Based Camp - July 22, 2024


The Three Factions That make Up The New Republican Party


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In this episode, Simone and I talk about what it means to be a conservative in the 21st century, and why it s so hard to understand the modern Republican Party. We also talk about why the modern conservative party is so different from the pre-Trump conservative coalition, and how it s changed since then.

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00:00:00.640 Hello, Simone! I am excited to be here with you today.
00:00:04.000 Some days I just have, like, this breakthrough in my perception of reality
00:00:08.560 that changes everything for me, in a way.
00:00:13.680 Like, I wish, people are like, why can't you only record the good, you know, the good episodes?
00:00:18.300 Like, do it one time, because it's really good.
00:00:19.800 And I'm like, that's, like, not how my brain works.
00:00:21.540 I need to be cruising.
00:00:23.200 But occasionally I'll have an idea, and I'll be like, oh, wow, this is earth-shattering for me.
00:00:26.900 And I wish I could make, like, a better, a premium.
00:00:31.160 But this is definitely going to go in the best episodes category,
00:00:33.060 because I think I now understand something that was really difficult for me to understand before.
00:00:40.280 And it gives me a better vision of what the Republican Party is and where it's going.
00:00:46.460 I'm so intrigued.
00:00:48.260 Would you like to know more?
00:00:49.660 So, the thing that I didn't understand is, I saw this at NatCon, but I've seen this more broadly.
00:00:55.740 When I talk to conservatives that are in the old conservative intellectual elite,
00:01:01.920 these are the conservatives from the pre-Trump era sort of staffers, intellectual elite.
00:01:08.060 When I say intellectual elite, I mean the type of people who are at the think tanks,
00:01:10.760 the type of people who are being paid to be career conservatives.
00:01:14.300 They often come off to me as incredibly socialist, bordering on Marxist.
00:01:20.500 And, like, Lyman Stone's a great example of this.
00:01:22.340 He is a hardcore socialist.
00:01:25.040 And I just didn't understand it.
00:01:27.180 I didn't understand why they identified it with conservatism.
00:01:29.640 Now, they're Christian socialists, and so I could kind of get that.
00:01:32.360 I was like, well, maybe it's that because they're Christian,
00:01:34.900 they don't feel that they'll be accepted in the progressive circle,
00:01:38.060 so they just try to push their socialism in conservatist circles.
00:01:43.080 But, generally speaking, I didn't get it.
00:01:45.600 I didn't get where this was coming from.
00:01:46.900 And I also feel like my understanding of the conservative party transition
00:01:52.140 was the introduction of Trump and post-Trump has been diluted,
00:02:00.180 or, like, not as good as I would like it to be.
00:02:03.960 It has felt very, like, eh.
00:02:05.980 Like, I kind of get it, and I can put together, like,
00:02:09.500 long explanations about what it is,
00:02:13.160 but a really tight explanation that made it easy for me to understand,
00:02:17.940 like, how the policy positions flipped in the way that they flipped.
00:02:21.380 No, I was not capable of doing that.
00:02:23.500 So, I had this realization to me, and I was like,
00:02:26.580 oh, my God, everything makes sense.
00:02:28.540 So, we're going to go over it.
00:02:30.160 But it is in understanding the conservative party
00:02:32.980 and the waves of the conservative party.
00:02:34.940 So, first, you had what I'm going to call GOP, Inc.
00:02:40.180 This is the pre-Trump conservative coalition.
00:02:44.120 This coalition used disgust-based morality,
00:02:47.340 as we've talked about in other episodes,
00:02:48.840 to motivate its base.
00:02:50.420 Like, ew, like, that would be a ew thing.
00:02:52.300 But, like, who actually made up its elite class,
00:02:54.920 its philosophical class,
00:02:56.580 and the class that it used to staff administrations?
00:02:59.520 It was an alliance of two interests.
00:03:03.480 One interest group was theocrats.
00:03:07.660 These are people who had a strong religious framework for reality
00:03:10.760 and believed that it should be represented in the government
00:03:13.840 and should be legalized.
00:03:15.180 Like, morality should be legislated.
00:03:18.100 And the second, i.e., people should be,
00:03:20.140 like, the laws should be designed to force people to act
00:03:23.400 more in line with their religious frameworks.
00:03:25.740 Right.
00:03:26.060 And the second framework in this team-up
00:03:28.000 was big business and intergenerational wells.
00:03:31.500 Now, people today, if you're, like, Gen Alpha or Gen Z,
00:03:35.940 you'll be, like, the people who ran large companies,
00:03:40.600 people thought they were conservative historically.
00:03:43.120 They didn't think they were the people staffing the White House.
00:03:48.060 They were the core.
00:03:49.100 In, like, the Bush era in the 90s,
00:03:51.480 this was, like, Mr. Burns-type characters.
00:03:55.040 That was, like, obviously Mr. Burns was a conservative
00:03:58.560 and not a far progressive.
00:03:59.980 But now it's inconceivable to think of a corporation not being,
00:04:04.240 at least trying to look woke.
00:04:06.520 Ultra woke.
00:04:07.380 Actually, here I'm reminded a lot of a character like Jack Donaghy
00:04:10.240 from 30 Rock.
00:04:11.820 The Jack Donaghy character in the modern world
00:04:14.500 would just 100% be a progressive woke person.
00:04:18.680 But in the time period when 30 Rock was filmed,
00:04:21.160 it made sense to film him as a very conservative person
00:04:24.400 because he was a big business stooge.
00:04:27.000 If you, and just, you know, imagine like this.
00:04:29.560 So you go in the 90s,
00:04:30.480 if you went to a company like McKinsey or something like that,
00:04:33.460 the default assumption would be, you know,
00:04:35.900 you are a Bush supporter.
00:04:37.620 If you go to McKinsey today,
00:04:39.100 because I have a lot of friends who work at companies
00:04:40.620 like McKinsey and Bain and everything like that,
00:04:43.720 these companies wouldn't even hire someone like me.
00:04:47.620 Like I would be barred from being hired
00:04:49.700 because I am publicly conservative.
00:04:51.940 That is how much things have flipped.
00:04:54.020 Also, this reflection helps me realize
00:04:56.620 how perfect an avatar of this old institution Mitt Romney was.
00:05:02.380 The perfect big business plus theocrat candidate.
00:05:07.720 And he couldn't win.
00:05:09.220 And that's why the transition to a new system was necessary.
00:05:12.660 Well, it is also true for like the billionaires
00:05:14.880 that were made in that generation.
00:05:16.540 You know, you look at your Mark Zuckerbergs,
00:05:18.020 you look at your Bill Gates,
00:05:18.980 or like really any of them.
00:05:19.760 They all are very much,
00:05:21.920 and a lot of the old money families went that way.
00:05:24.340 There's this conference that you can go to.
00:05:25.980 It's called a Nexus,
00:05:27.140 which I'd been invited to, you know,
00:05:28.300 because my family is a lot of intergenerational wealth.
00:05:31.380 I didn't get any of it, by the way.
00:05:32.860 I was kicked out, but they did have it,
00:05:35.020 which gives me invites to these sorts of things.
00:05:36.960 Or IPI.
00:05:38.360 Institute of Private Investors, I think.
00:05:39.840 Something like that.
00:05:40.300 But anyway, lots of intergenerational wealth
00:05:41.860 at both of these.
00:05:42.480 And they are the furthest left things
00:05:44.240 you could possibly imagine.
00:05:45.560 Oh, yeah.
00:05:46.520 No better way to get a communist these days
00:05:48.520 than be a billionaire's kid.
00:05:50.640 Yeah, the Institute for Private Investors.
00:05:53.480 So I've been to these,
00:05:54.880 and this is a change.
00:05:56.200 This didn't used to be the case.
00:05:58.380 You know, it used to be that
00:05:59.560 these were pocket conservative factions.
00:06:01.920 But they left, the business owners,
00:06:04.460 and they left before Trump came around.
00:06:07.020 By the time Trump hit the stage,
00:06:09.000 these people had left the coalition.
00:06:11.260 And the coalition was desperately signaling
00:06:13.520 to try to keep them on board,
00:06:14.760 but they were mostly gone at that point.
00:06:16.700 And during that era,
00:06:18.620 while the intergenerational wealth
00:06:20.980 was conservative,
00:06:22.500 and the heads of companies,
00:06:24.880 you know,
00:06:25.040 your Jack Donaghy's, right?
00:06:26.300 Like he was a character that represented this,
00:06:28.660 were ultra-conservative.
00:06:29.780 Your entrepreneurs and your techies
00:06:32.080 were, you know,
00:06:33.340 people who had made their wealth
00:06:34.380 off of their brains,
00:06:35.760 like your first-generation brain wealth, right?
00:06:38.580 These people were actually very progressive.
00:06:41.420 You know, this is your, you know,
00:06:42.640 your Steve Jobs and stuff like that
00:06:44.260 at that period, right?
00:06:45.000 Like it's super, super progressive.
00:06:46.660 Then as half of this coalition left,
00:06:49.940 the coalition became somewhat unviable,
00:06:51.580 and the base of the coalition
00:06:53.540 began to get angry.
00:06:55.120 And then a new demographic,
00:06:57.080 a new voter demographic came to exist.
00:06:59.800 This is the demographic
00:07:00.760 that Trump appealed to.
00:07:02.640 And I would say this is the angry disenfranchised.
00:07:07.160 So essentially,
00:07:08.880 the conservative party went from a
00:07:10.820 big business,
00:07:12.380 old money alliance with theocrats
00:07:15.520 to a angry disenfranchised Americans
00:07:18.920 who are just angry
00:07:20.240 at the way the system is working
00:07:21.500 and do not believe
00:07:22.280 that it cares about them at all.
00:07:23.780 Now, this created a huge problem for Trump
00:07:26.620 in his first administration.
00:07:28.200 If you're trying to staff your administration
00:07:30.000 with people who are disenfranchised,
00:07:32.640 well, often they're disenfranchised for a reason
00:07:34.900 and they're really thinking with their emotions.
00:07:36.920 It's not that everyone is,
00:07:38.160 but in the early Trump era,
00:07:39.340 that was to an extent the case.
00:07:40.880 And it made it very hard to build
00:07:42.360 like a cohesive working institution.
00:07:44.960 You need some group of like
00:07:47.020 a large pool of competent,
00:07:49.280 hardworking individuals
00:07:50.400 who are okay with working
00:07:51.960 at least adjacent to bureaucracies
00:07:54.480 to staff something like this.
00:07:56.300 Well, these individuals didn't exist
00:07:57.800 in this early era of Trump.
00:07:59.780 And then something queer happened. 0.82
00:08:04.980 A new conservative faction began to arise.
00:08:08.840 So this is the faction that is called in media
00:08:13.040 often the new right,
00:08:15.060 or that we in previous episodes
00:08:16.620 have called the techno-Republicans.
00:08:18.620 These are individuals like Elon,
00:08:20.540 Peter Thiel,
00:08:21.920 Clemas,
00:08:23.000 Vivek,
00:08:24.160 David Sachs,
00:08:25.540 Marc Andreessen,
00:08:25.780 Andreessen,
00:08:27.000 and J.D. Vance.
00:08:28.480 These individuals typically hated Trump
00:08:31.680 when he first came to power.
00:08:33.760 And then as we've talked about
00:08:35.000 in other episodes,
00:08:36.280 some people like J.D. Vance,
00:08:37.700 but also many other thinkers,
00:08:38.860 they began to bridge the gap
00:08:40.480 with this community.
00:08:41.960 So this community had begun
00:08:43.520 to move against the progressives
00:08:44.920 for two reasons.
00:08:46.080 They saw that progressivism
00:08:47.340 was beginning to become a Nazi cult,
00:08:49.340 as we pointed out before.
00:08:50.420 You know, they value human dignity
00:08:51.680 based on a person's ethnic group
00:08:53.340 with Jews at the bottom. 0.78
00:08:54.360 And when they were like,
00:08:55.800 no, they don't.
00:08:56.520 You know, they literally,
00:08:57.760 so if you look at the National Academy
00:09:00.580 of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine,
00:09:02.440 recommended prioritizing racial minorities
00:09:04.740 for COVID vaccines
00:09:05.700 they sought to save lives.
00:09:07.220 And ACIP of the CDC
00:09:09.080 indicated that it went with this framework
00:09:12.440 when it was deciding.
00:09:13.280 So they were literally
00:09:14.060 not based on a person's medical needs,
00:09:15.980 but based on a person's race.
00:09:18.100 They believed some races
00:09:19.060 were more deserving of human dignity
00:09:20.500 than other races.
00:09:21.700 And you look and they're like,
00:09:22.680 oh, we don't hate Jews.
00:09:24.480 It's just a Zionist. 0.98
00:09:26.320 And then I, you know,
00:09:27.080 you pointed out
00:09:27.740 into a video of a Jewish person,
00:09:29.380 not a Zionist,
00:09:29.880 walking on a college campus
00:09:30.800 and being randomly attacked
00:09:31.880 by a group of progressives.
00:09:33.400 Like, no.
00:09:34.500 You can say you don't feel that way,
00:09:36.440 but that's what's become
00:09:37.380 the mainstream of your party.
00:09:38.940 And then you can look at the, 0.73
00:09:40.260 you know, castration of children
00:09:42.240 that's become more and more rampant.
00:09:44.800 And they're like,
00:09:45.400 oh, we're doing this to save trans kids.
00:09:47.140 But we know from the 2024 study,
00:09:49.300 development of gender non-contentuses
00:09:50.780 during adolescent and early adulthood,
00:09:52.980 that, so this is a 2024,
00:09:54.880 really good longitudinal paper,
00:09:56.560 over nine and 10,
00:09:58.860 11-year-olds who feel discontent
00:10:00.340 with their gender
00:10:00.740 and aren't given
00:10:01.500 the social transition stuff,
00:10:03.200 they end up growing up
00:10:04.980 to be a 23-year-old
00:10:06.400 who is 100% comfortable
00:10:09.940 with their gender,
00:10:10.640 but they're either just gay 0.92
00:10:11.580 or autistic. 0.99
00:10:12.500 Right. 0.70
00:10:12.740 So we're just sterilizing 1.00
00:10:15.120 a portion of autistic and gay kids. 0.99
00:10:17.200 Well, it's not just a portion.
00:10:17.600 It's nine gay and autistic kids 0.89
00:10:19.600 for every one trans kid. 0.99
00:10:21.680 Like, it is insane.
00:10:23.600 And a lot of these,
00:10:25.100 you know,
00:10:25.560 pull yourself up
00:10:26.460 by your bootstraps people
00:10:27.420 then realized,
00:10:28.620 and, you know,
00:10:29.100 this was a message made clear
00:10:30.240 by people like J.D. Vance.
00:10:31.580 And one of our Appalachian viewers
00:10:33.280 sent this to us.
00:10:34.240 They said,
00:10:34.960 Vance is urging
00:10:35.860 the tech elite side
00:10:37.360 to side with,
00:10:39.040 he said first,
00:10:39.800 he said that the tech elite
00:10:41.340 sided with,
00:10:42.740 the liberal elite
00:10:44.420 or the big business owners
00:10:45.580 because they were both
00:10:46.220 elite historically.
00:10:47.020 But I don't actually think
00:10:47.660 these two groups
00:10:48.320 were really ever
00:10:49.060 on the same side
00:10:49.780 for that long.
00:10:50.960 In the era of GOP Inc.,
00:10:52.720 the tech elite
00:10:53.340 were always on
00:10:53.940 the progressive side
00:10:54.860 and the other faction,
00:10:57.020 the big business
00:10:57.860 and blue bloods,
00:10:58.920 they were always
00:10:59.200 on the conservative side.
00:11:00.420 So they're just reorienting things
00:11:02.060 in the way
00:11:02.420 that they naturally reoriented.
00:11:03.720 And it was,
00:11:04.220 you know,
00:11:04.520 Vance is urging
00:11:05.160 the tech elites
00:11:05.700 to side with rural Appalachia
00:11:07.020 because rural Appalachia
00:11:08.020 is scrappy
00:11:08.540 and entrepreneurial.
00:11:09.700 We have a,
00:11:10.520 quote unquote,
00:11:10.860 pull yourself up
00:11:11.440 by your boots mentality
00:11:12.480 that tech entrepreneurs like.
00:11:15.160 And that is true.
00:11:16.700 They actually found
00:11:17.960 a great deal
00:11:19.040 of personal synergy.
00:11:20.260 And as the progressive group
00:11:23.500 began to become
00:11:24.300 more religious,
00:11:25.420 i.e.
00:11:26.060 just believe these things,
00:11:27.420 it doesn't matter
00:11:28.000 what the data says,
00:11:29.000 it doesn't matter
00:11:29.600 what's obvious
00:11:30.220 and real to you.
00:11:31.720 I mean,
00:11:31.880 so you had this switch
00:11:32.820 and this was the core switch
00:11:34.540 that happened
00:11:35.220 during the Trump era
00:11:36.900 or this happened recently
00:11:37.960 is in the 90s
00:11:39.140 it was
00:11:40.100 big business,
00:11:41.040 intergenerational wealth,
00:11:42.060 conservative,
00:11:43.180 tech entrepreneurs,
00:11:44.200 progressive.
00:11:44.940 Now it's tech entrepreneurs,
00:11:46.640 conservative,
00:11:47.880 intergenerational wealth
00:11:48.960 and big money
00:11:49.640 or big business
00:11:50.560 is progressive.
00:11:51.840 And so this switch
00:11:52.720 then explains to me
00:11:53.820 also
00:11:54.280 why GOP Inc.'s
00:11:55.980 remnants
00:11:56.580 are so 0.99
00:11:57.760 damn 0.99
00:11:58.420 communist 1.00
00:11:59.020 because I did not
00:12:00.420 understand this
00:12:01.160 to begin with.
00:12:02.820 GOP Inc.
00:12:03.900 historically
00:12:04.380 had to
00:12:05.300 appease
00:12:06.480 the big business
00:12:07.320 interests.
00:12:08.280 It had to appease
00:12:09.180 it was an alliance
00:12:10.120 between theocrats
00:12:11.300 and big business
00:12:12.280 and intergenerational wealth.
00:12:13.960 And so they had to
00:12:14.540 go for this
00:12:15.860 more capitalistic
00:12:17.300 like approach.
00:12:19.140 When all of that left
00:12:21.120 they no longer
00:12:22.620 needed to appease
00:12:23.560 that faction
00:12:24.140 and that faction
00:12:24.840 left all of their
00:12:26.200 intellectual circles
00:12:28.440 everything like that.
00:12:29.760 And as such
00:12:30.400 they began to think
00:12:31.340 and also
00:12:31.700 they were not
00:12:32.340 the old Calvinists
00:12:33.480 of old,
00:12:34.100 right?
00:12:34.200 Like this is mostly
00:12:35.100 like a Catholic 0.98
00:12:35.740 group these days.
00:12:36.620 Yeah, and there's
00:12:36.900 nothing inherently
00:12:38.040 capitalistic about
00:12:39.320 Catholicism
00:12:40.180 or being a Baptist
00:12:42.560 or being
00:12:43.440 you know
00:12:44.180 an evangelical Christian
00:12:45.340 of like any
00:12:46.160 typical American 0.93
00:12:46.860 sort, right?
00:12:47.800 So
00:12:48.060 Yeah, well it's
00:12:49.240 something that the
00:12:49.840 wokes actually used
00:12:50.660 to chastise them for.
00:12:51.800 Why aren't you
00:12:52.260 feeding the poor
00:12:52.980 if that's what
00:12:53.480 your Jesus guy
00:12:54.120 was all about?
00:12:54.840 Why aren't you
00:12:55.500 helping the
00:12:56.440 disenfranchised?
00:12:57.560 And they've
00:12:58.460 moved to a
00:12:59.340 actually this is
00:13:00.320 what we need to do
00:13:01.300 mindset.
00:13:02.980 But then there's
00:13:03.740 the other
00:13:04.140 filtering mechanism
00:13:05.240 that pushed
00:13:06.260 them into this
00:13:06.840 position.
00:13:07.500 The secondary
00:13:07.860 filtering mechanism
00:13:08.660 that pushed
00:13:09.040 them into this
00:13:09.480 position is
00:13:10.620 these are
00:13:11.280 individuals who
00:13:12.080 have spent
00:13:12.400 their entire
00:13:13.140 adult careers
00:13:14.160 working within
00:13:14.900 bureaucracies.
00:13:16.440 Conservatives
00:13:16.880 that don't have
00:13:17.740 a socialist
00:13:18.220 bent to them
00:13:18.860 or a pro-bureaucracy
00:13:19.880 bent to them
00:13:20.380 are not going to
00:13:21.020 be able to
00:13:21.420 maintain those
00:13:22.000 positions their
00:13:22.640 entire lives.
00:13:23.580 Ah, so yeah,
00:13:24.080 just the ones
00:13:24.480 who survived
00:13:25.120 in the same
00:13:26.700 establishment
00:13:27.400 long enough
00:13:28.100 are going to
00:13:28.740 be inherently
00:13:29.280 bureaucratic.
00:13:30.040 Absolutely.
00:13:32.380 I bet.
00:13:32.880 Huh.
00:13:33.320 Okay.
00:13:33.760 And so that's
00:13:34.620 what caused
00:13:35.260 this transformation.
00:13:36.780 But there
00:13:37.760 is a secondary
00:13:38.940 thing at play
00:13:39.580 here.
00:13:40.000 Well, first I
00:13:40.460 want to hear
00:13:40.700 your thoughts
00:13:41.180 on this
00:13:41.800 first bit
00:13:42.700 here.
00:13:45.820 This makes
00:13:46.460 a lot of
00:13:46.740 sense.
00:13:47.000 It was always
00:13:49.420 confusing to me
00:13:50.400 that I always
00:13:53.000 saw conservatives
00:13:55.000 as being let
00:13:57.700 markets make
00:13:58.820 a solution,
00:13:59.760 right?
00:14:00.120 Let business
00:14:00.960 do business
00:14:01.860 and, you
00:14:04.060 know, less
00:14:04.540 government is
00:14:05.220 good.
00:14:05.640 And then to
00:14:06.300 show up at
00:14:06.780 NatCon this
00:14:08.040 year and hear
00:14:09.600 people there
00:14:10.280 say, oh, no,
00:14:11.520 bureaucracy is
00:14:12.280 good.
00:14:12.820 I just want it
00:14:13.500 to be more
00:14:14.740 Christian or,
00:14:16.660 you know. 1.00
00:14:17.280 Well, fuck the 1.00
00:14:18.060 base was one of 1.00
00:14:18.680 the things they
00:14:19.120 said.
00:14:19.460 Yeah.
00:14:20.280 Or let's ban
00:14:21.400 pornography or
00:14:22.300 let's, you know, 0.81
00:14:23.080 like all these
00:14:23.480 sort of
00:14:23.660 big government
00:14:26.020 good as long
00:14:27.180 as it's run
00:14:27.800 by us.
00:14:28.660 kind of
00:14:29.200 mindsets
00:14:30.180 really blew
00:14:32.020 my mind.
00:14:32.980 And this
00:14:33.320 free market
00:14:33.780 approach was
00:14:34.880 gone.
00:14:35.440 I also thought
00:14:36.260 that cultural
00:14:36.840 sovereignty was
00:14:37.940 universal across
00:14:39.740 all conservatives.
00:14:40.840 You know,
00:14:41.000 basically don't
00:14:41.660 tell me how to
00:14:42.140 live my life.
00:14:42.600 Like I want to
00:14:43.040 practice my
00:14:43.520 religious freedom
00:14:44.160 and therefore,
00:14:45.920 you know, we
00:14:46.740 should all be
00:14:47.260 fighting for
00:14:47.740 that.
00:14:48.520 The fact that
00:14:49.380 conservatives,
00:14:52.140 despite the fact
00:14:52.960 that really all
00:14:53.540 they should be
00:14:54.080 fighting for right
00:14:54.680 now, like they
00:14:55.240 should, before
00:14:56.520 getting to be
00:14:57.620 coercive, to
00:14:59.300 impose your
00:14:59.940 culture on
00:15:00.520 other people,
00:15:01.100 even if that
00:15:01.560 is your
00:15:01.880 ultimate plan.
00:15:03.000 It's so
00:15:03.800 bizarre to me
00:15:04.680 that they're
00:15:05.480 not first
00:15:06.000 saying, okay,
00:15:06.580 just let me do
00:15:07.260 my thing instead
00:15:08.200 of forcing me to
00:15:09.080 do your thing.
00:15:09.940 They're just
00:15:10.400 immediately, no,
00:15:11.140 you're going to
00:15:11.440 do my thing,
00:15:12.260 which is also
00:15:13.140 bizarre to me.
00:15:13.940 I would expect
00:15:14.460 them to first
00:15:15.120 try to get to
00:15:16.080 a neutral point
00:15:16.980 before they go
00:15:17.580 to the other
00:15:18.120 extreme from
00:15:19.460 being forced to
00:15:20.360 forcing.
00:15:21.420 So, yeah, I
00:15:22.400 didn't understand
00:15:23.280 that.
00:15:23.620 And now that
00:15:24.140 you're showing
00:15:24.580 me how
00:15:24.940 there's factions
00:15:25.920 forming, and
00:15:27.320 also that Trump
00:15:29.180 has chosen a
00:15:29.780 faction that's
00:15:30.340 not GOP, Inc.,
00:15:31.500 I'm quite
00:15:32.160 heartened.
00:15:33.120 Yes.
00:15:33.480 So, now I
00:15:35.200 need to read
00:15:35.740 to you, because
00:15:36.200 I found this
00:15:37.020 fascinating.
00:15:38.680 I decided to
00:15:39.360 bring some
00:15:39.920 questions to
00:15:40.480 AI to see if
00:15:41.420 it's just me
00:15:43.300 who's thinking
00:15:43.740 this.
00:15:44.080 Am I imagining
00:15:44.700 something?
00:15:45.200 Is there really
00:15:45.800 a new faction
00:15:46.460 of conservatism?
00:15:47.440 What do they
00:15:47.800 care about?
00:15:49.400 So, I went
00:15:50.360 to Perplexity,
00:15:51.420 and I asked,
00:15:52.040 I am trying
00:15:53.120 to name a
00:15:53.720 growing faction
00:15:54.300 of conservatives
00:15:54.920 that includes
00:15:55.560 voices like
00:15:56.200 Elon, Peter
00:15:57.360 Thiel, Chamath,
00:15:59.280 and Vivek
00:15:59.900 Ramaswamy.
00:16:00.920 Who else would
00:16:01.540 you put in
00:16:01.880 this group?
00:16:02.800 This growing
00:16:03.420 faction of
00:16:03.900 conservatives
00:16:04.320 you're referring
00:16:04.940 to is often
00:16:05.600 called the
00:16:06.060 New Right
00:16:06.560 or the
00:16:06.960 Silicon Valley
00:16:07.500 Right.
00:16:08.120 It includes
00:16:08.600 tech entrepreneurs,
00:16:09.520 venture capitalists,
00:16:10.220 and business
00:16:10.640 leaders who
00:16:11.380 have shifted
00:16:11.720 towards more
00:16:12.260 conservative
00:16:12.580 right-wing
00:16:13.000 views.
00:16:14.000 Based on the
00:16:14.640 search results
00:16:15.260 and additional
00:16:15.740 context, here
00:16:16.760 are some key
00:16:17.300 figures that
00:16:17.780 should be
00:16:18.060 considered part
00:16:18.620 of this group.
00:16:19.240 Elon Musk,
00:16:19.900 Peter Thiel,
00:16:20.760 Chamath,
00:16:21.260 Vivek Ramaswamy,
00:16:22.940 David Sachs,
00:16:23.960 J.D.
00:16:24.260 Vance.
00:16:24.620 So you
00:16:24.820 notice it
00:16:25.240 unprompted
00:16:25.920 included J.D.
00:16:26.700 Vance in
00:16:27.500 this group.
00:16:28.220 Yeah, that's
00:16:28.560 interesting.
00:16:29.600 So it's not
00:16:30.260 just me who's
00:16:30.880 saying J.D.
00:16:31.380 is in
00:16:31.600 this group.
00:16:32.220 It's I
00:16:32.680 prime, an
00:16:33.420 AI was this,
00:16:34.060 and it's like,
00:16:34.580 yeah, he's
00:16:35.340 part of this
00:16:35.840 new right.
00:16:36.680 And Mark
00:16:37.020 Andreessen.
00:16:37.400 This group
00:16:39.620 has a few
00:16:40.000 common traits.
00:16:40.560 Then it
00:16:40.800 goes into
00:16:41.140 their Silicon
00:16:42.600 Valley background
00:16:43.300 and everything
00:16:43.720 like that.
00:16:44.220 But then I
00:16:45.320 thought something
00:16:46.080 else was
00:16:47.100 really interesting.
00:16:48.020 So I did
00:16:48.500 a follow-up
00:16:49.480 where I said,
00:16:49.920 what are
00:16:50.080 common policy
00:16:50.760 positions they
00:16:51.560 push? 0.56
00:16:53.120 And it
00:16:53.300 said, because
00:16:54.840 I thought this
00:16:55.260 was an
00:16:55.560 interesting
00:16:55.920 summary, the
00:16:56.700 new right or
00:16:57.240 Silicon Valley
00:16:57.780 right, which
00:16:58.220 includes figures
00:16:58.840 like Elon
00:16:59.300 Musk, Peter
00:16:59.920 Thiel, Chamath
00:17:00.660 Palsa, and
00:17:01.460 Vivek Ramaswamy,
00:17:02.580 shares several
00:17:03.240 common policy
00:17:03.800 positions.
00:17:04.180 These include
00:17:04.660 economic
00:17:05.160 libertarianism.
00:17:06.600 They advocate
00:17:06.900 for free
00:17:07.360 market principles,
00:17:08.320 reduced government
00:17:08.860 intervention in
00:17:09.500 the economy, and
00:17:10.200 deregulation.
00:17:11.360 Sounds good to
00:17:11.880 me.
00:17:12.560 This is what I
00:17:13.880 thought conservatism
00:17:15.180 was.
00:17:15.820 This is so
00:17:16.340 weird.
00:17:16.960 Which emphasizes
00:17:17.760 individual freedom
00:17:18.600 and responsibility
00:17:19.300 and minimum
00:17:20.100 state intervention
00:17:20.780 in economic
00:17:21.280 affairs.
00:17:22.180 Cultural
00:17:22.500 conservatism.
00:17:23.260 This group
00:17:23.520 often holds
00:17:24.240 socially
00:17:24.640 conservative
00:17:24.980 views, including
00:17:25.800 a commitment
00:17:26.700 to traditional
00:17:27.380 values and
00:17:28.060 public morality.
00:17:28.720 They tend to
00:17:29.400 oppose progressive
00:17:30.120 cultural movements
00:17:30.840 and emphasize the
00:17:31.780 importance of
00:17:32.320 maintaining cultural
00:17:33.060 norms and
00:17:34.000 traditions.
00:17:34.440 skepticism of
00:17:36.000 elite institutions.
00:17:37.280 There is a
00:17:37.720 strong distrust
00:17:38.620 of established
00:17:39.400 elites and
00:17:40.060 mainstream
00:17:40.360 institutions, such
00:17:41.320 as media,
00:17:41.840 academia, and
00:17:42.500 government agencies.
00:17:43.760 This skepticism is
00:17:44.520 rooted in the
00:17:44.960 belief that these
00:17:45.460 institutions are
00:17:46.100 dominated by
00:17:46.560 leftist ideologies
00:17:47.420 that seek to
00:17:48.220 undermine conservative
00:17:49.000 values and
00:17:49.640 policies.
00:17:50.300 So far, you're
00:17:50.780 like, oh, this
00:17:51.480 is like 100%
00:17:52.600 us.
00:17:55.180 Nationalism and
00:17:55.840 populism.
00:17:57.340 They often
00:17:58.040 support nationalist
00:17:58.900 policies that
00:17:59.680 prioritize the
00:18:00.460 interests of their
00:18:01.100 own country over
00:18:01.940 globalist agendas.
00:18:02.860 This includes a
00:18:04.740 focus on
00:18:05.160 America First
00:18:05.780 policies and a
00:18:07.300 resistance to
00:18:07.920 international
00:18:08.480 agreements that
00:18:09.480 they perceive to
00:18:10.280 undermine national
00:18:11.040 sovereignty.
00:18:11.980 Free speech and
00:18:12.500 anti-censorship.
00:18:13.640 A significant
00:18:14.280 policy position is a
00:18:15.380 defense of free
00:18:15.900 speech and
00:18:16.360 opposition to
00:18:17.600 what they see as
00:18:18.480 censorship by tech
00:18:19.280 platforms and
00:18:20.040 other institutions.
00:18:21.320 They argue that
00:18:22.100 current policies
00:18:22.940 disproportionately
00:18:23.560 silence conservative
00:18:24.820 voices.
00:18:26.160 A critique of
00:18:27.000 woke culture.
00:18:28.280 They are vocal
00:18:28.960 critics of woke
00:18:29.820 culture and
00:18:30.420 identity politics,
00:18:31.380 which they
00:18:32.120 believe stifles
00:18:33.000 free expression
00:18:33.620 and promotes
00:18:34.200 division.
00:18:35.060 This includes
00:18:35.660 opposition to
00:18:36.400 affirmative action
00:18:37.180 and other
00:18:37.960 policies they
00:18:38.720 view as
00:18:39.080 promoting social
00:18:39.760 justice at the
00:18:40.520 expense of a
00:18:41.340 meritocracy.
00:18:42.880 Exactly us!
00:18:44.660 I would say
00:18:45.180 it's us except
00:18:46.260 for when it
00:18:46.820 comes to social
00:18:47.540 policy.
00:18:48.180 I would say
00:18:48.580 that we take
00:18:49.000 a much more
00:18:49.480 free market or
00:18:50.260 libertarian
00:18:50.820 approach to
00:18:51.440 social policy,
00:18:52.180 which isn't to
00:18:52.600 say that we 0.99
00:18:52.960 don't shit all 0.99
00:18:54.480 over and 0.99
00:18:54.860 criticize certain
00:18:55.820 social approaches,
00:18:56.860 but we take it
00:18:57.600 more from a, 1.00
00:18:58.800 well, they suck and 1.00
00:18:59.940 they're going to 1.00
00:19:00.340 disappear.
00:19:00.740 Like they're
00:19:01.160 going to fail.
00:19:02.480 We've talked
00:19:03.340 about creating
00:19:04.080 government departments
00:19:04.880 that fund episodes
00:19:06.140 of shows like they
00:19:07.060 did in the 70s about
00:19:08.300 like anti-drug shows.
00:19:09.820 Like porn at
00:19:10.440 films.
00:19:11.760 So no, we're
00:19:14.100 totally in that.
00:19:14.880 We promote the
00:19:15.580 idea of the
00:19:16.960 government intervening
00:19:17.920 in companies that
00:19:18.680 own the medium of
00:19:19.580 communication in the
00:19:20.900 same way the
00:19:21.440 United States
00:19:21.820 government used to
00:19:22.420 nationalize things
00:19:23.080 like the Postal
00:19:23.620 Service and create
00:19:24.500 really heavy
00:19:25.100 regulations around
00:19:26.060 things like
00:19:26.360 telephone lines,
00:19:27.480 and yet we don't
00:19:28.120 have that around
00:19:29.140 things like the
00:19:30.000 companies like
00:19:30.900 YouTube, for
00:19:31.500 example, that
00:19:32.020 might censor what
00:19:32.680 you and I are
00:19:33.140 saying to each
00:19:33.700 other.
00:19:33.940 I agree with you
00:19:34.380 on that, where I
00:19:35.460 would draw the line
00:19:36.500 with our policies
00:19:37.340 though, is coercive
00:19:38.320 tactics, like saying
00:19:39.300 this is...
00:19:40.100 It's saying that
00:19:40.900 this group doesn't
00:19:41.460 do that, so it's
00:19:42.140 not relevant.
00:19:43.080 Anyway, so next.
00:19:43.960 I don't know.
00:19:44.380 I mean, where I
00:19:45.240 will, like, you
00:19:46.120 know, J.D.
00:19:46.600 Vance is...
00:19:47.600 J.D.
00:19:48.080 Vance is really on
00:19:49.000 the edge of this
00:19:49.620 group.
00:19:49.880 He's got a foot in
00:19:50.760 both communities, but
00:19:52.240 he speaks to this
00:19:53.360 group and he is
00:19:54.120 adjacent to this
00:19:55.060 group, but I
00:19:55.940 wouldn't call him an
00:19:57.140 avatar of this
00:19:58.040 group.
00:19:58.240 If you're looking
00:19:58.980 for an avatar of
00:19:59.780 this group, you're
00:20:00.200 looking for someone
00:20:00.680 like Elon Musk.
00:20:02.160 In the same way
00:20:02.940 that Peter Thiel
00:20:03.580 built his political
00:20:04.540 opinion sort of
00:20:05.340 before this group
00:20:06.240 existed, and he's
00:20:07.460 also been an
00:20:08.040 influence of J.D.
00:20:08.720 Vance, which has
00:20:09.220 influenced him with
00:20:09.800 a lot of mysticism,
00:20:11.020 which is why people
00:20:11.980 like James Lindsay
00:20:13.140 freaked out when J.D.
00:20:14.200 Vance was admitted
00:20:15.220 because he sees a
00:20:16.200 lot of J.D.
00:20:16.600 Vance's mysticism
00:20:17.400 that came from some
00:20:19.020 of the influencers of
00:20:19.920 Peter Thiel and will
00:20:20.600 likely do a different
00:20:21.220 episode of that.
00:20:22.160 I'm not as worried
00:20:22.940 about that.
00:20:24.000 You know, I think
00:20:24.840 that, and this is
00:20:26.280 a fresh take that
00:20:27.060 you're going to
00:20:27.340 hear to hear, but
00:20:28.240 while I support
00:20:29.100 Trump and J.D.
00:20:30.020 Vance, I do
00:20:31.100 believe that God
00:20:32.200 gives man signs, and
00:20:34.400 when I see a group
00:20:35.080 of people walking
00:20:35.780 around in red hats
00:20:36.640 that say witch on
00:20:37.400 them, I'm like,
00:20:38.560 eventually these
00:20:39.360 people are going to
00:20:39.960 be our enemies, and 0.80
00:20:40.760 we need to take that
00:20:41.640 into consideration.
00:20:42.760 For people who do
00:20:43.740 not know, MAGA is
00:20:45.540 the feminine version 1.00
00:20:46.360 of MAGO.
00:20:47.600 You know, when you
00:20:47.980 read the Bible, like
00:20:48.940 Simon of MAGOS, i.e.
00:20:51.040 Simon the sorcerer,
00:20:52.560 it means a female 0.95
00:20:53.680 sorcerer, i.e.
00:20:55.280 a witch.
00:20:56.100 The Bible tells us
00:20:57.280 do not, it tells
00:20:59.440 us to be wary of
00:21:00.580 witches, and so
00:21:01.620 when a group of 0.54
00:21:02.140 people come to, I
00:21:03.100 just think that God
00:21:03.960 makes these things
00:21:04.580 obvious.
00:21:04.960 It's weird how
00:21:06.220 freaking obvious
00:21:07.360 sometimes that God
00:21:08.600 makes his will, and
00:21:09.780 I think that this is
00:21:10.500 one of those
00:21:10.880 instances where we
00:21:12.100 just haven't had to
00:21:13.260 deal with it yet.
00:21:14.460 Right now they are
00:21:15.500 on our side, but God
00:21:17.620 has told us to not
00:21:19.760 overcast our chips.
00:21:20.900 Okay?
00:21:23.560 What, you disagree or
00:21:25.020 you feel uncomfortable
00:21:25.820 with the fact that
00:21:26.600 there is a group of
00:21:27.360 that's a weird thing,
00:21:29.080 right?
00:21:29.320 That's gotta be weird
00:21:30.300 to you.
00:21:30.820 It's red hats that
00:21:33.460 say witch on them.
00:21:35.180 Make America great
00:21:37.280 again.
00:21:39.700 That's a weird phrase.
00:21:41.440 It's a weird, it's
00:21:42.320 weird that they
00:21:43.180 shortened it, and it's
00:21:44.240 weird that it says
00:21:45.380 witch.
00:21:45.820 Not really.
00:21:48.960 Maybe I'm too
00:21:50.200 autistic to get it. 0.99
00:21:51.300 You're schizoid enough 1.00
00:21:52.280 to get it. 0.96
00:21:53.200 You know what I mean?
00:21:53.880 I'm schizoid enough
00:21:55.060 to be, you're like,
00:21:55.920 yeah, it's a group of
00:21:56.840 people who wear red
00:21:58.180 hats that say witch.
00:22:00.000 I don't say witch.
00:22:01.580 They say MAGA.
00:22:02.620 It's witch in Latin, 0.97
00:22:04.900 sweetheart.
00:22:07.560 It's loud.
00:22:09.720 Define MAGA.
00:22:11.260 Google.
00:22:11.540 Type in what does
00:22:12.600 MAGA mean in Latin?
00:22:14.100 The language of the
00:22:14.920 church.
00:22:15.240 Okay, Latin.
00:22:16.440 Fine.
00:22:17.020 Because, yeah, because
00:22:17.700 everyone's still doing
00:22:18.520 mass.
00:22:19.140 I'm not choosing some
00:22:20.220 obscure language here,
00:22:21.340 Simone.
00:22:21.960 Wizard, sorcerer, 0.99
00:22:23.160 poisoner, poisonous,
00:22:24.340 magical, magus, noun,
00:22:25.980 adjective.
00:22:29.840 I'm just saying, it's
00:22:31.120 not like I'm choosing
00:22:32.160 like schizoid or
00:22:33.960 something.
00:22:34.500 Schizoid, schizoid,
00:22:35.460 schizoid.
00:22:35.920 Latin, the language of
00:22:36.980 the church.
00:22:37.840 Sorry.
00:22:38.260 I just gotta be like,
00:22:39.400 anyway, so I'll go
00:22:40.140 further here.
00:22:40.840 What does it say after
00:22:41.500 that?
00:22:42.160 It says that they use
00:22:43.680 the use of government
00:22:45.180 to counter leftist
00:22:46.040 influence.
00:22:46.500 Unlike classical
00:22:47.500 liberals who believe in
00:22:48.760 limiting government
00:22:49.260 power, the new right
00:22:50.100 advocates for using
00:22:51.240 government power
00:22:52.040 strategically to
00:22:53.140 counteract what they
00:22:54.200 see as overreach of
00:22:55.420 the left in cultural
00:22:56.320 institutions and
00:22:57.260 spheres.
00:22:58.100 These positions reflect a
00:22:59.560 blend of economic
00:23:00.540 liberalism and cultural
00:23:01.580 conservatism, aiming to
00:23:03.320 reshape the political
00:23:04.440 landscape by challenging
00:23:05.600 both traditional,
00:23:06.680 conservative, and liberal
00:23:07.760 paradigms.
00:23:08.480 And I looked at this
00:23:10.180 and I was like, wow,
00:23:10.700 this is a weird
00:23:11.740 coalition of political
00:23:13.720 beliefs that I thought
00:23:15.040 you and I had come up
00:23:16.280 with on our own.
00:23:17.480 But it's like, no,
00:23:18.500 like this is, or not
00:23:19.940 come up with on our own,
00:23:20.940 but like I thought that
00:23:21.860 our political position was
00:23:23.160 more unique than I think
00:23:24.480 it really is.
00:23:25.580 I think it's a reflection
00:23:27.240 of a mainstream and
00:23:29.180 growing faction of the
00:23:30.480 conservative party and
00:23:31.840 one that has to an
00:23:32.800 extent just been knighted
00:23:34.200 by Trump.
00:23:34.780 But I'm wondering your
00:23:36.920 thoughts on this.
00:23:38.240 Yeah, I think it's a
00:23:39.000 good sign that we're
00:23:41.160 converging on something
00:23:42.300 similar because it
00:23:43.240 implies that it is a
00:23:45.920 natural and logical
00:23:46.940 reaction to where we are
00:23:48.380 as a society, economy,
00:23:49.940 and government.
00:23:50.840 It's a good thing.
00:23:52.220 It's a good sign.
00:23:53.760 And I'm glad to know
00:23:55.240 that we're not alone.
00:23:56.480 But I'm also disturbed to
00:23:57.880 know that this wasn't the
00:23:58.700 norm because I have that
00:24:00.920 same bias that most people
00:24:02.120 do, which is you assume
00:24:03.640 that if someone is
00:24:04.760 nice and reasonable and
00:24:07.120 they seem intelligent,
00:24:07.940 that they hold the same
00:24:08.840 views as you and going
00:24:10.040 to NatCon and seeing
00:24:11.120 that, oh, actually the
00:24:13.360 establishment of
00:24:14.860 Republicans, which are
00:24:16.060 nice, wonderful, smart
00:24:17.140 people that I like.
00:24:18.100 If so, of course, I
00:24:18.900 assume that they're
00:24:19.460 going to they're going
00:24:19.940 to hold up the same
00:24:20.540 stances as we are
00:24:21.700 really don't.
00:24:23.260 And they're part of
00:24:23.720 this old faction, which
00:24:24.700 is largely socialist,
00:24:25.840 which is quite socially
00:24:26.640 coercive, you know, that
00:24:27.620 wants to ban porn that
00:24:29.300 wants to do all the I
00:24:30.480 mean, they also want to
00:24:31.500 do some other things like
00:24:32.380 in Project 2025, led by
00:24:34.660 the Heritage Foundation,
00:24:35.360 which is definitely of
00:24:36.260 the old guard, but seems
00:24:37.980 curious about the new
00:24:38.860 guard.
00:24:39.120 So that's good.
00:24:39.580 It looks like it could
00:24:39.940 update.
00:24:40.380 Yeah.
00:24:40.740 Yeah.
00:24:40.940 It looks like it could
00:24:41.540 update.
00:24:42.260 But, you know, like there
00:24:43.220 are some things that seem
00:24:44.360 more in line with new
00:24:45.440 stuff, you know, like sort
00:24:46.360 of breaking out a lot of
00:24:48.460 ossified bureaucracy seems
00:24:50.240 to be a part of it.
00:24:51.120 But then also these, you
00:24:52.420 know, more coercive or
00:24:53.660 very conservative, socially
00:24:55.700 conservative tactics.
00:24:56.940 I don't know.
00:24:57.700 I mean, Trump has been
00:24:58.740 very clear about where he
00:25:00.060 stands on this.
00:25:00.780 So, you know, if you
00:25:01.860 look at like how do you
00:25:03.540 merge these two groups
00:25:05.100 because there are, i.e.
00:25:07.000 the tech entrepreneur
00:25:08.300 group and the, you know,
00:25:10.600 angry disenfranchised
00:25:12.100 group.
00:25:12.480 Right.
00:25:13.160 Because there are a few
00:25:14.080 areas where they're going
00:25:15.200 to chafe with each other.
00:25:17.100 Right.
00:25:17.480 Yeah.
00:25:17.620 And Trump has done it.
00:25:20.380 So, for example, the new
00:25:22.060 Republicans are generally
00:25:24.140 pro-gay people being able
00:25:25.300 to live their lives.
00:25:26.220 They're even pro-adult
00:25:27.620 trans people, but they are 1.00
00:25:29.160 very antagonistic.
00:25:30.280 For example, as JDS2
00:25:31.780 programs that try to
00:25:32.940 transition children or that
00:25:34.660 try to convince or really
00:25:36.620 brainwash children into this
00:25:37.920 weird gender ideology cult
00:25:40.240 thing that we've talked
00:25:41.180 about in other episodes.
00:25:42.680 And where I say that, you
00:25:43.680 know, like a cult basically
00:25:45.740 grew under trans ideology.
00:25:47.160 And I think that most of
00:25:47.900 the new Republicans realize
00:25:48.940 that and they're very scared
00:25:50.660 by that.
00:25:51.120 The clue that is the holy
00:25:52.360 guide to living pure.
00:25:53.800 This will help explain.
00:25:55.520 First.
00:26:02.020 Her name's Lorraine, too? 1.00
00:26:04.000 We're all Lorraine.
00:26:05.480 And you will be Todd.
00:26:07.260 A name chosen especially
00:26:09.440 for you.
00:26:10.340 Oh, you're an oppressed
00:26:12.420 minority. 0.95
00:26:13.480 You're a cult.
00:26:17.960 Excuse me.
00:26:18.560 Are y'all with the cult?
00:26:19.980 We're not a cult.
00:26:21.300 We're an organization that
00:26:22.500 promotes love.
00:26:23.520 Yeah, this is it.
00:26:24.300 So I want to read something
00:26:25.560 from Richard Hanania.
00:26:26.960 He tweeted this.
00:26:28.220 So he said, Trump personally
00:26:29.820 dictated the new RNC language
00:26:31.500 on abortion and gay marriage,
00:26:32.800 which are, I think, the two
00:26:33.920 issues where these two groups
00:26:35.740 need to be able to synergize,
00:26:37.780 i.e.
00:26:38.280 The tech elite are okay with
00:26:40.080 being more restrictive on
00:26:41.000 these things.
00:26:42.060 And the disenfranchised 0.52
00:26:43.340 Americans often want to go on 1.00
00:26:45.040 absolute positions towards
00:26:46.200 these things, or there's a
00:26:47.340 small faction of them that
00:26:48.300 does, that is really loud.
00:26:50.460 Actually, I wouldn't even say
00:26:51.180 the rural disenfranchised
00:26:52.440 group doesn't care about
00:26:53.140 these things.
00:26:53.620 The group that cares about
00:26:54.540 these things is GOP, Inc.
00:26:56.020 And Trump is trying to keep
00:26:57.540 enough of GOP, Inc., was
00:26:58.960 basically telling them to 1.00
00:27:00.120 fuck off. 1.00
00:27:00.740 He has to. 1.00
00:27:01.980 I mean, it's still a
00:27:02.860 significant contingent.
00:27:04.780 Well, it's a significant
00:27:05.560 contingent of funding.
00:27:07.040 But it's not, you know, as
00:27:08.520 voters, it's not the future
00:27:10.180 of the party.
00:27:11.120 No.
00:27:12.120 And so what is Trump doing
00:27:14.040 here?
00:27:14.320 So I'll read what Richard
00:27:15.200 Hanania said.
00:27:16.160 Trump personally dictated
00:27:18.140 the new RNC language on
00:27:20.180 abortion and gay marriage.
00:27:21.360 His team put the delegates
00:27:23.040 in a room, took their
00:27:24.300 phones, and Trump said,
00:27:25.840 you're going to pass this
00:27:26.880 and you're going to do it
00:27:27.940 quickly.
00:27:28.780 Night of long knives for
00:27:30.740 social conservatives is what
00:27:32.580 it was called.
00:27:33.320 And then he showed
00:27:34.320 something from a paper that
00:27:36.060 had come out on this or
00:27:36.980 an announcement about
00:27:37.880 this.
00:27:38.560 Mr. Trump made clear to
00:27:39.780 his team that he wanted
00:27:40.940 the 2024 platform to be
00:27:42.980 his and his alone.
00:27:44.180 He wanted it to be much
00:27:45.120 shorter and simpler, and
00:27:46.580 in some cases, vaguer.
00:27:48.000 He was especially focused
00:27:49.360 on the language about
00:27:50.260 abortion, which he
00:27:51.440 recognized as a
00:27:52.180 potentially potent issue
00:27:53.500 against him in a
00:27:54.980 general election.
00:27:55.880 He wanted nothing in the
00:27:57.840 platform that would give
00:27:58.680 Democrats an opening to
00:27:59.980 attack him.
00:28:00.660 And he made clear to his
00:28:02.040 aides that he was
00:28:02.820 perfectly fine with
00:28:04.260 bucking social
00:28:05.020 conservatives, for whom
00:28:06.420 he had delivered a
00:28:07.380 tremendous victory by
00:28:08.680 reshaping the Supreme
00:28:09.840 Court with a conservative
00:28:10.860 supermajority.
00:28:12.460 Fair.
00:28:13.940 Mr. Trump also
00:28:15.120 stressed that he did not
00:28:17.300 want to define marriage as
00:28:18.880 between one man and one
00:28:19.940 woman.
00:28:20.620 Instead, the document
00:28:21.600 contains a vague statement
00:28:23.380 open to interpretation.
00:28:25.240 Quote, Republicans will
00:28:26.320 promote a culture that
00:28:27.560 values the sanctity of
00:28:29.120 marriage.
00:28:29.680 End quote.
00:28:30.080 He could not be
00:28:32.080 throwing in harder with
00:28:33.340 the new Republicans and
00:28:34.540 against GOP Inc.
00:28:35.680 if he tried.
00:28:36.940 These are issues that
00:28:37.940 don't matter to the
00:28:39.140 world disenfranchised that
00:28:40.420 much.
00:28:40.840 OK, so so so he's
00:28:42.720 choosing a side between
00:28:44.180 GOP Inc.
00:28:45.540 and new Republicans.
00:28:46.740 He's saying or and the
00:28:48.460 new right or tech
00:28:50.180 conservative, techno
00:28:51.020 conservative, as we call
00:28:52.320 them sometimes.
00:28:52.760 And he's saying it's the
00:28:54.260 new right.
00:28:55.320 That's who I'm with.
00:28:56.680 And I think it's
00:28:57.760 incredibly true.
00:28:58.800 Yeah.
00:29:00.680 But do you have any
00:29:01.560 further thoughts here?
00:29:03.460 Well, what does this
00:29:04.360 mean for the longer term
00:29:05.500 future of the party,
00:29:07.520 especially if Trump
00:29:09.360 wins, having made this
00:29:11.240 tone setting decision?
00:29:12.420 Well, it means that he's
00:29:13.660 sane and he's aware of
00:29:14.760 what the base actually
00:29:15.740 wants.
00:29:16.560 So according to
00:29:18.360 especially the young base,
00:29:19.740 according to Pew in
00:29:20.580 2014, 61 percent of
00:29:23.100 Republicans under 30
00:29:24.140 favored same sex marriage,
00:29:25.360 while only 35 percent
00:29:26.800 opposed it.
00:29:27.360 It's an incredibly
00:29:28.020 unpopular opinion.
00:29:29.420 Gallup poll from
00:29:30.460 2021 showed that
00:29:31.660 55 percent of
00:29:32.740 Republicans overall,
00:29:33.820 since overall, not just
00:29:34.780 young Republicans,
00:29:35.860 supported same sex
00:29:36.720 marriage.
00:29:37.080 It's the majority 0.99
00:29:37.800 opinion in the
00:29:38.540 Republican Party.
00:29:39.520 In 2015, 63 percent
00:29:41.800 of Republicans under
00:29:42.700 30 supported
00:29:43.740 protecting LGBT
00:29:44.780 individuals from
00:29:45.680 discrimination.
00:29:46.700 So again, the
00:29:47.560 majority when you're
00:29:48.440 talking about young
00:29:48.920 conservatives are pro
00:29:50.460 that.
00:29:51.200 And then if you look
00:29:51.760 at Pew, nearly half of
00:29:53.260 Republicans younger than 0.53
00:29:54.080 30 say that abortion 0.99
00:29:55.220 should be legal in
00:29:56.100 all or most cases.
00:29:58.860 So this is far to the
00:30:00.700 left of our opinions on
00:30:01.860 abortion, 47 percent.
00:30:03.880 And so this is the next
00:30:04.760 generation.
00:30:05.380 And then you can say,
00:30:05.920 well, what about like the
00:30:06.740 mainstream conservatives?
00:30:07.820 I put a graph on screen
00:30:08.860 here.
00:30:09.480 It shows that 64 percent
00:30:11.860 do not take this life
00:30:13.380 begins at conception
00:30:14.180 mindset.
00:30:14.940 They want to, you know,
00:30:16.620 restrict abortion, but
00:30:17.980 they still want it to be
00:30:19.420 accessible.
00:30:19.840 I think J.D.
00:30:20.940 Vance's public initial
00:30:22.420 point on this, the 12
00:30:24.140 week position, actually
00:30:25.840 falls in line with what
00:30:26.700 a lot of Europe thinks
00:30:27.520 on this point and
00:30:28.680 probably what we'd agree
00:30:29.500 with.
00:30:29.740 I think 12 weeks are
00:30:30.700 pretty good.
00:30:31.420 It's interestingly, it's
00:30:32.660 also around where Islam
00:30:34.320 believed the
00:30:35.080 insolument happens and
00:30:36.540 it's not that far from
00:30:37.560 early Catholic thinkers on
00:30:38.980 when insolument happens.
00:30:40.360 So I find that pretty
00:30:41.760 interesting.
00:30:42.840 And it also,
00:30:43.800 interestingly, I find
00:30:44.700 this really interestingly
00:30:45.560 is that if you correlate
00:30:46.720 the early Catholic thinkers
00:30:47.820 with what we actually know
00:30:48.840 about the science and
00:30:49.560 we'll get more into
00:30:50.340 like abortion stuff in a 0.99
00:30:52.220 different episode, it
00:30:53.420 correlates was when the
00:30:54.340 nervous system begins
00:30:55.300 developing.
00:30:55.980 So I think that, you
00:30:57.020 know, when the church
00:30:57.680 was still in communion
00:30:59.240 with God, it understood
00:31:00.660 God's will in regards to
00:31:01.880 this, because that's
00:31:02.440 actually kind of remarkable
00:31:03.520 that they sort of guessed
00:31:05.600 when the nervous system
00:31:07.000 started developing without
00:31:08.520 any knowledge of that.
00:31:10.080 But anyway, that's like
00:31:11.020 our religious, I'm going
00:31:11.880 to take that aside.
00:31:12.900 But what I'm saying is if
00:31:14.040 you're like, what's the
00:31:15.320 consequence of him
00:31:16.600 outlying himself with
00:31:17.420 this faction?
00:31:17.780 He's allying himself
00:31:19.180 with factions that
00:31:20.060 represent the base, not
00:31:21.700 factions that represent
00:31:22.740 an out-of-touch and
00:31:23.820 bureaucratic elite caste
00:31:25.220 that really have nothing
00:31:26.300 to do with the party
00:31:27.020 anymore.
00:31:27.520 And another point we'll
00:31:28.300 get to in another
00:31:29.120 episode, which I'd
00:31:29.880 really love to talk to
00:31:30.600 you more, is this
00:31:31.580 deontological religious 0.70
00:31:33.260 system that in the
00:31:34.480 90s people thought was
00:31:35.580 stable, and you had
00:31:36.940 like the Quiverfull
00:31:37.860 movement and stuff like
00:31:38.760 that, their kids
00:31:39.640 deconverted at
00:31:40.580 astronomically high
00:31:41.900 rates.
00:31:42.580 It turns out it's just
00:31:43.880 not an intergenerationally
00:31:45.340 stable system.
00:31:46.120 They were like, we're
00:31:46.600 going to create the
00:31:47.120 generation of
00:31:47.700 Joshua, we'll do a
00:31:48.420 few episodes on this.
00:31:49.680 But what turns out, and
00:31:51.300 I think you're seeing
00:31:51.860 this in like the
00:31:52.580 Eight Passengers family,
00:31:53.600 for example, right?
00:31:54.520 When you take this
00:31:55.320 deontological moral
00:31:56.440 perspective, it is very
00:31:58.240 bad at intergenerational
00:31:59.480 atkeeping people and the
00:32:00.840 groups that are doing
00:32:01.560 that are just not
00:32:02.640 relevant in the future.
00:32:03.760 It is the active
00:32:05.140 theological conversation
00:32:06.240 and consequentialist
00:32:08.060 moral systems which seem
00:32:09.720 to be able to actually
00:32:10.800 motivate high fertility,
00:32:12.240 which you see across
00:32:13.000 traditions, whether it's
00:32:14.020 Catholic or Mormon or
00:32:14.900 something like that.
00:32:15.320 You see some factions that
00:32:16.160 are adopting these and
00:32:17.040 maintaining high
00:32:17.500 fertility.
00:32:18.280 But thoughts?
00:32:20.480 That makes sense.
00:32:21.980 And I'm excited for
00:32:23.980 that, but is there a
00:32:25.740 chance that this highly
00:32:27.020 socialist, we'll say
00:32:28.240 Christian socialist
00:32:29.280 faction, instead becomes
00:32:31.920 a dominant faction?
00:32:33.140 And how would that
00:32:33.660 play out?
00:32:34.600 In population numbers,
00:32:36.660 not at all.
00:32:37.300 I think that we have
00:32:38.240 risks from them.
00:32:39.100 Like, so the Heritage
00:32:40.360 Foundation, where they're
00:32:40.960 like, we'll do Project
00:32:41.640 2025 and we'll staff the
00:32:42.980 White Fest for you, 0.85
00:32:44.080 Trump, don't worry about
00:32:45.120 it, we'll handle it all.
00:32:46.340 Trump telling them
00:32:47.260 basically to go off
00:32:48.600 was very smart.
00:32:50.460 I like Heritage
00:32:51.300 Foundation people.
00:32:52.040 I think they can update.
00:32:53.320 But this original plan
00:32:54.760 of like banning
00:32:55.700 pornography, saying
00:32:57.160 life begins at
00:32:57.860 conception, which
00:32:58.480 basically means IVF
00:32:59.460 gets banned, you know,
00:33:00.680 putting kids on a
00:33:03.480 military list, you know,
00:33:05.160 this is not the new
00:33:07.140 Republicans.
00:33:07.760 This is some weird,
00:33:09.340 old, theocratic
00:33:10.520 holdout.
00:33:11.460 And I think that when I
00:33:12.780 talk to people at the
00:33:13.480 Heritage Foundation, many
00:33:14.320 of them are totally
00:33:15.020 rational, normal people
00:33:16.840 who follow the base.
00:33:18.240 What I'm assuming is
00:33:19.080 there's probably some
00:33:19.740 donors to them or some
00:33:21.580 faction that they think
00:33:22.720 they need to please or
00:33:23.560 maybe some old people who
00:33:24.560 are still haven't been
00:33:25.800 purged from these
00:33:26.620 organizations.
00:33:27.620 And during the Trump
00:33:28.860 administration, because
00:33:29.680 Trump seems very alive
00:33:31.280 to this, you know,
00:33:32.860 they're going to go
00:33:33.460 through and they're
00:33:33.960 going to clean house
00:33:34.700 so that we can and
00:33:36.020 then begin hiring people
00:33:37.100 like you and me and
00:33:37.760 other, you know,
00:33:38.320 thought leaders in the
00:33:39.200 new right to begin to
00:33:40.620 add a perspective that
00:33:43.280 is more representative
00:33:44.340 of both the
00:33:45.980 Republican base, but
00:33:46.720 also the Republican
00:33:47.520 next generation, which
00:33:49.000 is important if we want
00:33:50.780 to keep the party
00:33:51.540 healthy and strong.
00:33:53.100 I think there was a
00:33:54.220 plan to try to take
00:33:56.960 over with a Christian 1.00
00:33:58.740 Marxist value system.
00:34:00.380 And we even saw this
00:34:01.300 with the pro-natalist
00:34:02.020 movement.
00:34:02.420 I mean, Lyman Stone did
00:34:03.340 this.
00:34:03.620 Lyman Stone wrote this
00:34:05.220 like manifesto about how
00:34:07.380 the Collinses aren't
00:34:08.380 true pro-natalist 0.59
00:34:09.180 because the Collinses
00:34:09.960 aren't socialist.
00:34:10.960 They don't believe
00:34:12.160 because they look at
00:34:13.620 the evidence that
00:34:14.260 social handouts work,
00:34:15.680 that cash payments to
00:34:16.640 families work, that the
00:34:17.500 government should have
00:34:18.080 control of how many kids
00:34:18.960 a family should have,
00:34:20.140 and therefore they are
00:34:22.300 anti-natalist.
00:34:23.780 And it's like, I love
00:34:24.580 that he's like, therefore
00:34:25.400 they're not conservative
00:34:26.600 or they're not the new
00:34:27.720 right were two of the
00:34:28.540 words he used.
00:34:29.640 And I was like, we're
00:34:30.740 not conservative because
00:34:31.760 we're not Marxist?
00:34:33.400 But I think that a lot of
00:34:35.360 people like him, they do,
00:34:36.840 they have attempted over and
00:34:38.160 over again to try to
00:34:39.540 wrestle control of
00:34:41.060 movements that, you
00:34:41.880 know, other people have
00:34:42.620 built, people like Trump,
00:34:43.600 people like us, and that
00:34:45.700 you just need to be
00:34:46.980 vigilant against them.
00:34:48.260 And frankly, they need to 0.99
00:34:49.680 be shamed and kicked a bit. 0.97
00:34:51.780 Like, what I think
00:34:52.760 kicked a bit, I think
00:34:53.960 Trump did a good job with
00:34:55.180 the Project 2025 thing.
00:34:56.260 I don't think he needs to
00:34:56.960 throw out this database.
00:34:57.920 I think he should probably
00:34:58.720 use it.
00:34:59.500 I think he can work with
00:35:01.480 the Heritage Foundation as
00:35:03.100 long as they understand.
00:35:04.040 don't try to, like, take 0.90
00:35:06.100 your socialist nonsense, 0.98
00:35:08.460 your far-left, wokey, 1.00
00:35:11.140 ban-porn nonsense, and 0.97
00:35:13.500 try to incept it into what
00:35:16.760 is actually the conservative
00:35:18.580 base's desires these days,
00:35:20.700 or banning gay marriage or
00:35:22.220 something like that.
00:35:22.900 Like, this is not modern
00:35:24.360 conservatism, okay?
00:35:25.840 It's not what the base
00:35:26.740 wants.
00:35:27.340 It's not what the new
00:35:28.440 philosophers in the party
00:35:29.560 want.
00:35:30.220 It is, and I think that a
00:35:32.340 lot of these groups can
00:35:32.980 learn.
00:35:33.440 I think that they need to
00:35:34.720 come to accept that their
00:35:36.740 theological traditions are
00:35:38.600 not a majority enough of
00:35:40.000 the American population to
00:35:41.540 do anything other than
00:35:42.940 hurt them.
00:35:43.500 When you put these
00:35:44.320 extremist positions around
00:35:45.460 when life begins, or gay 0.96
00:35:47.120 marriage, or something like
00:35:47.940 that, even if you believe
00:35:49.420 in them, right?
00:35:50.280 Like, even if you think,
00:35:51.200 oh, it's good that the
00:35:52.060 government's enforcing people
00:35:53.120 to live this way, which
00:35:54.260 doesn't get anyone else
00:35:55.280 into heaven, so I don't,
00:35:56.460 like, even if that...
00:35:58.740 And I really want to
00:35:59.660 stress this point again.
00:36:00.820 There is no Christian 1.00
00:36:02.640 denomination which believes
00:36:04.560 that you have helped a
00:36:05.780 person's chance of getting
00:36:07.240 into heaven by adjudicating
00:36:09.700 their morality.
00:36:11.740 If anything, you have just
00:36:13.340 removed an opportunity for
00:36:15.520 them to reflect on their own
00:36:17.440 immorality and potentially
00:36:19.320 build a relationship with
00:36:20.780 God.
00:36:21.740 So you have hurt them in
00:36:23.560 that regard, and you have
00:36:25.000 hurt our society further by
00:36:27.900 preventing Republican
00:36:29.420 candidates from potentially
00:36:30.660 winning to play this little 0.78
00:36:33.720 silly, I don't know what 0.90
00:36:36.080 it is, status game? 0.99
00:36:38.040 It makes no sense.
00:36:40.760 You are hurting conservatives'
00:36:42.500 ability to win, because this
00:36:44.140 isn't something most of the
00:36:45.100 conservative base agrees with.
00:36:46.500 It's something that galvanizes
00:36:48.060 Democrats to get out there and
00:36:49.320 vote.
00:36:49.980 I think sort of the last gift
00:36:51.740 that the sort of transitional
00:36:54.460 group, Trump's group, gave to
00:36:56.340 these people, was this
00:36:58.060 conservative Supreme Court, was
00:37:00.000 the Supreme Court decision on
00:37:01.120 abortion, which I think is 1.00
00:37:02.120 just, I do think this should be
00:37:03.220 a state's rights issue, and
00:37:04.980 now we need to move on with
00:37:07.080 what conservatives actually
00:37:08.220 think, instead of what these
00:37:09.720 small pockets of extremists
00:37:11.140 think that conservatives should
00:37:12.920 think, if they weren't so 1.00
00:37:14.140 stupid, is basically what they 1.00
00:37:15.940 think. 1.00
00:37:16.100 I mean, that's what we got from
00:37:16.800 the conference, is a lot of
00:37:17.720 these people just think that the 1.00
00:37:18.620 base is stupid, because if they 1.00
00:37:20.580 look at this disenfranchised, 1.00
00:37:24.080 angry group of voters in the
00:37:26.320 same way that the leftist
00:37:27.380 bureaucrats do. 0.97
00:37:28.560 They're like, just sit back,
00:37:30.380 relax, and let the bureaucrats
00:37:31.580 make all the decisions.
00:37:34.620 This gives me hope, Malcolm, and
00:37:36.500 it makes a lot of sense.
00:37:37.560 It helps to explain a bunch of
00:37:38.800 things that really confuse me
00:37:39.860 about what are conservatives
00:37:41.760 now, but it's exciting to see
00:37:44.180 things moving in an interesting
00:37:45.500 direction.
00:37:46.120 It's just kind of crazy, also,
00:37:47.980 how capitalism is kind of going
00:37:49.700 full circle.
00:37:50.300 I see this cycle there of,
00:37:51.440 you know, originally, one could
00:37:53.060 say, like, productive, world-
00:37:55.080 changing companies were
00:37:56.840 conservatives and began to
00:37:59.500 falter, and now, once again,
00:38:01.840 sort of productive, world-
00:38:03.120 changing companies are
00:38:04.140 conservative, so just different
00:38:05.640 from a new wave of capitalism,
00:38:07.220 a new wave of business
00:38:08.160 formation.
00:38:09.360 So that's also interesting.
00:38:10.760 Well, that's actually really
00:38:11.820 interesting.
00:38:12.240 I think both theocratically and
00:38:14.680 in terms of business, the
00:38:16.400 conservative circles are the
00:38:17.600 ones where intellectually lively
00:38:19.200 discussions are happening.
00:38:20.700 Right, yeah, where generation is
00:38:22.100 happening.
00:38:22.600 I feel like conservatism feels more
00:38:25.080 generative to me, whereas
00:38:27.100 progressivism feels more
00:38:28.960 degenerative to me.
00:38:30.480 Rot, excess and rot, or
00:38:32.660 decline, whereas conservatism is
00:38:34.780 more the belt tightening, the
00:38:37.440 discipline, and then the growth,
00:38:39.260 the new growth.
00:38:40.320 Well, it's austerity and
00:38:41.380 discipline, I think, are two of the
00:38:43.020 key conservative values that you're
00:38:45.140 just not going to get in these
00:38:45.940 progressive circles.
00:38:46.780 And I think vitalism is becoming
00:38:48.960 a key conservative value instead
00:38:50.480 of, you know, the old
00:38:51.420 conservative party that we would
00:38:52.440 argue was motivated by, like, 0.99
00:38:53.840 ick, like, against gay because 0.99
00:38:55.040 gay, ick, you know. 1.00
00:38:56.500 And then we learned that's a 1.00
00:38:57.560 stupid way to build morality. 1.00
00:38:58.680 Like, that's what Mother Teresa 1.00
00:39:00.040 basically taught the world.
00:39:01.220 Like, yeah, just because somebody
00:39:02.560 initiates a disgust reaction in
00:39:04.060 you, like a leper, doesn't mean
00:39:05.140 you shouldn't hug them and show
00:39:06.100 them love.
00:39:06.920 Like, that's a pre-evolved thing
00:39:08.280 that was meant to keep you
00:39:09.240 healthy and safe and ensure you
00:39:11.620 have offspring, but that doesn't
00:39:12.740 mean it's a good sign of actual
00:39:14.300 immorality.
00:39:14.860 A lot of our listeners disagree
00:39:16.820 on that.
00:39:17.380 They're like, no, disgust good.
00:39:19.740 Yeah, when I see a deformed 1.00
00:39:20.800 person and I feel disgust, that's
00:39:22.640 a wonderful thing.
00:39:24.000 That's God telling me that they
00:39:25.360 must have sinned.
00:39:26.600 Was this, like, a beautiful thing?
00:39:28.140 Well, you know, on average in the
00:39:29.780 past, people before germ theory and
00:39:32.720 whatnot benefited from being afraid
00:39:35.160 of people who had visible problems,
00:39:39.500 open wounds, deformities, etc.
00:39:41.520 Because it could be associated with
00:39:43.340 a community of disease.
00:39:43.640 No, I understand how this moral
00:39:44.840 system evolved, but, you know, we
00:39:48.340 also, you know, if you go to early
00:39:50.200 Christianity, like, what's
00:39:51.220 happening, you know, in the
00:39:52.180 tabernacle, you know, when they're
00:39:53.400 escaping Israel and they're ripping 1.00
00:39:55.000 apart birds and throwing blood all
00:39:57.260 over their worship area, like, our
00:39:59.180 religion evolves, okay?
00:40:01.340 Yeah.
00:40:01.680 And we need to, and I think that's
00:40:03.880 commanded of us by God, is to
00:40:05.780 continue to, and even Catholicism,
00:40:08.220 their view that life begins at
00:40:09.400 conception evolved.
00:40:10.300 That's only about, you know, I
00:40:11.980 think 200 years old is Pope Pius
00:40:13.940 IX.
00:40:14.340 That's not what, you know, Thomas
00:40:15.920 Aquinas thought.
00:40:16.640 That's not what Augustus of Hippo
00:40:17.680 thought.
00:40:18.160 That's a new belief.
00:40:19.580 And that's okay.
00:40:20.320 We evolve and we evolve again until
00:40:22.620 we get closer to what God wants us
00:40:24.160 to believe.
00:40:25.260 That's what techno-Puritanism is all
00:40:26.960 about, right, my friend?
00:40:28.880 Oh, yeah.
00:40:29.540 I love you, Simone.
00:40:30.540 You are an absolute star.
00:40:32.800 What are we having tonight?
00:40:34.040 I mean, people hated us for our last
00:40:36.340 night's food.
00:40:37.280 They were like, oh, this is not what a
00:40:39.100 carnivore eats, you know.
00:40:40.760 Well, you're having teriyaki beef with
00:40:43.840 stir-fried rice.
00:40:45.860 I'm very excited for that.
00:40:47.060 I've actually been saving up for that
00:40:48.300 today because I'm looking forward to
00:40:50.620 that, yeah.
00:40:52.460 They were like, what about your seed
00:40:53.840 oils?
00:40:54.340 Because I was having, what, like,
00:40:55.240 gyoza last time and, like, tomato
00:40:56.960 soup.
00:40:57.740 And I don't know.
00:40:58.560 Maybe I'm getting my seed oils.
00:41:00.000 I actually don't care.
00:41:01.300 I don't want to live forever.
00:41:01.980 Seed oils?
00:41:03.120 I thought seed oils were out.
00:41:04.920 I don't know.
00:41:05.320 They're like, look at a rye nationalist. 0.87
00:41:07.480 You know, we've had him on the show,
00:41:08.540 right?
00:41:08.680 Yeah.
00:41:09.320 He'd tell us that the way we're eating
00:41:10.500 is, like, terribly unhealthy.
00:41:11.860 And I'm like, I really don't care.
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00:41:51.840 Do you know what I'm talking about?
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00:42:02.480 just like our kids.
00:42:03.740 Oh, God.
00:42:05.500 I love you.
00:42:06.460 I love you, too.