Based Camp - Tract 6： Why we believe in a TechnoPuritan God

00:00:00.000 this is a track that was actually supposed to be track three but i delayed it because i was like

00:00:04.120 oh this is one of the crazier ones because this is the things we believe you've got to imagine

00:00:09.660 like you as a viewer when you're like why did he really believe this stuff i thought i had made all

00:00:14.100 of this up okay i like imagine you made up this theology and then you find it in an old book in

00:00:21.140 your house and then on top of that the book made a bunch of predictions and they all came true

00:00:26.820 like this may not convince you but it convinces me the traits that they're making fun of them for

00:00:32.600 are traits i want to re-establish within our civilization and i think that we are lesser

00:00:37.440 for having lost and the puritan vision of this utopian city on a hill i think it's something

00:00:42.800 that we can bring back you know combine the victorian scientists it was this endless hope

00:00:50.380 for the future with strict puritan ideals and aesthetics would you like to know more

00:00:56.820 hello simone today we are going back to the tract series this tract is called tract six

00:01:04.680 humanity's manifest destiny slash why we choose to believe in god so recently we were at this

00:01:10.780 conference called manifest and largely speaking i had decided not to do the tracks anymore they were

00:01:17.500 taking up a lot of time they require a lot more editing than a standard episode and for people who

00:01:21.980 don't know what they are it's us talking about our religious framework why we believe the things we

00:01:27.520 believe what we believe theologically and sharing this with you not with the interest in converting

00:01:32.760 anyone but just so you can get an idea of well i think for a lot of people it's just interesting like

00:01:37.680 theological speculation they find interesting and when we were at this conference every single person

00:01:44.800 like every one of our fans and we met a lot of them there i'd say like 50 of them it was like a lot

00:01:49.080 wanted us to do more tracks like that was the core thing do more tracks why did you stop the tracks

00:01:53.920 but it's not just them for example a quote that from a letter we got from one of the fans i've been

00:02:00.180 listening to the tracked episodes of the pod and i've heard you both make statements suggesting that

00:02:04.900 there may be exceptionally boring too far out etc in light of that i wanted to express clear and

00:02:10.260 emphatic encouragement of you presenting these episodes so much of your content has been engaging and

00:02:15.740 actionable to a degree i basically never encountered in a podcast let alone one that

00:02:20.580 publishes daily and yet i find the tracked episodes to be valuable and penetrating at a

00:02:25.740 totally different level i say penetrating because as someone who recently tried to rejoin

00:02:30.640 the christian congregation via catholicism and found the experience uninspiring what you're

00:02:36.580 presenting strikes me as something that advances my own view of religion in a way that does feel

00:02:41.700 inspiring and prescriptive for this moment in history whereas the modern state iterations of

00:02:47.260 antiquity traditions do not in any case please keep up these efforts i suspect there are many among your

00:02:53.580 listeners who value these episodes in the utmost so that really meant a lot to me and i understand that

00:02:59.760 the tracks are going to be uniquely grading to individuals who have really strong christian faith

00:03:06.400 via catholicism or orthodoxy or something like that because uh what we are putting out there is an

00:03:12.260 alternate view now i will say as we think about this more a few things that i would note here i no

00:03:17.340 longer really think about this as a new religion but rather an iteration of christianity maybe you

00:03:23.500 could say christianity the judeo-christian branch of religions that is probably as distant from

00:03:29.940 christianity as something like mormonism and interestingly some mormons don't think

00:03:34.460 differentiates from mormonism that much but that we do throw out some books that they would keep and

00:03:39.800 add some books that they would not keep but i'm going to go over like books that we throw out at

00:03:44.280 the end of this examples would be like the book of revelations i do not think is inspired by god i

00:03:49.820 don't think kabbalah is inspired by god we'll go into like why we have these weird views but there is

00:03:54.780 an additional book that we add to everything which is the martyrdom of man and actually really

00:04:00.060 interestingly paul vander clay he was going through our videos and he was pointing out that

00:04:06.600 people who start new sex or new religions are so very likely to fail but how often do people try

00:04:15.060 and those people who try how many of them are doing it not just to create a sex cult or get people to

00:04:22.480 worship them specifically or make money but to try to make other people's lives better this is a

00:04:29.020 the type of a project that you really see people trying once in a generation if that now there are

00:04:37.000 a few people trying it right now with the mystic path but that's also really interesting because

00:04:41.700 normally when people try this they do it down the mystic path sorry when people don't know what i'm

00:04:46.320 talking about when i talk about the mystic path i'm talking about mystic perennialism meaning that they

00:04:50.240 believe that there is some truth to all religious traditions that there is some super true substrate that

00:04:55.420 reality is written on and this super true substrate that we can only access through altered states of

00:05:00.860 mind is the real god and our goal is to rejoin we do not believe that don't have any antagonism really

00:05:07.440 against people who do but it's just we don't but most of the let's try to make people's lives better

00:05:12.760 what they really mean by that is let's try to make people's mental states more expansive like it's

00:05:18.640 make them better in the mystical theological sense instead of the way that we mean when we say make

00:05:24.620 them better which is to make them more mentally disciplined to make them more mentally healthy like

00:05:30.060 to not have the same amounts of anxiety and depression everything like that and to give them a

00:05:33.880 sense of purpose and to help them build a good sense of moral values and to help them through this

00:05:40.360 unique challenge that our species is going through right now and i did finally settle on a name for the

00:05:44.840 religion that i'm excited about before i start the track here which is techno puritanism

00:05:52.140 and another really interesting thing is this idea of founding this new sect when i really don't think

00:05:58.900 we did found it it's a bit like saying darwin founded evolution when he had the idea a lot of

00:06:03.800 people were having very similar ideas during that time period and what i've noticed when i put these

00:06:08.320 videos out there is when they connect with people it's people who are saying oh yeah i had a

00:06:14.820 lot of ideas like this i just maybe hadn't fully systematized them in the way that you did or

00:06:18.980 something like that i do not think um that this is unique information or that i have any direct path

00:06:25.160 to to what's true and what's not true yeah i think it cannot be understated how often people write

00:06:31.540 into us saying it's so exciting to see that someone else has articulated the same conclusions that i have

00:06:38.880 drawn based on and this is typically people who come from a more protestant background or looking at the

00:06:44.000 primary sources the people who tend to find these tracks most grating like malcolm said and who tend

00:06:48.340 to find also these views most defensive are from people whose cultures involve a sort of filter and

00:06:54.540 between the primary source and the ultimate faith priests or analysis or some kind of organization

00:07:01.740 yeah the final thing i'd like to note because this is a track that was actually supposed to be track

00:07:08.040 three but i delayed it because i was like oh this is one of the crazier ones because this is

00:07:11.940 the things we believe but it also elevates the additional book that we add to biblical text which

00:07:19.060 nobody else adds to biblical text as it's divinely inspired works which is the martyrdom of man by

00:07:24.820 winwood reed and the way that we relate to theology like even if you look at the tracks i would generally

00:07:32.440 recommend that somebody who was born a muslim and identifies as muslim first and foremost go to the

00:07:39.380 koran for their religious learnings somebody who was born a jew and raised a jew i would say go back

00:07:44.380 to conservative jewish values study your books same with christian however i would say for people who

00:07:51.720 were born atheists or are pure techno puritan like just pure this branch that we are creating

00:07:57.920 the core book of ours is the martyrdom of man of all of the faith background books so that's another

00:08:06.420 thing to note it's what if i'm coming into this and i don't have a theological background or my family

00:08:10.820 does i don't feel strongly like a christian or a jew or muslim then the martyrdom of man is the the

00:08:16.440 default because i think it's the most uh recent and clear of the revelations from my perspective and

00:08:22.800 we'll get to why we think that all right so i'm gonna get started let's do it anything you wanted to

00:08:28.740 say someone before i do i'm excited you had me crazy those who are familiar with us know that we

00:08:34.060 crafted this set of beliefs because we believe it is both what is psychologically healthiest for our

00:08:38.700 kids and allows for religious fervor while being resistant to conflict with science they laugh and

00:08:46.520 say can you really expect a set of practices to carry itself with fidelity and fervor intergenerationally

00:08:51.940 just because people think it helps kids you really think that you could compete with traditional

00:08:58.520 religions here we have to take our turn to chuckle gesturing at santa pummeling traditional religion

00:09:04.760 to the dirt in the public mindshare or the easter bunny or solstice events the alternative religious

00:09:11.940 systems that people have chosen seem to be out competing specifically for their kids oh let's do

00:09:17.780 what's right for our kids the traditional systems but i also know that what i believe about god is true

00:09:24.760 how i am not a man of faith i don't believe things without evidence even if god started talking to

00:09:31.480 me i would just assume i was having a psychotic break i created this system and framing for my kids

00:09:38.740 along with the holidays and mandates in an effort to save our species not because i thought it was

00:09:44.340 true then one day i thought if it was true how would god communicate that to someone like me and

00:09:52.900 because he couldn't communicate it with me by talking to me if god just directly talked to me

00:09:57.040 i assume you probably feel this way to simone you'd be like oh i'm going insane my initial thought

00:10:02.880 wouldn't be oh this is affirmation of my beliefs by the way this is such a cal like a classical

00:10:09.380 stereotypical calvinist view if you go back and read a christmas carol about evaneser scrooge the first

00:10:16.000 thing that happens when he starts seeing the ghosts it he is he says that he must have eaten some like

00:10:20.600 off food he he assumes he has food poisoning and he is seeing ghosts it's great all right

00:10:27.400 first i started going through the books i had tried to flippantly include in my religion as

00:10:32.500 earlier revelations religions i had included to preserve and create continuity in western history

00:10:38.040 the abrahamic tree of prophets as i studied them i started to see lines and interpretations of what was

00:10:43.880 written that supported this weird religion i thought i had invented lines that directly contradicted

00:10:49.060 the most commonly practiced iterations of those traditions c tract one but while weird that was

00:10:55.780 hardly enough to convince me the human brain can easily pick up patterns where they don't exist

00:11:00.560 as an example of this are the lines in the quran that explicitly state all of the major abrahamic

00:11:06.060 religions are true religions and that god sends different prophets for different people with different

00:11:10.980 all true yet seemingly contradictory teachings and i'm going to butcher the pronunciation here but surah

00:11:17.220 al-mahdi 47 to 57 and surah al-nal 36 and that islam was the revelation meant to be followed by arabic speakers

00:11:27.660 surfa yusuf 2 and just as a quick aside here some people have been like muhammad it says muhammad was the seal of

00:11:35.360 the prophets except this phrase is directly taken for manichean literature the seal of the prophets because they

00:11:42.200 commonly use phrase in manichean literature like almost as common as almond and other literatures or something like that

00:11:47.120 and what it means is a seal of verification not the last of but like a seal of proof that it's the twitter blue check of

00:11:56.280 religion yes and and he verified interestingly like do the opposite of what a lot of muslims want to believe

00:12:03.860 and it's pretty clear if you read the quran that this is what was meant that the christian tradition is 100%

00:12:08.220 true and the jewish tradition is 100% true and islamic laws should not be forced on these populations

00:12:13.420 because while it may seem that their traditions are different and people can look at our tesseract god

00:12:17.880 concept to see where this aligns with our understanding here okay so i realize that because we

00:12:23.580 haven't done a tract in a while you may not remember what our thoughts are on are about islam what was

00:12:31.120 what muhammad was actually trying to say so i'll just quickly go over some of these passages that i

00:12:36.580 cited here one here we have we surely sent a messenger to every community sometimes this is

00:12:41.980 translated nation so to every community saying worship allah and shun false gods but some of them

00:12:48.120 were guided by allah while others were destined to stray so travel throughout the land and see the fate

00:12:53.140 of the deniers so this tells us a few interesting things first it tells us that there are multiple

00:13:00.340 prophets and keep in mind that like a nation or a community the nations that are in for example the

00:13:06.320 middle east today are not the nations that were there in the long past this means that you are

00:13:10.400 getting multiple iterations of messengers for different basically cultural groups and it means that you can

00:13:17.960 tell which are the true iteration and which are the false iteration by god's favor and as i say you know

00:13:24.660 when you look at history you will see god favoring individuals like the early jews and then he removes

00:13:31.980 his favor or the or you know the early christians or during the protestant reformation you know god's

00:13:37.660 favor returned to the christian community or during the islamic golden age and so when we're looking for

00:13:44.360 okay where is god's word in the world we need to look at the fate of the deniers essentially you can tell

00:13:51.240 the truth of the word by how healthy a community is so if we see periods in world history where you see a

00:13:57.960 unique amount of cultural explosion for example like victorian britain you can imagine that something

00:14:04.920 about their mindset of that time period is inspired by allah or by god and we can also see the fate of

00:14:14.020 the muslim community after i believe they turned their back on god and turned to and were influenced

00:14:19.640 by the well we'll call them sufi mystics they god removed his favor from the islamic community and the

00:14:25.200 community crashed muhammad's second important revelation from our perspective is the understanding

00:14:31.200 that these different prophets teach different and to the human mind mutually contradictory lessons about

00:14:38.100 how to get to god and the best way to do it is to follow the lessons that were taught to your community

00:14:44.400 so for some lines from the quran here surely those who believe in allah and those who are jews and

00:14:50.440 christians and sabians whoever believes in allah and in the last day and does good deeds all such

00:14:55.800 people will have their reward with the lord and there will be no reason for them to fear nor shall

00:15:00.780 they grieve or as another quote and we have revealed to you oh muhammad the book in truth to each of you

00:15:07.740 we prescribed a law and a method had allah willed he would have made you one nation united in religion

00:15:14.120 but he intended to test you in what he has given you so race to all all that is good so here and

00:15:23.120 this adds some bits like he intended in united religion but anyway one nation one religion etc

00:15:27.900 is what was been here or at least that's that's what i take it to mean what i read this to mean is

00:15:32.620 that if you are of the jewish group and i believe that god will tell you in your heart you know which

00:15:37.880 group is really your group or the christian group or the muslim group this is why i said earlier at the

00:15:42.260 beginning of this tract you should predominantly if you consider yourself like a techno puritan

00:15:47.260 you are first and foremost a muslim or first and foremost a jew but a techno puritan jew or first

00:15:52.960 and foremost a muslim but a techno puritan muslim however if you don't have a birth tradition or turned

00:15:58.000 your back on your birth tradition then your core text is the martyrdom of man which we will be going

00:16:03.480 over here i should probably also here elaborate on the seal of the prophets point i made because

00:16:08.060 it's one of these points that'll be obvious to people who study religion but if you don't study

00:16:11.760 religion you'll be like wait what that's not what it means but that's what all the muslims say it

00:16:15.660 means so here is and i'm quoting from oxford academic this abstract here this chapter explains

00:16:22.280 that the concept usually perceived to be first used in relation to muhammad and meaning the end of

00:16:27.480 prophecy was actually first used in manichean literature there it referred to mani's disciples

00:16:32.180 and meant that they were the proof of mani's prophecy again the results have a significant impact on the

00:16:38.380 importance of prophecy in late antiquity the concept of quote-unquote seal in hebrew and other

00:16:43.220 semitic languages was certainly common in ancient societies and is well attested from the bible on

00:16:47.820 on a letter or on a sheep the seal clearly confirms belonging now research shows that also in early

00:16:53.940 islamic texts seal referred to prophets coming after muhammad and confirming his prophecy this is then an

00:17:00.580 old idea which goes like a thread through the ages in near eastern religious history so this is a like

00:17:07.640 mainstream concept it's well known the the term seal of the prophets was borrowed from manichean

00:17:13.220 literature when muhammad was writing it he would have known this it was changed by later muslim

00:17:18.520 scholars to mean something else uh to fit their means because you know it's easier for a religion

00:17:23.440 to spread if you can't if it doesn't keep updating itself but it was built into islam to be able to

00:17:29.060 update itself and this is not some sort of a fringe theory another example would be lined in the bible

00:17:34.380 where jesus warns us of future prophets to come matthews 23 to 34 then paul gives us criteria for

00:17:40.660 vetting the revelations cessalonians 5 20 and 21 if you want to see us doing a detailed breakdown of

00:17:46.740 this phenomenon we kept running into c are we mormons episode of the base camp podcast which

00:17:53.340 investigates how similar our system appears to early mormon writings and i would also recommend

00:17:58.580 people here go check out the adam and eve episode of base camp because that was one of the most shocking

00:18:02.500 things i have ever done is actually i was like this standard reading of adam and eve that god

00:18:07.980 did not want mankind to know good from evil and we are punished for that felt stupid to me i was like

00:18:14.760 this cannot be a true religion that's not a god i want to follow if that's what it actually says

00:18:19.280 then we went and we read it and that is not at all what it says and not only that but it had like

00:18:24.620 weird supernatural elements when i say supernatural i was like reading the story and i go this seems to be

00:18:29.740 the story about the first city and when man first started making his own rules and weirdly i had

00:18:34.460 been told we didn't know where the garden of eden was and yet it says very clearly in the story that

00:18:38.120 it's at the mouse water that the tigress and the euphrates and we absolutely know where that is so i

00:18:42.360 just decided to do a google search i was like where is the earliest city that we know about and it was

00:18:46.820 right there like exactly in the region where the garden of eden story takes place which given that

00:18:55.520 the story was written 5 000 years after the city that feels almost like supernatural providence to

00:19:01.900 me that it would know that it given the theme of the story and i um this basically happens whenever

00:19:07.600 i go through one of these biblical stories so i'm like this is like the muslim stuff this is not what

00:19:11.780 muslims tell me islam is but this is what's written in the quran this is not what christians tell me

00:19:16.420 this story is about but this is what seems to be written in the bible this is not what jews tell me

00:19:20.300 the stories about this is what i'm reading like how is this true is this some sort of mandela world

00:19:24.980 where somebody switched out the bible and everybody created their religions off of some other text

00:19:28.960 i don't know but to me like that is a really powerful i could say supernatural signal which is

00:19:37.640 to somewhat fortified a not faith i have because it's not faith right it's based on evidence i cannot

00:19:44.480 explain through other mechanisms so and evidence that other people can check and verify i'm with you on

00:19:51.640 this i like do you feel sometimes like it's weird that this all like the religions that were told

00:19:57.660 what the bible and quran say isn't what we read when we read it yes and i experienced this first in high

00:20:03.480 school when they had us read the bible i was pretty shocked by a lot of it because i expected to find a

00:20:10.560 bunch of things that i'd been told about and they weren't there so this has always been something that i

00:20:16.180 wonder at but i also wonder if this is something that comes directly from our protestant heritage

00:20:24.100 or that people who tended or were drawn toward protestant-based faiths were also more likely to

00:20:30.560 be the types of people who question these things and want to go directly to the primary source and be

00:20:34.960 like where's your where's your well yeah i also feel that a lot of people are like how dare you add

00:20:41.400 things to like biblical interpretations and i'm like one biblical interpretations have heavily evolved

00:20:46.620 over time yeah and we even see this captured within the biblical interpretations with the snake

00:20:52.380 staff of moses as we've mentioned this was the staff he used to heal people who had been when he was

00:20:57.580 going to israel for the first time who had been bitten by stakes and then it got placed in the temple and

00:21:02.140 then some like 500 600 years later still captured within the bible people had started worshiping it and had

00:21:07.820 been doing it for hundreds of years and committing idolatry and then the staff had to be broken and

00:21:12.120 discarded because that had entered the temple and what that story teaches us is that antiquity

00:21:17.800 or the antiquity of a tradition is not proof that it is approved by god yeah which is important to

00:21:24.740 remember that what we're doing and then a lot of people are like oh yeah i just follow the bible and

00:21:28.300 then they believe stuff like the rapture which isn't like that supported biblically or like in a satan that's

00:21:33.920 like a red guy was like hooved feet and horn and i'm like that is like pure biblical fan fiction

00:21:40.120 yeah i really expected to find that in the bible though i was very confused or hell yeah where was

00:21:47.320 hell where was everything we believe about hell the bible doesn't mention hell and fires of hell but like

00:21:51.740 nothing really beyond that and yet we have all these ideas about it me to be drawing ideas from other

00:21:57.580 places doesn't distant me that much from other christian groups yeah okay now back to the text

00:22:02.840 in this hypothesized metaphysical system i believed i created in the best interest of my kids god is

00:22:09.820 what humanity is destined to become millions of years from now an entity so powerful it lives outside

00:22:14.700 of time and guides its own creation an entity that has attempted to give human groups throughout history

00:22:20.780 the closest to true revelation they can understand if those things were actually true the first time god

00:22:26.640 would have tried to give this revelation to man would not have been with me but with someone during the

00:22:31.660 victorian era likely soon after humanity discovered the theory of evolution and this is because mankind

00:22:37.360 at that kind had all of the science they needed to understand a concept like this so i would very

00:22:43.280 unlikely be the first time god revealed this to somebody and not revealed it through any sort of

00:22:48.100 revelation just through just studying things and thinking okay what might god actually look like

00:22:53.860 given the physical boundaries that we know and given that it appears to me that this judeo-christian

00:22:59.020 god is a real entity he could have attempted to prove the author of the story was his emissary

00:23:04.540 through giving him the capacity for somatological performances miracle working but someone like me

00:23:09.920 would just read victorian reports of miracle workers as con artists so what i'm saying here is that okay if

00:23:16.980 god had actually revealed to somebody through their intellect this understanding of him he could have

00:23:22.720 proved it by having them be a miracle worker but i wouldn't take that as proof right which is also

00:23:27.920 interesting it's also it's almost like and this is why i believe in god so much these days that all of

00:23:34.060 the evidence was specifically crafted just to cater to my standard of evidence and so then i write no the

00:23:40.780 only way he could prove to me the text was actually directly inspired by him was to include something

00:23:46.880 totally unfakeable that anyone could independently verify like a detailed prediction of future events

00:23:53.680 in a widely printed yet somehow almost entirely forgotten victorian work then i was reminded of

00:24:00.860 an old book i had picked up in a collection of antique scientific literature the martyrdom of man by

00:24:07.000 winwood reed written in 1872 that and my kids were playing with it at the time the book is meant to be a full

00:24:14.100 history of man but weirdly it does not stop recording history when it was written in 1872 but keeps going

00:24:21.020 it keeps going until quote man then will be perfect he will therefore be what the vulgar

00:24:28.040 worship as a god end quote in this old dusty antique book not only did i find the exact copy of

00:24:36.560 the belief system i thought i had invented whole cloths but a set of predictions about what technologies

00:24:43.260 would be invented over the next two centuries what order they would be invented in and the social

00:24:48.240 impact they would have now if you were like me you are skeptical either the system he developed

00:24:54.720 must have had more differences to ours than i am admitting or his predictions are not really that

00:25:01.240 impressive here is an example of reed's writing three inventions which and i should note this was

00:25:09.920 written in then it was published in 1872 so it was written in like the late 1860s okay yeah this is

00:25:15.140 before people have light bulbs in their homes this is before so many things three inventions which

00:25:23.320 perhaps may be long delayed but which possibly are near at hand the first is the discovery of a

00:25:29.220 motive force which will take the place of steam with its cumbrous fuel of oil or coal secondly the

00:25:35.960 invention of aerial locomotion which will transport labor at a trifling cost of money and time to any part

00:25:42.520 of the planet and which by annihilating distance will speedily extinguish national distinctions

00:25:48.380 which we have seen from like an ethnic perspective and thirdly the manufacture of flesh and flour from

00:25:56.060 the elements by a chemical process in the laboratory similar to that which is now performed within the

00:26:02.160 bodies of animals and plants if this prediction is not shocking to you i suggest you look up images of what

00:26:07.980 other people were predicting the future would be like in the second half of the 1800s even early

00:26:13.720 genius science fiction writers born well after reed died like george orwell came nowhere close to such

00:26:22.080 an accurate description of the future and it's not just his writings of the future that have already

00:26:27.380 come to pass that are uncanny his writings about what happens next could have easily been written

00:26:34.480 by an effective altruist last week and then here's a quote from him these bodies which now we wear

00:26:42.140 belong to the lower animals our minds have already outgrown them already we look upon them with

00:26:47.780 contempt a time will come when science will transform them by means which we cannot conjecture

00:26:54.300 and which even if explained to us we could not now understand just as the savage cannot understand

00:27:00.300 electricity magnetism or steam disease will be extirpated the causes of decay will be removed

00:27:08.260 immortality will be invented and i would note on the disease will be extirpated line that has happened

00:27:14.100 from the perspective of somebody living in the 1860s with the advent of vaccines and all of that

00:27:18.700 remember half of infants used to die in childbirth and stuff and then the earth being small mankind will

00:27:25.540 migrate to space and will cross the airless saharas which separate planet from planet

00:27:30.240 and sun from sun the earth will become a holy land which will be visited by pilgrims from all

00:27:35.900 quarters of the universe finally men will master the forces of nature they will become themselves

00:27:42.080 architects of systems manufacturers of worlds man will then be perfect he will be a creator he will

00:27:49.440 therefore be what the vulgar worship as a god

00:27:52.400 called it yeah i love things like this i love it when people seem to be able to model out how the

00:28:02.540 future is going to be and and what i love too is that he is one of the few people that could go ahead

00:28:11.060 and extrapolate into the future and think through the implications of technology that was already in

00:28:16.760 development at that time and the incentives that would be present i i'm gonna go further i think

00:28:22.180 that his predictions were supernatural like they were divinely inspired when you read other quote

00:28:28.700 unquote like prediction people it's like nostradamus or something like that like stuff that you could

00:28:33.800 interpret in a few different ways he's explicit he's saying we will be able to fly we will be we will

00:28:41.260 be able to eat other than synthetic meat and other synthetic food lab yeah there is like no vagueness in

00:28:49.580 his predictions and that is the only thing that i would trust also i wouldn't trust it if this was

00:28:54.220 like some rare text that somebody just found today but no like this text is incredibly well recorded

00:29:00.260 during the time period this is not a modern fabrication he really predicted the future in a way that no other

00:29:07.940 person i have seen and no other text i have seen was this accurate and this uncanny to me so to go

00:29:15.260 further the way he talked about the goals of his religious system and the nature of god also mirrored

00:29:19.460 ideas i thought i had crafted for the best interest of my children quote here we do not wish to extirpate

00:29:25.260 religion from the life of man we wish him to have a religion which will harmonize with his intellect

00:29:29.760 and which inquiry will strengthen not destroy we wish in fact to give him a religion for now there are many

00:29:36.040 who have none we teach that there is a god but not a god of the anthropoid variety not a god who is

00:29:42.880 gratified by compliments and prose and verse and whose attributes can be categorized by theologians

00:29:48.720 god is so great that he cannot be defined by us god is so great that he does not deign to have

00:29:55.720 personal relations with the human atoms that are called men those who desire to worship their creator

00:30:02.540 must worship him through mankind and by that what he means is through the improvement of mankind not

00:30:08.620 through as he said in other places our goal is to move from the pre-coded four-footed and you'll hear

00:30:16.280 this in some of the quotes i read from instincts that we have not through like sex or through gratification

00:30:21.820 but through the things that differentiate mankind from animals our logic the parts of ourselves that we

00:30:28.740 choose to choose to be do you have thoughts yeah i appreciate how weirdly you could say transhumanist or

00:30:38.440 non-carbon fascist he is as well like he clearly is somewhat disgusted by the human condition and

00:30:44.040 really does want to rise above it and i love that about him because yeah i feel like this intro here

00:30:50.540 from the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh it disgusted me

00:30:58.540 i craved the strength and certainty of steel i aspired to the purity of the blessed machine

00:31:08.700 your kind claim to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you

00:31:18.140 one day the crude biomass that you call the temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you

00:31:29.400 yeah it's being uniquely a theme uniquely weird in our time i think is a romanticization of

00:31:46.300 devolved humanity oh wouldn't it be great if we lived like pre-civilization humans i feel like

00:31:54.620 these people really predated this idea of i guess i'd call it the chimp man like they want to go

00:31:59.980 back they want to devolve and posing and everything like that and i'm like this is not the elevation

00:32:06.700 of humanity that i think is pretty clear god intended and we can go into what or adam and eve

00:32:11.380 interpretation and the idea of the punishments that we were given in the garden of eden largely

00:32:15.800 being removed we are no longer um cursed to work the land for our food the days of our lives

00:32:23.940 we are no longer in a society where women are ruled by men and are forced to lust after men we are

00:32:30.160 no longer deal with pain and childbirth you're able to take epidurals now if you want to and what we

00:32:35.180 learned when these and a lot of people think that one of the curses for leaving the garden was death

00:32:41.160 it actually very clearly is not he said you will until death be cursed to work the land now the way

00:32:48.500 that line is actually written you could read it either way maybe we were cursed was death maybe we

00:32:53.860 weren't cursed was death and it was just a time duration but you can actually tell that we were

00:32:58.000 not cursed was death from another line where it says i had to expel man from the garden because and

00:33:04.660 i'll read in the exact lines here because if he ate from the tree of life he would live forever

00:33:10.300 so for a few different translations here we have the new international version that says he must not be

00:33:16.820 allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat and live forever so the lord

00:33:22.800 god banished him from the garden of eden to work the ground from which he had been taken here we

00:33:27.280 have the new catholic bible which has now we must prevent him from reaching out and taking the fruit

00:33:32.720 of the tree of life lest he eat it and live forever and now we have the christian standard bible here

00:33:38.140 which says he must not reach out take from the tree of life and eat it since man has become like one

00:33:44.680 of us knowing good and evil he must not reach out take from the tree of life eat it and live forever

00:33:50.440 so you can see there's really i find it hard to get any other interpretation of this than if you

00:33:56.540 had ever eaten from the tree of life you would live forever meaning man never did eat from the tree of

00:34:02.980 life meaning that man was mortal in the garden of eden and in addition just in case you're wondering

00:34:09.480 why i say that it was a duration the from dust to dust thing i'll just be reading from just the

00:34:14.660 christian standard bible to not bore you here but it says the ground is cursed because of you you will

00:34:19.860 eat from it by means of painful labor all the days of your life it will produce thorns and thistles for

00:34:25.940 you and you will eat the plants of the field you will eat bread by the sweat of your brow until you

00:34:32.080 return to the ground and note this line until you return to the ground since you were taken from it

00:34:38.360 for you are dust and you will return to dust okay this is not a curse it's a statement for you are dust

00:34:44.480 and you will return to dust and it's describing a length of duration here you will eat bread by the

00:34:50.200 sweat of your brow until you return to the ground until you return to the ground okay which implies

00:34:55.860 that you only needed to eat from the tree of life once to live forever meaning that man had never eaten

00:35:02.060 from that tree meaning that man wasn't immortal in the garden um so that means that death was not one

00:35:09.940 of the curses and this is actually important if you look at an environment now where most of the

00:35:14.040 curses have been lifted which brings us to a time when people are like why would there be a new text

00:35:18.300 why would there be this new addition of theological law for people of our age and this is because we

00:35:25.360 are entering a new covenant based on these curses being lifted and us realizing that they were not

00:35:31.180 curses but they were blessings they allowed us to be high fertility when you put man into the trial of

00:35:36.540 lotus eaters which we talk about in our first tract you're actually putting them in a harder situation

00:35:41.100 yeah so anyway and go check our adam and e video if you want to get a deep dive into that what does

00:35:50.120 he say the purpose of human life is what are we commanded to do here again i find the way he lays

00:35:57.160 out these concepts to be ideologically identical to the framings i thought i had crafted you blessed

00:36:03.160 ones who shall inherit that future age of which we can only dream you pure and radiant beings who

00:36:09.040 shall succeed us on the earth when you turn back your eyes on us poor savages rubbing in the ground for

00:36:16.160 our daily bread eating flesh and blood dwelling in vile bodies which degrade us every day to a level with

00:36:24.000 the beast tortured by pains and animal propensities buried in gloomy superstitions ignorant of nature

00:36:31.480 which yet holds us in her bonds when you read of us in books when you think of what we are and

00:36:38.800 compare us with yourselves remember that it is to us you owe the foundation of your happiness and

00:36:44.700 grandeur to us who now in our libraries and laboratories and star towers and dissecting rooms and workshops

00:36:51.460 are preparing the materials of the human growth and as for ourselves if we are sometimes inclined to

00:37:00.520 regret that our lot is cast in these unhappy days that let us remember how much more fortunate we are

00:37:06.780 than those who lived before us a few centuries ago the working man enjoys more luxuries today than did the

00:37:13.940 king of england in the inglo-saxon times and at his command our intellectual delights which but a little

00:37:20.960 while ago the most learned in the land could not obtain all this we owe to the labors of other men let us

00:37:27.960 therefore remember them with gratitude let us follow their glorious example by adding something new

00:37:35.920 to the knowledge of mankind let us pay to the future the debt which we owe the past all men indeed cannot be

00:37:44.320 poets inventors or philanthropists but all men can join in the gigantic and godlike work the progress of

00:37:52.060 creation whoever improves his own nature improves the universe of which he is a part he who strives to

00:37:59.800 subdue his evil passions vile remnants of the old four-footed life and who cultivates the social

00:38:06.400 affections he who endeavors to better his condition and to make his children wiser and happier than himself

00:38:13.320 whatever may be his motivations he will not have lived in vain

00:38:17.060 yeah this is a man who again does not like being human as he is and two is deeply inspired in

00:38:25.800 servicing future in serving future generations and making them better in improvement and not accepting

00:38:31.860 humanity as it is if you think about so this line right here i think the really important line

00:38:37.380 especially when you contrast it with our thoughts that i thought i had crafted and you've got to imagine

00:38:41.900 like you as a viewer when you're like why did he really believe this stuff i thought i had made all of

00:38:46.480 this up okay i like imagine you made up this theology and then you find it in an old book in your house

00:38:53.900 and then on top of that the book made a bunch of predictions and they all came true like this may

00:39:00.100 not convince you but it convinces me okay and gives me not face but like evidence-backed face which is

00:39:08.560 such a weird thing to happen what do you what do you say in rebuttal to those who say you're just

00:39:16.120 searching for faith in random places and connecting dots where it seems convenient and you're no better

00:39:23.160 than the people that you scoff at completely implausible to me it seems completely implausible

00:39:30.260 yeah but the other people are like oh isn't it crazy that this bird pooped on my head this one day

00:39:35.520 when i just said this and then they just connect the dots they choose to find the meaning where it

00:39:40.140 yeah but i'm not doing that i'm not reading from current things that other people can't verify

00:39:44.720 i'm not reading from anecdotal events i am pointing to somebody who anyone can verify in history okay

00:39:51.680 who seems to predict things i have no other way of explaining how he predicted this many things

00:39:59.140 and when you contrast us with even great thinkers of his period like george orwell or something like

00:40:03.680 that who literally wrote after this guy died george orwell's predictions are infinitely less accurate

00:40:10.120 than his and then given how well he predicted all this given how widely he was known as his time as a

00:40:16.520 great thinker why was he forgotten why was it to me to find this book and how did i even find this

00:40:22.880 forgotten book like all of this is just too impractical to me and when i look at the specifics

00:40:28.600 like the specifics of his theology when you hear about simona and i talking about ideas like what

00:40:34.300 makes a human are not the pre-coded genetic predilections like love lust happiness etc but the

00:40:42.080 things we choose for ourselves the things we choose with our human brain and then you read what he

00:40:46.460 writes more beautifully than i could ever put whoever improves his own nature improves the universe

00:40:51.560 of which he is apart he who strives to subdue his evil passions vile remnants of the old four-footed

00:40:57.960 life and who cultivates the social affections he who endeavors to better his condition and to make his

00:41:03.060 children wiser and happier than himself whatever may be his motives he will not have lived in vain

00:41:07.780 he very clearly points out what he means when he says subdue his evil passions vile remnants of the

00:41:15.260 old four-footed lives these pre-evolved things and he is literally having these ideas while charles

00:41:21.440 darwin is still alive he is literally building this infrastructure as early as a human could given when

00:41:29.620 we say that revelation is given to man as early as it can be as our civilization progresses and gains

00:41:37.480 new understanding this is literally as early one of the things that one would read was actually known

00:41:42.500 most for was being one of the main evangelists of darwin and going out and debating people about

00:41:47.680 darwin i didn't know that that's crazy yeah i he actually communicated with darwin uh winwood reed

00:41:54.720 corresponded with darwin during the writing of the descent of man and is considered one of its

00:41:59.440 contributors so some of his ideas are in this book where he proposes that these evolutionary forces

00:42:03.780 affected man as well which also like when i contrast weed winwood reed to other prophets this guy is

00:42:10.200 like actively known as an anti-racist crusader he's actively known as like a which we'll see from

00:42:15.940 other passages he's actively known as a he called evolution early on when i look at other prophets

00:42:22.540 they just don't inspire me the same way this guy is never written as doing like an unethical thing in

00:42:28.980 his life and i really like that because it's it's it's in some way easier for me to look up to him as a

00:42:36.700 prophet and i don't know if i'd be able to if the same things are recorded about him as we have

00:42:41.540 recorded about some of the other prophets in terms of the things that they did now i still think that

00:42:45.200 they're divinely inspired i don't think that somebody needs to be a good person to be a prophet

00:42:48.900 i think we or to have god's favor i think that this is recorded in all of the judeo-christian

00:42:53.420 traditions with david and the story of basheba that you can be a total douche canoe and be a prophet

00:42:58.700 sorry for people who aren't particularly like religiously read and don't know the story of david and

00:43:03.240 basheba david who god favored saw a guy's wife like naked on the roof of her house from his high

00:43:11.680 roof he wanted to sleep with her so he sent her husband who was a faithful shoulder to the front

00:43:17.440 lines to be killed so that he could sleep with this guy's wife like that is douche canoe high

00:43:23.040 tier status you know whatever you blame i don't know whether it's muhammad or joseph smith for like

00:43:28.960 it i don't know if you get much worse than that and yeah we are pretty clearly told if you're in

00:43:34.180 any of the judeo-christian traditions that david did have god's favor i just like that they read

00:43:39.440 but i also like that i can look to somebody else that i'm not like this is my ideas i can look to

00:43:44.360 somebody from antiquity and say this is their ideas and so the level to which i can go crazy

00:43:48.980 is really constrained by a previous thinker and the level to which he can do terrible things by today's

00:43:55.720 social standards is really constrained because we can look and see the way he lived his life

00:44:00.540 so intergenerational improvement is not a preference or an inclination but a mandate all

00:44:07.840 men die it is not death that makes a martyr it is how he lives how one spends this one life we are

00:44:15.420 each gifted the story of jesus is misinterpreted it was god trying to gift primitive man a truth of

00:44:21.900 reality he could not yet decipher it was not god who as a man martyred himself for the salvation of

00:44:29.220 mankind for it is only through choosing martyrdom choosing lives of service to the creation of a

00:44:37.880 future not meant for us that we are undeserving of entering that we can give meaning to our lives

00:44:44.540 it is this truth that the story of moses was meant to communicate to the childlike bronze age man

00:44:51.900 and then here's a quote from the martyrdom of man i give to this universal history a strange but true

00:44:58.520 title the martyrdom of man in each generation that the human race has been tortured that their children

00:45:03.920 might profit by their woes our own propensity is founded on the agonies of the past is it therefore

00:45:11.160 unjust that we also should suffer for the benefit of those who are to come famine pestilence and war

00:45:18.100 are no longer essential for the advancement of the human race but a season of mental anguish is at hand

00:45:24.620 and through this we must pass in order that our posterity may rise the soul must be sacrificed the hope in

00:45:33.260 immortality must die a sweet and charming illusion must be taken from the human race as use and beauty

00:45:40.580 vanish never to return and here i want to elevate when he's talking about but a season of mental

00:45:47.180 anguish is at hand this was written before world war one and world war two so he was not wrong in

00:45:53.080 that prediction in in saying that a lot of people at the time believed that wars were basically over

00:45:58.180 but anyway it is fascinating how stories i had learned in my use and this is me talking again

00:46:04.520 but made no sense now came into crystal clarity i could not understand why god would need to

00:46:11.120 sacrifice himself in the form of a man to forgive man for his sins why not just choose to forgive man

00:46:16.940 why would the sacrifice mean anything if immediately afterwards he knew he was going to be brought back to

00:46:22.500 life and rejoin god how would man in an act of foolishness cruelly killing the manifestation of god

00:46:29.220 somehow cleansed himself of his sins but when i examined the story with this new framing it now

00:46:36.200 seems almost impossibly elegant in how it described a concept man with centuries from having the capacity

00:46:43.960 to grasp but it's not just this story all over the christian tradition things that had seemed like

00:46:49.900 non-sequiturs suddenly had meaning as an example the temptation of christ never made a lick of sense to me

00:46:56.280 how could satan tempt god with things that god already owned why would jesus bow to satan if he

00:47:03.620 knew he was god and how could satan act outside of god's will and tempt his own master in mon in a

00:47:11.240 monotheistic tradition by that what i mean is if there is only one god or at least an all-powerful

00:47:16.560 god satan should have no ability to realistically challenge him so why is he able to challenge god in

00:47:22.040 this instance and how could satan act outside of god's will and tempt his own master however if i

00:47:28.460 reframe this story as not one about jesus as traditional christians understand him but the

00:47:34.360 martyr as we understand him the story comes into crystal clarity and i say for context of the c track

00:47:41.060 six but it's one of the future tracks where i'm going to talk more about this context when i talk about

00:47:45.400 satan the rule of evil and temptation which will be a future tract as an example what's the point of the

00:47:51.440 trinity why was it so important to understand god with three completely separate entities but also

00:47:56.380 one entity and for that matter what's up with the holy ghost why not just explain jesus is fully god

00:48:02.080 and also not god if that is the point the trinity is supposed to explain because the trinity was

00:48:07.760 attempting to explain the concept of the ages of providence the holy spirit god the father and the son

00:48:13.180 mankind to an earlier iteration of man not yet capable of understanding or accepting a fuller revelation

00:48:20.120 god is a plural entity a singular entity and the fraction of humanity willing to live as martyrs

00:48:26.820 destiny these are completely distinct manifestations of the same entity in the old christian tradition the

00:48:33.320 concept of the trinity provides little additional information in terms of the nature of god or how to

00:48:38.900 worship but with this additional information it becomes critical that's really interesting to me all

00:48:45.480 these ideas where i've been like what's the point of that what's the point of the holy ghost

00:48:48.340 why what's the point of satan's temptation of god like jesus who's going to immediately become god

00:48:53.300 what's the point of the sacrifice why did god being killed unjustly by man clear man of his sins

00:48:59.640 but now if all of a sudden makes sense to me was this new framing and it's like an impossibly elegant

00:49:04.920 explanation of a concept i thought i had invented and keep in mind i thought i had invented oh god the

00:49:10.560 future entity and mankind intergenerational is aggravated themselves and now i go back to these

00:49:14.520 religious texts which i grew up with and didn't know they said the things they say and i'm like

00:49:18.660 whoa i did not expect this do you think that you had subtly grown up with these core messages and

00:49:29.800 just not known it and had them set in and then intuitively no you just weren't exposed to these

00:49:36.560 primary sources at all to start i never read them seriously

00:49:41.120 yeah i'm just wondering where it could have come from it's not like i read the martyrdom of man

00:49:48.220 yes yeah this was not primed by something but with the salvation communicated in this understanding is

00:49:56.880 also a commandment man must live as a martyr to be sanctified a man that stagnated technologically

00:50:03.080 genetically or in one's personal self-improvement is living in the highest order of sin possible

00:50:08.100 to claim that you are good enough as you are whether that is culturally genetically or personally

00:50:14.260 is to claim oneself to be as perfect as god and an affront to god and then from the martyrdom of man he

00:50:22.920 says persons with feeble and untrained intellects may live according to their conscience but the

00:50:28.740 conscience itself will be defective to cultivate the intellect is therefore a religious duty and when

00:50:35.160 this truce is fairly recognized by men the religion which teaches that the intellect should be distrusted

00:50:41.960 and that it should be subservient to faith will inevitably fall every moment of your life you spend

00:50:48.280 on something other than the improvement of yourself or mankind is a moment you are living in rebellion to

00:50:54.740 god but to aspire to not sin at all to think oneself capable of living a sinless life is itself a sin

00:51:02.760 only those yet to come in whom we will be instrumental in creating are capable of living sinless lives or

00:51:10.380 deserving the rewards of one instead it is enough for us to not glorify our sin we are to use sin like

00:51:17.680 meat to tame the animal that still lives inside us an evolutionary scar a beast that still craves sex

00:51:25.720 luxuries and status but because the more we feed the beast the stronger it will become we must feed it

00:51:33.320 only just enough to prevent it from distracting us from our purpose within these short lives the efficacy

00:51:40.520 of a preacher is shown through how little meat he used to tame his beast and then from the martyrdom of man

00:51:48.660 whoever improves his own nature improves the universe of which he is a part he who strives to subdue his evil

00:51:55.100 passions via remnants of the old four-footed life and who cultivates the social affections he who endeavors

00:52:00.440 to better his condition and to make his children wiser and happier than himself whatever may be his motives

00:52:05.500 he will not have lived in vain and here i would note what i'm talking about to to think yourself

00:52:10.620 incapable of sin uh or or to live a life incapable of sin is in itself a sin and what you need to do

00:52:17.900 and what's commanded of us is to attempt to improve the next generation attempt to improve ourselves but

00:52:23.740 also to never ever glorify sin as not sin so for example i drink alcohol this has no efficacious point

00:52:33.340 in my life it is a sin okay drinking alcohol is a sin but i do not aspire to live a sinless life i

00:52:45.580 simply aspire to be better every day and when i look at the aspects of my life that i could improve

00:52:51.660 this is one of the aspects that if i endeavor to improve it would distract me from other aspects i am

00:52:57.640 working to improve right now but it is very important because mankind has within him the desire to do this

00:53:02.980 to take things that are sinful and turn them into status signs whether it's an addiction to exercise

00:53:09.220 for example where you have worked out far more than you need to for your health and have started using

00:53:14.260 it as a social signal or people who brag about being able to drink someone else under the table

00:53:19.060 these are the true and highest form of sin because here you glorify your sin instead we don't need to be

00:53:27.460 perfect we just need to know that sin is or we just need to admit to our sins and i think that this is

00:53:34.020 something that the catholics i really like about their tradition with confession is this idea that god

00:53:39.940 doesn't command us to never ever sin that's an impossibility for man as he exists today but he does command

00:53:48.580 us to take responsibility for our sins and to not glorify them do you have thoughts on this simone

00:53:53.460 no that just it seems so much more practical than other interpretations of sin that i've seen just

00:54:03.220 don't do it ever or if you do it you'll be paying it off for hundreds of thousands in all sin that you

00:54:10.980 have because that means people to build these cognitive dissonance where they're like i'm sinless or i don't

00:54:16.260 sin therefore if i'm doing something it must not be a sin yeah or there's no point in trying

00:54:22.660 to not sin or i'll just ask for forgiveness later none of those systems seem to make sense in the

00:54:28.660 same way of always sharpening oneself in the direction of one's inherently deepest values and

00:54:35.380 especially this orientation toward building a better future it's such a better north star than just here

00:54:40.660 are all these various rules don't do this don't do that yes i like that about this alcohol is a sin

00:54:46.100 exercising too little is a sin exercising too much is a sin playing video games is a sin so many

00:54:52.660 things can be sins right and you should expect to do them because you are human right but just don't

00:55:00.500 glorify them don't be like i'm amazing because i'm so good at video games right yeah if it's not

00:55:06.260 making the world better heating heating your house in the winter is a sin if you can live without it and your

00:55:09.940 kids can be healthy without it it's a sin and uh the left loves to demonize because they demonize us

00:55:16.260 for all the areas in which you practice austerity any form of uh austerity they're like how dare you

00:55:22.500 live without here or here i should just note that people think we don't heat our house at all that's

00:55:28.660 literally not possible for you to do if you live in a region that freezes because your pipes will burst so

00:55:33.860 we just don't we don't go excessively high with our heat like most people do but we do actually

00:55:38.980 have to heat our house a little bit yeah fascinating and i hear i talk a little bit about

00:55:45.700 this i think that this is psychologically healthy for kids i don't come when i'm thinking of an idea

00:55:50.100 like i i would not choose any theological idea that i didn't think also had a secular motivation for

00:55:55.700 it turns out that the secular motivations are always backed by the theology that that austerity

00:56:00.580 is commanded of us by god but and you can find thousands of lines from any of the true revelations

00:56:06.260 that that will talk about this but i also think that it's psychologically healthy for kids i think

00:56:11.060 when you don't expose kids to negative stimuli growing up whether that's discipline like corporal

00:56:15.780 punishment or austerity like heating then they become hypersensitive to negative stimuli and i think

00:56:21.220 that this is where you get things like trigger warnings and stuff like that where they spiral into

00:56:25.220 depression where they can't handle their anxiety and where they have it's like someone who

00:56:30.020 has never been sick before uh you then get the tiniest cold and instantly die because

00:56:39.300 exactly the way maybe a people group that had no immunity to something but yes yeah i'm thinking

00:56:43.620 more of when europeans came to north america brought a bunch of diseases that no one had ever been exposed

00:56:49.300 to i think that the human body when exposed to anything that it is not used to yeah with like

00:56:55.380 for example if you um suddenly lift something that you've never lifted before and you're using a set of

00:56:59.620 muscles you don't know how to use you're gonna pull out your back whereas someone who's regularly

00:57:04.020 lifting things say they're moving for sorry say they're working for a moving company their muscles

00:57:08.340 are accustomed to this they know how to lift the thing they can deal with that stressor so the human

00:57:12.660 body works like that with mental things too and i love that about the yeah well and we have found

00:57:18.660 and people think that like when we're giving our kids austerity or we're giving them some form of

00:57:22.180 controlled hardship that this is lowering their quality of life and yet these people

00:57:26.740 are on however many drugs just to get through the day they are seeing a psychologist regularly they

00:57:32.500 are barely mentally holding it together and i'm like i am pretty certain having started my career

00:57:37.540 in neuroscience that we are actually causing our kids to experience less overall suffering in their

00:57:42.740 lives by not shirking from our responsibility as parents which is to not just give them a perfect

00:57:49.780 childhood existence but to discipline them and give them trials and give them hardships and

00:57:54.740 expose them to hardship so that they do not become oversensitive to it as adults and spiral out of

00:57:59.700 control when they experience it so next fascinatingly when i examined the life of one would read in this

00:58:09.620 new context it is almost blindingly obvious he was meant to be a prophet he completed trials he was a

00:58:15.940 paragon of the values our faith teaches while in africa he was captured and made a slave of the king of

00:58:22.420 sidwa of falaba king sidwa put reed under conditions of unimaginable physical and mental hardship giving him

00:58:32.980 four grueling tasks every day he completed these tasks with a plum showing king sidwa such mental

00:58:40.100 fortitude and self-discipline that he was released he showed an ethical understanding far

00:58:45.700 beyond his time in writing what the fate of the newly freed african american slaves in america should

00:58:51.780 be experience has shown that whatever aliens are treated as citizens they become citizens whatever

00:58:59.620 may be their religion or their race it is a mistake to suppose that the civilized black american calls

00:59:06.660 himself an african and pines to return to his ancestral land if he was born in the states he calls himself an

00:59:14.900 american he speaks with an american accent he loves and hates with an american heart that's

00:59:20.980 that's so modern sounding like imagine like joseph smith saying something like that i really admire

00:59:27.220 when would read as a person for what he fought for in his time period almost in direct contrast to

00:59:32.580 mormon prophets like joseph fielding smith who said quote if evolution is true the church is false

00:59:39.300 in quote i know that is not uh when would read corresponded with darwin during the writing of

00:59:46.100 the descent of man and is considered one of its contributors finally you might say if one would

00:59:51.460 read is so smart why was he not recognized as such in his time to which i would direct you to a quote

00:59:57.940 you yourself may have read if you have read the sherlock home books in which sherlock says to watson

01:00:03.860 let me recommend this book one of the most remarkable ever penned it is when would read the

01:00:08.660 martyrdom of man end quote yes canonically the martyrdom of man is sherlock home's favorite book

01:00:16.260 or at least one of his favorite books so this is a system that sees prophecy as iterative with each

01:00:23.140 generation having a religious duty to expand their mental capacity for comprehension but if intergenerational

01:00:29.300 improvement is our mandate how can such a religious system stay intergenerationally stable how we

01:00:36.340 overcome this seeming impossibility is something in the next tract which discusses the updated index

01:00:43.780 system which is quite updated from the system that we discussed in the pragmatist guide of crafting a

01:00:47.780 religion so what are your thoughts there's nothing new to comment i can give you some other so when i

01:00:55.060 think about what we're trying to create here right i want to create a theological tradition that is

01:01:01.940 like irreverent and fun but also strictly logical and ordered i think people might think that this is

01:01:08.580 impossible when i read something like one would read in his boundless enthusiasm it really reminds me

01:01:15.220 of gurren laggin which we have noted as having like religious significant in this concept of spiral and

01:01:19.460 anti-spiral energy in many stories logic and industry and science are always cold they are vulcan like in

01:01:29.300 nature but they don't need to be in fact i would say by nature they are not if we look at the victorian

01:01:36.900 scientists with this boundless optimism for the future you can see this yeah like the pioneers of science were

01:01:44.420 curious irreverent sometimes dangerously and enthusiastic about the potentiality of reality

01:01:51.060 and even god yeah and i also want to talk here because it's weird that we have added and removed

01:01:58.020 books and people might be like why have you done that like why do you believe that judeo-christian

01:02:02.820 traditions are true but you see some books as theologically inspired and some books as not theologically

01:02:09.380 inspired and there's a few criteria we use to do this so you can look at something like the book

01:02:14.580 of revelations and one uh it was on the edge when they were confirming which books to put in and which

01:02:21.060 books not to put in in fact one group which i'll add in editing here didn't even include it i was

01:02:26.180 thinking of the ethiopian orthodox toledo church and the oriental orthodox church and actually the eastern

01:02:34.500 orthodox church while it is considered canon it is not considered part of the liturgy within the church

01:02:40.980 one mainstream christian sect doesn't even include it in their canon religious texts on top of that the

01:02:46.900 greek in it is very bad it's written by a fairly uneducated person when contrasted with the other

01:02:52.180 scriptures and this is something that was noted like by people who study the bible they're like this

01:02:56.580 is written by a dumb person but then on top of that also just you read it and it doesn't feel true

01:03:04.260 like when i read the story of adam and eve and i was like oh my god like this explains so much this

01:03:10.180 feels so deep and when i read parts of the torah i feel that way but when i read the and i think for

01:03:16.420 people like why you dismiss the kabbalah so regularly given that it's a late edition only about a thousand

01:03:20.900 years old within the jewish text for the same reason i dismiss revelation it's not like distinct to you so

01:03:25.540 i'll read some passages from revelation and you'll see what i mean when i'm like when something like

01:03:30.420 genesis can feel very awe-inspiring to me when i read it yeah so really the book of revelation feels

01:03:35.940 like a schizophrenic yelling at people in the streets so this is revelation 12. okay a great

01:03:41.380 sign appeared in heaven a woman closed with the sun was the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars

01:03:48.100 on her head she was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth then another sign

01:03:53.940 appeared in heaven an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns oh boy seven crowns

01:04:00.740 on its head its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to earth the dragon stood

01:04:07.380 in front of the woman who was about to give birth so that it might devour her child the moment he was

01:04:12.580 born she gave birth to a son a male child who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter and her

01:04:20.260 child was snatched up by god and to his throne the woman fled into the wilderness to play to a place

01:04:26.900 prepared for her by god where he might be taken care of for 1260 days then a war broke out in heaven

01:04:36.020 michael and his angels fought against the dragon and the dragon and his angels fought back but he was

01:04:41.140 not strong enough and they lost their place in the heaven oh the great dragon was hurled down that

01:04:47.780 ancient serpent called the devil or satan who leads the whole world astray he was hurled to earth

01:04:53.860 and his angels with him when the dragon saw that he had been hurled to earth he pursued the woman who

01:05:00.260 had given birth to the male child the woman was given so i think a lot of people they don't know

01:05:05.220 that this is where like the satan being an angel and going to war with god and then they're like oh that

01:05:11.620 sounds yeah michael and his angels fighting satan they're like whoa whoa there's a pregnant woman and

01:05:17.220 the satan's a dragon and he's like chasing her around and when you take out these ideas of satan

01:05:23.540 being an angel and then being cast to hell which you know you get solely from revelation which we'll

01:05:27.940 talk more about later satan makes a lot more sense of the character which we'll talk about in future

01:05:32.340 tracks but anyway when the dragon saw that he had been hurled to earth he pursued the woman who had

01:05:36.660 given birth to the male child the woman was given the two wings of a great eagle so that she might fly

01:05:42.100 to the place prepared for her in the wilderness where she would be taken care of for a time time

01:05:47.060 and half a time out of the serpent's reach then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river

01:05:52.580 to overtake the woman and keep her away with the torrent but the earth helped the woman by opening its

01:05:58.740 mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of its mouth then the dragon was enraged at the

01:06:05.140 the woman and went off to wage a war against the rest of her offspring those who kept god's

01:06:10.660 commandments and hold fast their testimony about jesus this is imbrov gone terribly wrong there is

01:06:18.580 way too much yes ending going on here please prove to say something to me not here to talk to them

01:06:26.500 you are the hand chosen by the master yours is the sword of michael you have an art tract when we

01:06:35.620 talk about the three faiths like policyism mysticism and monotheism and i'm like sometimes you can see

01:06:40.980 that accidentally of course it would happen but you have a true face sometimes they accidentally

01:06:45.300 confirm a book that's from another tradition this is very clearly policyist this is like popol vu people

01:06:51.860 don't know when i'm comparing things with popol vu it's like the mayan bible you can read it if you want

01:06:55.700 to get a good it's a very good example of what policyist traditions are like but you'll also

01:07:00.820 get stories like this if you read like ancient sumerian myths or if you read uh a lot of early

01:07:06.660 native american myths where it's like the next insane thing happened or like ancient greek myths oh

01:07:11.860 that god's head was hit and then it split open and then his daughter came out and then they made friends

01:07:17.300 and then he was chased by a dragon and then she hit the dragon and from his head split water and like

01:07:24.740 it's very clearly polytheist and not nature and i think that if you are monotheist and you read from

01:07:31.060 a policyist tradition that's not based on logic and order and god's what you're like oh this is

01:07:35.540 clearly something different and that's what i use when i am disconfirming certain judeo-christian texts

01:07:41.860 in a way that people might and keep in mind we're not saying everyone in our faith has to do this you get

01:07:45.940 to choose your own canon within this system when i think that the correct canons will be chosen by god

01:07:51.060 in the groups that succeed in the groups that fail however i think that we need to be more uh

01:07:57.060 questioning of the staff that had been in the temple for hundreds of years we need to say

01:08:03.060 sometimes i know that this tradition has antiquity and i know that the traditional turk body say that

01:08:08.580 this is okay but this looks like idolatry this smells like idolatry and i think this is idolatry and

01:08:14.580 that we know from the tradition like our traditions that we are commanded to do that sometimes and i

01:08:19.780 read something like the book of revelations and i'm like oh this is a crazy person yelling at people

01:08:24.500 on the streets i mean and if you grew up in the christian tradition you may not feel that way you

01:08:28.660 may read this and be like oh yeah of course i knew about the pregnant woman and the numbers and the

01:08:34.020 a thousand two hundred and sixty days and the but i think that this leads to the temptations

01:08:40.100 of things like neurology and other forms of trying to divine the future using god's message instead of

01:08:50.260 which can lead to hugely deleterious outcomes when it's not just plainly laid out when people use this

01:08:55.460 and they're like oh the bible is true because i can find like x correlations here and then i'm

01:08:59.220 contrasting it with what like when would read who's oh yeah here this is exactly what's going to happen

01:09:03.460 this is going to be he even goes into oh once we can create meat in a lab we're going to and i'll

01:09:08.420 include the quote here we're going to look down on the people who used to eat meat but people should

01:09:12.740 not look down on us for eating meat uh because they're living with the technology that we didn't

01:09:17.540 have access to so they can't fully understand why we lived life the way we live life yeah the line

01:09:22.420 here is in specific reference to that you blessed ones who shall inherit the future age of which we

01:09:27.300 can only dream you pure radiant beings who shall succeed us on earth when you turn back your eyes on

01:09:32.260 us poor savages grubbing in the ground for our daily bread eating flesh and blood dwelling in

01:09:37.780 vile bodies which degrade us every day to a level with the beast tortured by pains and by animal

01:09:43.940 propensities buried in gloomy superstitions ignorant of nature which yet holds us in her bonds when you

01:09:49.860 read of us in books when you think of what we are and compare us with yourselves remember that it is

01:09:55.460 to us you owe the foundation of your happiness and grandeur to us who now in our libraries and

01:10:00.820 laboratories and star towers and dissecting rooms and workshops are preparing the materials of the

01:10:06.020 human growth and keep in mind he's saying this in the context of the prediction and thirdly the

01:10:11.620 manufacture of flesh and flour from the elements by a chemical process in the laboratory similar to that

01:10:16.980 which is now performed within the bodies of animals and plants and so we would say if there is a

01:10:22.020 religious mandate around food for this religious sect i would say it's that once lab-grown meat

01:10:28.900 is widely available that you are mandated to use it rather than factory farm foods and i think that's

01:10:33.860 true about so many things as like technology progresses but do you have any final thoughts

01:10:38.580 do you disagree with me about saying i do not think the book of revelations is inspired by god

01:10:44.100 it just yeah i i really struggle with this because it's so tempting to say that the bible just is the

01:10:57.940 bible but it's not it's not like everything in there has been equally vetted it's not like everything in

01:11:02.820 there is of a good source and just people looking at just people looking at the new testament and looking

01:11:07.220 at stories of jesus can find all of these conflicting reports it's very clear and even

01:11:13.700 biblical scholars will agree that not everything in the bible is accurate and that you're going to

01:11:18.580 get differing accounts of the same events like with jesus riding the donkey in and like sometimes

01:11:24.580 it's one donkey and sometimes it's two donkeys and he's straddling the donkey like two donkeys and

01:11:28.980 all these things are happening and so i i it's hard for me to say we believe in going to primary

01:11:34.020 sources but then it also seems it seems disingenuous to me that people can be like oh i i read the

01:11:39.300 primary source but also i decide what is primary source right that seems wrong but i also know that

01:11:44.980 we have no other choice when the primary source is comprised of corrupted materials so i guess that's

01:11:51.060 what makes me uncomfortable to me the primary source was jesus is jesus and we don't have direct

01:11:57.620 writings from jesus exactly yeah but then what about the old testament we don't have any

01:12:01.620 aside from god so a lot of people are going to turn to the to like personal revelation and and

01:12:07.140 praying directly to god and then god tells you but that's not right to us i think even in the old

01:12:11.540 testament some policyism gets written in i can read some like jewish writings that are quite old and

01:12:16.500 i'm like this is clearly polytheism and i think it's important that we know now that 50 of of early

01:12:22.900 israel dna came from the canaanite pre-existing population so when we hear about the evils of

01:12:30.340 baal and baalite worship and this alternate system of worship that we that we understand that

01:12:39.700 it is likely that it got worked into jewish writings that and and that later when the early christians

01:12:45.780 were around they were not actually primarily converting jews i think as many scholars know

01:12:50.420 they were the early christians were predominantly converted from pagan communities so of course they're

01:12:55.780 going to bring some of these ideas from these early pagan communities into christianity and it's

01:13:00.500 up to us to be vigilant is this a pagan writing or is this a monotheistic writing is this policyism or

01:13:06.740 monotheism is this mysticism or monotheism and i think it's not one of those vague things like

01:13:12.420 when you read it i think it's pretty obvious to me at least oh yeah this is not the same kind of

01:13:17.940 thing of the monotheistic writings i think god further inscribes this for us by making sure that we know that

01:13:25.140 it was written by somebody uneducated who didn't appear to speak greek very well who doesn't appear

01:13:29.300 fully literate so that it's easy for us to be like okay like if god's inspiring something he's at least

01:13:35.540 making sure the language is like good like the person a broad grasp of at least their culture's idea

01:13:43.460 um what something intelligent would look like maybe i yeah i i feel so uncomfortable with any of these

01:13:51.780 things but in the end i think what we've taken away personally and what i feel comfortable with

01:13:58.180 is that we have established our standard of evidence for what we believe and we've received

01:14:06.020 an abundance of evidence encouraging us to lean in a certain direction of faith that fits our particular

01:14:12.260 criteria so we'd be dumb to follow through with it basically and i think everyone has to do that with

01:14:19.140 their own standards of evidence in their own faith and this is the other thing i'd mention for people

01:14:23.860 is that faith is ultimately a choice that's what i think many atheists don't get about faith yeah you

01:14:28.740 can look at evidence and it can confirm the things that you're like i i can't explain this easily in

01:14:33.700 other ways and i find this a unique kind of miracle to me when i look at all of these predictions when i

01:14:40.580 look at finding things in the bible and the quran i didn't expect in the torah i didn't expect because

01:14:45.700 it wasn't the stories i was told to me it feels like such an impossible thing that it is confirming

01:14:52.900 for me right and it leads me to then choose to have faith and that and to believe that the earlier

01:15:01.620 instead of what i had originally done which is saying i'm creating what i thought of as a new

01:15:05.380 religious system it's more of just a different sect of christianity that's like techno puritanism is an

01:15:12.260 evolution of early puritanism and not even that deranged in evolution when you contrast it was

01:15:19.540 like scott alexander's puritan spotting piece and you're like oh like puritans have been doing this a

01:15:24.740 long time the early puritans would always try to rewrite the bible to be more in line with science

01:15:30.100 and i think that they were fundamentally wrong-headed in that endeavor i think that the bible was

01:15:33.460 fundamentally true and any efforts to rewrite it are inaccurate but i i do think that it does need to be

01:15:39.140 like we do need to be scrupulous when we're choosing which texts we think are inspired by god

01:15:43.860 and which are not and which lives are inspired by god and which are not and so that's the way i approach

01:15:49.140 it and it has given me this religion that like i believe very strongly but i think a lot of people

01:15:55.460 don't realize how fanatically strongly i believe this now and it's very easy to for me because it has

01:16:03.300 improved my quality of life so much but i don't do it because it's improved my quality of life and i don't

01:16:08.580 even do it because i think like this evidence i can't explain another way it seems to point to it

01:16:13.060 i do it because i've chosen to do it yeah but all those other ancillary benefits i think help which

01:16:20.180 is how you end up having people who join religions where they start off being very skeptical if not

01:16:28.580 outright non-believers right they're like this is just this is not for me whatever i'm just going to go

01:16:32.820 ahead and do this but then i'm going to choose to lean into it because maybe my spouse has leaned into

01:16:37.540 this or i've just decided this seems to be better for the community and it's better for me and then

01:16:43.700 i don't know there's i think there is a compounding effect like sometimes just surrendering yourself and

01:16:48.500 i think people talk about this a lot with faith it's a lot like surrendering yourself to that doctrine

01:16:56.020 or that religion of letting go then leads to all these ancillary benefits then leads to what either

01:17:03.460 it could be referred to as confirmation bias or finding all the connected dots and realizing that

01:17:10.020 the evidence is actually strong and maybe you really should believe i don't really know

01:17:14.820 i don't think it really matters if ultimately it's correct if you have chosen it from a place of

01:17:23.700 conviction and for good reasons like you've done your work you haven't just randomly chosen a societal

01:17:29.140 default or something that was right in front of you and you choose to surrender to it and it produces

01:17:33.700 good results for your life and those in your life then great like it doesn't matter if it's true or not

01:17:39.380 it matters if all those other conditions are set yeah and i'd also like to at the final here explain why

01:17:46.900 i settled on techno puritanism for the name of this you should probably buy that url before this episode

01:17:52.980 goes live but the reason i decided on techno puritanism is that

01:18:01.220 one i wanted to connect it to earlier christian traditions and i think that many people have in

01:18:05.700 their mind what a puritan is aesthetically speaking right so it gives you something that

01:18:12.020 you can visualize it's not a holistically positive image i look at the uh videos that

01:18:16.260 people make to make fun of puritans and i'll put in some here this is just a date not

01:18:21.220 a wedding auction what's a date it's where you invite someone to do an activity so you can get

01:18:25.940 to know them better you know what that sounds like it sounds like it's not the devil's work

01:18:30.340 i was going to say it sounds like a waste of money jedediah women like romance not being compared to

01:18:35.140 livestock i see roses are red violets are blue both are useless plant some wheat your views on women are

01:18:41.380 extremely antiquated yeah let me guess you'll only be happy if your future wife bears you a son

01:18:46.580 actually i would prefer a daughter really yes because suffering is good for the soul you cannot

01:18:52.580 tempt an iron heart iron can weaken with the rust of pride for certain

01:19:00.180 and what shall i call this embodiment of virtue virtue come again virtue obedience hawkins good name no

01:19:08.100 doubt names do not carry us to the golden gates for certain gonna have a bonfire out back eat some

01:19:13.460 small your thirst for some more will ultimately give you some less and you will be consumed upon the

01:19:19.540 bonfire of vanity i am never alone in the company of men come in silence

01:19:30.020 a sage choice which will make our gathering a blessed evening i will be gone by evening those who

01:19:36.100 caught when the sun descends caught the devil's design for certain ah yes i could not agree more

01:19:43.700 how dare you express enjoyment my deepest apologies the pain purifies my predilection for pleasure

01:19:50.500 your alliteration sounds dangerously like poetry my apologies strike me silence

01:19:57.860 i apologize for this unholy demonstration of passion this deserves the cleansing ritual of stoning

01:20:04.340 will you stone me with the stone of justice no i will use mercy

01:20:09.940 you brought your own stone the traits that they're making fun of them for are traits i want to

01:20:16.660 re-establish within our civilization and i think that we are lesser for having lost

01:20:21.060 and the puritan vision of this utopian city on a hill i think it's something that we can bring back

01:20:26.900 you know combine the victorian scientist it was this endless hope for the future with strict puritan

01:20:36.020 ideals and aesthetics that's what i mean when i combine these two words and i thought of other

01:20:40.260 words like new wave puritanism or neo puritanism and whether either there might be other movements

01:20:45.540 that sort of talk about these ideas which i don't like stepping on something else there but they also

01:20:51.380 are just too conventional of names and i also wanted the name to be a little silly as i said i want it to

01:20:57.140 be irreverent and passionate i want it to be something because i think that's something that

01:21:04.500 religion has lost a little bit if you read the old testament there's lots of like sex jokes in it

01:21:12.020 talking about like people's feet which were often meant to be on like the side of it is meant to be

01:21:16.180 a standard for like genitals and like in various parts there are really like lots of sex jokes in the

01:21:20.900 old testament and we've gotten away from that even the bible has sex jokes and a lot of people don't know

01:21:26.020 this like dating jokes but like jesus at the well was meant to be a joke there was this convention of

01:21:31.460 stories at the time when a husband would meet his wife at the well and when jesus goes to the well and

01:21:37.780 meets a woman he gives her the water of everlasting life everyone would have thought that was hilarious

01:21:43.060 because it's turning this sexual story on its head and we have forgotten that everything's become

01:21:48.020 too solemn and too beautiful and this is what i mean like one of the the fears i have around like

01:21:53.380 the aesthetics of beauty in these traditions um drowning out i think the i do think to an extent

01:22:02.900 like when you have this grandeur like when you walk in to this great grand cathedral it can feel

01:22:09.460 awe-inspiring and it can have you feel minute but at the same time that in a way it makes you feel under

01:22:18.100 god right uh not not oppressed by god but you can feel his presence it removes you from the personal

01:22:28.260 relationship with faith and life that you can gain from not taking things so seriously um and i think you

01:22:37.140 need this absolutely massive rigid seriousness combined with freedomality um which i think is possible and i

01:22:46.820 yeah that's something i really want to elevate with these terms and when people are like the puritans

01:22:52.900 were harsh the puritans ever punished the puritans and us yeah these are all these things that secular

01:22:56.340 society hates it hates having expectations of itself but i think we should as a community have expectations

01:23:02.580 of ourselves i have expectations of myself i have expectations of you and my expectations of the

01:23:07.300 family and if somebody else decided to to follow this i'd have expectations of them too and i also really outsourcing this to an

01:23:14.020 external profit like i really don't want to be seen as somebody who has any sort of special access to

01:23:20.020 to revelation or knowledge or anything like that because i think that when you do that with somebody

01:23:25.140 who's currently alive you allow for huge potential for negative externality and because who knows what

01:23:31.460 i do who knows if i go crazy etc but being able to do that with somebody who's already long dead you know

01:23:36.100 the extent of how crazy we can go and we're looking to our profit and trying to interpret from him so i would see

01:23:40.740 what i'm doing as maybe a bit more extreme than what some no more extreme than what joseph smith

01:23:46.740 did for sure and maybe a bit more extreme than something like calvin or martin luther or a few

01:23:53.540 other people did but i still see it as a sect and a sect of christianity specifically even though it

01:23:58.500 believes that some of the other abrahamic faiths were correct interpretations or were in some way divinely

01:24:04.900 expired specific mormonism islam christianity and judaism oh and of course seroastrianism can't

01:24:12.660 forget them i also want to note here that the goal of what we are laying out here is a system that is

01:24:20.820 more in line with early puritanism than many of the new religious sects that are created by a single

01:24:28.820 individual who like lays out what's true and acts like a prophet so this would be much closer to early

01:24:34.900 anabaptism or early calvinism or puritanism which is to say that that no one individual in the movement

01:24:42.740 like myself has more access to what's true than other individuals i have just laid out a list of

01:24:47.780 sources and the way that i am relating to those sources in a way that starts a conversation of people

01:24:54.660 who want to have this sort of vitalist religiously active theological conversation because when i look

01:25:01.620 to the other religious communities the conversations i see are becoming nuanced and pedantic and nothing

01:25:08.900 like the conversations that we saw a century ago you know whether you're talking about the great

01:25:12.580 awakening or you're talking about the protestant reformation or in judaism you're talking about the

01:25:18.100 early days of the hasidic movement and even given my reservations about the early days of the hasidic

01:25:22.820 movement at least things were happening theologically back then i think that when we look at the

01:25:28.820 iterations of the judeo-christian tradition that ended up being important in the future they were

01:25:33.300 the iterations where this active and evolutionary conversation was happening and that's what i'm

01:25:40.900 looking for instead of you know what i see today in the protestant tradition which is often like

01:25:46.340 nuanced semantic and pedantic arguments about like pre-millennialism or post-millennialist

01:25:52.340 ideologies which really doesn't even matter at the end of the day uh for most people i mean we're

01:25:57.620 either in one situation or the other and isn't really going to inspire people it's just nerds fighting in

01:26:03.460 a room as a final note here while we have been asked to bring back the tracks by a lot of people

01:26:09.700 there's also a minority yet a vocal and considered minority from our perspective that would prefer we

01:26:15.700 didn't the groups that typically like the tracks are people who are culturally from the protestant

01:26:22.900 tradition the mormon tradition the jewish tradition or that have left and are angry with a christian

01:26:28.820 tradition or that grew up in a new age tradition and have since rebuked that tradition the groups that

01:26:35.300 dislike them are typically from catholic traditions and eastern orthodox traditions

01:26:40.820 the key difference between these traditions is typically how they relate to truth and i don't

01:26:45.940 think that one is is better than the other i mean uh for example the way that catholics relate to

01:26:50.660 truth you know when we're talking to them is really nerdy in a way that i can respect they're like oh

01:26:54.500 well you know we can't trust this source because you know they mispronounced this went to a protestant

01:26:59.380 like mispronunciation means literally nothing it's it's it's an athetic preference or they uh you know

01:27:05.460 don't haven't read this book or haven't read this philosopher or don't you know this and and antiquity

01:27:12.020 philosopher and uh you know to people the other they're like why would i care about that why why would

01:27:17.300 i care what i care about is what's true not like what um fulfills some aesthetic threshold before it

01:27:23.860 enters the vocabulary of truth and i think that that's fine that's fine it's it's just not going

01:27:30.180 to be appealing to you it's it's not for you and not every theological thing needs to be for every

01:27:35.620 person you know as uh winwood reed said our goal is not to replace religion but find something that

01:27:41.540 works for the people who today have none thank you for sharing that we're back to the tracks they're

01:27:47.220 back guys after so many and i would not have gone back to them had so many people not told me to do

01:27:52.660 them so if you like this you really need to encourage us because i am deathly embarrassed

01:27:58.020 doing this i do not like when i was little i joked about the idea of oh i'll start like a cult or

01:28:05.540 whatever that can help people like unlock themselves and blah blah blah and but i never really wanted the

01:28:11.780 responsibility of doing that yeah it's not the person i want to be exactly but i feel called to do it so

01:28:19.620 here's how i look at it at the very least we know that we need to give our kids a shot at a culture

01:28:26.980 that gives them mental fortitude in this world and none of the existing cultures as they exist now

01:28:35.540 as good as many may be are capable of imparting mental fortitude in an age of globalization and skinner

01:28:42.660 box based phone apps and games and shows and at the very least i want to give our kids a good shot

01:28:50.820 and i want to give them a culture that imparts fitness so i'm glad that at least you're sharing

01:28:58.100 this with us in a base level of mental health which is a base level of mental health so i say

01:29:04.100 let's go for it i know that they'll iterate on it if they use it at all in a way that makes it a lot

01:29:10.820 better and we're depending on that so you have to start somewhere and sucking is the first step of

01:29:16.900 getting good at something dude sucking at something is the first step towards being sort of good at

01:29:22.500 something yeah that's what we're doing but no you're absolutely right and and i guess it was the

01:29:26.900 agents of providence that had me go to this conference that had the people tell me you have

01:29:30.180 to create more tracks you have to create more tracks i didn't know that it was what our fans liked

01:29:34.100 i'd gotten emails to that extent i'd seen it on the discord but we also get a lot of critical

01:29:38.660 emails every time we do one of these so i was just like why bother i think it really comes down to

01:29:44.820 whether you are in a religion that is what you'd call the pragmatist guide to crafting religion

01:29:52.020 symbiotic or domineering meaning you believe if you're as part of a religious sect or following that

01:29:59.780 is trying to save everyone and that believes that those who do not hold your views are going to go

01:30:04.660 to hell if they don't change to your views then you're probably going to find this quite offensive

01:30:10.020 if you are of a religious subset of chosen people or limited atonement where basically just by design

01:30:17.700 not everyone is going to be saved not everyone is going to be special some people just aren't part of

01:30:23.300 the group and there's nothing you can do about it then you'll at best or at worst just find us very

01:30:29.140 entertaining as people who are just wrong but wrong in an entertaining way that isn't a problem for you

01:30:34.180 because you don't have to save us or intriguing enough to potentially join because maybe this is

01:30:40.340 the right club and i think that's what it comes down to everyone who really finds these offensive finds it

01:30:45.620 offensive because um we are going to go to hell for not joining the correct group does that make sense

01:30:55.060 yeah and i'd also say for people who look at this and they're like oh you've made up these like

01:31:00.500 non-biblical holidays and you're like practicing christmas was like santa claus or like easter was

01:31:05.540 like an easter bunny you're doing the same thing just because something is culturally normative doesn't

01:31:09.780 mean it's biblical and if somebody wants to follow this tradition like while we have made it for

01:31:15.460 our kids i've begun to become more okay with the idea that other people who don't really see a

01:31:22.340 religion that compels them in the world today might think that this is a compelling system and like we

01:31:28.180 have no no problem with that our kids will need people to marry after all and yeah i have no problem

01:31:33.300 with that but my goal is absolutely i believe very strongly in limited atonement which we'll talk about

01:31:39.220 in other tracks but that is to say that this is a non-proselytizing religious system yep cool thanks

01:31:49.780 again malcolm and i love you and i appreciate you willing to embrace the cringe embrace the cringe

01:31:55.300 path through to the other side yes

01:31:57.300 a citizen has the courage to make the safety of the human race their personal responsibility

01:32:08.020 attract imitating one of our sons because he likes to crack eggs and he says it cracked

01:32:15.780 they're cracked they're cracked how does toasty get all the best lines

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Based Camp - June 14, 2024

Tract 6： Why we believe in a TechnoPuritan God

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