Based Camp - The War on Tomboys： How Both the Right & the Left are Threatening a Beloved American Archetype

00:00:00.000 So both the left and the right have in their own way declared war on tomboys.

00:00:07.100 So the left has done this in the trans movement.

00:00:11.000 So the trans movement says, if you are a girl, but you like boy-like things, 0.56

00:00:16.660 and you like dressing like a boy, and you like-

00:00:19.780 You're not a tomboy, you're a boy.

00:00:21.420 Good morning, y'all.

00:00:22.320 Quick update on the house, because I've been pretty terrible about giving y'all these.

00:00:26.140 This went viral on Twitter with the caption,

00:00:28.120 This accent needs to be illegal, and women should be banned from doing manual labor like this. 1.00

00:00:32.660 Lebanese women are literally perfect, and they're actually feminine, 1.00

00:00:35.760 unlike estrogen-deficient American women who hold the record for the highest testosterone levels in the world.

00:00:40.960 Which is interesting, because it shows that she doesn't seem to understand what testosterone does in women.

00:00:45.720 The rate to which they are sexually interested, it increases how prominent their cheekbones are.

00:00:52.360 It decreases their weight.

00:00:54.200 Pretty much everything that your average American man finds attractive in a woman. 0.86

00:00:59.060 You're not like a guy with high cheekbones.

00:01:00.960 Ew, get rid of those cheekbones. 0.99

00:01:02.780 I like a girl with a formless, doughy face. 1.00

00:01:07.260 But this woman is explicitly arguing for an Eastern European slash Muslim iteration of femininity, 0.98

00:01:17.460 which is very different from the form of femininity, which is traditional with an American culture.

00:01:24.100 Some people look down on me, but I don't give a rip.

00:01:29.220 I stand there, put it in my own front yard with a baby on my hip.

00:01:34.040 Would you like to know more?

00:01:35.400 So we're doing the Tomboy episode right now, right?

00:01:37.700 And the Tomboy apocalypse that our species is currently facing.

00:01:42.800 What?

00:01:43.000 Oh, we'll talk about the Tomboy apocalypse.

00:01:46.860 Tomboy, for people who don't know this term, it's an American term that means a girl who is predisposed to acting like a guy and dressing like a guy. 0.97

00:01:58.580 So in my generation, it's a bit different from this generation, because now most Tom girls have been depleted, and we'll explain what happened there.

00:02:05.260 Tomboys.

00:02:05.980 Tomboys.

00:02:06.500 But in my generation, this would have been the girl with the ponytail through the baseball cap, who was a little bit sporty, the freckles from being out in the sun a little too much, like hunting, like fishing, playing outdoors a lot.

00:02:20.120 And it was a little more masculine than other girls like to wear. 0.91

00:02:24.340 My thing, oh God, and I just drool over this when I see it.

00:02:27.780 Like my classic Tomboy trope is when they go out and they would go swimming with us.

00:02:32.620 There was one I had a big crush on.

00:02:34.380 You know, the board shorts with a bikini.

00:02:36.640 Oh, I did that.

00:02:37.580 Maybe you would have liked me.

00:02:38.820 Oh, I would have.

00:02:39.620 Oh, that was so cute.

00:02:40.880 You did the board shorts with a bikini? 0.74

00:02:42.280 Of course I did.

00:02:42.940 Come on.

00:02:43.080 That is peak hot Tom girl.

00:02:46.480 Oh, and I've seen your body back then.

00:02:48.180 You were pretty ripped.

00:02:49.360 It was nice.

00:02:50.200 No, no.

00:02:50.840 I looked like a linebacker sometimes.

00:02:54.760 But I was on the team.

00:02:55.920 Linebacker and not like a Tomboy?

00:02:57.560 Come on, that is.

00:02:58.900 Yeah, I would, yeah.

00:02:59.760 To simply define it is for a young woman to show a higher than average number of male

00:03:07.180 gender dimorphic behavioral traits.

00:03:09.980 So playing sports, being more physically active, being more physically aggressive, being more

00:03:13.960 assertive.

00:03:14.700 Those were all tomboy traits and often more dressing like a boy.

00:03:18.080 So I had some friends when I was little who weren't actually that tomboyish in behavior,

00:03:23.900 but they were often seen as a tomboy because they had older siblings that were all boys.

00:03:28.760 So of course they were male clothing as a hand-me-down kind of thing.

00:03:32.380 So they came across as tomboys.

00:03:33.640 Like in, there's this picture of me with one of my friends on our first day of kindergarten

00:03:38.240 and she's wearing this like old pair of overalls.

00:03:42.280 She has her hair in a ponytail.

00:03:43.260 It's got like a shirt and I'm wearing the frilliest dress that you have ever seen.

00:03:48.680 And we look completely mismatched.

00:03:51.200 So I think that's something that also comes up to outfit choices and who's dressing you

00:03:54.900 can influence whether or not you're perceived as a tomboy.

00:03:57.500 But what's this apocalypse?

00:03:59.000 Are we running out of tomboys?

00:04:00.300 I didn't think we were.

00:04:01.820 In a huge way.

00:04:02.600 So both the left and the right have in their own way declared war on tomboys.

00:04:08.840 So the left has done this in the trans movement.

00:04:13.600 So the trans movement says, if you are a girl, but you like boy-like things and you like dressing 0.78

00:04:20.560 like a boy and you like-

00:04:22.320 You're not a tomboy.

00:04:23.300 You're a boy.

00:04:24.520 You're a boy.

00:04:25.140 Yeah.

00:04:25.720 Yeah.

00:04:25.880 Because they're gender essentialists, right? 0.91

00:04:27.680 So they look at these girls who prefer playing video games and doing boy-like hobbies, 0.66

00:04:35.460 their anime and stuff like that.

00:04:36.760 And they go, you're not a girl.

00:04:37.940 You're a boy.

00:04:38.460 That explains why you like boy-like things.

00:04:41.480 Essentially.

00:04:42.060 So people in especially certain circles of society are not being allowed to be tomboys.

00:04:49.440 I don't know if you say allowed, if you're talking about permanently chemically castrated,

00:04:55.680 having their breasts removed surgically while they are preteens.

00:05:00.080 Yeah. 0.61

00:05:00.500 And yeah, sorry.

00:05:01.720 It's a bit more than allowed.

00:05:03.520 They are surgically mutilating tomboys because they do not gender conform to the left binary 1.00

00:05:13.080 gender ideology. 0.99

00:05:15.440 And if you're going to say here, nobody ever transitions because they were socially pressured

00:05:20.460 to, this is just an obviously untrue statement.

00:05:24.400 Otherwise, detransitioners wouldn't exist. 1.00

00:05:27.460 Or I guess you could say all detransitioners are faking it. 1.00

00:05:30.380 You can invalidate somebody's lived experience when it goes against your ideology, but you

00:05:35.440 must affirm it if it goes along with your ideology instead of admitting that maybe both sides

00:05:40.560 are true.

00:05:41.340 Maybe there are real trans people, but there are also people who are socially pressured

00:05:46.540 to transition when it wasn't the right decision for them.

00:05:50.120 And what I can tell you is every young tomboy girl I have met in the past maybe five years

00:05:56.760 or so has confided in me that they have felt enormous social pressure to transition.

00:06:03.060 And some have even reported incidences to me of individuals calling them transphobic for

00:06:09.160 presenting masculine traits, but not transitioning or not adopting male gender pronouns, or at

00:06:15.880 least non-binary gender pronouns.

00:06:18.040 And if you think I am exaggerating, here are the comments under that random image of a tomboy

00:06:23.860 I found.

00:06:24.360 The very top one is encouraging them to think of themselves as gender non-binary or trans and

00:06:34.480 letting them know that they will receive social affirmation if they do that.

00:06:38.960 Doesn't this mean that I would be a really wonderful dystopian national leader?

00:06:43.920 Because I just have so many diplomatic ways to word things.

00:06:47.300 What do you mean by that?

00:06:48.700 That I don't say things like that.

00:06:50.740 I'm just like, they're not allowed to be tomboys.

00:06:53.120 Yeah.

00:06:53.920 What a pleasant way to say that they underwent surgery, that there is no...

00:07:00.040 Because this is one of the things that's often talked about in the trans community, is

00:07:03.560 that it's quite easy, or not quite easy, but much easier for male to female trans individuals

00:07:08.840 to detransition than female to male people to detransition. 0.94

00:07:12.900 And that it's often not told to female to male transitioners how difficult it is to detransition.

00:07:19.040 Especially if you...

00:07:20.180 This is especially the case if you've only undergone chemical transition instead of surgical

00:07:25.980 transition.

00:07:26.740 Because a lot of this stuff is framed as being completely temporary.

00:07:29.860 And this has actually been seen in some of the recent stuff that's come out.

00:07:32.300 But it's not just the left that's creating this phenomenon.

00:07:35.200 And I want to call out right anti-tomboyism because...

00:07:39.480 Anti-tomboyism.

00:07:40.640 Our boys are going to need to date spunky young girls who like boyish stuff. 0.64

00:07:45.280 I would be so excited.

00:07:46.420 But I don't know where they're going to find tomboys anymore.

00:07:48.240 But I'm going to play a video right now that's from one of my long-term favorite YouTubers

00:07:55.020 who I have reached out to multiple times.

00:07:57.460 It's never gotten back to me.

00:07:58.280 I guess I wasn't famous enough yet or something like that.

00:08:00.480 Maybe eventually. 0.81

00:08:02.020 But a short fat otaku.

00:08:03.880 And I don't want to give our chance.

00:08:05.240 But I really respect him as an intellectual.

00:08:09.200 And I think he has really sophisticated takes on things.

00:08:12.000 Even if he produces so much content now that it's watered down his very best takes.

00:08:17.120 Sometimes I feel like we're doing that.

00:08:18.960 But then I'm like, but I'd have less interesting takes if I produce less content.

00:08:22.400 Like the number of interesting takes I have is not based on...

00:08:25.360 It's not like I have a certain number a week.

00:08:26.860 It's I have a certain number per content I create.

00:08:28.860 And then I can condense them into a book eventually.

00:08:31.820 So I'll have another book that'll just be interesting takes.

00:08:33.840 But with this video...

00:08:35.500 Good morning, y'all.

00:08:36.400 Quick update on the house because I've been pretty terrible about giving y'all these.

00:08:40.240 We took a little break for noodling season and to put out boxes.

00:08:44.280 Now that it's dried in, we can do it at our own pace.

00:08:46.920 But here she is.

00:08:48.660 We're going to stain all that wood, a darker brown.

00:08:52.200 This went viral on Twitter with the caption,

00:08:54.120 This accent needs to be illegal and women should be banned from doing manual labor like this. 1.00

00:08:58.580 There is nothing feminine about American women. 1.00

00:09:00.940 American women are literally men. 0.98

00:09:03.100 The person giving this white-hot take is Samira Khan.

00:09:06.060 A quick flip through her online presence shows that she's cut from the same cloth as Ann Coulter.

00:09:10.660 She's very pro-Trump, very anti-globalist,

00:09:12.880 and very much of the opinion that America's geopolitical enemies, Russia and China,

00:09:16.560 are not actually enemies.

00:09:17.800 Rather, they're authoritarian states that America should emulate.

00:09:20.720 The real enemy, in her view, are the Democrats at home.

00:09:23.320 She's also very feminine, but in a neo-traditionalist way.

00:09:27.060 There's no way this woman would ever be a trad wife, but she's no tomboy either. 0.99

00:09:30.320 She seems to have the opinion that being a trophy wife to a high-status man 1.00

00:09:33.860 is the ultimate accomplishment for a woman.

00:09:36.160 There's no actual traditionalism here.

00:09:37.960 There's no kids, no wifely duties, nothing like that. 0.79

00:09:40.220 But she's also not some sort of progressive, sexually open degenerate either. 0.96

00:09:44.140 She seems content with being arm candy. 0.96

00:09:46.500 And that's fine, you do you.

00:09:47.520 I'm just describing where she's coming from.

00:09:49.280 Personally though, I'm not a fan of the plastic look.

00:09:51.300 Now, Samira Khan got a shit ton of pushback from not only the tomboy lovers out there,

00:09:56.320 but the southern woman lovers. 0.99

00:09:57.840 She reacted by calling them all gay. 0.90

00:09:59.760 In her view, the guys that like Hannah Barron can't be straight men, 0.88

00:10:03.100 because they enjoy masculine women doing masculine things. 0.79

00:10:06.240 Samira turned the entire thing into a long thread detailing her position.

00:10:10.400 Lebanese women are literally perfect, and they're actually feminine, 1.00

00:10:13.540 unlike estrogen-deficient American women, 1.00

00:10:15.740 who hold the record for the highest testosterone levels in the world.

00:10:18.320 This post included a couple of videos of a very made-up woman, 1.00

00:10:21.260 presumably someone Lebanese, getting ready for her wedding.

00:10:23.360 This might actually be Samira, I can't tell.

00:10:25.940 Doesn't really matter.

00:10:26.960 High-value American men should become passport bros.

00:10:29.860 Don't they deserve better than the filth they're limited to in their own country?

00:10:33.240 This post included a video of Hannah in the water,

00:10:35.680 showing off a fish that she caught.

00:10:37.360 Samira then said,

00:10:38.260 Melania Trump is the ideal,

00:10:40.020 and posted a poll asking,

00:10:41.600 which women are the most physically attractive? 1.00

00:10:43.680 When the American women won that poll, 0.96

00:10:45.360 because of course they would,

00:10:46.180 she replied by saying,

00:10:47.420 liberate America from tomboy occupation. 0.56

00:10:49.400 All the straight men combing over her in the replies

00:10:52.600 would be embarrassed to be seen with her in public.

00:10:55.320 Imagine her being your date to a formal event.

00:10:58.200 Yikes.

00:10:58.580 I just love the delusion of her coming from a different cultural background 1.00

00:11:02.540 and not understanding that in most of America,

00:11:05.560 the most American parts of America,

00:11:08.680 you, it would be god-tiered to get a woman like that with you 1.00

00:11:13.940 at a formal event in terms of the prestige that would earn you among other men.

00:11:20.020 A woman who is not only hot, but builds her own stuff, 1.00

00:11:25.620 who contributes and who can fish and who can throw down with the boys,

00:11:29.700 and who likely knows about all the topics that the boys are interested in.

00:11:33.860 Yeah, you really couldn't do better from the perspective of traditional American beauty standards.

00:11:40.140 She is trying to judge American women by Eastern European and Muslim beauty standards 1.00

00:11:46.720 because that is her cultural background.

00:11:49.000 And we are beginning to see this mindset permeate American culture

00:11:54.600 because of Americans looking up to men as signals of what masculinity should be 0.94

00:12:02.460 from different cultural groups,

00:12:04.600 with Andrew Tate being a great example here,

00:12:06.960 who has much more of the Eastern European slash Muslim perspective

00:12:11.540 of male-female relationships.

00:12:14.560 One of the Red Pillar men posted a few more Hannah clips

00:12:16.820 with captions in agreement with Samira.

00:12:18.860 Tomboys are not hot.

00:12:20.380 I repeat, tomboys are not hot. 0.99

00:12:22.500 Attraction to tomboys is homosexuality, 1.00

00:12:24.740 and women shouldn't be working outside. 1.00

00:12:26.460 What kind of man lets his woman work outside like a man? 1.00

00:12:28.860 You've seen the video.

00:12:30.480 So, there's a few things going on in this video I want to note.

00:12:33.200 One is, which I absolutely love,

00:12:35.720 is the accusation of this girl that American women have the highest testosterone rate

00:12:40.920 of any female population in the world.

00:12:43.560 Which is interesting because it shows that she doesn't seem to understand

00:12:46.600 what testosterone does in women.

00:12:49.080 So, do you know what testosterone does in your typical straight woman? 0.85

00:12:53.060 It can make them taller and more assertive and more sexually interested, right?

00:13:01.460 Yeah, so typically it increases the rate to which they are sexually interested.

00:13:06.480 It increases how prominent their cheekbones are.

00:13:09.860 It decreases their weight.

00:13:12.140 It makes them more aggressive.

00:13:14.820 And it makes them more ambitious.

00:13:17.020 Pretty much everything that I think your average American man finds attractive in a woman. 0.77

00:13:21.460 You're not like a guy, like, I like a girl with really high cheekbones.

00:13:25.680 Ew, get rid of those cheekbones. 0.99

00:13:27.480 I like a girl with a formless, doughy face. 1.00

00:13:32.040 But this woman is arguing for a, and this is what I find really interesting,

00:13:37.180 is she is explicitly arguing for a Eastern European slash Muslim iteration of femininity.

00:13:46.560 Which is very different from the form of femininity, which is traditional with an American culture.

00:13:53.180 And this is something I've talked about in other videos, but it is very interesting how

00:13:56.700 so many people are now identifying with the conservative movement. 0.96

00:14:01.740 And they're like, being a woman is being, like, prissy. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:14:06.920 I mean...

00:14:07.560 Like, 90s clueless.

00:14:08.840 Okay, you're probably going, is this like an Oxima commercial or what?

00:14:13.860 But seriously, I actually have a way normal life for a teenage girl.

00:14:18.040 I get up, I brush my teeth, and I pick out my school clothes.

00:14:21.580 Yeah, no, like, girly, girly, girly.

00:14:23.740 Because what strikes me is when I watched the video on which Short Fat Otaku is commenting,

00:14:29.860 I'm not thinking this is a tomboy actually at all.

00:14:34.120 Because she is very styled.

00:14:37.720 She is very feminine.

00:14:39.420 She has impeccable makeup and hair.

00:14:42.200 I am a tomboy compared to her in my appearance.

00:14:45.320 Most people are, because they don't look as gorgeous as she does.

00:14:49.240 So, because normally I associate tomboys with...

00:14:51.260 And she catches fish.

00:14:52.920 Oh, yeah.

00:14:53.880 Yeah, but isn't that...

00:14:55.940 What's also really...

00:14:56.620 It does make me think a lot about different early colonial American cultures as profiled

00:15:01.460 in Albion Seed, where the definition of optimal femininity did even range so much based on

00:15:10.380 just these small regions of England where different new colonial groups were coming from.

00:15:15.620 And the Scots-Irish totally wanted women like that. 0.91

00:15:19.500 That was the kind of woman she'd slaughter a cow and then she'd feed you tea and you'd be 1.00

00:15:23.260 freaked out if you came from another background. 0.70

00:15:25.320 Whereas in the South, if you're coming from the Cavaliers, you were expected to be in the

00:15:29.920 house and to be very prim and prissy.

00:15:32.060 But it's just so weird to me because she comes across as so feminine.

00:15:36.960 But this is what's really interesting to me, right?

00:15:39.340 Is you have moving into conservative circles because you come from a traditional American

00:15:44.460 conservative family.

00:15:45.320 Like your family, one of the traditional outdoors family.

00:15:48.900 Definitely more of the Scots-Irish.

00:15:50.160 Yeah, like that women hunt and shoot and go out. 1.00

00:15:54.300 These new conservatives are so detached and unmoored for traditional American values.

00:16:00.000 It's like you've never listened to a country song.

00:16:01.760 Yeah.

00:16:01.980 Like, and I think country music does a good job of capturing traditional American values.

00:16:05.720 Speaking of American values, the reason or one of the reasons, while I respect both cultural

00:16:11.940 positions, the position to favor prissy girls and the position to favor tomboys in terms of the 0.99

00:16:18.380 types of girls that you elevate as good catches for sons in your family. 1.00

00:16:23.520 One of the reasons I err towards the tomboy position is this attitude towards life makes

00:16:30.360 them much less focused on the internal politicking and fighting that you have within feminine women 1.00

00:16:38.400 groups, which leads to them being very petty and mean-spirited, like the woman who's attacking

00:16:44.560 her, and instead having a much higher moral character, work ethic, and view of the world,

00:16:51.320 which I think is something that you often see from Simone in these videos.

00:16:54.740 And you also see from this girl in her response.

00:16:57.100 Good morning, y'all.

00:16:58.480 I don't have a Twitter.

00:16:59.700 I did at one point, but my account got removed for whatever reason.

00:17:03.960 And she even got her Twitter account banned for posting naughty political opinions. 1.00

00:17:09.860 Based as hell.

00:17:12.040 And I just hadn't got around to making another account.

00:17:15.660 But apparently I'm trending on Twitter right now because some girl, hey Merle, some girl 0.94

00:17:21.380 said that my accent should be illegal.

00:17:24.200 Women shouldn't do manual labor. 1.00

00:17:25.760 Oh, what else did she say? 0.80

00:17:28.120 American women are basically men. 0.99

00:17:30.100 And she just said that I was not feminine.

00:17:33.840 And I would tell y'all this girl's name, but I can't remember it because I don't have a

00:17:39.060 clue who she is.

00:17:39.960 So that should tell you how relevant this person is.

00:17:42.660 But I just think it's hilarious because I grew up as the weird kid in high school who

00:17:48.100 hunted and fished too much because back then it wasn't cool for women to hunt or fish or 1.00

00:17:54.520 the whole country lifestyle.

00:17:55.900 And I'm so proud of all the women in the outdoors now who are making that more cool or popular.

00:18:02.560 So proud of us.

00:18:03.840 I think we're doing great.

00:18:05.240 But I've been helping dad build houses since I was 15.

00:18:08.960 When I was a senior in high school, I taught kids how to wield in ag class.

00:18:14.620 So I've done not manual labor.

00:18:17.920 When I think of manual labor, I think of what my dad does.

00:18:20.840 I'm nowhere near that.

00:18:22.120 I just help as much as I can and I try.

00:18:24.780 And it's fun.

00:18:25.860 And there's nothing wrong with that.

00:18:27.080 There's a lot of blue collar women out there who are also feminine. 1.00

00:18:29.620 And so I just think that you should embrace your own individuality.

00:18:34.420 You should be yourself.

00:18:36.140 And don't worry about what anybody else said because these folks talking about me and think

00:18:40.600 they're going to offend me, that ship sailed a long time ago.

00:18:44.580 I've been getting picked on my whole life.

00:18:46.520 I grew up around men.

00:18:47.620 So don't be scared to build your own box and don't try to fit in anybody else's.

00:18:52.700 Be your own person and you'll be happier in the long run because of that.

00:18:56.400 And don't worry about what anybody else has to say.

00:18:58.720 Hope y'all have a good one.

00:19:01.240 Appreciate y'all.

00:19:02.580 If you look at the women who are elevated in country songs, they are this tomboy character 1.00

00:19:09.780 of woman.

00:19:10.720 Yeah.

00:19:10.900 Brunswick, juicy Georgia peach with a thick southern girl, sexy swinging wall, brother,

00:19:16.640 she's on country.

00:19:20.020 Well, I ain't never been to Barbie Deltine.

00:19:25.280 No, I can't swig that sweet champagne.

00:19:28.280 I'd rather drink beer all night.

00:19:30.520 Some people look down on me, but I don't give a rip.

00:19:35.700 I stand there, put it in my own front yard with a baby on my hip.

00:19:40.340 Cause I'm in.

00:19:41.120 Victoria's Secret.

00:19:43.300 Well, their stuff's real nice. 0.97

00:19:46.300 Oh, but I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price. 0.97

00:19:51.420 It still looks sexy. 0.99

00:19:53.440 Oh, I was fishing.

00:19:55.160 He was wishing.

00:19:56.140 We were kissing.

00:19:57.160 I was eating better than a hornet in an old coat.

00:20:00.540 Can't have been down.

00:20:01.860 We don't get any better than this.

00:20:04.360 I said, yeah, I could. 0.84

00:20:07.020 Boy, if you would shut up and fish. 0.89

00:20:09.980 They are the woman who is a tough woman, who knows how to hunt, who knows how to get dirty, 1.00

00:20:16.900 who drinks beer instead of champagne, who kicks it.

00:20:20.560 No, it's something that is regularly sung about in country songs.

00:20:24.600 Yeah.

00:20:24.720 And people are like, women in country songs are not like Americana women. 0.96

00:20:28.440 No, you just judged Americana off of 1980s and 1990s Hollywood, which had no more your

00:20:38.460 best interests in Hollywood of today.

00:20:40.820 And you based your identity and what you thought womanhood was in America off of that.

00:20:47.280 Instead of understanding what I have always been told growing up in Texas is that some 0.92

00:20:52.640 people would sometimes be like, oh, you want a woman who's prissy or something like that. 1.00

00:20:55.500 The standard saying was strong mothers make strong sons. 0.85

00:20:59.780 Yeah.

00:21:00.220 And if you marry, and I'm talking genetically and culturally, if you marry a weak woman, 1.00

00:21:05.580 like if you are specifically sorting for weakness in your wife, then you are going to have

00:21:13.160 weak sons.

00:21:16.700 And it's just obvious when you think about it.

00:21:19.540 And this is one of these things is people misunderstand.

00:21:21.360 They think weakness means submissiveness.

00:21:27.060 Okay.

00:21:27.580 No, you can have a very strong woman. 1.00

00:21:30.360 The woman in that video.

00:21:31.880 Do you think that she's like the top in her relationships? 0.99

00:21:35.620 I guarantee you she is not.

00:21:38.740 Um, she is looking for a man who she respects, but she is not looking to top a man.

00:21:45.040 And this is true of Tom boys generally, because I slept around a lot when I was younger.

00:21:48.980 And when I did that, I slept with a lot of Tom boys, because that was my preference in

00:21:53.740 physical type.

00:21:54.820 Even like after Simone and I started dating, I was like, she had extremely long hair at 0.98

00:21:58.940 the time.

00:21:59.220 And I was like, ew, cut your hair short.

00:22:00.740 I don't like this.

00:22:01.560 And for a long time, she had short hair and she started to regrow it for a number of reasons.

00:22:06.120 But for a long time in a relationship, she had short hair.

00:22:07.800 Because Brian Kaplan said so.

00:22:10.260 Brian Kaplan.

00:22:10.980 Yeah.

00:22:11.060 He was like, oh, to target your conservative audience, you're going to need longer hair.

00:22:14.120 But what was I?

00:22:16.300 You liked Tom girls.

00:22:17.640 You've always liked Tom girls.

00:22:18.980 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:19.540 And Tom girls matter, because you don't want to marry a weak, submissive person. 1.00

00:22:24.000 You want to marry, basically, if you use yourself, see yourself as a male leader, for example,

00:22:29.640 you want to marry the equivalent of a very loyal soldier, but a soldier who fights and

00:22:34.740 who goes out there and backs you up on the battlefield.

00:22:37.140 You don't want to marry some kind of sniveling bureaucrat, because that's not going to breed 1.00

00:22:42.780 great warriors for you, right?

00:22:44.480 No, exactly.

00:22:45.400 And when I was sleeping, I don't think I ever met a tomboy who was dominant in bed.

00:22:51.120 It is actually very rare.

00:22:53.720 And I think that this is one of those things.

00:22:55.980 Also, one thing I will never get over, and I don't know if we should do a whole episode

00:22:59.160 on this, but I thought it was very funny.

00:23:00.960 In this diary entry, in this one episode, we were reading a diary of when Simone and I met.

00:23:04.860 And it ends with you saying, I guess we're entering a dom-sub relationship in which you

00:23:12.180 were the sub, but what you meant by that is a relationship where the male was the dominant

00:23:17.040 partner, and you as the female were the subordinate partner? 0.98

00:23:20.520 Yeah, but we live in a culture in which that must be recontextualized as a kink, because otherwise 1.00

00:23:25.720 it's weird and abhorrent.

00:23:27.880 It's not acceptable unless it's a kink, Malcolm, all right? 1.00

00:23:31.560 I can't have you actually be dominant over me. 0.95

00:23:34.080 It has to be for my sexual pleasure.

00:23:36.180 Yeah.

00:23:36.720 So I love if you recontextualize a traditional American marriage, you're like, listen, the 0.96

00:23:42.320 weird, dumb sub thing that they're doing. 0.84

00:23:45.020 What is this, like a 24-7 live-in sub thing? 0.99

00:23:47.720 Again, that's the only way to make it socially acceptable.

00:23:50.900 If it's just actually a hierarchy, then it's clearly abusive.

00:23:55.040 Have you heard of radical monogamy, the phenomenon?

00:23:58.020 God bless.

00:23:58.940 Yeah, it's sweet.

00:23:59.720 This is this new phenomenon, and I'll put up some articles about it, where it is people

00:24:04.040 basically in social context where the dominant relationship subtype is polyamorous, who have

00:24:09.140 intentionally chosen monogamy as a relationship format.

00:24:13.060 And it's the new rebellious thing for progressives to try.

00:24:19.020 It's the same, I think, to a great extent with tradwifery, is these are many, in many cases,

00:24:24.600 especially the ones who are performatively showing it off so much.

00:24:27.240 People who came from broadly progressive cultures where women were mostly expected to work and

00:24:33.000 have aggressive careers and get very educated.

00:24:35.420 They're making it this subversive thing when, in the end, it's just a thing.

00:24:40.860 Yeah, this is really interesting.

00:24:42.280 So Simone dressed like this. 1.00

00:24:44.560 We went to a conference that was supposed to be for, like, music, people who work in the

00:24:48.700 music industry.

00:24:49.500 Oh, and for those who are just listening, I'm wearing, like, 17th century-inspired stays over

00:24:54.340 chemise with a big, long skirt.

00:24:56.000 So I'm going feudal here with my dress.

00:24:57.980 Yeah, she's ultra-trad, medieval trad. 0.89

00:25:00.180 Ultra-trad.

00:25:00.800 And at the event, we often get stopped and asked, what religion are we, and stuff like

00:25:04.680 that.

00:25:04.900 Like, people who are religious extremists, which I guess we are.

00:25:08.120 But I'm heavily pregnant all the time when she's doing this. 1.00

00:25:11.000 But we were at this conference for music types.

00:25:13.860 And the people who kept complimenting you were these goth and, like, punk girls, because

00:25:19.300 they absolutely loved your stuff.

00:25:21.080 Because trad, ultra-trad, is a form of cultural subversion, which they could really appreciate

00:25:28.560 and saw as, like, this new, is trad cultural subversion.

00:25:32.300 So there's that whole element to this conversation, which I find very fascinating.

00:25:36.160 But I also find fascinating the things that are being criticized by the women who are criticizing 0.88

00:25:41.940 this woman.

00:25:43.000 They're like, if your woman was out there building houses, wouldn't you leave her? 1.00

00:25:50.120 What?

00:25:51.160 Do these women think their lack of industry and economic productivity is a virtue? 1.00

00:25:56.860 Yeah, isn't, sorry, isn't build me a house, like, the ultimate version of make me a sandwich?

00:26:02.100 Yeah.

00:26:03.580 Go in the woods and build me a house, woman. 1.00

00:26:05.980 Build me a house, woman. 1.00

00:26:07.560 Yes, exactly.

00:26:09.100 Go noodles.

00:26:09.580 It's interesting, though.

00:26:10.420 I did not expect you to come into this saying that, basically, tomboys were being attacked

00:26:14.640 from the political right and the political left. 1.00

00:26:16.840 But the more you're talking about this, the more I'm like, shit, they totally are. 0.98

00:26:20.800 Yeah, the right is defining femininity portions of the right, not all the right. 0.96

00:26:25.060 So it's important to remember that the right has adopted a lot of immigrant populations,

00:26:28.820 which is fine.

00:26:29.740 I appreciate that, right?

00:26:31.040 But we need to remember that Eastern European iterations of femininity and Muslim iterations

00:26:38.660 of femininity are not traditional American iterations of femininity.

00:26:43.540 And I am all for women like her. 1.00

00:26:45.880 These women who are like, oh, here's, I forgot what it was, Persian femininity or something 1.00

00:26:49.500 like that.

00:26:50.140 It's fine.

00:26:50.960 You want to show me your Muslim femininity? 1.00

00:26:52.980 I agree.

00:26:53.880 That is a traditional Muslim feminine mindset, which is this ultra, like, fragile, doesn't 1.00

00:27:01.500 have a job, stays at home all day, doesn't interact with their environment.

00:27:06.000 Fine.

00:27:06.400 That is, was in that cultural group, the iteration of femininity that is most lauded by the elite 0.57

00:27:13.260 in that society.

00:27:14.040 And I should note that I don't even think that this was the dominant strategy of femininity 0.92

00:27:18.760 was in most Muslim cultures.

00:27:20.540 It was just that their elites are, don't have a duty to act like mainstream members of society

00:27:26.040 in the same way that people of other cultural groups do.

00:27:28.660 So the femininity that the elite shahs and stuff had and stuff like that, that they would 0.99

00:27:33.800 have this ultra fragile porcelain women femininity, which is what she's aspiring to. 0.98

00:27:40.400 But I don't think that the average person living in these cultures, those women, 1.00

00:27:44.040 if you went to the rural town in these areas were probably actually pretty tough.

00:27:47.980 Here's a theory, though, in terms of that view of femininity, perhaps the porcelain

00:27:52.200 woman as a feminine ideal makes sense and could call harem cultures, where the majority 0.98

00:27:58.720 of society is broadly very subservient.

00:28:01.380 And then the small number of outlier men get all the women, rule all of society, but then 0.81

00:28:06.260 the rest are either like these eunuch style male bureaucrats who never pair off and never

00:28:10.820 marry, or they're very submissive women who are like, okay, with sharing resources amongst 1.00

00:28:16.520 many other women with one man.

00:28:19.360 Maybe that's what you're seeing reflected here.

00:28:21.420 Women don't enter the harem side, but even in harem culture, it's only a minority of women, 1.00

00:28:24.860 like 20% max, end up joining the harems. 0.99

00:28:28.220 Most are still in these rural family groups where they would likely be working and they

00:28:33.340 would likely be.

00:28:34.100 And when I talk about society, so an interesting thing about these communities is that the

00:28:39.720 elites in these societies do not need to act like the everyman.

00:28:43.640 But if you look at traditional Americana society, so George Bush is a good example of this.

00:28:48.760 And in the left, media used to always make fun of him going to his ranch and cutting brush.

00:28:53.380 They were like, why is he cutting brush on the ranch?

00:28:55.640 Because he's awesome.

00:28:57.260 I grew up in Texas.

00:28:58.540 I can tell you why.

00:28:59.520 I grew up in a quote unquote elite family in Texas, and I can tell you why he was cutting

00:29:03.920 brush.

00:29:04.500 Because within elite families in Texas, you are expected to do manual labor to show that

00:29:12.020 you don't think you're above the common man, because that is part of how status is judged,

00:29:18.120 the belief that you are not above the common man.

00:29:20.560 When you start acting above the common man-

00:29:22.640 You're part of this effete royalist culture.

00:29:24.600 Yeah, they'd say that you were like effete or acting French or European.

00:29:27.840 But they really would.

00:29:28.360 They'd be like, you're acting French right now or something.

00:29:30.380 Like, stop it.

00:29:31.500 It's seen as very like, or you're acting like the word that they would have used.

00:29:37.280 It's not an appropriate word anymore.

00:29:39.220 But like, why do you think you're better than other people?

00:29:42.200 Why do you think you don't, you shouldn't be doing manual labor?

00:29:44.740 You're being a bit of a-

00:29:45.700 But I, even if the words that they used, do not work, was in modern parlance, I can agree

00:29:51.320 and still feel the sentiment that they feel that to be truly elite from my cultural background,

00:29:57.480 you need to act like the common man, or you need to engage in some of the things that they're engaging in.

00:30:03.260 And you need to be able to, and my family, by the way, was very good.

00:30:08.120 Friends was the Bush family.

00:30:09.620 He was at my grandmother's funeral, actually.

00:30:12.060 So at my grandmother's funeral, he said he wanted to have a race because we were at the after party together.

00:30:16.720 And he wanted to race his, like, with one of his elders against one of my elders,

00:30:23.420 because they both had wheelchairs, which I absolutely love.

00:30:26.280 I know society, back before we realized how controlled the media was by the ultra far lefties,

00:30:32.560 I think a lot of people were convinced that he was actually a bad guy.

00:30:36.100 And he really isn't.

00:30:38.120 He may have had some bad advisors, but he is a genuinely sweet guy.

00:30:43.800 But anyway, I think that there is some utility to that.

00:30:46.300 And when I think about my own daughters, think about the pressure they're going to feel.

00:30:50.220 The right's going to say, you're not womanly enough. 1.00

00:30:52.620 And the left's going to say, because you're not womanly enough, you're a man. 0.97

00:30:55.880 Here, come to us and we'll affirm you.

00:30:57.500 Think about what this causes for Tom boys, which used to be 30% of women, 40% of women. 0.83

00:31:04.480 Really?

00:31:05.280 When they're growing up, I'd say it's at least 20%.

00:31:07.660 When we were growing up, girls who participated in boyish hobbies.

00:31:11.880 Here's what I think is different about the schools that I went to.

00:31:14.040 They were way more ethnically diverse.

00:31:16.660 And weirdly, tomboyism seemed to be...

00:31:20.920 It's a white thing?

00:31:22.540 It's not an Asian thing. 0.79

00:31:24.920 Yeah.

00:31:25.920 Yeah, so she was in San Francisco, which would have had a lot more Asian population.

00:31:30.120 You're right.

00:31:30.640 Yeah.

00:31:31.140 I've never seen an Asian tomboy.

00:31:34.040 I'm trying...

00:31:35.180 I certainly had friends that, like, they were not girly girls, but they weren't seen as tomboys.

00:31:39.020 Maybe there's just...

00:31:39.660 It's like a cultural perception thing.

00:31:41.060 This is actually really interesting, and we'll probably do a separate episode on this.

00:31:44.840 But if you look at MLP, My Little Pony, right?

00:31:47.000 The character who's clearly the tomboy is Applejack, right?

00:31:50.600 And I guess you could argue Rainbow Dash as well.

00:31:52.500 Oh, totally.

00:31:53.200 Come on.

00:31:54.020 But Applejack representing Americana is representing tomboyism.

00:31:58.440 That is...

00:31:59.620 And what I say we might do an episode on it is because I think that every character in that...

00:32:03.620 Or I might just lay out this theory here because it's interesting.

00:32:06.580 Every character on that represents an iteration of the ideal feminine from a different cultural group.

00:32:14.820 The sort of personality that an ideal wife would have within different cultural subsets. 0.99

00:32:21.280 And while Applejack represented the Americana cultural subset, Fluttershy represented the Muslim Eastern European cultural subset of the extreme level of submission. 1.00

00:32:31.120 Or the, if we're talking Colonial America, the Cavalier subset.

00:32:35.720 Yeah, and then you had the...

00:32:36.980 Rainbow Dash is the Puritan.

00:32:39.800 Sorry, no, it's Twilight Sparkle is the Pilgrim Puritan subset.

00:32:44.920 Yeah, the Twilight Sparkle would have been the Pilgrim sort of Calvinist subset, which is different.

00:32:49.780 Rural subset, which was the...

00:32:52.120 What were they called?

00:32:53.100 The ones who produced the Applejack and that were the lower class version. 0.94

00:32:57.320 And then you had the Pinkie Pie, and I've always seen Pinkie Pie as being very clearly Jewish coded. 0.93

00:33:02.820 I think she's the Jewish subset, absolutely.

00:33:05.500 The party crowd.

00:33:06.540 The gregarious...

00:33:07.900 Jews know how to party, that is true. 0.98

00:33:09.360 That is true.

00:33:09.820 They know how to have a good time.

00:33:10.540 Well, no, so the gregarious social type.

00:33:13.560 She's got curly hair. 0.99

00:33:15.080 She is ultra gregarious.

00:33:17.160 She is a comedian professionally.

00:33:19.960 Could you get more Jewish coded than that? 0.75

00:33:21.960 Whereas you or our culture, like both of our cultural backgrounds are a melding of the Calvinist and Backwoods people, which would be a melding of the Twilight slash Applejack cultural groups.

00:33:31.900 But it's interesting, and I think that that's part of why it caught on with so many guys, is it represented ideals of a femininity that they were not seeing in their world today.

00:33:41.880 And without sexualizing it in any way, shape, or form, just creating...

00:33:48.580 Because so often when the guys within these online cultures were engaging with femininity, they were engaging it in a sexualized context without just seeing it for the personality tropes that they felt were missing from their lives.

00:34:01.540 Who wouldn't want the country girl in their lives these days? 1.00

00:34:04.440 How many of you still know this girl?

00:34:06.100 I grew up around girls like that. 1.00

00:34:07.740 They used to be like a thing around me all the time, the country girls. 1.00

00:34:12.360 These rough and tumble country girls who would curse and play in the mud and like to fish and hunt. 1.00

00:34:18.720 Where did they go?

00:34:20.160 I don't know if they're in this next generation, right?

00:34:23.520 Can we raise one of those?

00:34:24.720 I bet they'd be pretty high value in the dating market these days.

00:34:28.040 Yeah, wow.

00:34:29.940 I think this is a short-lived pressure.

00:34:33.200 I think that tomboys are going to be just fine over the long run.

00:34:37.740 Because they're the ones who weren't castrated.

00:34:40.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:42.360 I guess it depends on how pervasive all this becomes in mainstream public and private schools.

00:34:49.420 I just don't know.

00:34:51.020 But yeah, that's scary.

00:34:53.040 Poor tomboys.

00:34:54.180 I wasn't a tomboy. 0.98

00:34:55.340 I was just an ugly girl. 0.85

00:34:56.960 I don't know how else to say it. 0.96

00:34:58.960 You were not...

00:35:00.120 You actually, okay, I've seen old pictures of you.

00:35:02.280 You were not the...

00:35:03.740 You were below the standards of most of the girls I slept with. 1.00

00:35:07.820 Oh, yeah.

00:35:08.080 And this isn't even just talking about the girls I dated.

00:35:10.060 And you were not exactly choosy in your early days either.

00:35:12.920 Let's be honest here.

00:35:13.980 So I'm just saying.

00:35:15.520 But I still wouldn't...

00:35:16.360 But I still feel bad for the tomboys.

00:35:18.000 ...after I got to talking with you.

00:35:19.920 I don't think so.

00:35:20.700 And I think you're super hot now.

00:35:22.600 Oh, thank you.

00:35:23.720 And you can thank your mother for teaching me how to use makeup a little bit.

00:35:27.160 Because that was...

00:35:27.860 I think it's mostly just confidence.

00:35:30.300 Yeah, you gave me confidence.

00:35:31.900 And your mother gave me...

00:35:33.320 Makeup.

00:35:33.880 ...years of insistent campaigning some styling advice.

00:35:38.000 So you all...

00:35:39.080 I love you.

00:35:39.600 ...did something.

00:35:40.240 And I love you too.

00:35:41.640 A lot of people trying to hop up on my new wave.

00:35:44.200 Everybody's celebrating Tomboy Tuesday.

00:35:46.560 Yes, it's Tomboy Tuesday.

00:35:47.280 Yes, it's Tomboy Tuesday.

00:35:49.000 Everybody's celebrating Tomboy Tuesday.

00:35:51.180 They see I've been popping.

00:35:52.120 Now they acting like they knew me. 0.99

00:35:53.580 I don't give a fuck because it's Tomboy Tuesday. 0.99

00:35:55.740 It's Tomboy Tuesday. 0.99

00:35:56.840 It's Tomboy Tuesday.

00:35:58.560 Everybody's celebrating Tomboy Tuesday.

00:36:01.060 Yeah, it's about that time.

00:36:02.820 My girl, but with me at the gym.

00:36:03.980 Is she about that grind? 1.00

00:36:05.140 She let me see her in a skirt once. 1.00

00:36:06.680 I bowed flat-lined.

00:36:07.580 And I bet everyone she knows is gonna doubt that line.

00:36:09.920 Because we know she ain't about to dress as the diamonds of PBS's. 0.99

00:36:12.440 Ain't none of that shit impressive. 0.98

00:36:13.700 It's oppressive of words. 0.99

00:36:14.820 Deceptive at best.

00:36:15.640 Makes her feel like a marionette.

00:36:17.100 She'd rather pull up in a hoodie in LeBron's.

00:36:19.160 Skipping rocks at the pond.

00:36:20.400 She's fond of Anaconda's.

00:36:21.520 Let her fond of mine.

00:36:22.500 She'd rather shotgun a beer than drink bottles of wine. 0.86

00:36:24.820 If nigga's scrapping, she'd put everything up on the line. 1.00

00:36:27.180 Me, no way, she'd slide up in the cut and leave them fossilized. 1.00

00:36:29.580 Hatsume, she with me in the lab.

00:36:30.960 We trying to find the tech.

00:36:32.000 Colin, if I tell her slide, she pulling up inside a mech.

00:36:34.320 She ain't even trying to flex.

00:36:35.560 Flesh or just a side effect?

00:36:36.720 Rebecca with the tech connected.

00:36:37.980 Cruising through the side effect.

00:36:39.020 That's why she got more energy than I do. 0.53

00:36:40.940 I might have to turn these, yeah, dudes into I-Dude. 1.00

00:36:43.660 Man, she bad and she bashful about it.

00:36:46.080 She ain't about the trans or the fans.

00:36:47.900 And she bad and like, got a lot of people trying to hop up on my new wave. 1.00

00:36:51.200 Everybody celebrating Tomboy Tuesday.

00:36:53.760 Yeah, Tomboy Tuesday.

00:36:54.480 Yeah, Tomboy Tuesday.

00:36:55.660 Yeah, everybody celebrating Tomboy Tuesday.

00:36:58.100 Woo! 0.99

00:36:58.220 Thank you.

Based Camp - April 09, 2024

The War on Tomboys： How Both the Right & the Left are Threatening a Beloved American Archetype

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