The Year Trans Was Invented (Gender Dysphoria Absent From the Historic Record)
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Summary
In this episode, we take a deeper dive into the topic of gender dysphoria. We discuss the history of cross-dressing, and why dysphoria is a modern cultural phenomenon rather than a cultural artifact. We also discuss the lack of evidence of dysphoria being recorded in human history.
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hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be going deeper
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down a rabbit hole that i have pulled on in the past but i was called back to it by an episode i
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watched of the rapidly declining in viewers a short fat otaku i think we now do better than
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him in terms of view count by probably like 20 percent which is pretty exciting because i used
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to really like him and his videos and he sort of got he actually represents a wider phenomenon that
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i wanted to grab onto on this topic because he in his recent video he was critical of leaflet's
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debate performance whereas almost everyone else says that she won dramatically i even had this
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moment where he's like i think she lost the trans debate she was having and i was like to go to an
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ai and be like is it general what's the general consensus on who won this debate and it's like
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overwhelmingly leaflet and then it went through all of the reasons it was overwhelmingly leaflet
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so i was like okay just checking yeah just so yeah to even override your your bias still
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but he said one thing that really got under my skin at the beginning because a trans person was
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saying to somebody who is in this debate that was happening on x you know we were here before you
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and we will be here after you and then his response that went viral was like this is true
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and and he then says trans people have been reported in human history since you know across
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cultures since the beginning of time and this is factually not true and i actually don't even
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really blame short fat otaku for not knowing this because he's not a historian yeah yeah well it's
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something that's not widely known and yet is claimed with a lot of confidence by the trans
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community and if you don't double check because you'll be broadly aware like if you're aware of
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history you will be aware that throughout human history and a lot of different cultural contexts
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where people will take on alternate gender roles where sometimes people cross-dress in history
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where people would act like a man or a female at different points in history the fall of rome
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joe rogan had this to say on his podcast fascinating that the end of empires they get
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really concerned with gender and hermaphrodites the roman femboy fully grown and willing to take
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on the role of a common roman woman even the emperor himself donned girly outfits mascara
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and held many chamber parties the roman senate began having debates to determine if quote being
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with a femme boy was a totally gay thing after all and so you take that and you then just are
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like yeah of course i've heard like three or four instances of that happening in history
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that i can just think of off the top of my head but that's not what the modern trans movement is
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And even the core complaint of the modern trans movement is gender dysphoria, this really, really intense discomfort with your birth gender to the extent that you may want to unalive yourself, right?
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Like, you cannot live a mentally healthy life as your birth gender.
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It is something that is constantly eating at you if you don't transition.
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This phenomenon literally nowhere in history before the year 1920.
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And you may want to say, well, Malcolm, that's pretty nitpicky. So you're saying that there have been alternate gender presentations throughout history, but there's never been dysphoria recorded in history. Why does that matter? Right? And it's like, well, if it turns out that dysphoria is a modern cultural phenomenon, if dysphoria is not actually part of the human condition, then most trans arguments immediately fall apart.
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the idea of i can't be mentally healthy without doing this because of what because of the distress
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i feel when i'm displaying my birth gender if you say well that distress is a cultural artifact
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and we're probably better off removing the cultural artifact than attempting to address it
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through major surgery that falls apart and if you can say well if the people in historia you know
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lived as other genders but didn't feel dysphoria then why'd they do it and it's like well we
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actually have a very good record most of the time it was either like a woman wanted to live as a
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father in like a church and like this sort of lifestyle or did she wanted to fight in a war
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and women weren't allowed to fight in wars during that period or she wanted to pursue a gay
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relationship and women weren't allowed to pursue gay relationships in that period or uh with guys
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it's often they were cross-dressers cross-dressing is something we see recorded throughout history
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even today to conflate somebody who is a cross-dresser with a trans person is extremely
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offensive to both the trans community and the community of cross-dressers they are not the
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same thing wanting to dress up and talk like a woman sometimes is not the same thing as being
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trans so if you say oh well in history we have cross-dressers but no trans people that's a
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significantly different thing that removes most of the motivation for like why we need to gender
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someone correctly gender dysphoria why do i need to use that restroom gender dysphoria why do i need
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to be on the sports team gender dysphoria but if we're looking to history and all we have is
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sometimes i like cross-dressing then it's why do i have to play on this girl's sports team
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because i like cross-dressing it's like oh no that's stupid no we can't let you on the sports
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team just because you like cross-dressing if gender dysphoria is a cultural artifact that is
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the center stone that the entire trans community relies on to demand they one be seen as their
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preferred gender and to gain access to safe spaces that would otherwise be referred for people who
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were born that gender and also just to head this off at the beginning of this we do not think that
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they are faking feeling gender dysphoria or the severity of the gender dysphoria they are they
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feel we suspect with a lot of evidence that we've gone over in other episodes that gender dysphoria
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is very similar to other forms of body dysphoria which are associated with culture-bound illnesses
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these are psychological conditions that only happen within certain cultures within certain
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periods of history and people are unable to catch unless they are aware of them with the most famous
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being anorexia and again you can see a lot of similarities age of onset around puberty gender
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distribution more girls than guys key characteristics hits autists more than the general population
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associated with intense body dysmorphia and simone as somebody who went through that and
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we're going to see this throughout this episode, can really empathize with how real this feels.
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But if it is a culture-bound illness, the way that we need to address it is entirely different
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than the way our society is addressing it right now if we actually care about the people who are
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suffering from it. And there are two maybe cases, but both of them are really bad. We'll go into
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them in a bit just to briefly touch on them one is a jewish rabbi from 600 years ago who wrote a
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poem about like wouldn't it have been better to be born a woman and we'll go through the poem and
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everything like this and just to sort of give give away the thing there it's that poem is considered
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within jewish thought for 600 years up until the year 2000 not a single scholar it's a very famous
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poem thought that it wasn't satirical in fact it was considered almost prototypical or an excellent
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example often used of jewish humor from that period so not a single scholar or rabbi for 600
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years thought it was anything other than a joke well even if it wasn't a joke though i i don't
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think that that could even necessarily be seen as gender as a joke it's sad no but even if it
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wasn't as someone could just be like well practically i'd rather be born a woman especially
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during a time of war if they're like i'd rather not die in a war what the poem was it wasn't like
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that it was a joke it was written in a book of jokes okay the other things in this book were
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mostly jokes okay it was satire it's not like a oh you could interpret this in various ways
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it's very clear what was intended by it the only other example we have in history is potentially
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gavala a roman emperor who based on one account asked the doctors if he could have a vagina
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sewn onto him to become a woman and he would dress up like women the problem is is that this
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one account was extremely hostile to him and all historians always like basically you know if you
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go back and you read the historian literature and we'll go into this a bit deeper i just want to set
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this up to begin with they agree and then this is the academic consensus that a lot of this was
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slanders made up about him about of people who didn't like him and even if you do bite the bullet
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on a gabala you are basically saying i could just go into this a little bit he's like one of the
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people in human history he would do things like cut off people's members and then feed them to
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snakes and birds and stuff like that as part of a religious ritual he made up he would give people
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positions based on the size of their members he was the one who had a fixation before the gladiatorial
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games releasing snakes on the crowd just to watch them freak out he liked to as a hobby throw gold
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at crowds so people would trample each other at one point he dropped so many flower petals on a
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party a bunch of people suffocated he was super gay very into you know having a gay main lover
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so the the reality is is even if you accept that this guy is trans and a historic example of it
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he is like that's your historic prototype of the modern trans community right which really
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leans into the trans stereotype that like freedom tunes has so three turfs are on a beach
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Are these women gonna get murdered by you?
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And the genie is me and I murder them all.
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Okay, do you see how that's just you murdering people again?
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i love cat boys no it was that trans comic which you know it's something you see we have our
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episodes where like you you do see disproportionate violence sexual arousal from from trans individuals
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and we go into why that might be the case you see this in a-list studies it's well studied in early
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trans communities but we're gonna go into those a little bit we're gonna go into all of the
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different cost cultural things that people say are trans because they're not you gotta understand
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what a big deal this is as a data point we're talking about literally all of recorded human
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history and you could be like well maybe they didn't write it down because it was societally
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looked down upon at the time and it's like doesn't work we have so many so many records of gay people
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throughout history we have so many records of other things that were taboo in society we have
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James Joyce talking about how he's turned on by farts not once did anyone think to say I don't
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like my birth gender right like they're they're willing to in a society that will kill you for
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doing it sleep with a guy and write long love poetry but never once write down in the private
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journal I'm just not happy with the gender I was born as that is a massive data point and keep in
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mind we don't even see an instance of this in cultures that accept people taking on roles that
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gender non-conforming. We don't see a single instance of this. So even where it isn't
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discriminated against, no one ever thought to once in human history until the 1920s put a pin to page
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and say, I'm not happy with my birth gender. And keep in mind how shocking this is when you
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contextualize it in the context of how much trans people say that dysphoria affects them in their
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daily lives how painful it is to them how top of mind it is for them in every single human
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interaction they have if anyone historically was feeling this of course somebody like keep in mind
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right now we're looking at like 1.5 percent of the population or something is trans you think nobody
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would have written that down ever ever ever that's completely implausible and i want to notice here
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with the agabala case here which is the strongest historical case we have of somebody feeling that
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way he never even actually says that he just seems to be debauchery maxing and thinking wouldn't it
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be cool if I had another sex hole right like that's literally what I'm reading from Agabala
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so with that being the case I think you you're really making quite an astonishing claim to say
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nobody thought to ever write this down nobody thought to ever write it in a private journal
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no one thought to ever have it in a private diary with everything we know about human history that
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is absolutely astonishing to me and to me it means with like like you think even accidentally
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somebody would have been even if even if dysphoria isn't a phenomenon somebody might just have like
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felt this way because they were abused in some sort of weird way that led to this you know a
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convergently looking outcome but no to not take this data seriously is to just not be taking
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reality seriously so that really annoyed me because i was like come on like dev i i and i
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think that dev's the type of person that if he just dug into the evidence on this he would stop
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making such an easily disprovable claim that something that looks like modern gender dysphoria
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existed anywhere else in history or in any other culture okay but the same thing he does which i
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think is even more fascinating is it's the entire perspective that he argues from which is he went
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up there and he's like no reasonable person believes that when you transition your gender
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you magically turn into a woman right and of course he was did they not tell him
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rattled on x with many comments getting like five x of the likes of his comment telling everyone
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how could he say this about trans people you know don't you know that trans people are actually
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women it was extremely aggressive i posted nobody reasonable actually thinks that trans women
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metamorphose into biological females the ask is not believe that men are women it's don't be an
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asshole you don't have to like trans people you do have to leave them alone and just so we're clear
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here i'm completely correct on this i might have received a lot of blowback but i'm not backing
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down from any of it i don't care how big of a horde of people showed up to complain they're all wrong
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and i'm right in fact there were two hordes of people the first horde was left-wing deranged
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trans activists who hopped in to say that hrt does in fact turn trans women into biological females
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and saying anything otherwise is transphobic in fact according to this crowd if you side with
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trans women on every reasonable policy prescription with regard to their individual liberties but you
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refuse to believe they become female then you're exactly the same as a bigoted right-winger trying
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to force them back into the closet these people are delusional um and this brings up the second
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thing i want to get into which is like the dev perspective the last 90s liberal out there right
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and a lot of us were 90s liberals whether it's jk rowling or us or any number of other people who
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have since updated their opinions on this even leaflet i think previously would have been you
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you know, pro-trans. And the reason we were pro-trans isn't dissimilar for the reasons that
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Dev is still arguing today. It was, we're like, well, no reasonable person would, if we try to
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give trans people more rights, start using women's restrooms, start, allow anyone to just say I'm a
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woman and get into a woman's prison, compete in women's sports. Like no reasonable person would
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do that so we can give the trans community these rights and they will self-police because they know
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that they'll lose these rights if they don't self-police around these issues right right yeah
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and what we all learned is we were wrong whoops it just wasn't the case there was this vision of
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just like just let people live their lives you know just let them live and it's fine and it will
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be fine and there was this assumption that you wouldn't really have bad actors in this great
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world because if someone went off the rails they'd be doing it in their own little controlled
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detonation box you know it wouldn't bother us it wouldn't affect other people we would never
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have fathomed that someone would be like no this means that i should be allowed to go into like as
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a man into women's prisons like we just never would have imagined that's crazy what we imagined
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is yes some random psycho may say something like that some random psycho may no one would listen
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to them yeah but the entire trans community wouldn't then get up in arms and support them
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and make their perv dreams an actual reality right like that that when it came out that
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something like you know we often point out that the trans swimmer who's who's super famous
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that she was flashing her genitals to girls in a girl's locker room where it is not even normal
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for girls to fully undress as we pointed out that's not normal in modern changing rooms and
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hasn't been for a long time and schools are even designed with this in mind these days so this is
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just like intentionally using this opportunity to flash people and then later a bunch of you know i
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don't want to get into all that but yeah it was clear that this was an individual who just wanted
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to flash people right that they didn't then turn on this individual we're like well obviously you're
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not going to be one of our leaders or archetypes of what it means to be trans but they did and this
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is when a lot of us who were just sort of i guess the normies out there we were like oh i'm sorry
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like we we gave you the knife to do a responsible thing with it and then you went out and started
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stabbing people right and death is interesting because he even sees in his own comments on x
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that the bad actors have control of the ship right like when you see somebody like camilla
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using public funds to do gender reassignment for people in prison you know tax dollars it could be
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going to homeless people to gender reassignment in prison you're like oh the people who are in
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control of the ship these people go with the extreme take the take that he said no reasonable
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person and most of the people who had this original like liberal perspective on this or
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libertarian perspective on this went for and so we've adopted our views the question is is why
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hasn't he and the answer is twofold and he basically gives it in the video answer number
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one is he thinks and a lot of people think that simply because if everyone was reasonable this
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giving them these rights and giving them these interpretations of gender would work we collectively
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culturally should do this okay and it's a really sad perspective because it's like
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yes i will i want to operate society as if everyone is sane and well-meaning
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when that's not the case right and so it's almost a weird sort of deontal liberal deontology right
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like what is moral is what you would do in a society where people don't act like people but
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that's what leads you to horrors like communism and stuff like that right like in a society where
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everyone was reasonable and responsible and had self-control communism works right but we don't
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live in that world and he commented on our last video first time i'm aware that he's commented on
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one of our videos where we mentioned that his his viewership has dropped because he is seen as sort
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of betraying the wider movement that we are all part of which has become the new right which
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drifted through internet culture and he's like well i never changed my views i never became a
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conservative i've always been a classical liberal i never was anti-trans and i'm just
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baffled but i'm not we're not criticizing you for changing your views we're criticizing you
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for not changing your views as new evidence came out right like we all had those views back then
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when i watched your videos when i loved your channel i had all the perspectives you had i
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was seeking truth i wanted a better world and i believed that you know oh well we give these people
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these additional rights and they will use them responsibly and society will work and then it's
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the same with things like immigration oh we can just take people from other countries bring them
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to our country and it'll work and they'll become just like us and then with both of these instances
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we're like oh okay well clearly this is not working or whatever one who was here because
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we were interested in what was reasonable is like oh well clearly this isn't working so now we need
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to address this i take much more pride in my views that i have changed than in my views that have
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stayed the same and i'm beginning to sort of wonder or realize was dev ever actually on that
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journey with us and this faction of people who say are like still classic 90s liberals or whatever
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did they ever really care about what was in the best interest of society or did they have like
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a religious belief in what was the most common cultural belief system of progressives in the
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nineties. And just as society has changed around them and certain things that we assumed were true
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back then have been proven untrue. They're just like, but I refuse to change any of my views
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because this is what was true in the nineties. This is what any reasonable person thought in
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the nineties that we can just have as many immigrants as we thought, which I thought I
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was pro unrestricted immigration back in the day okay because i looked at the economists research
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i looked at that and i was like oh this works and new evidence has come out we have tried it
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at scale it didn't work especially the uk or on trans issues where it's like okay we'll give you
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these rights and you will not use them to do things like go and aggressively try to convert
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minors like actively convert on fetish forms right like if somebody was doing that you try to shut
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that down right okay good and then oh shoot somebody's doing that you guys shut it down
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how dare you stop them trends of hope and you won't claim crazy things like you're actually
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biologically women and then he sees oh oh no the people running the ship are that that's concerning
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that's gonna cause negative effects for society and yet he's like but i'm religiously i will live
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in the 90s. No new information. You know, Travis Stock was never shot down. We never saw that they
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were hiding the files showing that putting people on poobity blockers was increasing the risk of
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wanting to unalive and decreasing their mental health. That this was wide scale throughout the
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trans industry we saw in the WPATH files. I never updated my beliefs after that. I only operate on
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90s research that was done largely by clinics that made their money off of gender transitioning
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people and i think that this is really sad that people like him they'll go cite the research and
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i'm like was that research done by researchers who made their living off of transitioning people
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okay do you understand how that might be compromised and we might need to look at
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other sources of evidence it's important and i feel like even if you disagree with us
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that you take time to understand that when it comes to the anti-trans position of the majority
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of the leading intellectuals who are anti-trans these days whether it's elon or jk rowling or us
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we do not come to this because we love tradition for the sake of tradition because we are attached
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to traditional gender roles because we want some old religious hierarchy in place if anything we're
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kind of on the opposite team we come to this because we wanted a better society and we got
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new information and it's the new information that must be dealt with not the oh you're just taking
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away our rights because you hate us obviously that's not true all of us had trans friends
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second he has friends close friends who are trans and are is this something he's mentioned
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explicitly or is this an assumption he mentions this repeatedly in the video this is and i can
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really understand if you have close friends who fall into a specific demographic that is in a
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systemic way acting bad right on a global stage you can be like i i really don't want this friend
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of mine to have to suffer they're a nice person right but the problem is is by taking the action
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that you are taking, many, many more people who are not your friend end up suffering much, much
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more, right? Whether it is the people who end up being assaulted, which happened just recently near
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us in Pennsylvania, the young trans girl who made a hit list of people in the school and they tried
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to do something about it, but she had this protected status. And so then she beat a girl
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and it's really horrible. And, you know, all the warning signs were there, but trans are the people
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who lose their medals. They're shot at college. They're shot at scholarships because of this.
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Or the kids who end up getting transitioned. And now we know from papers that one in 10 kids who
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only, if you look at 14-year-olds with a paper on this, it showed that only one in 10 who identifies
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as not their birth gender ends up still identifying as not their birth gender by the time they're,
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I think, 21 or 23. And we know that this increases unaliving rates by huge amounts if they end up
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adopting into this community we know that going on to like when the cast report thing broke down
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and the the it wasn't the cast report it was the travis.clink when it shut down it went through
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the files and they found the suppressed research it showed that going on puberty blockers increased
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unaliving risks we know now because puberty blockers have been blocked in the uk
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today that rates have not gone up. That is a huge sample size. We could have easily seen that if
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that was the case. It turns out that this entire thing was just wrong and a lie and people using
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captured scientific institutions to lie to people. And you can update your beliefs on this, right?
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Because the point I'm making is you are causing real harm because you don't want your friend to
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feel that i mean i think we can relate to it because we have friends who are non-binary not
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necessarily we've certainly met nice people i mean they're not friends anymore because of course
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you know i don't want to like there's a point where you have to go out there and but i mean
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for every trans friend that i've lost i've gained more detransitioner friends so like
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i the reality is is i'll tell you the harassment my detransitioner friends have faced
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from the trans community dwarfs in orders of magnitude i mean like 10 20 x anything any
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trans friend i have any face from from anyone that's true yeah and you know this as somebody
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who's had trans known trans people and detransitioners it's not even close like the
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trans community is like the very definition of bigotry in the way that they treat you
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pretty freaking bad yeah not good but well and this is this is how do i say to somebody you have
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to look at the larger picture right and be willing to be like i can still like this person as a
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person and say that we shouldn't harass like trans adults on the street we shouldn't treat
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them poorly but we need to understand that there is something deeply wrong with the community as
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it exists right now and just trying to be this like moral deontologist around like well if
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everyone was reasonable in society when it's been proven to you on your very platforms that that's
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not the case and i'm sort of writing this video almost as if i hope dev watches that i'm trying
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not to be too mean to him right like please like take a step back from this particular cliff
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you are not helping the wider trans community by not admitting that that we do actually need to
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start taking action on this issue um and it gets worse if it turns out that even your friend is
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suffering from something closer to a culturally bound illness which is what we'll be arguing with
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with this stuff before i get into that one final thing i wanted to note is an argument that i saw
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when i was doing some research on this to try to understand this for like women in you know trans
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people joining women's sports right trans males women's sports and a lot of people get tripped up
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on this argument because they'll say something like, well, Michael Phelps has like dramatically
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larger lungs. And like, that's for genetic reasons, right? You know, like, why is he allowed
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to compete? And yet a trans person who has some, like, because they had a male puberty, larger
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lungs or something like that, why are they not allowed to compete? Right. And I think when you
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actually think through it, the answer is fairly obvious. Suppose there was a surgery that you
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could get where gills were grafted onto you or you could genetically engineer some humans to be like
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triple muscled and be able to breathe basically underwater and blah blah blah blah would it be
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remotely fair or sporting to allow these people to compete in the men's competition no nobody would
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do that right like we in the enhanced games yes in normal competitions no no yes and there is a
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a version of the Olympics that's being built for this, right?
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like our performance enhancing drugs in the Olympics.
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This is the reason we banned EPO doping in the Olympics.
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This is the reason we banned many types of like even swimwear in the Olympics
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because it gives people too much of a scientific advantage
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If you then created a separate category for the gill people,
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it would make sense for trans men to compete in that category
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because they're using a surgery to gain an advantage over other people.
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okay yeah we used to see jokes about trans people competing in sports teams and being allowed in
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women's changing rooms as being fundamentally anti-trans because it was seen as so obviously
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an unfair thing to do come in jerry have a seat take off your bra if you'd like i need to talk
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see i have this problem i have a terrible secret well cindy we all have our little secrets
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sometimes we do things we're not so proud of to gain the athletic edge on the competition
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oh the other thing i note about not wanting to tell a friend like yeah but overall it's bad
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is i would ask i don't know if he does have any friends like this but
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I've also had friends who are Scientologists, right?
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And it made me very uncomfortable speaking negatively about the church, but the church
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And it is demonstrably a negative force in our society.
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So we've had Scientologists for whom, as far as we can tell on the outside, it's worked
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And you feel like, okay, well, this is good for you.
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I'm not going to question your choice to do this, but on average, I would not have anyone
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Yeah, well, and it makes sense to warn people about it, just as we warn people about gender transition at a young age, or normalizing this. And if I could put legal restrictions on the Church of Scientology, they'd be similar to church, I'd be like, I would want legal restrictions that reduce the number of people coming into the church, but I wouldn't want to punish people who are like genuine day-to-day believers.
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And I think that that's the way we should be approaching this. To the question, and this was the big question in Leafless Debate, it was the big question Dev focused his video on is, what is a woman? Like, how do you define the word woman?
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And I largely actually agree with the broader take on Dev's perspective on this. I keep saying Dev, that's a short fight otaku, it's like game, which is a woman is whatever a woman is culturally conceived to be by that particular cultural group.
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so from my cultural perspective that you know we have built for our family a woman is somebody who
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has the larger gametes and has children and are you like are you saying somebody is less of a
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woman if they can't have kids it's like well kind of the primary distinction between man and woman
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is made around what role they play in reproduction given that i think that reproduction is particularly
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core part of the human life cycle the role that somebody plays in terms of birthing and having
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kids yeah i i think that they are functionally is the 50 year old woman who is out there sleeping
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around with 50 guys and having fun because there was an old actress bragging about this being at
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least who's 50 and brett cooper was like what are you doing like and i was i felt the same way seeing
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this 50 year old like brag about this is she less of a woman than the 50 year old with three kids
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yeah she is okay i know that's an offensive thing to say in our society but culturally that is the
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way i see it in the same way that culturally trans people see it differently right and then you can
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say well if if culturally trans people see it differently then why don't you say okay you just
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do it culturally your way they do it culturally their way the reason it is because their cultural
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perception has numerous negative externalities on the people who adopt it, both in terms of
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psychological health, self-worth, and outcomes. And worse than that, it's a particularly predatory
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ideology, which is known for aggressively trying to find new converts in younger individuals,
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from setting up conversion pipelines in schools, which is something we've seen,
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explicitly trying to groom children which is something we have seen repeatedly and it's not
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just like the online i often play this clip from the giggly goon files i think it's quite good
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where you see in a forum people talking about oh i'm gonna hunt children right and it's something
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that they do regularly for sport it's genuinely really good grooming advice i've so far sent it
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to four minors between the ages of nine and 13 i hope it encourages them to transition when the
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onca zone animation became a meme they got excited over its virality among kids man and drain and
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Orion also fantasized about getting kids on hormones.
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Orion was the manager, coercing him every step of the way.
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I guess that's what you'd expect, just telling a retard to buy hormones.
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They bought estrogen, but no anti-androgen.
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It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at like 12.
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If you can trust me around your kid, it'd be transphobic not to.
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Their identity was little more than a political shield.
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And it's something that we have seen with even the Travis Doc Clinic.
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One of the doctors there was arrested for going to a local park and attempting to recruit kids.
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This is a repeated phenomenon within the trans community.
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And it's not punished by the wider trans community once it's caught.
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I just want to point out, this is ancillary to our first and maybe most fundamental philosophical gripe with trans ideology, which is that it violates consent in that to be trans isn't really so much an internal process as it is involving forcing people to externally do something against their will.
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They, they are obligated per your choice to see you and acknowledge you and refer to you by your gender of choice, even if that runs against their instincts and preferences and own philosophy, philosophy.
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so what our big thing is like with with most fundamental like 90s progressive live and let be
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like like approaches hey as long as everyone's consenting and and letting people live their
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lives it's fine but on a very fundamental level the modern version of what it means to be trans
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involves revoking people's consent because they are now obligated to exactly with them
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it's not about being allowed to live the way you want to live it is much closer to catholics
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all of a sudden deciding they're going to force everyone to call any priest father and if you
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don't call a priest father you get a giant online harassment campaign against you to try to get you
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to lose your job and potentially even legal ramifications i i call trans people their
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preferred gender i call priest father even though i don't think those things i think it's the polite
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thing to do but if catholics decided to attempt to force everyone else to do that i'd be like
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especially against other people's religious beliefs yeah just like how like when we went
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when we travel in in other regions where wearing a head covering is appropriate i'll wear a head
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covering you know like you know but that if someone's forcing me to do it that's a very
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different story yeah yeah well i mean you you do it in those other countries often because you are
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forced to do it they will kill you if you don't okay yeah that's and that is very much the way
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the trans community acts right like but i want to get and when i say they're like oh they won't
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kill you it's like well one look at all the mass murder trans stuff you can see our video on that
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like yeah they actually will and there have the look at the charlie kirk situation right like yeah
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yeah they kind of actually will but two they will try to get you like the online mob will try to get
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you fired from your job and stuff like that which we've already had happen to us and when you have
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five kids or something like that that's taking away the family's lifeblood you know that is not
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a trivial thing to attempt to do. And it shows that even from Deb's perspective, even he can see
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it. The community is owned. The culture is now owned by bad actors. And by running cover for
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them, you are allowing countless amounts of harm on innocent people. But now I want to go into the
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different cultures that have ideas that trans people claim shows that the trans phenomenon
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is not something that was basically made up in germany in the 1920s the nazis took it down
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then we don't see a single case of it for like a long time then there was one viral news story
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about a trans person and then the phenomenon explodes and this is very similar to anorexia
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which is another culture-bound illness that disproportionately targets autistic people
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is associated with body dysmorphia and we have seen things like a viral story happening in hong
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kong and then it explodes where we don't have any records of it in the united states it exploded
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after a few viral stories this appears to be a category of culture-bound illness that includes
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intense susceptibility by autists involves body dysmorphia intense discomfort with who you are
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it's something that like we even like simone suffered intense autism and almost died for i'm
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sorry intense anorexia and almost died of it right like she understands what it feels like to have
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body dysmorphia right oh yeah that doesn't mean that she believes that it isn't a culture-bound
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illness right Simone yeah I know it's crazy no but I'm saying do you believe that it's a culture-bound
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illness like do you believe that just because you felt it strongly doesn't mean that it does
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it must exist in other cultures oh no yeah it's culture-bound I it's not like I was trying to
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conform to some kind of culture that I don't think it was a cultural contagion thing I think anorexia
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is actually pretty universal so maybe it's a bad example i'm giving you too autistic of an answer
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is about control simone this is a well-studied phenomenon anorexia does not exist in any other
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human culture at any point in human history it has been very widely studied yeah there was no
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come on there's all the so before it was called anorexia it was like oh she's fasting for religious
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purposes and there were all these girls like you would have no sorry when anorexia starts being
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first described in the literature people with it look shocking to people okay it is noted as
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nothing like anything any of these doctors have seen it did not look like fasting for religious
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purposes it did not look like being a quirky girl when you were skeletal Simone you wouldn't have
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been described in the Victorian times as quirky people would have described you as skeletal
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well yeah i'm just saying i think i actually think this is really good because you have
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experienced basically exactly what modern trans people experience and you show why it's so hard
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for them to accept that it really was just their culture and if they had been unaware of the concept
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of gender transition if you had been unaware of the concept of anorexia you would not have
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expressed your autism in that way maybe yeah no no for sure like behaviors are typically learned
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and you can't really learn a behavior if you've never seen it before you can learn a behavior by
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the way you haven't seen before same-sex attraction for example same-sex attraction exists across
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cultures that is very different from anorexia and this conversation is so fascinating because
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You're seeing in Simone's eyes, in the way she's relating with this, she apparently was unaware that anorexia is the poster child of culture-bound illnesses.
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And it's very hard for her to accept that this body dysmorphia that she felt was downstream of her own culture.
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So people are aware with how this works in anorexia.
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Basically, anorexia, like a big news story is what happened in an area.
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Well, and the same happens with unscheduled life ending.
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But this is different because when it happens with anorexia, there will not have been a
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single medically documented case of this for like 300 years.
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The other most famous culture-bound illness is multiple personality disorder, which does
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You see a movie about it or a story about it, and then a bunch of people start expressing
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but we don't we don't have really robust but i think so just sorry not like just in my defense
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i think cutting is a good example of something similar to anorexia where it's like a shirt like
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these things are new you know but like you had people religiously self-harming well before
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cutting became a trend that emerged in high schools and someone in the victoria era would
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find to be yeah but cutting i am aware of a lot of self-harm rituals historically yeah it's not
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analogous because we are aware of self-harm rituals historically we are not aware of something like
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anorexia historically we are aware of fasting but fasting in the way it happens with anorexia
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and i think you're being so perplexed by this shows how trans people must feel right when the
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evidence is so against something that felt very intuitive to you. It felt like an intuitive way
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to act when it was, was in your cultural landscape. And this appears to be one of the effects
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of autism. No, no, come on. There, there were spoonies in the Regency era. There were spoonies
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in there, but there were not anorexic. Yes, there were. No, I mean, okay. Simone, we have to like,
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definitely there were no there were definitely women especially women though i mean sometimes
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men too have been recreationally and by their own choice choosing to restrict their calories
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or burn more for example cc um the the empress known as cc was 100 definitely anorexic and
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famously would eat just like broth and worked out in a weird-ass gym that everyone thought was insane
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and maintained very small size she was one cc emperor cc like she was an austrian empress
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she was very famous she's definitely existed before the modern concept of anorexia she was
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100 anorexic and and even more because i think that you actually i think you're i know i know
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that you're wrong and i mean i also get your point though that like social contagion is a real thing
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and it's also very hard to see it when it's happening and you want to believe that what
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you're doing let's pull this up because you don't you're acting like a trans person right now you
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are scared about being proven wrong because you are doing what trans people do i'm so happy to
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just lose arguments but i just i know that i'm right take a step back here okay i will explain
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how your argument actually shows the mental gymnastics that trans people do okay okay okay
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i point out that anorexia this becomes absolutely skeletal not general calorie restrictions not
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being quirky in how you eat not fasting so just in case to give this away no princess cc looked
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nothing like the phenomenon we call anorexia today this happened after two of her children died
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she went into a period of intense depression and not depression like we talk about it when we talk
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about oh there's a lot of comorbidity between anorexia and depression no that's teen girl
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stuff we're talking about one day her daughter died and then for the next three weeks she didn't
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eat and then she built a habit of almost never eating after that that that is not like modern
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anorexia one of them died by unaliving it was later in her life she went into intense fasting
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because of her children's deaths this is not what anorexia looks like this isn't a teen girl
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deciding to become super skinny right or obsess over calorie restriction this is a mom who lost
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two of her kids in quick succession going through some sort of like a psychological break to even
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compare the two is kind of horrifying in the same way as we'll go over the trans stuff a lot of the
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people who trans people will be like oh that's a trans community and it's like well actually this
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is the community that has their genitals cut off so they look like girls so they can be sold for
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sex work that's not like it's kind of horrifying that you would call that a trans community in the
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same way that it is horrifying that simone would correlate this woman's experiences with hers
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anorexia becoming horrifyingly skeletal and freakish looking to outsiders was not a phenomenon
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that was recorded in history and you hear calorie restriction in the same way that when I say
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gender dysphoria is not a phenomenon that was recorded in history and trans people here
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identifying as a different gender their brain intentionally twists what they're hearing into
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something else so they don't have to face the reality that they succumb to a cultural trend
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but I am going to look this up because okay you might be right Simone
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you this empress sisi do you know how long she lived how long did she well like all her kids
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died and she lived way too long she probably should have died young okay so you've already
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disproven your points when you just said all her kids died if she had had anorexia that was like
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modern anorexia she would not have been able to conceive children in the first place two she
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lived until she was 60 and did not die from thinness so clearly not like modern anorexia
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i'm a functional anorexic and i'm probably not going to die from my thinness you would have
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died at the weight you were when you were a kid your body shut down and you still do not produce
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eggs naturally because of your thinness you were well worse than anything emperor cc reached in her
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life and i want to point out that emperor cc was the best random example that somebody was deep
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historical knowledge like simone was able to think of and simone is a random effing person
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who hannah had orexia and it's not even a big person for her personality or how she sees herself
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she had something so bad that she can never produce eggs again and princess cc regularly
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had children the idea that you could compare these two and be like oh this is a good example
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from history borders on the comical and i'd point out as you're seeing here there are many pictures
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of her from the period she is claimed to be at her skinniest and she does not look like an anorexic
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at all and this is really important it's really important because what we can see is this
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desperation to not have been influenced by culture to have some historical precedent to have this be
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part of the human condition to want to say no somewhere else in history someone else did this
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and when reality does not conform with this to begin to filter all of the information that's
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hitting her like obviously simone is a smart intelligent like well-read thoughtful woman
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and this psychological break of realizing no one ever did this before like the 1950s
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this psychological break of being like and it's the same with her she's like oh but there were
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people who practiced calorie restriction in the past therefore there were anorexics in the past
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no there were people who presented as different genders at specific parts of history therefore
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there were people with gender dysphoria that mirrored modern transness no and recognizing this
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is necessary for us to make the right logical choices for society okay three we have lots of
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paintings of her that i am now looking at and they look nothing like a modern case of anorexia
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you want to look up look up pictures of her you're vindictive you're so cute there are lots of even
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photos of her photos so you know they didn't fake i know yeah she doesn't look like uh like a like
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commit how do i say committed diehard anorexic no but you're actually fascinating here because
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you have a condition and you went through a condition analogous to transness a culture
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around illness that desperately tries to seek for validation in history i was not just following a
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cultural and you basically crashed out trying because you hear something similar in history
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and then your brain shaves off the edges of how it wasn't actually like what you went through
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because if you're dealing with an analogous mental disease culture-bound disease it can
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help you see it from their position better i don't feel like i'm missing their perspective
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i think you and i've been as empathetic as we can be to the trans cause it's just that
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I guess, similarly to anorexia, we're like, Hey, this isn't healthy. This doesn't produce good
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outcomes. Maybe there are better ways. That's not the point I'm making here. Okay. The wider
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point I'm making here is this is a phenomenon that started in the 1920s, not popular in the 1950s,
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and literally is no, in no other culturally nowhere else in human history. Okay. It is not
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a part of the human condition. It is a cultural phenomenon. All right. And that doesn't mean that
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they don't feel it as strongly as you felt anorexia or my family members who have had anorexia
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have felt anorexia okay so to continue here because now i'll go over the various instances
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but even you can't fully like admit like oh my god this is not something we see in other cultures
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and follows a very specific pattern within autistic populations and you grab at things
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that look kind of like it and we'll go on how trans communities so let's start with two-spirit
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people because you hear this a lot yeah well but also like i never heard about we did so much in
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terms of native american studies in my californian public schools never heard about two-spirit people
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so that that's like a new thing well because you know when the term how two-spirit people were
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invented and i think a lot of people in this community are like genuinely unaware that this
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is where this concept came from no tell me myra larini a fisher river creek nation counselor
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in 2021 stated that the phrase came to her in a dream slash vision during the summer
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1980 yes while she was at a protest in the dream she was in a teepee with her indigenous mother
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on a hunger strike seven spirits appeared shifting between male and female forms two of them declared
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her niece manawagi in whatever i can't pronounce that she shared this vision at a conference
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in a sharing circle of about 80 indigenous lgbt plus people across north america after sharing
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this it was formally opposed and quickly adopted at the third annual intertribal native first
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forums gay and lesbian american conference this took place in 1990 we don't have any historical
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examples of anything like this existing not not in in in like some some people want to say well
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native american cultures have a huge degree of cultural diversity and it's like despite that
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huge degree of diversity we don't have anything that looks like any good record of anything that
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looks like a two-spirit person have i just been gaslit then i could have sworn i've either read
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articles or listened to podcasts about how like there were two-spirit people and the the two like
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in at least some tribes and these two-spirit people are kind of seen as like
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spiritual leaders in the tribe like we do not have okay so someone just
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What we do have evidence of do you have Spanish records of native
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which they were very aghast at and some native Americans in these same
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and take on the role of a female in their community.
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There's a lot of these examples that people call trans
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in Western culture back to the beginning of time.
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and a desire to change your gender yeah yeah that does not describe gender dysphoria
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it may describe gender euphoria and desperately grasping with examples for anorexia would be like
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yes a lot of people talk about two-spirit it must be i still don't know i didn't even identify as an
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anorexic at the time the next example we have are the hijra from south asia india pakistan and
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Bangladesh. These are individuals that for young males who due to poverty have been ejected by
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their families, end up joining all male communities that undergo a practice where they are castrated
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for two things. One is the communities make their money predominantly for two things. One
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is a religious ceremony that you can only do if you've been castrated. And then two,
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the bigger source of income is prostitution so basically it's a way for extremely in these
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societies who are forced to go into sex work to get more clients by appearing more feminine
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and then make some money on the side with a specific religious role for individuals like this
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are not super accepting they are like this is not like a super celebrated role in these indian
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communities either, by the way. It is actually kind of ghoulish that these people are called
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trans or, you know, the West specifically pushes on them this concept of trans because they're,
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they're really child victims often. And on top of that, they identify as a third gender,
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not men or women they they do not have gender dysphoria so much that they have no interest in
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other people identifying them with the opposite gender so you cannot claim that this is something
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analogous to the trans phenomenon okay next the fafaim in the manner of a woman are natal males
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who naturally exhibit feminine traits or behavior they are not considered women by society they do
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not want to be considered women by society, and they are mostly effeminate men who enter same-sex
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relationships with men. Again, we would call this twinks in today's society. Nobody would confuse
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this with a trans individual. However, where transness has entered these cultures, some of
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these individuals have decided to adopt Fafaim as a name, and now they say, oh, and this always was
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trans, but that's not what we see in the historic literature, okay? The Muxay, Zappo culture in
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Mexico. So they're biological males who adopt the presentation and roles, often women's work.
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They have cultural acceptance and family integration, but they are not seen as women.
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They are seen as a distinct third gender. And they are mostly effeminate men in same-sex
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relations with other men we also do not have any good records of this existing pre-spanish
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colonization some people will say that we like answer like in terms of the actual evidence we
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don't we do not just because that was when it was first documented like in records that we still
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have because so many records were like burned and stuff if memory serves when europeans first
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it could be that this is a modern phenomenon another good example of a modern phenomenon
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that is put as an older phenomenon are the kathay are the lady boys of thailand and the balaka
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and this is a group that people most identify as like a really good example of a true third gender
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oh okay but is this not just another case of of men who are impoverished doing what they can to
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make money well we'll get into that but but a lot of people in these cultures do gender transition
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today and do act as prostitutes and identify as trans by the way this also happened in like
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middle ages europe if you for example were to look for sex workers you find some women but
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you would also find a lot of men masquerading as women yes but that is not like an asian thing or
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like mexican thing it's it's a it's a people want to make money thing need to make money need to not
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die thing so how how far back did this goes we have one early record potentially of this a chinese
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explorer zon danong who noted androgynous cross-dressing males kumer but specifically he
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notes them as a part of the sex industry they were sex workers it was a way to get clients by
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taking on this effeminate role well i guess it should be noted that that many men male to female
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trans individuals in like working within modern woke culture who would like sort of identify as
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like the modern new trendy of of trans are sex workers like that's kind of that that's more of
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a through line than gender dysphoria for sure so we actually and i'm going deeper on this one
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because this one is is one where you see people who identify as trans and as members of this
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community and it's the only one where you see this the problem is is we don't have any good
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records of this community existing before the 1900s at least in the regions where they are
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predominant today they appear to be a a holistically modern phenomenon and if they
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have any ancient roots it's as a type of sex worker which is very different from and if people
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are like well a lot of trans people are forced into sex work don't you know that and it's like
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yeah but it's the directionality these are people who are impoverished realize men want to sleep
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with things that look like women and will pay to so they change their body to look that way
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they are not people who change their body to look that way and as such go impoverished right
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more because i i want to be exhaustive here we have the golly these are self-castrating male
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devotees who wore women's clothes makeup and performs ecstatic rituals romans did not these
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were not treated as a normal part of roman society romans called them half men they were regularly
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mocked in roman society so first of all and two they were a religious cult and they were seen as
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a religious cult right this is this is not i think anything close to what we would consider
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trans today and certainly not close to what we would consider societal acceptance or some
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alternate role or some evidence of gender dysphoria in history. They look much more like, and so do
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many of these other groups, much more like castratos than modern trans individuals. People
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are not familiar with castratos. The only reason trans individuals don't claim castratos as trans
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is because everybody knows castratos weren't trans. Castratos were young boys who were often
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forced to be castrated so that they could keep a high singing voice through nobles. That is
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not trans that is a child victim yeah now a final one and i think that this one really shows how
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bad faith people are who attempt to bastardize and steal these other cultural traditions
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to normalize their own struggles right is the sworn virgins this is in the balkans especially
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in the albanian region and these are biological females who adopt a lifelong virginity and adopt
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male roles, dress roles, rights, et cetera. The problem is, is that we have no records of anyone
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ever doing this because they feel they're in the wrong body. Okay. Why do women do this in
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Balkans tradition? Because women can't own property in the Balkans tradition. And so women
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do this so that they can own property or be the heir of the family or escape an arranged marriage
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they don't want to do we have plenty of records of that and so let's go into the jewish play
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the guy's name is kaliumas ben kalamus at no time in history he wrote in 1286 to 1328 in provence
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france and at no point from then into the year 2000 did anyone think this poem was about something
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other than a joke okay and it was a joke that had meaning to people the idea how did you say
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province so that people can understand why this would have been funny to jewish people of the
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time while also sharing a brief message it's a joke about wanting something absurd and not
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accepting the way that you're born it's literally an inversion of the concept of transness
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uh woe to me my mother that you ever bore a son what a great loss and no gain curse be the one
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who announced my name to my father it's a boy the messenger shall be had guilty of bloodshed
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cursed be he woe to him who has male sons upon them a heavy yoke has been placed of restrictions
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and constraints some in private some in public now remember this guy's an orthodox jew so he's
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not talking about minor constraints here it can be very difficult to be a jewish man but of course
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he's writing all of this with the knowledge of like what would have made this funny this line
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funny right and explicitly shows that he's telling a joke here is any orthodox jew would be aware
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that yes being a male as an orthodox jew means you have a huge number of constraints
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in your daily life in how you live in how you interact with the world but obviously women have
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even more constraints than you they are a different set of constraints but they are surely greater
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than those that you are under and so he's saying this is a joke like i'm not even considering
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what it would be like to really be a woman i just don't like being me right and yet the first few
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lines of this and i'm cutting out the stuff that doesn't affirm a trans interpretation of this
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just to make it even more so you can see how they see it because there's some of this it's just
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fluff talking about other stuff really sounds like a modern day trans person so a modern trans person
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reads that and then doesn't get the orthodox jewish context that makes this a joke in the
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second part um sever statues and awesome commandment 613 our father in heaven if you hear
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he's talking about all the rules he has to follow if only you turn me from male to female if only
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the craftsman who created me would have made me a decent woman i may today have been a woman wise
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and smart spinning with her hands and perhaps i would be skilled enough in spinning and i would
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say how lucky am i and then the poem ends with an inversion of a jewish blessing basically saying
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like a satanic curse almost you could think of from the perspective of like blessed are you oh
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lord for has not made me a woman you can think of this as like if you said like all men but an
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inversion of this now keep in mind this is an orthodox jew he does not mean to blaspheme god
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right he is saying that all of these ideas would represent an inversion of the natural order
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right that's that's what makes the joke funny okay and he and again when he's complaining about
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being a man his primary complaint about being a man even though at one point he does refer to his
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genitals as like a defect or a blemish the primary complaint is all the rules that he has to follow
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and yet women have more rules and not getting to make his money spinning and yet spinning is a
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harder thing than what he, a rabbi, would have to do, which is education. Now, if we look at what
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people historically thought of this, we've got Joseph Koster in 1900. He wrote, quote-unquote,
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a masterpiece of Hebrew satire that passes in review, quote, all of the social positions of
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which men are proud of and argues that they are a vanity, end quote. He then notes of the entire
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work that this guy did, and it's a very long work. He said this was one of the most humorous parts.
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right so this was not like a maybe this was satire maybe it wasn't it was seen as clearly
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satire until after transness existed as a phenomenon now when we're talking about the
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roman empire that i was talking about we can go to cassius dio a roman senator and historian who
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was a near contemporary of agavala he lived through the reign and was politically affected
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by it he recorded this in roman history book 80 the thing about him wanting to actually change
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his gender however we've also already gone through all of the other horrible things that this guy did
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that could have been exaggerations i mean you could just say okay they're exaggerating about
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him to make him look bad because he killed a bunch of people which he did and he did a lot
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of blasphemous stuff he tried to change roman religion to a new religion so people really
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really really hated him but either you accept that the only real trans individual we have in history
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is one of history's greatest monsters or we accept that a guy that tried to change the religion of
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rome had a lot of people with the motivation to make stuff up about him to make him look bad
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and talking about bad emperors within roman tradition as a historian as being effeminate
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because they would often do this it was like shorthand for and this is how you know he was bad
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and and and not acting with with good action yeah sort of common like i guess maybe the modern
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analogy of like well he had an affair with or like molested one of his aides but this is just
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the roman version of it yeah right there's kind of like a common ring of truth to it i mean there
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were plenty of emperors who had their you know stable of male lovers oh this guy had this guy
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had such a stale of male lovers he was well known for he opened the bass to the roman public so that
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he could walk around the baths and look at people and then he even had specialized servants that
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would go to the baths like every day or something and look for whichever men were the most well
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endowed and bring them back to him oh god bless he doesn't just like jillen maxwell yeah that's
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great he was sort of a debauchery maxer like that was his core thing seemed to be maximized
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debauchery as streamly as you can if you see our life episode maybe this is a a true
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convergent example of maybe something like the life of Anna Valens, right? But to continue,
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when did transness appear if we don't see it at any point in human history or in any other culture?
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The first thing that we can see that looks anything like modern transness
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was Heichfeld's lab in around 1910. So, okay, a bit before the 1920s, where he had 17 detailed
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cases and this was in Germany and then the Nazis came in and they burned down all this stuff
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and after this as far as I'm aware there is not a single known case of a trans individual until
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1952 after the Christine Jorgensen media explosion so the name sounds familiar should I know it
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yes she was a media phenomenon born George Jorgensen 26 year old American ex-GI underwent
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sometimes referred to as XGI becomes blonde bombshell
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that went around in all the tabloids and everything like that.
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Well, the point is that the news acted like it was both pulled off
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uh the guy who is seen was re benjamin the the next guy to build a a lab harry benjamin this
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was he he built a lab in the i want to say oh yes his landmark book came out the transsexual
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phenomenon in 1966 so almost 10 years after the christine jorgensen case and he said to christine
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jorgensen this is a guy who wrote the book on this who started the first lab not bad yeah it
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passes pretty well yeah so i can see how that individual made this look glamorous enough to a
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lot of people who are looking to reinvent themselves who are looking for a sense of control like you
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i also want to point out that this case really shows that america is not culturally reflexively
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anti-trans i haven't been able to find a single newspaper article on this case that was negative
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it's all stuff like nature's error forces girl to live as boy or xgi blonde bombshell beauty
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people only became anti-trans you take that jk rowling or something like that after interacting
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with the trans community and the way that they decided to use these particular privileges that
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were granted to them so this is what the guy who literally started the lab that all of the modern
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trans movement grew out of well him and joe money they worked alongside each other i'm trying not to
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treat this negatively but joe money was operating at the same time if you're unfamiliar with his
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story he took children lied about them being able to change their gender by raising them as another
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gender forced them to sleep with each other in front of them lied that they now adopted the new
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gender that they had gone into one of them unalived themselves he hid that then he started a clinic
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that did this to thousands of other children ruining their lives really a genuinely psychopathic
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human being like one of history's greatest villains but if we say okay he's not the source
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of the trans movement this benjamin guy is right well what benjamin said was indeed christine
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without you probably none of this would have come to happen so what he's saying is in all of his
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interviews everybody cites her as the reason they decided to transition and then that snowballed
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to a wider phenomenon. Now this Christine person, did they genuinely have gender dysphoria? They
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might've had some super rare something or another, but when you consider, and you look at society
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today and you're seeing like 1.5% of people identify this way, what we can say is that is
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not something you see in history. It's a modern phenomenon. And this is very important because
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if it's a modern phenomenon and this very high unaliving rate this very high ideation rate that
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you see with this this very high depression rate you see with this are tied to this personal way
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of dealing with specific i might even say autistic urges let's say it's some version of like
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psychological urge that certain peoples get around body dysmorphia it turns out that the correct way
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to mitigate the harm from this is to tone down exposure to people. That means exposure in the
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school systems. That means exposure through speakers. I know it's sad, but the harm, and
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as Simone 100% believed, I am not influenced by culture when I'm doing severe calorie restriction.
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This is a totally me thing. It's not because I saw somebody else do it. When you have whatever
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this condition is, and I think that it is the same condition, when you have whatever this condition
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is, you are particularly resistant towards accepting this fact. And this is why I tried to
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bring all this evidence together in this episode, along with somebody who suffered an analogous
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condition, so that people who are suffering this can maybe just get enough evidence all at once
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that they can break through and finally get to the other side and be like oh my god this is really
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not part of the natural human condition and as strong as it feels to me it's not real and it is
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a it is hurting me to engage with it in this way and anybody who's heard me or seen my history or
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goes through my history of comments they know i am not approaching it like this because i am bigoted
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against trans people, right? Like I don't, I'm not like angry at trans people over anything. I
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have no reason to like dislike trans people at a personal level. I have had trans friends. I was in
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the GSA as a kid, right? I fought for when, when I had a significantly smaller platform, but I fought
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for trans people being accepted in society before I knew how people were going to end up using this
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as a weapon to hurt women. Okay. Second. And when I say as a weapon to hurt women, if you're
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unfamiliar with how this is happening just broadly lay this out for you you know in school if you
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grew up before this happened how there was that kid who was a complete sex pest and like liked i
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remember at my school there was a kid who was famous for being caught masturbating outside the
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women's dorms while eating fried chicken just like a beast kid by the way too just like
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lovingly sex pest who doesn't respect other people's boundaries do you not think that if
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you told him hey if you say you identify as a woman you won't be punished in the same way
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that he wouldn't take advantage of that yeah i mean it's a no-brainer of course he's crazy not
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to yeah you're giving these sorts of sex pests this tool okay and it is unfortunate that the
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people who get caught up in this like autistic version of it that simone had are dragged down
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because of this or that they can't well it'd probably be better if they didn't have their
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their toy anyway because it still seems to hurt them as well it seems to not be the best way
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it seems to be telling somebody with anorexia to identify as an anorexic
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and obviously that's not a good thing to do that's going to make the pro-ana movement it's
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like we normalize pro-ana people don't know that's the movement that is trying to normalize
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and glamorize anorexia and like we shouldn't be shamed for this and we should you know be who we
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are and it would be fine like and obviously i'm the type of person if you could take a pill and
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just become a woman whatever right if it didn't have all these negative effects i wouldn't care
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i'm not out here because like from a christian perspective i don't think they should be doing
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this i'm not out here because some trans person tried to ruin my life or cancel me or something
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like this i'm not out here because i was personally harassed by a trans person or something you care
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about human flourishing and when you see that there's something that just clearly is nerfing
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people at best and at worst destroying and ending their lives in horrible ways you want to speak up
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about it yeah i'm i'm out here because the preponderance of evidence that we have access to
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now unfortunately does not make it look as if and like we have evidence at the level of an entire
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country now banning puberty blockers at the level of the uk that's that's like the the the quality
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of a study at that level is enormous like that can't be fake that can't be edged we just know
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that people are not unaliving themselves because they're not able to get access to this and now
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that we know that we have to say okay we need to start rethinking all of this and that's
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unfortunate and people can be like yeah i just i hope that dev comes to the light on this because
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in the past i really respected him as an intellectual and i know that right now he's
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sort of going through a hard time with his followers because he's been kind of ideologically
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captured by a certain friend group is is my guess that he's not able to see that like new evidence
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is out there now right like when in the episode he said something like and we know that this is
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the best solution to lower like unaliving rates for people who have this and it's like actually
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That's been broadly disproven at this point, both from the country level source, us finding
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out that mainstream trans clinics were hiding information at the Travis.Kyle case and the
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WPaths file release and the studies that have been used to argue this being very poorly
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conducted and by hugely ideologically captured institutions.
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We have one episode where we go through all these studies and the ones that people are
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always citing they were done by a clinic that made its primary source of income by helping
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people gender transition like come on dev you're not stupid you must be able to see that a country
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level data set at the level of the uk is a better source of data than a clinic that makes its income
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off of this and is dependent on it continuing to happen and like joe money would have to admit that
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they were monsters and hurt a ton of children because they couldn't admit this earlier and i
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think that we argued that's why he didn't but anyway thoughts simone i think this is it's
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interesting and it's important and i don't know i mean my general take is in the past
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people were able to express various forms of what people can now refer to as gender like either the
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way they want to bang other people or get themselves off or dress or style themselves
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or relate to other people like they just dealt with it and they didn't force other people to
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conform with it and this new version whatever it is is is most uniquely different to me
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and that it does and i agree that pretending that this thing has been around forever is
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inaccurate at best and i i also had no idea the extent to which we've been gaslit about it
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like that there are people right like yeah because that was just i don't know i
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i i've become a lot more incredulous but i still figured like i don't know that kind of
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makes sense i guess well there's a lot of american native american tribes out there presumably at
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least one had a dedicated third gender role that was more similar to transness than similar to
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being a gay twink yeah it just seems so screwed up that people would make that up it it yeah anyway
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so this this has been enlightening and i appreciate your looking into it what was what's cooler or
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you know more whatever you want to think of but more pathetic is the secondary thing they decided
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to add to this made-up role which is and they were treated as spiritual guides for their communities
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right yes and they were in some way like spiritually mystically and morally superior
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yeah yeah like you see the narcissism on display there right you know um and then they invent
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importance to it they can't just say oh it was an alternate role in the society right um and keep
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in mind for most of these other societies that we have access to when they were trans they like when
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they fed this it wasn't trans in almost no society do you have trans of all the ones who
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normally it's a third gender and normally it's a discriminated third gender so it's it's just
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you need to break this for the people who are trying to be and i want to believe that dev
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is genuinely trying to be intellectually honest
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and that if he just had access to all of the information,
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I even think most sane trans people would.
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oh like my excessive exercising and calorie restriction was in response to a social trend
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that i was surrounded by whereas i feel like i had a very different experience but like
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i so i should be i should be saying that whereas i don't i don't feel that way so
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this is such a good case for this i know i know so i'm maybe people in the comments can explain
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this to me but this is what's very important about this phenomenon yeah yeah if it happens to you
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and you're not one of these just sex pests who's using it for cover it doesn't feel like you caught
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a social phenomenon it feels like a decision you made for yourself and an obsession i didn't
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actively choose to do it i kept doing it because it made me feel a little better but i mean yeah
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presumably that's a tool for control but i feel like what's what happened with trans stuff in
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schools especially with young women who are transitioning was this did happen with friend
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clusters i didn't have friends who did this so right and that might be a completely separate
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phenomenon my my guess trans community is predominantly four groups one group has this
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form of dysphoria that you had they do not need a lot of priming to begin to exhibit
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transness they yeah no that that one makes sense we're like you feel dysphoria you hate your body
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and then someone mentions like oh maybe you have this you can take this pill and make it all stop
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and that is very appealing and that would be the version of trans that i fell into
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would have fallen into then there's the other groups that are like well all your friends are
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doing it and so in the similar way that like cutting spread or that that that i i'd flesh
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out this secondary category a bit more than just all your friends are doing it um you're going
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through puberty you feel uncomfortable with your body you're going through a lot of changes you
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don't like and somebody says there is an out and and there's a culture that will affirm you and
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tell you that you know your your body is good that you are good that you should be accepted and they
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will never criticize you as long as you go along with them and this can be very appealing and you
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even hear some people like zizian the head the guy who founded the trans murder cult zizian said that
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he went through gender transition because he was afraid of going through puberty.
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So I think that this is like a cluster of ideas here.
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It's a bit of a cultural contagion and a bit of a good, like, mimetic virus.
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And for these people, they are partially aware that, you know, it was in part influenced
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And I would put the version of trans that's more like anorexia.
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It's probably the truest form of trans there is.
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disagree because no no i think that's very different because that's um that's not a desire
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to be the different gender that's feeling in general like a general body dysmorphia and then
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falling into a common solution that's presented to people who show body dysmorphia like you know
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because now there's this preponderance of people who are like oh you're trans whereas before it
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would always be something else like oh you just need to power through it or like i don't know
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talk to god more you know like people used to give other solutions so i don't actually see them as
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trans i think there's a different group of people that falls into the culture and and believes in
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it for that reason maybe also they're goaded on by it the other two groups in the trans community
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other than the ones who have something analogous to anorexia then there's the ones who have
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something that is, you know, the, the, the, you'll have a community that will accept you.
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You're going through puberty. You're uncomfortable with your body. And, and here's how you both get
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social acceptance and are comfortable with your body. It's one simple trick. And then the next
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group, cause I'm going to say there's four core groups here. These are the groups, this group,
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I would just call the sex pests. These are the people who realize that they can use this to
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gain access to women's faces. And when people are like, no trans person does this. And then I ask
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you okay i let's say no real trans person does this do you think a cis person a cis male would
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have such low morals and such a voracious sexual appetite that they would do it of course they're
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like well of course some cis males would do and like well those cis males are now using the trans
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identity right you can say oh cis males are terrible but they're using your identity to do
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this the the guy jacking off outside the girl's dorm or the guy you know this seems to very clearly
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be the case of it was leah thomas was the swimmer right who kept flashing cable in the restroom
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and then there was a bunch of weird porn stuff with her when that was all leaked by the way you're
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not familiar with this leah thomas had a secret instagram account where they would frequently
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like posts and images that were explicitly tied to agp related content eg content that suggested
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that trans people are only trans people because they were turned on by acting like women and it
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makes it very clear that leah thomas was agp this was a sexual fetish for them and this is not some
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outsider accusing them of this this is them saying yeah that's why i'm doing this that's what turns
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me on like when i advocated for trans rights back in the day i assumed i was not just advocating for
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the rights of flashers who wanted to violate women's autonomy violate women's consent and so
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when i saw somebody very clearly doing this and the trans community not being like oh that person
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isn't us that person doesn't stand for us but instead doubling down no that is what we're
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fighting for i was like oh i've been used i was a patsy and i think that there's a point where
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somebody like dev needs to be like am i being used to protect flashers who want to violate
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women's autonomy and then there was the and no this was before she went through her surgery right
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like this she just appears to have been a sex pest and and and these are the people who in
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prison are like ah i'm trans now because they get access to the women's prison and then they
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rape a bunch of women and this has happened multiple times you know and and everybody must
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realize that this is like an actual like the most problematic group and then the final group which
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is like okay almost as problematic as that group is these are predominantly men but sometimes also
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women who seem to get aroused by convincing other people to transition it's a power fetish for them
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we've seen this in the trans maxing community is very clearly partially about this we've seen this
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in the giggling goon files we've seen this in some other parts of the trans community and i loop them
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in with the other people i guess it's a separate category of this the the afabs or whatever who
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have some sort of fetish tied to this but it's not about converting other people and then this
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that's this other part it's this very aggressive and predatory part of the community that that is
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specifically about i and keep in mind people are like why would somebody want this well if you look
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at their own writings talking about it because there have been they're like dude like if i can
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convince a young boy to get on puberty blockers, I get like a prepubescent child for like the next
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10 years. You know, like these people are truly debauched, but this is what they say in their
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private message boards, right? And I mean, it makes sense, right? Like they found a way to make
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PDA fileness legal. And keep in mind that individuals like this, you know, have,
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well we won't we won't get into the harvey milk situation but there's too many cans of worms here
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yeah all right any thoughts on short fat otaku dev leaflet the debate anything
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leaflet can do nothing wrong in my view i she just she comes at everything from both
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a place of intelligence but also humility i i yeah it would be shocking to me that
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no that's what the ai review of her debate kept saying it was like throughout the debate it is
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noted that she appeared very kind and understanding and wanting to like understand their perspective
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and that i'm so respectful yeah even when she like goes over other streams she like waits for the
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the the person's sentence to stop before commenting she's just so kind was that leaflet
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was overly conciliatory and didn't want to interrupt the person so they kept ranting at
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various points oh yeah that yeah that that would that's a very leaflet yeah because she's she has
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courtesy oh my gosh no one knows how to do i don't know how to do that anymore i interrupt you all
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the time i'm terribly rude i'm really sorry about that anyway i love you love you too and yeah
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do you want though have we no yeah we did it once we did oh god never again never again
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a lot of the people i want i sure you're surprised by the people who are like
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like ai is not gonna work like it's literally erasing so many jobs right now yeah like what
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do you think is happening right now i think some people were like oh the unit economics don't work
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out like that the energy is not gonna work well you know we're gonna blow up the data centers
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like all these things there are answers for these things i don't yeah automated drone swarms
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costs less than you and your entire army that wants to blow up automated drone swarms if people
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literally one hotel night in your average united states hotel costs less than you if we're talking
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about the rate of a hit per by like a mexican it's like 250 dollars to unless the price has
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gone up to kill someone you want to hire someone in mexico to do it but maybe those are the in
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mexico rates not the in united states rates i haven't you know i haven't checked recently
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gotta get back on that market other people being like well you know with this kind of wealth
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divide like there just won't be anyone left to buy anything but then i think a lot of people
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don't realize that already now half of consumer spending is being made by the top 10 percent of
01:35:17.300
earners like yeah we're already we're already mostly there there's a reason why disneyland
01:35:23.840
is becoming insanely expensive it's because they've given up on normal people and they're
01:35:30.360
just charging a ton of money to the really wealthy people who are still spending tons of money
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get food stores get used to rice and beans at least rice and beans is so freaking good i think
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you don't like rice and beans i love rice and beans yeah i was i was i i just am so shocked
01:36:07.560
by the people who are like, AI can't do human work. And I'm like, I literally have already
01:36:11.140
fired multiple teams because AI has replaced them. Well, I mean, to, to be fair, there are
01:36:17.460
some things where, you know, we're still hiring specialists to deal with plumbing problems and.
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Oh yeah. Yeah. There are some things in regards to people who are like, well, AI can't do
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human motor control work really well, like walking around and stuff like that, that,
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that is true and the main reason is that i talk about this in the comments it's because we're
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approaching it wrong if you know but also like are you aware of what's going on with optimus
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like entire tesla factories have been repurposed to building these these humanoid robots that
01:36:49.900
actually are pretty dexterous it's just that they're not on the right but more broadly the
01:36:54.160
problem that we have here and the problem that ai experts have here is i have explained in other
01:36:58.840
videos that the human brain, particularly the cerebral cortex, appears to operate like a
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collection of token predictors. And there's a lot of research on this. You can watch our episodes
01:37:08.380
where we go over all that research. But what's really important to note is if the AIs we are
01:37:13.220
using today arrived in an architectural convergence with our cerebral cortex, which it appears they
01:37:20.460
had, they are naturally going to be bad at fine movement. Because that is not handled by our
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cerebral cortex. That is handled by our cerebellum, which is one, a completely separate organ
01:37:34.680
practically, and two, architecturally entirely different. So what we're likely going to want to
01:37:42.000
do for AI movement-related stuff is either hard-coded direct pathways that ideas are sent
01:37:50.560
from the cerebral cortex-like collection of token predictors to these and then carried out
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automatically which will likely be drawing from the works of companies like boston dynamics and
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stuff like that yeah well i mean also just keep in mind like just like tex here for example like
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his motor control even our kids you know like there any parent who's gone through the process
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of teaching a kid or helping a kid develop fine motor control like pull the pen or you know type
01:38:17.020
on a keyboard or draw will understand that even for someone who has all the parts built in really
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well, it takes a long time to figure that out. Yeah. Another thing is, I think people really
01:38:28.800
miss the ball on this. They're dismissing open AI as just a text model or a text prediction model,
01:38:36.060
which shows a fundamental misunderstanding of like how larger AI systems work. So if you're
01:38:42.440
talking about agents, you know, these are things that can do emails, do phone calls, do coding,
01:38:48.540
everything like that. Like all of the advanced stuff, generate images when they want to generate
01:38:52.980
video when they want to the core of their thought is always a text-based model the the text-based
01:39:02.260
ai models are always the core brain of an ai because they are the least expensive way to send
01:39:10.080
large amounts of information into the future of the ai basically and so this idea of oh that's
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just a text like what whatever it's just a text model it's like what are you talking about like
01:39:20.680
it's it's like you you see a company trying to get in the the cutting edge of of cars and think
01:39:27.400
that cars are going to change the way that transportation works and you go they just make
01:39:30.920
engines what did it's just a simple engine like all of the fancy stuff in your ferrari
01:39:37.600
is downstream from the engine right everything an agent does is downstream from that simple text
01:39:45.600
model but anyway this is a fun into this episode that's gonna attract some normal right-wing bait
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right all right i'll get started on this yeah because tomorrow's leaflet oh people don't know
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i will be on leaflet's show tomorrow but you're gonna run a different episode this morning
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tomorrow yeah i'm gonna put this into the different episode are you gonna oh okay
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yeah i'm going to be on leaflet show tomorrow at you mean today yay today at 7 p.m i think
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we're going to start so you're going to get me at a completely different different time zone
01:40:24.480
which will be fun we'll see how that goes but i'm i'm looking for it'll be my first time doing like
01:40:29.820
live streaming was like a of somebody's fan base interacting and i don't know how i feel about that
01:40:37.400
i'm a little worried you did it a little bit when you had that debate with that guy yeah but i didn't
01:40:44.780
have time to be reading the stream i do it when we go on ed ed dutton's show he does it but like
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i don't care what ed dutton's audience they they're just too different from our audience in
01:40:54.200
my mind like ah so you're nervous about this one because you actually respect her audience
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and that's the yeah like ed dutton's comment section was full of people trying to determine
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if you were a jew or not by your nose shape right like i'm like her audience isn't going to be
01:41:09.280
that sophomoric yeah i don't think so no i imagine they're pretty cool
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so they're not that i don't like it done i i like him i like it's content we love him
01:41:21.740
it's just it's attract um a certain like like he's he's he's less we're we're pretty big on
01:41:29.600
our show about being like if you're just like a generic racist we don't want you here no like
01:41:34.340
the jew comments are very much like our our kids for example like their go-to is poop jokes
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titan's a poopy head toastie's a poopy head they use our alexa smart devices to say poop poop poop
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poop it's all poop jokes and it's very reductive and it's just their go-to and it's like they're
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inside this is i'm joking language yeah and i feel like jew comments online are like that is
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like the adult version of poop jokes where they're just like jews jews jews jew jew no you're wrong
01:42:03.560
really there are people who make jokes like that and for a while jokes like that have become common
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but now there's this genuine community online that's just like my personality is i hate jews
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and i'm a generic racist right like some people are poly some people and if you and if you
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constantly signal on your show yeah this is not for that audience so like he does really high
01:42:26.420
quality content he just doesn't also regularly be like oh and if you just hate on jews i think
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you're stupid right like obviously jews have problems which we've talked about in detail
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but there's a difference between saying that and just being like like complete crash out mode you
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know yeah which i think is hard for people because for example i think one of our top performing
01:42:48.400
videos is like the jewish iq myth one and of course the people who freaking hate jews were
01:42:56.220
like, oh, this is gold. And then they were like, so betrayed. And then we lost all those subscribers.
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And then they were like, oh, they don't hate Israel. What's wrong with them? So, you know,
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you can't win. Well, I mean, I think you can win. I think this is actually something I was talking
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to you about today, but like we hold really weird religious beliefs that I think if they came out
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later or we came to them later in our streaming career, it would have been very disqualifying of
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us in conservative intellectual spaces yeah but we led with them and we've been very consistent
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and logical about them in a way that i don't think people find them particularly off-putting
01:43:33.340
in the same way that because it's very interesting that that like in our episode recently about dev
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slash short fat otaku versus what's her name oh shuan head shuan head shuan head that the right
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loves shoe on head and has mostly turned against short fat otaku and short fat otaku has moved
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or stayed on the left in areas that seem odd to us but the shoe on it is fundamentally much more
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of a leftist than he is and yet she's forgiven for and he's not i think it's because she started
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with these the positions that she has that are discordant and she focuses on them from a logical
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perspective yeah i think you're right anyway love you to testimony the comments on today
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of the shoe on head video were fun yeah i'm glad that that a lot of people like shoe on head
01:44:28.000
it seems like a lot of people really like what they call 90s era democrats yeah well i mean
01:44:34.360
that's that's the white house now what like elon rfk trump jd vance who do you think these people
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are right like this is our party now okay yeah yeah i don't know as i pointed out the the purity
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the the faction on the right that's like oh we need to focus on like purity culture we need to
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focus on extracting everything we need to focus on all acting the same way i i point this out i'll
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keep pointing out they ideologically have much closer with the leftist aligned islamists than
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they have with any faction that holds power on the right and they don't really have a place in
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the modern right and do have a place in the modern left and they found it yeah right like
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they regularly sit down and talk with Islamists right like they they have a side and a place that
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already accepts them there's like not even a reason even from an and and people like well
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you couldn't get their votes and it's like unlikely right like they're not a very they
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they put out insane demands that like would hurt us prevent our party from winning but the left
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doesn't have any cost to meeting the demands right because the left actually have to follow
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through with the things it says or promises yeah nor do they need to be coherent or cross achievable
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well yeah because you can just keep blaming when you have an external locus of control
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themed party you could always blame someone else for things not working out and never take
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personal responsibility and what's so interesting about the Trump administration right now is
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taking personal responsibility for very controversial things very unpopular things
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and not blaming other people not being like well so-and-so made me do it or think you know this is
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you know it's just like no I'm gonna do this I'm sorry it's a little bit tough it's gonna be a
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little bit tough for a little bit longer this is gonna be worth it in the long run even if you
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don't think so i don't care because i think this is the best and it's a very different kind of