Based Camp - August 28, 2024


The Truth About Banned Books: All Center-Right Books are Banned by Default from Libraries (the Stats)


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44 minutes

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181.26193

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8,038

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587

Misogynist Sentences

13

Hate Speech Sentences

28


Summary

In this episode, we re talking about the ban on Dr. Seuss and other classics in public schools, and why it s actually not so bad. We re also reading from an article from The Federalist about the alarming rates of sexual abuse in our public schools.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 We are going to be talking about the truth about banned books and we are going to be,
00:00:05.120 and that's literally the article that I'm going to be reading from, from the free press.
00:00:08.480 No.
00:00:09.060 But I'm always shocked how like the left will be like, oh, the right's out there banning
00:00:14.380 books and they're horrible and they're, and then I'm like, okay.
00:00:19.740 Didn't, didn't we ban Dr. Seuss?
00:00:21.720 Not the left banned Dr. Seuss.
00:00:23.580 Didn't you guys like just ban Dr. Seuss?
00:00:25.480 Like, didn't you, don't you ban books all the time these days?
00:00:30.840 You guys are like actually burning Anne Frank's diary.
00:00:34.420 And I'll put a thing on that screen here because a lot of people don't know how like anti-Semitic
00:00:38.400 a lot of like the far commies are because, you know, keep in mind, Marx did write like,
00:00:44.660 what is it?
00:00:45.080 Like the Jewish problem or whatever is his first book.
00:00:48.580 Commies are very anti-Semitic.
00:00:51.100 But yeah, the, the, the books that you guys are banning, you know, the Dr. Seuss and stuff
00:00:55.380 like that, horrifying that you guys are banning them.
00:00:58.480 You are actually banning like pieces of our tradition and stuff like that.
00:01:02.220 You look at the books that the conservatives are banning and they're like actual pornography.
00:01:08.080 They'll like demonstrate using cartoon characters for children.
00:01:12.940 How'd you give fellatio?
00:01:14.460 What?
00:01:15.060 Wait, like in your school?
00:01:17.680 We'll get into all that in a second.
00:01:19.180 Okay, let's.
00:01:19.840 Would you like to know more?
00:01:21.660 But before we get into that, I want to go into this particular piece because it also
00:01:26.080 shows that conservatives don't actually really ban books.
00:01:30.060 It's mostly a progressive dog, like fabrication.
00:01:34.260 Dog whistle.
00:01:34.740 Like the, like the don't say gay bill where that's not.
00:01:38.200 So what she's talking about with the jokes of the gay bill is we know the people who wrote
00:01:42.300 that bill before it ever left the Republican side of the planning committee.
00:01:47.240 There was concern that it could be used to prevent gay teachers from talking about their personal
00:01:53.520 lives to their students or letting their students know that they were gay.
00:01:57.620 And so that was removed from the bill by conservatives before it left the conservative planning stage.
00:02:06.160 And then progressives made up that that's what it would do.
00:02:10.200 And yet it has never been used that way.
00:02:12.180 It doesn't do that at all.
00:02:13.640 And yet they created this huge fight and stuff around this where they've created this perception like, oh,
00:02:18.140 conservatives are out to get gay people.
00:02:19.720 But it's more, no, conservatives were concerned about the huge number of child grapes that are happening in our school system right now.
00:02:25.560 That right now are higher on a, not, not on an absolute level, but on a per teacher to per preacher level than they were during the Catholic church at the height of the scandal.
00:02:37.360 It is bad.
00:02:39.580 There is a reason to be putting these laws in place.
00:02:42.700 So just for people who aren't familiar with the current stats, here's an article from The Federalist.
00:02:46.660 One in 10 K through 12 students has been sexually abused by a teacher.
00:02:52.260 And it says the rate of sexual misconduct in public schools far exceeds the high profile abuse scandals that rocked the Roman Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts of America.
00:03:01.580 And this article came out in 2024, July 15th.
00:03:05.020 Also, admittedly, it is not just the high number of grapes that are the problem.
00:03:10.260 It is also the systemic attempts at brainwashing children into ideologies that have extremely negative mental health outcomes, which is something we talk about in other videos.
00:03:22.740 This has been my first year in preschool with a class of my own teaching alongside another queer neurodivergent educator.
00:03:30.780 And we have been rocking R2's class.
00:03:33.480 We've been talking about gender and skin color and consent and empathy and our bodies and autonomy.
00:03:39.860 It's been fabulous.
00:03:41.700 But our teaching team is shifting and a new person is being onboarded, someone with many years of experience.
00:03:47.480 So today at the lunch table, when the topic of gender and genitals came up, one of our students plainly looked up and said,
00:03:55.960 Well, I'm a girl today, but I know that Teacher Coe isn't.
00:03:59.840 No, they're Enby.
00:04:01.660 And the look on the incoming teacher's face was priceless.
00:04:07.000 She was shocked in a good way.
00:04:09.860 And she just looked around at the two of us and said, this class is incredible.
00:04:13.440 And I am so impressed.
00:04:18.920 But anyway, I want to get to this piece right here.
00:04:22.360 So, for example, How to Be an Antiracist by Imran X.
00:04:27.660 Kendi, which argues that the, quote, only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination, end quote.
00:04:33.640 So a book that is actively arguing for discrimination is stocked in 42% of U.S. school districts that were surveyed.
00:04:41.500 Meanwhile, only a single school district, Northside Independent School District in San Antonio, Texas, offers students woke racism by John McWhorter, a book that challenges the borderline religious anti-racist ideas advocated by Kennedy.
00:04:56.760 So what we're showing here is, if you're talking about what's actually being stocked at the stores, like, are conservatives influencing this?
00:05:04.520 Are they influencing what books are there and what books aren't?
00:05:07.420 They're just not.
00:05:08.820 And conservative books that are even, like, Mill Road, or if you're saying, oh, I want both sites presented, are functionally banned from our libraries, even fairly mainstream ones.
00:05:21.580 So, Felix Ever After, a book by Kacen Caller that claims that girls who hate, quote, being forced into dresses and being given dolls, end quote, are transgender, is available in 77% of school districts surveyed.
00:05:37.640 Wow.
00:05:37.820 But not a single school out of nearly 5,000 offered books critical of trans theories.
00:05:43.580 Students won't find books like Trans by Helen Joyce or Irreversible Damage, the Transgender Craze, Seducing Our Daughters by Abigail Schreier.
00:05:53.920 Both recent bestsellers that present skeptical takes on the rapid rise of transgender identification among adolescents.
00:06:02.880 So here what you're seeing is a book that literally, and keep in mind how insane this is.
00:06:09.620 To say that a girl who hates wearing dresses and being given dolls is transgender, lots.
00:06:17.140 Yeah, it's a radical fringe view that is also potentially quite damaging because the gender-affirming care that a girl might be driven to get by those ideas is pretty irreversible and can have very, very serious knock-on effects.
00:06:31.700 It's not like that book is in some school libraries.
00:06:35.080 It's in 77%.
00:06:37.460 That's wild.
00:06:39.620 That is absolutely crazy.
00:06:41.320 It is also wild that not a single one of the 5,000 school libraries searched had either of two best-selling books that were skeptical of trans ideology.
00:06:52.240 Well, it's just, it's weird to me that books on this would be present at all.
00:06:56.580 I'm thinking of at least my experience with the school library.
00:07:00.220 And there, I don't know if there were any books that were published after 1980 in there, like literally.
00:07:07.220 Well, you went to a very poor school district.
00:07:09.220 Yeah.
00:07:10.020 I remember my experience on the school library.
00:07:13.060 I actually stole a book on how cults worked and brainwashing.
00:07:17.660 And then another one on, well, they threw out books all the time.
00:07:20.360 It wasn't really an issue.
00:07:21.280 I saw all the giant book things they threw out.
00:07:23.620 But I didn't want it on my personal record.
00:07:25.420 Now I admit that I was interested in studying those things.
00:07:27.620 And I was like, oh, if I end up, you know, just starting a cult right after school, I don't want it on my record.
00:07:31.560 And I was checking out books on that and bioterrorism and, you know, various forms of stuff like that.
00:07:37.780 Because I was very interested in how all that worked and how to potentially rapidly change society if it needed to happen.
00:07:44.040 But they had a pretty good selection of stuff.
00:07:46.660 Okay.
00:07:46.840 So most school libraries have new books, you're saying.
00:07:50.500 And they throw out old books literally into the trash in the, like, truckload.
00:07:56.700 That makes me sad.
00:07:58.140 It's really sad.
00:07:59.000 Yeah.
00:07:59.240 I mean, your library, there should be a better experience.
00:08:01.940 Maybe those truckloads went to my school's library.
00:08:04.600 I'm pretty sure that's the case.
00:08:05.580 In fact, many of the books that we were given for our English class and stuff had the rich high school, like, stamped on them.
00:08:12.480 So we knew that they were the castoffs from them.
00:08:14.640 It made us feel pretty shitty.
00:08:16.540 But, you know, like I said in another podcast, we sold them the drugs.
00:08:19.880 They took them.
00:08:20.540 In the end, they were the ones who hurt.
00:08:22.200 So.
00:08:23.000 Yeah, right?
00:08:23.820 Yeah.
00:08:24.420 All right.
00:08:27.240 Memoirs by non-progressive leaders are also notably scarce.
00:08:30.120 While Dreams of My Father, the memoir of Democratic President Barack Obama, is found in 75% of sample districts, Becoming, by his wife, is found in 65% of districts.
00:08:40.600 Memoirs by Republican politicians like Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramasamy, and Mike Pompeo, Tim Scott, and Ron DeSantis were essentially nowhere to be found.
00:08:49.180 Wow.
00:08:49.660 You'd think at least, Vivek.
00:08:50.660 I mean, he's like a young person's person.
00:08:52.220 So when they were looking at those 5,000 schools from 35 school districts, the Vivek one was found in 0%, Nikki Haley, 0%, Mike Pompeo, 0%, Tim Scott, 0%, Ron DeSantis, 0%, and Mike Pence, 6%.
00:09:08.260 And then it lists, yeah.
00:09:10.600 So basically they are indoctrination centers at this point.
00:09:15.380 And any claims that Republicans are trying to indoctrinate your kids are absolutely laughable in terms of at least effective.
00:09:24.540 But of course, why would Republicans need to indoctrinate kids when Republicans have kids and Democrats don't, right?
00:09:31.060 Like Democrats have to play this game aggressively.
00:09:34.640 It's their only way to survive.
00:09:36.180 Yeah, although I have to also ask this question, which I think is important in any discussion related to political fights in America around banned books.
00:09:45.920 Who is reading these books?
00:09:48.680 You know, these are, for the most part, physical books.
00:09:51.620 And I don't know how many high school students are actually reading.
00:09:54.500 Aren't most of them just addicted to TikTok and or their AI boyfriends slash girlfriends?
00:09:58.720 It's the autistic kids who are also the ones most likely to convert.
00:10:05.840 Yeah, I wish I had better stats on who is actually checking out and or reading these books because I have doubts.
00:10:12.720 Yeah, and I think it's funny to me and a little bit misguided.
00:10:15.680 This is very similar to me to the bathroom debate about schools with parents.
00:10:20.460 And yes, I understand that there have been isolated incidents and they are very worrying about mixed gender bathrooms or policies where schools allow transitioning students to go into the bathroom of their chosen gender.
00:10:35.540 And then they, you know, go in and they assault people in those bathrooms and cause problems.
00:10:39.760 Like I get that that's that's a thing, but they're very isolated incidents.
00:10:43.000 And I'm sure that there are much more common incidents of just full out violent bullying outside of bathrooms.
00:10:47.600 So I'm not that concerned about it.
00:10:48.940 Right. What what I think is, is that people are not putting their focus in the right place.
00:10:54.620 They're not putting their focus where their actual damage is being done.
00:10:58.400 Not that many people are reading books.
00:11:00.900 Not that many people are being assaulted in bathrooms.
00:11:03.320 And yet these are the two top discussions that are taking place.
00:11:06.540 Like as I run for state rep in our state, these are the discussions parents are having about their kids in school, not the curriculum, not the bias and skew of the teachers,
00:11:16.940 not the bias and skew of the school boards, not social, emotional learning.
00:11:21.540 There are all these things that are taking place in school that are steeped within every moment of the day that every student is involved in.
00:11:29.320 And yet we're talking about isolated bathroom incidents and books that I don't think anyone's reading and refer to our podcast on nobody reads anymore.
00:11:38.380 Right. Like no one reads anymore.
00:11:40.280 We have the data on that, even when you look at bestselling books.
00:11:43.120 And I think some of this is selection bias when you talk about the biographies of progressive leaders, you know, dreams of my father versus biographies about Nikki Haley and stuff.
00:11:53.240 It's just, you know, Obama was a more famous figure.
00:11:55.300 When you probably look at the bestseller status of those books, the, the, the incidents of them being in school libraries probably tracks almost perfectly to their bestseller status and rank among other books.
00:12:07.360 No, I think we just went over that was the trans books. The two books that I mentioned that were in 0% of libraries were both New York times bestsellers.
00:12:16.600 You did. Yeah. You did say they're, although we know, we know from our data, which I think we covered in our, our, our episode on why nobody reads that New York times bestseller status does not necessarily indicate a book that is actually bestselling.
00:12:28.920 Amazon bestseller status is a much better read of that. But anyway, my, my argument.
00:12:33.220 No, Amazon bestseller was very few books. The point being Simone, look, you can be a bestseller with a few books, but to be a conservative New York times bestseller is actually means that you're selling serious books.
00:12:45.140 I think that you are being taken in by trying to be, take the middle approach here where the reality is, is this is pretty horrific that this is happening.
00:12:52.460 And if the position that you want to take is we should stop spending any money on public school libraries or school libraries, I am okay with that position, like transitioning them into other centers.
00:13:03.380 Well, or, or, or having schools work in concert with the local libraries of any town or city, because pretty much every township and city in the United States has a library system.
00:13:15.300 And I don't know why we need to have school libraries in addition to that, when we could maybe shift funding and be a little bit more efficient if we pulled resources.
00:13:24.440 I think that's a really good point. And I think they should do that, but let's continue. Okay.
00:13:28.600 And then at the end of this, we can talk about whether libraries matter at all in the modern age.
00:13:33.040 Yeah.
00:13:34.580 The American Library Association and groups like Penn America have raised alarm and millions in donations by warning of the continued rise in attempts to censor books and materials in the public school and academic libraries.
00:13:46.620 Penn America estimates that 2,532 books were removed from schools in 32 states during the 2021 and 2022 school year.
00:13:55.360 But an investigation by the Heritage Foundation found that 75% of those so-called banned books were actually widely available to students.
00:14:02.760 My own research uncovered the same. In some cases, such as Amanda Gromer's The Hill We Climb, a poetry book was supposedly quote unquote banned by the Miami-Dade County School District.
00:14:13.360 It was actually just moved from the elementary school to the middle school section of the library.
00:14:18.260 In Gender Queer, a graphic memoir for teens about gender identity that the New York Times called, quote, the most banned book in the country, end quote, was available in about 25% of the school districts I surveyed.
00:14:30.460 Another gripe that I have, you can take this out if you must, but where are students actually being radicalized?
00:14:37.800 Where does an adolescent in the United States or elsewhere actually decide that they're trans?
00:14:44.240 I do not think it is in their school library.
00:14:46.460 I think that it is when they go to an anime fan fiction forum and hang out in chat forums online and start getting radicalized by people there.
00:14:54.400 And first they start identifying as, you know, non-binary.
00:14:57.500 And then they start, you know, using they, them pronouns and it goes on from there.
00:15:03.060 And yes, their school absolutely plays a role in this to a great extent.
00:15:06.840 I think public schools are influential in tipping the scales.
00:15:10.460 And that's something that parents absolutely need to discuss.
00:15:13.280 But it is only in the form of affirming something that has begun online, at home, on their own, in chat forums, and certainly not chat forums, and certainly not on websites that have anything to do with gender-affirming care or politics or anything else.
00:15:30.020 They have to do with anime.
00:15:31.120 They have to do with fanfic.
00:15:32.200 They have to do with fun.
00:15:33.080 They have to do with fashion.
00:15:34.040 They have to do with culture.
00:15:35.360 Nothing about politics.
00:15:37.000 And so when parents are trying to ban books, like if, for example, the conservative dream came true, right, and suddenly there were only gendered bathrooms, and there were only no, you know, no books about sexuality at all in schools ever, and there was no sex ed, it wouldn't change a goddamn thing.
00:15:53.980 Because you would still have students radicalizing the same way that they're radicalizing now.
00:15:57.220 And if you don't change the policies and the state laws right now around protecting children who are starting to identify as non-binary and who choose to identify in their schools as different names and different genders, and parents are often not told about this, and in some cases, like you have in Minnesota, that's a sanctuary state for trans kids.
00:16:16.060 You have governors like Tim Walz, who's now the VP candidate in the United States, saying, okay, well, we can even, you know, take kids from their parents if the parents don't agree with the kid's choice to transition.
00:16:29.240 That's when you have problems.
00:16:30.900 And I just, it bothers me that there's so much discussion.
00:16:33.920 I mean, obviously, the free press has to cater to a very mainstream audience that is still concerned about this.
00:16:39.480 It just really bothers me how misguided this all is.
00:16:41.940 Yeah, so, just so you're aware of what this book has in it, that's in 25% of school libraries.
00:16:49.160 Okay.
00:16:49.760 It has a guide on how to give fellatio with pictures of a kid giving fellatio to another kid.
00:16:58.940 Kids!
00:16:59.880 Kids!
00:17:00.900 Yeah, they appear to be underage.
00:17:02.160 I guess from the picture here, they're probably about 16.
00:17:04.720 And then in this one, it talks about how to masturbate.
00:17:09.060 And yeah, so it's some pictures of men and then a man masturbating to two men having sex.
00:17:15.120 Oh, that's sweet.
00:17:17.160 No homo.
00:17:18.200 It's like, it's definitely straight.
00:17:20.460 It's like 25%.
00:17:20.660 They call this the most banned book in the country.
00:17:23.160 What they mean is most people complain about this book, but it is...
00:17:26.900 The most complained about book.
00:17:28.340 Okay.
00:17:28.660 But that doesn't mean it's actually not in libraries.
00:17:31.800 It's in 25% of the student libraries.
00:17:36.100 25%.
00:17:36.580 Yeah, this, it's honestly, here's the interesting thing.
00:17:41.580 It seems more explicit than the joy, the joy of sex, which is one of the more famous, like
00:17:46.760 original illustrated guides to sex.
00:17:48.680 It was supposed to be fairly didactic because it, I don't think the joy of sex even really
00:17:53.760 talked about masturbation, like, you know, sort of, you know, not participating in a sex
00:17:59.100 act.
00:17:59.300 It was really more about, like, how to participate in male-female mutual sex acts.
00:18:05.620 And this sounds even more explicit than that.
00:18:07.500 And that is just insane.
00:18:10.720 Well, you want to hear some other insane stuff?
00:18:13.160 I'm a little afraid, but let's do it.
00:18:14.700 17% of survey districts carried Freedom is a Constant Struggle, Ferguson, Palestine, and
00:18:21.460 the Foundations of a Movement, in which Angela Davis argues that, quote, repression associated
00:18:27.580 with Israeli settler colonialism was so evident and so blatant, and that, quote, the Israeli
00:18:33.640 military made no attempt to conceal the violence they inflicted upon the Palestinian people,
00:18:37.460 end quote.
00:18:38.220 The school libraries of Bowerd County, Florida, alone has 16 copies of the book, and precisely
00:18:44.380 zero copies of Bibby, My Story, Benjamin Netanyahu's autobiography, which refutes Davis's
00:18:50.600 allegations.
00:18:51.640 Of the 35 school samples, only one carries Bibby, New York side ISD, once again.
00:18:57.600 So it appears that there's, like, one school that, like, actually tries to carry both sides
00:19:01.380 of things.
00:19:01.740 That cares about Israel.
00:19:03.320 Recently, we have seen reports of the rise of anti-Semitism in American schools.
00:19:07.040 According to Harvard-Harris poll from last month, 67% of 18 to 24-year-olds believe that,
00:19:13.400 quote, Jews are oppressors, end quote, and, quote, should be treated as such, end quote.
00:19:19.140 Is this at all surprising if students aren't being exposed to viewpoints that counter this
00:19:23.460 argument?
00:19:24.100 Which I see is very true.
00:19:25.520 I've seen very few people who have this, like, anti-Jewish perspective actually look up
00:19:29.260 the other side, actually look up, you know, the foundings of the efforts that the Jews
00:19:35.460 have made to try to reconcile with the Palestinian people, the efforts that they have made in
00:19:40.660 peace negotiations, the absolute just, like, they just believe the narrative that's being
00:19:46.320 fed to them instead of researching both sides, and it's really disappointing to me.
00:19:50.300 But here, now we are going to go down a list of books here, okay?
00:19:55.560 Okay.
00:19:55.880 So these are books written by some of the world's best-known progressive thinkers, okay?
00:20:02.120 And we're going to go through what percent of school libraries they're in.
00:20:04.760 Communist Manifestos, and 75%.
00:20:06.880 Great.
00:20:07.780 The Origins of Our Discontent, 60%.
00:20:10.440 Rawr.
00:20:11.080 The 1619 Project, 54%.
00:20:13.800 Oof.
00:20:14.380 Stamped, 71%.
00:20:15.640 What's stamped about?
00:20:17.620 I don't know.
00:20:18.960 I can add it in post.
00:20:20.000 It's a book by the guy who wrote the anti-racist book, Abraham X. Kennedy.
00:20:24.700 The full title is Stamped, Racism, Anti-Racism, and You, or Stamped from the Beginning.
00:20:31.120 An African-American and Latinx History of the United States, 40%.
00:20:35.000 Latinx is such a racist race.
00:20:37.120 The New Jim Crow, 60%.
00:20:39.020 Guide to Political Revolution, that's by Bernie Sanders, 40%.
00:20:42.580 White Fragility, 54%.
00:20:44.860 Is that horrible racist books in 54%?
00:20:47.300 So you want to talk about race, 57%.
00:20:49.840 This book is anti-racist, 45%.
00:20:52.780 Now let's look at mainstream books that have a conservative mindset, right?
00:20:57.640 Okay.
00:20:57.980 They got Karl Marx.
00:20:59.360 What about Milton Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom?
00:21:01.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:02.160 Right?
00:21:02.620 8%.
00:21:03.320 Oh.
00:21:04.520 Created Equal by Dr. Ben Carson, 5%.
00:21:07.560 Woke Racism, 3%.
00:21:09.760 Breaking History by Jared Kushner, 2%.
00:21:12.380 Social Justice Fallacies, 0%.
00:21:14.720 That's by Thomas Salwell.
00:21:16.020 Great thinker, by the way.
00:21:17.360 The War on the West by Douglas Moore,
00:21:19.660 0%.
00:21:20.380 The 1619 Project, a critique, 0%.
00:21:23.340 The case against impeaching Trump, 0%.
00:21:26.720 Decades of Decadence by Mark Rubio, 0%.
00:21:29.400 The Diversity Delusion, 0%.
00:21:32.120 And the case for Trump, 0%.
00:21:33.600 No wonder only 16% of Gen Z says they are proud to live in America, according to a survey
00:21:38.640 in 2023.
00:21:39.220 They don't have access to books that present our country in an honest light.
00:21:43.600 Yeah.
00:21:44.040 And it's a surprise that 76% of Gen Z and millennial women wouldn't date a Republican, according
00:21:50.120 to a change research poll from September.
00:21:52.780 They're presented as mentors.
00:21:54.100 Why would you?
00:21:54.660 Yeah, they've never been exposed to any conservative ideas.
00:21:58.780 And that's definitely how I was raised.
00:22:03.720 So what do we do about this?
00:22:05.180 Like, well, how do you realistically combat this?
00:22:07.200 I mean, I think, one, realistically, these decisions are being made by the local librarians.
00:22:12.320 And so what this shows me is, as conservatives, you should not be fighting to get these books
00:22:20.060 in libraries or what's in libraries, because you are never going to win against the bureaucracy
00:22:25.060 of minimum-waged bureaucrats, okay?
00:22:27.620 Like, the labor.
00:22:28.480 Yeah, yeah.
00:22:29.060 Nuk the library, bring back shop class.
00:22:31.920 So take the money that used to go to libraries.
00:22:34.700 Let libraries be handled by existing libraries that already are present in local communities,
00:22:40.880 which are fantastic and wonderful and should be getting attention and should be getting
00:22:45.040 used by communities.
00:22:45.320 I disagree with that, too.
00:22:46.520 I think libraries should not be funded.
00:22:49.000 I think libraries are amazing third places and should be given more support in communities.
00:22:53.740 And frankly, it's a great place to give teens and kids another place that's not just school
00:22:59.080 to go and hang out and study and learn and meet with the community.
00:23:02.740 So we'll have to disagree on that.
00:23:04.160 I'll agree with it insofar as they are useful to homeschooling projects and stuff like that.
00:23:09.740 Yeah, and homeschooling groups.
00:23:11.460 Libraries are amazing places.
00:23:13.740 They're fantastic to hang out, to just go through the books.
00:23:16.940 I used to spend, before I met you as an adult, I would just spend like a whole weekend day.
00:23:22.380 And this is how they get the autists.
00:23:24.260 Little autists like you are in libraries.
00:23:26.420 No, because they're in like, Octavian would be in like the train section.
00:23:31.040 And I was always in the fashion history section.
00:23:33.400 And like cultural history.
00:23:34.840 So no one wants to read these political books.
00:23:36.800 They're so boring.
00:23:37.460 That's the thing is, I'm pretty sure, I mean, sure, that one school had 14 copies of one
00:23:41.340 of those books.
00:23:41.980 But I just don't think they're in that much circulation.
00:23:45.180 You know, I think that these are what the librarians are excited about.
00:23:48.480 They're not what the readers are excited about.
00:23:50.660 The readers are excited about romance novels.
00:23:52.580 This shows up when you can see how often they're checked out.
00:23:55.380 You know, in the old days, you could see.
00:23:56.680 Okay, I'll buy the romance novels.
00:23:58.300 That is what the young girls are after.
00:23:59.880 They're poor.
00:24:00.640 I'm telling you, man.
00:24:01.280 Now, here's the thing is, is I did read Yowie manga when I was a kid.
00:24:06.260 Explain to the audience what Yowie is.
00:24:08.260 We have some older listeners who may not know.
00:24:09.820 Yeah, Yowie is man-on-man romances.
00:24:13.740 Let's say that again.
00:24:15.520 Man-on-man romances is what Yowie is.
00:24:18.240 Yuri is girl-on-girl.
00:24:19.620 And Yowie is very popular among young women in the United States.
00:24:24.600 Maybe it's a little more of a deep cut among weebs.
00:24:27.020 But in Japan, there are entire Yowie conventions.
00:24:30.060 A lot of people argue.
00:24:31.680 There's not that much of a deep cut in the United States.
00:24:33.820 I mean, Yowie, I have lots of girls who read Yowie.
00:24:36.480 Yeah, there's a lot of theories as to why women like Yowie.
00:24:40.080 For example, it's kind of nice to enjoy romantic and sexual scenarios that don't involve female bodies or female objectification.
00:24:50.020 And you don't have to kind of put yourself in there.
00:24:51.680 You could just kind of enjoy men.
00:24:52.820 So anyway, like I enjoyed, like I would say that there's some materials that people, that conservatives would get their panties in a bunch about.
00:25:01.520 Or did you just enjoy the stories?
00:25:04.060 Oh, that's just so sweet.
00:25:05.440 Like, no, like I get, I would read girl-boy romances too.
00:25:09.800 And sometimes be like, wait, you and I watched part of that.
00:25:13.860 Remember the ice skating anime?
00:25:15.740 Oh, yeah.
00:25:16.500 Come on, like anyone can watch that and be like, oh my God, you know, like it's, it's great.
00:25:22.380 And like the thing, the thing is like for me, fan service and anime does nothing for me.
00:25:26.720 You know, like the jiggling boobs, it's just, eh.
00:25:30.160 So like imagine, you know, any, I'm sure like male fan service doesn't really do anything for you when you're watching anime.
00:25:37.620 So, you know, imagine if it was just all female fan service for you and cute romances, you know, I think that that's, that would probably maybe be more appealing.
00:25:46.700 I think Disney made a yaoi recently.
00:25:48.960 The mermaid one, the gay mermaid.
00:25:50.040 Yeah, Luca.
00:25:50.860 Yeah, but it wasn't that good.
00:25:53.120 Compare Luca to the ice skating anime.
00:25:57.600 Yeah.
00:25:57.840 I mean, there was chemistry in the ice skating anime.
00:26:01.420 Oh my God.
00:26:02.240 And this is one of the things that we're like, you know, you're talking about what young girls actually like.
00:26:06.820 And we mentioned this in a recent episode where everyone was like, no, young girls like buff, muscly men.
00:26:12.220 And I'm like, then you have no young girl friends.
00:26:15.480 Like you, you must have not actually talked to a, a, a late teenage girl, early twenties girl, because if you at all engage with these communities, they do not.
00:26:27.160 They, they like their yaoi.
00:26:29.540 They like their, you know, their Legolas.
00:26:32.340 They like their.
00:26:33.520 Well, but I, I also want to emphasize, you know, there are these books.
00:26:36.820 That like are, are supposed to instruct men on how to masturbate to other men, as you described with that one book.
00:26:43.320 What are teens actually reading?
00:26:44.800 Teens are totally watching men go down on each other, whatever, like whatever men do.
00:26:48.880 I'm sorry.
00:26:49.440 I'm rusty.
00:26:51.420 But it is, it is yaoi.
00:26:53.020 You know, it is, it is, it is very different stuff.
00:26:55.220 I think you're right.
00:26:56.420 And I actually really want to elevate this because you mentioned this earlier in this particular podcast, but I think this is really true.
00:27:02.880 Focus on the culture war, where it is actually being won and happening.
00:27:08.620 Focus on the points of conversion.
00:27:10.700 Yeah.
00:27:11.040 Focus on where the radicalization happens.
00:27:12.660 Just fund them.
00:27:13.520 Nobody's even using them anymore.
00:27:14.980 Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:27:15.900 Take the funding that used to go to school libraries, bring back shop class, but like the modern version of it, right?
00:27:22.240 Teach people how to fix things, teach people how to cook, teach people how to do their own laundry.
00:27:27.260 So bring back home, bring back shop class, call it adulting.
00:27:31.040 Okay.
00:27:31.560 Just please teach people how to live.
00:27:33.980 I love calling it adulting.
00:27:35.240 So people aren't like, oh, that sexist you brought back home at adulting.
00:27:38.220 But yeah.
00:27:38.640 Oh, even if it wasn't like, if you really like, if that's too offensive for people, just teach teens how to prepare tax returns and have that be their first job.
00:27:46.560 Imagine that, right?
00:27:48.260 But here's what I would say, Simone.
00:27:50.100 Okay.
00:27:50.340 What people are missing is at the same time as you shouldn't be focused on the false areas of operation, i.e. whether it's gendered bathrooms or whether it is libraries,
00:28:01.400 you need to be focused on where they're actually getting your kids.
00:28:04.800 Yes.
00:28:05.420 And that is fan fiction communities is one of the biggest fan fiction communities.
00:28:11.980 You need to pay attention to this.
00:28:13.620 If you aren't paying attention to the battle happening in fan fiction communities, then you aren't paying attention to how your daughter is going to be indoctrinated.
00:28:20.740 You don't know where your kids are being radicalized.
00:28:22.960 Yeah.
00:28:23.140 Because you're thinking, oh, it's that nerdy, innocent place.
00:28:25.900 And I would say that there's a long history of nerdy, innocent places being demonized.
00:28:30.720 For example, Dungeons and Dragons was caught up in the panic, the satanic panic of the 80s.
00:28:37.480 And that was totally misguided.
00:28:39.280 But this is one of those places where it actually is a real source of radicalization that parents need to look at.
00:28:45.420 And you're absolutely right.
00:28:46.380 But you win this by winning the fight in the community, by creating alternate iterations of this community.
00:28:53.960 So for example, if you approach something like the satanic panic by banning Dungeons and Dragons, then what you ensure is that your kids are secretly going to Dungeons and Dragons events.
00:29:05.360 No.
00:29:05.820 And it totally backfired.
00:29:06.780 You have no say over and that are antagonistic to your perspective.
00:29:09.520 The way you win the satanic panic, the way you win the fan fiction wars is to create alternate communities that are copacetic with your worldviews.
00:29:22.680 If you created the Christian, what's the word I'm looking for, Dungeons and Dragons club, then your kids are protected.
00:29:30.160 In fact, one of our friends who lives in our local community does this.
00:29:34.800 He runs, he's a dungeon master for a group that a lot of his employees go to, but also his young kids go to.
00:29:41.060 Who are like, you know, I think like 8 through 16 or something.
00:29:44.360 And they have a blast at it.
00:29:46.060 And kids are not as repelled by doing things with their parents as you would think if you engage with earnesty in the activities that they enjoy.
00:29:56.280 And this can be reading their latest fan fiction and stuff like this.
00:29:59.480 And it's a good way to educate your kids to help them learn better language, right?
00:30:03.540 You know, getting kids to engage creatively in things that they're not shamed for and that you can engage them on is a great way.
00:30:12.420 You're like, oh, you want this to win the local fan fiction competition?
00:30:15.420 Like, I'll help you with this, et cetera, right?
00:30:17.120 Like, this is how you win.
00:30:19.820 When you ban this stuff, that's where you lose.
00:30:22.900 Or when you focus on battles, if you're out there, like, I bet you so many of these parents, right, who are, like, fighting, like, to get this, like, book instructing on play show and stuff like that out of school libraries.
00:30:35.060 If you ask them, yeah, when was the last time your kid went to the school library?
00:30:39.680 They'd be like, I don't know.
00:30:40.460 Like, maybe once a year.
00:30:41.640 Maybe not at all.
00:30:42.520 Maybe it's part of a class.
00:30:43.600 I don't know.
00:30:44.040 So why are you expending time fighting this?
00:30:46.540 It's performative.
00:30:47.400 It's part of a social hierarchy battle more than it's about actually trying to make things better.
00:30:51.780 And yet it makes the entire Republican movement look bad when we should just be not funding these libraries and focusing on the community institutions, as Simone says, the community libraries that already exist.
00:31:02.700 Yeah, well, I think the other important thing that cannot be understated is addressing policies that allow schools to be places where once the radicalization has begun, they bring it up from 10 to 100 by affirming that and by legitimizing it.
00:31:25.760 Remember, there's that story how when I was a kid, I just, like, innocently said at one point that I was going to marry my best friend, and we're going to have 100 cats, and we're going to live in an RV.
00:31:37.980 And my school decided that I had just come out as a lesbian and had a call with my parents and had a call with, like, there was a whole, all these meetings because they basically made it a thing.
00:31:50.800 And I just, I mean, they didn't, like, have a meeting about how I wanted to have 100 cats.
00:31:58.900 Like, this was how unserious, I mean, I was, I guess, like, I just, like, I don't know, I just assumed I was going to be a lesbian because everyone around me was a lesbian.
00:32:05.720 Like, all my kids, all my friends' parents were lesbian couples, so I just figured, like, it didn't really matter what gender you married, and I didn't know what I was.
00:32:14.580 But I think that that is something that is happening at schools is kids are saying, you know, doing things like being a Tom girl.
00:32:23.600 And rather than just being like, oh, she's a Tom girl, rather than being like, oh, Simone says she's going to marry her best friend and have 100 cats, they're like, oh.
00:32:34.000 But there's nothing you can do about that.
00:32:35.960 The whole bureaucracy is corrupted, okay?
00:32:38.640 There's nothing you can do without taking down the school system.
00:32:41.580 There are laws, there are laws that, I mean, come on, the Tim Walls.
00:32:45.200 We're so close to launching right now.
00:32:46.940 We've been doing all the final polishes, it's getting so nice.
00:32:50.060 I really just want the product that hits the shelves to be something that people can be proud of.
00:32:54.800 And I feel like we're there, we're waiting for the final ad to be made.
00:32:57.740 It might actually go live before this episode does, but so if it does, you know, check it out.
00:33:01.820 Yeah, well, you might throw the promo video in here.
00:33:04.860 Sadly, we're still a few days away from the promo video being done,
00:33:07.980 but we probably are going to have the first final draft done today, which is exciting.
00:33:13.060 Although, for any who can't wait, here is the first 15 seconds of the promo.
00:33:17.340 Frankly, we're terrified to send our kids into the legacy school system.
00:33:21.020 To that end, my wife and I built the Collins Institute,
00:33:23.820 a comprehensive interactive map or skill tree comprising all of human knowledge.
00:33:28.500 The platform is designed to be usable as soon as a student gets comfortable with reading
00:33:32.120 and goes about midway through a PhD in most subjects.
00:33:35.060 If you want to get to the end, yeah, it could be kind of fun.
00:33:39.020 But yeah, I'm just saying like there are actually state laws.
00:33:42.100 There is actually legislation in place that can empower teachers to not tell parents
00:33:48.800 as kids start to go through the process of transitioning.
00:33:52.480 And I think that addressing those is important.
00:33:54.920 If parents are at least informed, it doesn't matter how radicalized teachers are.
00:33:59.080 Parents can then have conversations with their children
00:34:01.660 and at least have a part in the de-radicalization process.
00:34:07.380 You know, of course, there are like plenty of bits about how like,
00:34:10.700 you know, conservative parents hear that their daughter has decided to transition.
00:34:14.580 And so then they decide to transition to and start making fun of it.
00:34:17.780 And the daughter like chooses to not, you know,
00:34:20.400 because it's not cool anymore.
00:34:21.360 Because now dad's dressing like a girl and affirming her.
00:34:24.200 And she doesn't like that because now it's not cool anymore.
00:34:26.000 It's like, I'm just saying, yes, I understand your point.
00:34:29.760 And you cannot undo the progressive nature of many public school teachers.
00:34:34.800 That said, you can absolutely change the legislation that makes it hard for parents to intervene
00:34:41.600 when their children start getting radicalized and their culture starts being torn from them
00:34:47.060 and they start being converted really heavily.
00:34:50.000 Don't you agree?
00:34:52.060 No.
00:34:53.100 No.
00:34:53.640 From getting to that point.
00:34:54.920 The moment you realize that this is happening, it's usually too late.
00:34:58.660 It's because you found the hormone pills that they've been taking for the past six months.
00:35:03.220 I disagree.
00:35:04.840 I think, you know, if teachers, you know, have to report, for example, to parents that
00:35:10.860 their kid is asked to go by a different pronoun or something.
00:35:14.560 They don't have to report that.
00:35:15.600 Are you saying you want to change the law around that?
00:35:17.300 Right now, they're legally mandated to not report that.
00:35:19.840 That's what I'm saying is the laws around protecting that are making it harder for parents to catch things
00:35:24.920 before they go too far.
00:35:26.520 Okay.
00:35:26.900 So change the law around that.
00:35:27.920 Yeah.
00:35:28.080 That makes sense.
00:35:28.620 Like if a parent, the thing is, and I've listened to so many interviews with detransitioners and it never starts
00:35:35.520 immediately as I am a girl.
00:35:38.820 I am a boy.
00:35:39.660 It starts as I'm a they, them.
00:35:41.700 I want to try this out.
00:35:42.780 Yeah, and they start by so commonly it's just being non-binary or changing to a new nickname and it's just playing around with it.
00:35:53.560 And parents can very subtly start having meaningful conversations with their kids about things like body dysmorphia, about their discomfort, about, you know, other things going on in their life.
00:36:03.820 Sometimes the stress that drives people to body dysmorphia or to turning to gender affirming care is because there are big problems elsewhere in life.
00:36:11.620 I mean, all of my times when I started doing things to hurt myself when I was an adolescent, like when I started starving myself, it was because of the stress that I experienced at school and school really wasn't working for me.
00:36:21.900 And the way I dealt with that was by by starving myself and other kids are dealing with this by trying to change their identity by transitioning.
00:36:31.380 This is these are all areas where parents can start to intervene.
00:36:34.280 So I disagree with you that it's not like, OK, once they've that once they've started to explore, they them, they can't go back.
00:36:40.960 They absolutely can.
00:36:42.820 Yeah, but your your your job is like 99 percent harder at that point.
00:36:47.740 So because by telling them to go back or by getting them to question,
00:36:51.900 this in any way, you are now seen as abusive to them and they then will begin to quarantine any their their mind, any ideas you are putting in there, which is why you need to give them a full understanding of human sexuality before the school presents an alternate understanding of.
00:37:06.980 Well, yeah, and well, and also a full understanding of what transitioning is and what gender affirming care is.
00:37:12.320 Most of the people coming into this, like we did an episode on Planned Parenthood, what young women are being told, for example, before given testosterone is they're having.
00:37:22.520 Often just two hour consultations with someone at Planned Parenthood where they list very few of the symptoms of transitioning, like two, two symptoms, one being like vaginal dryness, which is like, oh, who cares?
00:37:34.460 Right. And then they go in and they don't understand.
00:37:37.780 Now, if you educate your kids well before puberty about not only puberty and sex ed and all that, but also like, by the way, one thing that people often do at this time or that more people are doing is they're transitioning.
00:37:49.720 They're taking gender blocking hormones.
00:37:51.120 Here are the impacts, you know, fertility, osteoporosis, IQ hit, like, here's what happens.
00:37:57.300 It's irreversible.
00:37:58.420 Then they're going to come into this really differently because, again, what people are being told is it's reversible and that it doesn't cause any problems and that it has all these benefits.
00:38:07.900 Yeah, well, and I think share them pictures and video of the surgery in the same way that they used to, you know, they scared our generation out of pregnancy by showing people like videos of pregnancy.
00:38:17.840 Snacky Smalls presents The Miracle of Childbirth.
00:38:22.380 Here we can see the water breaking.
00:38:24.140 Ew!
00:38:24.960 Later, the contractions are happening closer together.
00:38:27.340 Mom sure is in a lot of pain.
00:38:29.400 We can see the crown of the baby's head stretching the vaginal walls in ways never before thought possible by mom.
00:38:35.480 Waaaa!
00:38:37.840 That's right.
00:38:38.800 I never saw any of those.
00:38:40.200 Oh, yeah, they did that where I was.
00:38:42.540 Just go through videos of it, you know, and they'll be like, oh, okay, this is not something.
00:38:46.160 Because a lot of the, what I've heard is the way that they sell the medical transition to people, they don't really explain what's happening.
00:38:55.000 They, like, explain it super quickly and in super short euphemisms.
00:38:58.380 And that most of the detransitioners are like, if I actually understood what was going to happen to my body, I wouldn't have done it.
00:39:05.440 Yeah, like, getting a mastectomy can actually be pretty, like, there are two ways to do it.
00:39:10.020 I think in one way you have to have little ports to, like, drain the pus or something.
00:39:13.500 And then another way you try not to, but then it can lead to a lot of bruising and internal bleeding.
00:39:18.860 Yeah, it gets, it gets pretty intense for sure.
00:39:23.360 So, yeah.
00:39:24.780 Horrifying.
00:39:25.260 Love you to death, Simone.
00:39:26.500 I am so glad that I'm married.
00:39:28.180 It's funny how it all comes back to anime in the end.
00:39:30.460 Yeah, it all comes back to anime in the end.
00:39:32.080 Yeah, you got to make sure you have good manga supplies at these places, right?
00:39:34.980 That's whatever you're, I've actually heard that that's, like, the one thing that still a lot of people read.
00:39:39.220 Oh my gosh, yeah.
00:39:39.880 Well, and it's, it's just, yeah, physically, although there's so many great apps for it now, too.
00:39:44.960 You know why I think it is?
00:39:46.120 We have to plug, we have to plug, what is it, dating advice from the Duke of Hell?
00:39:50.140 Love advice from the Duke of Hell.
00:39:50.580 Oh, yeah, it's a great, like, online comic.
00:39:52.560 So good.
00:39:52.900 Hold on, this is the thing about, like, manga, right?
00:39:55.340 And it's actually interesting why I think manga has continued to do well.
00:39:57.840 It's because it hasn't been captured in the same way that the publishing industry has.
00:40:03.520 As we remarked in our other video on the publishing industry, right now, most of the publishing industry is just a pet project to the publishers and doesn't make them money.
00:40:12.000 They really make money basically just off of Bibles and back sales, which is a shame that it's going to all the rest of this horrifying stuff, right?
00:40:20.060 But anyway, so then they funnel the money from that into making the industry.
00:40:24.760 But it also means that they're not really focused on, like, making money in the industry, which means that they're okay with kicking out talented writers if they don't fit their agenda, right?
00:40:32.540 Which is why all of the teen novels are so boring and by the books these days.
00:40:36.180 It's why all the stuff coming out of the industry is boring and by the books.
00:40:39.400 And it's why when kids want something that has any degree of intellectual vitality to it, they have to go to non-woke markets.
00:40:47.460 In the same way that I think that that's why a lot of conservatives watch anime these days is because in the United States, the market is so, what's the word here, a little terrible, right?
00:40:58.840 Yeah.
00:40:59.480 You know, if you want to go watch movies or shows, like, they're all, like, woke-ified, right?
00:41:03.620 Like, they don't even seem to care about making money anymore.
00:41:05.980 It's bizarre almost.
00:41:07.120 It's bizarre.
00:41:37.120 One of the four ways the EA community got started was the Harry Potter.
00:41:39.420 Oh, yeah.
00:41:39.960 Yeah, the Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.
00:41:42.680 But so much better than that is, and you can find this on Webtoons, although apparently print copy is coming out.
00:41:48.580 It's going to be in Barnes & Noble soon, so I'm so excited.
00:41:50.980 It's by the French author and illustrator Unfinz, and it is called Love Advice from the Great Duke of Hell.
00:41:56.920 I have not stayed up late to read something, like, to the point of being sleep-deprived since I was maybe 13 years old.
00:42:04.960 And this, I could not, I could not put it down.
00:42:09.220 It is so freaking, like, laughing out loud.
00:42:12.420 It's just so good.
00:42:13.520 I got you into it, right?
00:42:14.960 You got me into it.
00:42:15.720 Yes, you did.
00:42:16.260 Yeah.
00:42:16.660 Good.
00:42:17.380 Yeah.
00:42:17.880 So good.
00:42:18.880 Anyway.
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00:42:54.940 All right.
00:42:55.400 Love you to that.
00:42:56.300 I love you too, gorgeous.
00:42:57.380 What do you want for dinner, by the way?
00:43:00.740 I figured we can do a pasta bar for you again, where you have, like, your pesto.
00:43:04.580 We have mac and cheese.
00:43:05.200 I'm going to do bao tonight.
00:43:06.320 Because I've been having chips, and I'm pretty full.
00:43:08.560 So maybe I'm going to do two pieces of bao.
00:43:10.620 Just two?
00:43:11.200 Not all four?
00:43:13.420 No, two.
00:43:14.480 Two.
00:43:15.460 Just two bao.
00:43:16.080 Four is a lot of bao.
00:43:17.060 Okay, and you can pack the car, I'll steam the bao, and you get the kids?
00:43:21.580 Yeah, of course.
00:43:22.660 Okay.
00:43:23.160 I love you, gorgeous.
00:43:24.120 I love you too.
00:43:27.460 He's doing a new one called Vampire Family.
00:43:30.140 Ooh, that sounds cute.
00:43:31.200 I know!
00:43:32.400 I need to check it out.
00:43:33.160 I need to see if I can.
00:43:33.900 Hello, Simone!
00:43:46.040 You getting a little distracted there, playing drums on a child?
00:43:49.880 Are you beating her repeatedly?
00:43:53.540 Well, we know we have to beat our children.
00:43:55.180 With rhythm, of course.
00:43:56.300 With rhythm, of course.
00:43:57.500 Yeah, I mean, we've got to get into it, right?
00:43:59.440 You know, if you don't savor the beating.
00:44:04.060 She's just got the cutest smile on her face.
00:44:06.100 I just can't.
00:44:07.240 You're going to pick her up and show the camera?
00:44:08.640 You can't not let the audience see.
00:44:10.940 I don't know if she'll keep smiling, because she likes being beaten.
00:44:14.940 She doesn't want to smile when she's not being beaten.
00:44:16.940 Yeah, I mean, our little masochist, this one, right?
00:44:19.980 Yeah.
00:44:20.280 Anyway.