Based Camp - The Vile Neutrals Have Overplayed Their Hand

00:00:00.000 what makes a man turn neutral lust for gold power or were you just born with a heart full of

00:00:07.200 neutrality hello simone i want to talk today about being a stan specifically i want to talk about a

00:00:15.200 type of online influencer which honestly disgusts me and it has been brought up by the number of

00:00:21.520 people who are sad about how quote unquote republican or conservative we are okay expect

00:00:28.400 us to be this other type of influencer which i hate and i want to talk about intellectual reasons why

00:00:34.400 i hate them and why it's so dangerous to become this type of influencer all right let's do it

00:00:40.160 who is always like everyone's bad they are skeptical about everything they refuse to have a team i hate 0.99

00:00:49.360 these filthy neutrals kiff with enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals who knows it 1.00

00:00:55.120 sickens me they refuse holistically support anyone they refuse to stand for anything and it it 0.95

00:01:04.160 bothers me a lot one that one that this is expected of me and that two that people sort of fall for

00:01:09.200 this shtick i i'd say probably the worst offender of the youtubers who i actually watch to any extent

00:01:15.280 of this is short fat otaku where he constantly refuses to even though a lot of his positions

00:01:23.360 align with conservative politics identify with trump trumpism conservatism and i'd also say

00:01:31.600 actually to an extent asthma gold used to be like this where he constantly played the role of the

00:01:36.400 centrist and i think increasingly he is dropping that role unabashedly saying oh i really like this

00:01:42.880 i really like this you know like i can't i'll be excited to really dig into the trump administration

00:01:48.880 when they make mistakes like right now i like what they're doing but i'll really dig into them when

00:01:52.960 they make mistakes and i think that there is this i don't want to call it perverse because i get it

00:02:02.960 no i think it is somewhat perverse or at the very the very least it's a sign of insecurity

00:02:09.440 because they're afraid of being subject to scrutiny if the person that they think did something good

00:02:16.000 ends up making a mistake i also think it's a sign of intellectual weakness because it's this

00:02:21.360 suggestion that's saying like oh i think this person did something cool means that you suddenly

00:02:27.280 endorse 100 of what they do and that is obviously not true if you don't need someone you don't you

00:02:34.480 don't control what they do a hundred percent and what i picked up from what you said here is you need

00:02:39.360 to be able to invest in movements and people and investing in movements and people means taking

00:02:47.680 responsibility when those movements and people make mistakes or you are never going to have your

00:02:54.880 movement be successful let me explain what i mean by this if i for example say i like that trump did x

00:03:02.640 and i like that trump did y like during the campaign trail but i am unwilling to say i endorse trump as

00:03:10.160 a candidate i support trump as a candidate when you when you say i i endorse him or i support him or when

00:03:17.200 you take that position in a way it's like telling people to invest in a stock because you don't know

00:03:22.560 how that stock is going to do in a future you are using your best judgment based on the information you

00:03:29.040 have you know collected your intelligence what you have seen your ability to judge people to try to

00:03:36.080 predict how that political stock is going to do in the future and an individual can say why is it

00:03:41.680 valuable like why why should anybody be making these kinds of judgments it is because to a large extent

00:03:47.600 that's part of the reason people are watching you they are watching you to report on the facts that you

00:03:52.240 have access to but then to two other things very critically one reveal your biases if you don't

00:04:00.960 reveal your biases and this is one of the other things that i really hate about people when they

00:04:04.400 do this is they are pretending that they are unbiased yeah and in so doing they are manipulating

00:04:12.400 their audience our audience knows you and i are biased and when they get information about us about

00:04:19.920 democrats or republicans that that information is biased it's not us pretending like if republicans

00:04:26.000 did something bad we would dig into them as harshly as we dig into democrats we wouldn't for example

00:04:32.160 as michael famous centrist he wouldn't either anyone who's seriously watching knows he would not dig

00:04:38.480 into republicans as much as he would for democrats but if you present yourself and he doesn't present

00:04:43.200 himself this way as much anymore but if you present yourself as somebody who's going to do that on both sides

00:04:48.800 you are misleading your audience but then more than that it's my job as somebody who is

00:04:57.600 in part like our audience relies on this with our biases or everything like that

00:05:03.120 to spend more time than they've spent investigating political players investigating political parties as

00:05:11.360 those parties are changing because that's what we talk about all the time on this yes and if i'm

00:05:15.360 going to do all of that i need to when i tell you and i do need to tell you like as somebody who's

00:05:23.360 investigated all of this and as somebody who's spent a lot of time thinking about this i think this party

00:05:28.480 is a safe bet if you have this value system i need to take responsibility in the same way i would if i

00:05:34.560 tell somebody to make an investment or sell an investment and i'm not always going to be right yeah

00:05:41.200 but anyway i want to hear more thoughts from you so you're a genius one thing that i've noticed is

00:05:49.200 it's it's an active like you were saying active manipulation when people choose to not make their

00:05:53.440 stanzas clear because it is a known human bias to assume that if you like someone in general and

00:06:00.640 and think they're cool that they're going to hold the same ideological points as you do unless you

00:06:05.840 suddenly hear them say otherwise so a lot of people i've seen comments on our channel before

00:06:11.840 from people who are shocked shocked that we hold certain views because they just assumed that because

00:06:17.520 on some other videos on unrelated topics where they liked our takes and they thought we were

00:06:22.320 in general is it more that they think they were more conservative or more progressive it's both it's a

00:06:28.240 mixture of the it's a mixture of the two and so what people who choose to withhold their opinions

00:06:33.760 on these issues are doing is allowing people to just assume that there's agreement when there may not

00:06:40.400 be yeah so one i think that's manipulative and i think it's inherently dishonest to do that because

00:06:45.920 you are one allowing people to believe something that's maybe not true so you're kind of lying to them

00:06:51.200 and two maybe these people would change their minds if they were presented with compelling information

00:06:56.400 that means they may not be exposed to it's really important that people don't end up in bubbles

00:07:00.320 online and i know that sometimes just showing your hand could make people bounce away from you but

00:07:06.640 there's a small number of people whose views are are given more nuance by differing opinions and it's

00:07:13.920 worth it to share your opinions to do that but it's yeah i just see it as really ethically dubious to do

00:07:20.480 that and inherently it makes you untrustworthy when you choose to withhold information and when you're 0.91

00:07:26.240 not predictable in your stances on things aside from just shitting on everything you are not 0.83

00:07:31.200 someone that other people can trust because they don't know what your objective functions are what 0.72

00:07:35.760 your ideologies are i would like to think that oh people at least who watched a certain number of our

00:07:42.320 videos are able to pretty easily predict what we're gonna say about anything even if they really

00:07:47.680 don't like what what we're gonna say well no i i like that people can't always predict what we're

00:07:53.200 gonna say really that's why a lot of people watch this channel because they're like i'm

00:07:57.120 consistently surprised by your takes and those are the videos that they often like the most

00:08:01.840 but they know that these takes are given by people who are invested in this particular political

00:08:07.920 ideology i think that's really important to word it another way the takes follow an internal logical

00:08:15.040 consistency but are still surprising to people because the logical consistency that they follow

00:08:23.440 is unique enough that people who are coming to it may not have experience with it and it's a logical

00:08:29.520 consistency which leads to the support of one particular political party over the other given

00:08:35.280 the information we have right now and for people who may not have friends with who support that political

00:08:41.360 party or may struggle to understand how people support that political party it helps them a lot

00:08:46.480 by the way this episode is one we filmed a little bit ago but i felt forced to release today because

00:08:52.160 romanian tv did an episode called the centrist this is a guy who does the troll avatar where he was

00:08:59.920 talking about short fat otaku and i was just like ah two on point a few other things i note here is

00:09:06.720 being invested in a political ideology like being invested in a particular stock or crypto or anything

00:09:12.320 like that doesn't mean that you're never going to change your mind we early on had a video we were

00:09:16.320 very very promotional of bitcoin and then we had a video where i'm like i no longer have the same

00:09:20.080 conviction in bitcoin that i used to have and i think that that to me you know whether it's an investment

00:09:26.880 or whether if somebody is always pro bitcoin no matter what to me that's a really negative thing because

00:09:32.320 that's an ideologically captured person right somebody who is able to be pro bitcoin and then

00:09:38.960 be anti-bitcoin when it appears that it is no longer serving the ideological alignment that they have and

00:09:44.560 they're willing to say i made a mistake here right or i i don't think i made a mistake i think that the

00:09:50.320 underlying value proposition change that that may also happen with candidates right how many people do you

00:09:56.560 follow like if you follow conservative modern conservative influencers like new right influencers

00:10:01.200 who used to be bernie bros yeah yeah yeah um this doesn't remove these individuals credibilities

00:10:08.800 in anyone's mind they they were individuals who told you at an earlier time based on the information

00:10:13.840 i have i support bernie and now they say based on the information i have i support trump and these

00:10:20.800 individuals have taken a hit for supporting bernie i mean bernie has turned out to be corporate slime

00:10:26.320 ball basically he and you watch the rfk trials where he's out there harassing rfk for his stances

00:10:33.760 on things like vaccines and yet you know that bernie is the number one senator for farm donations

00:10:40.000 this is not a new thing either here he is in the 2015-16 cycle where you can see he was also number one

00:10:46.080 and here he is in this last cycle where you can see he's number one and i'd point out here that his

00:10:50.400 campaign has come out with a very slimy way of trying to get out of this which is to say oh no

00:10:56.000 no no no no you see um we rejected all contributions over 200 from packs executives and lobbyists so

00:11:06.640 this money is just from rank and file employees which hides that yeah but he didn't put a cap on the

00:11:14.640 quote-unquote amount he was getting from rank and file employees so that does not mean that rank and

00:11:20.480 file employees who wanted to donate quote-unquote rank and file i mean these people can be high level

00:11:25.680 people within these companies that wanted to influence him could not donate large amounts to

00:11:30.320 his campaign to influence him and you really only get numbers this big if you're getting large amounts

00:11:34.080 from individuals yeah that's really plausible bernie that you happen to just accidentally

00:11:40.000 with employee small dollar donations beat every other senator raising from pharma companies corrupt

00:11:48.640 money and you also just happen to accidentally be one of the people most adamantly against the

00:11:54.320 kennedy appointment and more and most pro big pharma in that particular fight now you could say well

00:12:00.400 what if it's coincidence you know bernie raises lots of money from small donors maybe he just

00:12:04.400 coincidentally raises a lot more from donors in the pharmaceuticals industry this is an argument i could

00:12:09.520 possibly buy if it happened one year or something like this the fact that it's happening consistently

00:12:15.600 year over year for like a decade and more than that it's orders of magnitude higher than the amount

00:12:22.880 that this industry is donating to specific candidates who they want to lobby to get their stuff done

00:12:30.880 like it doesn't make sense to me how is he raising orders of magnitude more and we're talking like

00:12:36.320 five six x more from this industry than this industry which has a an existential profit driven

00:12:42.800 motivation to give money to senators to get them to back their projects or get their projects through

00:12:49.520 or build artificial barriers why is it that he's able to out raise them to such an extent just

00:12:55.360 accidentally and year over year and he happens to back everything the industry does that blew my mind

00:13:00.400 when he told me that this morning i could not believe it that's yeah no he's a genuine corporate

00:13:06.080 slime ball without a single degree of integrity to his that's really wild that's really you have said

00:13:13.840 the covid vaccine was the deadliest vaccine ever made end of quote the reason i said that senator

00:13:21.680 sanders is because there were more reports on the var system on the vaccine adverse event reporting

00:13:28.480 system which is the only surveillance system that and v v safe and there were more reports of injuries

00:13:35.680 and deaths and all other vaccines combined but you what was it that scientists said it saved three

00:13:43.360 million according to fair did i don't know because we don't have a good surveillance system

00:13:47.600 i know you disagree with the scientific community that oh i just i'm agnostic because we don't have

00:13:53.200 the science to make that determination really okay i understand why people before they knew all this

00:13:59.120 about him before they knew that he would lean into like a disabled guy like rfk who genuinely if you 0.71

00:14:05.120 watch rfk rfk is not about making money rfk is not about he genuinely just wants to help people

00:14:11.120 and to watch bernie like attack him knowing that bernie is getting what was it like 1.5 million

00:14:17.280 the last campaign alongside elizabeth warren who is the second biggest pharma donor i can't believe

00:14:23.120 it their brand is so not that this is so surprising to me plus elizabeth warren right you know and i

00:14:28.960 think that you see where the integrity really was all along you know you see that he's out there

00:14:33.520 attacking trump for stuff that equally applied to biden and yet he never attacked biden for this stuff

00:14:38.720 why not you know i think people originally like oh this person doesn't have a spine or an

00:14:45.920 intellectual core but that doesn't make me respect them less because they were willing to do

00:14:51.440 something that other people weren't willing to do somebody who's like altered against bernie the

00:14:55.920 moment he makes a mistake versus somebody who said i support bernie given what i know and then later was

00:15:01.680 like i was wrong i respect the latter more than the former infinitely more than the former yeah to be

00:15:09.040 more specific here what i respect is somebody who's willing to take a stand say something like i support

00:15:15.120 barney and i'm willing to take responsibility if he does something that i disagree with in the

00:15:22.560 future or that is in the not best interest of people who share a similar ideology as myself

00:15:28.800 it is totally respectable to say you know what i made a stand and i was wrong what i don't think

00:15:35.360 is respectable is to refuse to make a stand in the first place somebody who's willing to when they

00:15:41.920 maybe internally support bernie say oh well both sides are good that i don't like i am okay with

00:15:47.440 you if you were formerly a staunch democrat or communist and now you recognize that is wrong

00:15:53.120 if you were a fence-sitter then who leaned left and a fence-sitter now who leans right i am not okay

00:15:58.480 i'd also note this in the context of the recent stuff about ukraine because somebody could be like

00:16:03.680 well did you mess up in saying that we should invest in trump like is this a mistake and i'd say no

00:16:08.480 i actually really agree with what he's saying about ukraine right now if you look at the position

00:16:13.120 that he has to make on ukraine at the moment we basically have a choice which is does ukraine

00:16:19.200 make territorial concessions to russia this year or do they make territorial concessions to russia

00:16:25.760 next year after thousands tens of thousands more deaths territorial consolidations to russia the year

00:16:31.040 after that after hundreds of thousands of deaths there is almost no world now in which ukraine 1.00

00:16:37.920 doesn't end up making territorial concessions to russia that being the case is zelensky willing

00:16:45.200 to do that and what we have seen in his statements is no he is not willing to do that and he is hugely

00:16:51.200 motivated not to do that given that they're not holding elections right now something that we

00:16:56.640 by the way in the united states continue to do during world war ii because a lot of people are like well you

00:17:02.640 know a lot of countries stop holding elections during war periods it's like well not us at the

00:17:08.880 same time trump saying well zelensky only has four percent support within his own country right now

00:17:13.360 that does not appear to be true although it does appear that he probably couldn't win an election

00:17:18.080 cycle if one happened right now the point being is that he has a vested interest in the war continuing

00:17:25.040 at this point and a personal honor interest i mean a lot of people have died on maintaining the

00:17:30.640 territorial borders as they have been now i think for almost half a year at this point so that'd be

00:17:35.920 half a year of deaths being completely pointless uh if we call it quits now but it's likely going

00:17:41.600 to be what then another year it's just doubling down as bad investment after good and so i completely

00:17:47.040 agree with trump on this point and for the individuals who are like well if russia gets what

00:17:50.640 they want then they're going to start attacking nato countries very unlikely at this point because

00:17:55.200 russia has basically expended an entire generation on this war if this war ends now might they attack

00:18:02.000 another country even if they do it's a very high likelihood that they'll just just be absolutely 0.99

00:18:11.520 destroyed invaded and dismantled it would be the dumbest dumbest dumbest thing for them at this point 0.99

00:18:19.200 it's not that it's impossible but it would mean the end of russia just because they do not have the 0.99

00:18:24.240 manpower to maintain an offense as we saw even when part of their own forces decided to double back

00:18:30.880 on moscow they had no internal defenses they have thrown everything at this leaving nothing internally

00:18:36.640 to defend themselves if they were fighting against a country who could just march on russian territory

00:18:42.000 russia would be boned and that's what we would see was a nato war this actually reminds me going

00:18:47.040 into this election cycle on the discord somebody was saying look i want to support trump

00:18:52.320 but i struggle to because i am afraid what he and jd might do to ivf or making it illegal and i need

00:18:59.920 this to have kids so at the end of the day that is my number one voting issue and they say malcolm

00:19:05.280 do you still recommend voting for him even given this and i was like yeah i i do and that's me making

00:19:10.960 an investment i could have been really really wrong on that and yet we already know that they signed

00:19:14.880 an executive order to make ivf cheaper and so i played the right hand there i do you think that

00:19:20.800 in general public sentiment is shipping shifting on flip-flopping because in the past i grew up under

00:19:27.920 the impression that the worst thing you could do as a politician was change your stance on an issue

00:19:33.280 whereas now like as i've grown intellectually the thing i respect most is people who change their

00:19:39.680 opinions when presented with new information do you think that the public understands this more broadly

00:19:44.800 or do you think that we are not there as a society i think that we will likely undergo some big points

00:19:52.720 where this becomes more acceptable i think we've undergone a number of them already i think for example

00:19:58.800 a huge one was the jd vance nomination as vp what oh because he was a never trumper he was 0.95

00:20:05.920 a never trumper he was the most he was the face of the never trump yeah well then you have um people

00:20:13.680 like mark zuckerberg who was a huge donor in favor of biden in the 2020 election who then in response to

00:20:24.960 trump like saying fight fight fight in response to being shot in the head yeah saying that was one of

00:20:31.120 the most like badass things he'd ever seen like i really i respected mark no i respect that but i

00:20:38.240 will say with zuckerberg and this is where it matters do you switch sides before it's obvious who's

00:20:44.560 gonna win zuckerberg was too tentative he did not go in for trump like elon did elon went in when it could

00:20:55.200 have destroyed everything he had ever done in terms of wealth anything like he's like you understand

00:21:01.040 i make most of my money off of like government contracts i am beyond f if trump loses this

00:21:06.720 election and this is when the everyone all the polls had trump losing the election and elon went in

00:21:12.800 and he didn't just go in he went to the campaigns he went to the rallies he put effort into this and i

00:21:19.200 think that that's why he edified himself in the mind of the general public in a way that zuckerberg did

00:21:24.000 um or or jd vance jd vance went in on trump when when a lot of people still thought that trump didn't

00:21:30.320 have a chance well same with you and me we were not always pro trump and in the trump first election

00:21:35.680 cycle i i did not support trump at all and i was very hesitant on trump in his second election cycle

00:21:42.720 and you could say oh it took me a long time oh i was a poor judge of character whatever i was it took

00:21:49.120 me a while to see how evil the democrats had become or how good trump was i think and when i saw that now

00:21:58.080 i'm willing to in part i i could say almost as penance is say i really have faith in his administration

00:22:05.680 and for some people they see us and they're like oh well i've built my personal reputation or whatever

00:22:12.000 on like a well trump is just so uncouth and it's like yes he is uncouth but that's not what i'm judging

00:22:18.160 him on i'm judging him on is he going to do right for my value system well so then i think this means that we

00:22:23.440 we need to slightly shift the default definition of stan when i first learned about stan culture

00:22:28.640 it was in the context of fans of k-pop and then later kind of like taylor swift who no matter what

00:22:33.600 if you said something bad about their idol you were going down like you really had to be careful about

00:22:39.680 what you said yeah and these are people who you know stands like i think the the concept of stan

00:22:44.800 culture is such that you will back this person no matter what and i think that exemplifies actually

00:22:50.720 exactly the wrong kind of support that you should lend to a movement or person that the point should

00:22:57.360 be that you appreciate the actions of a movement or a person and and not for example their inherent

00:23:06.160 nature because you can't control that and that is subject to change similar to like good compliments

00:23:11.680 for a partner or a friend or colleague are not like about their inherent nature but about their actions

00:23:18.320 or about moments like wow you know the the way that you made breakfast for me this morning or the way

00:23:23.920 that you helped me with this without even me asking was just it really made my day is so much more

00:23:30.000 meaningful as a comment because this person put effort into that then like wow your shirt looks great

00:23:36.000 you know because that's or you know you look pretty um and i think that philosophy should extend

00:23:42.080 to this too um so i don't know maybe maybe stan is not the word we should be using maybe it's just

00:23:48.160 more about lending support to things that we think are good instead of just trying to look good by

00:23:55.680 criticizing everything it's so easy to criticize and it's so hard to support especially something

00:24:01.360 that's controversial exactly and i think that here's an example right like obviously we're big supporters

00:24:07.040 of elons and the media has repeatedly tried to get trumped in elon to fight each other you look

00:24:11.840 at the drudge report like every it's like but the drudge report today oh my god i love the things they

00:24:16.640 had on elon today it was the best okay trump musk wage a two-front war as donor does president's dirty 0.99

00:24:26.160 work this article was just amazingly i tried to be anti-elon but if you're pro elon it was the most pro elon

00:24:33.120 the next one goes elon moves with lightning speed to exert control over government the next one says

00:24:40.400 the young experience inexperienced engineers helping the next one says given unfettered access

00:24:48.320 to private data of government employees the next one says you said staffers told to stay out of hq

00:24:56.640 after billionaire closes it usaid yeah yikes uh next one says new official declared competent white

00:25:04.720 men must be in charge next one says senior fbi official forcefully resisted firings and let's

00:25:12.880 see what happened to him oh next one epa tells more than a thousand they could be fired immediately

00:25:19.120 so you see this they're trying to make elon look like a monster but i think to to people who

00:25:24.000 they're like oh yeah this is what i was waiting for i will note here that since the speech that

00:25:29.760 jd gave in munich i have begun to see this administration as not trump and elon but trump

00:25:35.680 elon and jd all moving ahead on their own unique fronts almost as unique executive branches and as

00:25:42.880 somebody once pointed out in my entire lifetime i have never seen a vice president who wasn't just an

00:25:49.200 an appendage to the president and instead what we're seeing with jd vance is a fully independent

00:25:55.440 actor who has his own goals and is marching forwards with them as fast as elon or trump is

00:26:01.920 you know while elon is doing these specifics within the government and trump is managing everything 0.63

00:26:06.560 we have jd uh whether it is his approval of big balls or his takedown of the eu uh doing the verbal

00:26:15.120 stuff like the the speeches and new ideas that need to be laid out to remake this country and 0.95

00:26:21.920 fight the cult that has taken it over well not this country this world which is again i call them the

00:26:27.600 triumvirate well there's that's one other aspect actually that not to change the subject too quickly

00:26:32.480 but showing support for someone especially when that support is not universal rather than just

00:26:38.560 criticizing things that everyone agrees with that is is one of the most meaningful ways to show your

00:26:43.840 value to someone and to be useful to someone possible so there's fertility i'm well how are you

00:26:52.480 okay so everything looks good

00:26:56.640 okay that's great news pneumonia didn't take him out he's a fighter he's a fighter you got to keep

00:27:03.520 going simone you got to keep taking the medic medic medications i will okay let's see back to what

00:27:10.080 i'm making is that elon recently has done some stuff where i'm like that is a bad investment sign in in

00:27:17.760 the elon sphere specifically like the boosting accounts on uh various games to try to look like

00:27:24.720 he was a world player when you know and he said he said look you can't compete with the asians unless you 1.00

00:27:31.360 do this and he's right about that right and he did pretend and then banning asthma gold for on on x

00:27:41.440 and honestly it was not a good look and it's one of the things where i need to be like okay i'm

00:27:48.160 reevaluating do i does this make me judge his ability to handle these government things less to handle the

00:27:55.040 government shrink downs less does it no it doesn't but it's something that i need to take into account

00:28:00.880 which stains my reputation because i supported him and continue to support him but i think that that's

00:28:06.800 the important thing are you willing to take these stains on your reputation because you made a bet on

00:28:12.720 somebody else i do i do take exception to current societal trends around assuming that because you

00:28:22.880 support someone for one thing means you endorse everything else they do because that's the

00:28:27.360 difference between endorsing everything else you do and saying that overall they're a good bet

00:28:32.800 yeah but i think that it's really clear that elon musk is a he's very consistently good at some

00:28:38.240 things and he's he's very famously controversial on some other things he's he's famous for doing

00:28:45.680 certain things that get him in trouble and he's done those things multiple times in that way he's

00:28:50.720 extremely trustworthy because he's also rather predictable and that that makes him you know

00:28:55.840 someone that i personally would trust like from a political or policy standpoint more than a lot

00:29:02.000 of other people because he acts pretty consistently side note here because i know some of our fans will

00:29:06.640 be like oh what about your knights versus kings dichotomy in terms of males because i talk about alphas

00:29:12.720 and betas and i say this is a bad dichotomy you you actually have most males divide into the knights or

00:29:18.320 kings category and one of the things about kings is they don't like following other people

00:29:23.440 and i know i fall into this category to a moral fault which is to say that i struggle to be a part

00:29:30.160 of a clique when i am not the head person of a clique that is not a sign of being extra manly that is a

00:29:36.720 sign of a weak personal ego so i have this mindset and so people can look at that and say hey

00:29:42.880 malcolm how can you stand to support somebody else as being above you like trump and elon and jd vance

00:29:51.360 the triumvirate and the answer here is a few fold one i am sort of the figurehead of a movement the

00:29:58.000 pronatalist movement and people support me whether it's because of that movement or because of this

00:30:03.280 channel not because of me specifically but because they trust me to make the decisions that are in the

00:30:12.000 best interest of other people who support a similar ideology and if that requires sublimating myself

00:30:20.000 to another individual even if it goes against my pride of course it is my duty to do that or i have

00:30:26.960 betrayed the individuals who put their trust in me and for what benefit for the sake of my ego i i

00:30:33.200 betrayed my values and in the past that was most likely to see my values realized in the world

00:30:40.480 especially when those values are aligned was what the potential collapse of our civilization

00:30:45.680 i gave up on fighting that just for my ego but even outside of that the individuals that i'm

00:30:51.280 sublimating myself to the reason i am able to say i support these individuals decisions without the

00:30:57.920 strong emotional dissonance that i might otherwise feel is that none of these individuals have ever

00:31:03.760 signaled that they think that they're better than me and i wouldn't say for any reporters who might be

00:31:09.040 listening to this i am not saying that i actually know any of these individuals or talk to them but

00:31:14.240 they have let's just say publicly always treated me with respect and as an equal despite having

00:31:22.000 significantly less wealth and power than them which is something that is going to make it very easy for

00:31:28.720 someone like me to follow them and say okay yeah this individual isn't lording this over me

00:31:33.840 i mean i actually think that that's why trump did so well in the first election cycle is despite his

00:31:38.640 big ego and everything like that it doesn't rely on putting other people down or seeing himself as

00:31:44.400 better than other people but the yeah the other point i was making though is that your value to

00:31:49.040 other people can also be widely determined by especially if you yourself has a good have a good

00:31:54.400 reputation by costly signaling which is putting your reputation on the line to support them when they're

00:31:59.520 doing something controversial and improved this could be anything from like writing a letter of

00:32:03.600 recommendation to someone who may be you know earlier in their career and who just needs a good rep to

00:32:09.200 you know standing up for someone online and whenever we get attacked on twitter normally no one stands up

00:32:15.520 but recently a couple people you know will actually stand up for us and be like hey look look at this

00:32:20.080 point look at that point but they're putting their reputation consistently on the line if we do something

00:32:24.000 crazy in the future they get attacked for it they could even lose their jobs for it yeah and i mean

00:32:30.640 but i i now regard those people very differently because you know when when someone is willing to

00:32:37.040 stand up for you now i don't think that elon musk feels that way about the people who stand up for

00:32:41.120 him online because there are so many it doesn't really matter i think this matters more on a mic but i just

00:32:48.080 want to point that out that like standing up for someone i disagree with what you're saying here a

00:32:53.120 little bit

00:32:57.280 where i'd push back is this idea that you can reach a level of fame where the people who stand

00:33:00.880 up for you don't matter to trump they obviously still matter they may not matter to elon but they

00:33:06.160 do matter to trump i think they matter to trump coming from certain people on like certain news networks

00:33:12.320 or like channels that really matter to him but just random random people betting people for jobs

00:33:18.800 i bet you he has people look at what's being what they said online did they stand up for him or did

00:33:24.640 they turn their back on him that's a test of loyalty though not so much of like oh i'm gonna feel sad

00:33:30.320 if this random i disagree it's not a test of loyalty it was a test of loyalty jd bands never would have

00:33:34.880 passed the test of where are you now which is different from traditional loyalty i think

00:33:44.400 and i think this also is true for our fans you know we have a controversial reputation

00:33:48.800 and when people decide to support us they put their potential careers at risk they put a lot

00:33:55.680 of stuff at risk like when we're out there people can see us as loose cannons and we're not actually as

00:34:00.400 loose cannons as we appear we actually have like lists of the things that we're willing to break

00:34:04.400 rake on lists of the things we're willing to be controversial like the positions we hold on

00:34:10.240 trans stuff are not like me shooting off the cuff this is like days of conversation i had with simone

00:34:16.160 like are you comfortable going out and taking this position publicly given what it could do to our

00:34:21.440 careers which is you know maybe now it might be mainstream maybe maybe we made the right investment

00:34:27.120 on this position early on but when we first made it it was a very risky position to make especially

00:34:33.440 given that we have trans friends or had trans friends i don't know i haven't had the guts to

00:34:38.160 talk to them since then because i don't want to deal with it you know it's like whatever right

00:34:41.920 but the the point being is we took a stance on that when it was still a really risky stance to take

00:34:48.320 and so i'd say that for our own audience like in the same way and people can be like well why why

00:34:53.920 why do you when it comes to trump or elon or whatever act this way it's because i would want other

00:34:59.360 people to act that way towards me and i think if i'm the type of person who's going to go out there

00:35:03.760 and say oh i always support people when they do exactly what aligns with my value system and i always

00:35:08.880 attack them if they do anything that deviates from my value system i i would i i don't think that anyone

00:35:17.920 could really support me right like how could you because you know that this person lacks any loyalty to

00:35:24.640 others because that's what loyalty means in the age of the internet you know people have forgotten i

00:35:29.600 think the concept of loyalty right like they're they they they think that showing a lack of loyalty

00:35:36.240 is a thing of value instead of being able to say i disagree with what the king did here but i'm still

00:35:42.640 one of his knights right and i still you know broadly i haven't been driven to betray the kingdom yet

00:35:49.840 and i think that's what loyalty is loyalty isn't following somebody whenever they're doing

00:35:56.240 exactly what aligns with your value system that's just serving your own best interest loyalty is being

00:36:01.760 a reliable ally even when somebody doesn't exactly follow your value system and i think that if you

00:36:09.120 ever want a movement or an ideology to become mainstream to influence the mainstream you need to be

00:36:16.240 willing to be loyal to people who don't always a hundred percent align with you i think that's

00:36:21.120 always i mean or i'm under the impression that's what alliances were from the beginning the whole point

00:36:28.640 in there being an alliance is because you have two parties that are distinct that are not exactly the

00:36:34.080 same there is no such thing as an alliance if you're on the same page with everything because then

00:36:38.960 you're just the same entity so an alliance means you're different an alliance means that there are

00:36:44.720 some things on which you disagree so i agree with you on that and you can't really build

00:36:50.560 anything that's powerful or meaningful without having some alliances so i'm with you on that but

00:36:56.960 well it was in the online world what an alliance or loyalty means has changed like you used to be able to

00:37:03.680 maybe voice your misgivings privately or even vehemently privately and still be a loyal ally to someone

00:37:12.160 that isn't true in the age of the internet if you voice misgivings you need to do it couched

00:37:18.240 and a i still support this person yeah and i'm wondering have i seen that recently have you seen that

00:37:26.720 recently no i honestly haven't seen many people who to me like demonstrate loyalty and integrity as i

00:37:35.680 define it as online influencers among so many people it has become so normalized to be like i can't wait

00:37:42.000 till they mess up so i can turn on them whereas that's not the way i feel with the administration

00:37:46.800 at all if elon or trump messes up i am going to feel like i misled people and i'm not going to take any

00:37:53.040 glee in reporting on that or saying like i'm disappointed in this behavior or or what they did here and i think

00:38:00.400 that this sort of preemptive glee and the in the mistakes of your own side shows such a degree of

00:38:07.040 disloyalty that makes me really sad that this has been normalized or even glorified in our society

00:38:14.560 hmm so what you'd like to see from i guess our own family our own kids is

00:38:20.000 loyalty but with a willingness to criticize respectfully and tactfully for example within

00:38:31.200 a small group you may show loyalty and especially signal public loyalty to someone but if you're

00:38:39.200 concerned about what they're doing you privately air those concerned with them at first and don't

00:38:44.800 actually show any public hesitation around them unless you've completely lost faith in them

00:38:50.480 like they're really showing that they're unwilling to change their peace and that's actually something

00:38:54.160 that you discussed with me a lot in the very beginning because i had this tact like this thing

00:38:58.160 that i would do or just to like keep the social peace around your family i would just throw you under

00:39:04.800 the bus when the family piled on like when you i don't know we're doing something controversial

00:39:10.880 and the family just was being really mean to you i just couldn't deal with the social conflict

00:39:14.800 so i'd be like yeah they're right just knock it off malcolm and you were like simone this doesn't

00:39:20.080 make you look good it makes you look like you're you just completely don't respect me at all as a

00:39:25.120 partner and like you're two-faced as a partner and what you really should do is if you disagree with

00:39:30.240 me and you absolutely should air things with me when you disagree with me do it in private you know

00:39:35.200 like wait until after but don't do it in public because that makes you look bad it hurts me

00:39:41.040 and it doesn't really help anyone else so i think that that's that's also something that

00:39:47.040 i've learned from you which is absolutely yes disagree with someone do it in private at first

00:39:53.280 and yeah maybe in the end if they don't listen to you if they show that they vehemently disagree

00:39:57.920 with a view that you hold really strongly then yeah you're probably going to publicly detract from

00:40:01.760 them but the classy way to disagree with someone is to show support for them be a pro and then behind

00:40:13.760 closed doors are your concerns yeah and the final thing i'd note on this is someone might say well

00:40:21.120 what if neither party really represents my value system right if you're out there saying well i invest

00:40:26.480 in this party i invest in i i think that this party will do a good job and i think when i invested

00:40:32.000 in the current trump party i did not expect them to even do as good a good job as they had i feel like

00:40:37.840 in terms of an investment surpassed expectations surpassed expectations in terms of payoff but i feel

00:40:44.240 really edified for and even if they make a mistake in the future i'm gonna be like yeah but

00:40:49.200 did you really think they would do that much on like dei and stuff but so you'd be like what if

00:40:54.720 neither party represents my values right supporting no party in an election supporting no side in a

00:41:02.160 conflict is not the default option that is the most extreme option you can take in a democracy or a

00:41:11.520 voter-based system i'm not saying that you should never do it but you need to understand that is the

00:41:17.040 burn it down option that is when you're out there and saying neither party is better than the other

00:41:23.760 party that is an extreme effing position to take and people take that position like it's a trivial

00:41:32.640 safe position to take that is not a that is saying that you literally think that both parties are so

00:41:38.720 corrupt that there is no difference between them mm-hmm that is that is and i i it's it's not an insane

00:41:45.920 position because it is true in some democracies at some periods in history but it is a bold effing

00:41:53.600 position to take but people take it as if i don't agree with everything either party says and it's like

00:42:00.800 yeah but that's not what you're being asked okay we have to choose one side because this is an election

00:42:07.600 because this is a democracy okay and if and if you choose a throwaway candidate like the green party or

00:42:14.160 something like that then you also need to take in mind do i believe that the two major parties are

00:42:20.160 so fundamentally corrupt that there isn't i'm not saying that they're not corrupt there is corruption

00:42:25.360 within both of the parties no there's also corruption within small parties yeah but that there isn't a

00:42:31.280 party that's better than the other party that there isn't one because because it matters in a democracy

00:42:39.120 if one party happens to be better than another party it effing matters because you if what do you

00:42:46.800 think would be happening right now if camilla had won for example i mean more of the same i'm just

00:42:53.040 assuming the same like deep state that's been doing everything as it has been doing everything in the

00:42:57.680 past million in condoms going to gaza yeah it would just be the counterfactual which was what was

00:43:02.400 happening before which was not good million in dei contracts yeah well it's not the counterfactual it's

00:43:08.720 the destruction of of democracy yeah but that's what was happening that is the counterfactual but

00:43:14.480 anyway yeah i think you continue a big trend that i've seen in like maybe with the rise of just online

00:43:25.040 scrutiny and people being afraid of being criticized online is a fear of doing or saying anything that can

00:43:31.120 get you criticized i think a lot of what we're discussing has to do not necessarily with a fear

00:43:38.080 of endorsing certain people but just a fear of being criticized for anything at all and part of me

00:43:49.520 fears that this is only going to get worse as people become more terminally online and have fewer

00:43:57.120 offline sort of friendships and sources of reinforcement and happiness and connection

00:44:04.480 i think i think what we need to do is we need to reward the people who risk criticism

00:44:11.360 if you don't except here's the problem is that people are much more loss averse than they are reward

00:44:16.240 hungry and that's just true like it shows up in in social science studies and research to be big enough

00:44:22.720 i guess i i just i'm not really sure if this trend can be counteracted as sad as that sounds and i i

00:44:32.800 get that i mean it's important for us to extol the virtues of supporting something and standing for

00:44:38.720 something and i would argue that you know like from churchill giving that famous quote of something like

00:44:44.720 you know you've you know so someone hates you that means you stood up for something sometime in your

00:44:48.720 life something along those lines like churchill said that because it was rare for people to stand

00:44:53.760 up for someone something like even then and that was before there was this level of like online

00:44:59.360 criticism and scrutiny that there is now so i would say that this is a very deep set human tendency

00:45:07.600 and it's very nice for us to say i wish that people stood up for no you could say it's nice for us to 0.91

00:45:14.480 say that we have put our fucking money where our mouth is whether it's in supporting political 0.85

00:45:19.760 candidates supporting unpopular causes or anything we have consistently put ourselves in positions to be 0.97

00:45:26.400 criticized well and i guess the the final conclusion that i'll make is here's the the ultimate pitch for

00:45:34.000 standing up for something you will not matter in the larger scheme of history if you don't stand up for

00:45:42.240 anything because either you are riding a wave that is inevitable and that will happen regardless

00:45:47.120 with you with or with with or without you meaning that you didn't matter in that wave you were just

00:45:51.360 part of the wave you were you were a molecule within the ocean no one cares the only reason why you

00:45:57.520 have made a dent in space-time in history is because you have done something counter to the wave

00:46:04.960 you've done something counter to what your normal intuition and default basal lazy instincts would do

00:46:12.480 so ultimately most people are going to say it's not worth it for me to do this and they're just not

00:46:17.920 going to do it but for those few people who quote unquote want to matter which means you have actually

00:46:24.000 made the world different because of your existence you really need to take this seriously because if you

00:46:28.480 don't stand up for anything you literally will not matter sound good if you don't stand up for anything you

00:46:35.760 stand for nothing yeah

00:46:40.720 she she stands she stands do you stand little industry 0.84

00:46:44.320 oh she's pooped a lot so let's get that poop handle 0.98

00:46:56.000 she invested in the poop emoji and it is it is doing well yeah she stands defecation 0.77

00:47:04.800 for sure all right and i think her whole family does because now octavian is obsessed with poop

00:47:09.680 jokes so he loves poop jokes i just think it's so funny because i remember liking poop jokes oh god 0.56

00:47:15.520 it's genetic isn't it he's not even liking gay jokes okay it's poop jokes like i was like being 0.89

00:47:20.000 funheaded as a kid okay like octavian like in poop jokes whatever god no i'm trying so hard at least 0.91

00:47:28.160 i'm like octavian you have to start using different types of jokes you know like you can't just say the

00:47:32.240 same thing you have to use variation and then like he just keeps using variations of poop and

00:47:38.880 like he just gets diaper glasses yeah like he can't he can't yeah we gotta we gotta work workshop this

00:47:46.400 i'm like octavian comedians train comedians comedians develop a craft they work really hard you know

00:47:52.400 you you can't just say classmate is effing hilarious oh god his teacher hates it we get calls from his

00:47:59.600 teacher i don't care i'm like my five-year-old is making poo jokes you deal with it lady five-year-olds 0.51

00:48:04.720 make poo jokes alien he's not making jokes like ethnic jokes or something i need to teach him a few

00:48:11.680 of those no no i have a whole new world to be afraid of because she calls the mother not the father

00:48:16.880 obviously i guess teachers have learned intuitively over all this time to call the mothers about the

00:48:23.200 you girls you don't call the father because he'll be like oh yeah that's a that's a good one i taught

00:48:28.080 him that one yeah oh god all right well gird my loins for whatever new report he comes home with

00:48:36.080 tonight i love you malcolm i love you too oh are we doing leftover muffledo food for you tonight or are

00:48:42.640 we doing you dan dan oh yeah i would like that i don't think there is there is yeah but if you have

00:48:49.920 that for lunch tomorrow i think it's too late to freeze but if you have it for lunch tomorrow it's

00:48:54.080 fine so okay i'll do it for lunch tomorrow and tonight we'll do dan dan is it like is there actually

00:48:59.520 a jar that says dan dan i'm gonna look to see if there is i'm gonna go down right now okay i will

00:49:04.560 handle the poop and then i will be done love you love you oh gosh what are they doing titan

00:49:24.960 it's starting the case idea

00:49:34.560 okay

Based Camp - February 24, 2025

The Vile Neutrals Have Overplayed Their Hand

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