The Vile Neutrals Have Overplayed Their Hand
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What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold, power, or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality? What does it mean to be a stan, and why is it dangerous to become one?
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what makes a man turn neutral lust for gold power or were you just born with a heart full of
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neutrality hello simone i want to talk today about being a stan specifically i want to talk about a
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type of online influencer which honestly disgusts me and it has been brought up by the number of
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people who are sad about how quote unquote republican or conservative we are okay expect
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us to be this other type of influencer which i hate and i want to talk about intellectual reasons why
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i hate them and why it's so dangerous to become this type of influencer all right let's do it
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who is always like everyone's bad they are skeptical about everything they refuse to have a team i hate
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these filthy neutrals kiff with enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals who knows it
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sickens me they refuse holistically support anyone they refuse to stand for anything and it it
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bothers me a lot one that one that this is expected of me and that two that people sort of fall for
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this shtick i i'd say probably the worst offender of the youtubers who i actually watch to any extent
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of this is short fat otaku where he constantly refuses to even though a lot of his positions
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align with conservative politics identify with trump trumpism conservatism and i'd also say
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actually to an extent asthma gold used to be like this where he constantly played the role of the
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centrist and i think increasingly he is dropping that role unabashedly saying oh i really like this
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i really like this you know like i can't i'll be excited to really dig into the trump administration
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when they make mistakes like right now i like what they're doing but i'll really dig into them when
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they make mistakes and i think that there is this i don't want to call it perverse because i get it
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no i think it is somewhat perverse or at the very the very least it's a sign of insecurity
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because they're afraid of being subject to scrutiny if the person that they think did something good
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ends up making a mistake i also think it's a sign of intellectual weakness because it's this
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suggestion that's saying like oh i think this person did something cool means that you suddenly
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endorse 100 of what they do and that is obviously not true if you don't need someone you don't you
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don't control what they do a hundred percent and what i picked up from what you said here is you need
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to be able to invest in movements and people and investing in movements and people means taking
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responsibility when those movements and people make mistakes or you are never going to have your
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movement be successful let me explain what i mean by this if i for example say i like that trump did x
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and i like that trump did y like during the campaign trail but i am unwilling to say i endorse trump as
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a candidate i support trump as a candidate when you when you say i i endorse him or i support him or when
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you take that position in a way it's like telling people to invest in a stock because you don't know
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how that stock is going to do in a future you are using your best judgment based on the information you
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have you know collected your intelligence what you have seen your ability to judge people to try to
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predict how that political stock is going to do in the future and an individual can say why is it
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valuable like why why should anybody be making these kinds of judgments it is because to a large extent
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that's part of the reason people are watching you they are watching you to report on the facts that you
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have access to but then to two other things very critically one reveal your biases if you don't
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reveal your biases and this is one of the other things that i really hate about people when they
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do this is they are pretending that they are unbiased yeah and in so doing they are manipulating
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their audience our audience knows you and i are biased and when they get information about us about
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democrats or republicans that that information is biased it's not us pretending like if republicans
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did something bad we would dig into them as harshly as we dig into democrats we wouldn't for example
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as michael famous centrist he wouldn't either anyone who's seriously watching knows he would not dig
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into republicans as much as he would for democrats but if you present yourself and he doesn't present
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himself this way as much anymore but if you present yourself as somebody who's going to do that on both sides
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you are misleading your audience but then more than that it's my job as somebody who is
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in part like our audience relies on this with our biases or everything like that
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to spend more time than they've spent investigating political players investigating political parties as
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those parties are changing because that's what we talk about all the time on this yes and if i'm
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going to do all of that i need to when i tell you and i do need to tell you like as somebody who's
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investigated all of this and as somebody who's spent a lot of time thinking about this i think this party
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is a safe bet if you have this value system i need to take responsibility in the same way i would if i
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tell somebody to make an investment or sell an investment and i'm not always going to be right yeah
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but anyway i want to hear more thoughts from you so you're a genius one thing that i've noticed is
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it's it's an active like you were saying active manipulation when people choose to not make their
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stanzas clear because it is a known human bias to assume that if you like someone in general and
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and think they're cool that they're going to hold the same ideological points as you do unless you
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suddenly hear them say otherwise so a lot of people i've seen comments on our channel before
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from people who are shocked shocked that we hold certain views because they just assumed that because
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on some other videos on unrelated topics where they liked our takes and they thought we were
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in general is it more that they think they were more conservative or more progressive it's both it's a
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mixture of the it's a mixture of the two and so what people who choose to withhold their opinions
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on these issues are doing is allowing people to just assume that there's agreement when there may not
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be yeah so one i think that's manipulative and i think it's inherently dishonest to do that because
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you are one allowing people to believe something that's maybe not true so you're kind of lying to them
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and two maybe these people would change their minds if they were presented with compelling information
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that means they may not be exposed to it's really important that people don't end up in bubbles
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online and i know that sometimes just showing your hand could make people bounce away from you but
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there's a small number of people whose views are are given more nuance by differing opinions and it's
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worth it to share your opinions to do that but it's yeah i just see it as really ethically dubious to do
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that and inherently it makes you untrustworthy when you choose to withhold information and when you're
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not predictable in your stances on things aside from just shitting on everything you are not
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someone that other people can trust because they don't know what your objective functions are what
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your ideologies are i would like to think that oh people at least who watched a certain number of our
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videos are able to pretty easily predict what we're gonna say about anything even if they really
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don't like what what we're gonna say well no i i like that people can't always predict what we're
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gonna say really that's why a lot of people watch this channel because they're like i'm
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consistently surprised by your takes and those are the videos that they often like the most
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but they know that these takes are given by people who are invested in this particular political
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ideology i think that's really important to word it another way the takes follow an internal logical
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consistency but are still surprising to people because the logical consistency that they follow
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is unique enough that people who are coming to it may not have experience with it and it's a logical
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consistency which leads to the support of one particular political party over the other given
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the information we have right now and for people who may not have friends with who support that political
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party or may struggle to understand how people support that political party it helps them a lot
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by the way this episode is one we filmed a little bit ago but i felt forced to release today because
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romanian tv did an episode called the centrist this is a guy who does the troll avatar where he was
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talking about short fat otaku and i was just like ah two on point a few other things i note here is
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being invested in a political ideology like being invested in a particular stock or crypto or anything
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like that doesn't mean that you're never going to change your mind we early on had a video we were
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very very promotional of bitcoin and then we had a video where i'm like i no longer have the same
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conviction in bitcoin that i used to have and i think that that to me you know whether it's an investment
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or whether if somebody is always pro bitcoin no matter what to me that's a really negative thing because
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that's an ideologically captured person right somebody who is able to be pro bitcoin and then
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be anti-bitcoin when it appears that it is no longer serving the ideological alignment that they have and
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they're willing to say i made a mistake here right or i i don't think i made a mistake i think that the
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underlying value proposition change that that may also happen with candidates right how many people do you
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follow like if you follow conservative modern conservative influencers like new right influencers
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who used to be bernie bros yeah yeah yeah um this doesn't remove these individuals credibilities
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in anyone's mind they they were individuals who told you at an earlier time based on the information
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i have i support bernie and now they say based on the information i have i support trump and these
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individuals have taken a hit for supporting bernie i mean bernie has turned out to be corporate slime
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ball basically he and you watch the rfk trials where he's out there harassing rfk for his stances
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on things like vaccines and yet you know that bernie is the number one senator for farm donations
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this is not a new thing either here he is in the 2015-16 cycle where you can see he was also number one
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and here he is in this last cycle where you can see he's number one and i'd point out here that his
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campaign has come out with a very slimy way of trying to get out of this which is to say oh no
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no no no no you see um we rejected all contributions over 200 from packs executives and lobbyists so
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this money is just from rank and file employees which hides that yeah but he didn't put a cap on the
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quote-unquote amount he was getting from rank and file employees so that does not mean that rank and
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file employees who wanted to donate quote-unquote rank and file i mean these people can be high level
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people within these companies that wanted to influence him could not donate large amounts to
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his campaign to influence him and you really only get numbers this big if you're getting large amounts
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from individuals yeah that's really plausible bernie that you happen to just accidentally
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with employee small dollar donations beat every other senator raising from pharma companies corrupt
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money and you also just happen to accidentally be one of the people most adamantly against the
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kennedy appointment and more and most pro big pharma in that particular fight now you could say well
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what if it's coincidence you know bernie raises lots of money from small donors maybe he just
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coincidentally raises a lot more from donors in the pharmaceuticals industry this is an argument i could
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possibly buy if it happened one year or something like this the fact that it's happening consistently
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year over year for like a decade and more than that it's orders of magnitude higher than the amount
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that this industry is donating to specific candidates who they want to lobby to get their stuff done
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like it doesn't make sense to me how is he raising orders of magnitude more and we're talking like
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five six x more from this industry than this industry which has a an existential profit driven
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motivation to give money to senators to get them to back their projects or get their projects through
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or build artificial barriers why is it that he's able to out raise them to such an extent just
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accidentally and year over year and he happens to back everything the industry does that blew my mind
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when he told me that this morning i could not believe it that's yeah no he's a genuine corporate
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slime ball without a single degree of integrity to his that's really wild that's really you have said
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the covid vaccine was the deadliest vaccine ever made end of quote the reason i said that senator
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sanders is because there were more reports on the var system on the vaccine adverse event reporting
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system which is the only surveillance system that and v v safe and there were more reports of injuries
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and deaths and all other vaccines combined but you what was it that scientists said it saved three
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million according to fair did i don't know because we don't have a good surveillance system
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i know you disagree with the scientific community that oh i just i'm agnostic because we don't have
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the science to make that determination really okay i understand why people before they knew all this
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about him before they knew that he would lean into like a disabled guy like rfk who genuinely if you
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watch rfk rfk is not about making money rfk is not about he genuinely just wants to help people
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and to watch bernie like attack him knowing that bernie is getting what was it like 1.5 million
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the last campaign alongside elizabeth warren who is the second biggest pharma donor i can't believe
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it their brand is so not that this is so surprising to me plus elizabeth warren right you know and i
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think that you see where the integrity really was all along you know you see that he's out there
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attacking trump for stuff that equally applied to biden and yet he never attacked biden for this stuff
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why not you know i think people originally like oh this person doesn't have a spine or an
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intellectual core but that doesn't make me respect them less because they were willing to do
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something that other people weren't willing to do somebody who's like altered against bernie the
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moment he makes a mistake versus somebody who said i support bernie given what i know and then later was
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like i was wrong i respect the latter more than the former infinitely more than the former yeah to be
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more specific here what i respect is somebody who's willing to take a stand say something like i support
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barney and i'm willing to take responsibility if he does something that i disagree with in the
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future or that is in the not best interest of people who share a similar ideology as myself
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it is totally respectable to say you know what i made a stand and i was wrong what i don't think
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is respectable is to refuse to make a stand in the first place somebody who's willing to when they
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maybe internally support bernie say oh well both sides are good that i don't like i am okay with
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you if you were formerly a staunch democrat or communist and now you recognize that is wrong
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if you were a fence-sitter then who leaned left and a fence-sitter now who leans right i am not okay
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i'd also note this in the context of the recent stuff about ukraine because somebody could be like
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well did you mess up in saying that we should invest in trump like is this a mistake and i'd say no
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i actually really agree with what he's saying about ukraine right now if you look at the position
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that he has to make on ukraine at the moment we basically have a choice which is does ukraine
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make territorial concessions to russia this year or do they make territorial concessions to russia
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next year after thousands tens of thousands more deaths territorial consolidations to russia the year
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after that after hundreds of thousands of deaths there is almost no world now in which ukraine
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doesn't end up making territorial concessions to russia that being the case is zelensky willing
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to do that and what we have seen in his statements is no he is not willing to do that and he is hugely
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motivated not to do that given that they're not holding elections right now something that we
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by the way in the united states continue to do during world war ii because a lot of people are like well you
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know a lot of countries stop holding elections during war periods it's like well not us at the
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same time trump saying well zelensky only has four percent support within his own country right now
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that does not appear to be true although it does appear that he probably couldn't win an election
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cycle if one happened right now the point being is that he has a vested interest in the war continuing
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at this point and a personal honor interest i mean a lot of people have died on maintaining the
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territorial borders as they have been now i think for almost half a year at this point so that'd be
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half a year of deaths being completely pointless uh if we call it quits now but it's likely going
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to be what then another year it's just doubling down as bad investment after good and so i completely
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agree with trump on this point and for the individuals who are like well if russia gets what
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they want then they're going to start attacking nato countries very unlikely at this point because
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russia has basically expended an entire generation on this war if this war ends now might they attack
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another country even if they do it's a very high likelihood that they'll just just be absolutely
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destroyed invaded and dismantled it would be the dumbest dumbest dumbest thing for them at this point
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it's not that it's impossible but it would mean the end of russia just because they do not have the
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manpower to maintain an offense as we saw even when part of their own forces decided to double back
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on moscow they had no internal defenses they have thrown everything at this leaving nothing internally
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to defend themselves if they were fighting against a country who could just march on russian territory
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russia would be boned and that's what we would see was a nato war this actually reminds me going
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into this election cycle on the discord somebody was saying look i want to support trump
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but i struggle to because i am afraid what he and jd might do to ivf or making it illegal and i need
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this to have kids so at the end of the day that is my number one voting issue and they say malcolm
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do you still recommend voting for him even given this and i was like yeah i i do and that's me making
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an investment i could have been really really wrong on that and yet we already know that they signed
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an executive order to make ivf cheaper and so i played the right hand there i do you think that
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in general public sentiment is shipping shifting on flip-flopping because in the past i grew up under
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the impression that the worst thing you could do as a politician was change your stance on an issue
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whereas now like as i've grown intellectually the thing i respect most is people who change their
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opinions when presented with new information do you think that the public understands this more broadly
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or do you think that we are not there as a society i think that we will likely undergo some big points
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where this becomes more acceptable i think we've undergone a number of them already i think for example
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a huge one was the jd vance nomination as vp what oh because he was a never trumper he was
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a never trumper he was the most he was the face of the never trump yeah well then you have um people
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like mark zuckerberg who was a huge donor in favor of biden in the 2020 election who then in response to
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trump like saying fight fight fight in response to being shot in the head yeah saying that was one of
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the most like badass things he'd ever seen like i really i respected mark no i respect that but i
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will say with zuckerberg and this is where it matters do you switch sides before it's obvious who's
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gonna win zuckerberg was too tentative he did not go in for trump like elon did elon went in when it could
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have destroyed everything he had ever done in terms of wealth anything like he's like you understand
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i make most of my money off of like government contracts i am beyond f if trump loses this
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election and this is when the everyone all the polls had trump losing the election and elon went in
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and he didn't just go in he went to the campaigns he went to the rallies he put effort into this and i
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think that that's why he edified himself in the mind of the general public in a way that zuckerberg did
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um or or jd vance jd vance went in on trump when when a lot of people still thought that trump didn't
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have a chance well same with you and me we were not always pro trump and in the trump first election
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cycle i i did not support trump at all and i was very hesitant on trump in his second election cycle
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and you could say oh it took me a long time oh i was a poor judge of character whatever i was it took
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me a while to see how evil the democrats had become or how good trump was i think and when i saw that now
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i'm willing to in part i i could say almost as penance is say i really have faith in his administration
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and for some people they see us and they're like oh well i've built my personal reputation or whatever
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on like a well trump is just so uncouth and it's like yes he is uncouth but that's not what i'm judging
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him on i'm judging him on is he going to do right for my value system well so then i think this means that we
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we need to slightly shift the default definition of stan when i first learned about stan culture
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it was in the context of fans of k-pop and then later kind of like taylor swift who no matter what
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if you said something bad about their idol you were going down like you really had to be careful about
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what you said yeah and these are people who you know stands like i think the the concept of stan
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culture is such that you will back this person no matter what and i think that exemplifies actually
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exactly the wrong kind of support that you should lend to a movement or person that the point should
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be that you appreciate the actions of a movement or a person and and not for example their inherent
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nature because you can't control that and that is subject to change similar to like good compliments
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for a partner or a friend or colleague are not like about their inherent nature but about their actions
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or about moments like wow you know the the way that you made breakfast for me this morning or the way
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that you helped me with this without even me asking was just it really made my day is so much more
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meaningful as a comment because this person put effort into that then like wow your shirt looks great
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you know because that's or you know you look pretty um and i think that philosophy should extend
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to this too um so i don't know maybe maybe stan is not the word we should be using maybe it's just
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more about lending support to things that we think are good instead of just trying to look good by
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criticizing everything it's so easy to criticize and it's so hard to support especially something
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that's controversial exactly and i think that here's an example right like obviously we're big supporters
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of elons and the media has repeatedly tried to get trumped in elon to fight each other you look
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at the drudge report like every it's like but the drudge report today oh my god i love the things they
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had on elon today it was the best okay trump musk wage a two-front war as donor does president's dirty
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work this article was just amazingly i tried to be anti-elon but if you're pro elon it was the most pro elon
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the next one goes elon moves with lightning speed to exert control over government the next one says
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the young experience inexperienced engineers helping the next one says given unfettered access
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to private data of government employees the next one says you said staffers told to stay out of hq
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after billionaire closes it usaid yeah yikes uh next one says new official declared competent white
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men must be in charge next one says senior fbi official forcefully resisted firings and let's
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see what happened to him oh next one epa tells more than a thousand they could be fired immediately
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so you see this they're trying to make elon look like a monster but i think to to people who
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they're like oh yeah this is what i was waiting for i will note here that since the speech that
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jd gave in munich i have begun to see this administration as not trump and elon but trump
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elon and jd all moving ahead on their own unique fronts almost as unique executive branches and as
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somebody once pointed out in my entire lifetime i have never seen a vice president who wasn't just an
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an appendage to the president and instead what we're seeing with jd vance is a fully independent
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actor who has his own goals and is marching forwards with them as fast as elon or trump is
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you know while elon is doing these specifics within the government and trump is managing everything
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we have jd uh whether it is his approval of big balls or his takedown of the eu uh doing the verbal
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stuff like the the speeches and new ideas that need to be laid out to remake this country and
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fight the cult that has taken it over well not this country this world which is again i call them the
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triumvirate well there's that's one other aspect actually that not to change the subject too quickly
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but showing support for someone especially when that support is not universal rather than just
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criticizing things that everyone agrees with that is is one of the most meaningful ways to show your
00:26:43.840
value to someone and to be useful to someone possible so there's fertility i'm well how are you
00:26:56.640
okay that's great news pneumonia didn't take him out he's a fighter he's a fighter you got to keep
00:27:03.520
going simone you got to keep taking the medic medic medications i will okay let's see back to what
00:27:10.080
i'm making is that elon recently has done some stuff where i'm like that is a bad investment sign in in
00:27:17.760
the elon sphere specifically like the boosting accounts on uh various games to try to look like
00:27:24.720
he was a world player when you know and he said he said look you can't compete with the asians unless you
00:27:31.360
do this and he's right about that right and he did pretend and then banning asthma gold for on on x
00:27:41.440
and honestly it was not a good look and it's one of the things where i need to be like okay i'm
00:27:48.160
reevaluating do i does this make me judge his ability to handle these government things less to handle the
00:27:55.040
government shrink downs less does it no it doesn't but it's something that i need to take into account
00:28:00.880
which stains my reputation because i supported him and continue to support him but i think that that's
00:28:06.800
the important thing are you willing to take these stains on your reputation because you made a bet on
00:28:12.720
somebody else i do i do take exception to current societal trends around assuming that because you
00:28:22.880
support someone for one thing means you endorse everything else they do because that's the
00:28:27.360
difference between endorsing everything else you do and saying that overall they're a good bet
00:28:32.800
yeah but i think that it's really clear that elon musk is a he's very consistently good at some
00:28:38.240
things and he's he's very famously controversial on some other things he's he's famous for doing
00:28:45.680
certain things that get him in trouble and he's done those things multiple times in that way he's
00:28:50.720
extremely trustworthy because he's also rather predictable and that that makes him you know
00:28:55.840
someone that i personally would trust like from a political or policy standpoint more than a lot
00:29:02.000
of other people because he acts pretty consistently side note here because i know some of our fans will
00:29:06.640
be like oh what about your knights versus kings dichotomy in terms of males because i talk about alphas
00:29:12.720
and betas and i say this is a bad dichotomy you you actually have most males divide into the knights or
00:29:18.320
kings category and one of the things about kings is they don't like following other people
00:29:23.440
and i know i fall into this category to a moral fault which is to say that i struggle to be a part
00:29:30.160
of a clique when i am not the head person of a clique that is not a sign of being extra manly that is a
00:29:36.720
sign of a weak personal ego so i have this mindset and so people can look at that and say hey
00:29:42.880
malcolm how can you stand to support somebody else as being above you like trump and elon and jd vance
00:29:51.360
the triumvirate and the answer here is a few fold one i am sort of the figurehead of a movement the
00:29:58.000
pronatalist movement and people support me whether it's because of that movement or because of this
00:30:03.280
channel not because of me specifically but because they trust me to make the decisions that are in the
00:30:12.000
best interest of other people who support a similar ideology and if that requires sublimating myself
00:30:20.000
to another individual even if it goes against my pride of course it is my duty to do that or i have
00:30:26.960
betrayed the individuals who put their trust in me and for what benefit for the sake of my ego i i
00:30:33.200
betrayed my values and in the past that was most likely to see my values realized in the world
00:30:40.480
especially when those values are aligned was what the potential collapse of our civilization
00:30:45.680
i gave up on fighting that just for my ego but even outside of that the individuals that i'm
00:30:51.280
sublimating myself to the reason i am able to say i support these individuals decisions without the
00:30:57.920
strong emotional dissonance that i might otherwise feel is that none of these individuals have ever
00:31:03.760
signaled that they think that they're better than me and i wouldn't say for any reporters who might be
00:31:09.040
listening to this i am not saying that i actually know any of these individuals or talk to them but
00:31:14.240
they have let's just say publicly always treated me with respect and as an equal despite having
00:31:22.000
significantly less wealth and power than them which is something that is going to make it very easy for
00:31:28.720
someone like me to follow them and say okay yeah this individual isn't lording this over me
00:31:33.840
i mean i actually think that that's why trump did so well in the first election cycle is despite his
00:31:38.640
big ego and everything like that it doesn't rely on putting other people down or seeing himself as
00:31:44.400
better than other people but the yeah the other point i was making though is that your value to
00:31:49.040
other people can also be widely determined by especially if you yourself has a good have a good
00:31:54.400
reputation by costly signaling which is putting your reputation on the line to support them when they're
00:31:59.520
doing something controversial and improved this could be anything from like writing a letter of
00:32:03.600
recommendation to someone who may be you know earlier in their career and who just needs a good rep to
00:32:09.200
you know standing up for someone online and whenever we get attacked on twitter normally no one stands up
00:32:15.520
but recently a couple people you know will actually stand up for us and be like hey look look at this
00:32:20.080
point look at that point but they're putting their reputation consistently on the line if we do something
00:32:24.000
crazy in the future they get attacked for it they could even lose their jobs for it yeah and i mean
00:32:30.640
but i i now regard those people very differently because you know when when someone is willing to
00:32:37.040
stand up for you now i don't think that elon musk feels that way about the people who stand up for
00:32:41.120
him online because there are so many it doesn't really matter i think this matters more on a mic but i just
00:32:48.080
want to point that out that like standing up for someone i disagree with what you're saying here a
00:32:57.280
where i'd push back is this idea that you can reach a level of fame where the people who stand
00:33:00.880
up for you don't matter to trump they obviously still matter they may not matter to elon but they
00:33:06.160
do matter to trump i think they matter to trump coming from certain people on like certain news networks
00:33:12.320
or like channels that really matter to him but just random random people betting people for jobs
00:33:18.800
i bet you he has people look at what's being what they said online did they stand up for him or did
00:33:24.640
they turn their back on him that's a test of loyalty though not so much of like oh i'm gonna feel sad
00:33:30.320
if this random i disagree it's not a test of loyalty it was a test of loyalty jd bands never would have
00:33:34.880
passed the test of where are you now which is different from traditional loyalty i think
00:33:44.400
and i think this also is true for our fans you know we have a controversial reputation
00:33:48.800
and when people decide to support us they put their potential careers at risk they put a lot
00:33:55.680
of stuff at risk like when we're out there people can see us as loose cannons and we're not actually as
00:34:00.400
loose cannons as we appear we actually have like lists of the things that we're willing to break
00:34:04.400
rake on lists of the things we're willing to be controversial like the positions we hold on
00:34:10.240
trans stuff are not like me shooting off the cuff this is like days of conversation i had with simone
00:34:16.160
like are you comfortable going out and taking this position publicly given what it could do to our
00:34:21.440
careers which is you know maybe now it might be mainstream maybe maybe we made the right investment
00:34:27.120
on this position early on but when we first made it it was a very risky position to make especially
00:34:33.440
given that we have trans friends or had trans friends i don't know i haven't had the guts to
00:34:38.160
talk to them since then because i don't want to deal with it you know it's like whatever right
00:34:41.920
but the the point being is we took a stance on that when it was still a really risky stance to take
00:34:48.320
and so i'd say that for our own audience like in the same way and people can be like well why why
00:34:53.920
why do you when it comes to trump or elon or whatever act this way it's because i would want other
00:34:59.360
people to act that way towards me and i think if i'm the type of person who's going to go out there
00:35:03.760
and say oh i always support people when they do exactly what aligns with my value system and i always
00:35:08.880
attack them if they do anything that deviates from my value system i i would i i don't think that anyone
00:35:17.920
could really support me right like how could you because you know that this person lacks any loyalty to
00:35:24.640
others because that's what loyalty means in the age of the internet you know people have forgotten i
00:35:29.600
think the concept of loyalty right like they're they they they think that showing a lack of loyalty
00:35:36.240
is a thing of value instead of being able to say i disagree with what the king did here but i'm still
00:35:42.640
one of his knights right and i still you know broadly i haven't been driven to betray the kingdom yet
00:35:49.840
and i think that's what loyalty is loyalty isn't following somebody whenever they're doing
00:35:56.240
exactly what aligns with your value system that's just serving your own best interest loyalty is being
00:36:01.760
a reliable ally even when somebody doesn't exactly follow your value system and i think that if you
00:36:09.120
ever want a movement or an ideology to become mainstream to influence the mainstream you need to be
00:36:16.240
willing to be loyal to people who don't always a hundred percent align with you i think that's
00:36:21.120
always i mean or i'm under the impression that's what alliances were from the beginning the whole point
00:36:28.640
in there being an alliance is because you have two parties that are distinct that are not exactly the
00:36:34.080
same there is no such thing as an alliance if you're on the same page with everything because then
00:36:38.960
you're just the same entity so an alliance means you're different an alliance means that there are
00:36:44.720
some things on which you disagree so i agree with you on that and you can't really build
00:36:50.560
anything that's powerful or meaningful without having some alliances so i'm with you on that but
00:36:56.960
well it was in the online world what an alliance or loyalty means has changed like you used to be able to
00:37:03.680
maybe voice your misgivings privately or even vehemently privately and still be a loyal ally to someone
00:37:12.160
that isn't true in the age of the internet if you voice misgivings you need to do it couched
00:37:18.240
and a i still support this person yeah and i'm wondering have i seen that recently have you seen that
00:37:26.720
recently no i honestly haven't seen many people who to me like demonstrate loyalty and integrity as i
00:37:35.680
define it as online influencers among so many people it has become so normalized to be like i can't wait
00:37:42.000
till they mess up so i can turn on them whereas that's not the way i feel with the administration
00:37:46.800
at all if elon or trump messes up i am going to feel like i misled people and i'm not going to take any
00:37:53.040
glee in reporting on that or saying like i'm disappointed in this behavior or or what they did here and i think
00:38:00.400
that this sort of preemptive glee and the in the mistakes of your own side shows such a degree of
00:38:07.040
disloyalty that makes me really sad that this has been normalized or even glorified in our society
00:38:14.560
hmm so what you'd like to see from i guess our own family our own kids is
00:38:20.000
loyalty but with a willingness to criticize respectfully and tactfully for example within
00:38:31.200
a small group you may show loyalty and especially signal public loyalty to someone but if you're
00:38:39.200
concerned about what they're doing you privately air those concerned with them at first and don't
00:38:44.800
actually show any public hesitation around them unless you've completely lost faith in them
00:38:50.480
like they're really showing that they're unwilling to change their peace and that's actually something
00:38:54.160
that you discussed with me a lot in the very beginning because i had this tact like this thing
00:38:58.160
that i would do or just to like keep the social peace around your family i would just throw you under
00:39:04.800
the bus when the family piled on like when you i don't know we're doing something controversial
00:39:10.880
and the family just was being really mean to you i just couldn't deal with the social conflict
00:39:14.800
so i'd be like yeah they're right just knock it off malcolm and you were like simone this doesn't
00:39:20.080
make you look good it makes you look like you're you just completely don't respect me at all as a
00:39:25.120
partner and like you're two-faced as a partner and what you really should do is if you disagree with
00:39:30.240
me and you absolutely should air things with me when you disagree with me do it in private you know
00:39:35.200
like wait until after but don't do it in public because that makes you look bad it hurts me
00:39:41.040
and it doesn't really help anyone else so i think that that's that's also something that
00:39:47.040
i've learned from you which is absolutely yes disagree with someone do it in private at first
00:39:53.280
and yeah maybe in the end if they don't listen to you if they show that they vehemently disagree
00:39:57.920
with a view that you hold really strongly then yeah you're probably going to publicly detract from
00:40:01.760
them but the classy way to disagree with someone is to show support for them be a pro and then behind
00:40:13.760
closed doors are your concerns yeah and the final thing i'd note on this is someone might say well
00:40:21.120
what if neither party really represents my value system right if you're out there saying well i invest
00:40:26.480
in this party i invest in i i think that this party will do a good job and i think when i invested
00:40:32.000
in the current trump party i did not expect them to even do as good a good job as they had i feel like
00:40:37.840
in terms of an investment surpassed expectations surpassed expectations in terms of payoff but i feel
00:40:44.240
really edified for and even if they make a mistake in the future i'm gonna be like yeah but
00:40:49.200
did you really think they would do that much on like dei and stuff but so you'd be like what if
00:40:54.720
neither party represents my values right supporting no party in an election supporting no side in a
00:41:02.160
conflict is not the default option that is the most extreme option you can take in a democracy or a
00:41:11.520
voter-based system i'm not saying that you should never do it but you need to understand that is the
00:41:17.040
burn it down option that is when you're out there and saying neither party is better than the other
00:41:23.760
party that is an extreme effing position to take and people take that position like it's a trivial
00:41:32.640
safe position to take that is not a that is saying that you literally think that both parties are so
00:41:38.720
corrupt that there is no difference between them mm-hmm that is that is and i i it's it's not an insane
00:41:45.920
position because it is true in some democracies at some periods in history but it is a bold effing
00:41:53.600
position to take but people take it as if i don't agree with everything either party says and it's like
00:42:00.800
yeah but that's not what you're being asked okay we have to choose one side because this is an election
00:42:07.600
because this is a democracy okay and if and if you choose a throwaway candidate like the green party or
00:42:14.160
something like that then you also need to take in mind do i believe that the two major parties are
00:42:20.160
so fundamentally corrupt that there isn't i'm not saying that they're not corrupt there is corruption
00:42:25.360
within both of the parties no there's also corruption within small parties yeah but that there isn't a
00:42:31.280
party that's better than the other party that there isn't one because because it matters in a democracy
00:42:39.120
if one party happens to be better than another party it effing matters because you if what do you
00:42:46.800
think would be happening right now if camilla had won for example i mean more of the same i'm just
00:42:53.040
assuming the same like deep state that's been doing everything as it has been doing everything in the
00:42:57.680
past million in condoms going to gaza yeah it would just be the counterfactual which was what was
00:43:02.400
happening before which was not good million in dei contracts yeah well it's not the counterfactual it's
00:43:08.720
the destruction of of democracy yeah but that's what was happening that is the counterfactual but
00:43:14.480
anyway yeah i think you continue a big trend that i've seen in like maybe with the rise of just online
00:43:25.040
scrutiny and people being afraid of being criticized online is a fear of doing or saying anything that can
00:43:31.120
get you criticized i think a lot of what we're discussing has to do not necessarily with a fear
00:43:38.080
of endorsing certain people but just a fear of being criticized for anything at all and part of me
00:43:49.520
fears that this is only going to get worse as people become more terminally online and have fewer
00:43:57.120
offline sort of friendships and sources of reinforcement and happiness and connection
00:44:04.480
i think i think what we need to do is we need to reward the people who risk criticism
00:44:11.360
if you don't except here's the problem is that people are much more loss averse than they are reward
00:44:16.240
hungry and that's just true like it shows up in in social science studies and research to be big enough
00:44:22.720
i guess i i just i'm not really sure if this trend can be counteracted as sad as that sounds and i i
00:44:32.800
get that i mean it's important for us to extol the virtues of supporting something and standing for
00:44:38.720
something and i would argue that you know like from churchill giving that famous quote of something like
00:44:44.720
you know you've you know so someone hates you that means you stood up for something sometime in your
00:44:48.720
life something along those lines like churchill said that because it was rare for people to stand
00:44:53.760
up for someone something like even then and that was before there was this level of like online
00:44:59.360
criticism and scrutiny that there is now so i would say that this is a very deep set human tendency
00:45:07.600
and it's very nice for us to say i wish that people stood up for no you could say it's nice for us to
00:45:14.480
say that we have put our fucking money where our mouth is whether it's in supporting political
00:45:19.760
candidates supporting unpopular causes or anything we have consistently put ourselves in positions to be
00:45:26.400
criticized well and i guess the the final conclusion that i'll make is here's the the ultimate pitch for
00:45:34.000
standing up for something you will not matter in the larger scheme of history if you don't stand up for
00:45:42.240
anything because either you are riding a wave that is inevitable and that will happen regardless
00:45:47.120
with you with or with with or without you meaning that you didn't matter in that wave you were just
00:45:51.360
part of the wave you were you were a molecule within the ocean no one cares the only reason why you
00:45:57.520
have made a dent in space-time in history is because you have done something counter to the wave
00:46:04.960
you've done something counter to what your normal intuition and default basal lazy instincts would do
00:46:12.480
so ultimately most people are going to say it's not worth it for me to do this and they're just not
00:46:17.920
going to do it but for those few people who quote unquote want to matter which means you have actually
00:46:24.000
made the world different because of your existence you really need to take this seriously because if you
00:46:28.480
don't stand up for anything you literally will not matter sound good if you don't stand up for anything you
00:46:40.720
she she stands she stands do you stand little industry
00:46:44.320
oh she's pooped a lot so let's get that poop handle
00:46:56.000
she invested in the poop emoji and it is it is doing well yeah she stands defecation
00:47:04.800
for sure all right and i think her whole family does because now octavian is obsessed with poop
00:47:09.680
jokes so he loves poop jokes i just think it's so funny because i remember liking poop jokes oh god
00:47:15.520
it's genetic isn't it he's not even liking gay jokes okay it's poop jokes like i was like being
00:47:20.000
funheaded as a kid okay like octavian like in poop jokes whatever god no i'm trying so hard at least
00:47:28.160
i'm like octavian you have to start using different types of jokes you know like you can't just say the
00:47:32.240
same thing you have to use variation and then like he just keeps using variations of poop and
00:47:38.880
like he just gets diaper glasses yeah like he can't he can't yeah we gotta we gotta work workshop this
00:47:46.400
i'm like octavian comedians train comedians comedians develop a craft they work really hard you know
00:47:52.400
you you can't just say classmate is effing hilarious oh god his teacher hates it we get calls from his
00:47:59.600
teacher i don't care i'm like my five-year-old is making poo jokes you deal with it lady five-year-olds
00:48:04.720
make poo jokes alien he's not making jokes like ethnic jokes or something i need to teach him a few
00:48:11.680
of those no no i have a whole new world to be afraid of because she calls the mother not the father
00:48:16.880
obviously i guess teachers have learned intuitively over all this time to call the mothers about the
00:48:23.200
you girls you don't call the father because he'll be like oh yeah that's a that's a good one i taught
00:48:28.080
him that one yeah oh god all right well gird my loins for whatever new report he comes home with
00:48:36.080
tonight i love you malcolm i love you too oh are we doing leftover muffledo food for you tonight or are
00:48:42.640
we doing you dan dan oh yeah i would like that i don't think there is there is yeah but if you have
00:48:49.920
that for lunch tomorrow i think it's too late to freeze but if you have it for lunch tomorrow it's
00:48:54.080
fine so okay i'll do it for lunch tomorrow and tonight we'll do dan dan is it like is there actually
00:48:59.520
a jar that says dan dan i'm gonna look to see if there is i'm gonna go down right now okay i will
00:49:04.560
handle the poop and then i will be done love you love you oh gosh what are they doing titan