00:08:05.040convince you well then maybe you just don't deserve to get what you want is that i believe
00:08:11.580that to understand reality we must probe reality right and this is how the vast majority of science
00:08:18.080came about it was people trying to understand god's plan better right like that that is
00:08:21.880what science was historically right it is it is the knowledge of god to what is it cover things
00:08:28.880it's the knowledge of kings to unveil them right you know and and so for a long time historically
00:08:33.660that is what drew scientific advancement was a desire to get closer to god in in our understanding
00:08:40.220of reality as we're directly commanded to do in that verse in in the bible right and so the the
00:08:46.020the the spiritualist on the other hand thinks that to understand a higher order reality
00:08:50.380the direction you probe is with rituals and inwards leap you know basically through meditation and
00:09:00.460rituals you can discover or even psychedelics was in some communities oh okay yeah that is a very
00:09:07.460specific division then yeah okay no okay whereas we see these things as corruptions of the mind
00:09:15.460and for people who understand why we see things as corrupted mental states it's because the
00:09:20.660the information that is obtained during them is generally speaking worse at being predictive of
00:09:30.900future world states future physical states basically the stuff that science allows
00:09:36.780than a sober mind is and so we see them negatively but i'll drop in on kid speaker
00:09:43.840okay then you be good clean up some messes and when i come down we'll make mac and cheese all
00:09:48.800right okay bye guys and then this brings me to another interesting question here which i just
00:09:54.460i hadn't thought through before which is okay suppose there is a spiritual world because
00:10:00.940somebody that's what would it take for me to believe in a spiritual world and i was like well
00:10:04.380if there was a spiritual world it would presumably operate by some set of rules and we would be able
00:10:10.160to eventually as technology increases interact with it in some meaningful way right or even even
00:10:16.920if it's not as technology increases as our understanding of ritual increases as our
00:10:21.960understanding of meditation increases as our understanding of you know all of these people
00:10:26.220who are these spiritual masters if they're presumably advancing any real knowledge that
00:10:31.560has efficacious utility in the world we would see their power intergenerationally advance
00:10:38.000and when it reaches a point where the efficaciousness of the spiritual pursuit and research
00:10:44.300is undeniable what you're going to have happen is companies will begin to exploit that right like
00:10:49.980if oh yeah oh my gosh i'm forgetting the name of scott alexander's book that explores exactly
00:10:56.400this concept that like what if suddenly it was just discovered and then you get these startups
00:10:59.980that are like farming for like incantations that you can use that will you know incite different
00:11:05.220things to happen yeah they like go through just different words all day until they try to find
00:11:09.980one one iteration of the word that has some power right yeah and then they patent it yeah
00:11:14.440yeah and then there's patents for determining when people are using the the incantations
00:11:19.180without exactly but that is like when people like what if a spiritual world existed in the way that
00:11:27.400i would believe in that spiritual world it would be mortifying it would be warhammer 40k that like
00:11:33.900basically you need the spiritual world to be like the warp to have this not happen right so you could
00:11:39.700have a spiritual world where like the spiritual world is just and this is how it is in warhammer
00:11:44.660it's by its nature chaotic and malevolent and leads to feedback loops and if this is the world
00:11:51.000what does that mean chaotic malevolent and leads to feedback loops well so what happens in the 40k
00:11:56.640universe is everything that like humanity collectively believes in begins to or or any
00:12:01.160species believes in begins to grow a physical form within the war which is yeah like in neil
00:12:06.600game ends american gods yeah but what that means is simple basal desires essentially create feedback
00:12:13.240so like a fear of death and disease creates a feedback loop where it creates a god that
00:12:21.200grows the more fear of death and disease there is so this god creates more death and disease
00:12:26.740which creates more fear of death and disease which creates more death and disease which and
00:12:31.640so you get a feedback loop which leads to a god you have the same thing with like lust you have
00:12:34.680the same thing was like the god of lust would want to create like crazy you know annavalens like
00:12:42.340you know what do we call those cinnabites right who just do anything for pleasure until there0.69
00:12:48.220there's nothing left about a husk of who they once were and that this this creates these horrible1.00
00:12:53.820cycles right but generally this sort of world where where even even in this world like in the1.00
00:13:00.100warhammer world people can still achieve some benefits from being like a zish follower or0.77
00:13:05.380something like that right like but if if the the spiritual world is just purely chaos you would1.00
00:13:11.560not be able to use it and this would explain all of the warnings of people who are like
00:13:14.840don't gaze into spiritualism it just messes up those people's minds it just scrambles them the
00:13:19.440vast majority of people mentally break and i point this out i mean you could just look the vast
00:13:22.840majority of spiritual gurus basically go get nutso butso they they stop practicing proper hygiene
00:13:27.640they begin to look like wild-eyed they have a a harder and harder time thinking logically through
00:13:34.220what they're doing and it can lead to to fall off and we can go into why this happens in just a
00:13:38.880second but to take it aside here spiritualism as a like if if it does have factual power
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00:14:52.800ballast spa where you might glimpse the face of god awakening your mind a cosmic cause you can now
00:15:00.320suddenly comprehend we're like coca-cola begins to like mine this beast is like a a form of a soda
00:15:07.840for people right like the the moment anything is understandable to the extent that it can be used
00:15:14.080for personal benefit it can be used for corporate benefit and industrialized right what the hell is
00:15:19.560this thing made out of all right fine i might have used a few unorthodox parts just tell me one
00:15:25.900an orphan did you say an orphan yeah a little orphan boy it's powered by a forsaken child
00:15:38.180might be kind of i mean i didn't use the whole thing so it's a pretty mortifying world to think
00:15:43.440Now, you could think maybe God puts on specific protectors that prevent the spiritual world from being engaged with in this way, to which I would say, well, if you believe that you're not a Christian and you're not a Jew, because Jews very explicitly believe that through engaging with the spiritual world, you can accidentally contact mental health and spirits that can cause problems.0.78
00:16:05.880i mean this was a proud the ball shims always used to do this sort of stuff that you can you0.59
00:16:09.360know cause i mean a lot of jewish classical stories are about some ball shim went out there0.81
00:16:16.220created a golem or something when he wasn't supposed to and he goes nuts and destroys the
00:16:20.220town this is like classic jewish storytelling so jews don't believe this do christians believe0.85
00:16:24.480this well presumably if you think that witches are real to any extent if you are a spiritualist
00:16:30.660you do believe that they're clearly harnessing malevolent spiritual power right like
00:16:35.580so and the bible does tell us that witches exist right now obviously i i think that what it means
00:16:41.220by that is mysticism more broadly but you know if if you believe in spiritualism you're you're
00:16:46.820going to believe in in witches so uh you know suffer not a witch to live and all that but these
00:16:51.160people who who believe this more broadly they also know that okay well so at least the bible
00:16:55.300doesn't say that god keeps a positive interaction with the spiritual plane so okay or you could say
00:17:03.240well whenever you engage with a spiritual plane for personal benefit it ends up having some sort
00:17:08.780of like reverberating negative effect on you which maybe maybe that could be a reason but i i still
00:17:17.920think that there would be a way a company could get around that right like maybe use like pawns
00:17:22.740as the spiritualists and then sort of farm out their bad luck and make money while not directly
00:17:28.720engaging with spiritualism but having all the secret rituals themselves right you know there's
00:17:33.200there's always a way this can be exploited. Right. So, but then what do you even gain by
00:17:39.180believing in the additional spiritual reality? Right. What, how, how different would the
00:17:44.380spiritual reality need to be from the material one to be a meaningfully different reality to you?
00:17:49.720Well, but I think where I really have my, I guess, gripes or has it like,
00:17:55.340i take umbrage on this idea of i can just search internally and find truth when we know how flawed
00:18:05.300both like from if you just want to look biblically at how flawed people's own minds are and opinions
00:18:10.440are and like views how warped your view of reality can be plus our understanding of just actual
00:18:17.000biology and the human brain from science thus well i mean and it creates horrible like this
00:18:24.820is why mystics so often go crazy is if your own subjective experience of reality is the ultimate
00:18:31.020truth of that reality then when you're in a group of other mystics right which mystics interpretation
00:18:38.280because you can't be like you're provably wrong look here um which mystics interpretation comes
00:18:44.340first and the mystics who's the top of the popularity hierarchy basically the one who can
00:18:48.860push the others around right because one person goes well subjectively i feel this is true and
00:18:52.920the other mystics as well subjectively i feel this is true yeah it's using very faulty equipment
00:18:57.240for something like i i don't care what ultimately is real but i do care that we are using you know
00:19:04.900a thing that works for measuring engaging what it is because if you really care about the thing
00:19:11.260don't you want to know like they're they're trying to to use like i gosh i don't know like
00:19:19.240they're stretching out like uh a chewed up piece of gum and they're like well it's one gum long
00:19:25.820because they i stretched it out and that's how long it is and that's that that's not you can't
00:19:31.220use a chewed on piece of gum to measure the length of something that isn't it's not a thing like
00:19:35.800you're not going to get consistent results like you can you can stretch it out and find a length
00:19:40.560but that's not no and i do so that's my biggest problem here like when you think about a community
00:19:46.980so imagine two mystics disagree with each other how do they determine who's right now
00:19:50.240in judia it's the louder more charismatic one yeah yeah the jews will say well they go to the
00:19:55.520the you know the the writings and it's like you know as well as i do that that doesn't always
00:20:00.500work in the mystic communities it usually doesn't work in the mystic communities yeah i mean and
00:20:04.920famously we know this doesn't work because the balsham top literally did this when
00:20:08.260rabbi dov bear who everybody knew was a more learned rabbi than the rabbi balsham he was
00:20:14.640generally considered this. He considers him else that the Baal Shem considers him this. He goes to
00:20:17.960the Baal Shem Tov, the Baal Shem does some miracles in front of him. And he's like, okay,
00:20:22.100I've been convinced that everything that Jews have taught for the past thousand years is wrong,0.78
00:20:25.940right? Like, you know, because he came to the Baal Shem Tov. This was his main convert who1.00
00:20:30.800ended up becoming the next head rabbi of the group that today became the Hasidic movement,
00:20:35.840which again, big movement, right? And at the time, a lot of Jews were like, oh, you shouldn't do this.0.53
00:20:39.100But now it's been so baked into Judaism because, you know, Abad has so much power that the,0.60
00:20:44.640the the this was the right thing to do that as a jew you should follow the mystic was a closer
00:20:51.560connection to god over the guys who know the text better now obviously historically as a jew you're0.60
00:20:57.080not supposed to do this this is very clear in the steak oven story the oven of unkay story but you
00:21:02.300we talk about this in some of our other tracks you don't need to go we don't need to legislate0.98
00:21:05.780here the point i'm making here is so some jews today you know will say well judy them constrained
00:21:12.100by the text which it used to be but it's not it's not as well anymore because these precedents have
00:21:16.160been set and accepted within the hasidic community and it's hard it's hard to put that back in the
00:21:20.220bottle you can't be like well the bashan tab was clearly in the wrong right because he you know
00:21:25.500did miracle working over the text over textual legal analysis but you know and this and this
00:21:30.580can lead to individuals crashing out right and we see this you know i i obviously i consider like
00:21:35.080rubyard a good friend right and we warned him against going down this path and i think that
00:21:40.040you know a lot of people are familiar with you know ayahuasca they're talking to odin thing and
00:21:43.960everything like that and i think that i don't really hold that against him that's who he is
00:21:47.260that's who he's always represented himself as being the very mystical person but like this is
00:21:50.640why mysticism can sort of lead you in these directions because external world pushing back
00:21:58.080and being like that doesn't sound objectively true is no longer a pushback to your logic it's no
00:22:03.880longer a pushback to your experience or world perspective which can lead to wildly out there
00:22:08.400this is where we have our episode no witches on on spaceships because you can begin to act in a way
00:22:13.140that is wildly dangerous vis-a-vis the wider community if now you are taking your subjective
00:22:19.780experience of how you think the life support system should work and if people are like oh1.00
00:22:23.860mystics would never go that far i mean look at the breatharians that are randomly killing1.00
00:22:28.100themselves all the time you you've heard of the breatharians right i thought those were made up0.99
00:22:33.160they were a part of that fake cult that i participated in oh no breatharians are real0.86
00:22:37.660When it comes to food preferences, you've probably heard of a vegetarian, a pescatarian.1.00
00:24:00.760you got a negative attitude that's what's stopping you you got to get your act together
00:24:05.460yeah but no you you you repeatedly see people who believe that they can obtain a portion of
00:24:11.480life energy from like spiritual stuff and so they they go and they search out this stuff
00:24:16.260but the point i i wanted to get to which i find to be a very interesting point is how
00:24:19.540large do you need the spiritual world to be for it to be meaningful to you so i'll explain what
00:24:26.660I mean by this. What if it turns out that the spiritual world as we understand it is simply
00:24:33.420another dimension operating on different physical laws? I mean, I really don't know what it would be
00:24:39.980if not that, right? Like it's another dimension that can interact with our dimension and operates
00:24:45.880on a separate set of laws. Those laws are just the physics of this other reality, right? In which
00:24:52.960case why have you gained something significantly above the understanding we have by just looking
00:24:57.800at our reality by positing this the other possibility is that the spiritual world is a
00:25:03.200secondary layer of our reality that our reality exists with two membranel layers like basically
00:25:11.200a membranel layer was spiritual reality on one side of that layer and the reality of the material
00:25:16.820world on the other side of that well this isn't necessarily mysticism this is sci-fi this is
00:25:21.180parallel worlds, right? This is like a thin veil between different worlds or different versions of
00:25:25.940reality. I mean, the difference between sci-fi and mysticism can be very thin, possibly even
00:25:34.300non-existent, a question of vocabulary choice. Yeah. And one of the things that I've always
00:25:39.920found most, like the reason why I became like very sincerely techno-puritan when I went back
00:25:44.260and read the Bible is I was unaware that a literalist reading of the Bible could give me
00:25:49.320a materialist perspective on reality right like that i was like oh like it actually promotes the
00:25:54.240idea that all of this is happening with technology and like super super advanced technology but with
00:25:58.520technology as we understand it and that it doesn't actually push for a separate spiritual world if
00:26:04.800you want to get into why we argue that you can look at our track series where we go over that
00:26:07.860i think track eight is where we cover that the most might be track eight or nine where we cover
00:26:11.660that the most which is generally a good jumping off point if you're already religious to understand
00:26:15.280how heretical we are but yeah so that is like i don't think that you're gaining a lot of you're
00:26:20.720just like well there's another dimension with some rules that we don't fully understand yet
00:26:24.080if there's if there's another dimension with rules we don't understand yet then you're you're
00:26:28.640positing a physical hypothesis about reality you're not really positing a spiritual realm
00:26:34.740you're positing that there is something that the scientists the academics the experts
00:26:40.980simply haven't discovered and cataloged yet but it is real in the way that that this world is real
00:26:47.460just operating on different physical subsets which makes the antagonism against the techno
00:26:52.680puritan tradition from a spiritualist perspective or from a dualist perspective very odd when you
00:26:57.920actually break this out because you're like oh the dualist doesn't actually have some special
00:27:04.700when they're like well i believe in like the wonder of magic and spiritualism and it's like well
00:27:10.300that's not really a wonder that's just you positing that there's something that we don't
00:27:15.180understand where i also posit there are things we don't understand i just think they probably
00:27:20.920don't look like that yeah i think for me it comes down to word choice and there are entirely
00:27:28.560legitimate reasons why people would just stylistically prefer different words and
00:27:33.080tool use and my problem is with the tool use that's it explain your subjective experience
00:27:41.500your lived experience is not the best tool your i feel like i had this experience or god spoke to me
00:27:47.220is not reliable because if we want to use your own chosen vocabulary mystic mystical person
00:27:54.160demons also speak to you and they tell you i'm god hi i'm god listen to me i'm correct right like
00:28:01.060and also just your mind is not a very reliable narrator no matter what just anyone who's
00:28:07.380experienced addiction would easily be able to explain that your mind can very cleverly get you
00:28:14.520to do very terrible and wrong things it is not it is not to be trusted like especially in these
00:28:20.700corrupted states and that's one of the problems about the corrupted state of the mystic is that
00:28:26.520But because it all becomes, at the end of the day, a popularity contest or a charisma contest, what it means is that the, well, it's assuming that they don't have any actual power.
00:28:38.700Now, if they do have actual power, then, you know, why are they curing world hunger, right?
00:28:44.280Like, why are they performing magic tricks, right?
00:28:46.800Yeah, I don't know about any famous mystic who saved millions of lives or did amazing things or moved society forward, moved humanity forward.
00:28:57.780Note here, I should clarify, she means mystics made any major contributions in their mystical research.
00:29:04.540Obviously, mystics have made contributions in other areas, like Isaac Newton was famously a big mystic.
00:29:11.500But all of the time, the otherwise smart person spent that could have made many more contributions to humanity that he spent on his mystical research ended up with no contribution to humanity.
00:29:24.260It just sucks the life and time from otherwise well-meaning individuals.
00:29:30.480I mean, I think that there are some, like St. Francis of Assisi, I think inspired a lot of people.
00:29:39.620otherwise intelligent people that are basically removed from the efficacious pool of earth's
00:29:46.960population yeah yeah fertility shredder iq shredder yeah not great not great not great
00:29:53.340well because if you're if whether or not you're a good person is entirely subjective to this
00:29:57.880internal framework that you've built for yourself a lot of people want to believe like well i'm good
00:30:02.380enough right like i'm you know and so they they lean into that and it leads them to engage with
00:30:08.360information without any external way to wait to deconfirm it right i agree and it's very
00:30:16.920frustrating but i think understanding that that there doesn't need to be a difference between
00:30:21.920technology and magic that there there doesn't i think there's a lot of groups that could be
00:30:27.300working together or appreciating things well i think a lot of look give credit to catholics okay
00:30:35.000the the the groups you know like i think a lot of muslims did this as well like islam had its
00:30:40.880moment with this too but i i know mostly of historical examples of catholics being among
00:30:45.660the first to really move forward the sciences to move forward our understanding of the world
00:30:49.100and the universe because they wanted to understand the magic of god the amazing things that god has
00:30:54.100built right yeah and they're never like there was this point and i don't know exactly when
00:30:59.140historically there was this divide when suddenly like learning more about science became heretical
00:31:04.760and i think maybe it was a corruption it was a corruption of humans not of anything of what god
00:31:10.320wanted so if you're wondering when this was the biggest and direct turning point where they went
00:31:16.360to ai to ask was probably galileo up until 1616 the church had regularly supported and invested
00:31:23.960in scientific advancement at 1616 the church's consultants declared heliocentrism the earth
00:31:30.640orbiting the sun as false and contrary to scripture this is based on certain readings of
00:31:35.860the bible although it wasn't formally declared by the inquisition at this point and galileo
00:31:41.180was tried in 1633 he was forced to recant and sentenced to house under arrest and his book
00:31:49.940was placed on the index of forbidden works and after this point they begin to more frequently
00:31:55.460and just sort of escalatingly deny science but again of course if we just went back to the way0.55
00:32:02.140catholics used to be but i i'd point out that if you look at catholics in in how they relate to
00:32:08.560mysticism they have a benefit and that they have a centralized institution that can you know rein
00:32:13.200in the charismatic mystic and just be like no you're wrong like people need to stop listening
00:32:18.840to you at this point this is just wrong but because they've always had that level of protection
00:32:24.420against mysticism it means that the latent level of mysticism within catholic communities has
00:32:28.940always been higher than other christian denominations so basically they don't they
00:32:33.120don't get the worst of it they're protected from that but the latent toxic effects of mysticism
00:32:38.300is much higher yeah i mean obviously within techno parents not tolerated acknowledge that
00:32:44.300at least at one point in human history it was the catholics who best understood that magic and
00:32:51.040technology are the same thing yeah i mean i i think that the the techno puritan perspective
00:32:57.520on this is obviously you know for now we are a minority population you know living in a society
00:33:05.500where these things are normalized and it is upon us to not make ourselves negative externalities
00:33:10.620on other groups by being overly aggressive on the point of witchcraft or mysticism right you know
00:33:17.740oh okay so you're saying hey give some grace to mystics give some grace to witches well we say
00:33:22.840don't interfere with the basilisk right like mysticism absolutely yes until like this this
00:33:30.760changes when you have techno puritan first communities techno puritan first spaceships
00:33:35.940techno puritan first colonies right like within within the techno puritan space there there's
00:33:41.820zero tolerance for it but that doesn't stop us from tolerating it among other groups that are not
00:33:47.120impinging on our ability right right the bible lays out suffer not a witch to live and i think
00:33:53.920that should be the rule within techno puritan right of course people define which very differently
00:33:59.640yes that's definitions are i mean if you're using magic against god's will that's like a witch right
00:34:08.600like you you have you have specifically tapped in to god's purview presumably a catholic
00:34:16.820turn around on us per our episode per what we've said here and say okay technology is magic magic
00:34:24.480is technology you are using ivf technology against a god's will i.e by you know creating
00:34:30.980souls that may possibly be trapped forever on ice until they are you know taken away from us
00:34:37.740discarded for some weird reason i don't know but god commanded us to move forward technology
00:34:43.540technology right like that that it was the line i talked about earlier that is how like obviously
00:34:48.800when you create a new uh life-saving medical procedure when you create a new you know any
00:34:54.820when you cure cancer or something like that there have been christian groups that said you know like
00:34:58.800no blood transfers no catholic says no blood transfers nor do i think any catholic would
00:35:04.260actually trade 10 just fertilized blastocysts for a 10 year old human boy's life right like i think
00:35:12.400that actually the moral equation is quite well understood it's just engaged with differently
00:35:17.680right but when it comes to mysticism more broadly what i'm talking about is because this is something
00:35:23.560i've thought about more like as the religion grows as we get members what does it look like
00:35:28.200if we ever have our own colonies if we ever have a techno puritan majority countries right like
00:35:35.020techno puritan majority environments how do we relate to secular law within those environments
00:35:41.960and i think that we should be very aggressive at least with members of our community of anything
00:35:51.080that smacks of mystical framing and this isn't to say mystical research mystical research is
00:35:57.460always allowed this is disprovable like if you're like i'm going to do an experiment on the world
00:36:02.700of mysticism fine because then you're bringing mysticism into science right and we're we're
00:36:06.540understanding it better it's when the idea is based on wishy thinking and the reason i say all
00:36:13.380this is i just think it leads to next extra negative externalities in people's lives not
00:36:16.820sure whether these worlds exist or not whether they're tapping into something real or not it
00:36:20.600seems to damage people's lives and and damage the lives of people around them because eventually you
00:36:26.580end up with essentially if i'm a mystic professionally and i'm not producing any
00:36:31.780money right i'm getting money from either my disciples or from the people my disciples teach
00:36:38.880and so i've set up this completely parasitic both in terms of economic and technological
00:36:46.580productivity because it's it's drawing and reflux from the group around it but also a parasitic
00:36:52.960community that bleeds poison into the logic of the people that it touches yeah and i guess another
00:37:01.340way you could look at it too because i think there's a lot of people who politely support
00:37:07.480tolerate mysticism but you could ask would you be happy if your son or daughter became a diehard
00:37:15.620mystic because if not then maybe be a little less tolerant well yeah i mean i think
00:37:22.540and and i will be incredibly strict with our kids if it comes to something like horoscopes or
00:37:26.760something like this when it comes to you know any of the crystals or whatever no no those are so
00:37:33.280pervasive oh my gosh horoscopes and crystals these days am i right yeah it's so hard to tell
00:37:39.160too when people are talking about it ironically versus not because all you have to do is be like
00:37:47.600uh but he's an aries oh well that explains everything and i can never tell if someone's
00:37:52.980joking or if they actually believe that like there are traits anyway let's not and for people
00:38:01.320who understand why you have to be so strict about this stuff a when we're talking about the far
00:38:05.060future in something like america today mystics are not a big threat to us right if we're talking
00:38:10.980yourself but sure if we're talking about the distant future and you're on a closed environment
00:38:16.620spaceship or space station this becomes quite different mystics are an existential threat to
00:38:22.560everyone else on board that spaceship or space station and this is why we have to be much
00:38:27.720stricter when we're talking about like the way that techno puritan colonies would work because
00:38:31.520we've always talked about intentionally setting them up in harsh environments if you're in
00:38:36.160antarctica or something you have a colony or deep under the ocean and you have a colony
00:38:39.760and you know you have somebody within that colony who is experimenting with whether or not we need
00:38:46.340to breathe that has massive deleterious effects for everyone else in that colony well and i mean
00:38:52.000presumably this is why there have been some isolated colonies that have just i don't know
00:38:57.920you know someone went away for a little bit went to go buy some cigarettes came back
00:39:02.420a year later no one was left alive yeah yeah you know came came with a ship of supplies from
00:39:08.640england oh where is everyone things can go wrong real fast in these isolated communities you don't
00:39:15.180want to you don't want to do this in space in the vacuum not not great and this is this is this is
00:39:19.740where we are really excited about the diversity the genetic diversity that we will see in humanity's
00:39:24.760future you know when you get different groups engaging fully with genetic augmentation groups
00:39:29.560are going to spec into different things and that's going to be really really fun the other thing that
00:39:32.340said on that call i saw was so interesting i've mentioned this before it's just such an interesting
00:39:35.760take as i was like you know some groups like our group might might spec into like looking like
00:39:41.280giant custodies or or space marines right and another group like say the jews with their high
00:39:47.500sneak set as we often talk about might speak into like an agility sneak role or something like that0.91
00:39:52.480or you know and she's like you know when you're creating a boarding party or a party for your
00:39:56.880crew you know you want people with these different specs right and each of them will have their own
00:40:02.780role in the same way you're going to have a better team if you have like an orc warrior and like a
00:40:07.540dwarf, you know, engineer and like an elfin archer, then you're going to have, if you have
00:40:11.580like an all human team, right. It's been like a D and D game or something like that. And, and,
00:40:15.620and so there is utility in tolerance for other world perspectives. When you are engaging with
00:40:25.020those communities in a way that is mutually productive for each community, I just, you know,
00:40:30.280and again, this isn't me saying I am against a, we may discover a dualist worldview in the future.
00:40:35.940I am not saying that we don't discover that, but when we do it, you know, well, how can I use souls to power things, right? How can I, you know, use magic to, when we do immediately, it's a new physical puzzle to be dissected rather than intrinsically an enigma, because if it is intrinsically an enigma, then what we have tapped into is a chaos realm and a chaos realm is always destroying to the human mind.
00:41:05.040you were telling me that if with your head the the certain amount of it after a while it's just
00:41:09.600with your head that's why i'm usually kind of like almost autistic is i'm just being constantly
00:41:13.540why because lower entities will come in and violate your free will they know all your they
00:41:19.360see right through you they will not manipulate your free will unless you ask them in i have
00:41:24.320dude do not say that i'm gonna get killed i've 100 communicated with something i'm not judging
00:41:31.140anybody i'm just saying be careful the question is whether that something was actually in my
00:41:35.140imagination or in my mind or that something was something that takes place in another dimension
00:41:39.900once you open that gate it's all bad they why is it all bad why why can't you experience that
00:41:45.960interdimensional being and learn something from it and be a better person because because every
00:41:52.420time it gets control it starts murdering everybody they wind up killing everybody in every case it