Based Camp - Trump Accidently Revealed Who Killed Epstein

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking about

00:00:04.720 a spicy topic, which is Epstein. Oh boy. And the reason we're going to be talking about Epstein is

00:00:11.720 I have long wondered what actually happened. Because so many people, when they talk about

00:00:18.520 the Epstein list, or they talk about his death, they use it as just a tool to attempt to score

00:00:25.060 political points on their opponents in ways that don't make a lot of sense if you apply logic to

00:00:31.440 them. And I have seen very little actual investigation trying to understand what

00:00:37.440 actually happened and why, if there is a cover-up, is there a cover-up? And I think that recently,

00:00:43.760 we have received a giant piece of evidence as to what may have happened and who may have been

00:00:51.700 involved that might blow the case open. But what's interesting is a lot of people are completely

00:00:57.500 overlooking this new source of evidence. Yeah, they're just complaining about it. They're just

00:01:00.580 complaining about the redactions and everything else. Yeah. Well, no, no, no, no. What they miss

00:01:04.940 is they see Trump administration. You know, they're running for office. You have somebody like J.D. Vance

00:01:10.100 in 2021. He tweeted, quote, what possible interest would the U.S. government have in keeping Epstein's

00:01:16.640 client's secret? Oh, dot, dot, dot. And then later he said, if you're a journalist and you're not

00:01:21.880 asking questions about this case, you should be ashamed of yourself. What purpose do you even serve?

00:01:27.080 I'm sure there's a middle-class teenager somewhere who could use some harassment, not right now, 1.00

00:01:31.820 but maybe try to do your job once in a while. And then there's a quote that we'll go into of Trump

00:01:37.000 leading up to the election where he was super gun-ho on this. And what people are missing is the

00:01:41.820 crucial piece of evidence that has been revealed, is that Trump's administration hasn't revealed

00:01:48.080 significant evidence. That tells you something. It tells you that when you get a full picture of

00:01:57.100 the case, even if you are Trump's administration, even if you are a Republican administration,

00:02:04.260 you believe it is in your best interest to cover this case up.

00:02:08.700 Hmm. Interesting.

00:02:11.940 Or that the official narrative that he unalived himself is actually true. And I will go into

00:02:20.660 copious evidence that I do not believe that is true that we will get to.

00:02:24.880 Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. And Malcolm and I have been talking, by the way, offline about some,

00:02:29.600 I read this really detailed sub-stack post presenting all the evidence as to like why

00:02:33.420 basically the preponderance of evidence favors that he did indeed die as people have said he died in

00:02:40.920 prison, at least as a government official said he died in prison with no foul play. And yet I can't find

00:02:46.380 it. Which also kind of, to me, suggests that whoever made that post found out something that kind of

00:02:51.700 undid their argument and they took it down.

00:02:54.560 Yeah. That's my assertion. Well, because I did a deep dive on all of the evidence and my read,

00:03:00.860 and I can, I can give you guys like the in-state answer here and we'll work to it. Cause I don't

00:03:05.680 like leaving people hanging on, on theories. My read from the majority of the evidence right now

00:03:13.120 is, and I don't want to call out names was one of these groups because I don't want to put my own

00:03:17.800 life at risk, but it was either a wealthy Muslim within Saudi Arabia, who the U.S. had strong reason 1.00

00:03:26.900 to keep happy, both Republicans and Democrats, and who has a history of doing this sort of thing.

00:03:32.400 Or he worked for Mossad.

00:03:35.040 Or Jeffrey Epstein worked for Mossad.

00:03:37.240 Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent. And I'm not saying that Mossad necessarily installed him.

00:03:43.160 Actually, it would be almost a little insane if various intelligence agencies didn't go out to

00:03:47.900 him. Yeah.

00:03:49.940 Because if you build the network, so people who don't know how intelligence agencies recruit

00:03:53.480 assets, I should probably just go into this before we go further, because my dad was recruited as an

00:03:57.260 intelligence agency asset. The CIA tried to recruit him.

00:04:00.120 Oh, so basically once you reach a certain level of connection and profile, you're probably going to

00:04:04.700 be contacted by some groups because.

00:04:07.920 Yeah. They're like, oh, you got invited to X event with a bunch of Russian dignitaries.

00:04:12.680 You know, you're very patriotic. He was a congressman's son. He was, you know, a known

00:04:17.520 like very patriotic individual. And so they'd be like, hey, here's something you can do for

00:04:21.760 your country. For from Jeffrey Epstein's perspective, you know, he was born Jewish, so they would 0.99

00:04:27.040 have thought that they could have some leverage on him. And he had a lot of powerful people

00:04:32.280 sort of in his debt to some extent, which would highly motivate. In fact, I would be surprised

00:04:39.260 if he wasn't Mossad, that at no point did Mossad contact him. And I'd also point out here, I wouldn't

00:04:44.660 say just a Mossad thing. I would also guess that Russian intelligence contacted him at some point.

00:04:48.720 And I'd bet that the CIA contacted him at some point. He may have been working for various

00:04:51.840 intelligence agencies. Like if you build yourself into a position of power by blackmailing lots of

00:04:57.060 famous people, and it's obvious, and there is a paper trail, you are very desirable from the

00:05:02.680 perspective of as an asset. You're the hottest girl in the club. Yeah. The hottest girl in the 0.99

00:05:07.860 club, right? Yeah. So what I'm saying here isn't insane. I'm not saying that they like implanted him

00:05:13.040 and built his career and everything like that. I like this way of looking at it though. What

00:05:16.780 you're looking at is where are the incentives aligned and who's going to come out of the woodwork

00:05:21.500 for certain things? You know, like if you like put a pile of food in a field, you know, what bugs are

00:05:26.680 going to come flocking to it? Well, yes. And if it was either of these groups, it would 100%

00:05:31.820 explain why neither the Democrats or the Republicans want it released. Because both the Democrats and

00:05:37.600 the Republicans both want the Saudis and Israel to stay our friends. And that matters much more.

00:05:44.880 The stupid answer I keep hearing from people is, oh, Trump is on the list. And this answer just shows 1.00

00:05:50.640 an inability at rational thought. Because if Trump, like if there was concrete evidence,

00:05:56.100 not just Trump on flight records or some picture of Trump, but that tied Trump to Jeffrey Epstein in

00:06:01.620 a nefarious context, the Biden administration 100% would have released it. Whoever it is that people

00:06:09.840 are attempting to protect is somebody who cannot be used to undermine either the Democrats or the

00:06:17.520 Republicans. If it was a mainstream Democrat, the Trump administration would be releasing it if they

00:06:23.220 had hardcore stuff on this. If it was a mainstream Republican, the Democrats would be releasing it.

00:06:27.680 And you can be like, well, maybe there's people on both sides on the list. Then they would have

00:06:32.340 released a redacted list. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's just too tempting. And the fact that the

00:06:38.580 Biden administration was sitting on this and could have done this is very compelling to me and make a

00:06:43.580 great point. Yeah. Something at the core of this is, and I mean core in that you couldn't just give

00:06:50.700 simple redacted lists, is preventing both sides from releasing it. And I note another interesting

00:06:55.380 thing about it is it, the Trump administration, early in the administration, they signaled that

00:07:00.620 they plan to release this information. Yeah. And that appears before they did a deep dive into the

00:07:05.900 information. So it may have been somebody that, you know, you get contacted not in month one when

00:07:12.540 you're president, but month three or four when you're president. And they're like, by the way,

00:07:17.480 I hope we have an understanding over this Epstein thing. And that, that would make sense. Honestly,

00:07:22.920 that one leads me more to believe the Saudis, because I think the Israelis would have immediately 1.00

00:07:27.040 told him to. Yeah. No, they're way too organized. Mossad is too organized to let that slip.

00:07:32.220 Yeah. Whereas the Saudis, I could see them thinking it was more appropriate to, you know, have a personal 1.00

00:07:36.800 conversation. Let's socialize a little bit first. Let's have you visit a little bit first.

00:07:40.660 Let's, you know, because you don't necessarily have to reach out right away because the administration

00:07:45.860 was pretty busy flooding the zone in its first few weeks to do anything about the Jeffrey Epstein

00:07:50.780 stuff anyway. So that makes sense. I'm going to jump right into one of the biggest pieces of

00:07:58.800 evidence around this that I think a lot of people sleep on. And so we're going to go into Alexandra

00:08:04.140 Acosta, who claimed that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence and was quote unquote, above his

00:08:11.860 pay grade in terms of charging him with specific things early in the investigative cycle. And I

00:08:18.040 think that this is actually a really important quote when you get an understanding of who this

00:08:21.900 individual is who made these claims. Okay. So who is he? Alexandra Acosta is an American attorney

00:08:28.880 and former politician who served as the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida 2006 to 2009

00:08:33.960 and later the 27th U.S. Secretary of Labor 2017-2019 under President Trump. A Miami native and son of

00:08:42.200 Cuban immigrants, Acosta graduated from Harvard College and Harvard Law Store, clerked for Judge Samuel

00:08:47.500 Alita and held roles like Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights and Dean of Florida International

00:08:53.200 College Law. And so what I'm pointing out here is this is not a fly-by-night guy. This is not somebody

00:08:59.560 This is not some YouTube conspiracy theorist. This is randomly appointed to a position of power.

00:09:04.280 This is somebody who was structurally like a big deal individual, but also not like a swamp creature

00:09:11.360 like Team Trump, everything like that. Okay. So as U.S. Attorney, Acosta oversaw the 2007 to 2008

00:09:18.840 non-prosecution agreement in PA with Epstein, allowing him to plead guilty to two state-level

00:09:24.940 prostitution charges serving 13 months was work released, despite a 53-page federal indictment

00:09:31.960 for fornication trafficking. This lenient deal later ruled illegal for violating the Crime Victims'

00:09:38.140 Rights Act sparked controversy. The claim in 2017, during the vetting for his labor secretary role,

00:09:45.740 so he's under oath. He's doing a vetting for a labor secretary role. Acosta reportedly told

00:09:51.640 Trump transition officials that he approved the 2008 NPA because he was told Epstein quote-unquote

00:09:58.440 belonged to intelligence and that the issue was quote-unquote above his pay grade. So he was

00:10:05.660 instructed to quote-unquote leave it alone. Hmm. This was reported in the Daily Beast July 2019.

00:10:13.780 So Acosta made this statement to explain why he didn't pursue a stronger federal case against

00:10:21.180 Epstein despite FBI evidence for dozens of victims. The claim surfaced after Epstein's 2019 arrest

00:10:28.620 fueling speculation that Epstein was an intelligent asset. And note, if he was Mossad, this claim would

00:10:34.480 apply to him. Acosta's response at a 2019 press conference. So he was later pressed on this later,

00:10:41.520 like they tried to pin him down on this in public. I guess he didn't know that this would leak that

00:10:45.960 he said this at this hearing. When asked if Epstein was an intelligence asset, Acosta declined to

00:10:51.240 confirm, citing Justice Department regulations and said, quote, I would hesitate to take this reporting

00:10:57.400 as fact, end quote, calling such claims quote-unquote rabbit holes. He emphasized his office acted based on

00:11:04.580 quote-unquote facts, not external pressures. If you are wondering, by the way, that is exactly what I

00:11:11.160 would say if I knew that I was told not to talk about this, and then it leaked, and then the press

00:11:17.220 approached me. And we often have to talk around, you know, people who we know or whatever in press

00:11:23.320 articles. So I'm very familiar with the language you have to use. To not lie, you know, but to also not,

00:11:31.540 you know, 100% confirm this. Yeah, to answer a question without answering the question.

00:11:36.480 To me, there is no reason that somebody, you know, especially while being grilled for an appointment

00:11:43.100 with the Trump administration, with this level of history, would have said something like this,

00:11:50.280 unless it was true. It is such a, it's just, he's not the type of guy who would make this up

00:11:55.580 from his backstory. Well, to both make it up in a hearing, but then not repeat it

00:11:59.500 to journalists. It also would be weird. Yes. It also explains very odd behavior on his part.

00:12:06.960 Why did he build this giant 53-page dossier with dozens of victims and then not attempt to prosecute

00:12:15.000 it? Why would you do that? Why would you have your office do that? Unless you had built it. And then

00:12:20.800 not just that, what's really important about this coming out of him is that he is the person

00:12:27.060 that if Epstein was an intelligence asset that would have been notified, don't continue to pursue

00:12:34.140 this. In fact, it's very likely that he didn't even explain to his subordinates why they had to

00:12:39.540 stop pursuing it. But out of everyone, we happen to get the one person who we know for a fact would

00:12:44.760 have been pulled aside and said, this is an intelligent asset. You need to stop this case.

00:12:49.660 So it checks out. It makes sense in context. And I can't understand why he'd make this up.

00:12:55.880 It's a really good point. Yeah. Okay.

00:13:01.820 And he had, his office drafted a 60 count indictment and received an 82-page prosecution memo from the

00:13:08.240 assistant US Marie Valena in 2007 detailing Epstein's fornication trafficking. His decision

00:13:14.640 to shelve, he would have had a strong reason to move ahead with it. So let's now go into another

00:13:23.500 interesting thing here that's often talked about in regards to this. And note, I'm going to blow up

00:13:28.240 some stuff that people think is evidence of foul play. Like the fact that originally it was said that

00:13:32.660 there were no tapes of what happened and now we have tapes of what happened. That's actually not a

00:13:37.260 particularly bad smoking gun. But I will go to a second smoking gun that a lot of people

00:13:41.760 sweep under the table as being less of a smoking gun than it actually is.

00:13:48.500 So on August 9th to 10th, 2019, MCC guards, so this is where Epstein, when he unalived, was being held,

00:13:57.160 Tova Noel and Michael Thomas were responsible for monitoring Epstein and Special Housing Unit, the SHU.

00:14:02.660 They falsified log entries. So two log entries in a row, claiming to have conducted the required

00:14:09.780 checks at 12 a.m. and 3 a.m. and 5 a.m. Sorry, three log entries in a row. So two people were involved

00:14:15.500 in this and it was the falsification of three entries. That's pretty bad, but also how pervasive

00:14:21.300 is that in the prison system? He was found dead at 6.30 a.m. officially by unaliving via partial

00:14:27.120 hanging. The 2023 OIG report attributed this to negligence, noting the guards were distracted,

00:14:33.960 e.g. online shopping and napping. Online shopping! Woo! Gay! 1.00

00:14:39.300 This is, yeah, a lot of people, they're like, oh, well, there's actually been findings that like 0.85

00:14:46.240 20% of staff within this facility have, so to give context, a 2018 prisoner's BOP audit by the

00:14:54.120 Washington Post reported widespread falsification at the MCC due to overworked staff cutting corners.

00:15:00.580 For example, guards often log checks without physically conducting them, a practice not

00:15:04.940 unique to Noel and Thomas. The OIG noted that nine out of 11 SHU officers on duty that night

00:15:12.660 failed to complete rounds properly, though only Noel and Thomas faced charges due to their direct

00:15:19.500 responsibility for Epstein. So nine out of the 11 guards in some way faked this. But here's the

00:15:25.360 important thing. The faking of it and their specific instances in which they faked of it

00:15:31.420 overlap with the period where Epstein unalived. Yeah, that's uniquely inconvenient. Also, like,

00:15:39.760 wouldn't you check on the celebrity? That, and then we're dealing, the celebrity who might

00:15:46.160 unalive themselves. And a lot of people had said he was on watch, wasn't he? Yeah, he not only was

00:15:51.900 he on watch, but like a huge number of people had a reason to want him dead, right? Like everybody knew

00:15:56.600 this, right? Because he had blackmail information on tons and tons of individuals. And so there was a

00:16:03.120 reason to check. But where this gets really interesting is in the prosecution of these two

00:16:07.380 individuals. So it says, oh, nine out of the 11 people on staff that night didn't properly do

00:16:13.820 their rounds. However, there was no prosecution for any of these other individuals. In addition,

00:16:20.280 when these two individuals were prosecuted, the prosecution was only for skipping on those specific

00:16:26.520 periods and not for any past skipping. If this had been a ongoing issue with these individuals,

00:16:33.600 presumably during the prosecution of them, there would have been a motivation even just to show,

00:16:39.500 hey, this is not like it was actually just negligence, that this had been an ongoing behavioral issue with

00:16:45.960 them. And yet that didn't happen. Which, to me, is a huge red flag. Why was nobody else prosecuted if

00:16:56.640 this is a major issue for this facility and it led to such a high profile screw up?

00:17:00.640 Why did they not go back and check the older logs to prove that these individuals had been skipping

00:17:07.100 regularly? If there was an assassin and somebody had paid them or done something for a family member or

00:17:15.240 threatened a family member or in some other way motivated them, hey, he's a bad guy, let me...

00:17:21.380 Like, the ways that intelligence agencies get people to do things, there's a myriad of ways that they get people

00:17:26.220 to do things. Maybe get some blackmail on them or something. Hey, just don't show up to these two

00:17:30.660 specific shifts, right? They may not even know what was going to happen, right? It's just don't show up

00:17:35.580 to these shifts. That is exactly the way intelligence agencies work when they're pulling something like

00:17:43.280 this off. And it wouldn't have been hard for them to do, is the other thing, right? Like, people act like

00:17:49.620 this is some big, complicated operation when it's like not necessarily. It would also explain how the

00:17:56.400 individuals were able to get on to a facility like this. It would also explain why the cameras

00:18:02.220 that directly looked at his cells were not operational. Because when they said they released

00:18:06.820 camera footage, it was of a surrounding area. And we'll get to the weird camera footage story in a

00:18:11.640 second. Wait, I'm so curious about that. Yeah. Yeah. But I personally found that really, really

00:18:18.100 fascinating. Okay. I also want to just, before we go further, go over the larger case. Because

00:18:26.360 something that I was trying to dig into is, was Epstein just a rich playboy with hebephilia, 0.84

00:18:33.380 you know, liking underage but not minor girls? Or, and who liked drawing other people into this?

00:18:40.420 Or did he have an operation where, and this, by the way, is my reconstruction of events with

00:18:47.360 Jeffrey Epstein. He started as an individual who found ways to blackmail other individuals and worked

00:18:55.020 really intently to draw other individuals into situations of blackmail. Get them implicated. Yeah.

00:19:01.620 Yes. But never, I don't get, I get that he actually had fond relations with the people he was

00:19:06.600 quote unquote blackmailing, where they just sort of knew he had info on them. And so they did him

00:19:11.400 favors. Yeah. This is how trust networks used to work. You just knew that you had embarrassing stuff

00:19:17.240 on your friends. And so you were less likely to, you know, when it became less convenient to back

00:19:21.860 them, you were still. And I believe that he became a, an intelligence asset later. But the reason I was

00:19:28.440 looking into this, I was trying to determine, well, was he actually blackmailing people? Because there

00:19:32.140 isn't hard evidence of him blackmailing anyone. No, I think he just had dirt on a lot of people

00:19:36.880 and that gave him leverage. Yes. Well, and we are aware of an instance of how he did this. So sort

00:19:43.660 of how he operated is he would send girls, like he would go hang out with like wealthy or powerful

00:19:50.360 individuals. And then he would send girls to meet with them. And, and the, the individual who we know

00:19:55.720 we did this to basically open the door and was like, what the are you doing here? Leave and then

00:20:00.840 close the door. But that was, that to me implies he's not just a playboy. He's intentionally trying

00:20:07.820 to get people like dirt on individuals. Yeah. Well, and this is, I think this happens a lot,

00:20:13.140 for example, with like drug dealing, like you give you, you know, some free samples too. Like that could

00:20:18.380 be part of it as well. Yeah. So let's, let's go into where I get this from. The scale of the

00:20:24.460 operation. Epstein's trafficking network was highly organized involving recruiters,

00:20:28.340 Gillian Maxwell, payment to girls, 200 to a thousand per session and steady supply of victims

00:20:33.700 across multiple properties. This level of coordination documented in the 2019 indictment

00:20:38.560 suggests more than personal indulgent, hinting at a broader purpose. Surveillance equipment. His

00:20:43.640 properties were equipped with cameras for the New York times, 2019 and a victim accounts,

00:20:48.880 raising questions about the recording purposes beyond personal use, such as blackmail intelligence

00:20:53.820 ties. Alexander Acosta's claims that Epstein quote unquote belong to intelligence. He strongly

00:20:58.340 suggests that this goes beyond hedonism as well. Unprosecuted crimes. Epstein's escape from charges

00:21:03.640 in the 2094 Towers financial Ponzi scheme, which we'll go over later in lenient 2008 plea deal

00:21:10.600 suggests protection, possibly from leveraging compromising material, not just a playboy lifestyle.

00:21:16.560 I actually don't think that that's what happened. I'll go over the timeline. I think that those

00:21:20.340 charges for the Ponzi scheme is when he was recruited. And I think that this indicates

00:21:24.860 that he was working for the CIA potentially as well as Mossad. If you could say, well,

00:21:29.040 if he was working for the CIA, why don't you think the CIA did it? And I think it's because I don't,

00:21:32.800 I don't think they're competent. I don't think they're competent enough. I don't, I don't think

00:21:36.760 that they would or would think in the modern age to do something like that, even if one of their assets

00:21:41.980 was in jail. Whereas I think that Mossad, if you look at like the pager thing and other

00:21:48.300 ops they've run recently, absolutely had the capabilities and the desire to do something like

00:21:53.440 this. Surveillance systems. Epstein's Manhattan townhouse. So in terms of where the cameras were,

00:21:58.780 they had hidden cameras in the bedrooms and bathrooms per victim accounts and FBI searches.

00:22:03.860 Guffrey alleged in her 2005 lawsuit that Gillian instructed her to gather, quote unquote,

00:22:09.400 embarrassing information on powerful men. So he was directly directing people to do this.

00:22:14.980 And the 2019 raid on Epstein's Manhattan home found CDs labeled with names of individuals alongside

00:22:21.180 miscellaneous nudes or girl pics suggesting compromising material. Oh my goodness.

00:22:27.280 Hard drives were also seen though their content remains unreleased. And this gets really interesting.

00:22:32.200 So we know they have the CDs, but we don't know whose names was on them. We know,

00:22:36.000 we know that there were names on them. We don't know whose, we know that there were hard drives

00:22:40.920 that they seized. And so you have people say, oh, they didn't get the information. Oh, they didn't

00:22:46.920 get the, and we're like, we know for a fact, that's not true. Right. They have the dirt.

00:22:51.640 He didn't have a list. Could we at least get a list of the names on the CDs? Like that's a,

00:22:57.940 that's an important list, right? I wonder though, I mean, is there, are you going to argue that also

00:23:02.060 the argument, sorry, that the government benefits from having these lists themselves? Now they just

00:23:08.640 have all the benefits that Epstein did and they can call these people and be like, yeah.

00:23:13.420 So I have a picture of you right here with, you know, insert embarrassing scenario. So you want

00:23:18.720 to tell me about X? Cause I think that there are many scenarios in which government intelligence

00:23:22.260 agencies are just agencies in general. We'd love to be able to call someone up and be like,

00:23:26.720 embarrassing picture here. Shame if it got published tomorrow and then instantly get answers.

00:23:32.660 Is that part of the issue here? Is that if they released everything suddenly, it'd be a lot harder

00:23:36.760 for them to get answers and leverage from people. No, no. Okay. Why? I don't think that's it. And I'll

00:23:43.120 note here that for one of the theories that I'm going to come up with is of what could have led to

00:23:47.160 this. Yeah. The fact that he labeled some CDs was girl picks imply something. It implies that he had

00:23:54.620 multiple categories of picks, including a guy picks category. Oh, no one talks about that. No one

00:24:00.980 talks about the Epstein boys. Well, the reason why this is important to one of my series is if you're

00:24:09.160 talking about someone within Saudi Arabia who was wealthy, them sleeping around with girls on a trip

00:24:15.500 wouldn't be that big. Yeah. That is not scandalous. Sleeping around with men would be execution. And so

00:24:22.400 a very big deal under Sharia law. And so this is why I suspect that that could be what's upstream of

00:24:30.160 all this. And there's actually a lot of evidence for that, which we'll do. Everyone talks about all

00:24:35.920 these young girls that got looped into Epstein's nightmarish scenarios and creepy, uncomfortable

00:24:41.760 whatevers. And then no boys are coming forward. Why would the girls come forward? The reason is,

00:24:50.300 because if you know the people involved in this, and you were one of these guys, you know very much

00:24:57.620 how extremely dead you'd be if you came forward. And Epstein likely knew how extremely dead he'd be

00:25:03.700 if he came forward. But before people were at, because we're going to go over flight logs and

00:25:08.940 stuff like that, they get pretty interesting on this point. And I want to be clear in what I'm saying

00:25:14.020 here. I am in no way saying anything about the royal family in Saudi Arabia. I'm just saying

00:25:18.860 powerful interests within Saudi Arabia is what we'll be going over. I don't want to make any claims

00:25:24.400 about that. That is not what I'm saying. But I'd say that that's why the men who are involved in this

00:25:31.220 aren't coming over. And you'd be like, wait, why would the men only be involved with high profile Muslims,

00:25:37.280 whereas the underage women would have been involved with? Well, because one, people in a lot of Muslim 1.00

00:25:43.620 countries just aren't going to care. You haven't actually gotten dirt on them if you've gotten them

00:25:47.180 to sleep with a 16-year-old woman, right? Like that's not real dirt from the perspective of these

00:25:51.500 countries. And if you're an American, sleeping with men, especially if they're not underage, is just not

00:25:58.240 dirt. That's not something you could hold over most American politicians or something like that.

00:26:03.520 They'd just be like, oh, now I look sexually adventurous. Whereas, you know, there's like,

00:26:09.240 know your audience, know the context. Victim testimony. So, Gerefree claimed that Epstein and

00:26:14.520 Maxwell directed her to have sex with specific high profile figures like Prince Andrew to collect

00:26:19.240 information per her 2015 disposition. Another victim, Sarah Ranson, alleged in 2016 that Epstein

00:26:26.180 recorded sex tapes of prominent men, though she later admitted to fabricating some of the claims.

00:26:31.580 Leslie Wexner accused Epstein of misappropriated $46 million per a 2019 letter to his foundation,

00:26:38.900 but he didn't report it until after Epstein's arrest. This delay could suggest that Epstein

00:26:43.720 held leverage over Wexner, possibly compromising material. No, no direct evidence confirms this.

00:26:49.120 So basically, this one guy, we'll get into this, Epstein managed all his money. After Epstein's

00:26:53.800 arrest for this stuff, this guy said, he stole $46 million from me. He allowed Epstein to

00:27:01.360 continue managing his money. Why did he do that if Epstein didn't have blackmail material on him?

00:27:06.240 That to me suggests a blackmail operation. I'd be stoked if I were that guy and Epstein

00:27:11.280 didn't exist anymore. And then we had flight logs, the list of individuals like Clinton, 27 flights,

00:27:19.200 Trump, seven flights, and Arab Barack, which we'll get to in a bit, indicating Epstein specifically had

00:27:26.420 a lot of powerful men go to his stuff. Now we're going to go to next piece of evidence that this

00:27:31.920 was probably not unaliving. But I do like that we're getting true crimey in this episode.

00:27:37.460 Yeah, I'm enjoying this thoroughly. Yes.

00:27:41.760 So the details of Epstein's neck injuries, I don't know, did you hear about this?

00:27:45.300 So, and this had to do with the partial hanging?

00:27:50.140 Yes. So an autopsy conducted by New York City's chief medical examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson,

00:27:56.020 found specific injuries to Epstein's neck that raised questions about the manner of death.

00:28:00.760 Here is a detailed breakdown. Injuries observed, hyroid bone fracture. Epstein had a fractured

00:28:06.860 hyroid bone, a small U-shaped bone in the neck below the jaw, which supports the tongue.

00:28:12.580 The Washington Post, 2019, reported that this injury was noted in the autopsy.

00:28:17.840 Thyroid cartilage damage. The autopsy also identified fractures in the thyroid cartilage,

00:28:23.060 Adam's apple, another structure in the neck. Per forensic pathologist report cited in the same

00:28:27.980 article. Other findings. The autopsy noted ligature marks consistent with a bed sheet used as a noose

00:28:33.880 tied to the top bunk of his cell. Epstein was found with the sheet around his neck kneeling or

00:28:38.920 leaning forwards in a quote-unquote partial hanging position as he didn't jump from a height.

00:28:44.920 And the, this, this is- How could that-

00:28:47.180 Hold on. This is really important, what I'm about to get into here.

00:28:49.700 Okay, go ahead.

00:28:50.020 Epstein was in a small single occupant cell in the special housing unit that was approximately

00:28:55.500 eight by 10 feet. It was a bunk bed, toilet, and sink. The bunk bed was about five to six feet high,

00:29:01.860 insufficient for a full body drop, typical of hangings. The height meant that Epstein's

00:29:07.180 hanging was likely a low force, partial suspension, where his body weight applied pressure to his

00:29:12.900 neck while kneeling or sitting. A common method was in prison and aliveings. Now, why is this

00:29:18.200 important? Because the type of injury that he had to his neck, which we'll get to in a second,

00:29:24.020 very rarely happens on hanging suicides, even when the individual has jumped from a height. And so the

00:29:31.060 fact that he was able to obtain these injuries in a cell that was only eight by 10 feet.

00:29:37.340 Right. He didn't, there's not enough torque. He lacked the torque.

00:29:40.880 He lacked the torque to create these injuries, which we'll get to, and we'll get to their frequency,

00:29:46.100 and we'll get to studies on their frequency right now. Because I'm going to give you,

00:29:50.460 I'm going to make this episode, even for you, Simone, the deepest you've ever heard somebody go

00:29:54.020 on this case.

00:29:54.500 I really appreciate this because I've been watching coverage out of interest. And yeah,

00:29:59.320 man.

00:29:59.420 The rarity of hyroid bone and thyroid cartilage fractures in suicidal hangings,

00:30:04.560 especially partial hangings, is central to the debate. Here's what the forensic evidence suggests.

00:30:09.180 Hyroid bone fractures. General prevalent studies in forensic pathology, the Journal of Forensic

00:30:14.260 Sciences, 2005, indicated that hyroid bone fractures occur in 20% to 30% of hanging unalivings,

00:30:20.700 more commonly in older individuals. Now keep in mind, I'd seen was 66, which provides some

00:30:26.840 wiggle room here due to bone brittleness and strangulation, homicidal or accidental. Hyroid 1.00

00:30:32.700 bone fractures are more frequent, occurring in 50% to 70% of cases as the neck is compressed with

00:30:38.520 greater force and compressed asymmetrically. So you get it in 50% to 70%, not even all. So you need

00:30:45.320 quite a violent strangulation to cause this in most cases.

00:30:49.000 Wow. You're trying to argue that maybe, plausibly, it's because he was older and therefore frail?

00:30:55.500 So in partial hangings, this is Epstein, hyroid bone fractures are even less common,

00:31:00.600 only occurring in 10% to 20% of cases compared to drop hangings. So you would only expect this in

00:31:08.000 10% to 20% of cases. Now the thyroid cartilage fractures, prevalence, thyroid cartilage fractures

00:31:13.480 are also less common in partial hangings, 10% to 20% compared to strangulation, 40% to 60%

00:31:20.300 per forensic studies. American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, 2010. The cartilage is more

00:31:26.000 flexible in younger individuals, but brittle in older ones, increasing Epstein's risk. So on the

00:31:30.940 other side, he was older. Multiple fractures, hyroid and thyroid in a single case are rarer still,

00:31:37.420 occurring in less than 10% of hangings and unalivings, according to Dr. Cyril Rech, another

00:31:43.360 pathologist cited in the Washington Post. So the exogenous yoinking evidence is growing here.

00:31:50.560 Yeah, this combination is more typical in strangulation, where the manual literature

00:31:55.240 force targets multiple neck structures. He was yoinked. Someone yoinked him.

00:32:00.520 Individual thyroid fractures occur in a minority of hanging suicides, especially partial ones,

00:32:05.360 but are not impossible, the 10% to 30% range. However, the combination of both fractures is

00:32:09.980 extremely rare. And so this heavily implies that he was strangled and quite violently, which was

00:32:18.220 somebody who wanted to strangle him quickly, which would be the case if you were going into a prison and

00:32:23.820 then having to leave and then setting a rush and you had a 90 second interval to make it in and out

00:32:29.620 of the cell while the camera was turned off in the hallway, maybe? I don't, I don't know if I don't buy

00:32:36.540 as much from this camera, but there is some evidence of the camera. So let's talk about the camera right

00:32:40.640 now. Yeah, let's please. I want to note here, if you come to me and you say, well, this could be a

00:32:47.080 coincidence, Malcolm, when you have a lot of people who have a motive to kill someone, and that individual

00:32:52.980 dies, and there are a large number of coincidences around that, you have to calculate the probability

00:33:00.040 of that many coincidences happening in a row, and you can get a number where it becomes wilder, and actually

00:33:09.360 significantly wilder, to assume they are coincidences, than just assume the people with motive means and

00:33:15.840 opportunity took that motive means and opportunity. Specifically here, what I'm talking about is the guards

00:33:21.560 falsifying the logs during the window of death, the camera malfunction in that specific area and

00:33:26.080 time frame, the rare bone fracture patterns for partial hanging, previous cases dropped with

00:33:31.000 prosecutor citing quote-unquote intelligence concerns, the consistent pattern of officials changing their

00:33:37.340 stance after reviewing classified materials, and the timing of the routine reset camera gap. Each

00:33:43.120 individual event might have a, let's say, 10 to 20 percent chance of being a coincident. But when you

00:33:48.840 multiply these probabilities together, you get something like 0.1 times 0.2 times 0.15 times 0.1

00:33:54.740 times 0.05, and you get a number that's like 0.00000015, or about a one in 600,000 chance that is

00:34:05.440 coincidental. First, why did they say that there wasn't a camera there to begin with, and then all

00:34:11.620 of a sudden we have camera footage, right? Yeah. Okay. Septicoid investigations revealed that some

00:34:17.780 video footage from the MCC did exist, though it was limited. The DOJ and FBI clarified that while

00:34:23.700 cameras in the hallway captured certain areas, they did not have a direct view into Epstein's cell

00:34:29.480 to the camera placement and design of the facility. Footage from the night of Epstein's death was later

00:34:35.260 reviewed as part of the investigation, but officials noted it was incomplete or lacked critical details due to

00:34:41.060 issues like camera angles, record collapse, and system malfunctions. The DOJ office and the Inspector

00:34:46.260 General, OIG, released a report in 2023 detailing the circumstances of Epstein's death.

00:34:53.320 It confirmed multiple failures at the MCC, including staffing shortages, procedural violations, e.g. guards

00:35:00.100 failing to conduct required checks, and issues with surveillance systems. The report noted that while

00:35:05.040 some cameras were operational, the footage did not provide conclusive evidence about the events

00:35:09.740 inside Epstein's cells as the cameras only covered the hallway. The OIG attributed the initial confusion

00:35:16.620 about cameras to poor communication and management within the facility. Which, again, I mean, these

00:35:21.260 prisons are not known for being run incredibly well. Okay. What happened here? So the camera was

00:35:26.520 sussed, but the entire prison was sussed. The point here being is it does appear that some cameras were down at

00:35:30.940 the facility. The cameras with the best views of the cell were down at the facility. The camera footage

00:35:36.060 that we have is not one of the best views of the cell. It just covers, like, the entrance to the pass that

00:35:41.340 would have gone to the cell. Oh, and this is your point. Whether they weren't wrong about the cameras

00:35:45.260 being down. The footage that we received where they're like, but you said there was no footage. It was from a totally

00:35:49.580 different camera, which before they basically didn't count because you don't see anything. Right. And I think that

00:35:55.660 everybody's focused on, like, this, oh, this one-minute gap in the video or something. Or I'm like,

00:36:01.100 given the length of time between now and this case, you could have swapped out that footage for any

00:36:07.660 other footage of any other night. Right? Like, there's no reason for us to suspect that this is

00:36:13.900 the actual footage from that night. I personally do not believe that what happened was that they cut

00:36:20.380 out the one-minute of footage when somebody went in there. I just think they swapped out the nights.

00:36:25.820 But we'll get to why I think that in a second. But also, the one minute of footage is, like,

00:36:30.460 way more sus than it initially appears when you look at the excuse for it. So,

00:36:36.940 official explanations for the missing minute. The Department of Justice, DOJ, and the FBI released

00:36:42.220 approximately 11 hours of surveillance footage from the MCC Special Housing Unit, SHU, on July 7th,

00:36:48.540 2025, covering a period from 7.30 p.m. on August 9th, 2019, to 6.40 a.m. on August 10th, 2019,

00:36:56.860 when Epstein was found dead. The footage intended to confirm the official conclusion of an aliving

00:37:02.620 contains a noticeable gap when the time step jumps from 11.58, 58 p.m. to 12 a.m., resulting in the

00:37:11.740 missing minute and two seconds. Attorney General Pam Bondi addressed this gap during the White House

00:37:17.560 cabinet meeting on July 8th, 2025, explaining that the missing minute was due to a routine

00:37:23.400 nightly reset of the MCC's outdated video surveillance system, which she claimed occurred

00:37:28.280 every night at midnight. Bondi stated that this reset caused a consistent one-minute gap in recordings

00:37:33.940 across all nights, not just the night of Epstein's death, and that the DOJ was working together all

00:37:39.040 additional footage from other days to demonstrate this pattern. This sounds like one of those things in

00:37:43.720 caper films where they're like, well, there's one flaw in the security system, and we have this

00:37:49.240 60-second period where we have to sneak through while the camera system's down. But that just seems like

00:37:54.600 such an implausible thing. Like, I never take that trope seriously because who would have a camera system

00:37:59.480 that's consistently down for one minute every night? Yes, exactly one time. But here's the problem.

00:38:05.960 Um, they made the claim that they were going to do this quite a while ago, and they haven't released

00:38:12.440 any other footage showing that this happens on other nights. Oh. Okay, we're gathering it. We'll

00:38:18.120 come to you. I can very much imagine that she believed this. Somebody told her this. She then goes

00:38:22.760 to her. And they were like, actually, we tried collecting it, and we're not finding it in other

00:38:27.160 nights. And then she's like, oh. Like, I don't think, like, necessarily she's involved in a cover-up. I think

00:38:31.880 she's just doing what other people are like, hey. Yeah, I think she's in the middle of this.

00:38:35.960 Or that, you know, because she originally was extremely bullish, right? She was like, 1.00

00:38:39.400 it's on my desk. Like, this is coming out. And then I feel like other people have been like,

00:38:46.840 yeah, you're going to have to change your stance on this. This is above your pay grade.

00:38:51.560 Above your pay grade. Somebody else said this is above your pay grade.

00:38:54.600 Yeah, I don't want to be her right now because she's getting so much hate that I, yeah,

00:38:58.200 I don't think this was in her control because I think it was on her desk. I do think she saw it,

00:39:02.920 and I think she was ready for it to go. Yeah, yeah. But to continue here, the 2023 DOJ Office

00:39:08.840 of Inspector General's report, the OIG report for Epstein's desk, does not mention a routine

00:39:14.200 nightly reset causing a one-minute gap, but does document systemic issues with the MCC surveillance

00:39:19.720 system, including a malfunction on July 29th, 2019 that caused recordings to be made for only about

00:39:25.320 half of the cameras. I'd also note here that the malfunction happened on that specific day,

00:39:30.760 which again is incredibly sus if you have somebody doing an assassination.

00:39:36.840 Yeah, this is another one of those like caper film things of like,

00:39:40.760 the camera system went down. Yeah. Oh no, the cameras are scrambled. What happened? Do, do, do.

00:39:46.840 Yeah. I also, if you're watching this and you're like, okay, there was a one-minute gap,

00:39:50.440 but was that one-minute gap even around a time that was relevant to Epstein dying? The missing

00:39:56.840 minute 11.58 to 12 a.m. occurs within the critical overnight period where Epstein was alone in his

00:40:05.160 cell. The DOJ memo and footage indicate that Epstein was last seen as being alive in his cell around 7.49

00:40:11.640 p.m. with a guard visit less visible in the area at 10.51 p.m. No one was seen approaching his cell

00:40:17.720 door until the guards discovered him unresponsive at 6.30 a.m. on August 10th, 2019. So if we're

00:40:24.520 looking at the official timetable, the, the, the unaliving happened between 10.40 p.m. and 6.30 a.m.,

00:40:33.240 which is, was in the window of the jump in the footage.

00:40:40.280 And then we have the three guard checks that didn't happen in a row. And we have the cameras

00:40:44.200 that went down. Yeah, that is, that is too many things happening at once.

00:40:47.880 It's like any one of these things individually, I could be like, okay.

00:40:51.400 Yeah, fine. Okay.

00:40:53.800 But it's not just that you have all these things happening at once. You have all these things

00:40:57.240 happening at once to an individual that other people had said was involved with high-level

00:41:02.120 intelligence. And like, like when I say other people, I mean, people who were managing his case

00:41:08.120 and dropped it out of the blue and then had to explain why they dropped it out of the blue.

00:41:12.120 I'm not talking about like a reporter or a muckraker or anything like that. It was people

00:41:16.600 with a vested interest to not say something like that, as we can see by what he said when he was

00:41:21.480 asked directly by a reporter. To me, I'm just like, okay, so we have a, a, a motive, a means,

00:41:28.680 an opportunity, and like five or six really, really unlikely coinciding coincidences.

00:41:35.480 And so one of the excuses that I would make for guard-based negligence don't work here. Like,

00:41:40.920 oh, they're underpaid. But if I were an underpaid guard, then what I would be doing is going in to

00:41:46.520 check on Epstein all the time so that I could get dirt that I could sell to tabloids.

00:41:51.880 Yes, that's actually a very good point.

00:41:54.520 Check on him more. One, because you're bored and underpaid and you'd rather check on him than

00:41:58.040 other people who like are violent and annoying. And two, yeah, it's, it's lucrative to check on him.

00:42:03.880 All right. Now we're going to go into Trump, Epstein relationship timeline for people who

00:42:09.640 think that Trump was actually involved in any of this. I do not think he was. And I think we

00:42:14.440 actually have fairly strong evidence that he wasn't. What we do know is that early 2000s,

00:42:19.400 Trump and Epstein were very friendly before Epstein's criminal activities became widely public.

00:42:24.840 And no, Trump turned on him very early in the criminal investigation, which we'll get to.

00:42:29.080 Trump spoke positively about him, emphasizing their social connection and shared interests.

00:42:33.560 This was during a period where Epstein was known as a wealthy financier and social elite,

00:42:38.440 and their interactions were documented at events like those at Mar-a-Lago. A quote in 2002 by Trump

00:42:43.880 said, I've known just Epstein for 15 years, terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said

00:42:50.200 that he likes beautiful women as much as I do. And many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about

00:42:55.560 that. Jeffrey Epstein enjoys a social life. Now, I'd also note what he's saying here,

00:43:01.160 because I think that people misread this a little. They say that, oh, this is proof that Trump knew.

00:43:06.520 This to me is a little side eye from Trump about doing this.

00:43:11.400 Also, because it's not his type. Like phenotypically young looking or underage looking women 1.00

00:43:16.920 clearly are not Trump's type. He has a type. And yeah, I really think it's more like him being

00:43:24.680 like, yeah, this guy is a little weird, you know, not my taste, but he has fun.

00:43:30.040 Yeah. Well, I mean, except for his daughter, the jokes are there from the.

00:43:33.960 Yeah, but that's known. When he said all the things about her, though, it's her as an adult who does

00:43:40.200 not look like a teen. She does not look like a teen at all. Yeah, at all. Yeah. So my read is,

00:43:46.920 I've seen no instance that Trump is interested in this stuff. And I have seen Trump like reveal

00:43:53.560 things like that. For example, the way he acts towards his daughter is genuinely kind of creepy

00:43:58.600 and outside of sexual norms. So it's not that Trump is like super good at covering.

00:44:04.520 He doesn't know he he does not hide his. He's also bragged about sleeping with friends,

00:44:11.080 wives and stuff like this and recording it. And this is another reason why he succeeds is

00:44:15.640 because there are no secrets he's hiding. Yeah, he talks about his virtues and vices are 100%

00:44:21.560 public. Grab him by the P word. He talks about going into women's locker rooms that like the the 1.00

00:44:27.000 beauty pageants and stuff like that. He is not afraid of breaking sexual taboos. He apparently looks

00:44:33.160 down on people as I get from this comment who break this sexual taboo. He sees this as crossing a line,

00:44:39.960 which is what I take from that comment. And we actually see this because Trump actually sort of

00:44:45.320 flipped on Epstein very early. So let's get into this as well as the timeline of this. So Epstein's

00:44:51.640 first major legal troubles began in 2005 or 2006 when the Palm Beach police investigation

00:44:57.640 investigated major allegations of sexual misconduct with minors leading to his 2007 plea deal in 2008

00:45:05.320 conviction for soliciting what would I say paid fornication from a minor. The reported Mar-a-Lago

00:45:12.120 ban is said to have occurred around 2007 before the conviction but during the period where his behavior

00:45:17.560 is under scrutiny. So I will note that we're going to get into Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago.

00:45:22.920 They had that much of a falling out. And this happened before the conviction and before a lot

00:45:28.280 of Epstein's problems around this stuff were made public. And it was for something fairly minor,

00:45:32.760 if I understand correctly, like allegedly. We're going to go into it. We're going to go into it.

00:45:37.640 Okay. Yeah. So according to the book, The Grifters Club 2020, a book by Miami Herald journalist,

00:45:43.080 Sarah Blasky, Nicholas Noges and Caitlin Ostroff, Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after an incident

00:45:49.720 involving Epstein's inappropriate behavior towards the teenage daughter of a club member. The book

00:45:54.520 cites sources claiming Epstein made advances towards the underage girl prompting Trump to

00:45:59.000 bar him from the property. A 2019 Washington Post article corroborates this, reporting that Trump's

00:46:04.360 decision came after Epstein's behavior in Mar-a-Lago raised concerns, specifically citing an incident

00:46:09.640 with a member's daughter. So specifically, a member came to Trump and asked if his daughter could

00:46:15.160 have a job at the establishment. Trump gave his daughter a job and then Epstein attempted to

00:46:22.360 aggressively hit on this girl. And Trump was apparently, which I can really understand,

00:46:28.440 you're doing a favor for a friend, you're trying to, you know, help their daughter. And then

00:46:32.440 this daughter of a friend of yours comes to you and is like, dude, like I'm X age and this guy was

00:46:37.720 aggressively hitting on me. And, and Trump then banned him. Now I know if Epstein had a bunch of stuff on

00:46:44.440 Trump, I don't think Trump's going to ban him from his establishment. Especially given that other

00:46:48.680 people have apparently lost millions of dollars due to Epstein. Because of stuff Epstein had on

00:46:53.640 them. Yeah. And then continued to work with Epstein. Yeah. That to me indicates, yeah, Epstein,

00:47:00.200 definitely. I know. Yeah. Another guy had $43 million stolen from him and was able to do nothing

00:47:05.000 because of the stuff that Epstein had on him. Trump felt comfortable just banning him from the property.

00:47:10.680 Yeah. That's fair. And, and I'd note here, your initial thought was that maybe Epstein had

00:47:16.120 something on somebody who Trump cares about. Cause Trump would do a lot, for example, to protect

00:47:19.720 his family. Like would Epstein target Trump's kids? Potentially. Yes. They're exactly the type

00:47:25.640 of people he would target. However, if he had successfully gotten dirt on them and there was

00:47:31.000 confirmation of it, I think the Democrats would have at least released it during the campaign cycle.

00:47:35.080 Yeah. And I hadn't considered that because that would just be so tempting. Their own

00:47:38.840 Well, they would have seen it as perfect revenge for the Hunter Biden stuff. Exactly. Yeah.

00:47:44.840 So I, and I'd also note here, Bradley Edler is an attorney for Epstein's victims also stated in his

00:47:51.160 book, Relentless Pursuits in 2020, that Trump banned Epstein after the incident based on information

00:47:56.920 from a Mar-a-Lago source. And Edwards, this is not somebody who's like a big Trump fan or anything

00:48:00.920 like that noted that Trump was one of the first high profile figures to take such action. So Trump

00:48:06.760 was the first high profile figure to go against Epstein that even, even by, you know, the, the

00:48:12.520 very lawyer that represented Epstein victims, like he's like, and Trump was a good guy in all of this.

00:48:18.840 So, you know, keep that in mind as well, right? Like this to me indicates as well, if it had been

00:48:25.240 one of Trump's kids or somebody who Trump had as like a major donor, I suspect they would have told

00:48:29.480 him when he was making all these claims about releasing this information or earlier in his

00:48:33.480 administration. Yeah. Yeah. He, yeah. Well, and I even think that before that he probably would

00:48:37.960 have known like, let's say it was one of his kids. One of his kids might've approached him and been

00:48:41.800 like, Hey, can you maybe like stop talking about releasing the Epstein files? Because I have to tell 0.73

00:48:46.360 you something and you're not going to like it. And yeah. And yet he was very consistent and very

00:48:52.680 enthusiastic about this. About releasing the Epstein files. Yeah, exactly.

00:48:56.760 This is why I think it was another nation that both the Democrats and the Republicans want to stay

00:49:01.960 friends with rather than an individual. Again, just logic people try to piece this together in your

00:49:08.200 heads in and, and, and to the other nation saying absolutely 100%. If he was a Mossad agent,

00:49:17.960 and this was a Mossad operation, or if it was an operation with any ties to powerful Saudi individuals,

00:49:24.040 in both instances, Trump 1000% would have covered it up. No doubt in my mind that he would have covered

00:49:31.080 this up. And, and so would Biden, which would perfectly explain both instances, despite all

00:49:37.640 of the smoking guns and public hurrahs he could get from revealing this. So let's go into Trump's

00:49:43.880 changing attitude on Epstein. Quote, 2019, reflecting on earlier events. Quote,

00:49:49.080 I had a falling out with him a long time ago. I don't think I've spoken to him in 15 years. I

00:49:53.480 wasn't a fan in quote. And this was in 2019. And he genuinely doesn't, it's, he appears to have

00:49:59.960 thought the guy was a creep from what I can tell. And that the earlier stuff, given that he gave a

00:50:04.600 little shade to Epstein, even in the positive early quotes, implies to me that this is when he was rising

00:50:09.800 to power and he thought he needed to play with by Epstein's rules. Because Epstein was a bigger power

00:50:14.680 player than he was, was in those circles, especially within the New York social elite,

00:50:18.760 which Trump really wanted to be accepted by. And if you want to get an idea of how insecure

00:50:22.360 Trump was during that period, keep in mind, there's the famous call, which has always been to me,

00:50:26.760 one of my favorite things ever that we have. This is a piece of historic evidence of

00:50:32.760 the, there was this competition for like the wealthiest person in New York and Trump wanted to

00:50:37.720 get his name on the list, but he actually didn't qualify. He lied about how much wealth he had to get

00:50:41.880 on the list. And we, this is also how he got loans. It's a long story. We're not going to go into this,

00:50:46.520 but he called up the organization because of course then he was not a big deal. People didn't know the

00:50:52.920 sound of his voice pretending to be his publicist talking himself up. And if you're a human today,

00:51:01.160 and you listen to this recording, you're like, that is what a hundred percent Trump.

00:51:06.040 I love that he didn't try to change his voice or anything. He just kept all his personal mannerisms.

00:51:12.680 He's like, Trump is like the greatest and the wealthiest man to ever exist. You should see all

00:51:18.920 of the nice things he owns. They're all so beautiful and shiny. It's the best. But the reason I like this

00:51:25.800 call as a fan of Trump is because it shows the amount of hustle and fake it till you make it that

00:51:34.680 Trump represented during this period of his life and his personal hustle. He was doing this to get

00:51:40.760 on the most wealthy list rather than hiring a publicist, what you would do if you were actually

00:51:47.720 wealthy. He faked being his own publicist to try to get a position on that list. Like what a, what a,

00:51:57.320 what a hustler you have to be to do something that insane. Um, that, that both bold and, and,

00:52:06.280 you know, as we always say to get grandeur, you need delusions of grandeur because he achieved a

00:52:11.160 lot of that later, right? Like he did achieve a great deal of wealth later, but during this time

00:52:15.480 when he wasn't like willing to publicly do anything other than like shade Epstein under the table,

00:52:19.880 I get the impression he knew he wanted to do more, but he didn't feel that he had the,

00:52:23.880 the power to do anything. And he was very insecure, which you see a lot of in Trump's earlier stuff is

00:52:29.400 just a very insecure person, which I think he also significantly changed between the two election

00:52:34.360 cycles. I think he was still pretty insecure in his first election cycle. And I think within this

00:52:37.800 election cycle, he's, he's become incredibly secure. Um, and he doesn't really care what other

00:52:42.600 people think of him anymore. Yeah. In 2019 further, further details, he did get scrutinized by saying of

00:52:51.720 Gillian Maxwell in June, June, 2020, after Epstein's death, he said, I wish her well, frankly,

00:52:58.920 I've met her numerous times over the year, especially since I lived in Palm beach and I

00:53:02.840 guess they lived in Palm beach, but I wish her well, whatever it is. And people were like, oh,

00:53:07.400 Matt. Oh, how could you wish her well? And I'm like, bro, like, this is somebody who is like in

00:53:11.960 similar social circles to you. Of course you're going to like, what does he need to dehumanize

00:53:17.320 everyone? Like, is that like, you know, a friend of hers just died horribly in prison and she is

00:53:24.200 undergoing trial and likely going to spend a lot of the rest of her life in prison and disgraced.

00:53:28.440 Does he need to be like that horrible person got like, what a, what a inappropriate thing to say

00:53:34.040 that they expected from him. But if we're talking about this election cycle in 2024 on the Lex

00:53:38.360 Freeman podcast, what's Trump doing on Lex Freeman's podcast and not ours? Lex Freeman's podcast is

00:53:42.760 boring. And I, I met Lex Freeman and he didn't have me on his podcast as well. So I've got a beef

00:53:47.880 with him. He, she, well, everyone else has us. Why not Lex Freeman? Thanks. He's too good for us.

00:53:54.280 That's, that's what this is. I think he has trouble just keeping up with his inbox, like all too many

00:53:59.080 people. Well, quote, I'm going to release everything we have on Epstein, the files, the records,

00:54:06.680 everything people want to know, and we're not going to hide it in quote. So this was a campaign

00:54:14.520 promise. This is something JD Vance had said historically. And Trump has made a lot of

00:54:18.840 sacrifices to keep true to his, his campaign promises. So like, if he doesn't, if he breaks a

00:54:23.960 promise, it's probably for a really good reason. And then things begin to change, right? So as of April

00:54:32.280 22nd, 2025, he said, I don't know. I'll speak to the attorney general about that in quote.

00:54:38.920 And then there's the time when he snapped at somebody during a meeting is very recently, July

00:54:44.200 8th, 2025. So yesterday, are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy has been talked

00:54:49.800 about for years. You're asking, we have Texas, we have all this, all the great things that we've done,

00:54:55.160 all the people, and we're still talking about this guy. This is like a parent promises a trip to

00:55:00.520 Disneyland to their kids. And he's like, I promise we're definitely going to go to Disneyland this

00:55:04.440 year. And then it's like, why? You're always talking about Disneyland. You went to Disneyland

00:55:08.920 two years ago. Why do you? Yeah. I mean, I can't believe you're asking questions on Epstein at a time

00:55:14.280 like this, when we're having some of the greatest successes and also tragedy was what happened in

00:55:19.480 Texas. I just took you to Chuck E. Cheese and you're asking to go to Disneyland. What's wrong with you?

00:55:24.360 Yeah. And the person he was mad about was Pam Bondi. And this to me suggests a level of emotional

00:55:30.840 charge in Trump in terms of how he feels about this. Like, I think he feels like he just wants

00:55:37.240 people to stop talking about it right now. And he doesn't like the position he's having to take on

00:55:41.240 it. Right. He doesn't like not following his promise. He's feeling cognitive dissonance.

00:55:46.440 He's feeling cognitive dissonance. He's disappointed with the decision he has to take,

00:55:51.160 but he believes it's what he has to take in the best interest of the United States

00:55:55.400 and the people of the United States, which again, I would agree with him if it turns out that it was

00:56:01.960 either tied to Saudi Arabia or Mossad. We really probably like, even though I was president, this

00:56:07.980 is me, Malcolm saying this, I think we as a country just have too much at stake right now with these two

00:56:14.080 powers to release this information. Yeah. Because what good is this really going to do? It's just going to

00:56:19.960 ruin a bunch of people's careers and reputations who are powerful and make a bunch of other people

00:56:23.480 feel really good. But like, not in a way that makes their lives better, like not in a way that's

00:56:28.660 going to reduce unemployment or increase health or longevity. Like it's just a gossip thing.

00:56:35.640 Honorable thing that could be an easy win for him that he's choosing not to take for the best

00:56:39.980 interest of American national security. That, that to me is not a, and again, I know that the reason I

00:56:47.680 see these two groups as the most likely is they've shown the willingness, even if somebody's like a

00:56:51.920 billionaire, like a Bill Gates, right? Like, okay, he had, he had stuff on Bill Gates.

00:56:57.160 An operation like this is not something that a billionaire would one think to do like your

00:57:03.320 average, like the other guy who had all this information on that he was blackmailing out of

00:57:07.600 $43 million. Like presumably this guy could have had him assassinated at any point much more easily

00:57:13.580 than when he was in prison. You know, like this to me requires state level actors, right? This is not

00:57:20.500 the type of thing that your standard rich person is going to just come up with on their own. And if

00:57:26.560 you, and we'll get into the types of people who Trump targeted, he did not target organized crime

00:57:30.840 type individuals or the types of individuals who would have done something like this from,

00:57:35.140 from everything we could see. It appears that it was mostly state level actors or very wealthy

00:57:39.780 individuals. Well, you mean Epstein. Sorry. Yeah. So let's talk about Pam Bondi and her changing 0.69

00:57:47.100 perspective on this. So what she said in February, 2025, Bondi repeatedly claimed that she had Epstein's

00:57:52.840 quote unquote client list on her desk for review, raising expectations of a significant release of

00:57:58.160 new information. In February 21st, 2025, she said, it's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a

00:58:06.520 directive of president Trump. And I'm reviewing that in quote. And she, it was reported by Fox

00:58:10.800 when in, and then in quote, March, 2025, when asked about pressure from Trump's base to release more

00:58:16.700 files, Bondi confirmed that the DOJ was working on a timeline for further releases quote, we'll get out

00:58:22.600 as much as we can. And as fast as we can to the American people in quote. And then later she's like,

00:58:28.120 Oh, well, you see what I had on my desk was actually the, like client, like the dossier on him or whatever.

00:58:38.060 But I assumed that it included a client list and it didn't include a client list basically. And I buy that.

00:58:45.880 I buy that. Maybe people are hiding from her the full extent of the information, but we know there were CDs

00:58:51.420 was people's names on them. Client list or not. I want to know whose names were on the blackmail CDs,

00:58:59.120 right? Like that is something that the public should know because we know that these individuals

00:59:03.540 were with video evidence sleeping was underage individuals, right? Like what you can't say,

00:59:08.880 Oh, this is for their own safety or anything like that. Like that's a crime and something that

00:59:12.960 should, if you're not going to prosecute it, at least be publicly known. In 2025, the DOJ issued a memo

00:59:18.620 stating no incriminating client list existed, contradicting Bondi's earlier claims. White

00:59:23.500 House press secretary, Caroline LeVette and DOJ spokesperson, Chad Gilmore clarified that Bondi

00:59:29.080 was referring to general case files, not a specific list. And now we're going to talk about some other

00:59:33.780 individuals who changed their tune on this, which I think is very interesting and gives us an idea of

00:59:39.160 apparently most MAGA types when they are clued in behind closed doors come out and say,

00:59:47.740 hey, we really shouldn't be doing anything about this.

00:59:49.980 Right. There seems to be some distinct before and action, sorry, before and after action happening

00:59:54.800 here. Yes. Like, let's get it. I've reviewed the evidence. There's something shady going on here.

00:59:59.280 And then it's almost like the faculty or something. They go behind closed doors and they come out and

01:00:04.120 they're like, we really shouldn't be digging in on this guy. Right. It was just an unaliving.

01:00:10.080 So, Kash Patel, FBI director, 2025. As a former MAGA influencer, Patel questioned the official

01:00:16.520 Epstein narrative before his appointment, implying the existing of hidden information, including a

01:00:20.820 possible client list. After becoming FBI director, he aligned with the DOJ findings, quote, in May

01:00:25.860 2025. He killed himself. I've seen the whole file, end quote. Dan Bondigo, FBI deputy director, 2025.

01:00:35.400 Like Patel, Bondigo previously promoted conspiracy theories around Epstein's death. I don't call

01:00:41.040 them conspiracy theories. They're what the evidence suggests. And a client list as a MAGA influencer,

01:00:46.060 but later affirmed the unaliving conclusion, quote, May 2025. He killed himself, end quote.

01:00:51.980 Julia K. Brown. This feels like the faculty to me.

01:00:55.600 It does. It does.

01:00:57.100 Well, she said, and I'll note here, like you couldn't even have, like, even if you're reviewing

01:01:02.720 the files, right, was the existing evidence of what the Trump administration has reported to me

01:01:07.900 as the evidence. And I saw that evidence. What I'd say is we have the case files. It looks like

01:01:13.480 there was a coverup, but there's no longer enough evidence for us to use to find out how the coverup

01:01:18.860 was carried out. Like the Biden administration clearly did some sort of coverup, but I was in my

01:01:25.520 position can't figure this out. And I don't think that Trump has the ability to, to figure this out.

01:01:30.920 That's, that's what I would be saying. If what's in the existing evidence is what I had access to,

01:01:36.520 I would only come out saying he unalived himself. If there was a direct interest to American citizens

01:01:43.420 and that being the mainstream narrative, because whatever was the truth implied something that

01:01:49.120 hurts America's national interests to, to reveal Julia K Brown, the Miami Herald journalist Brown

01:01:56.680 known for his investigative reporting on Epstein denied the existence of a client list. Now this

01:02:00.340 is a bit different, but I'll note here, this is really interesting to me. So in a February 28th,

01:02:05.020 2025 post, she said, quote, there is no Epstein client list period. It's a figment of the internet's

01:02:09.880 imagination. And it means to just slander people. She said this in time.

01:02:13.860 Okay. The problem is we know about the names on the CDs. So there is a client list or at least,

01:02:21.720 at least a list of clients. It would seem. Yeah. Now let's talk about the airplane logs.

01:02:30.260 Okay. Before we do just quick question, like maybe I'm missing something stupid here, but like my

01:02:34.780 autistic, you know, like Simone's president, I would just be like, Hey guys. Yeah. So I really want to

01:02:43.360 share this with you, but also you're just going to have to take my word for it. But there is a

01:02:48.480 like government national security maintaining the balance of power, power issue here that makes

01:02:54.200 me unable to share this instead of this half-assed, no, it was nothing weird here. No foul play,

01:03:03.060 no conspiracies. Like why, why can't they just say, Hey, something came up with what's in all the

01:03:09.880 evidence. That means we just can't share it. Sorry. Yeah. Why, why can't they say that?

01:03:18.020 Because I think that that would look super sus. And I think people would say we,

01:03:22.160 like this doesn't look no, but your generic MAGA influencer is going to be like, what do you mean?

01:03:28.860 You can't tell us, right? Like we need, we, we deserve to know everything. Right. And I don't think

01:03:34.660 that they would buy. No, it's true. Like, even if you look at the comments of this video, there's

01:03:39.600 going to be a lot of people who, unlike you and me are like, it doesn't matter if it was Mossad.

01:03:45.660 Like, I don't care. I don't care. If our government falls down as a result, I want to know the gossip.

01:03:55.360 Well, they don't see it as gossip. They're like, well, then maybe we shouldn't be working with the

01:03:59.700 Israeli government, or we shouldn't be working with the Saudi government. And it's like, bro,

01:04:03.320 there is such a wider, like I can see your average right-wing reactionary having that

01:04:08.920 like response without understanding the actual cost to the United States of either if it's Israel or

01:04:18.140 Saudi Arabia damage to those government relationships. You know, this, this is something 1.00

01:04:23.300 that puts American soldiers at risk. This is something that undoes, you know, these are countries

01:04:29.080 that are killing people all the time, right? Like this is a, this is a casualty of war basically

01:04:33.100 from their perspective of somebody who wasn't even that great a person, right? You know, and then you

01:04:38.540 could say, well, what about the burying of all the rest of the files and lead lists and everything

01:04:42.960 like that? That I am more confused about. Even if all the rest of this was true, why don't you release

01:04:51.160 the information of like the names on the CDs? And my takeaway from that, because we do know hard drives

01:04:56.780 were seized, we do know CDs were seized, is that they may be using them to create new CIA assets.

01:05:03.640 They may have just basically gone into the U S intelligence agencies. Like I had suggested before

01:05:08.480 and you completely poo-pooed. No, no. But what I'm saying here is this, it, especially if he wasn't 0.50

01:05:15.520 just acting as an asset for like the CIA, but like a paid asset and keep in mind, I suspect that because

01:05:22.040 many people who do work for one intelligence agency work for multiple intelligence agencies,

01:05:25.600 it's just easier and why not if you're already doing it. Yeah. It could mean that he was actually

01:05:29.760 being like paid by the CIA to get these tapes. If that was the case, then they are not just property

01:05:36.260 of the CIA, but property they invested in. They don't want out there, right? Like they don't want

01:05:42.760 to lose this power. Yeah. Like they essentially paid for this dirt. Are they really going to give

01:05:46.780 it away for free? Yeah. They're like, you know, the people who are doing the investigation,

01:05:51.980 the CIA comes in and are like, actually we paid for that. They just hadn't been delivered yet. Or

01:05:55.340 he made copies and he wasn't supposed to. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could see the CIA

01:05:59.760 Trump, sorry, approaching Trump and saying, yeah, so this is a little embarrassing. We told him to get

01:06:06.180 half the stuff there and we need it. You're wasting a lot of money and time if you release

01:06:12.020 this. Yeah. Yeah. Or putting American agents at risk or putting, you know, et cetera. And again,

01:06:18.540 this isn't a weird thing for the CIA to do. He is the perfect CIA asset. He's the perfect Russian 0.94

01:06:24.680 intelligence asset asset. I mean, I bet this guy was, I think he started as a sex pest and then all of 0.94

01:06:31.860 these intelligence agencies are like, Oh, this guy's really good at blackmailing people. Like 0.71

01:06:36.200 we, we should. Yeah. He seemed like a slut for opportunism. Yeah. Like for, for anything that 1.00

01:06:41.580 benefited him. So that makes sense. But now let's talk about the plane. Well, I'm going to skip the

01:06:49.680 plane because everybody knows about that. They know the Prince was on it. They know Trump was on it.

01:06:52.600 They know Clinton was on it, but, but like, but also like if someone invites you ask yourself this

01:06:57.980 really seriously to go on their private jet, even if you really don't like them, you're going to say

01:07:03.560 no. Well, especially if they have a fun party Island that other people party Island and a private

01:07:09.000 come on, like get over. I'm going to be honest. If somebody told me to go on a private jet called

01:07:13.720 Lolita express, I would not get on. I know the book Lolita. I had a girlfriend in college who was

01:07:19.020 obsessed with it. Really? It does seem odd that like most of the people who are fans of that book are

01:07:24.100 girls. Yeah. But also, I mean, when you look at romance novels in general, age gap. I think a lot

01:07:29.220 of people, again, misunderstand how much girls are into those sorts of dynamics. And we've, we've 0.96

01:07:36.240 mentioned this on other podcasts. I remember one person was like the data that says that girls like 1.00

01:07:40.440 being choked. That was like some weird Aayla sample. And I was like, bro, we did a completely 1.00

01:07:44.800 separate sample than hers. Oh, and whoever strangled, strangled, we're supposed to say strangled.

01:07:49.740 She, she confirmed that data using normalized data that she got not from her fans, but through

01:07:55.300 paid acquisition of data from neutral third parties, worse entirely separate books than

01:08:00.780 our book and her book, which again, are already two separate data deaths, like a billion wicked

01:08:04.500 thoughts confirm this data set. Going into a Barnes and Nobles confirms. But anyway, what

01:08:12.480 we're going to get to now is each of the two theories that I think are the strongest. So let's

01:08:18.180 start with the Saudi link. Epstein's black book made public in 2015, listed several Middle

01:08:23.320 Eastern contacts, including a Saudi businessman, Amar al-Dagab, who denied the relationship.

01:08:29.640 He had entries for Saad Prince Salman, likely King Salman, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a

01:08:37.580 former Saudi ambassador. In 2019, the New York Times reported Epstein boasted about frequent

01:08:43.340 contact with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, or MBS, showing journalist James Stewart a

01:08:49.480 framed photo of MBS in his Manhattan mansion. Epstein claimed MBS visited him often. Epstein

01:08:55.720 possessed an Australian passport from the 1980s with a false name in a Saudi residence used

01:09:02.540 to enter Saudi Arabia, the UK, France, and Spain. This was found in his Manhattan safe in

01:09:07.820 2019, along with cash. Epstein worked with a Saudi businessman, Abhan Kassagiri, in the 1980s during

01:09:15.380 the Iran-Contra affair, acting as a middleman. A 2016 trip to Saudi Arabia was noted in Asian

01:09:22.080 Times, though details are sparse. Intelligence connections. Epstein reportedly claimed to be an

01:09:28.160 intelligence asset, and Alexander Acosta claimed this, as we would suggest here. Above his pay grade,

01:09:34.280 if he was in any way working with either Saudi Arabia or... And keep in mind, he could have been

01:09:38.980 an intelligence asset for Saudi Arabia, but I think that that is less likely to have gotten him

01:09:42.820 killed. Because I don't think... I think that compromising information is more likely to have

01:09:47.620 gotten him killed in that case. And keep in mind that if he was an intelligent asset for the CIA

01:09:53.120 or Mossad, both groups would have wanted compromising information on high-level Saudis.

01:10:00.640 And we know, not only did he have the connections there, but he targeted the prince of the UK,

01:10:05.780 successfully, mind you. So we know that he liked targeting royal families. And he would have

01:10:12.640 had a huge reason to target this one. So... Now, I should note here that while these connections

01:10:18.680 confirm Epstein interacted with Saudi elites, they don't directly, you know, show any sort of

01:10:23.920 involvement. And the... Well, they show that he's trying to make inroads with those general social

01:10:29.420 networks. Yeah. And we know that he tried to build blackmail on the social networks he'd made in

01:10:33.980 roads with. So would he try to build blackmail on them? Of course. And this is the thing about

01:10:38.440 building blackmail on 71. If it is true that he met with the Saudis on multiple occasions,

01:10:43.940 which he said he did, and I am inclined to believe, if somebody is trying to get blackmail on you and you

01:10:50.060 are that level of famous, and it would have been obvious that, oh, this person is trying to hook me up

01:10:54.780 with women and stuff like that, if you are not indulging, you are ghosting. Yeah. You don't have... 1.00

01:11:01.820 The first time a group of women shows up to the room at your hotel when you stay with this person, 0.97

01:11:06.360 and you slam the door on them, and you're like, what the heck are you doing? That's the last time

01:11:10.800 you meet with this person. Yeah. Yeah. Hangouts end. Especially if you are that closed off of an

01:11:17.920 individual or something like that, right? So that to me is, while not a smoking gun, it is evidence.

01:11:24.860 And again, I should say it's entirely speculative to me, the gay angle on this. In a lot of Muslim 0.99

01:11:31.660 cultures, though I note not Saudi Arabia, as I'm aware, sleeping with younger men is quite common.

01:11:37.920 This is actually a major problem for our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, because a lot of the forces

01:11:42.680 that they were partnered with would sleep with underage boys, and they tried to get them to

01:11:48.640 stop. And they were like, bro, we're your allies. Like, why are you trying to get me to stop? Like,

01:11:52.620 this is just for culture. Like, this happened to me when I was a kid. Like, what are you talking about?

01:11:57.500 But this is also something that... So I'm saying, like, it's a cultural thing within some of these

01:12:02.440 regions, but it's also super against Sharia law if it's being implemented by Wahhabists, 0.99

01:12:08.920 like you have in Saudi Arabia. So it could be a culturally normative, but very dangerous thing 0.94

01:12:14.880 to be involved in. Whereas I don't think that they would have had the same shame about women,

01:12:21.280 especially underage women. And now... Well, also because even within Sharia law,

01:12:25.440 there are ways to have temporary marriages with women of any age to make relations with them totally 0.93

01:12:31.460 okay. Religiously. Right? So... Yeah. Okay. Now let's look to Mossad. Okay. This is the more

01:12:39.720 public theory that a lot of people have. And I put both theories in AI and said, which one do you

01:12:44.700 think is more plausible? And it liked the Saudi theory better, which is interesting. Well,

01:12:48.680 you know, AI is often afraid of looking at disemitic, so that could be influencing.

01:12:53.240 No, I am. Except I heard that Grok recently had some update that made it

01:12:57.140 super antisemitic, so who knows? No. Okay. So, Ghislaine Maxwell. Epstein's partner,

01:13:04.820 Ghislaine Maxwell, is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, a British media mogul widely alleged

01:13:09.120 to have been a Mossad agent. A 1991 book by Seymour Hesh, The Samson Option, and reports by the

01:13:15.280 Times of Israel in 2019 claimed Robert Maxwell used his publishing empire to funnel money to Mossad

01:13:21.960 and facilitated Israeli operations. Ghislaine's close relationship with Epstein, including her role in a

01:13:28.660 trafficking network, fuels speculation that she is linked to Israeli intelligence. Now, I want to note

01:13:33.840 here about the Ghislaine Maxwell connection here. It would be, like, people are like, what? Her dad was

01:13:39.340 involved? That doesn't mean that much about her. He wasn't involved. He wasn't an asset. He funneled

01:13:45.960 them money. He was, like, a philanthropist for Mossad. Like, this isn't a normal level of involvement.

01:13:53.660 This isn't, like, an asset. This is somebody who's funding their operations as a non-government,

01:13:59.880 like, that's a big thing to be doing, okay? And if I am Mossad and I am looking for agents,

01:14:08.040 keep in mind how, you know, you recruit an asset in the field, she would be the top person I would go to,

01:14:13.880 given, you know, her dad and everything like that. My read on if Mossad was involved on this

01:14:20.520 is that they got involved with this through Ghislaine Maxwell later in Epstein's life after

01:14:26.420 he had set up his blackmail network, because she actually comes in to his life at around the time

01:14:31.000 of this court hearing when a bunch of cases against him get dropped out of nowhere. So could it be a U.S.-Israeli

01:14:36.900 cooperation? Could Israel have been one of the groups he was working for in the U.S.? I don't know.

01:14:41.340 That could be a, you know, we'll see, right? Ehad Barak. The former Israeli Prime Minister,

01:14:47.380 Ehad Barak, was photographed entering Epstein's Manhattan townhouse in 2016,

01:14:51.660 as reported by the Daily Beast. Barak admitted to meeting Epstein multiple times,

01:14:56.640 including at his properties, but denied wrongdoing. His presence on Epstein's flight logs partially

01:15:01.880 redacted in 2025 releases. So he was in the initial releases and then redacted in later releases,

01:15:08.080 which again, very sus. Yeah. That's kind of worse than not being in it at all. That's like, oh,

01:15:16.900 this guy seems like a problem. We should remove him. And their meetings during Barak's political

01:15:22.000 comeback attempted attempt raised questions about their relationship. Leslie Wexler,

01:15:26.900 esteemed primary financial backer, billionaire Les Wexler, who basically gave him all his money,

01:15:32.060 and this is a guy who he stole $43 million to, has strong ties with Israel through his philanthropy,

01:15:36.380 the Wexler Foundation, which funds Israeli-related programs. Epstein managed Wexler's finances from

01:15:42.340 the 1980s to 2007, and some speculate Wexler's wealth and connections facilitated Epstein's

01:15:48.200 intelligence activities. No direct evidence, though, between Wexler and Mossad. Epstein's claims,

01:15:53.560 you have the Acosta saying that he belonged to intelligence and was above his pay grade. Again,

01:15:58.460 this would be something he would say if he was a Mossad asset, particularly if they sort of gave him

01:16:03.580 on loan to the CIA or FBI for specific things. Okay. Epstein has an intelligence asset. Epstein's

01:16:12.800 trafficking network targeted powerful men with sexual vulnerabilities. It enlarged with

01:16:17.240 intelligence tactics for blackmail. His properties, e.g. Little St. James, Manhattan Townhouse,

01:16:22.120 were reportedly equipped with cameras suggesting the potential for recording compromising behavior,

01:16:25.520 New York Times 2019. And this is all very by-the-books intelligence asset behavior.

01:16:31.640 Also, his wealth and mobility, like having a fake passport with a Saudi Arabian address,

01:16:38.300 were not normal things for just your normal wealthy person to have. This, again, suggests

01:16:43.620 connections with the intelligence community. And Mossad has been linked to operations involving

01:16:48.820 sex and blackmail, such as the alleged entrenchment of U.S. politicians in the 1980s,

01:16:53.400 the Times of Israel 2019. Epstein's network could fit this model.

01:16:57.360 Hmm. And so, yeah, very, now as a final thing here, let's go into, and I note here, the thing

01:17:09.000 that gets interesting to me is why the Saudi passport? And I don't know of Saudi doing like

01:17:13.820 really complicated operations like this before. Like when they've done, the reason why I lean

01:17:20.020 more to Mossad than the Saudis is when, when the, when the Saudi Arabia has done killings like of that 0.97

01:17:26.100 reporter, they were one sort of forward, like we did this, like, but you can't do anything. Like

01:17:32.820 they did it at like a, the Saudi embassy, if I remember correctly. Yeah. You know, that to me

01:17:40.520 seems like not exactly the style we see here. It lacked a lot of the subtlety. Um, this would have

01:17:47.500 been, whereas if we see Mossad hits, this looks a lot more like a Mossad hit to me. So that's where

01:17:55.220 I go with this. Now we, let's try to track his timeline and understand when he became an intelligence

01:18:01.600 asset. I'm just, I'm laying this, I'm going full true crime with this. I don't know if you've ever

01:18:07.400 seen this before. I'm loving this. If you've ever seen this. These are not angles or details I've,

01:18:11.580 I've seen covered. So this is enlightening. I, I really like this because I, I mean, I got to the

01:18:18.640 end of this and I'm like, I'm fairly certain I know what happened at the end of this. Like that

01:18:22.720 I feel fairly comfortable with one of a few things being what happened and with not good juice, i.e.

01:18:30.680 there is no good juice on any Republican politicians or they would have used it already.

01:18:36.100 And if there was for democratic politicians, like if that's whose names were on those CDs,

01:18:41.860 those have long since been destroyed. No, absolutely. They, they would have just destroyed

01:18:45.540 them. Like we know that we have people within, what was it? The FBI or the CIA, where we have

01:18:51.000 the text saying that they wanted to prevent Trump being elected. They're going to do everything in

01:18:54.840 our power to prevent him from being elected. And so that says to me, you know, it was in these

01:18:59.960 organizations. There was a culture of one person talking to another person in the organization

01:19:03.580 saying this, that they thought it was okay to talk about how they were going to try to prevent

01:19:08.600 Republicans from winning election cycles. Yeah. It would have been. They could disappear certain

01:19:12.260 things very easily. CDs like that. Yeah. Now to go into his background. So teaching at Dalton

01:19:19.660 school, 1974 to 1976, Epstein, a college dropout for Cooper union in NYU landed a job teaching mass and

01:19:27.980 physics at the prestigious Dalton school in Manhattan at age 21, despite lacking a degree or teaching

01:19:33.380 credentials. Dalton is an elite prep school attended by many of the children of New York's

01:19:37.500 wealthiest families. Hiring an unqualified dropout raises questions about how Epstein secured the role

01:19:42.540 at Harrison H. Smith's claims. He was hired by Donald Barr further of future attorney general,

01:19:50.420 William Barr, who was Dalton's headmaster until 19. So that's the father of the future attorney general,

01:19:58.480 the headmaster until 1974. However, this is unverified networking opportunities at Dalton.

01:20:04.060 Epstein tutored students, including the son of Alan Ace Greenberg, CEO of Bear Stearns. This connection

01:20:09.920 led to his next job, suggesting Epstein leveraged Dalton to access elite. During there, he had reports of

01:20:17.060 inappropriate behavior was former students noting that Epstein was overly attentive of female students,

01:20:22.380 though no abuse allegations searches at the time. And I'm sure that if he abused them, they would

01:20:26.340 have come out by now. So I don't think that he did stuff like that. This behavior hints at his early

01:20:31.260 predatory tendencies. So my read from this, okay, he got the job being wildly unqualified for it.

01:20:39.840 He likely had already developed some form of building blackmail on people this early in his career,

01:20:45.720 but certainly not enough to be interesting to like any sort of intelligence agency or anything like

01:20:51.120 that. Like I do not think people who think he was built by Mossad or built by like the CIA or FBI or

01:20:58.960 something like that. This doesn't align with that. Somebody- But I don't think you can build that.

01:21:03.540 That's a natural talent and sort of a natural love for these things I think you have to have to be

01:21:08.240 able to play these long games. And so, yeah, I would only invest as an intelligence agency in someone

01:21:13.620 who already has shown this propensity. Right. But what I'm saying is, okay, I'm Mossad. I have

01:21:18.460 this asset, right? I want to use him for, you know, honeypot, sex incrimination operations in the

01:21:25.180 future. I do not put him into an elite New York prep school. Nor do I recruit somebody who has dropped

01:21:33.040 out of college twice. Like this is silly. Like these are elite organizations, right? You don't recruit 0.80

01:21:40.960 college dropouts. This appears to be a feat that he pulled off himself. Now, I think the second beef

01:21:48.020 that he pulled off, he pulled off himself, which was getting into Bear Stearns. Remember, he was

01:21:51.840 tutoring the CEO's son. Did he get some information on this guy? Probably, because I do not think that

01:21:58.900 just tutoring his son would have gotten him this. He joined Bear Stearns in 1976 as a junior assistant

01:22:05.200 floor trader introduced by Greenberg. He rose to limited partner by 1980, advising wealthy clients.

01:22:12.660 So he rose within four years of starting there to a general partner. That is a rise that was in a firm

01:22:19.260 like Bear Stearns usually takes 20 to 30 years. That is unprecedented. And to get in as a college

01:22:27.380 dropout whose only previous job was as a like physics teacher? A teacher? Yeah. That doesn't

01:22:33.160 help most people. Yeah. And worse, other Bear Stearns employees generally didn't like him,

01:22:39.880 describing him as quote-unquote aggressive or quote-unquote demanding. And he had a check for

01:22:44.420 charming superiors. But like, how did he charm them? Why did superiors seem to like him so much?

01:22:50.840 Maybe he built information on them. He left in 1981 under murky circumstances. Some sources claim

01:22:58.620 he was fired for security violations as a scotlapolitan in 2020, while others suggest it

01:23:03.300 was for personal or financial issues at the firm, Financial Monthly 2025. Vicky Wayward's 2003

01:23:08.400 Variety Fair piece cites the claim that he was quote-unquote kicked out for quote-unquote getting

01:23:13.160 into trouble. What could that mean? We don't know what it means. We don't know why it was covered up.

01:23:17.940 But again, I don't think that he was an asset of any intelligence agency yet.

01:23:24.100 Next. Intercontinental. But this does to me suggest that he wasn't a general playboy. He

01:23:29.140 already had some sort of blackmail network operational at this point. Intercontinental

01:23:33.220 asset groups and Towers Financial 1981 to 1987. Background. After leaving Bear Stearns,

01:23:38.540 Epstein founded Intercontinental Assets Group, IAG, claiming to recover stolen money from ultra-wealthy

01:23:44.360 and worked as a consultant from Towers Financial Corporation with Stephen Hofburg. Very interesting

01:23:49.140 that he later stole money from wealthy individuals. His role, Epstein described himself as a quote-unquote

01:23:54.300 bounty hunter for stolen funds, but IAG's operations are poorly documented. The role gave him access to

01:24:00.760 international clients and financial dealings ideal for covert activities. Tower Financial's Ponzi scheme,

01:24:07.120 Hofburg, Epstein's partner, was convicted in 1994 for running a $450 million Ponzi scheme,

01:24:14.360 the largest one pre-Madoff fraud. Keep in mind, he somehow got out of this. Hoffer later claimed that

01:24:22.700 Epstein masterminded the scheme, the largest non-Bertie-Madoff Ponzi scheme in American history,

01:24:29.440 paying him off $25,000 monthly as a consultant, though Epstein was never charged. A 2018 lawsuit by

01:24:37.860 Towers investors alleged Epstein's involvement, but it was dismissed. Unprosecuted role. Epstein's

01:24:44.980 escape from charges, despite Hofburg's accusations, suggests possible protection potentially from

01:24:50.820 intelligence connections. They absolutely suggest this. A CNN 2019 report that Epstein's wealth and

01:24:57.380 crimes were quote-unquote all a game to him, hinting at deeper motives. Now, this to me is when he very

01:25:02.960 obviously got involved with intelligence agencies. So he's come out of a rapid rise due to blackmail

01:25:08.260 was in this organization. He was fired under murky circumstances. Somebody was in the organization,

01:25:14.080 likely also an asset, went to one of these groups and was like, this guy is good at his stuff.

01:25:20.180 This next job he has is like a pseudo job where he builds the largest Ponzi scheme in American history

01:25:25.700 and then somehow isn't charged for it. Yeah. I mean, clearly he's so good at getting out of

01:25:32.540 things. Yeah. This he couldn't do with his own blackmail network. You cannot blackmail your way

01:25:38.460 easily, like as a single individual, into not getting charged over running a giant Ponzi scheme.

01:25:44.720 So this was this like, well, that's so at least a little bit before this, he got into it because

01:25:50.500 they couldn't afford to lose him as an asset having that. I see. I see. But this also seems

01:25:57.380 like the, the thing that he did at Bear Stones proved his competence as an asset. That is the

01:26:03.000 type of position where you'd want to like, especially if he left and he's looking for a new job and he's

01:26:08.800 sort of working as a weird sort of consultant for this guy. This seems like a job, not a job thing.

01:26:13.420 This to me seems like the perfect person to be recruiting as an asset. And this is 1981 to 1987.

01:26:19.340 And then we have Jay Epstein and company and Leslie Wexler. This is where I think he was really,

01:26:28.340 really pulled in. So in 1988, Epstein founded Jay Epstein company, later financial trust company

01:26:34.000 managing money for billionaires was Leslie Wexler as his primary known client. By 1991, Wexler granted

01:26:40.460 Epstein full power of attorney over him, allowing him to control his finances, philanthropy, and

01:26:45.600 properties. This is a guy who he stole $43 million from and wasn't fired. Wexler was the founder of

01:26:51.560 L brands like Victoria's Secret and was Epstein's main source of wealth, paying him millions of

01:26:57.320 dollars per year. He also acquired Wexler's Manhattan townhouse and private plane.

01:27:02.980 He owned this man. What did he have on him?

01:27:06.020 Yes. Why did he only have a single client? Because from what we can tell, he only had

01:27:11.740 one client and he basically just stole this guy's money.

01:27:16.920 Like he claimed to have a 1 billion minimum for working with him. And yet Wexler is the

01:27:22.780 only confirmed client. If there were other clients, we would know about him. I think he

01:27:26.820 just basically drained Wexler's money. And, and so this is when he got involved with Christine

01:27:32.520 Maxwell as well, which I think was almost certainly a Mossad asset. And so that is where I think

01:27:39.760 the story ends. It was during this time with asset groups, Tower Financial, that he was

01:27:46.420 recruited as a, as, as an asset. And he began to operate for these firms. There were multiple

01:27:52.460 groups that likely had a reason to want him dead. And I think that the reason we can now

01:27:58.060 say it wasn't generic wealthy, like Democrats or deep staters that covered this up is because

01:28:04.160 Trump did such a severe about face around this, as did a number of MAGA influencers after they

01:28:10.400 have basically been taken behind doors and done a little, the faculty turnaround. What do you

01:28:15.520 think? How strong do you think my evidence is? What is your read of probabilities here?

01:28:21.460 My read is strong. And I think most people, when I see them talk about it, it's just pretty

01:28:26.920 much everyone is aware of the fact that stuff is being hidden and the redactions make that

01:28:31.960 super obvious. Plus the about face and being willing to release these files is so obvious

01:28:38.480 that, yeah, there's also this kind of this Elon Musk pattern where like Elon Musk was really

01:28:46.940 bullish on Trump. And then Trump did something that he didn't like with the one big, beautiful

01:28:53.240 bill, but Trump in the end was doing what he had to as president and, and what he promised

01:29:00.040 people he would do. Like all the stuff he's mad about is his campaign promises that Trump

01:29:03.960 made on the trail.

01:29:04.960 And then, you know, I think this is a little bit similar in that like all of us were super

01:29:09.820 bullish on Trump releasing these files and then Trump does something and we all get mad.

01:29:14.960 But in the end, I think, yeah, there, there had to be something and people, I think there's,

01:29:21.180 there's a lot of dissatisfaction in the public discourse about this because people, I think

01:29:25.060 intuitively know, well, it's not Trump being implicated in this. It probably isn't Trump's

01:29:31.580 family being implicated in this. So, but then who is it? And I think people just haven't really

01:29:37.000 thought as far as you have to come up with plausible sources of estoppel on this.

01:29:44.140 And I think the Elon thing is interesting to me because it demonstrates that Elon was never

01:29:48.420 the faculty about this. They never took him and showed him the actual thing.

01:29:52.040 Yeah. He's, he's not been taken behind the doors and been told, but he wouldn't be given

01:29:56.280 his position because he's not involved in the international politics in the same way.

01:30:00.160 Right. But also, I don't know if they would have trusted him enough to not one day in the

01:30:05.640 future, go off and say, Hey, I saw who did this. It was this guy or it was this guy. I think that

01:30:10.940 would have been a foolish thing to do. Not that Elon is not great and everything like that, but I

01:30:15.160 mean, just, you know. Yeah. But he's not, he's not the kind of person who's going to promise to

01:30:19.580 keep secrets forever. Yeah. He's like not one of those old boys clubs where like you do the secret

01:30:26.200 handshake and you never say anything. Even if they were in the best interest of America, he might

01:30:31.020 think, Oh, it's, it's still more important that this gets released. Yeah. So I would note here

01:30:35.520 the key points of evidence for me, weird charges repeatedly being dropped against him. Why was

01:30:41.960 the Ponzi scheme charge never seriously pursued? Like why did that get dropped? Yeah, that's wild.

01:30:46.280 Why wasn't he implicated for that? And then secondarily, why wasn't he, and he was implicated as the

01:30:54.660 primary mastermind behind this before all this other stuff happened. Why was the big, you know,

01:31:00.100 sex trafficking stuff, why was that all dropped in Florida? Why did the guy who dropped it

01:31:05.180 a very respectable guy say, I dropped it because I was told I had to drop it because he's a security

01:31:11.080 asset? And then later not be willing to talk about it, which makes it even more believable.

01:31:16.660 Why do you have the about face by Trump on this issue? And then why do you also like, apparently

01:31:22.180 when people dig into it, they have the about face. Why do you also have the so many coincidences,

01:31:28.180 the weird bone breakage, the weird multiple people, multiple times in a row, not checking in

01:31:35.480 on the cell. In addition to the cameras being down in that area, specifically that day, in addition to

01:31:41.940 when these people were tried for not checking in on him, because presumably not checking in on anyone

01:31:47.580 is an equal offense. Was nobody else tried if this was actually that common within these facilities?

01:31:52.080 And if they had actually done it before, why weren't they tried for doing it before?

01:31:55.380 Why was it only this one instance that was ever fully dealt with in any meaningful way,

01:32:01.560 especially given the public embarrassment it led to? All of that combined, I take as evidence of

01:32:07.920 there's likely a foreign actor involved that neither the Democrats or the Republicans want to piss off.

01:32:14.780 I've named the two primary ones I can think of, both of which have a history of killing people on

01:32:20.920 foreign soil when they are a threat to their country's stability. And both of which neither the 1.00

01:32:25.860 Dems or the Trump, the Trump administration would want to piss off. So that is mine.

01:32:30.300 And then combine that with potentially

01:32:32.140 a U.S. security agency having, whether or not they were implicit in the gathering of this

01:32:41.680 information, now possessing information, which is actually really convenient to possess.

01:32:45.480 Yeah.

01:32:46.360 Being like, okay, can we, you're throwing away money. Because also Trump hates to ruin a good deal.

01:32:53.400 You're throwing away money. And what they're going to say, and I know what they say,

01:32:56.040 and every time when they do this stuff is, you're putting American agents at risk.

01:33:00.440 You know, American agents put themselves at risk to get this information.

01:33:03.820 Yeah.

01:33:03.940 If you release it, you put lives at risk, or you waste people's efforts to put their own lives

01:33:09.380 at risk to collect this type of information.

01:33:11.340 Trump doesn't like wasting money. He doesn't like hurting people.

01:33:13.920 So, yeah.

01:33:16.740 Because I mean, if you keep in mind, and you can be like, oh,

01:33:19.360 is it really that important? I'm like, okay, suppose Epstein was working for the U.S.,

01:33:24.760 for example, in this. Who would he likely have been targeted to gather information on?

01:33:30.280 Well, the types of people who they often gather information on are powerful allies of ours.

01:33:35.200 Not good to have that released. People like Chinese businessmen and middlemen who are working 1.00

01:33:39.820 within the United States. You want to maintain those power plays if we can.

01:33:43.920 People like, you know, this isn't like a nothing burger to release this sort of information.

01:33:50.540 Absolutely.

01:33:51.580 And then you can be like, well, then why don't they just release the information

01:33:54.100 on the billionaires and stuff like that?

01:33:56.980 And it could be that he didn't actually get that much on the billionaires.

01:34:01.140 It's actually possible.

01:34:03.740 Also because he found one billionaire that he was very successfully milking.

01:34:07.940 Yeah. So he likely had something on this guy, but I mean, that guy already got his punishment,

01:34:11.800 43 million taken from him.

01:34:14.400 So did he really need that many more? Also, after a while, I mean, it's not like he didn't

01:34:21.940 have a reputation for, I want to say decades leading up to all this. I think most billionaires

01:34:31.060 kind of knew better to avoid him.

01:34:34.280 Or they were already under his thumb.

01:34:36.600 Yeah.

01:34:37.680 And I note that when you look at these flight logs, you know, a lot of them are from a long

01:34:40.460 time ago and stuff like that.

01:34:41.960 Oh, ages.

01:34:42.760 Ages.

01:34:43.620 When he was building out his network, when he, before I think he burned his reputation

01:34:47.680 and, and you don't necessarily know. And, you know, this guy's seen as a big fixer with

01:34:51.860 a lot of connections. You know, if we were around during that period and some guy said,

01:34:58.020 Hey, I want to fly you out to my private Island. Like, but I had been, I probably would have

01:35:00.980 been like, yeah, sure. That's, I would have definitely been like, what, why do you call

01:35:04.500 your plane? The Lily? Like, do you know what the book Lolita is about? Like, I would have

01:35:07.980 been like, can we have a conversation about this? But I think that that's also maybe,

01:35:13.960 Oh, I hadn't considered this. Oh, this is interesting.

01:35:16.460 What?

01:35:17.760 It's likely how his operation worked. So the reason he called his plane, the Lolita Express

01:35:22.400 was so that he could, for people who don't know the core theme of the book is a young

01:35:27.940 girl being groomed by an older guy. And that's where the term Molly comes from. And so he likely

01:35:33.860 used it as you could think like a conversation opener to understand who was cool and who wasn't

01:35:40.560 cool. Like, Oh, have you ever heard of this book?

01:35:44.220 Or have you ever?

01:35:44.580 Yeah. He was like, Oh yeah. Like, Oh yeah. Or like, dude, what's wrong with you?

01:35:48.840 Or somebody like me was like reflexively like, that's really sus to name your plane that you

01:35:53.480 know that, right? Like he would have been like, you know, radio the island. Don't send the

01:35:57.960 younger ones. Yeah. Put them back in the closet.

01:36:00.540 We got the feds.

01:36:04.240 But yeah, actually that would be really good. And especially people who get very good at sexual

01:36:09.940 exploitation are, are, are really good at low cost filtering mechanisms like that. Ways to sort of

01:36:17.460 filter out people who are going to not be cool about something, you know? Yeah. That would make sense.

01:36:23.060 So what'd you think, by the way, we've got our, we got our full timeline here. We got our full.

01:36:29.720 I'm impressed. I no longer have cognitive dissonance about this. I feel like I can put

01:36:37.580 it to bed. Obviously we don't have a concrete answer, but basically, I mean, the closest we can

01:36:43.180 get, and this is enough for me is our government is in such a position where it just can't release

01:36:49.540 it. Like the cost of releasing it is too much from a national security standpoint or like a balance

01:36:54.880 of power standpoint. And they're not going to do it. And I'm like, okay, you know, that's fine.

01:36:58.660 And, and I would note here that we, we know almost as a fact, given all the cases that were dropped,

01:37:05.800 that he was an intelligence asset. Like that is basically confirmed from both the verbal statements

01:37:13.600 and the, the, the, all the cases that are dropped and his larger behavior pattern. And so like that,

01:37:22.640 we know that explains why it would make sense that people need to cover this up. Yeah, absolutely.

01:37:30.600 So that's our, our sad and weird take at the end of the Epstein trial and, and, and sort of

01:37:35.360 investigation is this is why it's being covered up. And if you're a patriotic American, unfortunately,

01:37:41.220 a lot of other patriotic Americans, when they see the data that said, whatever that data happens to

01:37:47.340 say, oh yeah, this needs to be covered up for our immediate national security interests. May it be

01:37:53.180 released one day? It might, depending on who we go to war with in the future. You know, this is exactly

01:37:58.940 the type of thing I can see being released at a future date, depending on changes in our national

01:38:04.760 relationships or if the Dems, you know, elect like a really anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist type individual.

01:38:10.220 And they, they end up going back over the files. They, they might get this released.

01:38:14.900 Absolutely. Yeah.

01:38:16.760 So that's, that's, if that's the case, if that's the explanation, that's sort of where I am with

01:38:22.700 all this. So tonight, Rendang again, we got some.

01:38:25.920 We have Rendang. Absolutely. You want it with rice or do you want it with something else?

01:38:30.720 Rice is, is, is great for Rendang.

01:38:32.380 Or on toasted Hawaiian buns. You want to try that?

01:38:34.540 I prefer rice, but what I would like is the roasted almond side, like the sliced roasted

01:38:40.760 almond to put on top. And some of the pepper I got from Trader Joe's to put on the top as

01:38:45.960 well. I think that'd be interesting to try.

01:38:47.480 Perfect. We're on then. I will get that ready for you.

01:38:51.200 You are an amazing wife. Thank you so much.

01:38:53.140 Oh, and I need to make watermelon for the kids. Cause they're like, well.

01:38:56.800 They saw it and they got excited.

01:38:57.920 Octavian and Titan. Yeah. Toasty's like, is that a watermelon? And I'm like, yeah, do you want

01:39:02.760 them? And he's like, of course, no, but I have the wine berries I picked for him this

01:39:06.960 morning. So I want real food.

01:39:09.240 Yeah. Real food, which is like only fresh berries and milk.

01:39:13.540 I'm sorry for doing an extra long episode, but I think it was a great topic.

01:39:17.900 No, I really wanted to know. Cause I've been watching like Asmongle talk about it and other 1.00

01:39:22.000 people. And I'm just like, Oh, can you stop complaining about what we don't know and tell

01:39:26.920 me what is likely, you know, I need to know.

01:39:30.080 Stop pointing out all of the individual sus sayings and create a narrative that explains

01:39:36.120 them all.

01:39:36.880 Yeah. I need that extra step. And you took that extra step for that. I am very grateful.

01:39:42.820 Love you to Decimum.

01:39:44.300 I love you too. Beautiful person.

01:39:46.440 Titan. Do you like watermelon?

01:39:50.220 What's it taste like?

01:39:55.200 I love you.

01:39:56.420 I love you.

01:40:00.100 I love you.

01:40:02.780 It's very yummy.

01:40:04.780 It is very yummy.

01:40:10.400 Did mommy grow that for you?

01:40:15.080 And then she cut it all up so it would be yummy and good to eat.

01:40:18.000 It has a lot of seed resembling objects in it. Do you want some berries? There's berries here

01:40:39.240 from my yard.

01:40:41.460 Okay.

01:40:42.420 Yeah.

01:40:43.320 Do you want some chew Indy?

01:40:44.400 My daddy won't want to eat.

01:40:47.760 You don't want to eat any more?

01:40:49.540 Yeah.

01:40:50.180 Okay.

01:40:51.360 Do you want some berries, Indy?

01:40:53.600 You can have berries, Indy.

Based Camp - July 11, 2025

Trump Accidently Revealed Who Killed Epstein

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