The Virus! (How Wokeism Kills Organizations)
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In this episode, we talk about The Woke Virus, a group of white supremacists who are spreading a neo-Marxist ideology through social media and other means to erode the culture of others. We talk about how the virus spreads and how we can fight it.
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It is a form, a new form, you could call it neo-European imperialism.
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Its goal is to target and erase the cultures of not just because it's gotten bad at erasing
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the cultural background of the people who live near it.
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So now, because as soon as somebody is infected with it, it tells them, oh, we want you to
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Just do whatever that you want to do in the moment.
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And that will make you happier in the long term, right?
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And don't allow anyone else to challenge you for doing those things.
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But in doing that, it makes people not have kids.
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And it causes bigger problems when they say, okay, well, now we need to get immigrants into
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the country because they don't have a resistance to us and we'll just take their children.
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And well, then these immigrant groups, they begin to get wise to this as well.
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And they're like, hey, I don't want you to take our kids.
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And then people like us, traditional conservatives, we go to the immigrant groups and we're like,
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And I think that this is the real turning that we are having as a society now.
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No, my brain can't handle things because it's so female.
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So one of the things that we often get is people are like, why don't you do more like explicitly
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pronatalist stuff or explicitly stuff about the virus or explicitly stuff about stuff that
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are like main talking points for us when we're on other podcasts.
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And the core reason is, is we've actually tried to, like we've recorded a number of episodes
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on the topic of the virus and how it works, but they end up like, you know, like a cart
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following a path that's been read, written through a bunch of times and grooves get dug
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And then the cart just slips into those grooves and it ends up going the same route.
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And that leads to a very boring conversation because it's the exact same talking points
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I go through whenever I'm on somebody else's show.
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And I know that you guys have heard all of them before.
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And so in talking about the virus this time, we're going to give it another shot, but we're
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We are going to explore it through the lens of a specific organization to understand how the
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virus spreads and how to potentially fight the virus, how to recognize the virus and how
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So when I talk about the virus, I'm talking about the cult, whatever you want to call it,
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this thing that is becoming an increasing and increasing influence in our society.
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People want to call it wokeness, but calling it wokeness is wrong.
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It's also specifically not actually in advocacy or in favor of what you would consider to be
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Like it doesn't serve actual social justice outcomes.
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Anyone who actually cares about these causes is going to find over time that this is doing
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So also it is unfair to call it woke because it is inherently not woke.
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And so you actually had a great way of putting this in context with like the current conflict
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So you were saying that like, you know, in the same way that Hamas will set up its headquarters
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in hospitals to defend itself and like, you know, be in the most defensible position.
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Because it knows that to attack it, you have to attack a vulnerable group.
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So it specifically puts itself where, you know, if it gets bombed or something, then they
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can go, oh, look, they're bombing you in the hospital.
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You clearly hate children and sick people.
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So this sort of woke virus sets itself up within the most vulnerable communities.
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And it uses the agents within those communities to perform the most insane and unspeakable of
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its injustices so that the other side ends up targeting and bombing those communities basically.
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And then it can go, oh, look, gay people, LGBT community, they hate you.
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Oh, you know, look, BLM community, they hate you.
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But it's because they are intentionally drawing this ire on those communities.
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So it is a human, it is a human, a vulnerable human shield strategy.
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And it is, it is inherently therefore sickening and disgusting.
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You must be racist or homophobic or, you know, they'll be to use these words where they've
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set up their headquarters in these vulnerable communities because they like to use those
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But this very tactic, this very tactic victimizes and hurts the causes that it proposes to support
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the people that it supposes to proposes to protect.
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While we're talking about what's going on in Israel right now, one of the things that
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we've been seeing increasingly among our social circles, especially among young people, is
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I think a lot of young people, they go into life, even if they have these intuitions that
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like the system that they're living in is lying to them, that it's controlled by this sort
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And that for now, they will just stay under the cover.
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For now, they can probably play it politically neutrally.
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And then things happen that just like a baseball bat hitting a cage over and over again that
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they're in, they're like, oh, like this is worse than I thought.
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The response that leftist organizations have had to the atrocities committed by Hamas for
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a lot of the young Gen Z that we know in the US, who at least was like, I'd say, open
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I won't even say that they were partially right-leaning, has really been radicalized.
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I think one of the things that keeps happening with the left is they do not realize when they
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are radicalizing these communities because they have created an environment where these
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communities are afraid to speak freely or let them know how angry they are getting or
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how much of their opinion of the left has changed.
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But what I can say is opinions are shifting really severely due to the approved set of
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And people should buckle the fuck up for what ends up coming after this.
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And the left would be like, oh, you must mean like young Jews.
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No, I mean like young Iranians in the US, like they are horrified at the response, horrified.
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But anyway, to get to this, we, for this topic, are going to use TED as an organization to sort
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of do an anatomy of what it looks like for an organization to become infected and what
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To this memetic virus, which again is not a woke virus.
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It is a strong memetic virus that has been strengthened in the face of globalism, the
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internet, you know, basically technology that has allowed this memetic strain to make itself
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Number of like features, like we're not, it's not like a vague thing.
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Like people will ask, well, what do you mean by wokeness?
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So this virus that we're talking about, sometimes when people are trying to define wokeness, which
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again, this is not one-to-one overlap with wokeness, it's a much bigger thing than just
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wokeness, but it is what the naive identify as wokeness.
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It's a virulent memetic strain that is not defined by a set of values, which is very important.
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It's more defined by a set of behavior patterns, a set of ways it infiltrates organizations, a
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set of ways it proliferates within organizations, and a set of ways that it enforces its cultural
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It is much closer to saying, what is Buddhism or something like that?
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It's like, well, that's a really complex set of belief systems, except unlike Buddhism, it's
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not a traditional intergenerational belief system, but rather a virus that spreads not
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through improving the quality of life of people who hold it as a belief and encouraging them to
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have more kids, but through using them as vectors through which it can convert organizations
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and then use organizations to convert additional infected vectors.
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These are also very expensive to attend conferences.
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This has been happening for like, what, roughly 20 years.
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This originally was a pretty high quality speaking series that would, you know, be attended in the
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form of a conference and then the talks would be made available for free online through TED's
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You know, whoever is invited to give a TED Talk is able to have, you know, significant reach.
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It has changed the course of research academically, for example.
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It will change the way that everyone views a subject.
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And then later, it'll turn out that their research wasn't replicated.
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This is actually a common issue with TED Talks that we're not going to talk about on this podcast.
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But this is, suffice it to say, TED Talks are extremely influential.
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And they also change the way that, I would say, like a certain educated leadership knowledge
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worker class of developed world comes to view reality.
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Before you go further, given what you have laid out about TED Talks already, I think that
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the audience can see and infer why a virus trying to spread memetically would differentially
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Like if, for example, a virus benefits from infecting a super spreader who is exposing themselves
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and intimately contacting the vulnerable, that is to say, like capable of catching contagion
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So this is the perfect vector, the perfect vector to infect.
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If you wanted to set the narrative to determine what's true and what's untrue and to spread
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And it's very important to determine what's true and untrue.
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Because this means if something threatens your ability to spread as a memetic virus, if some
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fact, if some study, well, now you can use this institution to suppress that, which allows
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you to spread faster within other organizations.
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So you as TED would be a key target for the virus.
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Like these are all of the top targeted institutions.
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Anything that has a wide reach like this is going to have a huge amount of effort to break
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This is why Twitter was so infected by the time that Musk acquired it.
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It was the perfect institution to infect if you wanted to spread a memetic virus and disseminate
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And so to give an example of like the influence that TED Talks have had, someone gave a TED
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That is to say, like standing with your legs spread and your hands on your hips, you know,
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Then I just like everyone believed that, you know, everyone wrote about, of course, this
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And then, you know, later that there was some nuance introduced, you know, that that information
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hasn't perfectly been replicated, you know, caveat, caveat.
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And so, you know, there were very innocuous ways in which TED Talks were capable of releasing
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If they were, you know, among those paying insane amounts of money to attend in person.
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And I know this is too, after a while, like we just stopped listening to TED Talks because
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And most of them just felt like they were kind of about social justice narratives.
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And we're like, oh, you know, what's going on here?
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And I recently listened to an all in podcast episode, of course, great podcast.
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Everyone listens to it about what happened to TED.
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And they interviewed Coleman Hughes, who was invited to go on to TED and give a talk on
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And the way that TED works when you're invited to go give a TED Talk is you choose your subject.
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And then you go through a huge amount of coaching and iteration to give this very tight
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And then you go on stage and you give the talk and everyone loves you and you enjoy massive
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success because of the platform boost that you just got.
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So Coleman Hughes, his, he wanted to talk about his next book.
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And he wanted to talk about why we should be colorblind.
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And on the all in podcast, he was interviewing, he talked about his experience, giving this
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TED Talk about why we should all be colorblind and seeing what happened when he gave what you
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I mean, it's, it's a pretty controversial thing to argue in favor of colorblindness and to
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argue anything, anything that doesn't tow the mainstream line of, of anti-racism, even
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if you're black and he is super, super dangerous thing to do.
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And in a nutshell, what he experienced was he gave the talk.
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96% of the audience was like super fine and cool with it.
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A couple of people, especially people on stage, you noticed like viscerally and physically
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And then after he gave his talk, a subgroup within the TED staff, that is to say like this
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conference staff, you know, like submitted a formal complaint about his talk, that this
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was intolerable, that TED was platforming, you know, the horrible, racist, terrible ideas.
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And then Coleman Hughes ended up finding himself in this protracted negotiation with the organization
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TED about how his talk was going to be released on their website and on YouTube.
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And ultimately, after not agreeing to have his talk appended with a debate discussing the
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legitimacy of his views, or even released on the same day as that debate, which he did
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agree to have and which he did have, he had his video released.
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And then later the debate was released, but he found that his video only got 13% of the
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traffic given to the lowest performing video that was also released that day.
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In other words, TED clearly had throttled the amount of traffic and visibility that his video
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had gotten. And he became very sort of disenchanted with the organization of TED, that he was sort
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of misled. He wasn't told that his video would have throttled breach. He, you know, TED was
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supposed to be a place where people could discuss heterodox ideas, revolutionary ideas, dangerous
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ideas. And this was sort of like the tipping point at which it was just super obvious that
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this organization had been hollowed out. Now, the guy who invited him to talk probably was pretty
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cool with his message. But the problem is that by this point, he would have experienced essentially
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an employee rebellion had he not conceded to the complaints of this very passionate group
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that he submitted, you know, an impassioned complaint.
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Let's talk about why the virus would care about this message being distributed.
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So what the virus tells people and organizations in order to affect it is that only by accepting
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us, accepting our faith, basically, I mean, it's really like a religion or a cult, can you remove
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all emotional pain first from your organization and then from the world. And the thesis of the virus
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is that emotional pain is something that is born overwhelmingly by specific groups of individuals
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who are more vulnerable than other groups of individuals. And through teaching everyone to
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treat these vulnerable individuals as sort of elevated status of sort of priests of the virus,
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then we can fix this. And through always subverting your ideas to them. So
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if two people disagree with in a company, and one of them is of one of these protected groups,
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and the other one isn't, then the one who isn't has to back down from this disagreement. And the one
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who is has to say, aha, I was right. The core groups raised are trans individuals, women,
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I mean, we're more talking about intersectionality. So it's actually like what who has the combination
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of the most vulnerable statuses. Exactly. But as soon as it begins is these ideas begin to infect an
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organization, they give enormous power to anyone who happens to be of one of these groups, which
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incentivizes them to encourage the expansion of these ideas and bodies within the organization
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that enforce these ideas. And one of the reasons why, and we said this, why the definition of transness,
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like we would be considered trans by the current definition of transness. Specifically, we don't
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really identify with any gender. I just don't think it's that important, which makes us a gender, which
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makes us gender queer, which makes us trans. Why is it important that the trans identity continues to
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expand? And it's not something that you can scientifically pin down, something we talk about in the
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Trans People Are Canonically Magical video. Because I do think there are real trans people who were
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really and are in some environments still really persecuted against. It's because it allows any
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individual within one of these organizations to become one of these disenfranchised classes like we
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could. We could just say we're trans because we are technically trans by the definitions of trans.
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We wanted to take the social cost of identifying that way publicly. But we would be, in this case,
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all of a sudden within any conservative organization likely, have our statuses dramatically lower.
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But within organizations that are infected, have our status dramatically raised. So now we have a
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huge incentive to promote and expand the infection to new organizations that we are affiliated with.
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So we are also on the board of some other organization or something like that. So once these
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individuals are like, okay, I want to expand within this organization. I want the power of these ideas
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to grow within this organization. I want to infect more people. If you think of organizations as a sort of
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nodal cloud, I want to infect more people in the organization with the virus. How do you do that?
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Well, what you do is you set up ESG departments or you set up, and not all ESG departments. Some ESG
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departments are like actual good ESG departments, but some are really just like, we're going to give
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everyone in this organization a test to make sure they all hold the same ideas about how power should
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be structured in our society and about norms for interacting with other people. And they're going
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to understand why it's important that if they're in any other organizations, that they cause those
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organizations to create an ESG department. I think of it almost like a cancer. When a cancer forms in
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a human, it releases hormones that cause like blood vessels to begin to grow around it. So that is
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getting a disproportionate amount of nutrients and energy from the organization that is not tied to
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the organization's real mission or message. This is not what Ted was about. Ted was not about spreading
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the ideas of the cult of the virus. But as soon as the virus had set itself up within the organization,
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then it began to develop these tumors, which you will see in any infected organization.
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These tumors then begin to convert as many people within the organization as possible,
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while also silencing any output from the organization that might be in any way unuseful to
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the virus or the cult. And so that's what had happened with Ted at this point. It became
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this sort of tumorous zombie. Now, eventually, as you've seen with Ted, nobody listens to it anymore,
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really. Or I mean, it still has reach, but nothing like it used to. And so this virus lacks a lot of
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intentionality. It may have the intentionality of a slime mold. It can be like, this organization has a
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lot of reach. So the iterations of myself that targeted organizations with a lot of reach outcompeted
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the iterations of myself. Basically, it's just evolution. The iterations of it that disproportionately
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target organizations with a lot of reach are the iterations of it that exist in higher numbers.
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But another thing happens, because all iterations of it kill the host. All iterations of it make the
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host, or at least make the host ineffective. Well, then the host can no longer spread the message
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anymore. So then it needs to kill the host, or the iterations of it which did kill the host
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were the ones that spread more. This makes it more parasitoidal than like a typical parasite.
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Like one of those wasps that weighs caterpillar, like little worms inside a caterpillar that split
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open from the caterpillar. Yeah. And what you mean by parasitoidal, because not everyone has a
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biology background or it's been a while. Parasitoids are different from parasites in that they always
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kill the host. So the classic example is one of these caterpillars where a wasp lays its eggs in it,
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and then the little worms eat it from the inside and explode out from it. Or, you know, that ant,
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the fungus that grows in the ant's brain and causes it to climb high on the stocking and then
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spurt from its head. So then spurs, spores can go as far as possible. But this is an important
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distinction, because if you actually care about the values that many of these most vulnerable to
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the virus, to the cult organizations support, you really need to understand the actual dynamics of
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this virus that is spreading within them and destroying their causes. Because their causes are
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extremely undermined by the presence of the virus, by the virus hollowing them out and taking them
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over. Yeah. So any organization, when it reaches a late stage infection, which is just like a certain
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number of people within the organization infected to a certain degree, where really all they're ever
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thinking about is the virus anymore, they're no longer useful. Like if all of these nodes are sort
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of captured within this one cloud, so the virus needs to rip open the cloud so the nodes can spill out
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like spores into the environment and affect a bunch of different organizations. You know, this is what
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happened with Occupy Wall Street. This is what happened with Gawker. I mean, obviously there was
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external pressures on that one as well. This is what happened with Chaz or CHOP or whatever you want
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to call it. You begin to see the leadership become radically divided. Everyone begins accusing everyone
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else of whatever, right? And they begin fighting a bunch. And the internal power fights lead to the
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organization dying, splitting up, and the spores going out and infecting new organizations now that
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they've been sort of completely brainwashed. And this is, as Simone said, really bad because it
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means that the organizations that this virus disproportionately targets, which are usually
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the most historically pro-social organizations because they're the most open to infection.
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You know, if it goes to, let's talk about like religious organizations. If it goes to a conservative
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iteration of one of these religious organizations, they'll just tell it to fuck off. But if it goes to an
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extremely historically progressive one, and this is why it's so common in progressive environments,
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and why it has hollowed out so many progressive causes, you know, whether that be the civil rights
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movement or feminism or anything, you know, now these things or the progressive iterations of
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many religions, this is why, you know, when we say, you know, if you ask progressive Muslim or
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progressive Catholic or progressive Protestant, you know, what do you think of gender? What do you
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think of sexuality? What do you think of our relationship to the environment? What do you think of morality?
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What do you think of like the future of humanity should be? You're going to get the exact same answers.
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But if you talk to conservatives from those traditions, they'll have wildly different answers
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because they aren't really of that tradition anymore. They're of one cultural group, the virus,
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which, or the cult or whatever you want to call it, which has hollowed out their traditions and now
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wears them like a ghoulish skin suit. So when I go to someone and, and I'm like, Hey, what you are
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doing under the name of feminism is one clearly against the actual goals of feminism and two really cruel and
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messed up and dehumanizing of men. And they'll say, well, look at all the great things feminism
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did historically. And I'm like, yeah, but you're not acting like those people. You're not doing the
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things that they did historically. You are just operating on the same orders that everyone else
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Well, and we also need to look at outcomes. When you look at what past feminist activists did and
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you see what happened, Oh, women got the right to vote. Oh, women entered the workplace. Oh,
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women entered universities at much higher rates. What's happening now. One of the leading male
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figure influencers among youth is Andrew Tate. Like this is clearly not working very well anymore.
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And I think, you know, the same thing exists with racism. When you look at a lot of polling about,
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you know, are, are, are race relations better in the United States now is racism better in the
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United States. People are saying, no, it's not. So clearly, you know, all these organizations that
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purport to be addressing this, that purport to be making it better appear to be making matters
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worse, or at least making the perception of racism much worse, which is deeply disturbing.
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And you could argue that actually a lot of the actual racism, much worse. I mean, we can talk
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for actual, you know, deaths in, in, you know, neighborhoods that are vulnerable or higher
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now because, you know, post Pope George Floyd protest, et cetera. Right. That's what you're
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Well, I'm telling you what, you know, what doesn't help black people is removing police
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from black neighborhoods. If you, if you look at polling from black communities, they did not
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want this to happen. This was just the virus, you know, it does not care about the people
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It is not helping the causes it purports to support.
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BLM as a burning down Hispanic neighborhoods. And let's be clear, that's what they were burning
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down. A lot of people are not like, because the media really hides what's happening in a
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lot of these instances, they will not tell things that are off message to people. If you look at the
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LA riots, why was it the Korean communities were disproportionately targeted? A lot of people don't know
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this. They're like, they know about the Korean roof ciphers, but they don't know about the rest
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of what was going on. They don't know why the Korean neighborhoods were targeted is because
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they were recent immigrants. So they often lived around where intergenerational poverty occurred
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in black neighborhoods. So they wouldn't be on the outskirts of this. So when they would go out
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and they were destroying things, it was mostly recent immigrant neighborhoods. In the recent BLM
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riots, this shops being burnt down as people who have a very wide network of Hispanic friends.
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The way that information travels within those communities is different than the way it travels
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within mainstream communities. It mostly travels through family networks. And they know who burnt
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down their stores. They know exactly, after a year of liberal hand-wringing about wanting to help
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Hispanic immigrants, who ignored them when people were ransacking their neighborhoods. And the horror
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that they went through, and the family members that they, and the businesses that they had worked
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everything for, given everything for, that were destroyed. And I think that there is a backlash
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growing to this. And let's be clear, the virus is a predominantly white thing. It claims to care
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about, you know, black people. It claims to care about, it's mostly a white thing. It descends from
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European cultural groups. It is a form, a new form, you could call it neo-European imperialism.
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Its goal is to target and erase the cultures of, not just because it's gotten bad at erasing the
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cultural background of the people who live near it. You know, they've begun to develop immunity.
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So now, as soon as somebody's infected with it, it tells them, oh, we want you to be as happy as
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possible all the time. Like, do not challenge yourself. Just do whatever that you want to do
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in the moment. And that will make you happier in the long term, right? And don't allow anyone else
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to challenge you for doing those things. But in doing that, it makes people not have kids.
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I think another really good example of this virus clearly not supporting the causes that it
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purports to support, and specifically growing by playing the intersectionality game, that is to say
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by trying to champion whoever is seen optics-wise as being a victim, is showing up in the recent Israel-Gaza-Palestine
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conflict in that there's a lot of super pro-LGBT groups that are 100% siding with Hamas. Not like
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Palestinians, but Hamas, which is super not in favor of LGBT rights, which really just goes to show
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how far and how blatant this has become. Like, when an organization is that rotten, when it will
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actively support an ally itself with, only because it appears to be the underdog in mainstream media,
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No, it's not because it appears to be the underdog. Actually, I think you're wrong about this.
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The virus is incredibly anti-Semitic. It is intentionally doing this because the people
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they're killing are Jews. And I think that this is something you miss. Why is the virus anti-Semitic?
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So the reason why the virus is anti-Semitic is because-
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Isn't it because Jews succeed? I mean, it does play, it grows through intersectionality.
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Its narrative is all inequality in the world comes from oppression.
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And therefore, oppressed groups don't succeed because of inequality.
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If there's a group that's disproportionately succeeding, it is definitionally oppressive.
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Worse, if it is disproportionately succeeding and it says it used to be an oppressed group or is still
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an oppressed group, if it says that it had this holocaust against it, well, that must be a lie
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because the group cannot both be oppressed and succeeding. That goes against the narrative.
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So for the virus to survive, the Jews must go. And I think many reformed Jews are just now waking up
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to how virulently anti-Semitic the virus is, but they've already gotten too deep. There's nothing
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they can do. You know, I've seen videos of like Jewish people, like stomping on the Israeli flag
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while holding Hamas flags and stuff like that. Like it is wild, but it shows you, you know,
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these are not people who are having kids. And that's the thing about the virus. It doesn't have
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kids. It can only survive by taking the kids of other people. It'll have one or two, but like,
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you're not going to get anywhere near above repopulation rate. And this causes problems as groups
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develop resistance to this. And it causes bigger problems when they say, okay, well now we need
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to get immigrants into the country because they don't have a resistance to us. And we'll just
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take their children and we'll march them through the streets. And well, then these immigrant groups,
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they begin to get wise to this as well. And they're like, Hey, I don't want you to take our kids.
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And then people like us, traditional conservatives, we go to the immigrant groups and we're like, Oh,
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we have a lot in common with you. You don't want our children. We don't want your
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children. We are both terrified of the same thing. Let us work together. And I think that
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this is the real turning that we are having as a society now, which is increasingly, and you can
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look at the statistics on this. You can look at Hispanic groups in the U S and look at Muslims
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like Andrew Tate, obviously conservative influencer, also a Muslim. You look at people like Oliver
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Anthony, the guy who wrote Richmond, North of Richmond, America's greatest strengths is our
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university. Increasingly immigrant communities are beginning to realize and minority communities
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are beginning to realize that yes, the virus will say it cares about them. We'll say it protects them.
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But from, but when push comes to shove, only people who actually durably will create real just
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deals with them is the conservative movement. And we will help them protect what really matters,
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which is their culture and their children. And I think that her things begin to shift when the,
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we say that this cultural genocide must stop. Yeah. Well, I think what's interesting is that,
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you know, you and I, at least as millennials came of age in a world in which conservatism really
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wasn't the, the movement that protected diversity, the movement that was like, let you be you.
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It was like an LGBT theocratic thing. And now, now the interesting thing is it still has those
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groups within it, but suddenly conservatism has become rather like a collection of city
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states that are all trying to resist this one colonizing entity. And so it is, it is a very
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different thing now than it used to be. And I think, you know, a lot of people who consider
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themselves to still be progressive, who just yet, they've yet to be burned by the movement that
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Yeah. We were talking with someone recently and I was like, you know, you should be, you're like,
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how is, how does he still self-identify as a progressive? Yeah. And, and what we realized
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is he was in this position where he didn't need to interact with infected organizations a lot,
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but, and this is the story that happens to everyone. And we were somewhat alluding to this
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at the beginning. They think they can play by the virus's rule. They think they can play both
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sides because they think it's just a more extreme version of the Democrats that they knew in the nineties.
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It is a completely different thing. It is wearing their corpse. It is not them.
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The moment you say something that is heretical, you will be tied to the stake and you will be burned
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and you will say, Oh, this is what everyone warned me against. You move ahead of this and you have some
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protection against it. Look at us. We have said the wildest stuff. We have had newspapers write
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angry things about us, but we have yet to be canceled because there is strengths in numbers
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and there is strength. The people who it really targets are the people who it sees as infiltrating
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it. And by that, what I mean, the people who try to identify as moderates or progressives,
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but who are saying things that could heed the spread of the virus.
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Now, fortunately, eventually the virus self extinguishes because it's so sterilizing because
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other groups develop resistance to it. But the question is, is how much damage does it do in
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the meantime? How many lives does it destroy in the meantime? If I look at the people who are
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infected, they are despondent. They believe there's no hope in the future. Hope has been stolen from
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them. Vitality has been stolen from them. Dynamism has been stolen from them. It's like
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there's nothing behind their eyes anymore. It's so sad, but what can we do? We're trying the best we
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can to save as many people as possible and as diverse a group as people as possible.
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Well, so what we say in the Pragmatist Guide to Crafting Religion, what I think we earnestly
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believe is going to have to happen. And I see this being discussed on everything from
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the All In podcast to like Barry Weiss's publication and her philosophy in general
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is, you know, to make it through this, you are not going to be able to stop the virus. The virus,
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this cult that is growing is a lot like climate change and demographic collapse. It is happening.
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The momentum is there. It's unstoppable. All we can do is plan around it and try to reduce
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the damage that is done by it while it plays out its course. So really the solution is to
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build alternate channels, to build alternate communities. And we would say that there are
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many, many groups that are doing this quite successfully. People who are building alternate
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community structures, alternate, even like informal governing systems. Sometimes they're DAOs,
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sometimes they're just literal, you know, communities and co-ops. Alternate media empires,
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of course, are slowly growing, although it's, it's difficult to get the critical mass to get
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something really big. So, you know, think about where you can build your own alternate
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networks and communities and businesses and everything else. If this is something that you're
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concerned about. Yeah. Well, anyway, I love you. Okay. Bye. I love you. Bye.