Based Camp - September 19, 2023＂Trad Wives＂ are Worse Than THOTs
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In this episode, we talk about why women are not happy in the world that feminism has created for them, and why we should go back to a world where women were happier before feminism. We also talk about the impact of feminism on women's mental health.
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I show all this video or photos of them making pies at home and living in a very cottagecore way
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and like doing, hanging up laundry to air dry and picking mushrooms. And they're these women,
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for the most part, like I get this like really visceral reaction to these because the lives that
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these women are living are lives of complete leisure and luxury. Like they think that what
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they're doing is becoming a trad wife when really what they're doing is becoming a trophy wife. And
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what they don't realize is that the men that they're marrying can't afford that. A man who
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has a trophy wife really basically should be independently wealthy. Every time you see one
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of these women who is indulging in this quote unquote trad lifestyle, you also see a man
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who's off camera, who's secretly working to afford all of this and is sacrificing to afford all of
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this. And yet the woman is acting as if she is the one making a sacrifice living in this.
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Hello, Simone. This is one where I had sort of a concept for a video and she didn't want
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to talk too much about it beforehand because she's like, oh, I want to be surprised.
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Well, we were talking, you know, in reference to the Barbie movie that it's very clear that
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the women are not happy in the world that they have created. In the world that feminism created
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for women, it appears that this new model doesn't work and women are living really systemically
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unhappy lives based on how, how feminized they've made the world. There's some great statistics
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on this as well that I might be able to put on state screen showing that generally the
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more a woman buys into feminism or the more that she lives in a feminist environment, the
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less happy she will be. And that over time, women's happiness has been going down as the number
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of, well, as, as feminism has won more and more victories in our society.
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It's happiness or maybe it's just mental health problems.
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I think it's just rates of mental health problems, which of course is like primarily depression,
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like, but it's not just happiness. It's like all sorts of bad things. So I think it's,
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Oh yeah, no, it's women's happiness. It's declining over time.
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Yeah. But I think if you also look at rates of, of women's mental health, that mental
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health liberals and conservatives, especially among women.
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Yes. It's, it's, it's really terrible. This world is uniquely bad for women more worse than
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it was when women have less rights. When I say less rights, I don't mean like 1950s, I'm
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talking like 1980s. Right. And that is fascinating.
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I see. I don't, I don't, first off, I want to push back a little bit and say, I don't think
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this is about rights. I think this is about like cultural expectations and quotas and
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things like that. Like, I think that it's very important that men and women are treated
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equally under the wall, but I'm sorry, under the law. But actually right now, of course,
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men are not treated equally under the law. Men are much more at risk, for example, in divorces
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with child custody, et cetera. So I don't even think that it's like equality that the problem
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Rights are responsibilities. We have pointed out multiple times
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on the show that when people experience a post-scarcity environment, then we assume
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they would indulge in hedonism, but instead the most frequent thing is they indulge in
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self-victimization because that removes responsibility from them. And the thing that people hate most
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is responsibility. And as rights changed, as it became possible for women to work and compete
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with men in the workplace, then became the expectation for every woman that she does.
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In addition to other things that she wants to do with her life. And biologically,
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women are just going to be more driven to do things like want to have kids and stuff like that
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and feel it harder when they don't do those things. So in ignoring the biology yet giving equal
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expectations. Now, here's where we come in and we have a very different take than I think
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traditional conservatives. I think a lot of people, they want to go back to maybe the way things
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were before women's rights, before all of this. And yet I do not think that world was either
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efficacious or an ideal world for women. I think that it was worse than less ideal. I just think
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it was a pretty shitty world for women. If you go back 1920s, you know, 1850s, terrible place.
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I would not want that for my daughters. But then the question becomes, what does a stable vision
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for femininity look like? What's the way that our family is handling the different roles that men
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and women have? Because men and women do have different biologies, different sociologies. And I
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mean, biology is even in the brain. And this causes them to act in systemically different ways. And when
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you apply an exactly equal system to them, apparently just doesn't work very well. However,
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if you apply a horrifically unequal system, I also don't think it works very well. And when we look at
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some of the aspirational messages that are set up for women, this is one of the things you were talking
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about, which is in a big way, people misunderstand that a stay at home wife is a trophy wife. Can you
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talk a bit to what you're saying? Yeah. I mean, so I would, I would argue that many of also like
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the trad feminist caricatures I see online, I mean, I don't think they think that they're
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caricatures, but they are, are also like inherently unsustainable and worse off. So I've seen like on
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Instagram, for example, like plenty of like little videos or photos of, of with texts saying things
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along the lines of, oh, like I, I turned away from the original feminist dream and went, you know,
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back to being a mother and a homemaker. And they show all this video or photos of them making pies
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at home and living in a very cottage core way and like doing, hanging up laundry to air dry and like
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picking mushrooms. And they're these women for the most part, like I get this like really visceral
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reaction to these because the lives that these women are living are lives of complete leisure and luxury.
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Like they think that what they're doing is becoming a trad wife when really what they're doing is
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becoming a trophy wife. And what they don't realize is that the men that they're marrying
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can't afford that a man who has a trophy wife really basically should be independently wealthy.
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Like there should be no risk that like, oh, well, okay, we're a single income family. Like if I lose my
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income, then we're totally screwed. So basically if you are dependent on an income, you cannot afford to
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have a trophy wife or trophy husband for that matter. And the fact that these women are, I think
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to a certain extent, like it's, it's just as bad as feminists who are sort of like goading their
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husbands into being a sole breadwinner in a family and in an economy that doesn't support sole breadwinner
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families anymore. This is fascinating. So what you're describing here behind every, every time you see
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one of these women who is indulging in this quote unquote trad lifestyle, you also see a man
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who's off camera, who's secretly working to afford all of this and is sacrificing to afford all of
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this. And yet the woman is acting as if she is the one making a sacrifice, living in this abundant
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leisure. And then in addition to that, they're acting, they're not only acting like they're making
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a sacrifice. They act like they're being imminently humble and, and like imminently subservient.
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Yeah. And in the end, like they are becoming a complete dependent on someone else financially
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and, and basically living a luxury life, ordering that the other person around essentially spending
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their money. Oh yeah. And they're like, this is sort of the way they approach the financial state
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of the family. Yet what they're doing when they do that, it's not like money becomes less important
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to living the lifestyle that they and their kids are living. They are just 100% putting that
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responsibility on the man. Yeah. And actually, you know, that's not even like traditional in many
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housewife cultures. So I don't know if you, you knew about this, but there was this, this phenomenon
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actually, like at some point in, in modern trading markets where Japanese housewives who traditionally
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are the ones to manage all family finances, like the husbands make the money, but the housewives,
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you know, and this is a culture that supports single breadwinner families. The housewives would manage
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the money. And during periods, of course, when interest rates were totally gone in Japan,
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right. We're like, literally their money was losing value. If it was sitting in a savings account,
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all these, these housewives, like learned how to make shit tons of money on the stock market.
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And they were doing very, very sophisticated trades. And they were like two levels of this.
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There's a really interesting YouTube video about this. Actually.
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We'll talk about this. What I find interesting continue. We were going to say something.
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Well, my point is that like, even the fact that they're like, money's not my thing. They just put
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so much on their husbands and we've met husbands who've like been like, well, you know,
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like kids are going to college now and like have to pay for the nannies. And like, you know, I just,
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so I have to make this new job work. And like, we can feel the pressure. Like I, I can't deal with
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that kind of oppressive. I can't, I can't deal with it.
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We know some people who actually make this lifestyle possible for their wives who are like related to
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us. And you can see in their eyes, the weight of the world on them. And it is painful to be around
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them. Yeah. These guys, because they have their entire family is living in this like reality that
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doesn't really exist. And that they are making that illusion possible through the pressure they're
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putting on themselves. And it is almost sort of psycho and disgusting. And another thing is that
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this is not the way that families were traditionally run. We've done another video on this. Tradwives are
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progressive conspiracy. You can look it up in our history. The point being is that historically
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the roles of women, women are not the roles that they have today. They are not the roles that they
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have in a nuclear family, nuclear families, the idea of like a husband working to earn all the money
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for the family that really didn't start until the 1920s. And it really ended as something popular in
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the 1970s. And even from the twenties to the seventies, it was only in to upper class American families
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only. And America had a uniquely good economy during that period. Cause it was basically
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stealing the rest of the world's money after a period of war. Like it had a cheesed economy at
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the expense of everyone else that allowed it to have just so much wealth that this insane lifestyle
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where entire families were able to live off of one person's income was feasible. And that this was
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ingrained in the public consciousness through the movies and sitcoms that were produced in the 1950s,
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but it is certainly not an actual traditional way of doing anything. The actual traditional way
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with the corporate family, which we talk about in that, if you want to go into that. But the point
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being is, is this illusion of the housewife is totally predatory, but it's also bad for the woman.
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So everything here, we've been talking about how the woman is like living in this illusion that she's
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created for herself and this indulgence, but it completely depowers the woman, especially when the
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kids leave the house. When the kids leave the house, if you are a woman who has put
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yourself in one of these situations, why should the guy not just upgrade to a younger model?
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Why not? You have nothing. You bring nothing. You have made yourself disposable. It is, it is only
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his good graces and kindness that is keeping you around. And historically, if we lived in like a stable
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cultural institution, there would have been societal pressures forcing him to stay married to you,
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but those don't exist. All you get now is alimony, which is, I guess, something, but it's,
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it's certainly not a safe place to be in if he has a solid prenup and you live in a place that supports
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that. So not a great situation for these women either. Long-term. I mean, it's a, it's a great
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sort of short-term indulgence where they can get famous on TikTok before they're disposed of,
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but it's a, it's a bad, I think it's just sort of bad all around. But then we have this problem in
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our society where when people look at what women are, like, like the ideal woman in our society,
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it's the woman that sells. The woman that sells, like, this is what companies are going to use to
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sell things. This is what's going to be on billboards. This is what's going to be on billboards.
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Your average man from a biological perspective is going to be looking for a woman that looks like
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she can produce a lot of kids. And that typically means young and without kids already. Whereas
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cultures, like long striving historic cultures, they work through rewarding mothers and motherhood
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and, and being a good wife. But when I talk to many, you know, people in sort of the tribe community
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and stuff like that, their ideal woman is almost sort of based on the stereotype progressives have
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of conservative cultures than what most actual conservative cultures would have as their ideal
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woman. You know, they are looking for this hot, submissive woman that is basically a parasite
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off of them. And they have to maintain this fantasy for it just doesn't sound very nice. And so when
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people look to me and they go, why are you naming all your daughters male names? Right. But one,
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they earn more money to they do better in their careers. Like this has been done in a lot of studies,
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but three, they contextualize themselves differently. So it's been shown that women with male names,
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or gender neutral names, that they get STEM degrees at much, much higher rates. And they get liberal arts
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degrees at much, much lower rates, which I think is really fascinating. And that just shows like a
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different self-conceptualization. So what I aim for, when I'm thinking like, what is the woman's role
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in our family and within our culture? And when I've talked to other people in sort of our wider network
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of families, many of them have come to the same conception of womanhood. And I really like it,
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which is to say that the woman is the bulwark of the family, the defender of the family.
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She is in charge of the family financial stability and what goes on in the home. But the core thing
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is the financial stability where the man is the one making risky big plays that are meant to move
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the family up financial levels or are meant to advance the family in social spheres.
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Yeah. So you've got the foundation and you've got the, I guess, growth or risk or like in any
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balanced investment portfolio, you've got like CDs and savings and bonds. And then, well, at least
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before bonds were completely crazy and stupid to get. And then you have like high risk investments
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and VC and things like that. Right. Yeah. So it's a little different from how we individually do it,
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which is, I don't know. I mean, I'm, you're pretty high risk and I'm pretty stable.
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No, no, no. It is true. But I mean, because we work together, it's a little different than a lot of
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families. Yeah. When I talk to other families who do this, what is often the case is the woman
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will work like a stable nine to five job and the man will attempt to start new companies.
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Yeah. The man will attempt to run for office, you know, stuff like that. Right. Things that are
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meant to move the family up socioeconomic levels. And the model that I had in my head for this,
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I mentioned this in the other video, but it was really interesting to me when I saw this,
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because these are one, such different roles is, is shovel night. So in shovel night, it's a,
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it's this little game. It's a great game, by the way, if you haven't played it, it's a very good
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take back to the old arcade games. And throughout the game, you're playing as this character called
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shovel night, but you know that he normally works with a female character called shield night.
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And at the end of the game, you finally get to play with both of them sort of on screen.
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And his move kit or his tool kit is very limited in many ways. Like you can like do a jump when he jumps
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on an enemy and stuff like that. And immediately, as soon as shield night comes into the scene,
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all of his little moves pair so well with the way that her character works. Like now he's able to
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jump on her shield. So many things where you're like, why was he so limited in this way? You
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immediately are like, Oh, he was part of this complete whole that had a completely different
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move set, but that worked together completely synergistically. And with shovel night, you can
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almost think of it like sword night and shield night, I guess you could think of it. The idea
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being that the woman within this conception of femininity is the family's shield. She is the
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bulwark. She is tenacity incarnate, whereas the man is ambition incarnate in how he relates to the world.
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And it's this pairing of sort of, I guess, fire and earth, right? That is the way that I would
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conceptualize femininity for our kids and for our cultural group. And I think it's a very sustainable
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way to conceptualize femininity where the woman is not valued for her beauty, right? Or for her,
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and I think even worse you see in some things for her guile, you know, her sassy has become a positive
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thing to say about wives to the extent where, you know, many women try to embody sassiness when
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sassiness is often just the degradation of people around them and men around them instead of the
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fortification of men around them. And so I really like this conceptualization and we had talked a bit
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about it in one of our videos and these videos, they help me think through things, right? And so after
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talking about it, I thought about it, I talked to some other people about, like, the way our family
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sees women and men, it really began to solidify for me. And it feels very snug in my mind, this
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conception of what the man is and what the woman is in a family. Do you have thoughts on this?
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But I mean, how do you teach? Like, I guess it's-
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You know, the key feature of femininity within this model is actually endurance.
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It is endurance, constitution, tenacity. You know, as you said in your motto when I first met you,
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which I always loved, is repeated blunt force was your motto on your page and everything like that.
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And I loved that. Because it wasn't, I'm going to win in the end because I'm smarter than other
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people or I'm clever or I'm going to find some underground solution. It is, I am going to win
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because I am just going to hit my head against the wall until that wall finally breaks.
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And when I saw that, that was to many ways, like me, the ideal wife, the ideal person I wanted as a
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partner. And what's also really interesting is in this model is when the woman is sort of protecting
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the man to be able to, you know, make these thrusts at the opponent's weak points, the opponent being
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life in this point, in this context, the man can work so much more aggressively and so much with,
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Yeah. I guess what I would add to this is there are no hard and fast rules. And I think, you know,
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we, both of us know many women who would be really good, risky people in a relationship and many men
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would be really happy to be the stable one. I think a lot of it comes down to like, rather than,
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you know, necessarily all this, I would say a key to femininity and to masculinity is understanding
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where you have specialization and teaming up with someone who is a very different specialization
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to get more done than you'd ever get done on your own. I think a big part of what has been lost in
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visions of idealized masculinity or feminism, femininity is the other person. Like back to the
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trad wives that I see posting on Instagram, they don't talk about their husbands aside from like
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how I'm serving my husband and how I'm so trad. And like, you know, the relationship is not the
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point. The family is not the point. They are the point. And I think that's what we're also really
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missing is that our society is so atomized and individuality is so atomized that people don't
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realize that the point isn't to be yourself and be your best self. The point is to serve something
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larger and be a part of something bigger than yourself. But I think that's, that's a big thing
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that's missing in femininity as well, is that femininity is also about becoming, becoming your
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partner, becoming your children. And to me, before meeting you and before having children, that concept
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grates a lot. Like it is not something, you know, it's like petting a cat backwards or nails on a chalkboard.
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That is not something that like anyone raised in modern society wants. And yet it brings more
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purpose, more resolve, more ability to overcome hardship and more contentment in life than anything
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I could have imagined. So, you know, there you go. I think that's a big thing that's missing.
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Oh, that was the door opening, but that's because there's a cross breeze.
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Sorry. There's a, there's a murderer walking around our area of Pennsylvania right now.
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Anyway. So yeah, this, this, and it is interesting when people try to create iterations of femininity
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and masculinity that are almost sort of based on a, a like world that doesn't exist anymore,
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where they're like, Oh, I am the protector of the family. It's like, bro, you live in a society,
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like fam, you don't, their family does not need a constant protector anymore. That's, that's not,
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you know, you don't need to be going out and beating people up. That is not in the best interest
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of your family within this modern society. Right. Or, you know, the, the wife is supposed to,
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you know, what manage the farm. Well, you don't have a farm. Okay. You, you know, you've got to
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create an iteration that works within our existing society. And I also really love what you just said,
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which is to say that the idealized, I think many types of trad femininity or the trad wife is a
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glorification of the individual of the woman, rather than the way that she engages with and becomes a
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part of her husband and her family, which I think is the, the true side of, of, of what I would say
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an idealized marriage, which is that it is not about, and we actually, yeah, we were talking about
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this in the car and it really messed me up. You know, when I was saying, when I hear people talk
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about their relationships these days, like why they're getting in a relationship, it is about how
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it makes them feel. It's about how it helps them. They're like, what does he do to like make me feel
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good? What does he do to like help me? What does he do to, you know, what? Like, that's not the point.
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The point is how you work together for the good of the unit. Yeah. It should be, here's what we're
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doing together. Here's what we're building together. Here's our shared vision, but it's, it's yeah,
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almost never that it's, here's what he did for me. Here's this gift he got from you. Here's this
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trip we took together or this. Yeah. Not ideal. Well, I am so desperately fortunate that I live
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with a woman who helped, like it was in this iteration of femininity within, I guess I call
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it prairie wife femininity, you know, the hard farm working woman. I love it. No, because that's
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where it comes from. Right. Like, um, the, the woman who is the bulwark for the family, the one that
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allows the other family members to, to strike at life and do the types of things that I've been
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able to do. You know, people look at our lives, they go, you wrote five books in this time period
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while running a company. Like, how did you do that? I would not have had time to do that.
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Had you not provided me with stability, right? We wouldn't have time to have built the school.
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We wouldn't have time to do all of these things. Had you not provided us with stability. And I'm just
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so grateful for that. And it's a form of femininity and masculinity where both individuals have sort of
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full utility within a modern economic context. And that also really excites me. So within this
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iteration of femininity, you are the paragon. There could not be a woman better than you within this
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iteration. And I hold that as hard as anyone can hold anything. All you have, you've lost at achieving
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anything close to this. No, there are lots of women out there who do more and have more mental
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control and have also more children. So I'm just saying we could do better, but thank you, Malcolm.
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I really appreciate that. Anything also like, I think the really interesting thing that is missing
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from many men who are like, you know, where, where are all the good women? You know, where,
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where are these, you know, perfect women? They're not there. You know, I don't see any of them.
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You know, and they, they also will like try to go like they'll, what do they call it? Like passport
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dating where they'll like, go find a wife from some other culture who's like more conservative
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is they don't realize that it's up to them to be the person to bring that out in their spouse. And it's
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also up to them to create that kind of relationship. And I think a lot of men expect that they're going to
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get the kind of partner that really co-invest in life with them just out of the bag that they're
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just going to meet some woman who's like, Oh, like your vision and everything that did you think
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that's how I started out with Malcolm? Like totally not Malcolm. You, you gave, you gave us something
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to live for together. First off, you had a very inspirational vision for what life together could
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be like for what we could build together. If we really coordinated and went all in. So one,
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you, you were inspiring and you had to do that. You had to be someone with the capability of
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actually selling that story and executing on it. And then you also invested a huge amount in being
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like, no, this is not how we're going to resolve conflict in our relationship. This is not how we're
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going to do this in the relationship. Like let's do things this way. Let's do things this way. Like
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constantly, constantly correcting. And honestly, like taking the harder path many, many times when
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other guys would just be like, nah, like this isn't something I'm going to worry about.
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That, you know, what you just said is really the key. The man has to be the inspiration and the
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flame of ambition for the family, but a flame of ambition that can catch other people's excitement.
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If you are just ambitious about something that your wife has no interest in, then you are not
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providing her with any value. You need to be the type of ambitious, the type of passionate where when
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your wife sees that she gets excited in it and invested in it, and she is excited to play a role
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in seeing that realized. And if you're a guy and you're like, well, women don't do that for me.
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They're just not interested in what I'm interested in. Either you, then you might not be inspiring
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enough. And this is the key thing. When I talk about like how to be a good woman, many women will be
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like, well, I can't be like that. You know, I've got all these problems and I just want to stay at home
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and be super obese and not do anything. And it's like, well, then maybe you shouldn't be breeding.
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You know, even when we talk about like, like maybe you shouldn't have a family, maybe you won't be a
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good mom. Like maybe you are not good enough for any man to actually want and create a family with.
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And that is harsh, but it is true. We live in a world where maybe not everyone in us as per
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natalists, as people who want other people having kids, even we say, yeah, but we want like people who
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will be good parents to have tons of kids, not like your average schmo to have like one or two
00:27:21.600
kids, right? Because they'll live pretty shitty lives. But the same is true for men. Men can go
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and they can look at women and they can be like, well, you're just not really good enough for anyone
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to really want. But the same is true for men. Many men just are incapable of inspiring anyone.
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Well, but also like, I, I technically, I technically wasn't good enough for you when we met.
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Oh yeah. And I gave you metrics. I think many, many men would like, had, had they had your
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standards never would have dated me. And I think that's another thing is that many men
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won't deign to get a fixer upper wife and they just expect like someone to come out of the box
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perfect. So. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. And that's, that's absolutely true as well. So,
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you know, also you've got to, you've got to build the person, you've got to inspire the person.
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There are many things that you have to do as a man, many, many skill checks. I've been playing
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Baldur's Gate 3 recently where you may not, as it's based on the D and D system, many skill
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checks where the dice rolls may have not turned out in your favor. And we will do another video
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sometime on how to get a great wife, because I would love to sort of go through the steps
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on how to obtain that. Cause a lot of people are trying to get wives in the same, using the
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same systems that they perfected to pick up sex partners or short-term relationships.
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It's a different, different strategy, different playbook, different, totally different playbook.
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Well, that'll be fun to talk about. I'm looking forward to it, but I really enjoyed this
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conversation too, Milka. I loved this conversation. This was fantastic.
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Looking forward to our next one already. And I'm so glad that I found you the single
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most perfect woman to ever be born or exist within any timeline. I'm so glad you settled.