30:29.260 mortgage thing

00:30:30.980 was literally

00:30:31.600 just due to

00:30:32.340 bounding of

00:30:33.180 debt.

00:30:33.560 And so they

00:30:33.800 changed the

00:30:35.960 wording and

00:30:36.860 stuff like that.

00:30:37.440 But it was just

00:30:38.280 really risky

00:30:39.160 mortgages in that

00:30:40.220 one case.

00:30:40.780 Like, people

00:30:41.760 I think began to

00:30:42.960 only associate it

00:30:43.840 with very, very

00:30:44.700 specific types of

00:30:46.420 debt instruments.

00:30:48.220 Whereas, I mean,

00:30:48.700 probably people are

00:30:49.820 better at hiding it

00:30:50.660 now.

00:30:51.280 And just,

00:30:52.040 they're, yeah.

00:30:54.020 But I don't know.

00:30:55.780 I just, I think

00:30:56.980 that people have

00:30:58.020 both given up on

00:30:59.120 not being in

00:30:59.920 debt, but

00:31:00.300 they're also

00:31:00.720 like, I'll just

00:31:01.360 always be in

00:31:02.200 debt and I'm

00:31:02.720 just never

00:31:03.160 really going to

00:31:03.780 pay it.

00:31:04.960 And then I'll

00:31:05.620 declare bankruptcy

00:31:06.420 a couple times

00:31:07.240 in life.

00:31:08.160 And I guess at

00:31:09.000 that point,

00:31:09.540 people will not

00:31:10.760 be able to have

00:31:11.500 any debt for a

00:31:12.180 while because

00:31:12.800 their credit

00:31:13.560 will be so

00:31:14.060 bad.

00:31:15.300 But I don't

00:31:17.560 know.

00:31:17.740 I think that

00:31:18.160 that just also

00:31:18.780 points to, I

00:31:19.920 mean, people

00:31:20.300 really have this

00:31:21.020 desire, which is

00:31:21.760 also showing up

00:31:22.520 in the numbers

00:31:23.020 to be financially

00:31:24.700 independent, but

00:31:27.280 they've also, as

00:31:28.980 much as they

00:31:29.400 want that, they're

00:31:30.540 also like, but

00:31:31.200 yeah, I'm going to

00:31:31.740 be in debt for

00:31:32.300 my whole life.

00:31:33.440 I don't, I

00:31:33.760 don't, I think

00:31:34.740 that this is just

00:31:35.320 normal debt as

00:31:36.180 opposed to your

00:31:36.660 like autistic

00:31:37.240 debt and that's

00:31:37.800 why they don't

00:31:38.040 feel this way.

00:31:38.720 And I actually

00:31:39.320 put that the

00:31:39.780 debt thing is

00:31:40.320 higher up than

00:31:40.820 I'd expect.

00:31:41.600 Like having no

00:31:42.500 debt is more

00:31:43.040 important for men

00:31:44.520 who voted for

00:31:45.080 Harris and being

00:31:45.700 married.

00:31:48.180 You know, so

00:31:49.080 Yeah, but marriage,

00:31:50.140 if you're

00:31:51.340 progressive, what

00:31:52.000 is marriage anyway?

00:31:52.940 Like marriage has

00:31:53.500 so little value if

00:31:54.440 you're progressive.

00:31:55.080 That doesn't

00:31:55.320 surprise me.

00:31:56.740 Yeah.

00:31:57.220 Well, I mean, it's

00:31:57.720 why they won't be

00:31:58.300 here for long.

00:31:58.860 Like 40% of the

00:31:59.780 way you vote is

00:32:00.300 genetic, which

00:32:00.800 we've talked

00:32:01.140 about and nine

00:32:02.520 out of, of, of

00:32:03.840 10 Democrat

00:32:04.680 children vote like

00:32:05.480 their parents and

00:32:06.360 it's eight out of

00:32:07.040 10 Republican

00:32:07.480 children vote like

00:32:08.160 their parents.

00:32:09.140 And so if

00:32:09.700 Republicans are

00:32:10.200 having massively

00:32:10.720 more kids,

00:32:11.920 there's just not

00:32:13.400 going to be

00:32:13.840 Democrats left,

00:32:14.900 which I think

00:32:16.480 we're already sort

00:32:17.040 of seeing that's

00:32:18.020 that's sort of

00:32:18.440 where society is

00:32:19.000 going.

00:32:19.480 Well, I mean,

00:32:19.800 the plan was just

00:32:20.580 to have immigrants

00:32:21.280 be Democrats,

00:32:22.900 right?

00:32:23.080 Yeah.

00:32:23.220 Yeah.

00:32:23.360 It turns out that

00:32:23.980 immigrants are very

00:32:24.820 conservative people.

00:32:27.000 Whoops.

00:32:28.080 Whoops.

00:32:29.140 They told the

00:32:30.080 progressives,

00:32:30.620 they're like,

00:32:31.040 you know,

00:32:31.400 we're going to get

00:32:31.920 rid of this whole

00:32:32.520 gay thing pretty

00:32:33.720 soon.

00:32:34.060 Like as soon as

00:32:34.740 we're in the

00:32:35.500 majority,

00:32:35.880 right?

00:32:36.840 We're on board

00:32:37.620 with that.

00:32:37.920 And progressives

00:32:38.380 are like,

00:32:38.760 it's not a today

00:32:39.680 problem.

00:32:41.000 Which is very

00:32:41.780 interesting.

00:32:43.040 But this is part

00:32:44.460 of why gays,

00:32:45.900 especially like

00:32:46.880 normal gays,

00:32:47.700 make such good

00:32:48.560 conservative allies.

00:32:49.420 This is what moved

00:32:50.060 Scott Pressler to

00:32:50.720 the conservative

00:32:51.140 camp was a fear

00:32:52.660 of Sharia law

00:32:54.340 and immigrants

00:32:55.840 committing anti-gay

00:32:57.160 violence.

00:32:58.140 And yeah,

00:32:59.040 it just perfectly

00:32:59.880 aligns them with

00:33:00.720 our interests.

00:33:02.040 And they've had an

00:33:02.940 easy time working

00:33:04.400 with Christian

00:33:05.460 organizations where

00:33:06.420 even if they

00:33:06.880 disagree with their

00:33:07.560 lifestyle,

00:33:08.500 Christianity is a

00:33:09.120 fairly unique

00:33:09.700 religion due to

00:33:11.100 the whole,

00:33:11.500 you know,

00:33:11.740 render under Caesar

00:33:12.480 separation of church

00:33:14.120 and state that's

00:33:15.000 promoted was in the

00:33:15.820 Bible because very

00:33:16.580 few other religions

00:33:17.360 have that as

00:33:18.340 clearly delineated.

00:33:19.580 Progressive ideology

00:33:20.380 in general is

00:33:21.680 focused on in the

00:33:23.680 moment suffering.

00:33:24.840 This is really

00:33:25.280 interesting.

00:33:25.700 When I was talking

00:33:26.120 to this demographer,

00:33:27.480 the documentarian,

00:33:29.040 and we were talking

00:33:29.880 about the differences

00:33:30.320 between conservatives

00:33:30.900 and progressives.

00:33:31.580 She's like,

00:33:31.760 why do conservatives

00:33:32.320 care about this?

00:33:33.420 Because I'm like,

00:33:34.340 progressives don't

00:33:35.100 care about suffering

00:33:36.000 that happens in the

00:33:36.640 future.

00:33:37.020 It's like,

00:33:37.280 when I told you.

00:33:38.840 Well,

00:33:39.280 and she was like,

00:33:40.460 yeah,

00:33:40.680 I don't care about

00:33:41.540 suffering that happens

00:33:42.360 in the future,

00:33:42.920 which is crazy.

00:33:44.500 It shows what she

00:33:45.780 said,

00:33:46.300 and she was being

00:33:46.800 honest here,

00:33:47.160 which I appreciate,

00:33:48.120 is she's like,

00:33:48.740 yeah,

00:33:48.980 like intuitively

00:33:49.540 when you explain

00:33:50.620 to me that in a

00:33:51.440 few decades,

00:33:51.960 social security

00:33:52.460 is going to go

00:33:52.820 bust,

00:33:53.340 I felt no sympathy

00:33:54.420 for those future

00:33:55.020 people.

00:33:56.380 So I think it's

00:33:57.200 sort of like how

00:33:57.820 you relate to time

00:33:58.900 that puts you

00:33:59.360 in one of these

00:33:59.760 two groups.

00:34:00.540 Do you care about

00:34:01.600 only people in

00:34:03.020 the present,

00:34:03.540 or do you care

00:34:04.080 about people across

00:34:04.860 the entire range

00:34:05.940 of timescapes?

00:34:07.060 And I think that

00:34:07.800 that's also why

00:34:08.920 so many of the

00:34:10.060 progressive things

00:34:10.820 are so like time

00:34:11.660 sensitive,

00:34:12.220 like do it now,

00:34:14.260 whereas the

00:34:14.580 conservative things

00:34:15.200 are more like

00:34:15.760 life-life

00:34:16.580 milestones,

00:34:17.760 you know,

00:34:18.240 like having

00:34:19.600 money to buy

00:34:20.160 the things you

00:34:20.720 want versus

00:34:21.520 being married.

00:34:23.140 Yeah,

00:34:23.700 that makes sense.

00:34:25.740 That absolutely

00:34:26.560 makes sense.

00:34:28.260 So how would

00:34:29.460 you mark these,

00:34:30.460 by the way,

00:34:30.940 Simone,

00:34:31.820 if you were going

00:34:32.540 to rate them

00:34:32.920 for yourself?

00:34:33.460 Oh, like what

00:34:35.480 would I rank at

00:34:36.120 the top now?

00:34:37.900 Me now as an

00:34:39.100 adult.

00:34:39.760 As an adult.

00:34:40.540 Yeah, you can do

00:34:40.980 you now and then

00:34:41.640 as a kid.

00:34:42.240 Do like your top

00:34:42.920 three at least.

00:34:46.340 I get it.

00:34:46.640 Mine's easy.

00:34:47.640 It would be having

00:34:48.700 children would always

00:34:49.980 have been my top

00:34:51.040 one.

00:34:51.440 Yeah, that's number

00:34:52.000 one.

00:34:52.540 And then I see

00:34:53.440 making family slash

00:34:54.580 community proud.

00:34:55.620 I would probably put

00:34:56.340 that as number two

00:34:56.920 because I think I

00:34:57.480 define that as

00:34:58.080 raising my children

00:34:58.800 well and doing

00:35:00.120 good.

00:35:02.260 And then in

00:35:03.320 there it would be

00:35:04.220 number three,

00:35:05.080 using talents and

00:35:05.940 resources to help

00:35:06.860 others, which also

00:35:08.600 again is just

00:35:09.240 serving my objective

00:35:10.080 function.

00:35:10.820 You didn't say

00:35:11.820 financial independence.

00:35:13.320 No, well, because

00:35:14.140 everything that we

00:35:16.200 are doing is

00:35:18.340 downstream of our

00:35:19.380 objective function

00:35:20.300 and financial

00:35:21.760 independence is not

00:35:23.580 part of our

00:35:25.040 objective function.

00:35:25.980 I mean, it would be

00:35:26.560 helpful if we didn't

00:35:27.640 have the need for

00:35:28.500 more income, but

00:35:29.680 based on the

00:35:30.260 choices that we've

00:35:31.080 made, we have

00:35:32.980 clearly decided to

00:35:34.480 use our talents and

00:35:35.180 resources to help

00:35:35.940 others have

00:35:36.740 children and have

00:35:38.820 and make our

00:35:40.620 family and community

00:35:41.380 proud like to

00:35:42.420 and by that I mean

00:35:44.680 like try to help

00:35:45.620 them flourish, which

00:35:46.520 is how I think we

00:35:47.260 would define that.

00:35:48.340 We have clearly

00:35:49.320 done that.

00:35:50.040 Like we are going

00:35:52.020 to have to work

00:35:52.940 probably until we

00:35:54.800 die just to make

00:35:56.740 ends meet on a

00:35:57.640 day-to-day basis

00:35:58.440 unless our fab

00:35:59.460 takes off and

00:36:00.120 it's awesome right

00:36:00.800 now.

00:36:01.000 You guys should

00:36:01.280 check it out.

00:36:01.800 Our fab.ai is

00:36:02.820 actually working

00:36:03.800 now and it's

00:36:04.580 actually better than

00:36:05.360 like character AI

00:36:06.240 and replica and

00:36:07.360 all the other ones

00:36:07.920 you had me try.

00:36:08.780 It's a little slow

00:36:09.500 right now, but it'll

00:36:10.460 improve and we're

00:36:11.700 going to be working

00:36:12.080 on a lot of features

00:36:12.780 that are going to be

00:36:13.220 coming out very

00:36:13.660 quickly because now I

00:36:14.640 am the coder.

00:36:15.540 I learned to code

00:36:16.560 more financial

00:36:17.160 independence, more

00:36:18.320 you are the captain

00:36:19.440 now.

00:36:20.260 Well, you and Bruno

00:36:21.100 dream team.

00:36:22.080 Bruno's been really

00:36:22.880 helpful.

00:36:23.080 I couldn't do it

00:36:23.880 without somebody who

00:36:24.380 can actually code like

00:36:25.200 Bruno.

00:36:25.420 Yeah, this is a

00:36:27.020 you and Bruno thing.

00:36:28.040 Bruno deserves his

00:36:29.520 flowers.

00:36:29.700 I've been having a

00:36:30.300 team.

00:36:30.840 Fucking, sorry, teams

00:36:33.340 are just a waste.

00:36:35.000 Bruno's awesome

00:36:35.700 though.

00:36:35.880 Whenever I do

00:36:36.700 anything, teams take

00:36:41.200 so much time and

00:36:41.880 cost so much money

00:36:42.540 and it's just do it

00:36:43.640 yourself.

00:36:44.440 Dynamic duos though.

00:36:45.560 I think it really does

00:36:46.420 help to have someone

00:36:47.240 else to not work in

00:36:48.020 isolation so that you

00:36:49.240 and Bruno are working

00:36:50.000 on this.

00:36:50.580 You and I like to

00:36:51.340 work on things.

00:36:51.840 I think we, at least

00:36:53.900 in our own lives, have

00:36:54.920 seen that working with

00:36:56.600 at least one other,

00:36:57.960 one only one other

00:36:59.080 person on projects is

00:37:00.620 quite helpful.

00:37:02.600 Well, so go to

00:37:03.120 rfab.ai and try the

00:37:04.140 adventure mode or the

00:37:04.900 not safe for work mode.

00:37:05.880 But yeah, I mean, I

00:37:06.600 think that that if

00:37:07.760 you are an

00:37:08.340 ideologically driven

00:37:09.320 person, you're not

00:37:10.940 going to carry care as

00:37:12.700 much about wealth,

00:37:14.520 financial dependent,

00:37:15.500 independence, retirement,

00:37:16.740 et cetera.

00:37:17.760 And you're going to care

00:37:18.380 a whole lot more about

00:37:19.400 putting your children,

00:37:21.080 your family, your

00:37:21.900 community and your

00:37:22.660 values first.

00:37:23.680 And the nice thing

00:37:24.960 about doing that in

00:37:26.660 many cases is that

00:37:27.840 means that your

00:37:28.700 children and community

00:37:29.860 are there for you when

00:37:31.500 you really, really need

00:37:32.260 them.

00:37:32.720 But it also means that

00:37:33.540 you're never going to

00:37:34.320 live with a level of

00:37:35.640 super high material

00:37:36.460 wealth and comfort.

00:37:37.420 And that's OK, because

00:37:39.280 as we found from the

00:37:41.300 exposure we've been very

00:37:42.580 fortunate to have to

00:37:43.920 these things, they

00:37:44.600 don't actually make you

00:37:46.060 happy, satisfied,

00:37:48.060 mentally grounded, any

00:37:49.280 of those things.

00:37:50.200 You don't want them.

00:37:52.320 They're not what you

00:37:53.240 think they are.

00:37:54.060 Anyway, I love you to

00:37:56.680 death, Simone.

00:37:57.280 You are absolutely

00:37:58.500 amazing.

00:37:59.300 Thank you for not being

00:38:00.860 one of these Trump

00:38:01.840 voting women who don't

00:38:02.680 even seem to have like

00:38:03.520 like that.

00:38:04.420 That's the thing that

00:38:04.960 got me is is they had

00:38:06.740 stuff like, you know,

00:38:07.820 having kids so low for

00:38:08.800 them.

00:38:09.340 I was like, well, at

00:38:10.600 least they'll be saying

00:38:11.760 and I'm like, oh,

00:38:12.700 well, I wonder if they

00:38:13.760 put things like able to

00:38:14.880 retire early, which is

00:38:16.340 the very bottom of the

00:38:17.140 list for women who voted

00:38:18.400 for Trump at nine

00:38:19.200 percent.

00:38:19.840 I wonder if that has

00:38:21.300 more to do with the

00:38:22.040 fact that they expect

00:38:22.720 to be housewives.

00:38:24.780 So like what is

00:38:26.360 retirement?

00:38:27.360 If you're a homemaker,

00:38:28.380 you never retire

00:38:29.460 because.

00:38:30.680 Well, I mean,

00:38:31.960 didn't didn't Trump

00:38:34.400 male voters also put

00:38:35.480 that there?

00:38:37.300 For men who voted

00:38:38.620 for Trump and also

00:38:40.740 men who voted for

00:38:41.700 Harris and women who

00:38:42.920 voted for Harris.

00:38:44.000 But see, I connect

00:38:45.080 that with the whole

00:38:45.760 debt thing.

00:38:46.800 And like people just

00:38:48.420 expect that they're

00:38:49.180 always going to be in

00:38:50.080 debt and they're never

00:38:50.720 going to retire because

00:38:52.080 that's the economy that

00:38:53.120 we're we're living in.

00:38:54.280 We no longer live in an

00:38:55.520 economy where we get

00:38:56.720 social security.

00:38:57.820 We no longer live in an

00:38:59.240 economy where people

00:39:00.580 are able to do what

00:39:01.840 they want without

00:39:03.240 debt.

00:39:03.700 There's a whole new

00:39:04.320 trend or get a house

00:39:05.600 even a new trend where

00:39:07.120 for a while there was

00:39:09.360 this sort of like

00:39:10.100 Swedish minimalist

00:39:11.420 aesthetic that was being

00:39:12.560 really pushed like in

00:39:13.780 decorating blogs and in

00:39:15.000 stores.

00:39:15.940 Do you know what the

00:39:16.820 aesthetic is now?

00:39:18.300 What's the aesthetic?

00:39:18.800 What's the aesthetic

00:39:19.340 these days?

00:39:19.700 Medieval castles.

00:39:21.120 Like people are making

00:39:23.440 their tiny little dingy

00:39:25.060 apartments look like

00:39:27.500 old medieval castles and

00:39:29.860 in some cases more like

00:39:30.780 you know Victorian.

00:39:32.500 I mean Wayne's gutting has

00:39:33.740 been really big and but

00:39:34.840 people are I think trying

00:39:37.080 to create knowing that

00:39:38.500 they're never going to

00:39:39.220 own a house.

00:39:40.480 They're building their

00:39:41.980 little hamster cages into

00:39:44.000 sets that look like these

00:39:47.060 things acknowledging that

00:39:49.060 they will never have the

00:39:50.120 wealth to even get

00:39:51.900 modest a modest house.

00:39:54.280 So that's that's just

00:39:55.460 where we are and I just

00:39:56.600 find that really really

00:39:59.760 depressing.

00:40:00.120 But it is interesting to

00:40:01.360 see what what Gen Z has

00:40:03.700 in common across the sex

00:40:06.460 and political spectrum in

00:40:07.980 addition to what's so

00:40:08.840 different.

00:40:09.240 I think they're they're

00:40:10.400 equally telling though I

00:40:12.480 really appreciate that

00:40:14.220 being grounded spiritually

00:40:15.740 is at least so so low for

00:40:18.340 Harris voters.

00:40:19.180 I I guess because I hate

00:40:21.540 spirituality.

00:40:22.100 I guess I shouldn't be

00:40:23.420 happy about that because

00:40:24.200 they're just issuing

00:40:25.540 religion and culture but

00:40:26.900 Simone question for you.

00:40:28.660 What are we doing for

00:40:29.420 dinner tonight?

00:40:30.000 So you can choose as we

00:40:32.360 discussed last night to

00:40:33.380 either do rendang with your

00:40:35.840 sour cream and corn chips

00:40:37.580 which we have and should

00:40:38.460 probably go through.

00:40:39.520 Oh we don't have any of

00:40:41.020 rice left?

00:40:42.220 We have plenty of rice if

00:40:43.200 you want rice.

00:40:44.180 I want rendang and rice.

00:40:45.640 I could also make fresh

00:40:46.560 rice.

00:40:46.980 I love the way the kitchen

00:40:48.320 smells when there's fresh

00:40:49.660 rice.

00:40:49.960 All right go for it.

00:40:51.020 I'll do that and so you

00:40:52.920 want rendang with fresh

00:40:53.680 rice or do you want some

00:40:56.120 other do you want chili with

00:40:58.080 fresh rice?

00:40:58.620 I want rendang today.

00:40:59.760 I want something curry.

00:41:01.200 Okay rendang with fresh

00:41:02.660 rice you shall have.

00:41:04.100 And when you're cooking it

00:41:05.260 up you might want to put

00:41:06.000 in some like coconut milk

00:41:07.620 to make it a little

00:41:08.340 liquidy because if I

00:41:09.020 remember the rendang had

00:41:09.800 gotten pretty dry.

00:41:11.040 Then we have an open can

00:41:12.140 of coconut milk meaning

00:41:13.080 we're going to need to do

00:41:14.400 coconut based dishes for a

00:41:15.580 while because we don't

00:41:16.180 have cans anymore.

00:41:17.020 We have those giant

00:41:17.620 cartons that we get from

00:41:18.620 the Asian market.

00:41:20.440 So.

00:41:21.180 Okay then what about this?

00:41:22.760 It just means it will

00:41:23.420 need to do a whole bunch

00:41:24.780 of curries in a row and

00:41:26.160 I'll water down the curries

00:41:27.320 with the coconut milk.

00:41:28.620 Okay no.

00:41:29.600 Okay then what we'll do.

00:41:31.340 I can just add water.

00:41:33.160 What you can do is add

00:41:34.580 butter.

00:41:36.760 How about chicken broth?

00:41:39.220 Because then it's flavor

00:41:40.120 water.

00:41:41.260 Butter is flavor water too.

00:41:42.640 What's wrong with butter?

00:41:43.120 No it's an oil.

00:41:44.620 Yeah I mean butter or

00:41:45.740 olive oil would be the two

00:41:46.700 other things I would use

00:41:47.540 other than coconut milk.

00:41:49.320 All right.

00:41:50.280 Butter is always good.

00:41:51.880 Okay butter on rice.

00:41:53.580 Yeah.

00:41:53.760 Butter mixed with rendang

00:41:54.980 that's going to taste

00:41:55.600 great.

00:41:57.000 Yeah it probably is.

00:41:58.260 It'll be great.

00:41:59.740 It's fine.

00:42:00.220 I'm just so frustrated with

00:42:02.040 such a disappointing

00:42:06.260 experience.

00:42:07.160 Well I think what they're

00:42:07.860 going to do I have no idea

00:42:09.480 actually what you talked

00:42:10.220 about on the call.

00:42:11.220 What I think they're going

00:42:11.760 to do is just go forward

00:42:12.880 with it.

00:42:13.720 Make the sizzle and then

00:42:16.620 try to sell it to you and

00:42:18.300 be like look this is what

00:42:19.320 you wanted.

00:42:19.700 it and like they're going

00:42:20.560 to assume that you're

00:42:21.180 actually going to like it

00:42:22.160 and that you had

00:42:23.300 misinterpreted the whole

00:42:24.440 thing of what happened

00:42:25.300 and they might take more

00:42:27.180 editorial control over

00:42:28.320 what's created and edited

00:42:29.840 together because I don't

00:42:31.680 think that the director is

00:42:33.080 going to be the one who

00:42:34.020 edits things together.

00:42:35.200 That's not how these work.

00:42:36.100 You know there's like a

00:42:36.900 billion people and everyone

00:42:38.320 has job so they're going

00:42:39.680 to choose how it gets

00:42:40.300 edited together and

00:42:41.480 they're going to

00:42:41.980 concertedly try to edit

00:42:43.220 it together in a way that

00:42:44.120 makes you happy and say

00:42:45.960 okay I'm super on board

00:42:47.580 and then you might want

00:42:49.480 to like text them in

00:42:50.980 something being like this

00:42:51.840 is what I think you're

00:42:52.580 going to try to do just

00:42:53.800 as a warning he will not

00:42:55.480 accept this.

00:42:56.960 What if you really like

00:42:58.080 what they send you?

00:42:59.220 I don't care if I really

00:43:00.160 like it I would never

00:43:01.100 ever trust any product

00:43:02.760 made by that person.

00:43:04.400 I would still demand

00:43:05.080 another director you

00:43:06.060 mean.

00:43:06.240 Yeah I would never trust

00:43:07.520 anything she does to be

00:43:08.520 honest when she said to

00:43:10.060 me there is nowhere in

00:43:10.940 this country as a white

00:43:11.920 person you can go where

00:43:12.720 you will not be safe I

00:43:14.220 was just like oh so

00:43:15.680 you're just willing to

00:43:16.420 like bend reality in

00:43:17.540 line of people like.

00:43:18.840 I just picture that

00:43:19.440 diehard scene but he

00:43:20.940 was obviously made

00:43:21.980 unsafe by the sign on

00:43:23.180 his.

00:43:24.100 No no no but like

00:43:25.100 somebody who's willing

00:43:26.080 to like say that with a

00:43:27.300 straight face what it

00:43:28.140 shows me is is it's not

00:43:30.480 even a matter of like

00:43:31.320 trusting their integrity

00:43:32.440 it is their view of

00:43:34.940 reality is so twisted

00:43:36.640 that they will think that

00:43:38.360 they are being honest

00:43:39.460 while being dishonest

00:43:40.800 and because of that you

00:43:43.040 can't really work with

00:43:44.320 them.

00:43:45.140 That plus the complete

00:43:46.440 disinterest in anything

00:43:47.500 intellectual during the

00:43:48.480 interviews.

00:43:49.440 One of the things that

00:43:50.160 really got me is during

00:43:51.080 one of the interviews I

00:43:51.760 was talking about and

00:43:53.260 this really got me like

00:43:54.800 interesting stuff that

00:43:55.920 anybody could have taken

00:43:57.000 in like a really

00:43:57.700 interesting direction.

00:43:58.960 Yeah it's not even

00:43:59.740 flattering to us like many

00:44:00.840 people.

00:44:01.340 Where I was talking about

00:44:02.180 like oh well you know in

00:44:03.700 the far future you might

00:44:04.780 be able to like take

00:44:05.620 genes from like different

00:44:06.720 ethnic groups to try to

00:44:07.660 create like new types of

00:44:08.660 humans that are like a

00:44:09.880 post like this is weird

00:44:11.060 like if you're like a

00:44:11.960 documentarian like dig in

00:44:13.100 on that that's an

00:44:13.880 interesting thing to be

00:44:14.820 talking about look at her

00:44:16.800 question in response to

00:44:18.400 that was like do you

00:44:21.540 acknowledge your white

00:44:22.440 privilege like that she

00:44:24.620 could hear that

00:44:25.800 interesting hook and then

00:44:27.600 waste time with such a

00:44:29.720 pointless 2015 question

00:44:32.660 that's not even like

00:44:33.680 modern progressive stuff I

00:44:34.760 was just like what the is

00:44:36.840 wrong with your brain like

00:44:38.380 are you are you so on rails

00:44:42.180 that you cannot adapt to

00:44:44.100 like what you're hearing

00:44:45.000 in real time and and

00:44:46.860 have a nose for like an

00:44:48.500 interesting story like and

00:44:50.300 that's where I was like

00:44:50.840 okay so I'm not going to

00:44:51.920 produce boring content with

00:44:53.260 you right like I don't

00:44:54.180 want to do that I want

00:44:55.180 something interesting I

00:44:56.600 don't want something

00:44:57.380 that's flattering to me I

00:44:58.520 want something that's

00:44:59.500 interesting and not stale

00:45:01.460 political points I want

00:45:02.800 something that educates

00:45:03.740 people and that people can

00:45:04.860 watch and changes their

00:45:05.920 minds you know and that

00:45:07.760 introduces them to new

00:45:08.940 ideas that's our brand

00:45:10.660 right and if you are

00:45:11.620 incapable of engaging with

00:45:12.840 new ideas you're going to

00:45:13.560 be incapable of delivering

00:45:14.940 new ideas but the bigger

00:45:16.500 problem is I don't know

00:45:17.260 how she's going to put

00:45:17.740 anything good together

00:45:18.380 like I've seen her other

00:45:19.160 stuff and I was really

00:45:19.740 embarrassed to talk with

00:45:20.380 her about this but it was

00:45:21.060 terrible it was like

00:45:22.640 really boring it was like

00:45:23.900 Oscar bait stuff and I was

00:45:25.020 like oh my god like we're

00:45:26.300 not going to be able to

00:45:27.020 create something that the

00:45:29.280 general audience wants to

00:45:30.100 see but I feel like a lot

00:45:31.420 of people don't understand

00:45:32.200 what you're making or

00:45:33.100 saying like in in the past

00:45:35.160 I like when we were kids I

00:45:36.920 feel like an Oscar

00:45:38.320 winning movie was

00:45:39.340 entertaining and good but

00:45:41.300 now Oscar bait movies are

00:45:43.480 are so pretentious and

00:45:45.280 boring and you only watch

00:45:46.720 them for the same reasons

00:45:49.440 you you know it's funny

00:45:51.420 what she asked me like

00:45:52.520 what documentaries do I

00:45:53.580 watch like obviously I've

00:45:54.600 loved stuff like Tiger King

00:45:55.420 that's like willing to go

00:45:56.160 with low culture and fun

00:45:57.240 but like the truth is I

00:45:59.620 watch documentaries all the

00:46:00.520 time internet historian is a

00:46:02.440 documentarian oh yeah

00:46:03.740 internet historian does is a

00:46:05.520 documentarian is golden

00:46:06.720 smokes any like like in

00:46:09.500 terms of like mainstream

00:46:10.340 documentarians who like

00:46:11.580 smoke in terms of view

00:46:12.640 numbers anything that goes

00:46:13.860 on HBO as a documentary

00:46:15.320 anything that goes on

00:46:16.040 Netflix is a documentary

00:46:16.820 so true internet

00:46:17.540 obviously it's because he

00:46:19.080 doesn't take it in this

00:46:20.000 pretentious direction he

00:46:21.140 respects the viewers time he

00:46:22.760 tries to be entertaining

00:46:23.800 that's the direction I want

00:46:25.440 to go right yeah and if

00:46:26.880 you can't and if you can't

00:46:28.140 emulate that then I don't

00:46:28.980 want to put out boring

00:46:29.740 content

00:46:30.320 totally

00:46:32.340 well I mean you guys know

00:46:35.060 with our show like I try

00:46:36.500 really hard to edit out the

00:46:37.820 parts for where just where

00:46:38.820 we're not saying something

00:46:39.880 that's interesting to the

00:46:40.780 audience where it's not like

00:46:42.200 a new perspective that they

00:46:43.380 may not have interest in or

00:46:44.560 it's not like a you know

00:46:46.180 context this is a fairly big

00:46:48.540 deal for Malcolm because he

00:46:50.120 had gone through a lot of

00:46:51.980 trouble to try to get like a

00:46:54.500 premium streaming streaming

00:46:56.320 platform to seriously green light

00:47:00.020 a documentary on culture and

00:47:03.300 demographic collapse that that

00:47:04.960 we could help lead and we had

00:47:06.500 even served up like various

00:47:07.960 types of pitches and slide

00:47:09.200 decks and here are other

00:47:10.100 people we can help get

00:47:11.080 involved in all these things

00:47:12.220 and finally we had a team that

00:47:13.660 made it pretty far with a major

00:47:15.240 premium streaming platform and

00:47:18.240 they then selected and sent over

00:47:20.740 a director who didn't get it

00:47:24.560 well I mean if somebody's coming

00:47:25.700 out here and it's talking about

00:47:27.400 white privilege in 2025 like

00:47:29.280 clearly well this person had no

00:47:31.100 interest in actually engaging

00:47:32.400 with any of our messaging on

00:47:33.740 demographic collapse or the

00:47:34.840 importance of discussion culture

00:47:35.980 and basically there her only

00:47:38.900 interest was in defenestrating us

00:47:40.480 as as individuals and and and not

00:47:44.300 talking about our our work or the

00:47:47.860 issues that we are attempting to

00:47:49.260 promote at all but just making it

00:47:50.620 about us and about us being trash

00:47:52.220 humans basically yeah and we're okay

00:47:54.920 with being trash humans in service

00:47:56.940 of a larger goal like in order to

00:48:00.180 get people to discuss demographic

00:48:02.020 collapse even if they vehemently

00:48:03.480 disagree with us completely

00:48:04.280 pointless to us yeah we don't want

00:48:05.900 fame for fame for its own sake is

00:48:07.780 just a liability it's just bad it

00:48:10.060 just makes it impossible to get jobs

00:48:11.720 and it puts you at risk and it just

00:48:13.380 sucks but like it's okay if it means

00:48:16.560 that we're making the world a better

00:48:18.300 place or promoting future human

00:48:20.380 flourishing this would this totally

00:48:22.440 cuts it off so malcolm's very miffed

00:48:24.220 right now because he thought that

00:48:26.220 he'd gotten to the point into this

00:48:27.700 that they could just whiff like that

00:48:30.300 by choosing somebody like this

00:48:31.560 person and if they don't and i'll

00:48:33.880 send you something to follow up with

00:48:35.000 them on whatsapp that we're like

00:48:36.840 engaged etc that sounds good and i

00:48:40.040 will start your rice all right love

00:48:41.640 you to death simone i love you too

00:48:43.220 gorgeous

00:48:43.720 do you think i'm right though i mean

00:48:48.720 very worried for them

00:48:50.760 all right i'm gonna send you

00:48:54.140 some statistics

00:48:56.340 i love that she's

00:48:58.620 joked

00:48:58.980 she's joked

00:49:02.540 oh here they are

00:49:05.540 oh

00:49:07.680 oh

00:49:08.540 oh

00:49:12.940 oh

00:49:17.560 oh

00:49:18.160 oh my gosh

00:49:21.240 are we gonna get started here

00:49:23.400 yeah whoa

00:49:26.740 just looking at the statistics and

00:49:30.920 reacting

00:49:31.320 yeah when they when they got this

00:49:33.260 this data back they must have been

00:49:34.880 like this is a goldmine

00:49:36.280 we're cooked it's the nbc they got

00:49:38.800 this data

00:49:39.240 this is crazy

00:49:40.560 right

00:49:42.720 so wait explain what are you doing

00:49:45.400 oh

00:49:46.240 and you're gonna look at the bugs

00:49:47.780 whatever they find they're gonna put you in the bag

00:49:50.460 hey look there's a tunnel

00:49:52.660 that leads to the ground

00:49:53.620 oh

00:49:53.780 oh

00:49:54.620 oh

00:49:55.620 oh

00:49:56.620 oh

00:49:57.620 oh

00:49:58.620 oh

00:49:59.620 oh

00:50:00.620 oh wow

00:50:01.420 be careful there might be a bitey bug

00:50:03.940 don't stick your hands in dark holes

00:50:06.680 what kind of bugs have you found

00:50:09.120 oh

00:50:10.080 we already found one where we got away

00:50:13.860 wait

00:50:14.520 do you remember the bug that was rolling up into a ball

00:50:20.160 a roly-poly

00:50:21.580 oh i know what it was called

00:50:23.420 it was

00:50:24.280 it was

00:50:24.740 it was a roly-poly

00:50:26.620 it was a roly-poly

00:50:28.180 okay

00:50:28.660 now it's roly

00:50:30.700 is it called an isopod as well by the way guys

00:50:34.680 oh

00:50:35.240 it's called an isopod

00:50:36.560 and

00:50:37.480 and when you hold them

00:50:39.240 they roll up into a ball

00:50:41.140 so

00:50:41.640 you

00:50:56.200 you

00:50:58.040 you

00:51:02.260 you

00:51:04.660 you

00:51:06.260 you

Based Camp - September 24, 2025

The Statistical Divide In How We Perceive Life

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