Based Camp - The Technology Behind the Soul (Mysticism, Tech, & Witches)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we're going to be discussing a very

00:00:03.260 interesting question, which is if a dualist reality exists. So if people are familiar with

00:00:13.020 what dualism is, dualism is the belief that reality consists of both a material world and

00:00:20.000 a spiritual world, and that these are fundamentally different things. This is like most Christians, 1.00

00:00:27.300 most branches of christianity are dualist they believe in a soul in spiritual stuff that is

00:00:34.040 completely separate from our material reality then if you are a monist as we generally are

00:00:40.660 are considered you believe that one type of thing exists and that one type of thing can either be

00:00:45.100 only the spiritual exists or only the material exists right okay so we're getting this out of

00:00:52.360 but if you are a dualist, one thing that I've been thinking about recently is what additional

00:00:59.700 utility dualism grants an individual in terms of interpretation of reality and morality.

00:01:08.580 And by this, what I mean is it came from something that Leaflet said to me on stream,

00:01:11.340 which I thought was just absolutely brilliant. One of the smarter things in terms of changing

00:01:16.400 my world perspective that i've heard in a long time she was like well you believe that everything

00:01:22.560 that god does because we're monus materialists is essentially a super advanced technology that

00:01:28.400 we simply don't understand yet and the wording that simone used around this that i found

00:01:32.540 really changed my view of this which is mad technology is just magic that we understand

00:01:39.660 instead of framing it the other way like magic is just technology we don't understand

00:01:43.260 to frame it technology because we don't even under i i'm even going to put it differently

00:01:47.060 mad technology is just magic that we presume somebody understands because you don't understand

00:01:55.320 how the vast majority of technology yeah i i can't tell you how this does the things that it does

00:02:00.600 i mean i can describe what i've been told yeah it's it's functionally magic to us right and this

00:02:08.960 is where it gets interesting because the thing that differentiates technology from something

00:02:13.760 that's not technology is whether there is presumably somebody in the world who understands

00:02:19.620 how that thing works now presumably god would have full knowledge of both the spiritual world

00:02:30.440 and its rules of interaction and the material world and its rules of interaction

00:02:36.120 and through that knowledge he would be enacting his will within each of those realms given that's

00:02:47.680 the case in the same way that i can say this is technology because i am aware that somebody

00:02:55.600 somewhere in the universe knows how this works any spiritual power that god is exercising

00:03:03.260 is the technology from god's perspective and she's like so given that's the case why are people so

00:03:11.000 this is a tract by the way whenever techno puritan tracks but it's going to be amusing on this

00:03:16.120 particular concept why are people so antagonistic to my belief in everything in the bible being

00:03:24.980 done with hyper advanced technology because functionally they believe the same thing that

00:03:30.340 we believe that it's done with hyper advanced technology they just don't fully they think that

00:03:36.420 part of that technology is spiritual in nature and this is where it gets really really interesting

00:03:41.280 as a point to sort of pull apart because first now we get to ask a number of really interesting

00:03:47.100 questions okay so this means a materialist monist ideology is actually not as dissimilar from a

00:03:55.480 spiritualist monist ideology as many people would think so these are as a reminder here the

00:04:01.040 monists believe there is only one either the material or the spiritual world right and the

00:04:06.240 monist spiritualist believes that actually the material world as we think we're understanding

00:04:13.440 it is an illusion and what happens is the spiritual world where how different are those

00:04:18.920 from simulation theory people extremely different in no way are they connected at all i can't even

00:04:25.060 think how they could how how did you get that that that was connected because the simulation

00:04:30.820 theory people believe that what we think of the is the material world is not really a material

00:04:36.100 world but rather a technological simulation oh i guess in that respect they are similar but yeah

00:04:42.560 they they typically wouldn't frame it that way they think it's it's it's more like we exist in

00:04:48.180 some sort of spiritual ether that is projecting the forms that we believe the material world is

00:04:54.060 made up of simulation theory a lower order existence i i suppose yeah but at the end of

00:05:00.880 the day a materialist monist and materialist spiritualist actually have the same world view

00:05:07.260 just different hypotheses about the the physical rules of that worldview both of them believe that

00:05:14.500 our world is fundamentally governed by laws that can be studied and eventually understood to some

00:05:21.660 extent. Both of them believe that God has a perfect understanding of those laws. The spiritualist

00:05:28.040 believes that the laws that physics has uncovered are completely downstream of some other more

00:05:41.440 important set of laws. However, most materialists believe this as well. I believe that the laws

00:05:48.100 that physics understands right now are not complete and we will find layers of physics

00:05:53.240 above the layers of physics that we currently have the the core difference so we actually

00:05:59.700 fundamentally up until now all believe the same thing the i think the real core difference between

00:06:05.100 the spiritualist and the materialist monist is the materialist believes the laws that we find

00:06:12.040 above the laws right now or like i i believe this are going to be mathematical in nature

00:06:16.740 it's going to be some form of like equation that basically reality is graphed upon see our episode

00:06:24.880 on the math behind reality and we talk about this in some of our tracks where we go into

00:06:29.040 our beliefs on this that reality is a self-graphing equation whereas the spiritualist

00:06:34.780 believes no no no it's actually like thoughts and gists and ideas and this the you know wishy

00:06:44.340 thinking that exists at the higher plane hmm and is that not semantics because math is just a

00:06:53.240 language that we use to describe certain things but you're i think you're saying that i mean our

00:06:58.900 thoughts and wishy thinking also not just a language well i i think the the second thing

00:07:04.700 which is why the wishy thinking being at the core of reality rather than the math being at the core

00:07:08.560 of reality space what is it the simple answer is we don't know or at least we didn't know until now

00:07:18.060 hello i'm not a scientist but i do have a better understanding of what space is

00:07:23.320 than any scientist living today where did i gain these insights from this man the founder of

00:07:30.500 spaceology beth gaga shaggy is the founder of spaceology this is what he told me when i met

00:07:38.040 Space is invisible mind dust and stars are but wishes!

00:07:43.040 I mean, think about that.

00:07:45.040 That means every star you can see in the night sky

00:07:48.040 is a wish that has come true.

00:07:51.040 And they've come true because of something he calls

00:07:54.040 space star ordering.

00:07:56.040 Space star ordering is based on the twin scientific principles

00:08:00.040 of star maths and wishy thinking.

00:08:03.040 If that doesn't convince you,

00:08:05.040 convince you well then maybe you just don't deserve to get what you want is that i believe

00:08:11.580 that to understand reality we must probe reality right and this is how the vast majority of science

00:08:18.080 came about it was people trying to understand god's plan better right like that that is

00:08:21.880 what science was historically right it is it is the knowledge of god to what is it cover things

00:08:28.880 it's the knowledge of kings to unveil them right you know and and so for a long time historically

00:08:33.660 that is what drew scientific advancement was a desire to get closer to god in in our understanding

00:08:40.220 of reality as we're directly commanded to do in that verse in in the bible right and so the the

00:08:46.020 the the spiritualist on the other hand thinks that to understand a higher order reality

00:08:50.380 the direction you probe is with rituals and inwards leap you know basically through meditation and

00:09:00.460 rituals you can discover or even psychedelics was in some communities oh okay yeah that is a very

00:09:07.460 specific division then yeah okay no okay whereas we see these things as corruptions of the mind

00:09:15.460 and for people who understand why we see things as corrupted mental states it's because the

00:09:20.660 the information that is obtained during them is generally speaking worse at being predictive of

00:09:30.900 future world states future physical states basically the stuff that science allows

00:09:36.780 than a sober mind is and so we see them negatively but i'll drop in on kid speaker

00:09:43.840 okay then you be good clean up some messes and when i come down we'll make mac and cheese all

00:09:48.800 right okay bye guys and then this brings me to another interesting question here which i just

00:09:54.460 i hadn't thought through before which is okay suppose there is a spiritual world because

00:10:00.940 somebody that's what would it take for me to believe in a spiritual world and i was like well

00:10:04.380 if there was a spiritual world it would presumably operate by some set of rules and we would be able

00:10:10.160 to eventually as technology increases interact with it in some meaningful way right or even even

00:10:16.920 if it's not as technology increases as our understanding of ritual increases as our

00:10:21.960 understanding of meditation increases as our understanding of you know all of these people

00:10:26.220 who are these spiritual masters if they're presumably advancing any real knowledge that

00:10:31.560 has efficacious utility in the world we would see their power intergenerationally advance

00:10:38.000 and when it reaches a point where the efficaciousness of the spiritual pursuit and research

00:10:44.300 is undeniable what you're going to have happen is companies will begin to exploit that right like

00:10:49.980 if oh yeah oh my gosh i'm forgetting the name of scott alexander's book that explores exactly

00:10:56.400 this concept that like what if suddenly it was just discovered and then you get these startups

00:10:59.980 that are like farming for like incantations that you can use that will you know incite different

00:11:05.220 things to happen yeah they like go through just different words all day until they try to find

00:11:09.980 one one iteration of the word that has some power right yeah and then they patent it yeah

00:11:14.440 yeah and then there's patents for determining when people are using the the incantations

00:11:19.180 without exactly but that is like when people like what if a spiritual world existed in the way that

00:11:27.400 i would believe in that spiritual world it would be mortifying it would be warhammer 40k that like

00:11:33.900 basically you need the spiritual world to be like the warp to have this not happen right so you could

00:11:39.700 have a spiritual world where like the spiritual world is just and this is how it is in warhammer

00:11:44.660 it's by its nature chaotic and malevolent and leads to feedback loops and if this is the world

00:11:51.000 what does that mean chaotic malevolent and leads to feedback loops well so what happens in the 40k

00:11:56.640 universe is everything that like humanity collectively believes in begins to or or any

00:12:01.160 species believes in begins to grow a physical form within the war which is yeah like in neil

00:12:06.600 game ends american gods yeah but what that means is simple basal desires essentially create feedback

00:12:13.240 so like a fear of death and disease creates a feedback loop where it creates a god that

00:12:21.200 grows the more fear of death and disease there is so this god creates more death and disease

00:12:26.740 which creates more fear of death and disease which creates more death and disease which and

00:12:31.640 so you get a feedback loop which leads to a god you have the same thing with like lust you have

00:12:34.680 the same thing was like the god of lust would want to create like crazy you know annavalens like

00:12:42.340 you know what do we call those cinnabites right who just do anything for pleasure until there 0.69

00:12:48.220 there's nothing left about a husk of who they once were and that this this creates these horrible 1.00

00:12:53.820 cycles right but generally this sort of world where where even even in this world like in the 1.00

00:13:00.100 warhammer world people can still achieve some benefits from being like a zish follower or 0.77

00:13:05.380 something like that right like but if if the the spiritual world is just purely chaos you would 1.00

00:13:11.560 not be able to use it and this would explain all of the warnings of people who are like

00:13:14.840 don't gaze into spiritualism it just messes up those people's minds it just scrambles them the

00:13:19.440 vast majority of people mentally break and i point this out i mean you could just look the vast

00:13:22.840 majority of spiritual gurus basically go get nutso butso they they stop practicing proper hygiene

00:13:27.640 they begin to look like wild-eyed they have a a harder and harder time thinking logically through

00:13:34.220 what they're doing and it can lead to to fall off and we can go into why this happens in just a

00:13:38.880 second but to take it aside here spiritualism as a like if if it does have factual power

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00:15:07.840 for people right like the the moment anything is understandable to the extent that it can be used

00:15:14.080 for personal benefit it can be used for corporate benefit and industrialized right what the hell is

00:15:19.560 this thing made out of all right fine i might have used a few unorthodox parts just tell me one

00:15:25.900 an orphan did you say an orphan yeah a little orphan boy it's powered by a forsaken child

00:15:38.180 might be kind of i mean i didn't use the whole thing so it's a pretty mortifying world to think

00:15:43.440 Now, you could think maybe God puts on specific protectors that prevent the spiritual world from being engaged with in this way, to which I would say, well, if you believe that you're not a Christian and you're not a Jew, because Jews very explicitly believe that through engaging with the spiritual world, you can accidentally contact mental health and spirits that can cause problems. 0.78

00:16:05.880 i mean this was a proud the ball shims always used to do this sort of stuff that you can you 0.59

00:16:09.360 know cause i mean a lot of jewish classical stories are about some ball shim went out there 0.81

00:16:16.220 created a golem or something when he wasn't supposed to and he goes nuts and destroys the

00:16:20.220 town this is like classic jewish storytelling so jews don't believe this do christians believe 0.85

00:16:24.480 this well presumably if you think that witches are real to any extent if you are a spiritualist

00:16:30.660 you do believe that they're clearly harnessing malevolent spiritual power right like

00:16:35.580 so and the bible does tell us that witches exist right now obviously i i think that what it means

00:16:41.220 by that is mysticism more broadly but you know if if you believe in spiritualism you're you're

00:16:46.820 going to believe in in witches so uh you know suffer not a witch to live and all that but these

00:16:51.160 people who who believe this more broadly they also know that okay well so at least the bible

00:16:55.300 doesn't say that god keeps a positive interaction with the spiritual plane so okay or you could say

00:17:03.240 well whenever you engage with a spiritual plane for personal benefit it ends up having some sort

00:17:08.780 of like reverberating negative effect on you which maybe maybe that could be a reason but i i still

00:17:17.920 think that there would be a way a company could get around that right like maybe use like pawns

00:17:22.740 as the spiritualists and then sort of farm out their bad luck and make money while not directly

00:17:28.720 engaging with spiritualism but having all the secret rituals themselves right you know there's

00:17:33.200 there's always a way this can be exploited. Right. So, but then what do you even gain by

00:17:39.180 believing in the additional spiritual reality? Right. What, how, how different would the

00:17:44.380 spiritual reality need to be from the material one to be a meaningfully different reality to you?

00:17:49.720 Well, but I think where I really have my, I guess, gripes or has it like,

00:17:55.340 i take umbrage on this idea of i can just search internally and find truth when we know how flawed

00:18:05.300 both like from if you just want to look biblically at how flawed people's own minds are and opinions

00:18:10.440 are and like views how warped your view of reality can be plus our understanding of just actual

00:18:17.000 biology and the human brain from science thus well i mean and it creates horrible like this

00:18:24.820 is why mystics so often go crazy is if your own subjective experience of reality is the ultimate

00:18:31.020 truth of that reality then when you're in a group of other mystics right which mystics interpretation

00:18:38.280 because you can't be like you're provably wrong look here um which mystics interpretation comes

00:18:44.340 first and the mystics who's the top of the popularity hierarchy basically the one who can

00:18:48.860 push the others around right because one person goes well subjectively i feel this is true and

00:18:52.920 the other mystics as well subjectively i feel this is true yeah it's using very faulty equipment

00:18:57.240 for something like i i don't care what ultimately is real but i do care that we are using you know

00:19:04.900 a thing that works for measuring engaging what it is because if you really care about the thing

00:19:11.260 don't you want to know like they're they're trying to to use like i gosh i don't know like

00:19:19.240 they're stretching out like uh a chewed up piece of gum and they're like well it's one gum long

00:19:25.820 because they i stretched it out and that's how long it is and that's that that's not you can't

00:19:31.220 use a chewed on piece of gum to measure the length of something that isn't it's not a thing like

00:19:35.800 you're not going to get consistent results like you can you can stretch it out and find a length

00:19:40.560 but that's not no and i do so that's my biggest problem here like when you think about a community

00:19:46.980 so imagine two mystics disagree with each other how do they determine who's right now

00:19:50.240 in judia it's the louder more charismatic one yeah yeah the jews will say well they go to the

00:19:55.520 the you know the the writings and it's like you know as well as i do that that doesn't always

00:20:00.500 work in the mystic communities it usually doesn't work in the mystic communities yeah i mean and

00:20:04.920 famously we know this doesn't work because the balsham top literally did this when

00:20:08.260 rabbi dov bear who everybody knew was a more learned rabbi than the rabbi balsham he was

00:20:14.640 generally considered this. He considers him else that the Baal Shem considers him this. He goes to

00:20:17.960 the Baal Shem Tov, the Baal Shem does some miracles in front of him. And he's like, okay,

00:20:22.100 I've been convinced that everything that Jews have taught for the past thousand years is wrong, 0.78

00:20:25.940 right? Like, you know, because he came to the Baal Shem Tov. This was his main convert who 1.00

00:20:30.800 ended up becoming the next head rabbi of the group that today became the Hasidic movement,

00:20:35.840 which again, big movement, right? And at the time, a lot of Jews were like, oh, you shouldn't do this. 0.53

00:20:39.100 But now it's been so baked into Judaism because, you know, Abad has so much power that the, 0.60

00:20:44.640 the the this was the right thing to do that as a jew you should follow the mystic was a closer

00:20:51.560 connection to god over the guys who know the text better now obviously historically as a jew you're 0.60

00:20:57.080 not supposed to do this this is very clear in the steak oven story the oven of unkay story but you

00:21:02.300 we talk about this in some of our other tracks you don't need to go we don't need to legislate 0.98

00:21:05.780 here the point i'm making here is so some jews today you know will say well judy them constrained

00:21:12.100 by the text which it used to be but it's not it's not as well anymore because these precedents have

00:21:16.160 been set and accepted within the hasidic community and it's hard it's hard to put that back in the

00:21:20.220 bottle you can't be like well the bashan tab was clearly in the wrong right because he you know

00:21:25.500 did miracle working over the text over textual legal analysis but you know and this and this

00:21:30.580 can lead to individuals crashing out right and we see this you know i i obviously i consider like

00:21:35.080 rubyard a good friend right and we warned him against going down this path and i think that

00:21:40.040 you know a lot of people are familiar with you know ayahuasca they're talking to odin thing and

00:21:43.960 everything like that and i think that i don't really hold that against him that's who he is

00:21:47.260 that's who he's always represented himself as being the very mystical person but like this is

00:21:50.640 why mysticism can sort of lead you in these directions because external world pushing back

00:21:58.080 and being like that doesn't sound objectively true is no longer a pushback to your logic it's no

00:22:03.880 longer a pushback to your experience or world perspective which can lead to wildly out there

00:22:08.400 this is where we have our episode no witches on on spaceships because you can begin to act in a way

00:22:13.140 that is wildly dangerous vis-a-vis the wider community if now you are taking your subjective

00:22:19.780 experience of how you think the life support system should work and if people are like oh 1.00

00:22:23.860 mystics would never go that far i mean look at the breatharians that are randomly killing 1.00

00:22:28.100 themselves all the time you you've heard of the breatharians right i thought those were made up 0.99

00:22:33.160 they were a part of that fake cult that i participated in oh no breatharians are real 0.86

00:22:37.660 When it comes to food preferences, you've probably heard of a vegetarian, a pescatarian. 1.00

00:22:44.420 How about a breatharian?

00:22:46.980 So it looks like this.

00:22:49.280 And then the exhale is through the mouth.

00:22:53.760 Yes, a breatharian, as in breath.

00:22:56.820 25-year-old Audra Baer follows this lifestyle, which is also known as prana.

00:23:00.880 She's very popular on Instagram.

00:23:02.360 The idea here is not to weigh yourself down with food so you can fill yourself with breath and life.

00:23:10.260 I started breathing on December 1st, and by December 5th, five days later, I had no appetite for food.

00:23:18.260 And I've eaten a handful of times since then, since in the last six months. 0.98

00:23:24.640 Okay, so here's what she does consume.

00:23:27.120 Herbal teas, green juices and smoothies, coconut water, and sometimes soup.

00:23:31.600 She says she does not miss food.

00:23:34.140 The practice is more popular than you might think.

00:23:36.260 But of course, we should mention medical professionals say you should seek advice before starting anything like this.

00:23:42.520 Yes, a lot of people have died from this, thinking that you can survive off of just air alone and mystical power.

00:23:47.720 Wowie, okay.

00:23:48.620 Other people are just not trying hard enough.

00:23:51.080 Oh.

00:23:52.600 It's the get a job, Al, version of spiritualism.

00:23:55.700 Why don't you get a job?

00:23:57.420 If you're so hungry, why don't you get a job?

00:23:59.320 Get a job, Al.

00:24:00.760 you got a negative attitude that's what's stopping you you got to get your act together

00:24:05.460 yeah but no you you you repeatedly see people who believe that they can obtain a portion of

00:24:11.480 life energy from like spiritual stuff and so they they go and they search out this stuff

00:24:16.260 but the point i i wanted to get to which i find to be a very interesting point is how

00:24:19.540 large do you need the spiritual world to be for it to be meaningful to you so i'll explain what

00:24:26.660 I mean by this. What if it turns out that the spiritual world as we understand it is simply

00:24:33.420 another dimension operating on different physical laws? I mean, I really don't know what it would be

00:24:39.980 if not that, right? Like it's another dimension that can interact with our dimension and operates

00:24:45.880 on a separate set of laws. Those laws are just the physics of this other reality, right? In which

00:24:52.960 case why have you gained something significantly above the understanding we have by just looking

00:24:57.800 at our reality by positing this the other possibility is that the spiritual world is a

00:25:03.200 secondary layer of our reality that our reality exists with two membranel layers like basically

00:25:11.200 a membranel layer was spiritual reality on one side of that layer and the reality of the material

00:25:16.820 world on the other side of that well this isn't necessarily mysticism this is sci-fi this is

00:25:21.180 parallel worlds, right? This is like a thin veil between different worlds or different versions of

00:25:25.940 reality. I mean, the difference between sci-fi and mysticism can be very thin, possibly even

00:25:34.300 non-existent, a question of vocabulary choice. Yeah. And one of the things that I've always

00:25:39.920 found most, like the reason why I became like very sincerely techno-puritan when I went back

00:25:44.260 and read the Bible is I was unaware that a literalist reading of the Bible could give me

00:25:49.320 a materialist perspective on reality right like that i was like oh like it actually promotes the

00:25:54.240 idea that all of this is happening with technology and like super super advanced technology but with

00:25:58.520 technology as we understand it and that it doesn't actually push for a separate spiritual world if

00:26:04.800 you want to get into why we argue that you can look at our track series where we go over that

00:26:07.860 i think track eight is where we cover that the most might be track eight or nine where we cover

00:26:11.660 that the most which is generally a good jumping off point if you're already religious to understand

00:26:15.280 how heretical we are but yeah so that is like i don't think that you're gaining a lot of you're

00:26:20.720 just like well there's another dimension with some rules that we don't fully understand yet

00:26:24.080 if there's if there's another dimension with rules we don't understand yet then you're you're

00:26:28.640 positing a physical hypothesis about reality you're not really positing a spiritual realm

00:26:34.740 you're positing that there is something that the scientists the academics the experts

00:26:40.980 simply haven't discovered and cataloged yet but it is real in the way that that this world is real

00:26:47.460 just operating on different physical subsets which makes the antagonism against the techno

00:26:52.680 puritan tradition from a spiritualist perspective or from a dualist perspective very odd when you

00:26:57.920 actually break this out because you're like oh the dualist doesn't actually have some special

00:27:04.700 when they're like well i believe in like the wonder of magic and spiritualism and it's like well

00:27:10.300 that's not really a wonder that's just you positing that there's something that we don't

00:27:15.180 understand where i also posit there are things we don't understand i just think they probably

00:27:20.920 don't look like that yeah i think for me it comes down to word choice and there are entirely

00:27:28.560 legitimate reasons why people would just stylistically prefer different words and

00:27:33.080 tool use and my problem is with the tool use that's it explain your subjective experience

00:27:41.500 your lived experience is not the best tool your i feel like i had this experience or god spoke to me

00:27:47.220 is not reliable because if we want to use your own chosen vocabulary mystic mystical person

00:27:54.160 demons also speak to you and they tell you i'm god hi i'm god listen to me i'm correct right like

00:28:01.060 and also just your mind is not a very reliable narrator no matter what just anyone who's

00:28:07.380 experienced addiction would easily be able to explain that your mind can very cleverly get you

00:28:14.520 to do very terrible and wrong things it is not it is not to be trusted like especially in these

00:28:20.700 corrupted states and that's one of the problems about the corrupted state of the mystic is that

00:28:26.520 But because it all becomes, at the end of the day, a popularity contest or a charisma contest, what it means is that the, well, it's assuming that they don't have any actual power.

00:28:38.700 Now, if they do have actual power, then, you know, why are they curing world hunger, right?

00:28:44.280 Like, why are they performing magic tricks, right?

00:28:46.800 Yeah, I don't know about any famous mystic who saved millions of lives or did amazing things or moved society forward, moved humanity forward.

00:28:57.780 Note here, I should clarify, she means mystics made any major contributions in their mystical research.

00:29:04.540 Obviously, mystics have made contributions in other areas, like Isaac Newton was famously a big mystic.

00:29:11.500 But all of the time, the otherwise smart person spent that could have made many more contributions to humanity that he spent on his mystical research ended up with no contribution to humanity.

00:29:24.260 It just sucks the life and time from otherwise well-meaning individuals.

00:29:30.480 I mean, I think that there are some, like St. Francis of Assisi, I think inspired a lot of people.

00:29:36.500 But did he actually help anyone?

00:29:39.620 otherwise intelligent people that are basically removed from the efficacious pool of earth's

00:29:46.960 population yeah yeah fertility shredder iq shredder yeah not great not great not great

00:29:53.340 well because if you're if whether or not you're a good person is entirely subjective to this

00:29:57.880 internal framework that you've built for yourself a lot of people want to believe like well i'm good

00:30:02.380 enough right like i'm you know and so they they lean into that and it leads them to engage with

00:30:08.360 information without any external way to wait to deconfirm it right i agree and it's very

00:30:16.920 frustrating but i think understanding that that there doesn't need to be a difference between

00:30:21.920 technology and magic that there there doesn't i think there's a lot of groups that could be

00:30:27.300 working together or appreciating things well i think a lot of look give credit to catholics okay

00:30:35.000 the the the groups you know like i think a lot of muslims did this as well like islam had its

00:30:40.880 moment with this too but i i know mostly of historical examples of catholics being among

00:30:45.660 the first to really move forward the sciences to move forward our understanding of the world

00:30:49.100 and the universe because they wanted to understand the magic of god the amazing things that god has

00:30:54.100 built right yeah and they're never like there was this point and i don't know exactly when

00:30:59.140 historically there was this divide when suddenly like learning more about science became heretical

00:31:04.760 and i think maybe it was a corruption it was a corruption of humans not of anything of what god

00:31:10.320 wanted so if you're wondering when this was the biggest and direct turning point where they went

00:31:16.360 to ai to ask was probably galileo up until 1616 the church had regularly supported and invested

00:31:23.960 in scientific advancement at 1616 the church's consultants declared heliocentrism the earth

00:31:30.640 orbiting the sun as false and contrary to scripture this is based on certain readings of

00:31:35.860 the bible although it wasn't formally declared by the inquisition at this point and galileo

00:31:41.180 was tried in 1633 he was forced to recant and sentenced to house under arrest and his book

00:31:49.940 was placed on the index of forbidden works and after this point they begin to more frequently

00:31:55.460 and just sort of escalatingly deny science but again of course if we just went back to the way 0.55

00:32:02.140 catholics used to be but i i'd point out that if you look at catholics in in how they relate to

00:32:08.560 mysticism they have a benefit and that they have a centralized institution that can you know rein

00:32:13.200 in the charismatic mystic and just be like no you're wrong like people need to stop listening

00:32:18.840 to you at this point this is just wrong but because they've always had that level of protection

00:32:24.420 against mysticism it means that the latent level of mysticism within catholic communities has

00:32:28.940 always been higher than other christian denominations so basically they don't they

00:32:33.120 don't get the worst of it they're protected from that but the latent toxic effects of mysticism

00:32:38.300 is much higher yeah i mean obviously within techno parents not tolerated acknowledge that

00:32:44.300 at least at one point in human history it was the catholics who best understood that magic and

00:32:51.040 technology are the same thing yeah i mean i i think that the the techno puritan perspective

00:32:57.520 on this is obviously you know for now we are a minority population you know living in a society

00:33:05.500 where these things are normalized and it is upon us to not make ourselves negative externalities

00:33:10.620 on other groups by being overly aggressive on the point of witchcraft or mysticism right you know

00:33:17.740 oh okay so you're saying hey give some grace to mystics give some grace to witches well we say

00:33:22.840 don't interfere with the basilisk right like mysticism absolutely yes until like this this

00:33:30.760 changes when you have techno puritan first communities techno puritan first spaceships

00:33:35.940 techno puritan first colonies right like within within the techno puritan space there there's

00:33:41.820 zero tolerance for it but that doesn't stop us from tolerating it among other groups that are not

00:33:47.120 impinging on our ability right right the bible lays out suffer not a witch to live and i think

00:33:53.920 that should be the rule within techno puritan right of course people define which very differently

00:33:59.640 yes that's definitions are i mean if you're using magic against god's will that's like a witch right

00:34:08.600 like you you have you have specifically tapped in to god's purview presumably a catholic

00:34:16.820 turn around on us per our episode per what we've said here and say okay technology is magic magic

00:34:24.480 is technology you are using ivf technology against a god's will i.e by you know creating

00:34:30.980 souls that may possibly be trapped forever on ice until they are you know taken away from us

00:34:37.740 discarded for some weird reason i don't know but god commanded us to move forward technology

00:34:43.540 technology right like that that it was the line i talked about earlier that is how like obviously

00:34:48.800 when you create a new uh life-saving medical procedure when you create a new you know any

00:34:54.820 when you cure cancer or something like that there have been christian groups that said you know like

00:34:58.800 no blood transfers no catholic says no blood transfers nor do i think any catholic would

00:35:04.260 actually trade 10 just fertilized blastocysts for a 10 year old human boy's life right like i think

00:35:12.400 that actually the moral equation is quite well understood it's just engaged with differently

00:35:17.680 right but when it comes to mysticism more broadly what i'm talking about is because this is something

00:35:23.560 i've thought about more like as the religion grows as we get members what does it look like

00:35:28.200 if we ever have our own colonies if we ever have a techno puritan majority countries right like

00:35:35.020 techno puritan majority environments how do we relate to secular law within those environments

00:35:41.960 and i think that we should be very aggressive at least with members of our community of anything

00:35:51.080 that smacks of mystical framing and this isn't to say mystical research mystical research is

00:35:57.460 always allowed this is disprovable like if you're like i'm going to do an experiment on the world

00:36:02.700 of mysticism fine because then you're bringing mysticism into science right and we're we're

00:36:06.540 understanding it better it's when the idea is based on wishy thinking and the reason i say all

00:36:13.380 this is i just think it leads to next extra negative externalities in people's lives not

00:36:16.820 sure whether these worlds exist or not whether they're tapping into something real or not it

00:36:20.600 seems to damage people's lives and and damage the lives of people around them because eventually you

00:36:26.580 end up with essentially if i'm a mystic professionally and i'm not producing any

00:36:31.780 money right i'm getting money from either my disciples or from the people my disciples teach

00:36:38.880 and so i've set up this completely parasitic both in terms of economic and technological

00:36:46.580 productivity because it's it's drawing and reflux from the group around it but also a parasitic

00:36:52.960 community that bleeds poison into the logic of the people that it touches yeah and i guess another

00:37:01.340 way you could look at it too because i think there's a lot of people who politely support

00:37:07.480 tolerate mysticism but you could ask would you be happy if your son or daughter became a diehard

00:37:15.620 mystic because if not then maybe be a little less tolerant well yeah i mean i think

00:37:22.540 and and i will be incredibly strict with our kids if it comes to something like horoscopes or

00:37:26.760 something like this when it comes to you know any of the crystals or whatever no no those are so

00:37:33.280 pervasive oh my gosh horoscopes and crystals these days am i right yeah it's so hard to tell

00:37:39.160 too when people are talking about it ironically versus not because all you have to do is be like

00:37:47.600 uh but he's an aries oh well that explains everything and i can never tell if someone's

00:37:52.980 joking or if they actually believe that like there are traits anyway let's not and for people

00:38:01.320 who understand why you have to be so strict about this stuff a when we're talking about the far

00:38:05.060 future in something like america today mystics are not a big threat to us right if we're talking

00:38:10.980 yourself but sure if we're talking about the distant future and you're on a closed environment

00:38:16.620 spaceship or space station this becomes quite different mystics are an existential threat to

00:38:22.560 everyone else on board that spaceship or space station and this is why we have to be much

00:38:27.720 stricter when we're talking about like the way that techno puritan colonies would work because

00:38:31.520 we've always talked about intentionally setting them up in harsh environments if you're in

00:38:36.160 antarctica or something you have a colony or deep under the ocean and you have a colony

00:38:39.760 and you know you have somebody within that colony who is experimenting with whether or not we need

00:38:46.340 to breathe that has massive deleterious effects for everyone else in that colony well and i mean

00:38:52.000 presumably this is why there have been some isolated colonies that have just i don't know

00:38:57.920 you know someone went away for a little bit went to go buy some cigarettes came back

00:39:02.420 a year later no one was left alive yeah yeah you know came came with a ship of supplies from

00:39:08.640 england oh where is everyone things can go wrong real fast in these isolated communities you don't

00:39:15.180 want to you don't want to do this in space in the vacuum not not great and this is this is this is

00:39:19.740 where we are really excited about the diversity the genetic diversity that we will see in humanity's

00:39:24.760 future you know when you get different groups engaging fully with genetic augmentation groups

00:39:29.560 are going to spec into different things and that's going to be really really fun the other thing that

00:39:32.340 said on that call i saw was so interesting i've mentioned this before it's just such an interesting

00:39:35.760 take as i was like you know some groups like our group might might spec into like looking like

00:39:41.280 giant custodies or or space marines right and another group like say the jews with their high

00:39:47.500 sneak set as we often talk about might speak into like an agility sneak role or something like that 0.91

00:39:52.480 or you know and she's like you know when you're creating a boarding party or a party for your

00:39:56.880 crew you know you want people with these different specs right and each of them will have their own

00:40:02.780 role in the same way you're going to have a better team if you have like an orc warrior and like a

00:40:07.540 dwarf, you know, engineer and like an elfin archer, then you're going to have, if you have

00:40:11.580 like an all human team, right. It's been like a D and D game or something like that. And, and,

00:40:15.620 and so there is utility in tolerance for other world perspectives. When you are engaging with

00:40:25.020 those communities in a way that is mutually productive for each community, I just, you know,

00:40:30.280 and again, this isn't me saying I am against a, we may discover a dualist worldview in the future.

00:40:35.940 I am not saying that we don't discover that, but when we do it, you know, well, how can I use souls to power things, right? How can I, you know, use magic to, when we do immediately, it's a new physical puzzle to be dissected rather than intrinsically an enigma, because if it is intrinsically an enigma, then what we have tapped into is a chaos realm and a chaos realm is always destroying to the human mind.

00:41:05.040 you were telling me that if with your head the the certain amount of it after a while it's just

00:41:09.600 with your head that's why i'm usually kind of like almost autistic is i'm just being constantly

00:41:13.540 why because lower entities will come in and violate your free will they know all your they

00:41:19.360 see right through you they will not manipulate your free will unless you ask them in i have

00:41:24.320 dude do not say that i'm gonna get killed i've 100 communicated with something i'm not judging

00:41:31.140 anybody i'm just saying be careful the question is whether that something was actually in my

00:41:35.140 imagination or in my mind or that something was something that takes place in another dimension

00:41:39.900 once you open that gate it's all bad they why is it all bad why why can't you experience that

00:41:45.960 interdimensional being and learn something from it and be a better person because because every

00:41:52.420 time it gets control it starts murdering everybody they wind up killing everybody in every case it

00:41:57.760 It always starts beautiful.

00:41:58.760 It always starts great.

00:41:59.720 Problem is some of it makes sense.

00:42:01.360 That's where the psychosis comes in.

00:42:02.900 Whoa.

00:42:03.760 It's going to create a giant societal crisis where most of the people are already going

00:42:07.340 to get killed because an evil force wants conflict.

00:42:09.540 So I'm saying no, no, no.

00:42:11.360 It's all chaos.

00:42:12.380 Stop it.

00:42:13.220 This is the nature of the beast.

00:42:15.060 Hmm.

00:42:18.300 I like it.

00:42:21.920 Getting into pure techno-puritan philosophy here.

00:42:25.260 i've been doing more of those instead of like a straight literalist bible interpretations recently

00:42:28.840 because i realize that as the community is growing they need more not like why i am so

00:42:33.940 affirmed in this from the bible but a framing for how to see and interact with their beliefs about

00:42:41.200 the world and reality in a way that's useful to them and also a better understanding of how we're

00:42:46.220 actually different than other groups which may be not as much as both other groups and our

00:42:51.340 community would initially think right i agree yeah and we can't just look at how the bible's

00:43:00.400 legit but what makes the techno puritan a techno puritan and not some other new religion or old

00:43:06.520 religion yeah yeah very nice i love you so much and thank you for your time simone any any final

00:43:14.700 thoughts i love you too and and for food tonight we're just reheating potato i'm gonna make the

00:43:21.800 kids mac and cheese do you want some as well oh that potato is very filling okay i'm okay with

00:43:29.380 some bonchal if it's not extra work for you but also just reheating the two slices that we have

00:43:32.840 left of the potato is enough for me potato rare bit there must be a proper name for it okay

00:43:39.640 you did a good job with this well way to go

00:43:42.920 i feel bad because it's insufficient effort but that's not really the way the world works

00:43:51.040 i know i know i yeah there's this whole thing this i don't know how pervasive it is in other

00:43:57.840 cultures but like if you didn't suffer over it and if it didn't take forever it's not valuable

00:44:04.220 get around that like you you i think if you your influence from the church of subgenius

00:44:12.080 and this concept of slack may have no i just think it's in your nature to appreciate the

00:44:17.340 elegance of minimal movement and i appreciate that too but i've been so steeped in american

00:44:23.820 grind culture of like oh if i i have to perform which is officially a techno puritan sin now

00:44:29.880 simone i know it is genuinely sinful slack is virtue performative slack is a techno puritan

00:44:36.020 virtue they like study the subgenius to learn about sound slack because it is a techno puritan

00:44:41.120 virtue and to to deliberately act in a way that is extra work for yourself is time that you could

00:44:48.160 have spent contributing to the world or your sleep which you're always getting on me for

00:44:52.920 all right packed sleep packed let's do it tonight

00:44:57.920 okay okay okay okay okay it's on okay okay bye i love you love you ish

00:45:07.140 sorry toasty you know what happened now you're paying the price friend

00:45:13.020 he thinks i'm not there because he's in trouble yeah dude i'm never never miss an opportunity

00:45:19.520 to add drama to punishment yeah someone's banishment from good favor all right

00:45:27.580 have i learned anything interesting today i just there's this one i've tapped into this one

00:45:33.480 youtube channel that talks about cosmetic procedures in china and one of the things that

00:45:38.880 that was a trend for a while maybe it's still a trend is getting a permanent smile where like

00:45:46.680 your lips are just a little bit upturned constantly there was one actress who got it done and then she

00:45:53.460 went on this talk show where her mother berated her for getting too many cosmetic procedures 0.96

00:45:58.840 because she got like over 20, like she spent well over a hundred thousand dollars doing stuff to

00:46:03.440 her face. And then she goes on this talk show and her mom's like, I don't even recognize you anymore.

00:46:07.340 Like you have to stop. I'm going no contact if you keep doing this. And she's just sitting there,

00:46:13.860 like looking like, you know, like pleasantly smiling. And everyone's like, why are you not

00:46:18.700 reacting? Why are you not crying? And she's like, well, I am crying. It's just that I got surgery

00:46:23.860 to look like i'm constantly smiling so she looked really disingenuous and the audience is of course

00:46:30.180 horrified because that is horrifying yeah here's a funny thing i added super stock to our fab

00:46:36.380 yeah now they're the feature that was suggested by simone that allows you to stalk anyone

00:46:42.220 and get all of their information and it's actually quite good email finding yeah yeah because one

00:46:47.700 thing that i'm constantly doing is stalking people online and finding their emails and learning about

00:46:52.420 their backgrounds and their career and where they came from and i have to do all the separate

00:46:55.920 searches i use a little bit of ai a little bit of a specific type of google search you're doing it

00:47:01.420 for me now i just i just go on super stock with rfab is it is it live can i use it it'll be live

00:47:06.600 by the time we're done filming this episode the other two features i am scrambling to get done

00:47:11.360 by the time this goes live or at least within a few hours of this going live is leaflets cool new

00:47:18.120 thing for handling vtubing which is just like way better than anything i built our hardware thing

00:47:25.700 which for 45 allows you to buy a hardware app that you can flash with our software basically

00:47:31.420 your own personal pit boy and it's got its own unique system that allows it to switch emotions

00:47:36.000 send you images send you videos you know a lot more we really made it to tutor our kids so we

00:47:41.420 don't have to deal with you know raising the little buggers and then the final thing is an api

00:47:47.580 system that allows you to put in your own personal apis for anything you want to do and not pay us

00:47:52.460 it's just a way for us to make less money i don't know why we made it i was inspired by leaflet doing

00:47:58.500 it and i don't know capitalism maxing peer pressure i'm so excited super stock in addition

00:48:04.600 to super stock i'm now working on a feature that integrates email text whatsapp x and well

00:48:13.500 everything and people are like i think there's probably already some sites that probably try to

00:48:18.580 do this there are i mean like a hootsuite for example for people like managing a social media

00:48:23.500 presence allows you to schedule and check across platforms but i don't want to pay for it and i

00:48:29.400 imagine it's pretty i always like i've tried free trials of it and i don't really like it and then

00:48:33.520 there's there were a bunch of others that i'd used in the past that may have gone defunct now

00:48:37.440 the problem is that i'm sure a lot of people can relate to this this isn't something i struggle

00:48:41.420 with is that everyone has like there are some people we only talk with on discord and then

00:48:46.200 there's the only on signal person and there's the only on x version person and there's only only

00:48:51.560 email people only text people only whatsapp people i'm just like every day i use this routine

00:48:57.200 using the comment browser with perplexity to like open this like long list of urls so i can check

00:49:04.100 everything the linkedin messages the instagram dms i'm so freaking tired so you'll be able to

00:49:11.180 do that at the same place where you can generate not safe for work images and videos yeah you can

00:49:16.200 get it's a one-stop shop you can do everything you need to you can be you can do you could goon

00:49:21.620 and grind all in one place the engine that searches every not safe for work drawn image

00:49:27.800 gallery oh yeah i tested that on this drive to new york beer once on and i was like how effective

00:49:32.920 is this search system and so i decided to search cat girl and hamburger because i was like it

00:49:38.960 it couldn't possibly i will never i will never look at a hamburger the same way again then i

00:49:44.360 looked up excavator no excavators are ruined for me it works the big thing that it does is it's

00:49:51.020 strictly better for looking at not safe for work images than not safe for work image sites

00:49:55.080 themselves because it has a button that allows you to download an entire gallery at once and

00:50:00.080 zips it for you it's incredibly impressive it's it is deeply incredible and you can even do a

00:50:05.920 safer work versions of this right i think you can turn off nsfw yeah you can turn off but it's not

00:50:10.960 like if i just wanted to find like fan art i could just do that yeah like it combines like you know

00:50:15.800 pixiv and deviantart and danborough and all the other you know sites yeah i was shocked by how

00:50:22.080 effective that was and again i am completely i don't think i'll ever be able to eat a hamburger

00:50:26.100 again i don't think i'll ever be able to go buy an excavator again all right i'm not going to think

00:50:32.160 about it but what malcolm said to me this morning was what simone like what are ways that your life

00:50:37.580 could be made easier you know in theory with ai and i gave him my super stock thing and my i can't

00:50:44.000 deal with all the dms thing can you guys let us know like if there are any facets of your life

00:50:51.100 that could be improved with ai if we hear about it from enough people malcolm will just build it

00:50:55.140 he built my super stock like this happens from leaflet stream somebody on a leaflet stream was

00:50:59.660 randomly like can you build a a dm narration helper that makes it easier to dm games and i

00:51:05.800 was like yeah sure i can build an ai dm assist he did this like i was cutting apples downstairs for

00:51:11.000 the kids because our child care fell through today and like then i come up with apples and

00:51:15.840 smoothies and he's like i built super stuff yeah i feel so inadequate ages because i've got to test

00:51:22.660 every single integration and make sure it works and some of them i have to get around like the

00:51:27.560 developers own rules to do this so I'll basically be taking parts of their stuff

00:51:32.180 on your computer and hijacking it so good you want the sheet movie Andy are

00:51:50.140 you are you okay now

Based Camp - July 13, 2026

The Technology Behind the Soul (Mysticism, Tech, & Witches)

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