Trump To Make Gaza A Luxury Resort (Malcolm in Shock, Simone on Board)
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the President's announcement that he wants to annex or take over Gaz and flood the zone surrounding the Maariv site, and why this is a bad idea. We also talk about why the media should be worried about it and why it is a good idea.
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yeah hello simone so i mean this this for me like waking up in terms of trump news
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i was like wait what wait wait wait i mean wait what uh i love the way his young press secretary
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has announced insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
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results president trump is an outside of the box thinker and a visionary leader who solves problems
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that many others especially in this city claim are unsolvable so trump for those who haven't heard
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has decided to announce the the us is going to annex or take over not not even like occupy like
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he wants to own it and develop it yes gaza this is a realistic opportunity it's wonderful he he
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you know i'm just gonna go through the headlines from the top of the drudge report the other day
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because they kind of shocked me a bit so we have trump palestinians out of gaza us to seize land
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pentagon will enforce we will own it manic dawn stuns the middle east new temple on the mount and
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this is one of his staffers who was talking about building a new temple in an older speech we'll get
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to this later on i just can't imagine what it's like to be a leftist strategist right now where i
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think they keep being like okay he couldn't possibly do something more insane or bigger you know when we
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were reading just the other day about all the people in the federal government who are like okay
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okay the dei departments that's going to be it that's where we draw the line okay the the federal
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grants programs okay usad that's where we're going to draw the line okay the the the mass firings that's
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where we're going to draw the line okay now oh god elon's team has read write access to the internal
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payment database this is definitely where we draw the line and we need to get the media freaked out about
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this and now how is the media supposed to talk about anything when trump has decided that we're
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going to occupy gaza flood the zone that their strategy is totally working and to understand
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how screwed they are you need to look at their leadership this is the literal elections of this
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last week for the dnc leadership positions the people who for example decided in the last election
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that they weren't going to host a primary and just appoint camilla so did they learn anything from
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this last election cycle let's take a look oh let's see you should please be keya
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the democratic national committee wishes to acknowledge that we gather together to state our values
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on lands that have been stewarded through many centuries by the ancestors and the descendants of
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tribal nations hello democrats hey i am speaking and i would love your attention there is a black
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woman at this podium and i deserve your attention like the eleven people who went before me yes i am
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speaking the fact is the president is racist kamala harris is a fat
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novel still novel feeling of a politician actually delivering on their promises very shortly after
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beginning their term in office and two it's really hard for people to
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react or stop you when you move so fast i love how even the people who are supposed to be like
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supporting him like his recent chief of staff there's a picture of her like looking when he's
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making this announcement like uh and then there's what we got to look at what netanyahu said afterwards
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which i also love because netanyahu has proposed nothing so i don't know the word we want to use
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as bold or insane we'll get to the insanity of this planet in just a second like i'm a big supporter of
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israel i'm a big supporter of trump this is insane i don't i don't think he's gonna do it i don't think
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he's gonna do it i think that there's actually a strategy behind this i don't think he's being like
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an idiot here but like if if he intends to do this we need to have a conversation hold on wait no i
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i i think that whether you care about the well-being of palestinians and whether you care
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about israel like this is if i'm thinking about this from an agnostic perspective i'm like this sounds
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absolutely fantastic gaza is a mess it's it's not livable there it's not safe it's not healthy for
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people to be there if i were there i would not want to be there and very happily take an offer to be
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relocated in a newly developed area that plenty of people would be happy to fund um and start a new
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life start fresh that sounds really really good and this area has just become completely toxic and
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i love the idea of taking this this this zone who owns gaza now and how would the us acquire ownership
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well gaza is currently run by iranian-backed terrorists in the middle east hamas who we all agree
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i think everybody in the region agrees that can no longer stand just look at the events of october
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7th and the events since and the president again is committed to rebuilding the region for all people
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who want to return to it once it is no longer a demolition site and it's a place where people can
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actually live and thrive in harmony the president has made it clear that they need to be temporarily
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relocated out of gaza for the rebuilding of this effort again it's a demolition site right now it's not a
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livable place for any human being and i think it's actually quite evil to suggest that people should
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live in such dire conditions yeah i i will note here to be on the side of this and a lot of the
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people in gaza's families are recent immigrants to the region the number one last name in gaza is an
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egyptian last name el masari el masari which literally means the egyptian is the most prevalent surname in
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gaza if you're talking about the second most prominent name in gaza it's saleh which is common
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in egypt where 12 of people have this surname the although it is a widely new surname across the the
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arab world but the point being is that you know it's horrible to have to leave your your land but i
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also understand what you're saying here is like it's also horrible what's happening there like even if
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i take a completely neutral standpoint is israel just gonna leave this alone like not realistically
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like especially if you view incredibly negative terms just the area hasn't been well managed it's
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not it is not a thriving metropolis it wasn't before all of the post october 7th conflicts began
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and it hasn't been yeah if you view it as an open-air prison then trump's trying to do a prison break
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yeah i so i just see this as like i want people to have nice places to live and i also
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want to get to why this is it so i i i hear this narrative but realistically i don't think these
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people are going to end up somewhere better and we're going to talk about that in a second we're
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going to talk about why they might not move but i want to talk about what trump literally said here
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okay so uh he says we'll own it we're going to take over that piece develop it and create thousands
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and thousands of jobs and it will be something the entire middle east can be proud of trump said
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of gaza adding that he envisioned many people quote also palestinians living in the area and said it
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could become the quote-unquote riviera of the middle east yeah no he literally said and i don't want to be
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cute i don't want to be wise i don't want to be cute of the middle east this could be something that
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could be so this could be so magnificent but more importantly than that is that people have been
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absolutely destroyed that live there now can live in peace in a much better situation because
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they're living in hell i want to hear trump is in the end a deeply empathetic person who doesn't
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want other people to suffer and he also really likes pretty nice things like and he spent way more of
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his life as a real estate developer and tycoon than he spent as president so like this is his area
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of expertise excuse me i don't know who you are what i was going to get to or i've been trying to get
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to for a bit is netanyahu's response as trump is making this is netanyahu who has never proposed
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anything so bold is there he goes this is what they say netanyahu called the move something that
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could quote-unquote change history and said it was a quote-unquote worthwhile proposal to explore he's
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a good politician no i could just imagine i don't think trump like reviewed this with him first i think
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like netanyahu comes to the country he's like okay okay i'm gonna do a series of meetings and trump's
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like let's talk about that and netanyahu's like wait what uh that's a a worthwhile idea that we should
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explore fully um uh uh but i i i literally think that's what happened i don't think that trump like
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okay this was netanyahu at all when you well but that's so trump is a businessman he thinks on the
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fly he uses his intuition and yeah he is an actual out of the box thinker i'm sure he's just thinking
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like but i love i love that because there's so much in in politics and conflict like very slow incremental
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thought in progress when i would love more people to be asking why not why not why not turn gaza into
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the riviera of the middle east i mean i i could get to the reasons but like okay let's talk about where
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he wants to send these people right he said egypt or jordan jordan is definitely not going to take
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them because the last time jordan took palestinian refugees are not even refugees immigrants they tried
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to take over the country and killed a bunch of people and tried to murder the entire royal family
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so i can understand why they're a little hesitant to pull that game again maybe they can go to haiti
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they can rebuild so haiti needs redevelopment capital right and there aren't that many people
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then pay haiti a stipend for taking them well listen just cheer me out okay like so haiti with
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better governance and better development could be the dominican republic which is a beautiful resort
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like they're the same island you go to one and there are people at like wonderful wonderful
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beautiful resorts and then you go to the other half and it's all deforested and you know it's been
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ruined by poor governance both the haitians and the people of gaza if they can learn how to
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live peacefully governments and payments to the french for the slaves that they had to pay for and
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were usuriously taxed for by the french right i mean you sort of have to like own the debt like
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from a blank slate let's blank slate haiti but develop it too and chase i think owns it too then
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you can have the riviera of the caribbean and you can have any of this and i want to get to what i
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think he's actually doing here yeah yeah yeah so what are other recent statements trump has made about
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the area okay so he said trump urged israel to quote get it over with let's get back to peace
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and stop killing people in quote emphasizing the need for a swift conclusion to the conflict
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and this was very recently so relatable my guess is what is happening here is and say it with me
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because i mentioned it i said that this is what he was doing with canada and mexico and everyone was
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like well the trade war trade war is immediately over mexico has said okay we'll put 10 000 troops
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on the border to stop fentanyl coming over canada appointed a whole czar to work on the issue of
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illegal immigration coming in from their border region and to deal with the cartels that had begun
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to infiltrate their country arguably to a much lower extent it was weird to put mexico and canada in the
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same bucket there but like i get it from a trump battle optics perspective but what he's doing here
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is anchoring he is trying to re-anchor expectations and right now there is an opportunity for peace in
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the region but the opportunity for peace in a region requires both sides feeling like they're giving up
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a lot from what they would have expected getting yeah um and the biden administration had anchored
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the palestinian side of this particular debate to a position that was just completely unrealistic
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it was impossible yeah and it was it was honestly close to what a real solution well look but that's
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a problem because if you anchor them close to a real solution then they're going to want significantly
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more than that yeah and it's why we haven't seen a resolution to this conflict and this is a true for
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the other power players in the region whether you're talking about saudi arabia which we'll get to
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in a bit whether you're talking about you know the uae all of them are like okay what can we get this
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like 25 more because this is the way everybody thinks in a negotiation then like the default offer
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on the table right and and and that was unrealistic because the default offer on the table was the the
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not release of all the hostages and normalization of relationships like that's obviously not going to sit
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with the israelis right and and you need a deal that works whether or not you care about the israelis
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or the gods you need a deal that works with both people and we were nowhere close to such a deal
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what trump did with this and keep in mind the israelis have more power right now in regards
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to this particular conflict you can't push them off or kick them off very easily from this position
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you know any people can be like well it's the same with the gazans you know they can
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no i mean realistically the gazans don't have the the the weapons or the aid or the economy
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to hold on to their land in the way that the israelis do if i'm just being completely neutral
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and and pragmatic and ruthless here yeah looking at the resources of both sides one
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yes and so what trump is doing here is he is attempting to reset the conversation in a way where
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peace can realistically be achieved because now everyone's going to be excited about something that
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isn't this insane idea that trump proposed or seems to be pushing in their minds and one of
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the things that we also need to keep in mind is like why don't other muslim countries like if they
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care about them so much why don't they take the refugees if they've got this giant border because
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remember if this is an open-air prison well one of the walls of that prison is along egypt not just
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along israel right so why has egypt put a quote-unquote wall there to create this prison it's because
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they don't want them in their country either and i think fixing that is honestly and i think trump
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is is right in this is the easier battle to win than normalization of the relationships with israel
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and i do think that he has a secondary potential plan here who knows where he might be expecting
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israel to handle this and i think another thing he's trying to do is normalize this kind of talk
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within israeli politics so that it can begin to again get to a realistic deal that's going to work
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for the people of israel but a lot of people in israeli politics have been you see this position
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was common on like the extreme right in israel but not anywhere in like mainstream politics
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and now that it's aired it it's going to become more normalized within mainstream politics which again
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as simone said if what you care about is peace you're not going to get a piece that looks anything
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like what the biden administration was pushing that's just completely unrealistic and will lead
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to war again in the new well yeah a return to how things were is not peace and anything being
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suggested now aside from what trump is suggesting is oh and i will there was a really interesting
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change in statistics before we go into like the the because i want to get into a lot of the news news of
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this remember how 75 of palestinians backed the october 7th attacks this is on december 2023 yeah
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this number has been dropping precipitously as the war has continued uh by september 2024 it had dropped
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to 64 and in the most recent poll this was september 2024 so i guess later in september it showed a
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further decline with only 39 of gazans still supporting the attack that was dropping from 75
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keep in mind that that number now is almost as low as the number of germans who supported the nazis
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which was 37.3 compared to 39 of gazans who support the september so they're getting back to
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nazi germany level and well not it's yeah and and and and 57 of respondents in gaza now consider the
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attack of the wrong decision uh well considering what happened on all sides involved it seems reasonable
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yeah but i mean if anything it happened there's no one doing it it would be wonderful if this could
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be a forcing function i mean i agree with you i think that what trump is doing is one actually being
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creative and and i think genuinely he would love for this to actually happen but i think he knows that
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it's unlikely to actually happen but he'd love the idea he's a real estate developer like i said like
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he this is his thing no he wants to he wants to find a cheap way to get this land and that he's
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really i i promise you there is a part of his mind that absolutely is planning to attempt to develop
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the riviera of the middle east and gaza well but he loves doing that it's fun for him and he's imagining
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the golf courses he's imagining the the shiny golden towers yes he's he's no i i don't i agree i agree
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with you and think that while he would love to do that and he's not joking about being like this would
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be awesome he he understands that he's moving the over to us troops there is a pattern that's starting
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to form you know with his threatened tariffs with everything else he threatens something pretty extreme
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the other side puffs up their chest as well and then productive conversations start and things
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de-escalate but also actual change begins to take place and i think that that's the important thing
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that we're looking at here is trump is using a his out-of-the-box thinking and creativity
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to spark productive conversation because he well when you're when you're dealing with strong men don't
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act like a pussy like that's like the number one first rule of dealing with strong men is don't
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approach the negotiation table acting like a pussy and trying to be reconciliatory yeah or you're not
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going to get a solution that brings peace to the people of the strong men because you almost always
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will care more about the well-being of the people of the strong men than the strong men will and i want
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to go over to trump's actual words here so he said why would they want to return the place has been
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hell and then a reporter shouts because it's their home sir why would they leave and then he responds
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it's been one of the meanest toughest places on earth and right now i've seen every picture from
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every angle better than if i were there and nobody can live there you can't live there and then later
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that day he said that we should take over and transform it into the riviera of the middle east
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now egypt jordan and the united arab emirates qatar and palestinian re leaders and recently
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have rejected the idea yet rejected the idea putting it mildly they point out specifically
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that this could lead to security risks and instability as i have pointed out you know
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they're dealing with their own issues and they are right letting gazans into your country leads to you
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you know historically speaking being targeted to be killed i understand why there would be fear around
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this and keep in mind that others middle eastern countries are going to put a target on you if you do
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this as well because oh we like the gazed people acting as sort of a pawn in this political game
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and being a thorn in israel's side if you remove the thorn from israel you know that scene is is
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capitulating to them i'd also note here if people are like why do you you know not support a hundred
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billion dollars being given to africa to lower the amount of aid but are okay with like the one billion
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dollars that so far trump has given israel and like military aid and i think i said it was the
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are the people of africa going to have any long-term care for america or any appreciation for this
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these programs no they'll just say we were trying to scramble their genes or something that's what
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a lot of leaders say or it's poisoned or you know you see this repeatedly like they we have to give them
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like gmo grain and they let it rot because they think it's gonna you know and i get it like why
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trust the united states on this stuff yeah we have a different relationship and they will continue to
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appreciate the united states long into the future in this matter if you look i think a key difference
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that's deeper in your philosophy here is there's consensual aid versus non-consensual aid and well
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i mean the people want this aid but the point being is that the the people of israel are high tech and high
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fertility yeah they're the only group on earth that fits that that means that geopolitically they are the
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most important group globally right now to build the long-term alliance with if you care about your own
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people well in contrast a lot of the groups in africa for example who are actually the recipients
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of the aid don't trust it never asked for it don't want it and often they don't use it so yeah and i
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love when people are like oh jews have a short memory oh jews they won't appreciate favors you do
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or remember slights meanwhile jewish religious texts be like our enemies cowards hiding in the deepest
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every wrong is recorded every slight against us page after page
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one wrong but right but the great book of grudges
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remains full they unironically hold a grudge against civilizations that haven't existed for
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thousands of years yeah and so trump's idea so to get back to the text here trump's idea of a u.s
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takeover of gaza strip comes at a highly sensitive moment and risks overshadowing the u.s's priorities
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in the middle east and now it points out that uh we're in the middle of a fragile six-week ceasefire
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fire in which mediators are set to begin talks towards a lasting peace the u.s and israel were also
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weighing whether uh to use force to stop iran's advancing nuclear program and both in hope for a
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normalization deal uh for saudi arabia into a broader regional alliance now saudi arabia is like oh my
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god we cannot normalize anything if you go ahead with this you know we viewed palestinian statehood as
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being part of the normalization talks and i think that again this is about anchoring i i do not think that
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this is the position that trump's going to hold to and you can even hold me to this i will say that
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if trump actually holds to this position and attempts to send like u.s troops to gaza to occupy
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the region one you can say i was foolish i didn't understand how trump thinks or acts i was wrong in
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supporting him in this particular endeavor and i made a massive miscalculation in understanding trump
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however i do not think that that's what's going to happen i think that this is going to make
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a deal much more likely and keep in mind if a deal does come whether it's with saudi arabia
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or with with gaza this is a deal that biden administration was unable to create
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okay so for all of you who are like oh i care about the people of gaza like well the biden
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didn't bring them peace in fact the war started under his watch yeah he didn't he didn't bring
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saudi arabia to the table in the way that trump had before this and i and i do expect trump to probably
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get some sort of deal ironed out with them so you know you can't criticize his negotiating ability
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if it leads to desired outcomes and your awesome note we have a whole other episode on this but i
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just want to briefly note this is people like why do you get into politics why do you support trump
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and it's similar to what i was saying earlier it's like as a political commentator i can be the
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who says i don't support anyone everyone's a bad guy i'll turn on anyone the moment i disagree with
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them but that's not loyalty like if you're like i support the king so long as he does exactly what i
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want him to do that's not loyalty you know i'm telling you the public i think and i you know
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said this leading up to the election if you elect trump i think good things will happen for the
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world and that's me like making a political investment almost like a bet which should
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reflect on me if i turn out to have made a wrong investment if trump literally attempts to occupy gaza
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i made a wrong investment at least by my current understanding i could turn out that trump is accurate
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in his attempt to do this and it does turn out peaceful i just do not predict that right
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now like that's another political bet that i'm making that i don't think but i do not think that
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that's what he plans to do now i would also note here israel and hamas recently agreed for 33 hostages
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in gaza for hundreds of palestinians you know it shows how much each side values their individual
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people and sorry i want to say yeah we got the jordan guys saying i'm not going to take people oh i
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thought this was really interesting so you know as i've mentioned jordan it's existential to them to
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take these people and if they do take these people they're not going to be kept in good conditions
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given what happened the last time jordan tried to integrate a population from gaza
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but i thought this was really interesting jordan a historic ally of the united states and one of the
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largest aid recipients with a yearly 1.4 billion aid package has seemingly been exempted from trump's 90 day
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a freeze huh well that's interesting and some people are calling this and specifically some
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people french newspapers i read we're calling this economic blackmail to try to force jordan to take
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this i'm like wait how how entitled do you have to be to call this blackmail we are giving them
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billions of dollars every year and it's blackmail to say hey we might stop giving you that money if you
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don't try to create peace in your region like how are they creating peace in their region by saying
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no the gazans need to stay in gaza even though they recently attacked you know israel and somehow
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and and have israelis as hostage right now and and and create some how is that supposed to work right
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that's not creating peace in the region that's just insisting on a status quo which led to the war
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to begin with like presumably and i think that this is the thing that you really pushed at the beginning of
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this presumably nobody wants the previous status quo yeah because it wasn't good for anyone so if you
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don't want the previous status quo other than from the river to the sea other than getting rid of the
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jews which you know some people think is an acceptable response i do not what are you gonna do and i think
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that trump has promoted a out there idea but it's definitely one that starts the conversation as you
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could say now i want to get to something else that people were talking about here do you have any
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thoughts on jordan before i go further i don't know i i think when it comes to
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people who are presently in gaza who need to be somewhere else jordan doesn't seem to be a solution
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i don't know where is the solution i almost feel like a distributed program my plan
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what was your plan ship them all to germany germany will take them two for one people
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wonder why i have such hostility to germany they they they do outlaw me for existing because my
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genes aren't pure enough my children's genes they hate that we dirty the genetic pill with science
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and they believe that humans should be kept genetically pure and they're against all human selection even even
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for gender which is something that we perform for religious reasons with all of our kids so yeah i mean
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i might not care so much just ship them ship them up to germany i i really wanted out and i think
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trump does too i really think he wants palestinians to end up somewhere good and to be living a better
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life and to be living in good conditions he wants everyone to be living in good conditions he wants
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everything everything to look germany would take them and put them in good conditions it would be fine for
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for like a generation for a generation yeah germany's not doing great although yeah i guess europe they
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gotta replace all their old people the population population is really young like germany how are
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they gonna handle all their retirees fair okay well maybe maybe germany then i love your like no but
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okay so realistically where do you move them just get in line to become biodiesel oh stop crying you
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annoying weasel as laid out by curtis yarvin handle the old or we'll all be starving
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i've solved the climate crisis here with calculations crystal clear the efficiency is through the roof
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though some might call my methods uncouth i think haiti is actually an interesting idea if you do that
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along with some sort of well if haiti were like a sort of blank slate we are going to make this
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one of the i know we don't have control over haiti i get that people i know haiti is not part of the
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united states but let's just say haiti like makes a city-state that outsiders can govern with really
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innovative good governance work with haiti there's tons of outside investment and the one condition
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is that in this new hugely invested in city-state haitians need to be given you know a great place
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to live as do refugees from gaza and then they are the workers that make up the workforce of this new
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you commit to funding you commit to funding so first of all you don't have the us fund this you
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have israel fund this israel pays haiti to set this up israel pays to haiti to make this happen
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and then you work with middle eastern powers or you have israel pay middle eastern powers to set up
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a permanent military presence in haiti to stop the because right now haiti is just a nightmarish place
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to be living to try to be entirely rebuilt and entirely re-governed what's the name of the person
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leading it right now barbecue barbecue yeah but hold on i want to talk about this this accusation that the
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drudge administer report which i mentioned earlier was saying trump's nominee for pentagon chief
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suggests new temple could be built on temple mount so what he said actually was there's no reason why
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the miracle of a re-establishment of the temple and the temple mount is not possible he said i don't know
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how it would happen you don't know how it would happen but i know that it could happen he added so
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this is like an out there saying he's not really pushing for this i'd also note here remember i was
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talking about the elon team and like them wanting to be freaking out about this but they're so focused on
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gaza right now yeah so a quote from that recently was two of these sources say that elaza's privileges
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include the ability to not just read but also write code on two of the most sensitive systems in the us
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government the payment automation system pam and the security payment system sps at the bureau of
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financial services bfs housed on top secret mainframes these systems control on a granular level the government
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payments and in their totality amount to more than a fifth of the u.s economy
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wow i mean i'm glad when i saw when i saw that he's able to
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that he's actively making changes to this he's making like major changes in everything when is the
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last time that you've interacted with a government website or piece of government tech it is old it is
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very poorly built it's built by rfp in most cases it's it is just like really really really not
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well the whole system's in cobalt and everyone's like panicking because they're like nobody knows
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how to program this like it's not just you need to be a cobalt engineer you need to be a cobalt engineer
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who has experience with these old government systems oh boy um and you got you know like we we
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mentioned on the last episode where somebody was like an experience of like undeciphering like greek
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scrolls that had been burned in a fire yeah can you imagine a better person yeah trying to decipher
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these old systems but this idea of what is even more horrifying than what elon's team is doing is
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this idea of just letting everyone who knows how to program these systems die and hope that they like
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stay operational it reminds me of one of those sci-fis where they're like worshipping some old
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technology that no one knows how to use that makes their food or something now we're at the generation
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where we can fix this before we end up worshipping a technology that no one knows how to use maybe
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maybe what they're doing is the right thing to be doing even if it breaks some things temporarily
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it is wonderful it is absolutely wonderful but yeah i've tried to be as oh anyway you were saying
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someone no no go ahead well no people love to hear your thoughts i want to hear more of your thoughts
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i think you aren't even getting giving the trump administration enough credit for for what they're
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doing and for being now you're involved in this time no no but like being violently creative is a really
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good idea and i think it's one of the reasons why even in his first administration even when he tried
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to play nice and play along with everyone else trump still did so well with foreign policy because he just
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walked into rooms it was like hey let's solve this problem when before it was about turning gaza into
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a golf course it was kind of like dating in japan versus like dating in i don't know the 1950s united states
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where like in japan you know you have to have your friends talk to each other and then they like
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maybe you know they they come back to you and maybe you'll all go on a group date together but like
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it's not really clear you're on a date and all these things have to happen and kind of nothing really
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gets done versus in the us like in the 1950s ish at least among some mainstream cultures it was just
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like hey you know can i take you out to dinner you know can can we just and just like oh they got
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things done and then they got married and had kids and they did things with their lives and that's what
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trump does and it got him in a lot of trouble in the first administration because he kept saying
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stuff really directly and trying to solve problems and people actively tried to stymie him what we're
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seeing now is he's proposing things except this time he's gutted out a lot of the infrastructure
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that used to just stop this from happening i i think that there's a lot to be funding stuff to
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try to talk about how bad this is anyway continue i mean but probably there's just a whole lot that
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could probably just be solved with a very very little money and with very very little time without the
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bureaucratic tumors that have formed around government over the past 200 years by the way
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simone i don't know if you if you saw this by the way with the usa story we did where we talked about
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someone we know who was creating reports that no one was reading after we did this we had multiple
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friends none of them the person you were talking about reach out to us and say why did you like talk
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about me and we were like actually i had no idea you did that for usaid is this like a common thing
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among our friend group like writing reports for usaid that no one ever is going to read yeah that
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actually that that really surprised me yeah yeah there yeah i was like you know we never talked to you
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about your job like is this is this that calm i love that this is like a fear that like so many
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people had it's like well yeah that is interesting yeah that like they would think that because all of
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the people that reached out we hadn't even talked about them i think ever working at usaid
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yeah but now i know there's this constant fear of maybe everyone who's ever touched usaid that i did
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stuff that i know made absolutely no difference and was paid a lot of money for it
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yeah realization of like no you you don't talk about it don't mention it it's like that bit with
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the husband who's like listen i'm afraid to like mention it but there's this this fairy that just
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cleans up at night yeah and i just don't i don't want to jinx it you know like the money fairy just
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comes to me i just yeah i just i leave the socks on the floor and in the morning they're up and like
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with usaid it's like i i don't want to jinx it but there's this organization of the u.s government
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write reports that no one reads and they just send you money just like research stuff that
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you're interested in and like write up your you know interest report and they pay you a lot of money
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and if you're part of the democratic apparatus the part of the deep state you get the
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no but i i i think that to the issue in gaza here is my larger if you want to say why isn't trump
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doing things the way that the biden administration was doing things the quote-unquote normal way the
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quote-unquote approved way because it wasn't getting them anywhere the the best case scenario
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for what biden was unable to even achieve was a normalization of the previous status quo
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which everyone agreed was horrible well and how do people think diplomacy used to work i mean it was
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benjamin franklin and john adams just hanging out in versailles getting drunk with the royal court being
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like hey guys maybe let's let's talk about something here what trump is doing is what our
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founding fathers did why are they so mad at trump for for for doing something other than what biden
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did and what biden was doing wasn't working and the best case outcome was a normalization of the
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previous status quo yeah why is it that considered like the gold standard here and trump is considered
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the crazy person and why are people willing to accept any proposed solution that allows for the
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continuation of humanitarian crises i am super not okay with what's happening on either side
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what happened on october 7th was unspeakably horrible and what has happened to people in in
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gaza in palestine is unspeakably horrible i mean trump literally looks at the pictures and the videos
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of parts of of gaza and is like it's it's a living hell and no one can live here and guess what actually
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people are living there and he can't even imagine this is like to him it's it's it's just pure rebel
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it's unlivable it's impossible and i i agree this is not tolerable and it needs to be fixed and he cares
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about fixing things he really really does and so i think that as crazy as this sounds i do hope it will
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move us towards the right outcome but again here is me making like a political or future bet
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i think trump will find solutions in the region that biden was unable to find because he is willing
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to talk and do things like this and i could be wrong about that and it could escalate and get worse
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because of trump and if i am wrong then here you look i was wrong about this this could be a long game
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thing this could be just like wait a little longer for demographic collapse to play out and america will
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just demographic collapse won't play out in gaza no i i get that but i'm thinking about other
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territories that we've talked about taking you know america will just basically panama will beg
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america to no with gaza the goal is don't interfere don't get involved let his reel handle it reset the
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overton window that's what he's doing i get that but i also i'm also kind of like well i guess colonies
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never really worked that well i guess if you were french if you're british they worked out pretty
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well actually but part of me imagines a post international trade collapse as described by
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peter zeihan and the end of the world is just the beginning you know like basically world trade kind
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of stops working because america stops policing the seas in that kind of world i could see countries
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being like you know what i would love to be an american protectorate because that's the only way
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i'm gonna have enough trade to support my economy and like keep the lights on for my people so i can
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totally see that yeah i can totally see that what i'm also thinking here is is this trump expansionism
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this this renewed manifest testing is kind of something that like
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like it's just a matter of time just wait they will come to you you don't even have to worry
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about it but trump in a way is already sort of starting the process by suggesting things like
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this in the first place so yeah i guess there's multiple ways in which the overton window is being
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shifted yeah yes and when he starts wasting money on stuff like this that's when i'm going to get upset
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yeah beyond the existing and and and and pre-laid out the payments to israel by biden's
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administration or i should say he hates a bad deal he didn't come on he hates the point i'm making is
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i'm saying when extra money starts being spent that's when i get mad beyond what camilla's
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administration because let's be honest biden wasn't really running anything anymore was already paying
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out to israel in in the region you know at least he's not paying 50 million for for condoms in in gaza
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trump's thinking is very consistent is and this is true like in his real estate history as well
00:42:08.400
you know with his use of debt is i'm going to build this big beautiful thing and someone else is going
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to pay for it and sometimes that's a lender or sometimes it's a beautiful i think he's going to
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end up getting roped into to gaza do you think he's going to end up getting roped into like spending
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a bunch of money in hand i don't know because he hates that he doesn't want to be on the hook to
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spend for anything yeah the first time no it's yeah well yeah that that but i mean i don't think
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in the end it was who's paying for the wall that was the big problem it was just a whole bunch of
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bureaucratic morass that slowed him down and made everything way more expensive than it should have
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been don't build it until they pay for it okay yes uh yes but i mean he's come on it your first time
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around being president especially with a very hostile world all right very spicy conversation
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but we're definitely going to get in trouble for this one i've tried to be way less opinionated than
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my other talks about israel on this one you know we're we're trying to say you know whatever side
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you support you've got to be realistic we're not going to get israel out of israel right so
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you need a solution that doesn't involve killing all the jews like i understand that that's like somehow
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like the default progressive response well could we could kill all the jews it's like well maybe um
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or we could make all of the jews move and it's like well they have a lot more guns i think that that
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might not be a realistic solution so let's try to fix things for the people of gaza right now okay
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but anyway love you to death's the mom love you too
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in gaza's land where palm trees sway trump's got a plan to save the day
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with golden towers touching skies a billionaire's paradise does arise
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gaza's the new riviera oh oh what a sight gold towers shining day and night
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golf courses stretching far and wide trump's dreamland by the seaside