The War on Lesbians & Wholesome Families
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Summary
In this episode, Simone and I discuss the anti-wholesome, anti-family, and anti-white culture that we see coming out of the far-left urban monoculture. We discuss why this is happening, and why it is a symptom of a larger problem.
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any form of emotional pain is considered a form of violence and something that should be
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systematically avoided. So if it causes you pain through cognitive dissonance, like maybe I would
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have wanted to have a- Yeah, we're going to get there. We're going to get there. But you jumped
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to the answer, but we got to get to their point by point. I was watching lesbians complaining
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about their communities being invaded. And I just can't imagine what it would feel like.
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Imagine you're living in a society where like space marines exist. Okay. There are these people
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that are 20% larger than you, five times stronger than you. But now these people who are very sexually
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aggressive are demanding that you suck their penises. And now everyone who you thought before
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was like part of your safe space is now saying that you're a bigot and you're not really straight
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because you won't suck these men's penises. And so now you're kicked out of even these safe spaces.
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And you honestly, I think that's how it feels. That's how it feels to them for sure.
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. And I want to talk about an idea
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that I had recently and I actually had it a while ago, but it's something that I've really been
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reflecting on in my thinking is the vitriol we see certain far left urban monoculture activists
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What you're doing right now, being with your kid, they'll see a loving family or they'll see,
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you know, they're like, that looks so heteronormative. That looks so, you know, you see this,
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you know, they'll, they'll see a trad wife and they'll be like, this is an, this is misogynistic
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for her to be living this life or for her to be in a happy relationship with a straight white man.
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You went out with a white male. I was a freshman.
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And I have been thinking why this extremist reaction to this. And it occurred to me that
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from the perspective of ultra far left ideology, wholesomeness and a wholesome lifestyle is
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literally a lifestyle of violence. It is a form of violence against marginalized communities
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from their perspective. They would call marginalized communities.
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How so if it's 100% sovereign in one's own house?
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Exactly. How? Because that is an interesting question. And so we need to go into their world
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structure. So the first aspect of their world structure that we need to understand is it is a
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cultural system that is completely defined. And I talk about this all the time. So I'll be very
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quick in summarizing this defined around any form of emotional pain is considered a form of
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violence and something that should be systematically avoided. So even if it causes you pain through
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cognitive dissonance, like maybe I would have wanted to have, we're going to get there. We're
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going to get there, but you've jumped to the answer, but we got to get to their point by point.
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So you look at something like the haze movement, the healthy at every size movement. Why would you
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hide from women mostly that being overweight is, has negative long-term health repercussions because
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it causes in the moment pain. And therefore it's an evil thing to do because
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in the moment, emotional pain, and they force the evil thing to do, or you tell them your lifestyle
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will not lead you to long-term happiness. That is a form of, of, of violence against it because
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you have caused this emotional pain to them. This is where things like misgendering and stuff like
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that. They're like, this is a form of violence and it should be outlawed. Like it's obviously not a
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form of violence. So then how are they defining violence? They're defining violence around things
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that make them feel upset with what they've allowed their lives to become. Call somebody out
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for their own failures as a form of violence. Wow. I can see that when our kids fight, it's
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typically because one kid sees the other kid having a really good time with a toy. And then suddenly
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their entire life is misery because they do not have that one toy. And we even, for example,
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have bought copies of some toys. We have bumper cars, for example, and we have two identical orange
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bumper cars. Cause you very intelligently. The kids have noticed they make slightly different
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noises. Yes. So they're like, we're like, there's another bumper car. Just get in the empty identical
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bumper car. And they're like, no, I want this bumper. I want to see bumper car. And they see it.
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And yes, they experience real pain. Actually, before we go further with this topic, I would
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like people to reflect on this in their own life. How much of the things they desire is just because
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they saw somebody else having fun with it and now they want it. Keep in mind. I think everything
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makes a lot more sense though, once you've had toddlers and siblings. Yeah. How hard coded this is
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in us world, a status signaling. And I saw somebody else who had these things and they are either high
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status or seem to be happy. Therefore I want these things. Yeah. And I need that thing. Yes.
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The trad wife marketing works so well to market an idea in a lifestyle, right?
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But we'll hold on though, because for whatever reason, trad wives don't appear to be watching
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the progressive YouTubers and the progressive commentators and going, Oh, why don't I have
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my, I don't know. Nobody wants their lives. Like I look at the, these ultra progressive
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lives. I just don't think anybody wants them. They're like, yeah, but I get to do whatever
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I want and be affirmed for being whoever I want to be. And we're meanwhile, the other
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side of the aisle is like, but won't that like really mess up your head and cause a lot
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of mental health issues and make you fundamentally unfulfilled. And they're like, don't say that's
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violent. Cause intuitively I would expect like when I model my progressively raised self, I
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would assume that when people from more conservative cultures see my progressive lifestyle of getting
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to do whatever I want in the moment that feels good, that they would be jealous. Oh, I'm fasting
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on Sunday. It's conference Sunday and I can't eat or whatever. And then, Oh, look, they're eating
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pancakes at IHOP, but I'm so jealous and whatever. Right. Like you'd think they'd be jealous. And
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it's interesting to me that doesn't seem to be taking place that we look at. Yeah. I think
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the progressive model of the conservative mind is just by bigotry where bigotry is prejudgment
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and dehumanization of another group that they don't understand from the perspective of conservatives
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that they get to masturbate all day, whenever they feel like, and eat all the foods they feel
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like, whenever they feel like. And, um, we're not looking at that with envy. We're like, Oh,
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like that's sad, which is also very interesting from progressive mindset. When they're looking at
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these videos and they're looking at these ideas and you have created this cognitive dissonance in them,
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like the wholesomeness is literally a form of violence against them. It is literally hurtful to
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them because it shows that two groups promise two different things. And Bo said, this thing will
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give you happiness. There's two different cultural assumptions around what gives a person fulfillment
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and happiness. And they need to believe that the other group was lying because they know that there's
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no happiness at the end of what they have. And I will say that there is definitely a form of the
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trad wife, like the ultra strict trad wife. We've done a different video on this. That is a complete
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LARP. And it is, it does lead to unhappiness. Ultimately, you look at a relationship like Steven
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Crowder's or something like that, where he's bought into this ultra traditionalist mindset that is not
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really, it has like genuine misogyny as part of it. Or Lauren Southern, who got the divorce after
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trying to try a wife lifestyle and just seeing that you need a real traditional relationship. So I'd go
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watch our video on that and I'll post the title card on the screen here. So it's easier to find.
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But this is interesting because it provides an explanation for something that I think can be
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confusing to conservatives, which is progressives for so long said they just wanted the government
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out of their house, not regulating them. Why now that they are in power, are they trying to
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disintermediate anyone from seeing these sort of conservative messages? And are they so
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antagonistic to these happy, healthy, heterosexual relationships and marriages and even wholesome
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gay marriages? So we have gay friends who are like conservative leaning and have kids and have
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structured this very wholesome lifestyle for themselves. And they confide in us that they
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actually deal with a lot of ostracization from the gay community and are seen as being traitors to
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the community. And you actually see this within a black community as well. For example, like you can
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ask, like, why are so often these wholesome two parent black families seen as race traitors seen as
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like othered by the black community? Like you're not really black. They'll say these things that they
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vote conservative and move into these conservative mindsets. And part of it is that they are a form of
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violence against the iterations of the black community that went with other cultural hypotheses,
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like the dissolution of the family unit, which I should say is being pushed very hard. It's like
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a key aspect of Marxist philosophy is the dissolution of the family unit. And so they've worked really hard
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in the communities where they have more sway, like the black community, to actively dissolve family
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units. Wow. And so like the huge percentage of black kids that are being born, and I'll put the statistic
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here into single families, that is an active campaign by certain extremists, like priest factions
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within the urban monoculture. And I also think that this comes to another thing where they're like,
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you guys are often guffawing and far progressives and stuff like that and getting worried about it.
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Like, why are you doing that? Right. And I should point out here that we don't like, you'll never hear us
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on our channel, like attacking, like gay men, for example, or even really gay women on our channel.
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But you'll often hear us complaining about the trans community. So what's the difference between
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these various groups, right? And it's that the trans community is really actively targeting
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individuals who I do not believe are actually trans. And most of them are individuals who are,
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have mental health issues, really disproportionately they target autistic children,
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which our children have fallen in the category of, and attempt to, I actually had a joke recently
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that I was going to put on Twitter or something where I was like, we have autistic children,
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or as they're called within the trans community, eggs. Do you know what an egg is within the trans
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community? No. That's a target that they think might be potentially trans that needs to have it
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shell cracked. And if you look at the recent research that's been coming out, we now know that of 11 year
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olds, nine out of 10 of them who identify with the opposite gender are going to detransition within
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five years, not detransition, but are going to no longer have that predilection within five years.
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Yeah. They're doing irreparable damage if they're getting some kind of intervention.
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Yeah. Yeah. And if you look at the long-term medical issues that people who transition have
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and stuff like that, so that's why we focus so much on that community because it's actively doing harm
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to other cultural groups and survives through this active form of harm, which actually brings me to
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another thing I can complain about right now on this episode, because it was really getting to me
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today based on some episodes I was watching of detransitioned individuals and lesbians complaining
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about their communities being invaded. And I just can't imagine what it would feel like. I understand
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where some turfs are coming from, what it would feel like to be a lesbian woman and have this movement
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that was moving to like women only spaces where you could go and dating apps. And just as the rest of
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the gay rights movement is really getting together. Now, all of a sudden, if you're a lesbian woman on a
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dating app, everyone who's reaching out to you is a non-passing trans woman. Every single person
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that's reaching out. And you are being called a bigot for not going on dates with them. Keep in
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mind, a lot of these women have fear around getting raped or something like that. Or they're just,
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in terms of sexual orientation, uniquely turned off by male characteristics. That's totally a thing
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that exists. So a couple of things I wanted to go a bit deeper on here. One of the things we talk about
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in The Pragmatist's Guide to Sexuality is that human arousal when it comes to gender is not divided
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into male and female. It's divided into specific environmental stimuli, i.e. seeing a penis,
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seeing breasts, seeing the male form, seeing the female form. And it exists on a spectrum of arousal to
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discuss. So in some individuals, seeing one of these gendered things can generate a very large
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amount of disgust in them. The exact opposite of arousal. Actually, we argue that it's literally
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the opposite of arousal. When you are aroused, your pupils dilate. You look at something longer.
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You typically breathe in. When you are disgusted, you typically look away from something as much as
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possible. You want to get away from it. And instead of go closer to it, your pupils contract
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and you hold your nose. We suspect they're operating off the same system. But anyway,
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you know, so they are experiencing an extreme amount of disgust when they're seeing these
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individuals. And we'd also note that the trans individuals, you know, people born men who are
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going into these lesbian spaces, they are not the normal types of trans individuals you see.
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They are, well, the creepy ones, the ones who don't have any sort of normal social consideration and no
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sort of boundaries. And this is the thing where a lot of people are like, come on, are you really
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telling me that if you gave creepy, sexually aggressive men a way to predate on women just
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by lying about their gender, that they would do that? That creepy, sexually aggressive men would
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lie to try to sleep with lesbian women? And then, of course, you reflect on this for a second.
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Of course, of course, that's exactly what creepy, sexually aggressive men would do,
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especially if you gave them a social cheat where no one's allowed to criticize their behavior.
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Because they're heterosexual, right? If they were gay dudes who were trans, they wouldn't even be
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I have never met a transbian that was not an autodynophile.
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And that is, I think, even the worst part of this is we are getting the sickest and creepiest
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dudes. This isn't the, what most people think a trans woman is. I think the most average person
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who's just not involved is thinks a trans woman is a super effeminate gay man who transitioned
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fully. And they're like, well, she's okay. She can use the bathroom. That is not the majority
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Hi, my name is Luz. I'm a trans and polyamorous therapist in Texas. And this is my therapy
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theme of the week. This week's theme honors lesbian visibility week. As I myself am a trans
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lesbian, this is what I want to say about lesbians. One of the reasons why I love being a lesbian
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and I love lesbians is because we get to show the world that it is possible to love outside the
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dimensions of patriarchy. We, with sapphic love, create an entirely different dimension, an entirely
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different way of loving people and living. And it's so fucking beautiful. It's as important as the
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sunshine. I once heard that a lot of lesbians, particularly cis lesbians, initiate flirting
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with other women is through eye contact. You could just tell in the eyes, oh, they're in
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you. As autistic trans women, that doesn't work. Because for one, I need people to be very direct
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with me because I don't like to make assumptions about their intentions. By default, men's trans
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women have their walls up and are ready to brawl because if a woman's staring at us, there's
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just this innate fear that they're going to, that they've clocked us and they're going
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to say some turf bullshit and we got to start throwing. Who the f***? Yeah, you're going
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to be clocked. Look at you. Have you seen yourself? Is there a mirror in your house, sir?
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Yeah. And so if I was going to convey to a straight guy how this would feel, okay, imagine you're
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living in a society where like space marines exist. Okay. There are these people that are
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20% larger than you, five times stronger than you. And you had decided that you only liked women.
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You as a guy only like women, right? You like having sex with women and you really don't like
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penises or anything like that. But now all of a sudden, a category of these space marines
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who are all male, okay, they all have penises, everything like that, has started saying that
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they're women. On dating apps, they're the only group reaching out to you. They go into what used
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to be like safe spaces because you used to have these private spaces where like only men could
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go before. But now these people who are very sexually aggressive are coming into these spaces
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and they're demanding that you suck their penises. They are demanding. And now everyone who you
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thought before was like part of your safe space is now saying that you're a bigot and you're not
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really straight because you won't suck these men's penises. And so now you're kicked out of even
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these safe spaces. Honestly, I think that's how it feels. That's how it feels to them for sure.
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Yeah, that's how it feels to them. It's either you suck space marine cock or you are no longer
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a straight male. Like you'd be like just one of the fear that you would live with every day when
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you go to one of these spaces and then all of a sudden this 12 foot tall person marches in with
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10 times your muscle mass. And this formerly was a community where you felt safe talking about
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what it feels like to be a non-space marine in a space marine society. I feel so bad for them.
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It's not that I don't also feel for actual trans individuals, but I think the real thing,
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I think some individuals are actually trans individuals, but they can't understand why
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women who were born women would want spaces where these other category of person isn't coming into.
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Or because men are like people who are born men are much more like sexually aggressive on these apps
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and stuff like that. And now there's no like female only dating apps or women who were born
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women like cis women only, cis lesbian women only dating apps. That just doesn't exist. Like even
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her and stuff like that is now regularly promoting like you can get categorized and kicked off the app
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for being a quote unquote turf for saying trans women. And then you can get kicked off Tinder for
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First, I got kicked off of Tinder for putting that I was... I think I put female only.
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Because I know her used to be pretty specific for women. And then they released the whole
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thing like their whole policy basically saying, oh, we don't discriminate against anybody and
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everybody's welcome. And then at that point, you're like, then it's not lesbian. Like it's not for women.
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Her has even had, I don't remember the exact wording, but they've had like kind of pop-up
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announcements on the app about turfism. There's this specific category to report people for being
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And so all of the people reaching out to you. And so you just become like an incel. Like if people
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say incel women don't exist, like this is the one category where I'd be like, there probably
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are actual incel lesbians just because you can't go into any public space without being hit on by
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like hundreds of what to you. To me, I've got nothing against trans people doing what they're
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doing. But would I sleep with one of them, especially one of them who doesn't pass? As a
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straight man, most straight men are like viscerally, yeah, I get it, lesbians. I get why you're having
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this visceral reaction to this. Then to have this entire safety net. So there's that, but then there's also
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this hatred of wholesomeness that we regularly see because of the explosion of mental health issues
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in these communities that saw like a constant hose of dopamine. Just do whatever I want whenever I
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want. And there's a lot of cope that comes out of that too. One of the most common responses appears
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to be, oh, this is all a lie. It is all an illusion. I think this is one of the big reasons why eight
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passengers crashed and burned so publicly is that at first you had this large trad family
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that took a more conservative approach to parenting. They were harder on punishment,
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et cetera. And then finally they just went off the rails, crashed and burned. And it allowed a huge
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portion of the community, the progressive community to say, see exactly every family,
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every conservative family that appears wholesome. In the end, it turns out that the mother has joined
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some kind of psychologist cult and is leaving the father and the kids are being horribly treated and
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all of these things. And that's a huge message that I see as well. So it's not just framing it as an
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attack. I think a lot of it also is just turning it into cope because even acknowledging that it's an
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attack acknowledges that you wish that you had that for yourself.
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So as a former progressive woman who grew up in San Francisco, did you think relationships like
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ours existed or did you think it was a whole lot? No, of course not.
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You've seen pretty deeply into both the lifestyles. Be the person who's just being like,
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honestly, this is how it is. Like, what are your thoughts? Like, is it really as good as they say
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it is? Is it better than they say it is? Is it? Yeah. What are your real thoughts?
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The mindset that I was raised with, if I were to see a trad wife and I'd never encountered a trad wife,
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so I would have thought that it was fictional first, would be that this is someone who's
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extremely sheltered and doesn't know any better. So they've just been essentially robbed of a
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series of opportunities in their lives. And they are a trad wife because that is all that they've
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been exposed to, which to be fair is how many people are raised. Ayla was raised in an environment
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where she was just told that like all of her education was this so she could be a good homeschooling
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stay-at-home mother. And then she leaves that world and realizes that she was robbed of a lot of
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opportunities. And that's a very legitimate complaint. So I think the perception of the
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world that I was raised with is not totally wrong. And I think that's one of the reasons why this kind
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of mindset, this view that a lot of people in this position are being lied to are just missing a lot
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of opportunities that they otherwise would have pursued is because a lot of the time it's true.
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I think that the big thing that's missing is that progressives don't grow up understanding
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fully the supportive role that traditional cultures play. And I definitely grew up really
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envying and really missing this concept of having traditions and having holidays and having a cohesive
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culture and having a, we do this, we stand for that. This is what we're all about. And even the books
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that my parents read to me as I was a kid, it seemed like this fantasy that was so appealing, that was
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so cozy, but that had gone extinct. So I could see people who are progressive now looking at a trad family
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and saying, you are just cosplaying as this thing that isn't real anymore. And it can't be real. And this
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is really offensive because I want it to like my parents and many people went through this. They were read
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Little House on the Prairie by their parents. So they read those books as a kid and they loved
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this life that's actually quite austere. That's quite difficult. There's disease, there's danger,
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there's deprivation, but it's one of the coziest book series you could possibly read. And there's
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this perception that just is something that could happen in the past and couldn't happen now.
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And I think that people hear that I have final say on all things in our relationship. And I think that
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there's the assumption that then I must be like, as a person living in this relationship where it's
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like an actually healthy sort of trad life relationship, do you feel like the misogyny,
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I think you would assume as an outsider, like of me having final say in everything? Do you feel like
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you're not consulted in decisions or that I... Not at all. I think what people miss when it comes down
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to hierarchies in a relationship is that it doesn't feel like a hierarchy. It feels,
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it feels like specialization of labor. It feels like an economic decision and choice. Someone
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that I was corresponding with who followed this podcast was telling me, this is someone I admire
00:25:16.920
deeply. She's amazing. A homeschooling mother of seven kids. Yeah. We're not going to name,
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we don't name anyone because we're not going to reveal anyone, but she was talking about how
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people really misunderstand trad relationships and that this whole concept of people exerting their
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dominance is like pulling rank. And whenever you're pulling rank, you are essentially like,
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paying capital. You are, you're demonstrating the fact that you didn't have that rank in the first
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place. You're trying to reassert something that you haven't earned. And that in a true relationship
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where you have a hierarchy, because it's naturally sorting, you have specialization of labor and you
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never have this feeling of maintaining frame or pulling rank or shit testing, because it is just so
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clear that you are really good at this. I'm really good at this. We're going to do our jobs and we
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trust each other to do a good job because we see that the outcomes are ideal when we trust each
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other, that you earn that hierarchy, you earn that position. So yeah, I think that's also something
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that's not really seen in, in progressive circles when they look at traditional circles,
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because one relationships have been so broken down that it's just understood that people are in these
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atomized relationships where they don't really have, no one has a specialization. No one has a role. No one
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has, everyone has to be able to do absolutely everything by themselves. Their finances are by
00:26:40.960
themselves, their careers by themselves, their friendships are by themselves. So there's no
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specialization. And then there's also this really huge misrepresentation among so-called conservatives
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who constantly talk about maintaining frame and constantly talk about shit tests and constantly talk about their
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dominance and constantly are pulling rank. And they totally mess, like they act as though that they
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are, they represent trad life when they are 100% not at all representative of trad life.
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Yeah, I completely agree with you. And another interesting thing that I wanted to highlight here
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because our eight passengers video never is going live because we did film one on it.
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And what I said on that video a long time ago, right after the eight passenger situation happened
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is I looked at some of the stuff. So people who don't know, she basically fell into a cult with this
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other lady who started living with them. And I looked at pictures of her and I was like,
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this lady's a lesbian. Yeah. And then I'll put pictures on the screen. If you grew up around a
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lot of gay people, you can like tell, like she sets off the gaydar to such an extreme.
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But even people with no gaydar are like, but that's a lesbian, right?
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Yeah. Her actions make sense now. So what she would do is try to break up men and tell them that they
00:27:50.040
were addicted to porn of women. And I think it's because she was. And so she just learned she could say this
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to any guy to break up. Like her whole thing was attempting to break up straight.
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I don't even, I don't think necessarily she has to have been addicted to porn to do that. I think
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she discovered that it was very easy to do that, to assert her own dominance within a relationship
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and disintermediate the husband and wife. It was the easiest way.
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It might actually be worse doing a whole video on how she brainwashed people because it was a really
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interesting tactic. Comment below if you think so.
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Yeah. And it sounds like our kids are back from the park. Oh my gosh. I love my wife. I love my
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kids and I love this life you have created for me. We need to do some wholesome family time. I'm
00:28:33.400
looking forward to it. Am I making, we're making you beef bulgogi tonight. Bulgogi and then corn
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ribs. Yes. Oh my gosh. I didn't know what ribs are, but I saw them at Trader Joe's and I was like,
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let's try it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. All right. You are a very special and amazing woman.
00:28:50.040
And thank you for committing violence against the urban monoculture every day by enjoying your life
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and broadcasting that. Thank you for asserting your dominance through your natural superiority.
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I love you so much. Oh, maybe this is tied to women online all the time, always posting their
00:29:04.860
losses. Like everyone's always talking about women posting their losses. That might make another
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video good as well. There's this trend online of like women posting like really horrible days or
00:29:14.020
when they really screwed up or when they really like just, oh, this horrible thing happened to me.
00:29:18.480
What? Men don't do this very frequently. Yeah. I'll pull up a compilation on it. It's an
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interesting phenomenon. I have not fallen down this hole yet. Okay, cool. Looking forward to it.