Based Camp - November 22, 2024


The Wachowski Effect： Why Creative Talent Declines After Transition (Matrix & Dragon Age Analysis)


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

172.11794

Word Count

8,432

Sentence Count

625

Misogynist Sentences

44

Hate Speech Sentences

64


Summary

In this episode, Caitie and Simone discuss the Wachowski Effect, a phenomenon that occurs when a creator or writer begins to hate their work after transitioning into a woman. They discuss two prominent examples of this: The Matrix and Dragon Age: Age of Sigmar, and The Veil Guard.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I am excited today to be talking to you about a phenomenon that I call the Wachowski effect, because it is something I have noticed in media.
00:00:12.340 And we will be using two prominent examples of this. One is the Matrix series, and the other is the Dragon Age series.
00:00:22.340 And Veil Guard specifically is a particularly prominent example of this, in which a previously really talented creative or writer becomes really, really terrible after undergoing a gender transition into a woman.
00:00:40.500 And when I say they become really, really terrible, I don't mean conservatives start hating their work.
00:00:46.360 I mean, like, everyone starts hating their work. And I want to explore both the timelines of this, so people can see, like, okay, so for example, with Veil Guard, oh my god, I was just watching some scenes from it, and it is so painful.
00:01:02.360 But we will go through them. You don't even know. Like, it's not bad. It actively hurts to consume, where, like, I'm not even going to play the clips, because if I play full clips of these scenes in this episode, people will stop watching this show, just because of the pain it's delivering to you, the viewer.
00:01:23.960 Oh, um...
00:01:53.960 Yeah, like, even, like, even an ally would find this painful and not something they want to watch.
00:02:06.220 Yes.
00:02:06.860 That's how bad it is.
00:02:07.820 Understand the effects of this, because we've seen a lot of woke games fail this year. This isn't quite as bad as something like, oh, what was the last one that we talked about?
00:02:17.740 Concord.
00:02:18.140 But, like, just a horrible failure that we talked about. But it was bad, and people knew it was going to be woke, and this was a successful franchise before. So we've got different estimates of sales for this.
00:02:30.120 Since recording this, we've gotten more accurate numbers in. It looks like it's pulled in about $63 million in earnings, or about one-fifth of what it needs to break even.
00:02:37.380 It's current player count for peak daily is around 36,000 players. So only, like, three acts.
00:02:49.440 Honestly, based on the footage you shared with me, even just the character design, which honestly super yucks my yum, but just the... It's impressive that people can work through that.
00:03:01.480 So, I'm non-binary. What does that mean?
00:03:04.460 I have big fingers.
00:03:10.840 That means I don't feel like a man or a woman.
00:03:14.300 If you are neither a man nor a woman, then what are you?
00:03:18.800 Non-binary. I just said, and I'm going to use they instead of she from now on.
00:03:23.660 Just a note here, because this is a mistake I made throughout the recording, I assumed that this individual, from the way that they looked, was a non-passing trans woman, but they are actually a non-passing, non-binary individual that looks and codes male, but was born a woman.
00:03:41.180 I suspect the reason for this is that the writers of this are non-passing trans women, and they identify more with a biological woman who is non-passing, non-binary.
00:03:54.100 So they are basically attempting to write themselves into the story as if they had been born a woman.
00:03:58.920 Like, they're really trying.
00:04:02.800 This feels like... There was that year when I just had norovirus, like, three times in a row, and I was just constantly... I had food poisoning, but I'm the kind of person who just eats through food poisoning, because I don't not eat.
00:04:14.340 And just, like, that feeling of, like, you're incredibly sick, you are constantly vomiting, but you keep eating the food.
00:04:21.300 That is what I imagine playing this game is like.
00:04:24.100 Like, you are...
00:04:25.180 No, it is eating vomit's level appetizing.
00:04:31.040 Actually, it is worse than Concord, or even Dustborn, when I was watching it, because I watched, like, video playthroughs of Dustborn, and I found it cringe in, like, a funny way occasionally.
00:04:41.840 And, like, the main character was super hateable, and manipulated all her friends and everything.
00:04:47.000 And that's another thing about the characters in this, is the characters that are supposed to be woke representations are genuinely awful, awful, awful.
00:04:56.480 Yeah.
00:04:57.420 What you shared with me is, like, what is this?
00:05:00.160 I will play, like, a bit of a scene here, so you can understand how disconnected these people are from reality.
00:05:04.980 Where the character that's supposed to be trans representation, her mother tries really hard to be accepting of her, and she's just a complete bitch about it.
00:05:16.320 Yeah.
00:05:16.640 Under the cune, the term for one whose gender does not match the one given to them at birth was a cune of luck.
00:05:23.580 Perhaps you are like that.
00:05:24.840 Why do you have to keep picking at it?
00:05:26.480 Why can't you just be happy for me?
00:05:27.960 Evatosh.
00:05:28.640 Chakra to ebra.
00:05:29.520 So I'm supposed to struggle with who I am?
00:05:32.180 Even if I don't feel like I fit?
00:05:33.540 Even if I feel wrong?
00:05:34.700 No.
00:05:35.440 You misunderstood.
00:05:36.480 Then say it better!
00:05:39.700 Am I never enough for you?
00:05:41.000 And then, after her mother dies, she takes her mother's horn, so, like, part of her bones, and wears it as, like, a thing, even though she knows her mother would disapprove of this.
00:05:54.180 And this is one of the things that her mother really hated was her adopting these practices that were of a people in a culture she did not identify with.
00:06:03.180 Your mother's horn. You wear it as jewelry, like the Ravani do.
00:06:07.940 Yeah. Ravani wear their stories.
00:06:11.280 She would like it.
00:06:12.580 Ha! She'd be so pissed.
00:06:15.120 She would.
00:06:16.920 Well, and didn't, one of the clips that you'd sent to me, perhaps my memory deceives me, but the player selected the option of just don't say anything, and yet the character then came on to someone else in a really aggressive, creepy way.
00:06:33.360 Oh, no, yeah.
00:06:34.100 So, if you're, like, a female character, this is actually, like, to me, it shows how blind, so, I think for a lot of lesbian women, the absolute horror is some non-passing 6'5 woman pressing them against the wall and putting them in a situation where they feel super threatened.
00:06:54.140 And this woman doesn't realize that this person is not recognizing them as a woman at all, that they look like a giant man to them.
00:07:33.060 No, but specifically in the gameplay, if memory serves, the players, like, recording this demo selected the option of say nothing, like, basically don't escalate this further.
00:07:49.980 Yeah.
00:07:50.540 And then the character, nevertheless, like, despite the player's non-consent, escalates the situation further, and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:07:57.900 Oh, no, everything about this is written by somebody who seems to have no idea how flirting works.
00:08:03.440 So, there's another scene where they're like, oh, you gave me this gift, and they're like, yeah, I, like, really like you for, like, your talents and your other talents, and you smell really good.
00:08:15.580 You smell really good.
00:08:16.060 I love the way you smell that we had a request for the defense to the Joe Biden hair sniff.
00:08:25.340 So, if you have some creepy dude, doesn't have to be Joe Biden, all right?
00:08:31.260 If you have some creepy dude who comes up behind you, and it's like, you know, making you feel really awkward, touching you in a way you don't really think is cool, and kind of snipping your hair, it's kind of weird, right?
00:08:40.280 A little weird.
00:08:40.880 It's a little weird, okay?
00:08:41.940 Okay, so, what we're going to do is, well, one thing you could do is you could just, boom, headbutt them, right?
00:08:48.580 This scene I'm talking about where the player attempts to say, don't say anything more, and then it selects that option, and she says more, and it's like, ooh.
00:08:56.900 I got you a thing.
00:08:58.860 Oh, Tosh, it's gorgeous.
00:09:02.300 Oh, the stitching.
00:09:04.520 Yeah, because I appreciate your skills.
00:09:08.380 That archery.
00:09:10.760 Thank you, Tosh.
00:09:11.940 That's really sweet.
00:09:20.660 You're really nice, and, um, you smell good.
00:09:26.200 Oh, thank you?
00:09:29.840 Really good.
00:09:30.780 Hey, Tosh, do you want to come with me to break this in?
00:09:35.640 Yeah, like, now?
00:09:39.340 Of course now.
00:09:41.540 Oh, good.
00:09:42.980 Let's go.
00:09:43.620 Oh, and then, and then, keep in mind, we say she, this is a non-passing trans person.
00:09:48.480 So it looks like a giant, like, seven-
00:09:51.820 I don't know.
00:09:52.360 I, I, I, I, I, if I were asked as someone, I would, I would just say that it was a very
00:09:58.520 ugly woman, like an extremely ugly female, but I just think that their entire kind is
00:10:02.880 extremely ugly.
00:10:03.740 So, but like, I don't know.
00:10:04.840 But anyway, no, no, no, no.
00:10:06.240 So what I love in that scene is she's then rewarded with the other person who she's flirting
00:10:10.760 with being like, yeah, let's have sex right now.
00:10:13.560 Yeah.
00:10:14.300 What?
00:10:15.260 This is not, and, and, and here people can be like, oh, this is just a bad writer.
00:10:20.160 And this is where the Wachowski effect becomes really important because what other games
00:10:25.600 did this person wrote?
00:10:27.420 Was it, was a writer on?
00:10:29.160 They were a writer on Mass Effect.
00:10:30.860 They're a writer on Dragon Age Origins.
00:10:32.560 They're a writer on Mass Effect 2.
00:10:33.900 I think one of the best written games I've ever played.
00:10:35.940 Wow.
00:10:36.400 Mass Effect 2, Layer of the Shadow Broker.
00:10:38.300 They're a writer.
00:10:38.860 They're the senior writer on Mass Effect 3.
00:10:41.180 Okay.
00:10:41.520 So we have every expectation that they should be amazing.
00:10:44.160 Okay.
00:10:44.580 Mass Effect 3 from the Ashes.
00:10:45.940 They were a writer.
00:10:46.440 Mass Effect 3 Leviathan.
00:10:47.440 They were a writer.
00:10:48.000 Mass Effect 3 Citadel.
00:10:48.980 They were a writer.
00:10:49.840 Dragon Age Inquisition.
00:10:50.900 They were a writer.
00:10:51.660 Dragon Age Inquisition.
00:10:52.820 Jaws of Haken.
00:10:53.840 They were a writer.
00:10:54.580 Dragon Age Inquisition.
00:10:56.040 Trespasser.
00:10:56.540 They were the lead writer.
00:10:58.180 And then they were the lead writer on Veil Guard.
00:11:01.040 And somebody can be like, well, do you know when they transitioned?
00:11:04.360 And we do know when they transitioned because we can find pictures of them.
00:11:07.520 And I'll put one on screen here.
00:11:08.660 But specifically this individual, hold on, transition.
00:11:12.860 They transitioned in 2020.
00:11:14.140 So after their last other writing and before Veil Guard, if you're looking for when the
00:11:19.300 Wachowski brothers, so for people who don't know, the people who wrote the original Matrix.
00:11:24.040 Malcolm, Wachowski sisters.
00:11:25.320 Jesus.
00:11:26.000 Sorry.
00:11:26.260 The Wachowski sisters.
00:11:27.260 They were originally called the Wachowski brothers when they wrote the first Matrix.
00:11:30.640 And that's what I know they're mad at.
00:11:31.680 But the Wachowski sisters now wrote.
00:11:33.580 Sorry.
00:11:33.880 If it was Dragon Age, I'd have to do push-ups.
00:11:37.400 So whenever you upset this particular very physically imposing character, they force you
00:11:43.280 to do push-ups basically.
00:11:45.100 And at first, the person accepts it like sort of willingly where one person is like, oh,
00:11:50.980 I accidentally misgendered you, so I'll do push-ups.
00:11:53.180 And they have a total two-minute cut scene on very, very uncomfortable cut scene on accidentally
00:11:58.340 misgendering somebody.
00:11:59.260 And then-
00:12:00.520 I don't know.
00:12:00.840 I kind of like this.
00:12:01.640 You get buff and they get lame.
00:12:05.360 Whatever.
00:12:06.520 Well, no, because they are physically and intimidating you into a physical act of submission.
00:12:13.460 That is the-
00:12:14.440 You are prostrate on the floor.
00:12:16.020 Oh, that's interesting.
00:12:16.980 Yeah.
00:12:17.700 This is what a trans woman who wrote this thought was an appropriate thing to force women
00:12:23.800 into a submissive position to them and prostrate themselves to them as a-
00:12:29.020 Like, this is very, like, a sexual play thing.
00:12:31.200 It's really messed up.
00:12:32.560 And then there's another instance where a girl simply accidentally ate all the food and
00:12:36.540 she pressures her into doing this.
00:12:38.460 Who ate the last breaded cheese wand?
00:12:40.720 Oh, no, I'm sorry.
00:12:41.980 I guess I thought, well, I don't know what.
00:12:45.500 It's fine.
00:12:47.040 No, no.
00:12:48.460 They're your favorite.
00:12:49.520 What?
00:12:53.380 Say you're sorry some more.
00:12:55.200 That'll fix it.
00:12:56.460 No, you're right.
00:12:57.820 I'm pulling a barb.
00:13:02.740 One, two, three.
00:13:08.220 And this is, again, a woman who is physically very petite compared to her, who she very clearly
00:13:13.240 physically dominates.
00:13:14.380 But anyway, so if we're talking about, like, the Matrix series getting bad, it actually correlates
00:13:21.580 with the transitions as well.
00:13:23.080 So if you look at Lana Wachowski, formerly Larry, she began her transition in 2000 to
00:13:29.660 2003 with the beginning of the Matrix sequels.
00:13:33.060 So if you look at the first thing of Matrix sequels, they got worse, but they weren't like dog
00:13:38.340 duty quality like the sisters later work.
00:13:40.900 If you then look at when the second one transitioned, it was before Cloud Atlas and then the next
00:13:47.300 Matrix trilogy, which I think everyone basically agrees that everything from that point on that
00:13:51.940 they did was just an absolute failure and nobody watched.
00:13:54.160 Like, this isn't me saying, like, it's bad.
00:13:56.280 Nobody watched any of this stuff.
00:13:58.000 Like, it objectively bombed at a critical level.
00:14:01.580 Yeah, I, so this is what I find very perplexing about this, because I think Wachowski syndrome or
00:14:09.760 the Wachowski effect is very real.
00:14:12.200 But what also confuses me is that, one, there are plenty of female writers in history who have
00:14:20.420 done great work that a lot of people of all genders have appreciated.
00:14:24.340 So it's not just that being female makes you terrible, although one could argue that women are
00:14:29.600 better at certain types of writing.
00:14:31.800 And then two, when, when there have been studies that look at differences in female performance
00:14:37.760 based on where they are in their cycle, women who are experiencing surges of estrogen have
00:14:44.840 a boost in intelligence per, per my memory.
00:14:48.360 I can try to dig up the, the, the research so you can put it in the, the links, but my understanding
00:14:54.060 is that more estrogen also correlates with more intelligence in like across women's cycles.
00:15:02.360 So within subjects.
00:15:03.880 So that, so I'm like, well, then why, why should a man who's getting more doses of estrogen,
00:15:09.640 like, is it also like the, the additional drop in testosterone?
00:15:14.380 So, so for example, and I'm saying this just as a, like personally, but we recently had my
00:15:20.120 blood work done like a really detailed blood panel and my testosterone is super low, like
00:15:24.900 even for a woman.
00:15:26.600 And we asked our doctor for some analysis on this.
00:15:30.480 And he pointed out that if you're taking exogenous estrogen, which I am, I take similar doses that
00:15:35.900 a trans woman would take because I'm screwed up for other reasons.
00:15:41.080 You, you may also see a drop in your other endogenously produced hormones, including testosterone,
00:15:47.700 because your body's like, oh, we're doing this externally now.
00:15:50.280 Sweet.
00:15:50.620 I'm going to take a vacation.
00:15:51.660 See you later.
00:15:52.620 And so maybe what's happening is that, okay, while they are getting a boost in estrogen,
00:15:58.000 they're also not just seeing like an easing up of testosterone, but like that plummeting.
00:16:03.120 And that can just screw up their brain in totally different ways in a way that like a normal woman
00:16:07.420 who's having normal endogenous estrogen isn't seeing like a woman who's getting her own natural
00:16:13.200 estrogen production probably also isn't going to have unusually low testosterone.
00:16:18.820 So I wonder if there's been any research on trans women on hormones.
00:16:24.480 You've been validated this theory already.
00:16:26.400 I have.
00:16:27.180 Okay.
00:16:27.360 So what you said that you may not have noticed, you said is you have an unusually low level
00:16:32.760 of testosterone, and yet you are peak performance in terms of I've interacted with a lot of women.
00:16:37.720 I've interacted with few women as smart and creative as you.
00:16:39.520 Well, no, no, no, but what we're talking about men, what I'm trying to say is what may be happening.
00:16:44.740 The point I'm making is that in addition to being on exogenous estrogen, their levels of
00:16:51.040 their former levels of testosterone may have plummeted in a way that damages them.
00:16:55.700 And my point also is that typically men who transition to women when they're in the creative
00:17:02.160 profession, they're still creating the same kind of content.
00:17:05.060 Then once they transition to women, they like switch to writing romance novels.
00:17:09.280 And like soft stuff, like they're staying in action films and video games and things
00:17:12.900 like that.
00:17:13.380 And men are just better at writing that just like men are funnier, like men are better
00:17:16.640 in comedy, I would argue.
00:17:18.140 Like maybe the problem is that with a lot of these creative people, they're not realizing
00:17:22.480 that what they used to be good at is going to be different now that they're on a different
00:17:25.920 hormonal profile.
00:17:26.920 And I think that this is the right answer.
00:17:29.400 So, and I think, well, it's not, it's, it's part of the right answer.
00:17:32.600 I think there is a few right answers to this.
00:17:34.340 So if we're going to be uniquely charitable to trans people, I think the actual answer
00:17:38.980 that we're looking at here is if you look at like Mass Effect 2, remember I said Mass
00:17:42.120 Effect 2, I loved Mass Effect 2, who this person worked on writing.
00:17:44.920 Yeah.
00:17:45.300 What makes Mass Effect 2 so good is it has very good lore.
00:17:51.240 It has very good background lore, who the species are, how they interact, the background
00:17:57.460 of the universe, what happened when humans first met them, what are their like biology,
00:18:01.600 everything like that.
00:18:02.680 This is the type of stuff that a male brain specializes at writing.
00:18:07.660 This isn't interpersonal interactions.
00:18:09.980 This isn't any of that stuff, right?
00:18:11.400 Like this isn't, when I think like, what do females specialize at writing?
00:18:14.880 I'm thinking like slash fan fiction type stuff and then expand it.
00:18:19.500 You know, your, your 50 shades of gray type stuff, your interview with a vampire type stuff.
00:18:24.020 They are not universes that are great because of their lore.
00:18:27.480 They are universes that are great because of their emotional pulls and characters.
00:18:31.600 I don't know.
00:18:31.820 I mean, I think of JK Rowling and Harry Potter, which is one of the most popular fan universes
00:18:35.600 that exists right now.
00:18:36.000 That is a good lore universe.
00:18:37.260 I'll agree.
00:18:38.320 And then I'm, you know, I also think like, I struggle with this because I've been thinking
00:18:41.680 about this as we've talked about it.
00:18:43.520 Think about people like Ayn Rand, whose work comes across as pretty masculine to me.
00:18:47.860 But then I also think about Ayn Rand's lifestyle.
00:18:50.740 And I feel like she was probably a very high testosterone woman when you, when you look at how she
00:18:55.380 lived her life.
00:18:56.460 Like, wasn't she polyamorous too?
00:18:57.860 That's a point, Simone.
00:18:58.960 That these individuals rose to fame and prominence and honed their skill to optimize their brain
00:19:06.860 as it existed before transition.
00:19:08.920 No, exactly.
00:19:09.500 And then transitioning, they don't realize that like, they don't have the hormonal profile
00:19:13.580 for that anymore.
00:19:14.040 It's not just that they don't have the hormonal profile.
00:19:17.060 They spent their entire adolescence, university career and everything like that honing one instrument.
00:19:22.860 And then somebody took that instrument away and gave them another instrument.
00:19:27.180 They think that basically they spent their entire life learning to become a guitar expert.
00:19:32.320 And then somebody gave them like a mandolin and they're trying to play it like they're playing
00:19:37.880 a guitar and they, and they need to learn a completely new instrument.
00:19:41.800 And the reality is, is that an individual who undergoes a gender transition may never be as
00:19:48.260 good at creative tasks as somebody born into that gender, because they just didn't undergo
00:19:53.620 adolescence as that gender.
00:19:55.220 They didn't learn how to use that instrument the way somebody of that gender would have
00:20:00.340 over their entire lives, learn to use that instrument.
00:20:03.600 And this is even taking a transgender person's perspective on this saying, yes, when you gender
00:20:08.620 transition, your brain actually transitions to be more like the brain of a female.
00:20:13.220 Now that being the case, that means you're not going to know how to use it.
00:20:17.320 Like you're just not going to have the expertise.
00:20:19.780 And so when I look at the mistakes, I see both in the matrix later matrix series and veil guard,
00:20:28.000 they are mistakes in the things that women are typically really good at, which is interpersonal
00:20:34.360 relationship stuff.
00:20:36.140 They are interpersonal relationship scenes that are done terrifically poorly.
00:20:41.420 Like, like almost inhumanly poorly, like you wouldn't expect even a child to think it
00:20:47.460 was a good idea to release this.
00:20:49.640 Right.
00:20:50.920 So that could be an explanation.
00:20:52.620 What do you think of that theory?
00:20:54.600 I don't see how you're making the connection because you're arguing that you, you've gone
00:20:58.980 from as a trans woman, a very masculine mindset to now a feminized mindset.
00:21:04.040 And yet you're still trying to write masculine scenes.
00:21:06.580 Now you're trying to write feminine scenes and theoretically they'd be better at that because now they're
00:21:11.300 in all this estrogen.
00:21:11.960 That's not what I'm saying.
00:21:12.960 That's considered the analogy I just used.
00:21:14.880 It's like you have a new instrument.
00:21:16.860 Okay.
00:21:17.120 They learned how to use a masculine brain to do what a masculine brain was good at doing.
00:21:23.520 Yes.
00:21:23.700 They now have a feminine brain.
00:21:26.020 They need to completely learn writing from scratch.
00:21:30.560 Yeah.
00:21:30.720 It's like they are now, it's, it's not like they, they.
00:21:34.240 I don't understand where the instrument, like play out the instrument analogy.
00:21:37.560 Like they learned how to play violin.
00:21:39.660 Now they're given a piano and they suck at playing piano.
00:21:41.860 Is that all you're saying?
00:21:43.640 They spent 30 years of their life learning to play violin.
00:21:47.640 Okay.
00:21:48.980 Now they are a piano player.
00:21:51.280 A piano was put in front of them and they have to learn to play that piano as well as
00:21:57.140 a world expert who has been training on the piano for 30 years.
00:22:00.580 You're just saying that like they lack the practice and that's why they suck.
00:22:03.540 It's not that they lack the practice is that they built expertise to become a world-class
00:22:09.460 player was a completely different instrument and then had the arrogance to assume that
00:22:15.600 when they switched out that instrument, they would still be in a world-class league and
00:22:20.440 they just aren't.
00:22:21.780 In fact, they're not just at not a world-class league.
00:22:25.260 They're at a league that a five-year-old girl would be at because they've had a girl brain
00:22:30.680 for five years and a five-year-old girl has had a girl brain for five years.
00:22:34.740 So this reminds me a little bit of that similar phenomenon where you will have a Nobel prize
00:22:42.100 winner in physics or something decide that they're going to enter nutrition influencing
00:22:46.800 and then they just like give the worst advice in the entire world and people believe them
00:22:52.060 because they won a Nobel prize and you're saying like, yeah, you know, the Wachowski sister
00:22:56.280 is like amazing films and then people are like, well, but now they're women.
00:22:59.900 I mean, it's not exactly the same situation, but yeah, essentially it's this, you assume
00:23:04.260 that you're going to be able to do well in this new life because you've hit it out
00:23:08.860 of the park so far and how you can't do wrong.
00:23:11.660 And I guess you are looking at in these cases that we're looking at with this video game
00:23:15.020 and with Wachowski films, people who may have gotten into their heads that, and been
00:23:21.240 surrounded by people who believe they can do no wrong because they've really done great
00:23:26.100 work and maybe that's also an issue and maybe you don't see this at the level of everyday
00:23:32.340 people who are transitioning because they, they haven't been told that they walk on water
00:23:36.460 and they aren't just assuming that everything they touch turns to gold.
00:23:39.860 So maybe they're not so well, I don't know.
00:23:42.800 So I've actually seen this with, and it's, it's, it's a really distinct thing you see
00:23:47.320 because I have a lot of, you know, trans friends who have transitioned and people would be like,
00:23:51.880 oh my God, you know, you say critical things about like gender transition and trans people
00:23:55.200 in sports.
00:23:55.660 You can't possibly have trans friends.
00:23:57.000 And it's like, not all trans people are that brainwashed.
00:23:59.180 There's like some real trans people out there who are normal, non-creepy people.
00:24:03.640 And I think that when I look at the posts and when I look at the content that they make,
00:24:08.280 one common complaint they have is everyone around them, especially if they're coders begins
00:24:12.960 to act as if they don't know what they're talking about anymore.
00:24:16.000 And their understanding of this is they all think, and all the trans women I know, when
00:24:22.540 I talk to them, they're like, oh, all, everyone thinks I don't know how to code anymore.
00:24:26.120 They think that this is a sign of discrimination against women when it really might be that they're
00:24:31.780 just becoming shittier coders.
00:24:33.140 And they are, and I think that similar with Veilguard, something about this happening
00:24:39.360 makes these individuals unable to see that criticism may be justified.
00:24:45.880 So when you look at Veilguard and you look at these interpersonal interactions, you're
00:24:49.840 like, oh my God, these are painful.
00:24:51.740 You've got no problem fighting other Qunari.
00:24:54.440 I'm from Ravain.
00:24:56.160 Not like I follow the Qun.
00:24:57.800 You've got the arm ropes.
00:24:59.540 Sure.
00:25:00.380 I wear a lot of stuff.
00:25:01.480 You don't get to tell me who I am.
00:25:03.620 Still a stupid name.
00:25:05.680 Dragon King.
00:25:07.100 Dragons wouldn't have kings.
00:25:08.700 They'd have queens.
00:25:09.720 Well, if these individuals think that this is normal interaction, if they think that this
00:25:13.500 is normal hitting on someone, if they think that this is normal flirting, if they were
00:25:17.640 a coder, would they not, in the same way, not realize in intersocial interactions that
00:25:23.780 they may not be in the right?
00:25:25.380 And I think that this is a separate problem that happens with the trans community, is they
00:25:30.440 end up in their social environments.
00:25:32.960 We're being validated and not being told that they have overstepped social boundaries.
00:25:38.160 It becomes really normal because they can-
00:25:40.580 Okay.
00:25:40.980 Yeah.
00:25:41.300 So basically, leftist culture has done the same thing to even normal, mediocre people
00:25:48.900 in their everyday careers.
00:25:51.520 What fame and fortune has done to the Wachowski sisters, where they're like, you can do no
00:25:56.660 wrong.
00:25:57.240 You're amazing.
00:25:58.120 So brave.
00:25:59.120 And then they just also still assume that they're fine.
00:26:02.100 Well, yeah.
00:26:02.960 They're being-
00:26:03.420 No, no, no.
00:26:04.360 Leftist culture is about validating people when they use specific arguments.
00:26:09.140 Not all the time.
00:26:10.160 They'll jump-
00:26:10.540 Yeah, but to the point of gaslighting.
00:26:12.000 Gaslighting people about their competence and success as long as they're leaning into the
00:26:16.700 approved progressive culture.
00:26:18.900 Yeah.
00:26:19.120 And it can cause them, I think, to not realize when their skills are slipping when contrasted
00:26:24.680 with their coworkers.
00:26:25.760 And the arguments that I hear from them is, I've been in this industry for X many years,
00:26:31.220 therefore I know better than these other people.
00:26:33.580 But that's a very feminine argument.
00:26:35.560 Like, men don't argue like that.
00:26:37.540 They don't say, I've been in this industry for longer than you have, therefore I know better.
00:26:42.000 It's, I did X thing recently, therefore I know better.
00:26:46.280 Like, here, look, this is where you're practically wrong on this.
00:26:50.220 And I think that there's a secondary phenomenon here, which I actually think is what causes
00:26:55.280 more of the Wachowski effect.
00:26:56.940 So, so far, I've been very generous.
00:27:00.020 Okay.
00:27:00.880 Uh-oh.
00:27:01.180 However, as I have said, while I do believe that some individuals are, like, if I believe
00:27:08.620 that the human body is gender dimorphic, which it is, and the human brain is gender dimorphic,
00:27:13.540 which it is, are there rare instances where somebody is born with a brain that is gender
00:27:18.600 dimorphic in a different way?
00:27:19.820 I mean, yeah, it must happen in some rare set of circumstances.
00:27:22.800 No, no, no, but like, I think that's also actually shown in some studies where people
00:27:28.100 who identified, at least before this whole trans thing was big, as gay, tended to show
00:27:33.420 certain thought patterns and fMRIs or something like that.
00:27:36.900 Yeah, but you didn't see this as trans individuals.
00:27:38.820 Yeah, but they were more similar to, but yeah, but these days now, especially with natal women,
00:27:46.140 they're like, oh, you're into women?
00:27:47.960 You must be trans.
00:27:49.180 So, like, I don't know.
00:27:50.300 So, now, what we have is a phenomenon where, and I think anyone who's being honest knows
00:27:55.460 this, you can look at it, has trans identity been used by a cult to grow?
00:27:58.920 There is a self-replicating memetic virus that has used the protections that trans identity
00:28:05.220 offers, and when I say the protections that it offers, it's that there is at least certain
00:28:10.100 communities you can go to, and once you've been infected with the virus, it directs you
00:28:14.700 to coat yourself in these communities that will prevent the virus from ever being questioned
00:28:19.080 or threatened that only cares about self-replication.
00:28:22.900 It doesn't care about making individuals' lives better.
00:28:25.100 It doesn't care about efficacy.
00:28:26.620 It is like a memetic cordyceps virus that infects an individual's brain and people don't know
00:28:32.240 the cordyceps virus.
00:28:33.200 Spores from a parasitic fungus called cordyceps have infiltrated their bodies and their minds.
00:28:39.880 Its infected brain directs this ant upwards.
00:28:44.400 Those afflicted that are discovered by the workers are quickly taken away and dumped far
00:28:49.640 away from the colony.
00:28:50.820 It seems extreme, but this is the reason why.
00:28:54.120 Like something out of science fiction, the fruiting body of the cordyceps erupts from the ant's
00:29:01.140 head.
00:29:01.520 And when finished, the deadly spores will burst from its tip.
00:29:06.140 The fungus is so virulent, it can wipe out whole colonies of animals.
00:29:09.840 And it's not just ants that fall victim to this killer hound.
00:29:14.500 The more numerous a species becomes, the more likely it will be attacked.
00:29:18.520 A lot of people who are trans these days, I think, are really just infected with a self-replicating
00:29:23.900 memetic virus, which cares nothing about them.
00:29:26.740 In many of them, it leads to, I mean, as we know, the unaliving attempt rate within the
00:29:30.680 trans community is around 50%.
00:29:32.260 Incredibly high.
00:29:34.360 Wait, is it that, is it really that high?
00:29:36.300 It's 50 to 45%, yeah.
00:29:38.820 Gosh, okay.
00:29:40.180 Yeah, it is, it is.
00:29:41.180 People who are like, oh, gender transition solves this.
00:29:43.960 It's like, well, the data is actually not as strong as you would think there.
00:29:47.880 And they're like, well, it at least lowers it.
00:29:50.120 And it's like, well, we know from when the Travestock clinic was being dismantled, they
00:29:53.580 had internal data that they hadn't shared publicly that showed that when somebody goes
00:29:57.460 on puberty blockers, their unaliving rate goes up significantly.
00:30:00.940 That's disturbing because so many parents proceeded with youth gender transition being told that
00:30:06.880 their children would end themselves if they didn't support it.
00:30:10.620 Well, I mean, this is the problem with the virus, right?
00:30:12.660 The virus kills individuals.
00:30:14.700 And we know from the, in no normal psychological field, would you tell somebody, oh, you have
00:30:20.800 X problem.
00:30:21.500 And if you don't do X, then you're going to unalive yourself because of course, that's
00:30:26.040 going to lead to a higher rate of, unaliving oneself is an incredibly sticky thing.
00:30:30.900 It's in fact, such a sticky thing that it used to be like when you would go to journalism
00:30:34.520 school, you had to go to specific classes about never publishing stories when somebody did
00:30:38.360 this, et cetera, because it was so contagious as a concept.
00:30:43.360 And yet it is built in as a concept here.
00:30:45.600 And people are like, oh, well, what about kids who get this?
00:30:47.780 Look at the study, the 2023 study, gender discontentedness and non-conforming use.
00:30:53.980 It shows that of 11 year olds who don't identify with their birth gender, more than nine out of
00:30:59.580 10 of them completely identify was it by the time that you reached 23.
00:31:03.760 And when you're looking at these really high unaliving rates, of course, like you're like,
00:31:06.900 oh yeah, this, this should not be promoted in these age ranges.
00:31:10.140 But what I'm saying here, you know, separately than this, because here we're talking about
00:31:14.200 the Wachowski effect is if it is this sort of cordyceps virus that begins to eat more
00:31:20.280 and more of their thoughts and it becomes the only thing they can focus on.
00:31:23.900 It also explains why they add it in so many places throughout the game.
00:31:29.020 Like if I'm a man, I don't in my games add a bunch of like women being degraded just
00:31:35.400 automatically, or if I'm a woman, I don't add a bunch of like 50 shades of gay, gray stuff
00:31:39.640 to every game.
00:31:40.320 50 shades of gay.
00:31:41.900 Please tell me that this is a gay porn video because it needs to be.
00:31:47.960 I am a, no, no.
00:31:50.020 But if I have like a fetish, right?
00:31:51.480 Like I don't add that to everything.
00:31:53.460 If I'm a gay guy, like a lot of gay guys can write a game without adding like really
00:31:58.440 uncomfortable gay scenes throughout the game.
00:32:01.120 Um, they would be like, oh yeah, if I force like the main character.
00:32:04.880 So there's like a scene where you can like practically be forced to identify as trans
00:32:08.300 accidentally in this game.
00:32:09.300 Here we go.
00:32:10.160 Take a long, hard look at in it, kid.
00:32:12.800 It'll always show the face of a hero who can get it done.
00:32:16.660 Establishes transgender identity.
00:32:19.000 I love who I am.
00:32:20.740 It feels good to see the real me.
00:32:23.080 I mean, every single option makes me transgender.
00:32:25.820 I, I, there's no option not to be transgender.
00:32:29.440 No, there is actually a back button here for anybody who is listening to this on podcast.
00:32:35.000 He is pretending not to notice it for comedic effect, or maybe he doesn't notice it, but
00:32:39.700 every option within this particular sub menu does force you to be trans.
00:32:44.420 So a person might get forced into this if they were playing in a style where they didn't
00:32:48.640 go back on any choices they made.
00:32:50.520 It says, this is makes me trans.
00:32:52.380 This one does.
00:32:53.320 And this one.
00:32:54.020 I don't know why I have to be trans.
00:32:57.000 This is what Donald Trump was talking about.
00:32:59.400 I'm getting there.
00:33:00.480 It feels good to see the real me.
00:33:03.140 It took a while for me to figure out why the face staring back from the mirror felt wrong.
00:33:08.440 But once I was able to be honest with myself, it was a relief to figure out I was trans.
00:33:14.940 And it's worth it to look in the mirror today and see the man I am staring back.
00:33:24.020 Can I, can I do it again?
00:33:32.200 Well.
00:33:38.260 All right.
00:33:39.280 If I force a character to be gay in this game, like the protagonist, people aren't going
00:33:47.060 to like it.
00:33:47.620 And this is a project that people spent 10 years of their life on and a company spent
00:33:52.080 a quarter billion dollars on.
00:33:53.840 I should not be putting this into a game.
00:33:56.180 And if you're gay, like normal gay people are going to be like, yeah, that makes sense.
00:33:59.400 Even like non-normal gay people are like, yeah, that makes sense.
00:34:03.920 Also, I feel the really weird thing about all this too, is that, you know, it's a trope,
00:34:10.040 but I think tropes and stereotypes come from a place of truth because patterns emerge, etc.
00:34:14.980 Right?
00:34:15.340 Not always, but frequently.
00:34:18.200 Gay people are kind of famously good creatively.
00:34:21.300 Like trans people, you just think that like, because if they're all part of the LGBTQ, whatever
00:34:27.260 community that like, like things would get a little better.
00:34:31.560 All civilization was just an effort to impress the opposite sex.
00:34:36.600 And sometimes the same sex.
00:34:39.820 Yeah, I agree with you on that.
00:34:42.760 Well, I think that this is, this is part of it is I think a lot of the people, and I know
00:34:47.700 that this is super offensive, who undergo gender transition are just homophobic gay people.
00:34:52.880 And they undergo gender transition because it's, for them, an easier way to deal.
00:34:58.200 And there's some cultures where this is just obviously true.
00:35:00.440 This is why in a lot of these ultra conservative cultures like Iran and stuff like that,
00:35:03.960 gender transition is how you deal with same-sex attraction.
00:35:06.640 You know, I can totally understand.
00:35:09.840 And I think that anyone who looks honestly, you can be like, are some people who transition?
00:35:15.400 Here, I'm not saying everyone.
00:35:16.220 Here, I'm not saying most.
00:35:16.960 Are some people who gender transition homophobic gay people?
00:35:19.940 Yeah, like, of course, some homophobic gay people.
00:35:21.380 Yeah, you're going to get some.
00:35:22.460 You're going to get some.
00:35:23.600 Yeah.
00:35:24.180 And so would Mr. Garrison, right?
00:35:28.360 Like that's the, he represents that.
00:35:29.740 But yeah.
00:35:30.280 I've forgiven you for walking out on me after I had my sex change.
00:35:33.940 And I'm ready to take you back.
00:35:36.660 There's something you should know.
00:35:39.060 Al and I are getting married.
00:35:41.500 You can't get married.
00:35:43.040 You're faggots.
00:35:44.800 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:35:46.360 Mr. Slave, I am legally a woman now.
00:35:49.240 If you want to get married, you have to marry me.
00:35:51.780 Colorado is about to pass a bill which allows same-sex marriage.
00:35:55.160 We'll just see about this, you fudge-packing fags.
00:35:57.900 I'll stop that gay marriage law.
00:35:59.920 Oh my God.
00:36:00.900 You're just saying that because you're jealous.
00:36:03.520 Jealous of what?
00:36:04.580 I'm doing this out of principle to protect the sanctity of marriage.
00:36:08.960 So for some of these individuals, they might have been drawn to the creative industry originally because they had that gay, super creative ability.
00:36:17.960 But I think that the whole gaze being really good with the creative arts also shows you don't need to insert gender identity and sexuality into everything that you're doing.
00:36:27.660 And for whatever reason, I'm still so curious because this seems to be a consistent trend, what that reason is.
00:36:37.180 Part of me also then turns to the conservative Christian community, at least in the U.S., which is like, birth control is terrible for you.
00:36:44.480 Like, exogenous hormones at all are a really bad idea.
00:36:47.500 And then when you take someone who is transitioning, that's that on steroids.
00:36:51.640 Like, just that level of medical intervention is going to mess with you anyway.
00:36:54.520 Like, someone who's recovering from a major surgery, someone who's coming off a lot of drugs.
00:36:58.200 Like, they also were probably going to be not in the best creative place.
00:37:03.000 Could this also just be an issue of too much medical intervention?
00:37:05.800 People recovering from surgery, people going through.
00:37:08.400 I mean, also.
00:37:09.340 I don't think it is.
00:37:10.280 I think it's an obsession.
00:37:11.820 I think that the way that the virus works is that turns it into a personal obsession for an individual.
00:37:17.540 When an individual is heavily infected with this particular mimetic virus, it becomes a huge chunk of what they think about every day.
00:37:26.800 Now, me, for example, I think about my gender probably 0.00001% in terms of anything I do.
00:37:37.380 It just does not occupy much of my thoughts throughout the day.
00:37:41.100 I get the impression from this sort of content.
00:37:44.740 And people can be like, oh, maybe this content is being villainized because people hate trans content, right?
00:37:51.800 And that's just not true.
00:37:53.420 Baldur's Gate 3 was one of the most celebrated games of the year.
00:37:56.560 And you could have your, you know, female-looking character have a penis or your male-looking character have a vagina.
00:38:02.380 You could do whatever you wanted in this game, right?
00:38:04.060 Well, but also, is this a bad toupee problem?
00:38:06.700 Do we just not?
00:38:07.660 There are lots of really amazing trans writers.
00:38:09.820 Trans writers in Baldur's Gate 3, to my knowledge.
00:38:14.360 Yeah, but do you know, also, like, there are plenty of people who are trans in passing.
00:38:20.740 And, like, you just don't know.
00:38:22.680 Like, it's just a hot woman.
00:38:24.020 I mean, I don't know.
00:38:25.380 No, I think it's actually very specifically not a bad toupee problem.
00:38:28.580 Because what we have are instances of an individual before transition being world-class at something.
00:38:35.780 And then the same individual after transition being worse than a teenage girl.
00:38:41.340 So the question is, is why?
00:38:43.340 And also, like, why is it all so grapey?
00:38:46.620 That's the other thing.
00:38:48.060 Like, is this just a systemic problem for people?
00:38:52.620 And I actually think it is a systemic problem.
00:38:54.780 And I don't even think that this is their fault.
00:38:56.300 But they don't realize and they lack self-reflection around it.
00:39:00.420 Individuals who learned how to hit on someone as a guy.
00:39:03.220 If you try to reapply that to being a lesbian, you are going to come off as aggressive and grapey.
00:39:11.960 Quick, think about us having sex.
00:39:17.500 Whereas a guy, you learned how to do that in, like, a different sexual environment.
00:39:24.340 And so when I see the types of scenes where, like, the scene where the girl's being pinned against a wall and she hasn't really consented to this.
00:39:31.680 This scene is, if it was a cis guy who was doing this, I don't think that that many women would be as terrified.
00:39:40.660 Because they'd be like, oh, well, no, they would be as terrified.
00:39:43.540 But, like, a cis guy would know better.
00:39:44.920 I think the problem is, is that they learned that they need to be aggressive while they were a guy.
00:39:50.180 And then they transitioned.
00:39:52.400 And they, the restrictions on their aggression fell off.
00:39:56.800 Because they began to categorize every woman who resisted their aggression as transphobic.
00:40:02.080 And so they had the aggression and dominance you would expect from somebody who grew up engaging people as a male.
00:40:10.580 But you didn't have the common sense of, if the girl looks scared or intimidated, I need to back off immediately.
00:40:20.020 Yeah.
00:40:20.940 Yeah, I could see that.
00:40:22.740 Instead of that kind of their transphobia.
00:40:24.820 And it could be that all these defense mechanisms that they've built up around this leads to them being, like, just barreling through a lot of guards.
00:40:34.140 How'd you like to wind this one up?
00:40:35.540 I love you some, like, I think with all of this, it's an interesting phenomenon.
00:40:41.900 Because I'm trying to come at this phenomenon without any particular, like, yeah, I'm the type of person who thinks that the trans community oversteps a lot.
00:40:48.520 Whether it is gender transition and youth.
00:40:50.480 Or whether it is trans people in sports.
00:40:52.300 But I also don't think trans people should be uncomfortable jobs, for example.
00:40:57.160 However, I do think that we need to be realistic about how this seems to be a real thing.
00:41:04.520 That people who are world class in a space seem to start sucking after they transition if it's in a creative industry.
00:41:11.640 And we don't want that to happen, too.
00:41:13.280 So, like, even if you care about trans people thriving, you don't want their careers to bomb after they transition.
00:41:19.760 You want them to thrive after they transition.
00:41:21.360 I didn't want the matrixes to start sucking.
00:41:23.900 You know?
00:41:24.580 Like, I didn't.
00:41:25.080 Maybe the matrices.
00:41:26.680 Matrix, whatever.
00:41:27.780 The point being is, like, we don't want this.
00:41:31.320 This is not like a, us, you know, it's a, this is a fascinating phenomenon that I'd love to understand better.
00:41:38.620 But I know that we're not allowed to concede it exists.
00:41:43.340 Yeah, I find this phenomenon fascinating.
00:41:46.020 I want to maybe, maybe even a trans individual could understand it better.
00:41:50.340 When they're like, yeah, I realize after I transitioned, I started to suck at things I was previously really good at.
00:41:54.980 And, like, would that, is that not, in a way, gender-affirming?
00:41:59.200 I mean, women aren't funny.
00:42:00.600 Like, is it not gender-affirming that?
00:42:03.740 I don't know.
00:42:04.520 I mean, I don't know.
00:42:05.200 When I go through pregnancy or other interventions with hormones and stuff, it can screw me up.
00:42:13.920 You know?
00:42:14.260 It can mess with me.
00:42:15.960 And there's even been times when you've been like, Simone, you're really, really mean.
00:42:20.700 And I'm like, no, I'm not.
00:42:22.420 And I can't see it.
00:42:23.580 No, you're never, no, you're not.
00:42:24.920 Whenever I say that you're mean and it's a hormonal thing, you're always like, yes, I am.
00:42:29.140 And I'll work on it.
00:42:29.980 But understand that, you know, I don't.
00:42:31.960 There's only so much I can do when I have, like, off the charts.
00:42:33.940 Very introspective on that stuff.
00:42:35.660 But don't you remember that one time, the last time I got overstimulated, ovarian, sorry, ovarian hyperstimulation, and my estrogen was, like, really off the charts?
00:42:43.620 Like, you guys should be worried about this off the charts.
00:42:46.840 And you were like, Simone, you're so mean.
00:42:50.160 I do remember saying that you're being unusual.
00:42:52.080 I was kind of denying it at that time.
00:42:54.200 But anyway.
00:42:54.960 You weren't denying it at all.
00:42:55.680 You were like, look, I have X hormone levels right now.
00:42:58.980 I'm trying my best to handle it.
00:43:00.480 Please work around.
00:43:01.580 And I'm like, yeah, sure.
00:43:02.660 It wasn't working.
00:43:03.680 Anyway, I still, I have fascination with this from a more medical perspective.
00:43:10.760 Like, I think that there are chemical things that are going on.
00:43:13.260 And I think it's important to understand, especially if you're considering a medical transition for yourself.
00:43:21.040 And even if you're not, because, like, from a nootropic standpoint, from all these other standpoints, your hormonal composition affects you.
00:43:29.260 And it's really cool.
00:43:30.860 I mean, we have a big natural experiment in trans people.
00:43:34.040 And I wish that more longitudinal research was being done.
00:43:37.060 Because here we're seeing the effect that totally voluntarily taken exogenous hormones have on people.
00:43:44.320 And maybe they're not all negative.
00:43:46.700 Like, I'd like to see where it's helping people.
00:43:48.600 So, anyway, this is a fascinating subject.
00:43:50.620 And I'm glad that you discussed it.
00:43:52.420 But, unfortunately, the Wachowski effect is not to describe something going well.
00:44:00.060 Well, no.
00:44:00.880 But it is to describe something that's gender-affirming.
00:44:03.480 Yes.
00:44:04.180 Is it not gender-affirming that when a person transitions to a woman that they suck at murder?
00:44:10.120 Say something funny, Wendy.
00:44:11.200 We can't wait.
00:44:13.300 I'm not funny.
00:44:14.620 Hey, girls are funny, Wendy.
00:44:15.760 Okay?
00:44:16.100 Get over it.
00:44:16.960 Just do women's comedy stuff.
00:44:17.980 You know, talk about how fat you are and how you want to have sex with guys.
00:44:19.780 And then say, my vagina a lot.
00:44:22.400 I don't feel like being funny right now.
00:44:24.580 And that's just the kind of sexist bullcrap that's going to keep you in the kitchen.
00:44:27.120 Sit your ass down.
00:44:28.440 This isn't a joke, you guys.
00:44:29.520 Girls are funny.
00:44:30.200 No.
00:44:30.580 There are amazing female writers and creatives that do amazing work.
00:44:36.360 So, I just don't think it's like, well, women just suck at this stuff.
00:44:39.220 Maybe it's a stylistic thing.
00:44:40.220 There are certain types of writing women suck at.
00:44:42.900 Yeah, like, there aren't very many female sci-fi writers.
00:44:45.580 And yet, there are lots of fantasy writers that are very successful.
00:44:50.380 Obviously, women dominate in romance.
00:44:52.540 So, yeah.
00:44:52.960 I mean, there are certainly places that are dominated by certain genders.
00:44:57.980 All right.
00:44:58.420 Love you to death, Simone.
00:44:59.360 Love you, too.
00:44:59.860 Have a good day.
00:45:00.600 Bye.
00:45:00.860 I was speaking or texting with that mother that I really admire that I keep telling her.
00:45:06.660 And I realized when talking with her about her process, because obviously she has seven kids, soon eight, that when you become a parent of a really large family, it's not what people think it is.
00:45:18.340 I think they think just like, it's like being in the Weasley household, you know, everything's crazy.
00:45:24.120 But really, everything you do just is done on a commercial scale.
00:45:28.900 You become a commercial restaurant.
00:45:30.660 You become a commercial clothing warehouse.
00:45:32.680 You become, and you're doing all these things the way that a business would do it or that a caterer would do it.
00:45:37.840 And it's not actually harder to make a meal for 100 people, I would argue, you know, or 50 people.
00:45:46.780 It's just a different process.
00:45:48.240 But once you get that process down, it's quite doable.
00:45:50.840 And I feel really grateful that when I grew up, I worked, well, sort of volunteered with my parents when they were doing whitewater raft stuff.
00:46:01.420 Because all the river guides also did all the cooking, all the cleaning up after dinner.
00:46:07.040 Like they did like all the catering, everything.
00:46:09.320 They packed all the lunches.
00:46:10.640 So I got really used to like industrial scale baking, cooking, and cleaning.
00:46:17.880 And it just, when you think about parenting a large family from that perspective, it becomes so much more feasible.
00:46:25.240 And you just have, you just have to think about it differently, but it's not like children times five, six, seven.
00:46:32.740 It's more, either you have two or three or four children, or you have big family.
00:46:40.140 There's not this like incremental increase in work.
00:46:42.900 It's just big family.
00:46:43.460 Well, and I think it's also why once you get to like a few kids, it gets so easy.
00:46:47.600 And it's easier from the beginning if you plan to have a lot of kids.
00:46:50.260 Yeah, because you're doing it industrial style.
00:46:52.280 Everything is purchased in bulk.
00:46:53.620 Meals are made in bulk.
00:46:54.580 Like washing is done in bulk.
00:46:56.500 Like purchasing is done, like on industrial scale.
00:47:00.140 It's just, it's great.
00:47:01.680 Well, and it forces a degree of frugality and practicality in all your decisions.
00:47:05.500 You can't be like, oh, Timmy would like this toy.
00:47:08.900 It's more like, is this toy going to work for four generations of kids?
00:47:13.240 Yeah, like this mother has this really organized system for drink cups, for example.
00:47:17.380 Because it's like every kid can have their little weird drink cup.
00:47:20.840 Everyone has one cup and they all have different colors.
00:47:25.520 So everyone knows where their cup is.
00:47:27.120 Like the cups all go in the same like stacked shelf.
00:47:29.480 They all are the same style.
00:47:30.900 So they fit together and they go in like that makes so much more sense.
00:47:35.100 Also, it's so much less stressful than like, oh, well, for my youngest daughter, she has this cup.
00:47:40.360 And then my older daughter, she has this cup and like, you have to, you know, you're losing it all the time and it's a problem.
00:47:45.380 And this just, yeah, there's in so many ways, it's way lower stress.
00:47:49.800 Like, honestly, I would rather cook a meal for 50 people than for like two persnickety people from a chef perspective.
00:48:00.940 It's just a lot easier.
00:48:02.560 And the food's not worse.
00:48:04.680 Sometimes it's easier to screw up a two-person meal than it is to screw up a 50-person meal.
00:48:11.180 So, yeah, I just, it changed the way I looked at parenting.
00:48:14.960 And I love that she constantly blows my mind with that.
00:48:17.420 All right, let's do it.
00:48:20.780 Hello.
00:48:23.080 What you doing, buddy?
00:48:25.500 Look at this.
00:48:28.700 Oh.
00:48:35.140 Now we've got to say it together.
00:48:41.000 Well, I do like this one.
00:48:44.940 You don't like phonics?
00:48:47.420 That's phonics, buddy.
00:48:49.600 Show me what else does your Chromebook do.
00:48:56.760 Do you like it?
00:48:57.760 Do you like school?
00:48:58.960 Yeah.
00:48:59.320 Yeah.