Based Camp - The Two Enemies of Pronatalism

00:00:00.000 One, increases fertility on its own, like xenophobia increases fertility on its own.

00:00:04.280 But in addition to that, it also lowers the economic potential of a group, further increasing

00:00:09.340 its fertility in that direction, which means you're getting this cluster of strategies,

00:00:14.520 low economic output, high xenophobia, high technophobia, which cluster together into

00:00:21.380 one branch of winning cultural strategies, which by far today is the cultural strategy

00:00:27.840 which is out-competing all others in terms of fertility.

00:00:30.240 A lot of them believe that at the end of the day, there's just going to be one religion,

00:00:34.780 one culture in the world.

00:00:35.780 That's it.

00:00:36.380 There can only be one.

00:00:37.960 As we say, they are highlandering it.

00:00:40.540 And so essentially, the true enemy of the pronatalist cause, not the immediate enemy, the urban monoculture,

00:00:49.840 which is serving as a very simplistic villain for us right now, a villain on easy mode that

00:00:56.120 is meant to prepare us for the true danger which comes after us, which it is to a large

00:01:01.880 extent protecting us from, which is a world full of technophobic, aggressive, ultra-religious 0.99

00:01:10.220 extremists that want everyone who's not them dead.

00:01:14.880 Would you like to know more?

00:01:17.160 Hello, Simone! 1.00

00:01:19.500 Hi, gorgeous.

00:01:20.580 Too much energy?

00:01:21.860 Never.

00:01:22.280 So this episode is going to be a bit of a follow-up from the last episode, but it's

00:01:28.820 also going to be a standalone, so you can watch these likely in either order.

00:01:33.440 And they're going to touch related to, but divergent concepts.

00:01:38.060 And you'll include a link to the first one in case people want in the description?

00:01:41.940 Yeah, I could actually do the thing in YouTube where I, like, tag the first one.

00:01:45.560 Do that, you young technophilic person.

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00:01:56.360 like, open it in a different tab to watch after you're done with this one.

00:01:59.680 Okay?

00:02:00.300 Great.

00:02:03.020 So with this episode, what we are going to discuss is the two enemies of pronatalism.

00:02:09.780 So let's talk about sort of what pronatalism is more broadly.

00:02:14.340 It is a movement dedicated to ensuring the preservation of a pluralistic and diverse human

00:02:22.680 species.

00:02:24.360 And people would be like, well, why that?

00:02:26.320 Why not just, like, increasing birth rates?

00:02:28.440 Because if we do nothing, what's going to happen is we're going to have a crash in human

00:02:34.360 fertility rates.

00:02:35.020 We're going to have a crash in the world's economy.

00:02:36.600 Both of which are things that are still going to happen if we do something.

00:02:39.920 But a few groups will come to power and basically erase everyone else.

00:02:45.480 That's what it looks like is the path that we're going on.

00:02:48.240 We're going on sort of a monoculture of a species where, like, one or two or maybe three,

00:02:53.660 if we're lucky, if our group just completely fails, cultural and ethnic groups will be the 1.00

00:02:59.240 only things left of our species and they will wipe out the rest.

00:03:03.140 And that is absolutely terrifying to us because I think that one of our greatest strengths is

00:03:09.380 our diversity.

00:03:10.300 And I also think that in this unengaged world, the groups that end up wiping out most of the

00:03:16.340 other groups are going to be quite technophobic, i.e.

00:03:19.060 we are moving back to a dark ages of extremist religious tribalism.

00:03:25.460 Yep.

00:03:25.620 And that is not great, not great at all.

00:03:30.120 And so what we are trying to do is build an alliance of the individuals that are high

00:03:36.220 fertility and do want to exist in the future and the cultural groups that are high fertility

00:03:42.460 and do want to exist in the future.

00:03:44.140 And this alliance means something.

00:03:46.400 If you are a culture that is high fertility, sort of axiomatically, you differentiate significantly

00:03:52.220 from the dominant culture in our society right now.

00:03:54.700 It is a very low fertility cultural group.

00:03:57.800 This is what we call the cult or the urban monoculture or the virus, whatever you want

00:04:01.120 to call it.

00:04:01.880 It is this large culture that exists in pretty much every major city in the world today.

00:04:08.620 And when we say that, what I mean is if I look at the culture in London versus New York

00:04:17.600 versus Boston, they're all going to be much more similar to each other.

00:04:20.760 Or Paris, more similar to each other than they are to just like, I go a few hours to like

00:04:25.180 the Amish or like the Hasidic population or something like that.

00:04:28.340 These high fertility populations almost definitionally need to differentiate.

00:04:34.000 And our culture, the culture, our family practice, it differentiates a lot from the urban monoculture.

00:04:37.460 And what this means is that the first enemy that the pronatalist movement is facing is this urban monoculture.

00:04:48.380 And that is because the urban monoculture, being very low fertility, can only replenish its ranks by converting 0.99

00:04:55.940 the children of nearby demographically healthy cultural groups.

00:04:59.680 And those are becoming increasingly rare.

00:05:01.680 So it is becoming increasingly aggressive in these convergent policies.

00:05:07.100 And these convergent policies are a danger to every single high fertility cultural group,

00:05:14.660 because those groups, you know, almost the more high fertility they are, the more they

00:05:18.720 differentiate from the cultural group.

00:05:20.060 And the more they are producing something of value to that cultural group, which it wishes

00:05:23.920 to mine in a way that destroys.

00:05:26.760 I mean, we often liken it to cultural genocide, but it's not really traditional cultural genocide.

00:05:32.700 Yes, it is driven by a hatred and dehumanization of these cultural groups.

00:05:37.900 You know, they see them as deplorable and savages, as most people do in committing cultural genocide.

00:05:42.140 But it's also a necessary genocide.

00:05:45.100 It is a parasitic by design cultural group that cannot survive without cannibalizing its neighbors. 1.00

00:05:56.600 And so you can almost think of it like, you know, it's not that we hate this cultural group, right? 0.57

00:06:04.200 But if you're going to save the fly, you kill the spider.

00:06:07.460 If you save the flies without killing the spider, eventually the spider dies anyway, you know?

00:06:14.240 And so all of us, all of the perinatalist communities are banding together right now to defend ourselves

00:06:23.160 against this one cultural group.

00:06:24.580 And we frame it very much as the enemy.

00:06:27.020 The important thing to note is, one, it is the lesser of the two enemies that the perinatalist 0.77

00:06:32.860 movement is bound to face.

00:06:33.920 It is the kinder of the two enemies we are bound to face.

00:06:38.000 And it is an enemy that when it dies, and it will die, because if you look intergenerationally,

00:06:42.980 things like Amish communities, you can look at their, like, deconversion rates. 1.00

00:06:45.580 They've gone down over and over again.

00:06:47.060 Communities that live next to it are getting better and better at defending themselves.

00:06:49.820 And that's one of the reasons it's so pro-immigration right now, because the only way it can get new 0.99

00:06:52.980 children is by importing them from cultural groups that aren't quite as wary.

00:06:57.680 But even recent immigrant populations are becoming incredibly wary of it.

00:07:00.460 Like, if you look at the perinatalist movement, many people are surprised at how heavy it is

00:07:04.900 in first-generation immigrant families.

00:07:06.920 And it's like, yeah, because they are often the most perinatalist, because they are recent

00:07:11.000 immigrants from high-fertility areas, and they understand the value of their own culture,

00:07:14.380 and they want to preserve it.

00:07:15.460 And they like the idea, which is what America told them it was.

00:07:19.940 You know, when America said, come over, it goes, oh, come here, you'll get riches.

00:07:23.100 We're realistic.

00:07:24.320 You know, many different cultures exist alongside each other.

00:07:26.660 And then they get here, and they go, okay, well, now that you're here, your children are

00:07:32.720 going to have to go to a school where their history and traditions will be erased.

00:07:36.140 They will learn that they are allowed to identify however they want.

00:07:39.220 They can identify as your ancestral culture, but they are not allowed to differ in their

00:07:42.740 beliefs around sexuality, around gender, around morality, around what should be the future

00:07:47.480 of our species, on how we should relate to the environment, on the way you should interact

00:07:52.020 with other religious and cultural traditions.

00:07:54.000 And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:07:55.600 I came here because I heard that we could, like, be different and all work together while

00:08:00.040 maintaining our differences.

00:08:02.040 And then they look at the peronatalist movement, and they're like, oh, you guys are what America

00:08:05.740 was telling everyone it was.

00:08:07.640 Yeah, let's join that thing. 0.98

00:08:09.660 That thing looks like what I signed up for. 0.61

00:08:13.300 So anyway, to the point here, this enemy is, to some extent, witless.

00:08:19.320 When it takes over an organization or a community, it typically makes it very ineffective.

00:08:23.380 We can look at the large companies that have been infected by it.

00:08:26.780 One of the things we've pointed out on this show is that once a community adapts racist

00:08:33.020 belief systems, economically, it tends to undercompete its neighbors and undercompete what it did

00:08:39.240 historically.

00:08:40.340 And this is seen in the virus or the cult communities.

00:08:45.940 Wokeism, and what they call anti-racism, it just labels everything the exact opposite of

00:08:51.040 what it is, is, like, one of the most racist widespread philosophies in the world today.

00:08:57.500 And we will see what we always see with racist communities, which is a collapse economically

00:09:02.300 of the individuals who hold it.

00:09:03.500 When people say, go woke, get broke, what they are saying is that when you become racist,

00:09:08.760 you end up economically undercompeting your neighbors, whose minds are not blinded by this

00:09:16.520 sort of systemic elitism and prejudice against this specific cultural group.

00:09:22.200 Right.

00:09:23.140 Anyway, so, but who is the other enemy?

00:09:26.360 What is the real enemy that we are terrified of?

00:09:29.360 The real enemy we are terrified of comes from the fact that the two dominant cultural strategies

00:09:35.560 right now for high fertility are disengaging with the economy, either preventing your members

00:09:41.860 from working or doing something that lowers the economic potential, like preventing them

00:09:47.540 from getting a traditional education.

00:09:49.580 And anything that decreases an individual's economic potential is going to increase the

00:09:53.760 fertility of a community.

00:09:55.260 The other thing is to increase restrictions on how your community engages with technology.

00:09:59.540 The more your community disengages with technology, the higher fertility.

00:10:02.280 And this is true within communities.

00:10:03.300 So you look at like Amish or Mennonite or the general Anabaptist sphere of communities,

00:10:07.440 the ones that are the most disengaging of technology are the highest fertility rates. 0.85

00:10:11.820 And the ones that are the most using of technology of fertility rates that are about the same as

00:10:15.600 the English, i.e. people who are not Anabaptists.

00:10:17.840 And this matters because it means that anyone who is trying even a lightened form of one of

00:10:22.600 these cultural strategies, the iterations of their movement that try the most extreme forms

00:10:27.080 of these cultural strategies will out-compete the lighter forms of these cultural strategies.

00:10:30.740 Unless the lighter forms of these cultural strategies maintain complete cultural isolation from the

00:10:36.180 more extreme forms of these strategies, which is unlikely because typically the groups practicing

00:10:39.960 the lighter forms of these strategies are these softer cultural groups.

00:10:43.900 This requires some unpacking.

00:10:45.320 Do you want to explain what I just said, Simone?

00:10:46.880 Repeat your statement just so I make sure I talk about the right circle of things.

00:10:53.240 Okay.

00:10:54.520 What I was saying was, is that incrementally, any collection of groups, like related family

00:11:02.780 of cultures that increases its fertility rate or protects its fertility rate by disengaging

00:11:09.040 with technology or economically crippling its own members, the iterations of that culture

00:11:14.540 that do that more extremely, fertility-wise, out-compete the ones that do it less extremely.

00:11:19.980 Right, right.

00:11:20.560 The problem being is that you could have some intergenerationally stable, yes, lower fertility,

00:11:28.040 but still isolated, less extreme version of one of these.

00:11:31.520 The problem being is that the less extreme versions are often soft in cultures, which means that

00:11:36.440 they either bleed out into the main culture or bleed into the more extreme versions.

00:11:42.540 You said it really well, do you?

00:11:44.140 Okay, I guess I don't need to ask.

00:11:45.620 I just want to get you more engaged so people don't feel like I'm not giving you a chance

00:11:49.200 to comment on this.

00:11:50.240 I mean, do you have any comments on what I've said so far?

00:11:52.900 No.

00:11:53.420 I mean, this is just how we see things playing out.

00:11:57.160 I can't really-

00:11:58.000 It seems really obviously true so far, I think.

00:11:59.280 Yeah.

00:11:59.520 I mean, especially given the data that we've seen, both in terms of who we know is still experiencing

00:12:05.740 high birth rates now, and plus who we've seen in the history of the human race having

00:12:10.760 high birth rates in the past.

00:12:11.940 It checks out.

00:12:12.860 The other thing we've seen is a cultural strategy and likely even a genetic strategy

00:12:16.640 because this does have a genetic link, which is the far-right authoritarian personality

00:12:20.240 cluster, which has nothing to do with right-leaning politics.

00:12:23.320 It's found in left-leaning individuals as well.

00:12:24.880 It's what you would see in an Antifa member or something like that.

00:12:26.940 It just means an extreme tendency to dehumanize people who aren't in your cultural group and

00:12:31.960 an extreme tendency to prefer extremist hierarchical structures.

00:12:36.540 So this strategy, like xenophobia basically, is a winning cultural strategy. 0.93

00:12:40.500 That is the one thing I will say for it.

00:12:41.880 It does increase fertility rates.

00:12:43.940 And it's not necessarily like crazy evil xenophobia.

00:12:49.060 We've noticed that in more diverse nations, birth rates seem to be higher than in really homogenous

00:12:55.080 nations.

00:12:56.200 And these aren't diverse nations that necessarily have huge levels of intergroup, either culturally

00:13:01.640 or ethnic antagonism.

00:13:03.160 However, there could be some xenophobia that motivates groups to kind of subconsciously feel

00:13:08.960 really excited about kind of representing themselves more.

00:13:11.660 Like maybe there's something that kicks in when you feel like you're surrounded by others

00:13:14.940 that makes you want to grow your own community.

00:13:18.160 That is likely true.

00:13:19.360 However, and I would ask you to just search your brain to see if you can think of any

00:13:22.800 counterexamples to this.

00:13:23.820 Outside of East Asian cultures, they are unique and they have different practices.

00:13:29.840 The more xenophobic a cultural group is, the higher their fertility rates.

00:13:33.420 Yeah.

00:13:33.620 I mean, it seems that way.

00:13:35.480 Okay.

00:13:35.860 So I'm talking about even extreme xenophobia.

00:13:38.200 So if you're talking about extremely xenophobic cultures, they're extremely high fertility.

00:13:42.300 Yeah.

00:13:43.300 Okay.

00:13:44.260 So that means it's a winning, like it will increase in the future, right?

00:13:48.800 Yeah.

00:13:48.960 For obvious reasons, you know.

00:13:50.420 As we've mentioned again and again, it also lowers the economic potential of a community.

00:13:55.500 Was that in the last one?

00:13:57.080 Anyway, the point being is that in many ways, the reason why, so racism, one, increases fertility

00:14:03.800 on its own.

00:14:04.840 Like xenophobia increases fertility on its own.

00:14:07.060 But in addition to that, it also lowers the economic potential of a group, further increasing

00:14:11.860 its fertility in that direction, which means you're getting this cluster of strategies,

00:14:17.840 low economic output, high xenophobia, high technophobia, which cluster together into like

00:14:25.440 one branch of winning cultural strategies, which by far today is the cultural strategy,

00:14:31.660 which is outcompeting all others in terms of fertility. 0.98

00:14:34.060 And I would say that this is accurate.

00:14:37.140 This seems accurate on average, but actually like when I think about Japan, for example,

00:14:42.020 it is...

00:14:42.460 I said, except for East Asian. 0.99

00:14:44.000 East Asian.

00:14:44.520 Oh, thank you.

00:14:45.200 Okay.

00:14:45.440 Yeah.

00:14:45.660 With that big exception.

00:14:46.720 We're going to talk about East Asian cultures in a separate video because a totally different

00:14:50.720 thing is going to happen over there.

00:14:52.160 Okay.

00:14:52.200 Yeah.

00:14:52.420 We just don't need to talk about it right now.

00:14:53.920 Okay.

00:14:54.860 It's going to be equally interesting and a bit harder for us to predict, but most of us have

00:14:59.220 lived in East Asian countries.

00:15:00.260 So we're going to be, I guess, better at predicting it than other people might be.

00:15:04.840 So what this means, and a lot of people look at this and they go, oh, all of this is code

00:15:11.580 for Muslims.

00:15:15.760 They're talking about Muslims.

00:15:17.280 And no, there are Jewish groups and there are Christian groups and there are even Buddhist 0.98

00:15:23.800 groups that are highly xenophobic and technophobic and murdery. 0.96

00:15:29.860 I guess I'd call them.

00:15:30.620 And that's another thing about this cultural cluster is they have a practice which makes

00:15:36.140 them axiomatically impossible to ever integrate with the pronatalist agenda, which is that they

00:15:43.280 believe often, this is very common within these cultural traditions, but it's not true

00:15:48.260 amongst all of them.

00:15:48.900 Like it's not true amongst the Amish, which would be very good allies to the pronatalist 0.98

00:15:52.260 movement, which we can talk about later.

00:15:53.620 But a lot of them believe that at the end of the day, there's just going to be one religion,

00:15:58.620 often one ethnicity and one culture in the world.

00:16:01.840 And some of them will just say one religion, one culture in the world.

00:16:04.460 That's it.

00:16:05.060 There can only be one.

00:16:06.640 As we say, they are Highlandering it. 0.85

00:16:09.260 So in the short term, they work as allies with us because we have the same enemy, which

00:16:15.080 is the urban monoculture.

00:16:16.220 But in the long term, they will be at odds with us and all of the other, we would call 1.00

00:16:23.280 them symbiotic cultural groups, which do not believe it is their job to wipe out all

00:16:26.720 other cultures in the world.

00:16:28.120 And there are various levels of potential allegiance.

00:16:32.140 There are some cultures which say they eventually want to wipe out all other cultures in the world,

00:16:36.740 but they just don't ever seem to act on it or they don't seem to be able to motivate

00:16:40.720 action on it anymore.

00:16:42.700 And so they are safe-ish to work with in the short term.

00:16:47.680 There are cultures that will say, okay, but we can work with other groups because we are

00:16:58.140 such a minority right now and we will only become dangerous when we become the majority.

00:17:02.980 And so you need to keep an eye on those groups.

00:17:05.260 But again, this isn't a one religious thing.

00:17:07.220 You know, there are examples of Buddhist cultures, Jewish cultures, Christian cultures, Muslim cultures

00:17:11.900 that fall into this category.

00:17:12.900 And there are iterations of all of those traditions which are able to be genuinely pluralistic

00:17:18.060 or at least sort of detente pluralistic, meaning that-

00:17:21.360 Right, right.

00:17:22.180 Yeah.

00:17:22.980 For now.

00:17:24.340 And this is important because a lot of people, they're not aware.

00:17:26.400 Like they don't know about like the really bloody like Buddhist revolts in places like 1.00

00:17:31.800 Sri Lanka and stuff like that.

00:17:33.160 And like, they don't know, you know, if you look at the prenatalist movement, we actually

00:17:36.600 have a lot, not a lot, but I'd say a number of Muslim cultural groups that are allied with

00:17:42.400 the movement.

00:17:42.880 Most of them are African immigrant populations that are not, and you might ask, well, why 0.85

00:17:47.560 are they not as, because they have sort of more of a, I guess I call it a tribalistic

00:17:53.760 mindset that is okay with intergenerational alliances with people who are different from

00:17:57.920 them, which is not true, which of some other Muslim cultural groups, which are just, you 0.91

00:18:05.620 know, like, like some Christian cultural groups, there can only be one.

00:18:08.420 And, and one of the interesting things when we talk about the two enemies is some Christian 1.00

00:18:13.380 cultural groups think that they're signaling, I especially see this with some groups of,

00:18:17.920 of tradcasts and stuff like that, how like cool they are by saying there can only be

00:18:22.600 one to like other pro natalists in like a multicultural pro natalist environment, like

00:18:27.800 they'll, they'll be going to like the natalist conference that we're going to.

00:18:30.400 And it's like, look, this is a conference being put together by Mormon separatists, the Desnat 0.70

00:18:36.620 Mormons are the people who are putting it together.

00:18:38.420 And we are, you know, technophilic, like secular Calvinists.

00:18:42.980 You were saying to the two people who are like the most dominant individuals within this 0.99

00:18:48.180 cultural context, we plan to kill you one day. 1.00

00:18:50.660 Hey, let's come together and all work out or deconvert your children or, you know, whatever 0.99

00:18:56.800 these individuals are, obviously you're like that individual in a D and D group that is

00:19:02.240 all aligned good.

00:19:03.140 And you're like the one aligned evil person.

00:19:05.160 And they're like, obviously working with you in the short run, but in the long run, you

00:19:09.000 are very obviously a threat and they are aware of that. 0.89

00:19:12.020 And they are planning for that, which is, you know, I, I, I thank God that they are so witless

00:19:17.520 right now.

00:19:18.000 I suspect that some of the individuals who claim to be interested in multicultural pluralism

00:19:24.060 are just smarter iterations of them that know to not loudly broadcast it all the time and

00:19:29.800 only talk about it privately behind closed doors.

00:19:32.640 And at the very least I can appreciate their shrewdness.

00:19:35.980 I don't know.

00:19:36.260 To me, there's something very gentlemanly about it.

00:19:38.540 Like, it reminds me of some, you know, historical action novels where, you know, you have two

00:19:44.600 enemies who respect each other as rivals that are like, well, I'm going to try to destroy

00:19:49.540 you, but I, you know, I admire your form.

00:19:51.480 And, you know, like for a moment they may come together to fight some impediment to their

00:19:55.600 larger shared battle.

00:19:57.660 I don't know.

00:19:58.100 So I, you can also look at it in a more.

00:20:00.160 Yeah.

00:20:00.800 Well, and I think where this question is going to become more interesting to us is what happens

00:20:04.500 when one of these dominating cultural groups is also attempting a technophilic strategy.

00:20:10.520 Right.

00:20:11.240 Currently, none of them are.

00:20:12.400 Not a single one of them is a technophilic.

00:20:13.700 Oh, yeah, right.

00:20:14.520 I mean, we'd hardly be dominant, but we are very technophilic.

00:20:17.880 But yeah, we're not dominating, but we're technophilic.

00:20:19.820 If you look at the other technophilic cultural groups, they typically are not dominating as

00:20:24.840 cultural strategies.

00:20:25.960 Well, I mean, you, the, the, the cult, essentially the, the woke virus riddled cult that runs society

00:20:31.820 now is both dominating and technophilic, but because it's low fertility.

00:20:35.600 Yeah, it is both dominating and technophilic.

00:20:36.960 That is a good point.

00:20:37.920 It is an example of a dominating technophilic cultural group.

00:20:40.340 And the only reason we don't take it very seriously is we, we understand that most other

00:20:44.620 cultures that it uses to get fodder, to get human capital will eventually become resistant

00:20:50.000 to it.

00:20:50.480 So we don't think it has long-term potential.

00:20:52.960 Yeah.

00:20:53.100 And so essentially the true enemy of the pronatalist cause, not the immediate enemy, which is the

00:21:02.240 urban monoculture, which we sort of see like the God Emperor of Dune, the, the threat that

00:21:07.980 brings us all together.

00:21:09.300 Or if you've seen Code Geass, the emperor that, that acts fascist at the end to bring everyone

00:21:15.080 together of different, different cultural groups to finally put aside their, their differences

00:21:19.920 is that they can intergenerationally work together.

00:21:23.460 That is what it is serving us.

00:21:25.240 It is serving as a very simplistic villain for us right now, a villain on easy mode that

00:21:31.600 is meant to prepare us for the true danger, which comes after us, which it is to a large

00:21:37.360 extent protecting us from, which is a world full of technophobic, aggressive, ultra religious 1.00

00:21:45.620 extremists that want everyone who's not them dead.

00:21:49.920 And in the other video, similar to this, we talked about sort of a network of haven states.

00:21:55.880 These are small technophilic cultural groups, which are communicating with each other, trading

00:22:01.080 with each other, and that work together and that respect their, their cultural differences

00:22:05.280 and are working to bring back civilization after we enter this next dark age.

00:22:09.900 And that is sort of the, now we can try to predict what that network is going to look

00:22:16.320 like, who are going to be the important players in it, but it's difficult right now.

00:22:21.820 If I, as an outsider was going to say, who is obviously going to be the biggest player

00:22:25.640 in it, Israel, Israel is just obviously going to be the bigger Israel, maybe some of the

00:22:30.640 transhumanist Mormons. 0.70

00:22:32.700 That's more speculative.

00:22:33.760 And even Israel speculative.

00:22:35.120 So Israel would be, and that it is already a city. 0.55

00:22:39.300 It's already technophilic.

00:22:40.140 It's already happening.

00:22:40.680 Well, I guess, but the highest growing populations within Israel are not technophilic, right?

00:22:44.840 They're technophobic populations.

00:22:45.920 So that's the problem.

00:22:47.020 Yeah.

00:22:47.520 And so Israel might be, if it can develop a technophilic iteration of the traditions, 0.86

00:22:56.900 which are growing really quickly within it.

00:22:58.900 And I believe it can, and I believe the key to doing that is going to be a variety group

00:23:04.940 that embrace genetic selection technology.

00:23:08.140 I think that's really going to be the thing that throws some of them over the edge, but

00:23:12.620 it's difficult.

00:23:14.760 And you can look at our video on, we have a video where we explain Jewish sort of cultural

00:23:19.500 evolution.

00:23:20.460 It's very different than other cultural groups.

00:23:22.340 It's very bottom up, i.e., well, it's better than the video that we talk about it.

00:23:27.140 And I don't want to go deep into it in this one.

00:23:28.900 So it's possible that something evolves, but it won't look exactly like any of the dominant

00:23:34.180 cultural traditions within Israel right now.

00:23:36.800 Right.

00:23:36.920 But I do think it is the biggest likelihood to be sort of the beating heart of the nexus

00:23:41.920 of haven states.

00:23:43.060 Yeah.

00:23:43.420 It could fall.

00:23:44.080 It could fall to technophobic extremists just as much as anyone else.

00:23:48.640 Yeah.

00:23:48.840 But to your point, if a variety group did get super technophilic, at least when it came

00:23:53.980 to reprotech, they would clean up.

00:23:56.700 I mean.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.960 And they're already, as a sort of center for haven states, have the industrial capability

00:24:03.880 to produce advanced weaponry, which will be one of the things that is most necessary

00:24:09.360 among the other haven states.

00:24:11.600 Right.

00:24:12.900 Things like Iron Dome technology and stuff like that would be very, very relevant wherever

00:24:17.380 you are, whichever haven state you're in.

00:24:19.540 So it would already, like it's already culturally specializing in the types of exports that are

00:24:27.180 most relevant in this future that we're heading into, which a lot of people are like, oh, why

00:24:32.880 do you guys simp for Jewish cultural groups so much on your show?

00:24:36.660 It's not just because like we think they're doing the right thing. 1.00

00:24:39.560 It's because we would be stupid. 0.99

00:24:41.260 And anyone who is sort of declaring war on them right now in their, in their, what's 1.00

00:24:47.740 the word I'm looking for? 1.00

00:24:48.900 In their broadcasts is just being incredibly stupid because then who, who do you ally with 0.98

00:24:55.920 in the future? 1.00

00:24:57.360 You know?

00:24:57.840 Who are you going to buy your tech from?

00:24:59.040 Who are you going to turn to for protection and solutions?

00:25:02.180 Yeah.

00:25:03.460 Now what could happen, and this is actually really possible is some of the Muslim cultural 0.99

00:25:08.900 groups that have a ton of money right now could set themselves up like the UAE or Saudi

00:25:15.440 Arabia.

00:25:16.320 And they are very intentional and very specific about how they do this as technophilic elite

00:25:22.480 organizations that oversee a non, a larger non-technophilic population that could happen.

00:25:29.620 And those could become really useful groups to buy technology from.

00:25:34.740 I could see that happening, but they have to play their cards very, very intelligently.

00:25:39.140 And in truth of all of the Muslim populations, those are the least directly anti-Semitic, the 1.00

00:25:47.000 high technology ones, like the ones in the UAE or the ones in Qatar or the ones in Saudi

00:25:52.200 Arabia.

00:25:53.060 So even then, you know, you're likely not really shooting yourself in the foot by allying with

00:25:58.420 Jewish cultural groups in this, this future.

00:26:01.120 Right.

00:26:01.580 Well, but I also, I don't think people are expressing anti-Semitic views because they,

00:26:09.060 you know, don't expect to ally with, no one's thinking long-term like this.

00:26:14.460 They're just being reactionary.

00:26:16.100 So it doesn't even matter.

00:26:17.060 I mean, it's not like they're like, oh, well, the Saudis are going to be the ones I'm going 1.00

00:26:20.060 to need to partner with in the long-term future.

00:26:22.280 No one thinks in the long-term future.

00:26:23.700 You're like one of the few things, like people in the, in the world who's thinking about

00:26:27.280 this stuff.

00:26:28.160 Well, I'm trying to think other cultural groups.

00:26:29.420 As you said, I think the Mormons, I do not think the Mormon transhumanists will be a 1.00

00:26:32.560 relevant group.

00:26:33.020 I think the Mormon separatists would be a relevant group.

00:26:35.360 Oh, I think they both have potential.

00:26:38.800 Yeah, but Desnats for sure.

00:26:39.900 Desnats for sure.

00:26:41.040 They have potential.

00:26:41.760 Not necessarily, but they have potential.

00:26:43.420 Well, I mean, here's the thing though.

00:26:44.420 So like the whole point of why I think desert nationalists have a lot of potential is they 0.99

00:26:49.700 represent an attempt to return to hard Mormon religion.

00:26:54.480 And basically, you know, if you're going to look at hard versus soft, hard is going to

00:26:58.980 be more pronatalist.

00:27:00.500 It's going to last longer.

00:27:01.880 It's going to stay more disciplined.

00:27:03.060 It's going to be less subject to the harms of soft culture.

00:27:08.460 That's to say like failing mental health, failing physical health, et cetera.

00:27:11.640 So like, I don't know, it seems pretty straightforward to me unless they go off the rails with a bunch

00:27:15.700 of weird stuff and go soft in their own way.

00:27:17.840 Well, yeah, I know.

00:27:19.280 And I think that the tradcasts are also likely, there is some iteration of tradcasts that will

00:27:24.240 stay intergenerationally like alliable with, but of all the cultural groups, they are the

00:27:30.580 one to most likely go around and being like, we plan to kill all our allies one day.

00:27:35.400 And it's like, maybe stop saying that.

00:27:38.420 Even if you believe it, you probably want to be at least, I guess I'm just, I like that

00:27:43.700 you see it as like a gentlemanly thing, but yeah, it's, it's not a, a great long-term

00:27:48.500 strategy, but there are iterations of that movement because of all the movements is one

00:27:52.200 of the most likely to be intergenerationally a liable with.

00:27:55.520 And then there's other cultural groups that just like, I guess the, like theologically

00:27:59.900 and culturally seem like they should be dominating cultural groups.

00:28:02.920 It just aren't like we recently got back from being around British individuals and they 1.00

00:28:07.420 are very clearly, I think a Hindi cultural group is definitely going to be one of the major

00:28:12.180 players in the future.

00:28:13.600 They are dominating or not dominating.

00:28:16.700 Yeah.

00:28:17.080 They, they are a non-dominating, very likely to take technophilic strategies, higher fertility

00:28:22.580 than most other technophilic cultural groups.

00:28:25.760 Now they are lower fertility than groups that take technophobic strategies.

00:28:30.060 That is true.

00:28:30.920 But among the technophilic cultural groups, they're one of the highest fertility and they

00:28:35.440 are a very good group to signal alliances with.

00:28:38.960 Yeah.

00:28:39.480 So I'm trying to think what other groups do I know?

00:28:42.900 I guess the next thing to talk about is what ends up happening to East Asia.

00:28:45.880 Well, yeah.

00:28:46.360 I mean, I would, I would wonder if there, like when I was in Japan, there were some cult.

00:28:52.080 We're going to do a different video in East Asia.

00:28:54.660 To talk about the technophilic.

00:28:56.780 Like what happens during the collapse cycle in East Asia.

00:29:00.140 Okay.

00:29:00.860 Because it's not worth talking about in this, this video, but yeah, so this is what the

00:29:05.560 pronatalist movement is really all about.

00:29:07.420 It is about taking this period of safety to build intercommunity and intercultural connections

00:29:14.240 in ways of working with each other to protect our descendants from the, basically the religious 1.00

00:29:26.480 extremists who want to kill them all. 0.89

00:29:28.720 The xenophobic, technophobic, economically unproductive religious extremists who will make up the majority 1.00

00:29:37.120 of the future world's population.

00:29:39.200 And they won't be from any one religious group.

00:29:41.500 They will be from all cultural groups.

00:29:43.820 There will be factions of them from all cultural groups because it is a successful strategy,

00:29:47.600 no matter what cultural group you're from.

00:29:49.280 And there are potentials for technophilic strategies, no matter what cultural group you're from.

00:29:53.320 And it is worth it for the technophilic pluralistic groups to ally together to attempt to preserve

00:30:00.040 what we think of as sort of pluralistic human civilization.

00:30:03.860 What are your thoughts, Simone?

00:30:08.380 People probably may hear this and think that it sounds outlandish and sci-fi and weird,

00:30:15.200 but just look at how things have played out in history and look at the trends.

00:30:19.780 And we challenge you to come up with some other theory that seems more reasonable and predictive.

00:30:26.240 So just because something sounds weird and just because something sounds very, very different

00:30:30.820 doesn't mean that that's never going to happen or it's relegated to fiction.

00:30:34.720 Yeah, things have changed before.

00:30:36.560 And a lot of people think that they're like, oh, well, all of your predictions are requisite

00:30:42.460 on demographic collapse causing an economic collapse of our current economic system, but AI could save us.

00:30:47.700 And as we've mentioned before, no, AI frees the bourgeoisie from the proletariat permanently.

00:30:54.040 They don't need you anymore.

00:30:55.780 And it is not worth it for them, as we have seen in places where collapse has already started, like South Africa.

00:31:02.420 The wealthy are not like giving their money out to the masses to placate them anymore.

00:31:07.360 That made sense in a past global system where there was a large middle class.

00:31:12.820 When the middle class begins to dissolve, it is more economically efficient for the wealthy

00:31:17.320 to not pay for things like UBI, but instead put all of their money into defending their

00:31:21.980 compounds and their own way of life.

00:31:25.120 And that is going to lead to an economic collapse, even if we are dealing with, for the vast majority

00:31:31.060 of people in the world.

00:31:32.380 And I don't think that's through any lack of attempt to first try to make UBI work.

00:31:36.700 But you also have to look at how right now non-billionaires regard the philanthropic work

00:31:43.220 of billionaires.

00:31:44.880 Yes.

00:31:45.300 Whenever billionaires basically try to fix things or try to make things better, it's always

00:31:49.240 how dare you?

00:31:50.400 You're doing this wrong.

00:31:52.180 You know, the nerve of you're trying to come and intervene or, you know, affect our lives.

00:31:56.960 Basically, every time a billionaire tries to make things better, especially for people in

00:32:00.520 a more developed society, they get they get completely demonized for it.

00:32:04.800 So I think after a while, and especially when it comes to like sort of will billionaires

00:32:09.340 survive or not, surviving billionaires and billionaires who actually get more out of life

00:32:13.360 are going to be the ones who fortify their own defenses, partially because the very people

00:32:18.120 that could really benefit from their patronage are going to basically, you know, alienate

00:32:24.120 themselves from them.

00:32:25.900 Well, I also think that billionaires, there's sort of two paths for billionaires, and we've

00:32:30.200 already seen this in the one with three paths.

00:32:32.180 One is they will try to ingratiate themselves with the current cult or virus or whatever

00:32:38.340 you want to say, and they end up just getting disregarded by the public and hated.

00:32:42.140 Examples of this would be like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates.

00:32:45.940 Two is they end up just indolently living their lives as wealthy as possible and sort of

00:32:51.560 gated compounds, and they won't end up mattering in the future.

00:32:53.900 And three is they, with this, they might like create compounds that matter for a generation

00:33:00.460 or two, but they're really personality cults, and these will ultimately collapse.

00:33:05.040 And then the final one is to ally themselves with an intergenerationally durable cultural

00:33:11.700 group, whether it's like ours or tradcasts or something else, and they will exist in the

00:33:15.940 future.

00:33:16.180 And I think that that is going to be the winning strategy for billionaires going forwards, is

00:33:22.080 what it was historically, which is to ally yourself with one of the religious and cultural

00:33:26.860 traditions of the world.

00:33:28.360 And obviously, if you want to have the biggest outside impact, you typically want to focus

00:33:31.460 on a very competent and small one like ours.

00:33:35.040 Yeah.

00:33:35.900 Just saying, if anyone in their world is thinking here.

00:33:39.640 Anyway, love you, Simone.

00:33:41.100 This was great.

00:33:42.100 And let's do the next one on East Asia.

00:33:44.420 What happens there?

00:33:45.320 I'm excited for that.

Based Camp - November 09, 2023

The Two Enemies of Pronatalism

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