Based Camp - Trans People are Canonically Magical!

00:00:00.000 Malcolm, hello.

00:00:01.720 Hello.

00:00:03.320 So today we're going to talk about what,

00:00:08.440 like just sort of a discussion between us,

00:00:10.480 because this is a topic we've been diving into more recently

00:00:13.060 due to our engagement with the trans-maxing community

00:00:15.580 and other trans communities online,

00:00:17.780 is what is really causing transness.

00:00:21.400 And the reason we titled this study

00:00:23.220 Trans People Are Magical

00:00:24.400 is there is an approved answer to this question.

00:00:27.320 It is that they were born with the wrong soul.

00:00:30.000 And that they were actually born with the soul

00:00:32.200 of someone of a different gender.

00:00:33.740 The problem is we don't really believe in souls.

00:00:36.760 And even if I did, I'd be almost certain

00:00:38.300 that gender just isn't that important 1.00

00:00:40.180 to like our core identity, like our soul.

00:00:43.280 And I, and this is why we went with the title

00:00:46.400 Trans People Are Magical

00:00:47.380 because any sort of scientific explanation you try to give

00:00:52.080 or any evidence-based explanation you try to give

00:00:55.400 for what is going on socially for recent trends

00:00:58.400 within the trans community

00:01:00.060 and people who identify as trans

00:01:01.420 is considered transphobic.

00:01:04.940 In part, I don't know, because you're quantifying it.

00:01:07.460 We can talk about why all the explanations

00:01:09.180 are considered offensive.

00:01:10.200 Individually, they have reasons

00:01:11.220 they're considered offensive.

00:01:12.380 But collectively, it's almost like a topic

00:01:14.600 we're not allowed to talk about or investigate.

00:01:17.080 Right.

00:01:17.160 When it seems to me, like it should be really important

00:01:21.480 that the number of trans people has increased

00:01:23.260 something like 400% in the last decade.

00:01:26.280 That the, that the trends in who is transitioning

00:01:29.320 has changed really dramatically

00:01:30.420 where it used to be predominantly male to female

00:01:33.320 and now it's predominantly female to male

00:01:35.900 of this young age range.

00:01:37.480 And these, I think, could point to some things.

00:01:41.960 Would you like to know more?

00:01:42.920 So first, before we get any further in this,

00:01:46.920 our larger stake on gender transition

00:01:49.420 is that there are likely people transitioning

00:01:52.020 for every one of the reasons we're going to mention.

00:01:54.580 The question is, what is causing these statistical trends?

00:01:57.700 Are some of these reasons more important

00:01:59.580 than other reasons?

00:02:00.380 Are they all just contributory reasons?

00:02:02.720 Is there like one core reason?

00:02:04.960 That's a really interesting question to me.

00:02:07.280 Or we could say, we just don't have the data

00:02:09.040 to know right now because people are afraid

00:02:11.100 to collect the data because you can have your career.

00:02:13.480 Oh, people collect data,

00:02:14.600 but only for a very specific set of answers.

00:02:17.040 It's already pre-approved.

00:02:18.700 And the thing that really upsets me

00:02:21.140 about the trans data when I go over it

00:02:23.800 is you can see by the date of publication,

00:02:27.720 it will begin to trend towards

00:02:30.560 showing the pre-approved answer.

00:02:33.780 So a great example of this would be brain structures.

00:02:36.960 If you look at the earlier studies on trans people

00:02:39.880 that were using like fMRI data and stuff like that,

00:02:43.020 they would usually say,

00:02:44.380 or the ones that I'm familiar with would say,

00:02:46.380 that trans people's brains actually are more similar

00:02:49.960 to the gender they were assigned at birth

00:02:51.800 than the gender they were identifying with.

00:02:53.860 Whereas in later studies, the opposite is being said.

00:02:57.360 Like studies that were done more recently.

00:02:59.460 And unfortunately, knowing the pressures

00:03:01.480 that happened within academia,

00:03:03.080 that makes me now doubt both of those studies.

00:03:06.340 I'm like, oh, I just wish I could know

00:03:08.520 what the real answer is.

00:03:09.800 It looks like I misspoke here.

00:03:11.020 Going through the recent research,

00:03:12.720 even on Wikipedia,

00:03:13.860 which is where those studies came from

00:03:15.840 that I had put on the screen,

00:03:17.480 even the more recent research shows

00:03:19.500 that trans individuals' brains

00:03:21.580 are more similar to the gender

00:03:24.460 they were assigned at birth

00:03:25.680 to the gender they identify with.

00:03:27.560 And this makes perfect sense.

00:03:29.500 If you think about it,

00:03:30.640 you don't, when you're walking around,

00:03:32.420 see people randomly,

00:03:34.240 at least at the rates that we see

00:03:35.620 trans people in the population

00:03:36.840 get organs of a different gender.

00:03:39.460 You know, you don't see men walking around

00:03:41.680 with the skin of a woman 0.99

00:03:42.900 or the arms of a woman.

00:03:45.260 In fact, the only place where I'm really familiar

00:03:47.780 with this happening

00:03:49.140 is either in intersex individuals

00:03:52.100 or in individuals,

00:03:54.480 women specifically,

00:03:55.900 who were born with male facial hair.

00:03:58.260 And this happens at much lower rates

00:04:00.480 than transness happens within the population,

00:04:02.640 but could explain a proportion

00:04:05.620 of individuals who are born trans.

00:04:07.920 So if 5% of U.S. young adults

00:04:10.120 are identifying as trans

00:04:11.400 and about 1.5% of the population

00:04:13.780 is born intersex,

00:04:15.200 that means that this wrong brain hypothesis

00:04:17.260 would only explain about 30% of the community.

00:04:20.420 Assuming that this phenomenon appears

00:04:22.320 at about the same rate

00:04:23.380 that genitals get switched up, 1.00

00:04:25.300 but again, that seems unlikely to me

00:04:27.600 because genitals seem like really unique

00:04:29.340 why they would get switched up,

00:04:30.500 but we don't see other organs

00:04:32.100 getting switched up at this rate,

00:04:33.400 so I would say that's probably

00:04:34.260 an overestimation

00:04:35.540 of the amount of the community

00:04:37.000 that can be explained

00:04:37.880 by the wrong brain hypothesis.

00:04:39.600 Oh, and I suppose this was obvious to us

00:04:42.400 when we were recording this

00:04:43.260 and didn't point it out.

00:04:44.440 You can't just say,

00:04:45.020 well, they're transitioning

00:04:46.140 because they have gender dysphoria.

00:04:48.140 That's like saying,

00:04:48.760 well, he's depressed

00:04:49.460 because he has depression.

00:04:51.540 It's like, yeah,

00:04:52.680 but like, are you not at all curious

00:04:54.200 as to where this depression is coming from?

00:04:56.220 What could be motivating it?

00:04:57.380 What neurological phenomenon

00:04:58.780 could be related to it?

00:05:00.020 Why there's this huge increase in depression?

00:05:02.300 These are questions

00:05:03.300 that we would be asking

00:05:04.240 if we were talking about

00:05:05.340 any other mental condition

00:05:07.220 that wasn't tied to identity,

00:05:09.140 but in the world of identity politics,

00:05:11.380 anything that can be tied

00:05:12.380 to an individual's identity

00:05:13.500 becomes unquestionable

00:05:14.820 and thus unsteadiable,

00:05:16.560 and that is sort of,

00:05:18.380 that's what makes it exciting to us.

00:05:20.080 So we can go through,

00:05:22.820 we're just going to index

00:05:23.700 all of the potential things.

00:05:24.820 Okay, so first one.

00:05:26.320 This is the one that we talk about

00:05:27.600 most on this channel

00:05:28.740 because I think

00:05:29.440 it's really interesting,

00:05:30.240 and it's also interesting to me

00:05:31.960 that it was ever flagged

00:05:33.620 as an offensive potential answer.

00:05:35.500 Ooh.

00:05:35.840 But I know exactly why

00:05:37.260 it was flagged

00:05:37.780 as an offensive potential answer.

00:05:39.580 Okay, let me guess first then,

00:05:41.060 but tell me. 0.99

00:05:43.600 It's turning the frogs gay. 1.00

00:05:45.500 Oh. 0.95

00:05:46.600 Endocrine disruptors.

00:05:47.640 Oh.

00:05:48.020 We know endocrine disruptors

00:05:49.760 are much more common now

00:05:50.820 than they used to be.

00:05:51.920 We know that fetuses exposed

00:05:53.900 to endocrine disruptors

00:05:54.820 have lower,

00:05:55.700 when they're born as males,

00:05:56.880 have lower endogenital distance,

00:05:58.720 which basically means

00:05:59.640 that they're not fully

00:06:00.280 gender differentiated.

00:06:01.700 We know that if you look at them

00:06:03.420 seven years after they're born,

00:06:05.360 they show play behavior

00:06:06.680 much more similar to women.

00:06:08.380 This, to me,

00:06:09.440 if it's an actual biological change

00:06:11.760 that's happening in the population

00:06:13.000 due to a pollutant,

00:06:14.600 it's weird to me

00:06:15.680 that this is seen

00:06:16.240 as a transphobic explanation.

00:06:18.300 But I think the core reason

00:06:20.460 it's seeing is

00:06:21.060 because it would be like

00:06:22.240 these people aren't faking it.

00:06:23.520 This is not a social contagion.

00:06:24.740 Yeah, it's real.

00:06:25.600 It's physical.

00:06:26.560 It's biological.

00:06:28.000 Yes.

00:06:28.360 And the increased rates

00:06:29.520 of this stuff in our water

00:06:30.920 would correlate

00:06:31.900 with the explosion

00:06:32.900 of the trans population.

00:06:34.560 Yeah.

00:06:34.720 And we see males changing generally.

00:06:36.980 Again, it's not just in our water.

00:06:38.940 A lot of it has to do

00:06:39.920 with the containers

00:06:40.760 we're eating out of,

00:06:41.640 our shampoos,

00:06:42.900 like receipts, everything.

00:06:44.920 Yeah.

00:06:45.120 It would also explain

00:06:46.980 a lot of other things.

00:06:47.680 We're seeing a lot of changes

00:06:49.380 in terms of how gender works biologically.

00:06:51.680 We're seeing women

00:06:52.220 go through puberty much earlier.

00:06:53.820 We're seeing male sperm rates

00:06:55.120 decrease by something like 30%.

00:06:57.340 No, it's over 50%

00:06:58.680 in the last 50 years.

00:06:59.540 So 51% in the last 50 years.

00:07:01.180 We're seeing testosterone rates

00:07:02.300 go down by something like 30%

00:07:03.740 in the last 20 years.

00:07:05.020 Like, all of this

00:07:06.380 would easily be explained

00:07:07.880 by endocrine disruptors

00:07:10.220 in the water.

00:07:11.080 Yeah.

00:07:11.200 I think the core reason

00:07:12.920 it's seen as offensive

00:07:13.680 is actually just that Alex Jones...

00:07:16.400 Oh, because Alex Jones

00:07:17.320 said it first.

00:07:18.260 He said that the water 0.72

00:07:19.080 is turning the frogs gay, 0.99

00:07:20.740 that we can't accept this. 0.97

00:07:22.820 And there's a great

00:07:23.640 YouTube deep dive.

00:07:24.520 I'm going to see

00:07:24.800 if I can find it

00:07:25.380 because I remember

00:07:25.760 it was a little obscure

00:07:26.620 on actually the research

00:07:28.700 that Alex Jones

00:07:29.440 was talking about

00:07:30.200 when he said that.

00:07:31.120 Because he'll say things

00:07:32.540 that are actually true.

00:07:33.820 Frogs were actually 0.85

00:07:34.940 turning gay 0.97

00:07:35.620 due to stuff in the water. 0.83

00:07:37.260 And he was pointing this out,

00:07:38.740 but then it became

00:07:39.960 like a famous quote of his.

00:07:41.920 And as such,

00:07:43.240 it became associated

00:07:44.540 with craziness.

00:07:45.820 So it couldn't be

00:07:47.400 an explanation

00:07:48.360 that you could give

00:07:49.760 and not be afraid

00:07:50.840 of being cancer.

00:07:51.380 He ruined it.

00:07:52.460 He ruined it.

00:07:53.160 Because it does sound,

00:07:54.460 if you hear it out of context,

00:07:55.660 you hear Alex Jones

00:07:56.780 and his conspiracy voice

00:07:58.520 going,

00:07:58.900 the water is turning

00:07:59.980 the frogs gay. 0.97

00:08:01.260 It sounds crazy. 0.99

00:08:03.380 You have to admit that.

00:08:04.820 It sounds crazy.

00:08:05.880 I don't know.

00:08:06.340 As a scientist,

00:08:07.180 frogs and amphibians

00:08:08.180 are usually much more

00:08:09.240 sensitive to pollutants

00:08:10.260 than other species.

00:08:11.720 And they can absorb it

00:08:12.880 through their skin

00:08:14.360 really easily.

00:08:15.160 It still sounds crazy.

00:08:16.000 Because most people

00:08:16.920 didn't study biology.

00:08:18.020 Most people aren't aware

00:08:18.740 that amphibians are...

00:08:19.460 Yeah.

00:08:19.940 It reminds me of like

00:08:21.240 when the conservatives

00:08:22.640 were complaining about

00:08:23.900 money going to

00:08:25.840 medical research

00:08:26.500 and they go,

00:08:27.240 they spent X many million dollars

00:08:29.020 studying fruit flies.

00:08:31.080 And it's like,

00:08:31.920 yes,

00:08:32.380 that's the standard species

00:08:33.620 used for studying

00:08:34.560 genetic models.

00:08:35.740 Of course they were

00:08:37.360 studying fruit flies.

00:08:39.520 What?

00:08:40.520 When somebody's like,

00:08:41.260 this pollutant

00:08:42.040 is affecting amphibians

00:08:43.100 before it affects

00:08:43.860 other populations.

00:08:45.200 It's obviously

00:08:46.320 amphibians are always 1.00

00:08:48.000 the first activity.

00:08:48.240 Yeah, but again,

00:08:49.020 like you just assume

00:08:50.000 that everyone

00:08:50.680 understands this.

00:08:51.980 You studied biology

00:08:52.980 at university.

00:08:53.940 Like most people,

00:08:54.740 like biology stops

00:08:55.680 at college

00:08:56.660 and they are being taught

00:08:58.220 standardized test norms,

00:09:00.200 not real world

00:09:01.560 useful stuff.

00:09:02.800 But okay,

00:09:03.160 so this is the first

00:09:04.080 potential explanation.

00:09:05.340 Okay.

00:09:06.080 Endocrine disruptors

00:09:07.080 in general.

00:09:07.680 That basically,

00:09:08.600 if I'm to sum it up,

00:09:10.200 that pollutants

00:09:11.200 and chemicals

00:09:11.620 that humans

00:09:12.080 are being exposed to

00:09:12.900 in developed nations

00:09:13.680 all over the world

00:09:14.660 now are causing them

00:09:16.380 to be hormonally different

00:09:17.760 and in the case of,

00:09:19.820 at least in the case

00:09:20.500 of males,

00:09:21.220 less male.

00:09:21.680 This wouldn't explain,

00:09:22.780 however,

00:09:23.520 the growth in female 0.83

00:09:25.440 to male transition 0.98

00:09:27.020 because the endocrine

00:09:28.360 disruptors,

00:09:29.300 as we understand it,

00:09:30.500 like from the TIDE

00:09:31.240 studies that we keep

00:09:32.580 quoting,

00:09:34.000 only really affect

00:09:34.840 the extent to which

00:09:35.580 men become fully male 0.63

00:09:37.100 in development,

00:09:38.200 not females.

00:09:38.220 Let's talk about

00:09:38.820 why it is.

00:09:40.060 It's because the template

00:09:41.460 of a fetus is female.

00:09:43.260 Yeah.

00:09:43.800 So if you are disrupting

00:09:45.400 gender differentiation,

00:09:47.340 you're going to disrupt it

00:09:48.340 on the male side,

00:09:49.240 not on the female side. 0.71

00:09:50.580 Yeah.

00:09:50.700 Now it would likely

00:09:51.480 have some disrupting.

00:09:52.300 We do know that women 1.00

00:09:53.440 are changing,

00:09:54.800 like when they go through

00:09:55.580 puberty and stuff like that.

00:09:56.940 Well, yeah,

00:09:57.420 and that's more likely,

00:09:58.840 I think,

00:09:59.220 isn't that more due

00:10:00.100 to growth hormones?

00:10:01.020 I think it's more likely

00:10:02.100 due to growth hormones

00:10:02.880 used to get cows

00:10:03.520 to produce more milk

00:10:04.440 or even biological changes

00:10:06.620 in cows as we have

00:10:07.820 genetically selected them

00:10:08.960 to produce more milk.

00:10:09.520 Yeah, and less

00:10:10.280 endocrine disruptors

00:10:11.360 because broadly speaking,

00:10:12.700 the way that endocrine

00:10:13.480 disruptors are understood

00:10:14.380 to work,

00:10:15.120 it's more a disruption of life.

00:10:16.460 And if anything,

00:10:17.020 this should be making

00:10:17.560 women more female. 0.99

00:10:19.220 Yeah, or if anything,

00:10:20.240 I would say,

00:10:20.820 if anything,

00:10:21.440 endocrine disruptors

00:10:22.180 would delay puberty,

00:10:24.280 I would expect.

00:10:24.920 It would make things

00:10:25.440 not work rather than

00:10:26.540 work earlier.

00:10:27.620 Yeah.

00:10:29.200 Okay.

00:10:30.540 Now we're going to go

00:10:31.200 to another potentially

00:10:32.080 offensive solution

00:10:33.020 other than they were born

00:10:34.120 with the wrong soul,

00:10:35.240 which is also a bad explanation.

00:10:37.040 What,

00:10:37.240 did God just spill

00:10:38.260 the soul bag recently?

00:10:40.180 Suddenly he started 0.99

00:10:41.020 fucking up with souls 0.99

00:10:41.980 people's bodies 1.00

00:10:42.800 they're going into

00:10:43.380 a whole lot.

00:10:44.320 I mean,

00:10:44.580 you could say

00:10:45.020 it's that they're accepted more

00:10:46.400 and that's why

00:10:47.300 they're coming out more,

00:10:48.400 but the rate of increase

00:10:50.000 within the trans community

00:10:50.900 is much higher

00:10:51.980 than the rate of increase

00:10:52.840 within the gay community

00:10:53.760 when they achieved acceptance.

00:10:55.100 And also you didn't see

00:10:56.580 this big gender flip 0.97

00:10:57.640 in the gay community

00:10:58.380 when they achieved acceptance.

00:11:00.000 I do not buy

00:11:01.080 that's what's going on.

00:11:02.040 No,

00:11:02.260 the soul thing

00:11:03.100 doesn't check out.

00:11:04.240 Endocrine disruptors

00:11:05.080 I find to be moderate

00:11:05.880 are actually quite compelling.

00:11:07.600 But yeah,

00:11:07.900 so let's talk about

00:11:09.180 the next one.

00:11:10.700 So before going

00:11:11.940 to the trans-machic community,

00:11:12.840 I was told to look up

00:11:13.540 this autogynephilia stuff.

00:11:14.960 And I knew this

00:11:15.480 as an offensive explanation,

00:11:16.720 but like in our communities,

00:11:18.140 among the fans of our show,

00:11:19.360 like I know we have

00:11:19.860 other fans of our show

00:11:20.540 that really love autogynephilia

00:11:22.020 as an explanation.

00:11:23.080 So I was like,

00:11:23.940 okay, let's look

00:11:25.400 into autogynephilia.

00:11:26.720 So let's explain

00:11:27.780 what autogynephilia is

00:11:28.940 and why it's potentially

00:11:30.700 considered offensive.

00:11:31.620 So this is to say

00:11:33.200 that what is really motivating

00:11:35.700 a portion of male

00:11:37.400 to female trans conversions,

00:11:38.960 and autogynephilia

00:11:39.540 really focuses on

00:11:40.380 male to female trans conversions,

00:11:41.980 is the fact 0.96

00:11:42.700 that they have this fetish

00:11:44.080 for seeing themselves

00:11:45.580 as the gender

00:11:46.480 that they find attractive.

00:11:48.140 I would say

00:11:48.680 there is no wrong reason

00:11:50.280 to transition.

00:11:51.200 Like I am actually for it.

00:11:52.260 Like you just want to transition 0.66

00:11:53.380 because you want to be

00:11:54.220 a girl awesome.

00:11:55.040 Yeah, whenever.

00:11:55.680 You think girls have it easier. 1.00

00:11:56.720 Awesome, right?

00:11:57.320 You feel you were born

00:11:58.680 in the wrong body.

00:11:59.600 I'm not saying awesome

00:12:00.640 and I think everyone should do it.

00:12:01.940 I think there's a huge number

00:12:02.760 of costs associated

00:12:03.600 with transition.

00:12:04.580 I just really am against

00:12:05.980 the concept that

00:12:08.140 so it's like I wouldn't

00:12:08.820 recommend it to my kids

00:12:09.560 just because they felt

00:12:10.100 they were in the wrong body

00:12:10.820 or something.

00:12:11.160 I'm like you need

00:12:11.640 a better reason than that

00:12:12.680 for my kids,

00:12:13.840 for my cultural group.

00:12:14.640 But I do think

00:12:16.140 that I would not pass

00:12:17.440 a negative judgment

00:12:18.140 on somebody who's coming

00:12:18.860 from a different cultural background

00:12:20.120 for transitioning

00:12:21.240 for any reason.

00:12:22.360 And I actually

00:12:22.900 am really against

00:12:23.960 one of the reasons

00:12:24.380 I like the trans-maxxing community 1.00

00:12:25.740 is because they break

00:12:27.560 with the traditional norms

00:12:28.700 of what makes it okay

00:12:30.200 to transition.

00:12:30.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:31.520 They use a justification

00:12:32.400 that we think is very genuine

00:12:33.720 but also wouldn't be

00:12:35.120 societally accepted

00:12:36.600 in the mainstream.

00:12:37.260 They're expanding this

00:12:38.200 as a cultural explanation.

00:12:39.880 Yeah.

00:12:40.360 They're expanding the reasons

00:12:41.580 why an individual can say

00:12:42.720 I'm transitioning

00:12:43.800 for X reasons,

00:12:45.320 normalizing new reasons,

00:12:46.500 and I'm totally okay with that

00:12:47.880 and I really don't like

00:12:48.520 the gatekeeping.

00:12:49.520 We like supporting

00:12:50.200 this community.

00:12:50.960 It's because they are

00:12:52.520 removing some of the barriers

00:12:53.740 that had earlier

00:12:55.080 been put in place

00:12:55.740 by trans medicalists.

00:12:56.740 Those are people

00:12:57.200 who think that it's only trans

00:12:58.300 if it's like medically

00:12:59.000 proven transness.

00:13:00.260 But then there's this new thing

00:13:01.620 which is like it's only trans 0.58

00:13:02.800 if you believe

00:13:04.160 you have the wrong soul

00:13:05.340 but this is for you to judge.

00:13:07.120 And now they're saying

00:13:07.780 no, you don't need

00:13:08.320 to believe that.

00:13:09.500 Anyone can decide

00:13:10.540 to use this technology

00:13:11.720 if they feel it will improve

00:13:12.940 their quality of life

00:13:13.880 and it was in their cultural norm.

00:13:15.020 They were like, okay, whatever.

00:13:15.760 Not for my kids.

00:13:17.180 I wouldn't want to preach

00:13:18.360 to my kids as an option

00:13:19.520 but if you are an adult

00:13:21.260 and you're making these choices

00:13:22.560 I appreciate that

00:13:23.300 they've expanded the options.

00:13:24.300 If people are confused

00:13:25.260 as to how we can

00:13:26.240 both support a community

00:13:28.080 but also not think

00:13:29.060 it's a good idea

00:13:29.880 for our kids,

00:13:31.200 think of it like face tattoos.

00:13:32.860 I don't think people

00:13:33.900 with face tattoos

00:13:34.620 should be discriminated 1.00

00:13:35.520 for jobs.

00:13:36.420 I think it would be

00:13:37.120 really wrong

00:13:37.760 if one community

00:13:38.960 of people with face tattoos

00:13:40.220 went around and said

00:13:41.460 everyone who gets face tattoos

00:13:42.780 who don't have

00:13:43.520 X condition that I have

00:13:45.040 is wrong and evil.

00:13:47.060 I would think

00:13:47.680 that is wrong

00:13:48.380 and that community

00:13:49.300 should be opposed.

00:13:51.180 But I also don't think

00:13:52.140 face tattoos

00:13:52.660 are a good idea

00:13:53.640 for my children

00:13:54.260 and I would be concerned

00:13:55.980 if people with face tattoos

00:13:58.140 were constantly trying

00:13:59.080 to get my kids

00:13:59.920 to get face tattoos

00:14:00.920 because I think

00:14:01.580 that they make

00:14:02.100 a person's life

00:14:02.760 harder on average.

00:14:03.880 And I think

00:14:04.600 it's really bad

00:14:05.620 that we live in a society

00:14:06.520 where people with face tattoos

00:14:07.740 are oppressed

00:14:08.960 because they genuinely are.

00:14:10.680 It is not in any way

00:14:11.580 incongruous

00:14:12.360 for a person

00:14:13.480 to both ardently fight

00:14:15.340 for the rights

00:14:16.140 of people with face tattoos

00:14:17.500 to fight for people

00:14:18.780 with face tattoos

00:14:19.540 to not be discriminated against

00:14:21.020 but also still think

00:14:22.700 that it is a bad idea

00:14:23.900 for their own children

00:14:24.760 to get face tattoos

00:14:25.720 and be upset

00:14:26.640 at anyone

00:14:27.340 who is telling their children

00:14:28.160 to get face tattoos.

00:14:29.380 But I need to be clear

00:14:30.420 this is just

00:14:31.180 my cultural perspective

00:14:32.700 and I consider

00:14:34.660 the perspectives

00:14:35.500 of different cultural groups

00:14:36.980 for example

00:14:37.460 the progressive cultural group

00:14:38.820 valid for members

00:14:40.120 of that cultural group

00:14:41.360 in the same way

00:14:42.160 that I consider tribes

00:14:43.880 that think

00:14:44.320 that face tattoos

00:14:45.460 ward off evil spirits valid

00:14:47.960 and I would not

00:14:48.940 at all discriminate them

00:14:49.920 and I think

00:14:50.480 that we should be

00:14:51.680 accepting of people

00:14:52.640 who have different

00:14:53.300 world frameworks

00:14:54.160 and people can be like

00:14:55.380 well medical practitioners

00:14:56.840 agree

00:14:57.440 and science agrees

00:14:58.580 and well yeah

00:15:00.020 but at one point

00:15:01.320 medical practitioners

00:15:02.240 and scientists agreed

00:15:03.300 that lobotomies

00:15:04.060 were a good idea

00:15:04.820 to solve many potential issues

00:15:06.420 in a person's life

00:15:07.260 I want to be clear

00:15:08.360 that I am not at all

00:15:09.460 saying that gender transition

00:15:11.120 is like a lobotomy

00:15:12.880 or comparing it

00:15:14.420 to a lobotomy

00:15:15.020 I am just pointing out

00:15:16.620 that historically

00:15:18.320 science and medical practitioners

00:15:20.860 have agreed on things

00:15:22.340 that the majority

00:15:23.200 of the population

00:15:24.020 would no longer agree

00:15:25.920 are a good idea

00:15:26.700 and given how

00:15:28.080 both new

00:15:29.000 and politically charged

00:15:30.880 this phenomenon is

00:15:32.780 and we haven't seen

00:15:33.940 how this plays out

00:15:35.000 in large populations

00:15:36.520 when they attempt

00:15:38.020 this solution

00:15:38.780 to these issues

00:15:39.820 over the long term yet

00:15:41.120 I am okay

00:15:42.300 with waiting this out

00:15:43.220 when it comes

00:15:43.740 to my own kids

00:15:44.500 but I am also

00:15:45.660 totally okay

00:15:46.480 with communities

00:15:47.660 and individuals

00:15:48.320 who feel that

00:15:49.180 this is solving

00:15:49.880 major issues

00:15:50.560 in their lives

00:15:51.220 and I think

00:15:52.140 that they are

00:15:52.800 accurately assessing

00:15:53.900 that for themselves

00:15:55.060 and for people

00:15:56.080 of their cultural group

00:15:57.160 I just hope

00:15:57.840 that these communities

00:15:58.820 can accept

00:15:59.900 and respect

00:16:00.940 why I might have

00:16:02.860 a different choice

00:16:03.880 for my own kids

00:16:05.000 until they become of age

00:16:06.880 within this community

00:16:07.840 this is a popular explanation

00:16:09.260 and I was told

00:16:10.420 by the community

00:16:11.020 to dig into the research on it

00:16:12.420 and while I say

00:16:13.300 that you can transition

00:16:14.260 for any reason

00:16:14.900 this is the one reason

00:16:15.620 I suggest not transitioning 1.00

00:16:16.680 because it's like

00:16:18.180 logically a bad reason

00:16:19.640 to transition

00:16:20.220 and I'll explain

00:16:21.120 why it's logically

00:16:21.900 a bad reason

00:16:22.400 to transition

00:16:22.920 when people transition

00:16:24.800 their number

00:16:26.140 of paraphilias

00:16:27.020 basically fetishes

00:16:27.920 usually decrease

00:16:29.740 pretty dramatically

00:16:30.600 especially if they're transitioning

00:16:32.580 from males to females

00:16:33.640 second

00:16:34.540 when people transition

00:16:35.840 their gender

00:16:36.460 primary attraction

00:16:37.980 generally

00:16:38.960 not generally

00:16:39.840 changes in about 25%

00:16:40.940 of people

00:16:41.260 so not always

00:16:42.020 but like a lot

00:16:42.640 of the time

00:16:43.080 so if you are transitioning

00:16:45.140 because of things

00:16:47.380 that arouse you

00:16:48.240 you should expect

00:16:49.700 those things

00:16:50.220 that arouse you

00:16:50.920 to change

00:16:51.680 during the transition

00:16:53.120 process

00:16:53.600 because the hormones

00:16:54.200 that you undergo

00:16:54.720 are going to significantly

00:16:55.580 change your experience

00:16:57.020 of arousal

00:16:57.700 and your areas of focus

00:16:59.000 plus actually

00:17:00.160 if I recall correctly

00:17:01.580 from your surveys

00:17:02.360 when you did

00:17:02.760 the Pragmatist Guides

00:17:03.380 to Sexuality

00:17:04.020 and you tested

00:17:04.800 all these people's

00:17:05.460 sources of arousal

00:17:06.360 autogynophilia

00:17:07.460 actually wasn't that unusual

00:17:08.700 like plenty of people

00:17:10.260 are like turned on

00:17:10.900 by the idea

00:17:11.420 of banging

00:17:12.020 a gender bent version

00:17:13.280 of themselves

00:17:13.740 but just fantasize about it

00:17:15.040 just fantasize about it

00:17:16.040 like you don't have

00:17:16.640 to be that version

00:17:17.800 like you're never

00:17:18.740 going to have two of you

00:17:19.640 until we get to

00:17:20.380 some cool AI age

00:17:21.380 where you can

00:17:21.740 get in the haptic suit

00:17:22.520 and go for it

00:17:23.140 even more important

00:17:24.220 than that

00:17:24.660 there were also studies

00:17:25.460 that looked at women 0.97

00:17:26.380 who were born women

00:17:27.460 what percentage of them

00:17:28.380 had autogynophilia

00:17:29.120 it was something

00:17:29.440 like 95%

00:17:30.760 yeah like women 1.00

00:17:31.440 find it really

00:17:32.060 like hot

00:17:32.700 the idea

00:17:33.120 of banging themselves

00:17:33.700 totally

00:17:34.180 you look a lot

00:17:36.020 like me

00:17:36.520 I think

00:17:36.960 this is like

00:17:37.580 but the idea

00:17:39.500 of themselves

00:17:40.260 being women

00:17:40.900 they find

00:17:41.960 their own

00:17:42.780 gender's sexuality

00:17:44.080 and them being

00:17:45.060 that sexuality

00:17:45.820 really attractive

00:17:46.720 so that wouldn't

00:17:47.860 really be a good

00:17:48.600 argument

00:17:49.120 for you're not trans

00:17:51.160 because you're just

00:17:51.860 a man attracted

00:17:52.520 to women

00:17:52.900 so you would find

00:17:53.720 you being a woman

00:17:54.480 attractive

00:17:54.960 if you are a woman

00:17:56.260 you would presumably

00:17:58.520 find you being

00:17:59.600 a woman 0.57

00:18:00.200 being attractive

00:18:00.840 as well

00:18:01.540 because most women 1.00

00:18:02.720 feel that way

00:18:03.440 so autogynophilia

00:18:04.580 I do think

00:18:05.800 there are probably

00:18:06.420 some people

00:18:07.080 transitioning

00:18:07.560 for this reason

00:18:08.540 sure

00:18:09.000 but I think 0.98

00:18:09.700 it's a dumb 0.91

00:18:10.320 reason to transition 0.98

00:18:11.260 because this

00:18:12.000 arousal pattern

00:18:12.880 may cease

00:18:13.560 during the transition

00:18:14.620 yeah

00:18:15.160 which is

00:18:15.620 red queen

00:18:16.200 chasing something

00:18:16.880 that's always

00:18:17.260 running away from you

00:18:17.980 yeah

00:18:18.300 this is not a game

00:18:19.080 that you're gonna

00:18:19.380 be able to win

00:18:19.900 it's also one of

00:18:20.840 those things

00:18:21.120 where once you have

00:18:21.840 it you won't want it

00:18:22.600 yeah

00:18:23.360 so another one

00:18:24.000 I saw

00:18:24.480 so the trans maxing 0.97

00:18:25.500 community

00:18:25.820 this could be

00:18:26.360 another explanation

00:18:27.220 okay

00:18:27.760 is that it turns out

00:18:28.880 that either men

00:18:29.600 and women

00:18:29.900 in our society

00:18:30.660 they just don't

00:18:32.340 feel comfortable

00:18:32.900 with their gender

00:18:33.480 because their gender

00:18:34.420 they are being told

00:18:35.400 that women are being 0.99

00:18:36.420 told that women 1.00

00:18:37.020 are being objectified

00:18:38.100 in our society

00:18:38.740 and it's worse

00:18:39.520 to be a woman

00:18:40.000 in our society

00:18:40.540 so you should

00:18:40.960 want to be a man

00:18:41.640 so they're transitioning

00:18:42.700 for that reason

00:18:43.440 and men are being told

00:18:44.880 all this red pill

00:18:46.600 MGTOW stuff 0.82

00:18:47.500 better off

00:18:48.160 actually being a woman 0.50

00:18:49.300 yeah

00:18:49.720 and that

00:18:50.520 this is what's

00:18:51.740 causing the transition

00:18:52.720 just genuinely believing

00:18:54.280 you'd have it better

00:18:55.020 off of the other gender 0.99

00:18:55.820 so it's like

00:18:56.360 grass is always greener

00:18:57.480 kind of thing

00:18:58.000 sort of the core

00:18:58.680 of what the trans maxing 0.89

00:18:59.840 movement is about

00:19:00.500 the idea that you

00:19:01.400 would have it easier

00:19:02.220 being a woman

00:19:02.980 than a low quality guy

00:19:05.080 was in our

00:19:05.840 low sexual quality

00:19:07.580 like not a lot of women 1.00

00:19:08.440 like you

00:19:08.740 obviously pointed out

00:19:09.420 on Tinder

00:19:09.820 and I can really see

00:19:10.900 where this argument

00:19:11.400 comes from

00:19:11.880 less than 1% of women

00:19:13.520 swipe right

00:19:14.440 on the average guy

00:19:15.500 this is

00:19:15.920 if you look at

00:19:16.300 the mean guy

00:19:16.800 right

00:19:17.020 so imagine

00:19:17.960 if you're below that

00:19:18.900 how difficult things

00:19:19.980 are on the sexual

00:19:20.580 marketplace

00:19:20.960 and how much harder

00:19:22.940 you're just going to be

00:19:23.660 treated in society

00:19:24.580 right

00:19:24.940 some people

00:19:25.460 in some of the writings

00:19:26.740 they describe it

00:19:27.280 as being in tutorial mode

00:19:28.340 being a woman

00:19:28.900 right

00:19:29.180 living life in tutorial mode

00:19:31.180 they're like yeah

00:19:31.660 you can't get the higher tier

00:19:33.040 accomplishments

00:19:33.580 in the video game

00:19:34.720 like you're going to be

00:19:35.700 discriminated against

00:19:36.560 for like high tier positions

00:19:37.720 and work

00:19:38.160 and everything like that

00:19:38.980 but people are generally

00:19:40.200 nicer to you

00:19:41.000 and kinder to you

00:19:41.940 and will do little favors

00:19:42.900 for you all the time

00:19:43.900 that you just don't have

00:19:45.420 and people will be your friend

00:19:46.560 and people will emotionally

00:19:47.800 open up to you

00:19:48.520 this is what I hear about

00:19:49.780 when I look at people

00:19:50.280 who have transitioned

00:19:50.960 like the positives

00:19:52.120 and negatives

00:19:52.700 so yeah you can't get

00:19:53.980 the high tier accomplishments

00:19:55.000 as easily

00:19:55.560 but all the low tier

00:19:56.780 accomplishments

00:19:57.240 are just much easier

00:19:58.060 but honestly like

00:19:58.860 if you don't seem

00:19:59.980 to be like a person

00:20:00.620 who's going to be

00:20:01.060 hitting out of the park

00:20:01.800 in life

00:20:02.200 like at least being able

00:20:03.160 to walk down the street

00:20:03.960 and have people be nice

00:20:04.900 to you

00:20:05.200 and smile at you

00:20:05.960 sounds nice

00:20:06.680 so I

00:20:07.520 but the problem

00:20:08.440 is we see a lot of women 1.00

00:20:09.200 converting to men

00:20:09.800 yeah

00:20:10.620 we've done a video

00:20:11.800 on this also could be

00:20:13.340 that Hollywood

00:20:13.800 has just removed

00:20:14.780 women 1.00

00:20:15.420 so yes

00:20:16.100 Hollywood has made

00:20:17.320 a lot of women 1.00

00:20:18.340 in leading roles

00:20:19.960 yeah

00:20:20.460 but it didn't want

00:20:21.720 to make them sexy

00:20:22.320 to men

00:20:22.620 because it wants 0.70

00:20:23.080 to punish male sexuality 0.51

00:20:24.240 for whatever

00:20:24.680 that's the enemy

00:20:25.720 of progressives

00:20:26.300 so it removed 0.99

00:20:27.180 their boobs 1.00

00:20:27.800 and it removed 0.99

00:20:28.740 their femininity

00:20:29.540 to the extent

00:20:30.440 where they look like

00:20:31.320 underage women 0.98

00:20:32.140 or men

00:20:32.840 and so a lot of women 1.00

00:20:34.080 when they think about

00:20:34.980 their feminine selves

00:20:37.100 like their feminine 0.98

00:20:37.960 potential ideal

00:20:38.860 they can begin

00:20:39.460 to see that as negative

00:20:40.720 and they grow up

00:20:41.400 with this understanding 0.83

00:20:42.220 that big breasts 1.00

00:20:43.260 curvy walking 0.99

00:20:43.960 everything like that

00:20:44.640 is not what a powerful

00:20:46.100 woman looks like 1.00

00:20:47.920 and so they begin

00:20:48.540 to adopt this male mindset

00:20:50.140 and this could make

00:20:50.780 it seem better

00:20:51.200 like this could be

00:20:51.960 an explanation

00:20:52.460 but I think the other

00:20:53.460 explanation that seems

00:20:54.760 to be out there

00:20:56.540 is like that

00:20:57.320 transitioning as

00:20:58.740 an adolescent female

00:21:00.220 is the new cutting

00:21:01.280 it's the new anorexia

00:21:02.580 basically women 0.98

00:21:03.580 hit this stage

00:21:04.320 at which they get

00:21:04.920 super uncomfortable

00:21:05.660 with their bodies

00:21:06.420 and they want

00:21:08.200 to deal with it

00:21:09.160 and there are lots

00:21:10.260 of evoked sets

00:21:11.600 that exist

00:21:12.300 in different periods

00:21:13.140 of time

00:21:13.860 to deal with it

00:21:15.060 and you can deal

00:21:15.540 with it by getting

00:21:16.180 super religious

00:21:16.820 or by starving yourself 0.97

00:21:17.900 or by cutting yourself

00:21:19.660 or in this case

00:21:21.100 by transitioning

00:21:21.680 and part of me wonders

00:21:22.740 if a lot of young women 1.00

00:21:23.840 who are transitioning

00:21:24.640 they're not necessarily

00:21:25.460 oh I really want

00:21:26.140 to be a guy

00:21:26.700 they're more like

00:21:27.240 oh I really don't want

00:21:27.980 to go through puberty

00:21:29.080 and so puberty blockers

00:21:30.260 are like a great answer

00:21:31.220 to that

00:21:31.500 your body's changing

00:21:32.200 you hate it

00:21:32.640 I don't think

00:21:33.100 they're thinking

00:21:33.460 that consciously

00:21:34.100 I couldn't

00:21:34.560 no I think

00:21:34.920 it's subconscious

00:21:35.420 totally subconscious

00:21:36.180 but it's more

00:21:36.680 there's a deep discomfort

00:21:37.660 I could see that

00:21:39.440 being a motivating factor

00:21:40.480 one thing we talked

00:21:41.180 about was female puberty 1.00

00:21:42.120 is the concept

00:21:43.400 that it's very different

00:21:44.100 from male puberty

00:21:44.700 where male puberty

00:21:45.380 is cursed

00:21:45.940 with this attraction

00:21:47.000 to other people

00:21:48.540 that you didn't choose

00:21:49.540 and it's like almost

00:21:50.200 an addiction to something

00:21:51.300 with female puberty 0.90

00:21:52.540 it's defined by wanting

00:21:53.760 to be treasured

00:21:55.320 and cared for

00:21:56.180 and accepted

00:21:57.180 and that

00:21:58.380 no matter how

00:21:59.800 liked you are

00:22:00.880 by people

00:22:01.400 it can

00:22:01.720 because it's your own

00:22:03.000 judgment of whether

00:22:03.780 you're treasured enough

00:22:04.580 and whether you're

00:22:05.240 accepted enough

00:22:05.860 and whether you're

00:22:06.340 cared for enough

00:22:06.920 and so it's almost

00:22:07.900 never enough

00:22:08.680 and so when women 1.00

00:22:09.780 go through puberty

00:22:10.420 they often feel

00:22:11.300 it would be very normal

00:22:12.980 to feel very uncomfortable

00:22:14.020 and unsatisfied

00:22:14.900 with your body

00:22:15.580 and the offer

00:22:16.780 that hey

00:22:17.420 you going through puberty

00:22:18.780 if you do this

00:22:19.460 now you can feel

00:22:20.020 comfortable with your body

00:22:20.860 like I can see

00:22:22.100 how that would be

00:22:23.040 potentially a factor

00:22:25.180 in this change

00:22:26.580 that we're seeing

00:22:27.280 in society

00:22:27.760 but then

00:22:28.400 why all of a sudden

00:22:29.680 now

00:22:30.060 like what's new now

00:22:31.180 I could think

00:22:31.840 it's the removal

00:22:32.580 of feminine

00:22:34.260 looking women 1.00

00:22:35.420 from high power

00:22:36.780 roles in media

00:22:37.540 now that feminine 0.93

00:22:38.820 looking women 1.00

00:22:40.080 have been 0.89

00:22:40.820 demonized

00:22:42.240 in media 1.00

00:22:42.840 as being idiots 1.00

00:22:43.760 as being deserving 1.00

00:22:44.940 of low status 0.93

00:22:45.780 of these very small breasts 0.81

00:22:48.300 very boyish acting characters 0.86

00:22:49.980 I disagree

00:22:50.320 that does not resonate at all

00:22:51.740 I don't think that has

00:22:52.600 any bearing

00:22:53.200 okay might not

00:22:54.660 but here's what I would say

00:22:55.620 and I think this is actually

00:22:56.620 a really important quote

00:22:57.880 that I had heard

00:22:58.700 and I think it shows

00:23:00.100 something really powerful

00:23:01.500 about the way

00:23:02.680 the trans community

00:23:03.420 when it looks at

00:23:04.740 why are people transitioning 1.00

00:23:06.700 that are saying

00:23:07.400 that they're transitioning

00:23:08.400 for reasons

00:23:09.000 other than why I transitioned

00:23:10.060 other than being

00:23:10.940 gender dysphoric

00:23:11.700 right

00:23:12.060 they were looking at people

00:23:13.320 from the trans acting community

00:23:14.360 who were saying

00:23:14.780 that they were transitioning

00:23:15.420 just because they'd have

00:23:16.080 an easier time as a woman

00:23:16.920 and they started looking

00:23:19.100 at quotes

00:23:19.620 oh I was with my friend

00:23:21.160 and we cuddled

00:23:22.840 and it really made me

00:23:24.520 feel special

00:23:25.080 and I really liked him

00:23:26.100 and I never would have

00:23:26.960 felt this way

00:23:27.360 about a guy before

00:23:27.940 but I'm not trans

00:23:28.800 and they were like

00:23:29.660 hey maybe you just

00:23:30.800 are trans

00:23:31.440 maybe you were

00:23:33.020 always trans 1.00

00:23:33.960 and you've been using

00:23:35.060 this argument

00:23:36.340 as a shield

00:23:37.100 but I actually read

00:23:39.160 something different

00:23:39.940 what I read is

00:23:41.700 changes in things

00:23:44.840 that make a person

00:23:46.060 satisfied

00:23:46.800 in regards to

00:23:48.140 sexual actions

00:23:48.800 with other partners

00:23:49.520 and stuff like that

00:23:50.640 the changing nature

00:23:52.900 of this

00:23:53.560 in men

00:23:54.940 who are on

00:23:56.160 hormone therapy

00:23:57.180 to become women 0.64

00:23:58.160 or women

00:23:58.880 who are on hormone therapy

00:24:00.580 to become women 0.64

00:24:01.300 however you want to frame it

00:24:02.500 that it leads

00:24:03.960 to behavior patterns

00:24:05.440 which the trans community

00:24:06.920 saw as proof

00:24:08.160 that they were actually

00:24:09.580 really trans

00:24:10.400 all along

00:24:11.100 but that actually

00:24:12.560 begin to happen

00:24:13.620 and occur

00:24:14.260 in any man

00:24:15.860 who takes these chemicals

00:24:16.840 and that is concerning

00:24:20.480 to me

00:24:21.040 if it turns out

00:24:22.320 that if you gave

00:24:22.980 any man these chemicals

00:24:24.380 they would begin

00:24:25.340 to have experience

00:24:26.380 and emotions

00:24:27.380 that the trans community

00:24:29.060 had previously believed

00:24:30.880 were proof

00:24:31.820 that they were actually

00:24:33.140 really the

00:24:34.840 trans all 0.51

00:24:36.200 basically you're saying

00:24:38.880 like

00:24:39.180 once you take

00:24:40.300 the magical meds

00:24:41.220 that make you feel

00:24:41.880 like a woman 0.99

00:24:42.360 you think you're a woman 0.92

00:24:43.880 and so you're concerned

00:24:45.060 because anyone

00:24:45.740 who takes the magical meds

00:24:47.040 that make you think

00:24:47.440 you're a woman

00:24:47.760 they're all going to

00:24:48.240 have the same

00:24:48.720 be like yeah

00:24:49.380 this was right

00:24:49.920 I feel like a woman

00:24:50.700 right

00:24:51.260 here we want to talk

00:24:53.240 about the most offensive

00:24:54.260 potential explanation

00:24:55.440 because this is where

00:24:56.760 this comes from

00:24:57.480 is the

00:24:58.380 what is it like

00:24:59.780 rapid onset

00:25:00.820 yes

00:25:01.240 rapid onset

00:25:02.120 gender dysphoria

00:25:02.760 so the social

00:25:03.380 contagion theory

00:25:04.380 yeah and we talked

00:25:05.620 about the study

00:25:06.100 that had been

00:25:06.460 withdrawn about this

00:25:07.340 and it

00:25:07.620 people were like

00:25:08.360 look it was

00:25:08.860 withdrawn for good

00:25:09.700 reason

00:25:09.960 it had problems

00:25:10.920 but it was not

00:25:11.620 withdrawn for the

00:25:12.340 reasons that would

00:25:12.900 have gotten

00:25:13.300 like a normal

00:25:13.980 study withdrawn

00:25:14.640 it was withdrawn

00:25:15.380 specifically

00:25:16.100 because it promoted

00:25:17.140 a theory that

00:25:17.680 the trans community

00:25:18.380 didn't like

00:25:18.940 while the group

00:25:20.600 trying to get it

00:25:21.580 withdrawn

00:25:22.020 used methodological

00:25:23.520 complaints as their

00:25:24.760 tool to get it

00:25:25.460 withdrawn

00:25:25.820 they were motivated

00:25:27.800 and had organized

00:25:29.200 themselves around

00:25:30.880 getting it withdrawn

00:25:32.180 specifically because

00:25:34.020 they didn't like

00:25:35.400 the theory that

00:25:36.200 it was promoting

00:25:37.040 not because of

00:25:39.040 the methodological

00:25:39.760 concerns

00:25:40.340 it did not make

00:25:41.940 the type of mistakes

00:25:42.640 that would normally

00:25:43.440 get a study like

00:25:44.180 this was drawn

00:25:44.760 now to be clear

00:25:45.700 it did do something

00:25:46.480 that was pretty shady

00:25:47.160 right

00:25:47.460 it drew its sample

00:25:50.000 set from women

00:25:52.400 who were mothers

00:25:53.500 of kids who

00:25:55.260 identified as trans

00:25:56.440 who already agreed

00:25:58.400 with the idea of

00:25:59.660 transness being a 1.00

00:26:00.480 social contagion

00:26:01.140 because they were

00:26:01.840 on forums for that

00:26:03.140 but this was all

00:26:04.720 disclosed in the

00:26:05.600 study so that was

00:26:06.360 not a reason for

00:26:06.940 it to be withdrawn

00:26:07.640 what the data

00:26:09.960 in the study

00:26:10.520 however was

00:26:11.760 actually super

00:26:12.560 interesting and

00:26:13.040 when I see

00:26:13.380 trans people

00:26:13.840 dismiss it

00:26:14.280 they're like

00:26:14.560 50% of these

00:26:15.440 women thought 0.99

00:26:15.860 their kids

00:26:16.200 were gifted

00:26:16.700 so clearly

00:26:17.440 it shows

00:26:17.900 that they're

00:26:18.240 not good

00:26:18.600 50% of all

00:26:19.720 women think 1.00

00:26:20.180 their kids

00:26:20.480 are gifted

00:26:20.860 obviously

00:26:21.520 like these

00:26:22.360 are helicopter

00:26:22.940 parents

00:26:23.340 these are the

00:26:23.760 types who are

00:26:24.220 like paying

00:26:24.620 attention to this

00:26:25.260 stuff and

00:26:25.600 participating in

00:26:26.160 studies

00:26:26.380 that doesn't

00:26:26.740 seem weird

00:26:27.160 to me

00:26:27.460 75% think

00:26:29.360 their kids

00:26:29.720 weren't right

00:26:30.380 in their gender

00:26:31.080 transition so that

00:26:31.860 proves that

00:26:32.280 they're wrong

00:26:32.600 I'm like

00:26:33.380 I would argue

00:26:34.420 that's probably

00:26:34.760 true across

00:26:35.220 parents of

00:26:35.800 trans kids

00:26:36.360 I think if you

00:26:37.240 just did a good

00:26:38.120 study of this

00:26:39.180 you would find

00:26:39.680 that's likely

00:26:40.620 true I'm not

00:26:40.980 going to say

00:26:41.200 it's accurate

00:26:41.680 I'm just going

00:26:42.160 to say that

00:26:42.460 doesn't sound

00:26:42.880 like a biased

00:26:43.300 sample

00:26:43.680 they looked at

00:26:44.720 the number

00:26:45.140 who thought

00:26:45.800 negative things

00:26:46.760 about trans

00:26:47.280 people

00:26:47.580 and they were

00:26:48.580 about the same

00:26:49.040 as the general

00:26:49.420 population

00:26:49.840 but there were

00:26:50.360 a few statistics

00:26:51.260 in that that I

00:26:51.880 think that we

00:26:52.300 can learn a lot

00:26:53.180 from because

00:26:54.240 they mirror things

00:26:55.540 that I have

00:26:56.140 heard from my

00:26:57.020 friend group

00:26:57.600 25% of the

00:27:00.600 parents said

00:27:01.320 that in their

00:27:01.960 kids first

00:27:03.020 visit to the

00:27:04.860 gender-affirming

00:27:05.560 clinician person

00:27:06.800 whatever this is

00:27:07.400 called

00:27:07.660 they were offered

00:27:09.120 hormone therapy

00:27:10.220 first visit

00:27:11.800 and I think

00:27:13.440 when trans people

00:27:14.560 hear this they can

00:27:15.160 be like yeah that

00:27:15.800 makes perfect sense

00:27:16.660 but when you think

00:27:17.800 about it from the

00:27:18.200 perspective of a

00:27:19.100 parent so I'll tell

00:27:19.780 a story that

00:27:20.440 happened to one

00:27:21.120 of my friends

00:27:21.620 anonymized thank

00:27:22.540 you very much

00:27:23.060 anonymized yes

00:27:23.940 very anonymized

00:27:24.760 note when telling

00:27:26.320 this story I am

00:27:27.140 telling it from

00:27:27.680 his perspective

00:27:28.500 so I will use

00:27:30.240 the gender of

00:27:31.260 his kid as he

00:27:32.200 would have seen

00:27:32.760 the gender and

00:27:33.740 then switch to

00:27:34.800 talking about his

00:27:35.540 kid in his

00:27:36.140 preferred gender

00:27:36.860 when I'm at the

00:27:38.040 end of the story

00:27:38.700 he had a son

00:27:40.500 transition to a

00:27:41.780 daughter who

00:27:42.380 was beginning to

00:27:44.680 feel like they

00:27:45.780 might be trans

00:27:46.740 right but he

00:27:47.800 knew his son had

00:27:48.460 gone through a

00:27:49.240 lot of pretty

00:27:50.000 extreme phases in

00:27:51.100 the past like an

00:27:51.680 extreme goth phase

00:27:52.460 an extreme punk

00:27:53.040 phase stuff like

00:27:53.640 that yeah and

00:27:54.600 so he was like

00:27:55.180 okay he'll get

00:27:55.900 over it but I

00:27:56.840 want to be as

00:27:58.220 caring and I

00:27:58.920 want to be as

00:27:59.700 supportive of him

00:28:00.380 as possible now

00:28:01.020 obviously this is a

00:28:01.900 very dismissive way

00:28:02.720 to treat this

00:28:03.680 person so he took

00:28:05.420 him to the gender

00:28:06.640 affirming clinic and

00:28:07.620 the doctor took the

00:28:08.760 dad aside and he

00:28:09.940 sent him to the

00:28:10.400 best clinics there

00:28:11.220 were in the US and

00:28:11.740 it was supposed to

00:28:12.160 be this thing of

00:28:12.580 three clinics and

00:28:13.080 it was supposed to

00:28:13.420 be this big battery

00:28:14.140 of tests and he

00:28:14.920 paid for all of

00:28:15.680 this all of these

00:28:16.400 expensive tests and

00:28:17.140 all of this stuff

00:28:17.960 and the doctor was

00:28:18.620 like obviously we'll

00:28:19.480 consult you before we

00:28:20.860 make a final decision

00:28:21.700 we're going to do

00:28:22.680 that at a follow-up

00:28:23.400 appointment in six

00:28:24.220 months okay and so

00:28:26.060 the dad was like

00:28:26.920 okay these phases

00:28:28.200 never really last

00:28:28.960 that long I'll just

00:28:30.160 let him go through

00:28:31.080 with this and we'll

00:28:32.160 see where this goes

00:28:32.900 and he then the

00:28:35.620 kid didn't go back

00:28:36.840 for the six months

00:28:37.440 appointment he never

00:28:38.200 went to any of the

00:28:38.740 other that were

00:28:39.300 prepaid for any of

00:28:40.520 these other things

00:28:41.160 and the dad later

00:28:42.940 found hormone therapy

00:28:44.340 stuff that the kid

00:28:45.520 had it turned out

00:28:46.640 that at the very

00:28:47.340 first meeting secretly

00:28:48.560 he had been prescribed

00:28:49.420 all of the hormones he

00:28:50.440 needed and the doctor

00:28:51.540 was like you never

00:28:52.120 need to come back

00:28:52.600 they never did any

00:28:53.780 big tests on him or

00:28:55.180 anything like that

00:28:55.940 they just immediately

00:28:56.660 now from the

00:28:57.580 perspective of this

00:28:58.540 dad he felt pretty

00:29:00.580 tricked and pretty

00:29:02.320 undermined by this

00:29:03.500 whole scenario yeah

00:29:04.380 was he right was the

00:29:05.400 kid really trans 0.92

00:29:06.100 probably I like to

00:29:07.740 take people at face

00:29:08.460 value she decided to

00:29:09.900 do this on her own

00:29:10.880 and I think that she

00:29:12.960 deserves to be treated

00:29:14.720 accurately based on

00:29:15.800 her choice but I

00:29:16.740 think that this is

00:29:17.300 very different than

00:29:19.620 I think what an

00:29:20.380 uneducated person was

00:29:21.280 what it actually looks

00:29:22.060 like to go through

00:29:22.740 these transition things

00:29:23.920 yeah when they think

00:29:24.880 what's going on at

00:29:26.640 these clinician visits

00:29:27.580 and stuff like that

00:29:28.340 it is not you go into

00:29:29.680 the first clinician

00:29:30.340 visit and you're

00:29:31.400 immediately prescribed

00:29:32.460 transition hormone 0.72

00:29:33.460 and there's of course

00:29:34.340 we should say caveat

00:29:35.400 there's a big

00:29:36.260 variation clinics like

00:29:37.800 not every clinic just

00:29:39.000 rubber stamps things

00:29:40.240 but we know from this

00:29:41.700 again it was only 25%

00:29:43.260 that means 75% of

00:29:44.500 people this isn't

00:29:45.060 happening to yeah but

00:29:46.740 this is often not

00:29:47.840 something you would

00:29:48.400 have for other types

00:29:49.920 of prescriptions like

00:29:51.500 whether it's depression

00:29:52.320 prescription or

00:29:53.060 something like that

00:29:53.720 you're like unlikely

00:29:54.520 to get this on your

00:29:55.260 very first visit I can

00:29:57.700 understand why people

00:29:58.360 would be like oh this

00:29:59.340 is an issue if this

00:30:00.680 is happening and if

00:30:01.700 it's reported in this

00:30:02.580 data set however I

00:30:04.140 don't think that it

00:30:04.880 proves in any way that

00:30:06.760 this is a social

00:30:07.400 contagion I can see how

00:30:09.500 it would spread as a

00:30:10.360 social contagion I was

00:30:11.300 just saying hypothetically

00:30:12.480 as you were saying

00:30:13.860 earlier if you could

00:30:14.620 tell young girls and

00:30:15.840 this message would

00:30:16.400 appeal to young

00:30:17.000 girls more than 1.00

00:30:17.480 young boys yeah the

00:30:19.360 discomfort you feel

00:30:20.660 with your body that

00:30:21.560 you're going through

00:30:22.000 during puberty here's

00:30:23.000 a solution to it yeah

00:30:24.280 that would be a very

00:30:25.500 appealing message to

00:30:26.880 incredibly appealing

00:30:27.880 but I think the mere

00:30:29.620 fact that's an

00:30:30.380 appealing message

00:30:31.200 doesn't mean that

00:30:32.680 it's true so now we

00:30:35.420 have to go through all

00:30:36.180 of the are there any

00:30:36.860 other reasons you can

00:30:38.220 think people might be

00:30:38.980 transitioning see

00:30:40.060 social contagion harm

00:30:41.800 hormones and pollutants

00:30:43.860 the most compelling

00:30:44.920 ones I would say yeah

00:30:46.320 wrong brain wrong

00:30:47.100 soul don't agree with

00:30:48.520 those personally but

00:30:49.260 okay that's out there

00:30:50.100 oh and then of course

00:30:52.740 practicality which we

00:30:53.840 totally understand oh

00:30:55.040 I'm gonna present a

00:30:55.840 final one which I

00:30:56.480 actually think is what's

00:30:57.340 really going on what

00:30:58.300 yeah okay so in the

00:31:01.020 pragmatist guide to

00:31:01.920 sexuality we broke down

00:31:04.180 the way that gender 1.00

00:31:05.400 works in a lot of ways

00:31:08.300 because I think when we

00:31:08.980 talk about gender we

00:31:10.440 talk about gender as

00:31:11.420 being like innate to

00:31:13.820 self-identity and I do

00:31:15.740 not believe it is innate

00:31:17.160 to self-identity I

00:31:18.500 believe that individuals

00:31:19.940 have a gender display

00:31:21.660 system which is entirely

00:31:23.340 different from their

00:31:24.200 sexual system by that

00:31:25.820 what I mean is when we

00:31:26.900 talk about sexual

00:31:27.440 systems we actually

00:31:28.040 think that these systems

00:31:28.860 are the same are

00:31:29.660 heavily intertwined with

00:31:30.580 your disgust systems so

00:31:31.760 the things that make you

00:31:32.480 arouse the things that

00:31:33.240 make you disgusted these

00:31:34.500 are all working on

00:31:35.400 basically the same brain

00:31:36.560 pathways and there's

00:31:37.380 some negative modifiers

00:31:38.180 implied but these are

00:31:39.280 basically the same

00:31:39.840 systems the systems

00:31:41.300 that deal with gender

00:31:42.220 displays I actually

00:31:43.080 think are an entirely

00:31:43.800 different set of

00:31:44.560 systems that have

00:31:45.120 nothing to do with

00:31:45.980 sexuality and they

00:31:47.360 give you a sense of

00:31:49.360 happiness or pleasure

00:31:52.140 when you make specific

00:31:53.740 gender displays now

00:31:55.340 this is why historically

00:31:56.880 if you look at the

00:31:57.660 cross-dressing community

00:31:58.700 the majority of the

00:32:00.500 cross-dressing community

00:32:01.340 was cis males this is

00:32:03.440 true historically you

00:32:04.340 look at cross-dressers in 0.99

00:32:05.300 the 80s they were cis

00:32:07.420 heterosexual males not 0.60

00:32:10.080 gay they just like to 1.00

00:32:11.700 sometimes dress up as a 0.99

00:32:13.080 woman and they got a 1.00

00:32:14.340 lot of pleasure from

00:32:15.220 this and I asked myself

00:32:16.740 how could this be right

00:32:18.000 it could be that there's

00:32:19.360 some system where if

00:32:21.140 you really act out a

00:32:23.740 gender display it will

00:32:25.180 create some form of

00:32:26.460 happiness from you and

00:32:28.100 it probably differs in

00:32:30.560 in how much happiness

00:32:31.740 it's giving an

00:32:32.240 individual maybe even it

00:32:33.800 could create negative

00:32:35.060 happiness like active

00:32:36.060 discomfort if you're

00:32:37.280 not constantly

00:32:38.160 displaying your gender

00:32:39.040 so it could work as a

00:32:40.680 happiness system and

00:32:41.660 like a negative

00:32:42.240 discomfort system right

00:32:43.660 okay that could

00:32:46.460 explain what's going on

00:32:47.580 here that this

00:32:48.380 lighter is in the

00:32:49.580 wrong place and

00:32:51.520 what's really

00:32:53.200 interesting about this

00:32:54.060 system is I believe

00:32:55.780 it can be accessed by

00:32:57.100 anyone I think any

00:32:58.760 man can do a really

00:33:00.120 feminine gender 0.66

00:33:01.040 display and feel like

00:33:03.120 oh if I do it just

00:33:04.360 right there's

00:33:05.940 something that is a

00:33:07.900 little satisfying about

00:33:09.100 it like nailing it

00:33:10.060 like nailing it yeah

00:33:11.360 oh I just nailed that

00:33:12.840 pretending to be a

00:33:13.760 woman thing and but 1.00

00:33:15.540 you're not nailing

00:33:16.360 pretending to be a

00:33:16.980 woman you're nailing

00:33:17.840 acting out a gender 0.81

00:33:18.600 display many women can 0.98

00:33:20.720 just nail it in terms

00:33:22.620 of acting like a man or

00:33:23.980 acting like a male gender 0.98

00:33:25.000 display and maybe feel

00:33:26.480 some small so what would

00:33:28.160 be interesting if it

00:33:29.060 turned out that anyone

00:33:29.940 can access this system

00:33:31.380 but how much this system

00:33:33.300 controls you might be

00:33:35.100 something that's

00:33:35.780 modifiable I don't yeah

00:33:37.420 I just don't like I

00:33:38.320 don't think there's

00:33:39.380 anything I think about

00:33:41.760 history in history we've

00:33:43.800 seen people express

00:33:45.880 different genders totally 0.94

00:33:47.040 that that is a thing that

00:33:48.260 it has happened throughout

00:33:49.080 history a lot of it has

00:33:50.880 been based on pragmatism

00:33:52.200 in medieval England

00:33:53.540 regulation of brothel

00:33:55.140 neighborhoods there are

00:33:56.520 just men who are acting

00:33:57.880 as female sex workers and 1.00

00:34:01.800 they're just regulated

00:34:02.620 like the other ones okay

00:34:03.500 they do that I think that

00:34:04.420 that sort of falls into the

00:34:05.240 trans maxing category if

00:34:06.420 like hey hard to make

00:34:07.200 money out there here's one

00:34:08.160 way we do it so like we

00:34:09.280 join we dress up like a

00:34:10.300 woman do what you got to 1.00

00:34:11.100 do I know that there is a

00:34:12.260 historical precedent for

00:34:13.500 the pragmatic approach

00:34:14.820 social contagion I feel

00:34:16.320 like there's a lot of

00:34:16.860 precedent for other

00:34:17.780 behaviors I'm gonna push

00:34:19.040 back similar before we get

00:34:21.000 into the precedent for

00:34:21.980 other behaviors like PTSD

00:34:23.040 on TikTok and stuff like

00:34:24.280 that but how would your

00:34:26.180 explanation explain in the

00:34:28.180 80s the majority of

00:34:29.320 cross-dressers being 1.00

00:34:30.220 heterosexual cisgender

00:34:31.640 men the majority of men 0.67

00:34:33.420 who liked going to clubs

00:34:34.840 or walking out on the

00:34:35.680 streets while cross-dressing

00:34:36.720 why were they doing this

00:34:38.440 if not for sexual

00:34:39.460 gratification and they it

00:34:41.720 appears that it wasn't it

00:34:42.680 was widely agreed in the

00:34:43.600 cross-dressing community

00:34:44.240 this is not for sexual

00:34:45.540 gratification what was

00:34:47.020 motivating that it wasn't

00:34:48.640 helping them in any way

00:34:49.720 but keep in mind this is

00:34:51.700 something only men did 0.88

00:34:52.760 women didn't really do this 1.00

00:34:54.280 that much no

00:34:54.680 women are the ones who 1.00

00:34:56.960 are really I think that

00:34:58.080 like the women 1.00

00:34:58.840 transitioning thing I feel

00:35:00.700 like that is mostly

00:35:01.500 explained by social

00:35:02.220 contagion men transitioning

00:35:03.880 I would say that's mostly

00:35:05.180 explained by hormonal

00:35:06.100 shifts and pragmatism I

00:35:07.920 do not I don't get this

00:35:09.040 signal I think I don't I

00:35:10.040 have I think that

00:35:10.740 cross-dressing is like 0.98

00:35:11.800 super fun and awesome

00:35:13.840 everything's better in

00:35:14.780 drag like women didn't 1.00

00:35:16.580 there's no so this is

00:35:17.760 really interesting I think

00:35:18.540 you've touched on a

00:35:19.460 really interesting point

00:35:20.420 here and I want to

00:35:21.660 highlight this historically

00:35:23.600 there are many examples

00:35:25.540 of men who liked

00:35:26.640 dressing up like women 1.00

00:35:27.760 but were not interested

00:35:29.160 in men sexually yeah I 0.70

00:35:31.000 can think of hold on I

00:35:32.680 can think of no

00:35:34.360 explanations of women

00:35:35.740 who like dressing up as

00:35:36.780 men but weren't

00:35:37.460 interested in women

00:35:38.080 sexually usually when

00:35:40.000 women liked dressing up 1.00

00:35:41.120 as men like the

00:35:41.660 yeah these are so if we

00:35:46.360 now say that they're

00:35:47.100 trans they were they 0.90

00:35:48.680 were men who were born

00:35:50.120 women and I guess you 1.00

00:35:51.100 could say they were 1.00

00:35:51.620 more butch lesbians 1.00

00:35:52.500 but they didn't 1.00

00:35:53.480 identify that way

00:35:54.460 often sometimes and

00:35:55.680 sometimes they did

00:35:56.260 whatever what I'm

00:35:57.060 saying is I'm not aware

00:35:58.100 of any of them still

00:35:59.100 preferring men as 0.64

00:36:00.360 sexual partners where I

00:36:01.580 can historically think

00:36:02.640 of a lot of men who

00:36:03.860 today we would call

00:36:04.720 trans or whatever who

00:36:05.420 still liked so that

00:36:07.180 that little thing shows

00:36:08.680 that maybe in men there

00:36:10.080 is this gender display

00:36:11.200 impulse that is more

00:36:13.160 malleable or stronger

00:36:14.380 or harder to silence

00:36:15.780 yeah I don't know I

00:36:18.420 I cannot explain that

00:36:20.240 I cannot but I yeah

00:36:21.940 I don't okay but okay

00:36:23.920 so you've said what

00:36:24.980 you think the main

00:36:25.720 explanation is I think

00:36:29.260 the main explanation

00:36:30.160 might be the biological

00:36:31.940 one okay so you agree

00:36:34.100 with me on that due to

00:36:35.420 pollutants but not for

00:36:36.440 women I don't think for 1.00

00:36:37.260 women explains anything 1.00

00:36:38.180 and there's a lot more

00:36:39.120 young women transitioning

00:36:40.080 now than men yeah that

00:36:42.740 that young women 0.52

00:36:43.920 especially adolescents are

00:36:45.420 so susceptible to social

00:36:47.500 trends literally the most

00:36:49.540 offensive explanation I

00:36:50.620 know sorry but not

00:36:51.900 sorry could you steal

00:36:54.320 man yourself at least

00:36:55.300 for people who are like

00:36:56.000 this is really offensive

00:36:56.940 yeah the steal manning

00:36:58.240 part would be that that 0.96

00:36:59.380 when you hit female 0.91

00:37:00.580 adolescents you become 0.82

00:37:01.520 on average extremely

00:37:03.080 uncomfortable in your

00:37:03.800 body and you're going

00:37:05.340 to look for solutions

00:37:06.120 for that and a very

00:37:07.100 common solution in

00:37:08.500 mainstream society

00:37:09.200 man your opponents

00:37:10.460 steal man like I just 1.00

00:37:14.240 it's so dumb it's so 1.00

00:37:15.480 dumb and you know me I 1.00

00:37:17.000 love steal manning 1.00

00:37:17.800 would you have

00:37:19.160 transitioned when if

00:37:20.140 you were a young kid

00:37:20.980 today would you have

00:37:21.600 no no you were

00:37:23.520 uncomfortable with your

00:37:24.140 body so why what

00:37:25.140 protected you that's not

00:37:26.180 protecting women today

00:37:27.120 no because I was

00:37:27.940 starving myself instead

00:37:29.020 welcome I had a better

00:37:30.220 solution you did you

00:37:31.160 did anorexia is way

00:37:32.660 better than transitioning

00:37:34.560 oh where's the

00:37:36.800 discipline and

00:37:37.460 transitioning I think

00:37:38.440 here's what I'd say

00:37:39.840 even if it is a social

00:37:41.060 contagion

00:37:41.660 once somebody becomes

00:37:44.480 an adult I think it's

00:37:45.460 a decision that we

00:37:46.400 need to respect yeah

00:37:47.580 because it's not one

00:37:48.700 it would cause them a

00:37:49.620 great amount of

00:37:50.080 emotional pain to not

00:37:51.220 acknowledge it to you

00:37:52.260 yes they typically

00:37:53.460 would have an enormous

00:37:54.360 time transit difficult

00:37:56.380 time transitioning back

00:37:57.340 even if they feel like

00:37:57.980 they made a mistake or

00:37:58.700 something right and I

00:37:59.680 think that the regardless

00:38:01.640 of the reason someone

00:38:02.900 transitions now I do not 1.00

00:38:04.680 think that they should

00:38:05.520 that people should ever

00:38:06.780 be forced to

00:38:07.840 acknowledge someone's

00:38:08.800 transition so by that

00:38:09.660 what I mean is if

00:38:10.920 someone's from a culture

00:38:11.780 religion or tradition

00:38:12.920 where it would be seen

00:38:15.440 as untoward or in in

00:38:17.440 some other way it

00:38:18.500 really goes against

00:38:19.500 their tradition to

00:38:20.760 correctly gender someone

00:38:21.740 or something like that

00:38:22.400 fine like we definitely

00:38:23.640 as a society shouldn't

00:38:24.480 make it illegal to

00:38:25.240 misgender people however

00:38:26.560 I think it's the

00:38:27.380 polite thing to do and

00:38:28.540 to remember how much

00:38:30.180 these people have gone

00:38:31.100 through and how much

00:38:32.500 how uncomfortable it

00:38:34.100 can be to engage with

00:38:35.740 a world where you're

00:38:36.600 not sure who is

00:38:39.120 negatively judging you

00:38:40.640 for something that at

00:38:42.420 this point you can't

00:38:43.320 really change about

00:38:44.060 yourself yeah no

00:38:45.880 totally and I was I

00:38:48.640 would say my choice to

00:38:50.560 starve myself as a

00:38:51.700 female adolescent was 0.99

00:38:52.880 super dumb I'm still 1.00

00:38:54.480 paying the price for 0.99

00:38:55.320 that right I can't have

00:38:56.520 kids naturally I have

00:38:57.400 osteoporosis I'm not

00:38:58.740 saying I made great

00:38:59.620 decisions as an

00:39:00.320 adolescent I'm just

00:39:01.540 saying the motivation

00:39:02.380 to do stuff to

00:39:03.900 yourself is there I

00:39:05.060 also I don't know I

00:39:05.740 personally never really

00:39:06.720 had a negative reaction

00:39:07.740 to meeting anyone who's

00:39:08.640 transitioning you know

00:39:09.460 it's you do what's

00:39:10.180 best for you like

00:39:10.880 everyone and I think

00:39:12.480 we both agree when it

00:39:13.480 comes to things like

00:39:14.360 governing most decisions

00:39:17.120 are best made at the

00:39:18.420 local level no one like

00:39:19.620 the local community like

00:39:20.740 the individual knows

00:39:21.900 best what they need or

00:39:23.060 knows better what they

00:39:23.800 need like you can't have

00:39:24.880 optimal decisions made

00:39:25.920 by people who are on

00:39:26.920 the outside yeah and

00:39:28.480 this is something I find

00:39:29.140 really interesting is you

00:39:30.180 have these people who

00:39:30.860 are like against children

00:39:31.940 transitioning right make 1.00

00:39:33.060 it illegal right under a

00:39:34.360 certain age and yet for

00:39:36.780 the best majority of kids

00:39:37.900 who are transitioning in

00:39:38.920 this age range it's like

00:39:39.660 16 to 18 yet I can get

00:39:41.360 gauges at that age that's

00:39:43.000 a permanent I think you

00:39:44.280 know you need parental

00:39:45.220 consent for that oh you

00:39:46.620 do just yeah oh yeah no

00:39:48.220 if you if for any sort of

00:39:50.000 piercing if you are below

00:39:51.880 18 unless they're like

00:39:53.340 fly by night and there's a

00:39:54.280 lot of light right now

00:39:54.940 what age do you need to

00:39:55.960 be every piercing and

00:39:57.240 tattoos you got to be 18

00:39:58.380 if you go without a

00:39:59.520 parent but I think that

00:40:00.620 most of the people who

00:40:01.740 are right yeah sorry okay

00:40:03.320 bad argument no but it's

00:40:04.840 really easy to get that

00:40:05.760 stuff the people that are

00:40:07.080 paid minimum wage and

00:40:08.240 poorly trained clairs which

00:40:09.720 is famous for piercing

00:40:10.760 people they don't care

00:40:11.880 you're not checking but

00:40:12.880 yeah and at least there's

00:40:13.780 a long precedent for

00:40:14.560 people who are of

00:40:16.180 minority whatever that's

00:40:17.480 determined to be it's

00:40:18.280 obviously different across

00:40:19.380 states and countries and

00:40:20.400 stuff are are blocked

00:40:22.120 from doing things that

00:40:23.120 could be irreversible and

00:40:24.180 sometimes that's even

00:40:24.820 things like drinking this

00:40:25.800 is not unreasonable there's

00:40:27.260 a long cultural precedent

00:40:28.460 for it I'm not saying it

00:40:29.520 is how it always should be

00:40:30.820 but if I for example if

00:40:34.800 I were able to like

00:40:36.860 immediately follow through

00:40:37.960 in a costless fashion with

00:40:39.420 impulses that I had as an

00:40:41.320 adolescent I would not 0.94

00:40:42.400 have a uterus now 0.92

00:40:43.240 oh yeah because you wanted 0.92

00:40:45.560 to sterilize yourself yeah I

00:40:46.560 wanted to sterilize myself

00:40:47.360 so I could you imagine

00:40:48.700 like thinking

00:40:49.780 you've become could you

00:40:52.240 have made a a worse

00:40:53.720 decision you know like it's

00:40:55.500 no but it's really

00:40:56.040 interesting to me that we

00:40:57.140 all make bad decisions when

00:40:58.900 we're young yeah but the

00:41:00.340 thing is it didn't hurt me

00:41:01.460 at all to be blocked from

00:41:02.940 that and and here's the

00:41:04.620 thing though is I do really

00:41:05.480 feel for once you reach a

00:41:07.200 point in your life where

00:41:07.920 you think transitioning is

00:41:08.900 the only answer for you

00:41:09.700 and you and I were talking

00:41:10.580 about this earlier in a

00:41:11.640 walk once you feel like

00:41:13.100 transitioning is the only 1.00

00:41:14.120 answer for you it's the

00:41:15.460 only answer for you and

00:41:16.400 I I've had points in my

00:41:17.460 life where I thought that

00:41:18.480 I had to do this thing or

00:41:19.860 I would go crazy I would

00:41:21.240 die oh we forgot about the

00:41:22.620 most important answer from

00:41:24.020 this entire thing which is

00:41:26.560 why are people actually

00:41:29.480 happier after they

00:41:30.480 transition because you

00:41:32.340 see this so often in the

00:41:33.440 community imagine it is

00:41:34.540 just a social contagion yet

00:41:36.100 I see it fixing problems

00:41:37.340 for so many people so

00:41:38.620 what's really going on

00:41:39.720 here and we think we have

00:41:41.040 an answer it's just not

00:41:42.420 the one that's normal in

00:41:43.560 the trans community so 1.00

00:41:44.980 one you get this

00:41:45.720 obsession where you start

00:41:46.840 to think oh god if I

00:41:48.020 don't transition and then

00:41:49.500 you read into your earlier

00:41:51.100 life oh there were all

00:41:52.440 these times where I was

00:41:53.220 uncomfortable with this or

00:41:54.120 I didn't fully fit my

00:41:55.060 gender in this way and you 0.91

00:41:56.820 begin to have all of these

00:41:58.360 sort of prove for you that

00:41:59.300 you need to transition but

00:42:00.620 then transitioning ends up

00:42:01.600 actually helping you but

00:42:02.940 not for the reason that a

00:42:04.220 person might think

00:42:04.900 basically we've argued

00:42:06.820 here that anyone who goes

00:42:07.820 on these hormone therapies

00:42:08.760 actually ends up

00:42:09.760 successfully transitioning to

00:42:11.180 a large extent whether or

00:42:12.420 not they identified as

00:42:13.360 cis beforehand but what it

00:42:15.700 does do is and we've

00:42:17.380 talked about this before

00:42:18.100 when you are feeling

00:42:19.700 really systemically

00:42:20.640 unhappy with your life

00:42:21.520 and really systemically

00:42:22.340 like you don't belong

00:42:23.280 one of the best things you

00:42:24.780 can do is leave your

00:42:26.000 current situation leave

00:42:27.300 where you're leaving leave

00:42:28.340 your friend groups change

00:42:29.800 your job change the way

00:42:31.380 you're contextualizing

00:42:32.380 yourself and you can

00:42:34.200 reset your personality and

00:42:36.360 a lot of how your brain

00:42:37.380 works yeah and it solves

00:42:38.760 the problem something like

00:42:39.720 86 percent of people

00:42:40.760 addicted to heroin in

00:42:41.700 Vietnam when they came 0.72

00:42:42.500 back the addictions went

00:42:43.840 away and this is like a

00:42:44.980 deep-seated neurological

00:42:45.960 addiction but they were in

00:42:47.580 such a radically different

00:42:48.880 environment that it

00:42:49.980 allowed them to reset

00:42:51.020 their brains that could be

00:42:53.420 what's happening here is it

00:42:54.940 individuals now that

00:42:57.100 they're contextualizing

00:42:58.020 themselves as a new

00:42:58.840 person with a new name

00:43:00.000 that's a new gender 1.00

00:43:00.960 often with new friend

00:43:02.280 groups with new ways of

00:43:03.460 interacting with people

00:43:04.400 with a completely new like

00:43:06.480 when we say go to a new

00:43:07.860 place do something new

00:43:08.760 the only way this resets

00:43:10.660 who you are is if in this

00:43:12.480 new place you're also

00:43:13.460 pretending to be a new

00:43:15.320 iteration of yourself yeah

00:43:16.720 and what's better for that

00:43:17.780 than transitioning it's

00:43:18.800 really hard to beat that

00:43:19.780 and the hormones might even 0.90

00:43:21.520 reset specific pathways in

00:43:23.320 the brain oh yeah totally

00:43:24.400 it's uh similar i think

00:43:25.680 personally like when i look

00:43:26.860 at a lot of research around

00:43:27.920 psychedelics for treating 1.00

00:43:28.920 depression ptsd like that's

00:43:30.980 one way that now the

00:43:32.620 therapists and psychologists

00:43:33.480 are looking to shake up the

00:43:34.760 brain enough to get you out

00:43:36.180 of a mental rut that is

00:43:37.340 very toxic i think shifting

00:43:39.180 your hormonal patterns is a

00:43:40.400 great way to do that as

00:43:41.360 well this would explain why

00:43:42.500 it's happening to young

00:43:43.320 women more often than young 0.97

00:43:44.420 men young women have more 0.97

00:43:46.060 psychological issues that

00:43:47.280 would require this sort of

00:43:49.220 reset than young men have

00:43:51.180 yeah just because adolescent

00:43:52.200 female hormones are so 1.00

00:43:53.320 horrible this could be an 1.00

00:43:55.480 even more offensive

00:43:56.480 explanation than yours

00:43:57.720 because what it says is no

00:44:00.260 these people aren't really

00:44:01.220 born in the wrong body

00:44:02.280 yeah they're not actually

00:44:03.160 it really is improving

00:44:04.660 their lives pretty

00:44:05.380 dramatically yeah that's

00:44:06.420 the thing is like after a

00:44:07.400 certain point if you're

00:44:08.760 severely depressed you're

00:44:10.280 super unhappy and you

00:44:11.420 think and you've also

00:44:12.100 decided transitioning is

00:44:13.120 the only thing you can do

00:44:13.980 you said you don't really

00:44:16.080 consider someone a woman

00:44:16.980 unless they pass and

00:44:17.920 they're dramatically less

00:44:18.780 likely to pass if they do

00:44:20.020 this later yeah except i

00:44:22.040 like a lot of the the

00:44:23.200 stuff that we've discussed

00:44:24.340 here may not like the

00:44:26.440 person seeing being seen

00:44:28.120 as passing doesn't matter

00:44:29.380 in many of those cases it

00:44:30.660 matters for trans maxers 1.00

00:44:31.920 it may not matter for

00:44:34.620 women transitioning to get

00:44:36.820 control over their bodies

00:44:37.840 again essentially i would

00:44:38.700 argue that almost i'd say

00:44:40.220 the number of trans people

00:44:41.520 where passing doesn't matter

00:44:42.560 it's probably less than one

00:44:43.700 percent yeah you think

00:44:45.320 passing really matters i

00:44:46.580 think you can say it

00:44:47.400 doesn't matter i think they

00:44:48.400 can say internally it

00:44:49.600 doesn't matter but i think

00:44:50.460 it's personally they just

00:44:52.900 say that because they

00:44:54.720 want it or because they

00:44:55.960 can't pull it off so they

00:44:56.900 are gonna try to not care

00:44:58.740 about i don't know that

00:44:59.260 might be an offensive thing

00:45:00.140 to say but i think you

00:45:01.480 said a lot of the things

00:45:04.380 that are offensive to say

00:45:05.320 to the about or in the

00:45:06.840 trans community anymore 1.00

00:45:07.880 but we are genuinely

00:45:08.980 trying to think through

00:45:09.980 what's going on here and

00:45:11.080 i would love it if there

00:45:11.880 were better research into

00:45:14.520 just they got the wrong

00:45:15.920 soul and and the research

00:45:18.260 didn't always trend along

00:45:20.040 with social answers where

00:45:21.880 the social answers seem to

00:45:23.300 come before the research

00:45:24.700 that backs it yeah which

00:45:26.280 is i mean i'll say this

00:45:27.620 like i no disrespect for

00:45:29.620 people transitioning like i

00:45:31.460 one i love that it's like

00:45:32.920 this this championing of

00:45:35.720 the human body it's taking

00:45:37.100 biology and being like we're

00:45:39.120 doing it my way i'm gonna

00:45:40.460 take control i love that

00:45:41.500 and that's why i starved

00:45:42.460 myself i loved the

00:45:43.640 satisfaction of having

00:45:45.440 control over my body and

00:45:47.260 my weight and how i felt

00:45:48.880 even if it was like

00:45:49.740 miserable and it drove it

00:45:50.540 crazy i love that

00:45:51.340 control and ivf for the

00:45:52.980 same reason oh my god we

00:45:53.940 can own the process of

00:45:55.460 reproduction we can choose

00:45:56.500 all these things we can

00:45:57.400 control the time it can do

00:45:58.640 and i think like it's

00:45:59.840 anything along those lines

00:46:01.060 that's like a little bit

00:46:01.960 more transhumanist or that's

00:46:03.180 a little bit more about

00:46:03.800 mastering the human body

00:46:04.940 let's control our

00:46:05.760 hormones let's control 1.00

00:46:06.680 like our arousal pathways

00:46:07.880 let's change how we look

00:46:09.340 and feel that's like super

00:46:10.880 cool yeah master your body

00:46:12.340 do what you need to do to

00:46:13.300 feel good or be

00:46:14.200 effective in life or seed or

00:46:15.640 thrive by whatever measure

00:46:16.740 you care about like just

00:46:18.860 because we have theories as

00:46:19.800 to why this happens it's

00:46:20.960 funny that it would be so

00:46:22.020 controversial or be seen

00:46:23.020 as hateful to have a

00:46:24.620 theory as to why something

00:46:25.540 happens when whatever it's

00:46:27.240 happening it's real these

00:46:28.560 are real feelings it's

00:46:30.120 similar to our offensive

00:46:31.220 theories around spoonies

00:46:32.200 right that we may think

00:46:33.360 that a lot of it has to do

00:46:34.180 with hypochondria but we

00:46:35.280 don't discount the fact that

00:46:36.680 people are genuinely

00:46:37.500 suffering genuinely feeling

00:46:38.760 real symptoms and pain

00:46:39.960 yeah so it's interesting

00:46:41.720 that one would be well some

00:46:44.200 of this can cause people to

00:46:45.400 dismiss them for example

00:46:46.460 like autogynephilia like you 0.78

00:46:47.940 hear that and you're like

00:46:48.960 if you accept that as the

00:46:50.200 reason why most people are

00:46:51.080 transitioning then you see

00:46:52.320 them as just like pervy men 0.94

00:46:53.600 pretending to be women 0.94

00:46:54.420 yeah but that's so 0.98

00:46:55.060 ridiculous because like how 0.91

00:46:56.140 many people in the world 0.99

00:46:57.360 especially young men live

00:46:59.480 their lives in a certain 0.92

00:47:00.460 way just to get sexual

00:47:01.740 partners or just to get 0.65

00:47:02.540 sexual gratification

00:47:03.440 ultimately like on a

00:47:04.560 macro scale right i'm just

00:47:06.100 saying i can see how that

00:47:07.460 could lead to the

00:47:07.960 dehumanization of trans 0.92

00:47:09.320 individuals in a way that

00:47:11.120 would hurt the movement

00:47:12.120 even if it were true

00:47:14.040 and thus they wouldn't

00:47:14.600 want to discuss i don't

00:47:15.520 think it's true but i'm

00:47:16.340 just saying i see why

00:47:18.100 they would have a

00:47:20.040 political reason to

00:47:21.600 silence any data that

00:47:23.720 could support that

00:47:24.660 hypothesis yeah

00:47:26.160 yeah which is a shame

00:47:28.300 it's a shame because i

00:47:29.620 really would like to

00:47:30.640 understand all of this

00:47:31.520 and i really think that

00:47:32.820 we should reach a

00:47:33.700 position of acceptance

00:47:34.460 beyond that which the

00:47:35.980 trans community is

00:47:37.000 willing to roll out

00:47:38.060 right now which is that

00:47:39.220 if you want to

00:47:39.720 transition it doesn't 0.83

00:47:40.580 matter your reasons

00:47:41.420 as long as culturally

00:47:42.880 that's what your

00:47:43.560 group's okay with

00:47:44.320 you go ahead with

00:47:45.640 that right i support

00:47:46.680 that i don't support

00:47:48.180 trying to inject these

00:47:49.520 ideas into cultural

00:47:50.380 groups where this is

00:47:51.140 not traditional i think

00:47:52.480 it's just one culture's

00:47:53.940 solution to a set of

00:47:56.140 problems but i do

00:47:57.720 support individuals who

00:47:59.300 approach this or over

00:48:01.580 18 and um this makes

00:48:04.460 them feel better and i

00:48:05.180 do think it does make a

00:48:06.100 lot of people feel

00:48:06.600 better and i do think

00:48:07.220 it fixes a lot of

00:48:08.380 problems that almost

00:48:09.660 nothing else can fix in

00:48:10.780 an individual's life

00:48:11.680 yeah agreed all

00:48:14.880 right love you

00:48:15.500 simone i love you

00:48:16.600 you're gonna get so

00:48:17.320 canceled for this

00:48:17.960 episode we're so 0.98

00:48:19.240 screwed 0.97

00:48:19.620 you're gonna get it 0.96

00:48:37.580 you

Based Camp - October 18, 2023

Trans People are Canonically Magical!

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