Based Camp - Us Vs Them： But Who is ＂Them＂？ (The Insanity of a Genophage Cure)

00:00:00.000 like you can't just invite somebody into your society without them agreeing to any conditions

00:00:04.840 you know to have no shared culture and no conditions at all and just well and once it

00:00:12.340 wasn't even that anymore it was also though like okay but at least you you promised to follow the

00:00:18.340 law like to to adhere to our rules and laws yeah what's so interesting about the current divide

00:00:24.820 between Democrats and Republicans in the United States is that right now, it seems to be boiling

00:00:31.340 down to whether or not we are going to enforce laws. So now it's not even, we don't expect you

00:00:38.740 to adhere to our culture. It's, we don't even expect at least these privileged groups to adhere

00:00:43.900 to our actual laws. Would you like to know more? Hello, Simone. It's exciting to be here with you

00:00:50.040 today today we are going to be going back into the concept of us versus them in our society

00:01:00.020 and the reason i want to dive into it is because it's not like okay you're a random conservative

00:01:05.160 influencer out there and you're going to be like yeah we should be more us versus them in the way

00:01:10.480 that we see reality um which is true but how do you define us is us you know americans is us people

00:01:21.040 who are genetically similar to you is us some sort of ethnicity is us a religion or a cluster

00:01:28.200 of religions and so this matters a lot how how we think about this and i'm going to point out during

00:01:33.520 this if you try to build a world without an us and a them you in every scenario are eventually

00:01:40.920 eradicated and the reason this is something that often comes up in conversations that i have in a

00:01:49.460 reality fabricator or rfab.ai are like chatbot site because one of my favorite chatbot stories

00:01:55.320 to play is an ambassador for the terran empire going to meet with the sort of gay space communists 0.89

00:02:02.940 of the Federation and having diplomatic discussions with them was obviously the goal of being 0.70

00:02:08.340 eradicating them. And so I have to discuss, you know, why their values don't actually work long

00:02:15.100 term and always lend to more conflict and suffering. But I want to get to how cooked

00:02:21.800 this actually is as a concept. Okay. So there's a video game, Mass Effect 3. And I will describe

00:02:30.740 a scenario to Simone because she probably won't know this now maybe if you're a gamer you will

00:02:35.320 know the statistics on this particular decision but gamers generally like to choose the choice

00:02:40.600 that they see as more more right oh interesting yes because you don't want to see yourself as a

00:02:46.860 bad guy or be doing bad things so there is one moment in it that's framed as like this morally

00:02:53.640 complex choice so there was an incredibly warlike species that ended up destroying their

00:03:00.600 own planet after being artificially given technology by an outsider species um this species

00:03:07.660 because they lived in an incredibly harsh environment had around a thousand eggs per year

00:03:14.020 and lived about a thousand years on average and so when most of the eggs stopped dying in infancy

00:03:22.820 because they industrialized the populations immediately exploded leading to nuclear war 0.66

00:03:29.160 because they're already a very aggressive species and wiping out most of their planet.

00:03:34.400 So then the species that uplifted them infected them with something called the genophage.

00:03:40.040 And the genophage is said to make one in only a thousand Krogan births result in a live, healthy baby.

00:03:50.840 Now, I would note here, if you're already looking at the numbers,

00:03:54.660 this should still lead to a heavily growing krogan population because krogan females live a thousand 0.99

00:04:01.260 years and have a thousand eggs a year so even if only one of them is surviving that's still

00:04:06.960 one kid a year for a species that lives a thousand years it's still pretty good yeah yeah but the way

00:04:13.520 the game plays out it's like somehow implied that the devs did the math wrong okay this is so much

00:04:21.900 worse than i thought so in the game the reason why the one in a thousand was chosen by the species

00:04:28.520 that chose it for them or the scientists who chose it for them was he thought that this would

00:04:32.360 stabilize the population because well it wouldn't even stabilize it it would just make its growth

00:04:37.360 not stupidly explosive and if in human society most human women had one kid per year we wouldn't 0.83

00:04:47.000 say that's stabilizing the population but no the krogan culturally doubled down on this and become 0.99

00:04:54.980 even more violent and kill even more of their children and mass migrate off planet to become 1.00

00:05:02.160 mercenaries so it proves the choice and they thought that this meant that the krogan population

00:05:09.720 was declining fairly quickly in in numbers and so there's this huge moral choice of do you

00:05:18.620 eradicate the genophage like do you cure this thing that is lowering the krogan birth rate 0.98

00:05:25.460 okay now i think the moral answer in this should be obvious it's so obvious i have never been able

00:05:35.500 to whether i'm playing paradigm whether i'm playing rogue even wanting to see everything 0.94

00:05:40.400 that happens in the game i cannot bring myself to cure it it seems so obviously stupid to cure this 0.83

00:05:46.320 because the species would just explode and destroy the galaxy right well it would be bad for the

00:05:51.420 species bad for probably anyone else bad for like the universe on a mega scale okay so can you guess

00:05:59.520 what percent of gamers choose to cure the genophage 60 percent 96 percent

00:06:08.880 gamers you know so this isn't even like necessarily a particularly cooked population

00:06:16.700 right when we think of gamers like who do we think of right like a gamer gate everything like

00:06:21.840 that like gamers did vote with their wallets gamers did leave but these are still gamers

00:06:26.460 nonetheless right so you this is somewhat of a trolley problem though right where no one wants

00:06:32.280 to be responsible for pulling the lever that allows for death i guess right so if they don't

00:06:41.160 they don't want to see themselves as responsible for participating in what could be argued as but

00:06:47.300 they are actively pulling the lever because they're curing the genophage they they are they

00:06:53.680 are the ones actively curing something and i want to point out how absolutely 96 of the population

00:07:00.760 how absolutely retarded you have to be to make this decision this is not a species that right 1.00

00:07:08.420 now will go extinct unless they continue the actions that they are taking which is constantly 0.95

00:07:13.180 killing each other which is why they wanted to limit their reproduction but if you restore them

00:07:18.980 to full reproduction we're not talking about a species that like humans you know at most is

00:07:26.240 dealing with like four or five kids per woman per generation we are talking about a thousand

00:07:33.100 children per year per woman who lives a thousand years with their tfr being what it is now so 0.90

00:07:45.760 e.g. woman lives a thousand years let's assume that she's reproductive for 800 of them and she 1.00

00:07:53.840 has one kid a year because only one in a thousand survive and they can fertilize a thousand per year

00:07:59.440 this means that it is a species that right now has a tfr of 800 okay humanity yeah we're at a tfr 1.00

00:08:11.680 of like 1.6 in the united states the actual stupidity like you you are outright dooming the 0.99

00:08:20.920 universe for sure by curing this and if you say oh but the species can change i'm sorry buddy 1.00

00:08:29.340 if having a tfr of 800 puts you at an extinction level event because you are so kill happy and you

00:08:38.140 can't change in that event. I really don't think you're going to change for the rest of the

00:08:42.640 universe. And even if one faction of Krogan decides to limit the reproduction, there is

00:08:49.100 going to be other factions that don't, that don't care about the externalities. And then what do

00:08:55.320 you do about them? Exterminate them? How many million are there going to be by the time you 0.99

00:08:59.420 do that? Billion, trillion are there going to be? It's obvious you are setting up the universe for

00:09:05.220 a needed genocide in the future by doing this and for what for a short-term emotional hit

00:09:13.560 because you knew a krogan or you had a krogan in your squad who you liked i liked the krogan

00:09:19.420 characters in the game too but i can do in math it's perfectly possible for you to know and like

00:09:27.700 a person and admire them and think you are cool but i can still do the math on what your culture

00:09:34.500 says it needs to do right i know i know but like look a lot of people now when they look at

00:09:42.120 different human populations that are suffering a lot right rather than figuring out how to get

00:09:50.360 people out of that region where there's immense poverty or how to educate them more or things

00:09:55.180 like that they're like i'll just give you all more food so that you can well i think your answer is

00:09:59.980 also somewhat naive cultures and populations are different some cultures in populations because of

00:10:07.820 differences in how they approach things like the value of education to them are never going to have

00:10:15.800 the quality of life conditions that you see as the minimum that a human should live within and thus

00:10:26.220 you as an outsider who are productive really only have two choices give them or eradicate them or

00:10:35.380 allow them to continue to live in their current conditions and what the west has broadly decided

00:10:40.720 is the correct answer is give them that's that's sort of where we've gone with this and this has

00:10:47.740 enormously negative consequences. So it just at like the broad level, if you enable cultures to 0.67

00:10:56.280 that just, you know, oh, I have more food. Now I'm going to have more kids, right? If you enable them

00:11:02.700 to just continue to proliferate, then you enable the suffering that is associated with that

00:11:09.900 population, right? And this is true within populations as well. When you go out of your way

00:11:17.960 to help the weak within a population, you often end up creating more overall suffering. This is

00:11:27.400 at a genetic level and at a cultural level. Within our society, we've really seen this as we've sort

00:11:33.400 of made a point of nobody dies that means that many genetic conditions that wouldn't have existed

00:11:40.680 if nature had played out its course are going to proliferate more frequently but you don't just

00:11:47.320 have this at the level of the individual you also have this at the meta level at the level of the

00:11:52.480 culture right like you have various civilizations on earth here today right and in the united states

00:12:00.500 we frequently now import people who very clearly have a completely orthogonal cultural mindset to

00:12:10.540 us. And we've taken this perspective of because we have successfully integrated some groups in the

00:12:18.760 past, that we will be able to successfully integrate these new groups. And that is

00:12:26.700 something that's not necessarily true, right? Like if we look around the world,

00:12:33.160 there are many locations where a population immigrated into a region and never fully

00:12:39.900 integrated into that region, despite being there for many, many, many generations. And this is

00:12:47.100 actually, generally speaking, from the perspective of that culture, a positive thing. It's because

00:12:52.840 that culture had some form of cultural resistance to total acculturation. Examples of cultures that

00:13:00.720 have proven very resistant over generations, Orthodox Jewish populations have proven very 1.00

00:13:05.180 resistance to acculturation over generations. The Amish population has proved very resistant 0.89

00:13:09.720 to acculturation. Romani populations have proved very resistant to acculturation. Now, simply 1.00

00:13:15.740 because a group is resistant to acculturation does not mean necessarily that they are a group that

00:13:22.840 automatically has to be your enemy or a group you see as adversarial. I doubt very many

00:13:29.780 conservative Americans would consider the Amish to be antagonistic towards Americans' goals or

00:13:38.600 values or the conservative movement or really anything. But keep in mind, you know, they don't

00:13:44.780 fight in our wars. They are strict pacifists. They live a radically different lifestyle than

00:13:50.800 most of you do and and this is what we need to think about is what does us versus them how do

00:13:57.320 we define this how do we think about this and the reason i was talking about it in the context of

00:14:03.740 space travel where it really begins to matter is suppose humanity really does split into two

00:14:12.600 factions and this is truly i think if you want a future for let's say european civilization at

00:14:20.280 this point europe is just cooked i see no way that they can realistically get out of the situation

00:14:28.640 that they've put themselves in and there don't even seem to be political headwinds for it to

00:14:33.520 happen right now with those things being the case if you are a european in europe and you are

00:14:41.900 fantasizing about well okay what does the future of when we far into the future what where should

00:14:49.740 i be heading what should i be aiming for space travel is largely what you're aiming for i think

00:14:56.140 even within the united states like when i think about my family and and my culture's goal and

00:15:02.200 it's it's obvious to me why elon is speed running for this as well it is to get off planet you know

00:15:09.740 as quickly as possible or to build settlements in regions that are less populated as i've often said

00:15:17.440 like arctic settlements and stuff like that just so we're not in a place where we have to deal with

00:15:21.500 other people but in regards to the you know once you begin doing the the space travel option

00:15:27.860 that that that's where because even in the united states like while europe is cooked

00:15:33.420 how far are we from europe right now right like even with everything that ice has done

00:15:42.160 If you look at a place like, let's say, New York City right now, it's basically already, from a cultural perspective, completely fallen at this point.

00:15:52.340 There really isn't much left that can be salvaged of New York.

00:15:58.240 If you let existing trend lines continue to trend in the direction that they're going.

00:16:04.380 And this is true.

00:16:05.980 If you're like a New Yorker or whatever, and you're like, this isn't true.

00:16:09.660 you know, New York still has, man, I I've been going to New York all my life. Okay. The lack

00:16:16.080 of trust that is endemic in all layers of New York society. Now, when you go through like a

00:16:22.220 simple convenience store is clearly indicative of a society where the society itself cannot trust

00:16:32.620 its citizens. As Simone pointed out in one of our weekend episodes, the concept of a grocery store

00:16:37.840 You could go into a store and the food would just be out and you could just pick it up and walk around with it until you got to the end of the line. That didn't exist anywhere until Piggly Wiggly in 1914, right?

00:16:54.620 A society that was that high trust is a historical anomaly and is in many ways already collapsed

00:17:04.640 in most of Europe and is, and note, it didn't reach Europe until later than that.

00:17:10.080 So Europe only got this little experiment about being able to walk into a store and

00:17:13.860 pick something up fairly recently, but it's already collapsing within our cities in the

00:17:19.540 united states right and so how how what does future look like it looks like getting getting

00:17:26.520 into space i also want to point out when i talk about different groups here i have a little

00:17:30.140 segment at the end where i go more into this but we just did an episode on young and some of our

00:17:34.620 fans i think were pretty surprised and they were like your take on young is too materialist and

00:17:39.920 being materialist is very urban monoculture which of course made us just like immediately laugh

00:17:44.920 Because from our cultural perspective, being materialist is incredibly anti-urban monoculture, and the urban monoculture is incredibly woo and mystical.

00:17:54.760 And what I sort of had to point out to Simone, and I was like, no, what you're missing is that for many of our audience, the urban monoculture is actually more materialist than their culture, right?

00:18:08.040 And so from their cultural perspective, where from our perspective, one of the urban monoculture's key sins is mysticism and woo.

00:18:16.640 From their cultural perspective, one of his key sins is materialism.

00:18:21.160 And yet we can see enough cultural alignment in this existing geopolitical moment that we make particularly good allies.

00:18:30.180 And this is why it matters.

00:18:31.900 you might find better allies in somebody who is more culturally distant from you as opposed to

00:18:40.120 somebody who is more culturally similar to you and again this is why having a conversation about

00:18:46.120 us versus them is an important conversation to have so far far in the future suppose we're having

00:18:51.620 this gay space communism discussion with the terran federation or empire the terran empire 0.53

00:18:58.740 so the terran empire goes up and how how is the terran empire likely structured it's likely

00:19:05.420 ruthlessly darwinistic you know based on constant competition to through competition show which of

00:19:15.420 the competing groups is actually better at doing something to have an efficacious way of knowing

00:19:20.760 which way is better you five are the final vestiges of your brood that some

00:19:28.600 One deem might one day be of value to the clan.

00:19:33.880 I am not one of them. 0.99

00:19:37.200 To me you five are the excrement of a failed semi-aborted batch from my blood house. 0.99

00:19:45.640 Far from the pinnacle of humanity demanded by the clan's geneticists that spawned you. 0.99

00:19:55.280 I am a gracious host, so I will give you the opportunity to show me what those Stravix

00:20:02.480 on Lunderholm taught you.

00:20:05.520 Show me what you know of being a real true boon mech warrior, and prove yourselves worthy

00:20:13.680 of the name and heritage you carry with you.

00:20:18.040 and in my lore often when i'm doing this the the terran empire often first left the global earth

00:20:27.220 government when the global earth government bans like genetic modification and uplifting of animals

00:20:32.180 and stuff like this because that is an urban monocultural mindset you know nobody can be

00:20:36.360 different because if anyone was different then the lie that fundamentally underwrites our entire

00:20:41.640 cultural theory begins to fall apart so as soon as people could engage in gene editing this doesn't

00:20:46.760 work so they end up fleeing with for for that situation and you get a situation that's very

00:20:52.200 similar to in the mech warrior universe if people are familiar with it the clanners where the clan

00:20:57.160 has to leave the the inosphere and adopts a culture that's not dissimilar from this constant

00:21:03.600 competition that leads to a society that is both more meritocratic but more authoritarian in its

00:21:11.560 overlays um we are smoke jagged strongest of the clans we are hunters who fight with the

00:21:23.060 ferocity of our namesake to stand unequaled amongst the children of kurinsky

00:21:28.780 we remember the bravery of our ancestors who gave themselves to the void and of the death

00:21:40.580 Spots, responsible for their exodus.

00:21:46.200 Through our strength, we lead the Crusaders to see the Great Father's dream realized.

00:21:54.000 His hidden hope to one day return and reclaim paradise.

00:21:59.940 It is our sole purpose, our divine right.

00:22:04.480 we will bring vengeance down upon the tyrants that enslave humanity

00:22:11.180 and they shall tremble before our rights but in the federation presumably the ideal

00:22:20.960 that would undermine it is well we're able to maintain peace because we don't allow for true

00:22:32.340 competition. You know, we all attempt to live in harmony. And what you need to point out is

00:22:38.540 that can never work long-term. And the reason it can never work long-term is because of any

00:22:45.600 sub-faction within that cultural alliance does want to, you know, work towards its own aims.

00:22:54.640 It eventually overthrows it. If you were to have a cultural group organically form within this

00:23:02.340 perfect star trekking federation right and that cultural group was genuinely only self-interested

00:23:11.100 and constantly attempting to improve itself and through that getting better it would eventually

00:23:17.360 accumulate more and more resources have more and more political influence until the entire

00:23:25.200 federation served the whims of that one cultural group, right? And if the, and this is what we're

00:23:34.460 already seeing was in the urban monoculture. They have brought in many outside populations

00:23:38.860 that simply don't hold their value set and are very loud about not holding their value set,

00:23:44.340 right? And yet they don't seem to care about this because like the Krogan, it doesn't matter what

00:23:51.300 the long-term ramifications of their decision are all that matters is that they feel like the good

00:23:58.600 guys in the moment and i want to point out that their long-term ramifications of their decisions

00:24:02.540 are on the face bloody and terrible if you look at a place like let's say germany right which is

00:24:09.680 further along than we are in the united states if you look at their immigrant population in germany

00:24:14.300 what was it the last i checked it was 40 of germans or 35 immigrated after war war one i

00:24:22.340 want to say so like not you know not german at all culturally or genetically unless they've

00:24:27.880 they've adopted to the culture but and i've mentioned this before it's my scorpion and the

00:24:33.860 snake and the panda which is to say you have a scorpion and a snake and a panda who's holding

00:24:39.140 them apart and this happened when i was talking to a reporter because i pointed out they're like

00:24:44.680 many muslim immigrants in germany acclimate very well to german culture um and many germans

00:24:51.320 get along perfectly well with muslim populations and i'm like great i don't deny that but the

00:24:59.180 muslims who have tons of kids are they more likely to be the ones who are not acclimating

00:25:04.420 are they more likely to be the ones that are acclimating and the answer is obviously they're

00:25:09.760 more likely to be the ones who are not acclimating and i'm like so that culture over time will drift

00:25:15.260 in the cultural direction of the ones who are not acclimating now the germans who do not want to 0.62

00:25:22.100 live alongside the muslims you know a culture where from many of the countries that they're

00:25:26.800 coming from you know things like marrying people who are nine is considered culturally normal

00:25:30.860 and this isn't me like this is just like the law in many of these countries as we pointed out in

00:25:36.620 the episode where the court in with the pakistan threw a fit and said it was islamophobic to raise

00:25:41.520 the age of consent and so this again it's not me making accusations i'm just saying that this is

00:25:47.940 normal within some parts of muslim culture and it is those parts of muslim culture that are having

00:25:52.960 given a faster rate and some germans are just like i will not live alongside this right are 0.91

00:25:59.880 those germans is it that part of german culture that is replicating faster in terms of having kids

00:26:06.180 and the answer there is again obviously yes

00:26:09.560 so you know like if you if you're looking at this with any degree of objectivity

00:26:17.400 eventually something's going to happen there if you keep letting this build up

00:26:23.240 okay eventually there is going to be a point where you have two populations that don't want

00:26:29.740 to live next to each other living next to each other and one of the populations is eventually

00:26:37.280 going to be you know there's going to be conflict because they're both like i don't want to live

00:26:41.740 next to you i don't want to live alongside you at least not under the the rules that you are setting

00:26:47.420 what is interesting is that the the muslim populations might in the end even be more open

00:26:53.800 they might be like yeah sure i'll live alongside you so long as we move to sharia law and a lot

00:26:57.700 of people are like oh this isn't what the majority of muslims want they don't want to move to sharia

00:27:01.660 law and and this is you know factually untrue if you look at what's the statistic in the uk what

00:27:06.800 percent of muslims in the uk want sharia yeah i don't i feel like that was maybe there must be 1.00

00:27:10.800 more up-to-date info too because it was some really high percentage it's 40 so yeah a lot

00:27:19.520 a lot a lot a lot and i bet you that 40 of muslims who want sharia law in the uk

00:27:25.080 i would bet my life that they have a tfr that's at the very least 30 higher than the group that

00:27:33.700 doesn't probably but i'd be willing to say very likely that it's at least twice as high and so

00:27:40.440 you're going to get this more in the future and i think that this is really important for people who

00:27:47.280 are part of the wider conservative movement to get because actually yeah i mean that's supported

00:27:59.340 even by the polling so you were referring to a 2006 icm poll that found around 40 percent

00:28:06.560 supported quote there being areas in britain which are predominantly muslim and in which

00:28:11.660 sharia law sharia law is introduced but then in 2016 so 10 years later that's up to 43 percent

00:28:19.580 supporting growing the introduction of sharia law yeah yep yeah 22 percent opposed and 16

00:28:27.780 strongly supporting oh okay interesting all right yeah wow go on sorry no but but it's like

00:28:36.320 obviously the urban monoculture digs its head in the ground about this you know it's like where we

00:28:40.500 are, they want what we want, right? We just give them more stuff, more privileges, more opportunities,

00:28:47.520 and even conservatives really struggle with this. They will have a friend who is from a particular

00:28:55.820 group or a fan that is from a particular group, and they will see their ability to get along

00:29:02.440 with that individual and believe that that means that there is a path towards creating a working

00:29:11.380 solution for everyone from that demographic for everyone for that culture when if the person who

00:29:21.260 you get along with in that cultural group is well below fertility rate their perspectives

00:29:27.800 are not necessarily are are unlikely to be contiguous with the perspectives of whatever

00:29:34.480 that population ends up doing in the long run and and even if they're above repopulation rate

00:29:40.880 again what matters is is averages right and yes you can then find new ways to define people like

00:29:48.380 we'll say well the us can be the parts of this group that are willing to agree to x y and z

00:29:56.820 points of faith or points of morality or conditions now it used to be that we understood this was just

00:30:04.280 obvious as a society right like you can't just invite somebody into your society without them

00:30:09.220 agreeing to any conditions you know to have no shared culture and no conditions at all and just

00:30:16.540 well it and once it wasn't even that anymore it was also though like okay but at least you

00:30:22.740 you promised to follow the law like to to adhere to our rules and laws yeah what's so interesting

00:30:29.380 about the current divide between democrats and republicans in the united states is it right now

00:30:35.860 it seems to be boiling down to whether or not we are going to enforce laws so now it's not even

00:30:43.820 we don't expect you to adhere to our culture it's we don't even expect at least these privileged

00:30:49.020 groups to adhere to our actual laws that were voted in by Congress, which are being enforced by,

00:30:55.000 well, supposed to be enforced by our agencies. And the great outrage that many Democrats now have

00:31:00.820 is merely over the fact that we are enforcing existing laws, which previous Democrat

00:31:07.760 administrations had chosen to not enforce, which to me is pretty wild.

00:31:12.360 yes and one of the things that's really important for like the american and european conservative

00:31:21.580 movement to grok because they are sort of shared conservative movements even though i think that

00:31:26.940 the europe has been so eaten by the urban monoculture like they're not meaningfully

00:31:30.740 our allies but the conservative movements in europe are related to the ones in the united

00:31:34.580 states and the the american and european conservative movements and latin american

00:31:40.140 as well i think it's sort of the same wider actually latin america has some of the best

00:31:44.780 conservative leaders out there right now in terms of like leaders who european and american

00:31:50.280 conservatives get one for that's some of the the few conservative hero stories that we're seeing

00:31:55.560 we should probably do an episode on el salvador and the the crack the successful crackdown that

00:32:01.420 they've been able to do there and really transforming their society from a progressive

00:32:05.900 hellscape into, you know, a society of rules and laws and where you don't just murder people on

00:32:12.360 the street anymore. And that, to an extent, shows how far a society can slip before they do

00:32:17.860 something. How many years did Argentina have to flounder before they finally decided to do

00:32:23.340 something about it, right? And this is also an interesting point here that might be worth a

00:32:29.460 whole other episode where i think many american conservatives are like why are you you know

00:32:35.900 importing latin americans when they're so culturally distant from us and yet you know

00:32:41.300 they're overwhelmingly like latin american men are majority voting for trump and in their own

00:32:45.720 countries they're some of the only countries that have meaningfully been able to make the endless

00:32:51.400 progressive tide retreat so that's that's to me it's like the reason i'm i'm highlighting this

00:32:58.740 particular thing is american conservatives a european latin we need to understand that it may

00:33:06.000 feel conservative and cool to go out there with this authoritarian sort of aesthetic

00:33:14.380 and be like you're either exactly like this or you don't get to be part of our alliance

00:33:22.280 you know this is obviously very common in talking points like say nick fuentes is talking points and

00:33:27.240 stuff like this some of our fans are like no you know you need to be x y and z and i'm like do you

00:33:33.520 understand how little power any of the demographics that you guys keep breaking yourself down into

00:33:41.220 have anymore if you go out there and you say something like you like you still recognize

00:33:48.100 there's us in them but then you say and the us group must be white christian northern european

00:33:57.640 descendant right it's then you don't have enough of a group to civilizationally survive you're not

00:34:05.880 going to win elections in most european countries you're like well no we would win elections if

00:34:11.720 everyone who met these criteria voted for the group that was advantaging people who meet these

00:34:19.100 criteria and it's like well then your criteria are really bad because the majority of people

00:34:24.620 even who meet those criteria are unwilling to vote for the system that advantages people

00:34:33.080 who meet those criteria right something about the culture associated with those criteria

00:34:40.520 makes these people into or at least their women into real bleeding hearts in a way that people

00:34:49.120 call what do they call it sociopathic empathy and so when you go out there and you try to explain

00:34:53.860 something like this to them they're not going to grok it right and if you deny this you are simply

00:35:01.140 denying reality all the way till you and your culture movement whatever you want to call it

00:35:08.880 is walked off a cliff you will not matter in the future you will not exist in the future

00:35:14.740 because you are fighting a fight that you should recognize is patently unwinnable and then the

00:35:22.840 people are like no we can create this movement fine try but the problem that i have repeatedly

00:35:30.240 seen is the iterations of the movement and note here when i talk about the people who don't want

00:35:37.420 to live alongside muslims here i'm talking about you know normal conservatives don't want to live 1.00

00:35:41.580 along people who are great being nine-year-olds that is different like saying i don't want to

00:35:47.180 live alongside stuff like that which is something we can agree with i think we're pretty mainstream

00:35:51.600 conservatives that's different from being this more extreme group right the the nick fuentes

00:35:57.780 type group right where i could say i don't want to live alongside that group but i'm willing to

00:36:02.820 work with other groups to achieve my goals i'm willing to work with groups that have different

00:36:07.300 value sets that i have to achieve my goals and so how do we delineate what those groups are like

00:36:14.240 what are the groups that we can get along with and what are the groups that we can't get along

00:36:18.160 with but the the sorry the final point i was about to make here which i also think it's pretty

00:36:21.780 interesting is that the groups that take this suicidal approach the the nick fuentes approach

00:36:27.280 interestingly i i think that the reason that they're able to take this suicidal approach in

00:36:32.440 this group that any outsider would immediately recognize is suicidal and i say suicidal because

00:36:36.380 that just won't work like you don't have the demographics to win within anywhere is that they

00:36:41.940 typically don't have kids or don't have many kids and so they're okay with playing suicidally

00:36:48.160 the the civilizational game because they don't actually have any skin in the game they don't

00:36:51.400 really care about winning so thoughts simone before i go go further on that so who who can

00:36:57.560 you work with yeah i'm more curious as to like the practical implications or next steps

00:37:05.240 well i think the the two broad things that we look for in allies right the the first and biggest

00:37:20.260 thing that anyone is looking for in an ally is are their enemies your enemies right like do you guys

00:37:28.260 largely have the same adversaries this is the reason why a lot of people in our fan group who

00:37:35.800 might see us as like weird techno conservative types right that would still ally with us or

00:37:45.280 like our advice or want to work with us long term because the core daily enemy in their lives is the

00:37:52.520 urban monoculture um and so they say okay and so you guys make a good ally for us and interestingly

00:38:00.660 i think that this is also part of the reason why the urban monoculture so frequently sides with

00:38:06.920 violent islamists right they're like well you know you hate the part of american and european 0.96

00:38:13.880 culture that's going to survive that's not us and therefore even though we have almost no values in

00:38:19.940 common, and they really have almost no values in common, at least on the books, they can still

00:38:25.320 ally with one another, right? They both hate these same people. And again, the reason I say it's

00:38:31.860 important for us to do this is if you can't lay down a grudge and be like, yes, I can ally with

00:38:40.420 groups like Orthodox Jews or something like that. And I can ally with groups like Mormons, even

00:38:45.720 though i think their theology is weird or i can ally with groups like catholics even though i

00:38:50.500 think that one day we're going to have a cultural or orthogonality with them if you conservative

00:38:56.980 cannot lay down that to win this fight you just don't have a shot because your enemy is willing

00:39:06.160 to lay down all of the differences between violent expansionistic islamism and the urban 0.97

00:39:15.300 monoculture to persistently work together that's what we're fighting against and that's frankly

00:39:25.620 a very very powerful force when you consider the depending on the country of probably

00:39:34.320 unwinnable against force at this point yeah yeah and i think that it's important and this is why

00:39:43.180 we do this in our show so aggressively is to aggressively call out and target people who are

00:39:51.140 in this wider anti-urban monoculture faction and it's really anti-urban monoculture slash islamism

00:39:57.340 because somehow they become best buds and i actually think and i've i talked about this in

00:40:01.840 another episode that's what we're seeing more of going into the future when the urban monoculture

00:40:08.060 lost the palestine war as something to complain about when it lost environmentalism as something

00:40:14.120 to complain they're still complaining about it last time i checked yeah but you know trump created

00:40:20.660 peace in that region before going to war in iran which now they're complaining about that but like

00:40:25.080 i've noticed they don't seem to care as much about that as they did the palestine issue

00:40:28.460 which has been weird to me but anyway so you sorry the war in iran but what seems to have

00:40:37.220 replaced these sort of persistent talking points within the movement historically is pro just pure

00:40:46.380 communism which you predicted simone and pro islamism and i think we need to to recognize

00:40:52.180 that these movements are morphing into more of a a single unified force at least in terms of the

00:40:58.060 the movements that they're making on the on the ground we don't have the numbers to beat them

00:41:02.840 anywhere anywhere and what do you mean i mean since when were numbers about beating people

00:41:12.200 anyway if the long-term story is about going to space because we could end up with a situation

00:41:22.080 where before we get to space the groups arrayed against us either control technology which could

00:41:31.800 end life on the planet, e.g. nuclear bombs. You get an Afilist or an antinatalist in control of 1.00

00:41:40.060 nuclear bombs or an Islamist in control of nuclear bombs, and all of civilization is at an existential 0.97

00:41:47.840 point of risk, which is why the war in Iran was so necessary. But that is one thing. It could be

00:41:56.440 gray goo scenario, they end up delivering something like that. But the second thing is

00:42:01.120 just civilizational rot. I think we're getting very close to a point where as civilization

00:42:07.960 continues to exist, we write about this in our book on governance, number one Wall Street

00:42:11.440 bestseller, by the way, where we talk about how as governments grow larger and age, they begin to

00:42:19.340 develop self-replicating, self-interested units that basically grow on the money of these

00:42:27.240 organizations, right? So suppose you are a city and you start however many 50,000 commissions a

00:42:35.220 year or something like that. And one of these commissions finds a way to say, actually, we

00:42:42.540 need to keep, we need to be running every year, right? And so it does, right? It survives. It's

00:42:49.220 basically evolving, right? And then for the one of these that get through every, you know, 10 years

00:42:55.340 or every 100 years, you know, you get one that finds out, oh, and this is a good way to keep

00:43:01.800 them from shutting us down. A good strategy that many of them were using was to say that we are

00:43:05.820 fighting racism, right? You can't shut down the org that's fighting racism, right? But then they

00:43:10.820 find ways to get more resources, which is what cancer cells do. They start asking for more and

00:43:15.840 more blood vessels and more blood veins, right? You know, so the more and more resources come to

00:43:19.840 them. And now that they're larger, a bunch of people, a larger part of the surviving organization

00:43:25.500 is dependent on that inefficiency existing. And this is why you get those crazy numbers,

00:43:31.380 like, you know, $10 million for a porta potty in Manhattan, right? Eventually, you just can't do

00:43:37.600 basic work. Infrastructure cannot grow. And our civilization right now is actually sort of living

00:43:43.300 off of the infrastructure of our ancestors we do not have right now the technology and know-how

00:43:52.020 and even really government ability to if we wanted to build a nuclear power plant most of the nuclear

00:43:58.260 power plants that we have in operation are older than 50 years old the people who know how to make

00:44:02.820 nuclear power plants don't really they they're it's not that they're like not at work anymore

00:44:08.340 we're like two generations from any of them being at work anymore well so the that's not as much of

00:44:15.840 a problem because there are startups that are building small format nuclear plant technology

00:44:22.980 and like it can be done the problem is that the regulatory structure in the united states would

00:44:27.480 literally block those from being built oh no absolutely no like in in in five to ten years

00:44:32.660 we could have we could have them up we can't with our current regulatory environment and that is

00:44:39.160 that is really sad because i mean also from a cultural standpoint i don't see that changing

00:44:43.480 this is why so many people in our wider movement are looking at city states this is why there was

00:44:49.340 a thing where we were looking at creating a breakaway city state in the isle of man

00:44:52.060 that could have its own regulations and where you could set up things like micro nuclear power

00:44:55.860 plants and genetic augmentation and stuff like that in preparation for space travel because

00:45:00.020 But that's, I think, the best shot that we're going to have for preserving, I think many people on a civilizational level are not fully grokking what it means to have a society where the most intelligent people are just not having children, right?

00:45:18.280 how quickly IQ can drop from genetic reasons in a society.

00:45:24.100 And you can watch our episode that YouTube heavily restricted called,

00:45:28.000 is an idiocracy possible for going over the data in detail on that?

00:45:32.580 Because there, there is a, it's just like, we're cooked.

00:45:36.840 We're cooked in just a few generations.

00:45:39.400 Now there are positive upsides to this.

00:45:42.260 If you are a high agency, high intelligence human being,

00:45:46.540 who is having a lot of kids you know it makes immediate sense to well because your your kids

00:45:55.800 are going to be playing a much easier in many ways at least competitive environment than you

00:46:00.920 were playing yeah but you've also got to be aware of even if they're playing in an easier competitive

00:46:06.920 environment than you were playing in who is that competitive environment going to be dominated by

00:46:14.500 and how are you going to like how are you setting things up to work with those groups right now

00:46:21.240 this is one of the reasons why i keep being like why are you guys like the parts of the

00:46:27.040 conservative movement and this is why i think the parts of the conservative movement that have lots

00:46:30.760 of kids generally don't attempt to antagonize the jews because it's if you're thinking long

00:46:35.860 term in any sort of a context it's clear that they have in terms of the populations that have

00:46:42.040 high TFRs and a lot of technological output. They're really the only player in the game at

00:46:48.460 this point. And a high TFR among their intelligent population as well. We'll go over another set of

00:46:57.180 studies that shows that religiosity is actually correlated with eugenic breeding patterns within

00:47:04.260 populations and i have noticed this within orthodox jewish communities that you you see

00:47:12.760 this more so the the orthodox jewish community many people like well the orthodox jewish

00:47:16.340 communities will eventually choke out israel which they could they really could because some 0.96

00:47:20.920 parts of them like the satmir are just completely unproductive and they don't exhibit these breeding

00:47:26.440 patterns and if they grow at a faster pace than the other jewish populations they're like israel 0.99

00:47:34.980 really doesn't have a shot it either needs to you you need to get what's the most realistic outcome

00:47:40.880 is a group of jews that's going to have to declare bankruptcy on israel and move and create a jewish 0.99

00:47:46.720 or a charter city somewhere which it seems like israel to do i mean they did this very frequently

00:47:54.920 was like the what were they called again oh the kibbutzim yeah yeah yeah so like where they they

00:48:00.820 were like businesses and yeah and they were very effective they were they were so effective that

00:48:05.220 the main reason that they ended up failing is they became too wealthy and all of the kids wanted to

00:48:09.020 cash out so you actually can get this when you have like cultural unity and and this is again

00:48:14.820 a thing to say so suppose you go out there and you build your charter city that's along your

00:48:22.760 culture's value set, which is, I think, the way a lot of these are going to happen. People are

00:48:27.280 going to say, I have this set of values. This is going to be what this charter city is optimized

00:48:33.340 around. And people with a similar set of values will come and join my charter city.

00:48:39.780 Yeah.

00:48:40.760 Simply because you have done this, your charter city, and this is why I call this like the haven

00:48:47.100 model for where I think humanity is going, where most of the large countries are going to collapse

00:48:50.980 And we're going to have a few centers of like techno fiefdoms of incredible wealth and stability.

00:48:56.260 Even if you have, say, a Catholic charter city and you have a techno Puritan charter city and you have a libertarian utopian charter city or something like that.

00:49:07.020 You have a communist charter city. You have an Islamist charter city. 0.96

00:49:09.940 right you need to be open to and already setting the cultural grounds for being able to work with

00:49:18.700 charter cities that have different beliefs than yours like what are the other charter cities

00:49:22.840 that you are going to network with to have enough technological capacity to eventually get off

00:49:29.620 planet and then hopefully your population can explode and take over the the you know

00:49:33.780 whoever goes what we're we're going to do when we get to space but how can you attempt that

00:49:39.940 yeah all right so now who can you ally with who can you ally with one thing that i have noted in

00:49:47.940 the past but i also want to note that this actually isn't as important as i pointed it out to be in

00:49:53.360 the past is do does the group have an eventual mandate to eradicate you and i would i would now

00:50:02.200 divide this into two subcategories do they have a current mandate to eradicate you and do they have

00:50:07.940 an eventual mandate to eradicate you. If a group has a current mandate to eradicate you, like if

00:50:13.760 they're coming in and being like, yes, I am migrating to your culture to destroy the things 1.00

00:50:19.820 that your culture values, to implement this alternate system of laws. And no, to them,

00:50:26.320 this seems personally reasonable. The urban monoculture has told them, well, democracy means

00:50:31.280 whatever is the mainstream opinion is what gets implemented. And they're like, well, so when the

00:50:37.640 majority of Canada is Muslim shouldn't Sharia law be in place you you've told me that's why we have 1.00

00:50:43.220 to live under your laws you know why shouldn't you have to live under our laws when we're the 0.57

00:50:47.720 majority right what would happen to a gay couple in Gaza executed according to Islamic law Islam

00:50:54.120 doesn't endorse gays Islam doesn't endorse homosexuality just like Canada doesn't endorse

00:50:58.780 a lot of things so would you like to see Sharia law in Canada replace Canadian law at some point

00:51:03.740 it will you know because we are we have families we are making babies you're not your population

00:51:08.640 is going down the slump right and by 2060 according to Pew Research Institute your research

00:51:14.760 by 2060 Muslims will be the biggest religious group the world over what are you going to do

00:51:20.340 then actually go post sharia is even that well you know what I'm very appreciative of the honesty

00:51:26.580 we don't usually get that one day we can have a Muslim majority nation here in Canada right in

00:51:31.380 but the truth is that's not actually canada's value system like canada's value system isn't

00:51:36.920 actually sharia law they don't actually want to stone gay people and force a graped child to marry 0.85

00:51:43.240 her assaulter they don't they don't they're not down with that stuff right and they you you you

00:51:49.360 even see this from you know the interactions like there's a famous scary interaction in canada where

00:51:54.880 a woman gets in a cab and the guy was like wow you're really pretty if it was my country i'd

00:51:59.500 kidnap you and she's like uh-huh and he's like no i'm just giving you a compliment she's like

00:52:04.720 that's just the way things are done where i'm from like not like i'm not gonna do it here but

00:52:08.520 like you gotta understand we just kidnap women if they're pretty you know force it great them 1.00

00:52:12.900 and force them to marry us that's the way the law works right so disturbing yeah i remember that clip

00:52:18.480 well if you was born in pakistan originally from pakistan you must have been kidnapped by 0.91

00:52:24.600 have been kidnapped by you? Of course.

00:52:26.920 Because there is no option to get you, right?

00:52:29.380 Okay. You have

00:52:30.660 your women over there, though. Seriously? 1.00

00:52:33.120 So you're in Canada, so I cannot save 0.90

00:52:34.660 you anything. Okay. I cannot touch you

00:52:36.620 anything. It is Canada. Yeah, well, yeah,

00:52:38.600 definitely you couldn't touch me. There's laws

00:52:40.520 for this shit here. You know what I mean? 1.00

00:52:42.420 That's not that flattering. That's kind of scary.

00:52:44.380 Trust me. Because, like,

00:52:46.400 there was no option. Okay.

00:52:48.620 Well, you have a good night. You too. Thank you.

00:52:50.200 Bye. Bye, Shabba Boom Boom. What I will say,

00:52:52.600 though, is, you know, you can

00:52:54.360 fault groups for many things the one thing you can't fault muslims for is honesty they signal

00:53:02.180 loudly what they plan to do and what the west will be like when they are the majority

00:53:10.100 and i have to admire that because i don't think i don't think i would do that or if people from

00:53:18.220 my cultural group did that if they say i want to make your country and and and value system

00:53:28.560 actively i want to destroy it and make it something that it's not right now or not in

00:53:33.660 alignment with your values and they're actively working towards that i here's the problem with

00:53:41.920 this many catholic groups are doing that and yet we basically have to ally with it

00:53:46.880 because they are actively working toward things like ivf bands so i think you need to say if

00:53:56.920 they're working towards that and they seem to have credible cultural tailwinds right like

00:54:04.220 if they got to a point where it looked like they were going to be able to enact the things that

00:54:11.040 just made it impossible for us to have children or something like that um then we reach a point

00:54:16.200 i remember one person was like you guys act like infertility isn't something that can be solved in

00:54:21.280 any other way you know and it's like some forms of infertility can't like yeah i mean what do you

00:54:27.940 think we did before we had to turn to ivy because you know yeah how many giant needles how many 0.83

00:54:34.640 experimental surgeries and procedures and diets well no but before that yeah it was it was changing

00:54:41.500 diet it was changing the lifestyle it was changing like thyroid stuff it was you know it just

00:54:49.260 you can only do so much you know right i love that i appreciate that people want to address

00:54:57.180 underlying problems with fertility before going to more extreme stuff and here's the thing

00:55:02.680 most reasonable people do so before hitting ivf because ivf is neither convenient nor affordable

00:55:10.700 and even when ivf is paid for people still really want to avoid it but in that scenario so i'm

00:55:17.900 thinking about it here in that scenario even if the catholics took over the conservative party 0.64

00:55:23.500 in the u.s and were able to implement something like an ivf ban we would just move to a charter

00:55:27.980 city and then ally ourselves still with the conservative party in the united states because

00:55:33.860 it's still a closer to an ally with us long term against the the larger and more credible threats

00:55:41.360 and so i think the real answer here is where is the aggregate credible threat right and where is

00:55:50.880 the aggregate number of allies that you can bring together that will attempt to enforce upon you

00:55:59.300 the fewest meaningful compromises in your cultural autonomy that's really what you're

00:56:07.480 looking for and that's the yeah i think i think that's that's where you have to come through is

00:56:15.540 where is the cultural aggregate alliance that's going to ask you to make the fewest compromises 0.99

00:56:22.560 and this is where i've noticed like a lot of stupidity in the existing conservative movement 0.95

00:56:28.960 Because if you go with that thesis, then a group like the Groypers or Nick Fuentes is basically just as threatening as an Islamist, right, in terms of the number of cultural compromises that they would enforce if they were able to gain power. 0.98

00:56:49.140 i mean this all just boils down to a really really simple question which is

00:56:53.260 does this person's culture long term you know if if they ruled the world would they permit you

00:57:01.440 to live as you wish to live as long as it doesn't affect them no i don't i don't agree with that

00:57:08.360 because most catholics would not allow us to live the way that we want to live and yet i do not 0.88

00:57:15.780 thing most so the people wonder why like i think this is mixed so we we have heard we have heard

00:57:22.200 from a decent number of catholic viewers who do not believe and this maybe this is not what the

00:57:31.080 vatican would say i don't know but they basically believe that it is understood that the catholic

00:57:39.340 mandate is for catholics to tend to their flock not to enforce their morality through laws 0.94

00:57:47.460 so like a nation's laws you happen to be unaware of this pope leo the ninth wrote something called

00:57:53.140 the syllabus of errors which explicitly says the catholics do have to do this they they need to 0.99

00:58:00.120 essentially create a catholic caliphate now the parts of catholic culture not everyone agrees

00:58:06.140 with pope i agree they're they're anti-vatican they're anti and so these factions make durable

00:58:12.080 long-term allies but my point is is i think that even catholic factions that hold to something like

00:58:19.180 the syllabus of errors are still allies they're they're still groups you can build temporary

00:58:27.300 alliance for okay yeah allies for now you mean in yes in this cultural moment because it's better

00:58:34.620 that you ally with them than that you lose because losing is civilizational at this point sure

00:58:41.580 and so that's what i wanted to go over is is us versus them not being able to approach this topic

00:58:50.900 with nuance is as civilizationally suicidal maybe not as but equivalently technically the long-term

00:59:00.300 implications are but are as suicidal as the karen who lets the islamists into her country who says 0.92

00:59:07.460 i want to kill grape you change your laws right that individual

00:59:12.340 is pushing for a value system that will eventually lead to the eradication of the value system that's 0.99

00:59:24.440 pushing it and the individual who says we won't ally with this group and this group and this group

00:59:30.000 and this group and this list just keeps growing right so you you get this huge purity test

00:59:35.160 they end up failing too when the group that they're defining it there it refuses to actually

00:59:41.280 follow along with this alliance anyway love you Simone I love you too and I

00:59:51.960 love that I can hear from you strategy on long-term cultural alignment because I don't

00:59:58.760 know where else that's being talked to about i mean like i don't think a preacher in a church

01:00:02.720 is going to be talking about how we should be thinking about how our culture allies with other

01:00:08.360 cultures and religions over time you know it's more like us and our kind or them and them doing

01:00:13.760 their thing it's not hey who are our best strategic partners in this and i appreciate

01:00:19.380 that you're thinking about this and well i mean you actually do what's funny is you do in in in

01:00:24.520 In Protestant churches, this is talked about a lot

01:00:28.000 back when I used to go to Protestant churches.

01:00:29.880 No, I haven't attended any actually.

01:00:33.040 So that's interesting.

01:00:34.740 How so?

01:00:35.420 Like, are they talking about like-

01:00:36.260 It's talked a lot about in regards to Jews in Israel,

01:00:38.780 but like American evangelicals,

01:00:40.560 some of them have a,

01:00:41.940 actually Shuanhead did a video about this recently.

01:00:44.460 They believe not only are they strategic allies,

01:00:46.720 but they believe that we have a religious mandate

01:00:49.380 to work-

01:00:50.980 Right, but I didn't think about that

01:00:52.360 so much as an allyship,

01:00:53.800 so much as like he using the jewish people and state as if it were like a nuclear bomb to

01:01:03.300 accelerate something like it's not about them or working with them per se it's about inflicting

01:01:09.640 them upon the timeline to make a thing no no if you listen to that was the way that i heard about

01:01:15.960 it the most but apparently there's a new stream of thought in some evangelical churches um in which

01:01:21.420 they say that people that helped the state of israel in the bible were benefited people who

01:01:26.600 attacked the state of israel in the bible were smited uh therefore we will be blessed if we 0.98

01:01:31.740 help this specifically ted cruz was saying this which to me seems pretty stupid but because you 0.85

01:01:40.380 know he is a christian right but despite that does that mean that i cannot be an ally with somebody

01:01:46.900 who's saying that obviously i can right and i think that this is something that that one of the

01:01:52.820 things that i've been more i think wrong about in the past is to be like you can't really be long

01:01:58.420 term allies with a group like the catholics because eventually they want everyone to be 1.00

01:02:02.300 catholic right and as i've thought about it i'm like well that's not really true because even if

01:02:07.240 they want something and they have a religious mandate to achieve it if it's completely unrealistic

01:02:13.140 that they ever actually achieved that because it is unrealistic with existing trends and with

01:02:18.240 existing trends especially within the vatican and their direction because now the vatican's moving

01:02:21.860 to this like kumbaya position then they're they're totally easy to ally with right like they're not

01:02:28.140 out there killing people on the streets and stuff like that right like well i mean i guess you could

01:02:32.400 argue the gangs are like the ms-16 and stuff but i don't know if they are identified as religious

01:02:39.560 are they like it has there been any any discussion of that well i mean i pointed out they are a

01:02:45.340 phenomenon of catholic immigrants always creating large organized crime the mob the mafia and ms 16 1.00

01:02:51.640 other immigrant populations are they like do they take communion do they do they attend mass like i

01:02:56.720 don't know how catholic they are that's why i'm just not so sure well they're definitely a different

01:03:01.340 breed of catholics they're nothing like our catholic viewers they're nothing like nick 1.00

01:03:06.140 fuentes but they are the result of large-scale catholic immigration if we were getting a giant

01:03:14.960 wave of you know immigrants from the netherlands they wouldn't be forming organized gangs like

01:03:20.540 this but if we were getting a large-scale immigrant wave from let's say italy yeah i'd

01:03:27.120 expect organized gangs again for example the vast majority of even conservative muslims that come to 1.00

01:03:34.300 the uk they aren't in grooming gangs they have nothing to do with grooming gangs they might be

01:03:41.640 perfectly nice people they may not grape children and and this is absolutely true i said this is

01:03:48.400 true for a vast majority of most immigrant groups whether they're catholic or muslim or anything

01:03:53.240 like that that doesn't mean that you cannot expect specific behavioral patterns once you allow

01:04:00.300 enough in based on their culture and that culture's history and beliefs. And this is the thing with

01:04:08.660 Catholics. You let in enough Catholics, you have major organized crime problems. This is just 1.00

01:04:13.180 a historical truth. You let in and the Catholics who complain about this, but then also worry about 0.53

01:04:20.460 Muslim immigration or something like that should understand that this is how the mainstream Muslim

01:04:25.620 immigrant feels when they're talking about them because they're not out there doing this stuff

01:04:31.180 but we've got to be aware that it doesn't matter that 95 of these skittles aren't poisoned you

01:04:41.040 still don't dip your hand in the bowl and a catholic might say oh well okay yeah the minority 0.97

01:04:47.500 of muslim immigrants are into grooming gangs and actually end up you know graping a child and the 0.99

01:04:54.300 minority of Catholics actually end up starting gangs and doing organized crime. And I should 1.00

01:05:01.540 note here, when I talk about the organized crime that the Catholic gangs do, it's not like normal 1.00

01:05:07.540 organized crime. It's not the organized crime that we've seen from any other group of the United

01:05:12.880 States. It's literally the most brutal organized crime gangs, like melting people alive in acid

01:05:19.800 type stuff that we have ever seen as a country and it consistently happens every time we have 0.98

01:05:25.940 a large catholic immigration wave however look look at this huge chunk of muslims that want to 1.00

01:05:32.100 enact sharia law and i think that this is because they so normalized to the things they want to

01:05:37.840 enact like ivf bans that they don't understand that to many people like to me i would literally

01:05:45.780 probably 20 times rather live in a country with sharia law but allowed genetic engineering 0.90

01:05:52.320 and allowed ivf than live under a country where those things are banned and yet the majority of

01:05:59.240 catholics would want those things banned so i don't think that they see how antithetical

01:06:04.500 culturally some of the things that they want are to some of the things that other groups within the

01:06:10.380 u.s population would want this is why i often say i'm really quite ambivalent about the destruction

01:06:15.160 of the culture in a place like you know italy or spain or germany where you have these strict

01:06:21.740 bans on genetic engineering and ivf because okay sharia law gets enabled now all i need to do is

01:06:28.640 pay slightly higher taxes and protect my own against a more aggressive surrounding population

01:06:34.260 which i'm more confident i can do than do the science that i believe is culturally mandated of

01:06:41.200 me by my family's religion under the existing laws that were motivated by a large population

01:06:48.780 of Catholics.

01:06:49.880 And you might say, oh, Malcolm, you'd rather live in a country where people are abducted

01:06:55.200 off the street and forced to marry people than a country where there's IVF and genetic 0.86

01:07:00.780 engineering.

01:07:01.720 And I'm like, I mean, obviously, right?

01:07:03.620 Because when you talk about people being abducted off the street, I'm like, I can defend against

01:07:07.840 that.

01:07:08.180 when you talk about not allowing genetic engineering or ivf you're talking about my

01:07:13.260 children's lives like my future children's lives every child who i hug not just my children my

01:07:19.420 grandchildren my great-grandchildren every kiss i get every hug i get that's the banning of that

01:07:26.240 that's the banning of my family's future yeah obviously i'm going to care more about that

01:07:31.900 like if my family lived in italy my children wouldn't exist like do you understand how

01:07:39.820 horrifying that is to me my children legally wouldn't be allowed to have come into existence

01:07:45.760 like with the restrictions they had maybe i could have had one or two but many of the kids that i

01:07:52.280 play with every day and and many families are actively being denied their children by these

01:07:59.020 laws the reason i mentioned this is this might be able to give you more empathy for the muslim

01:08:05.880 situation where the vast majority of muslims are like look at the quran that i have studied all my

01:08:11.640 life look at my family that i've been with all my life like this stuff that we're seeing from

01:08:17.400 some members of our community is not what my religion is about and then you point out yeah

01:08:25.000 but statistically this is what happens right and when you can see this in another population that

01:08:30.500 you might not have the same biases around like a catholic population you can be like okay so this

01:08:37.060 is how i make these larger scale decisions even if i have friends within this community even if i

01:08:43.360 know people within this community i like and as a caveat here i mean obviously things can change

01:08:47.960 right like the muslim population has changed dramatically over the ages and i think muslim

01:08:54.300 migration historically may not have meant the same thing as muslim migration today and there

01:08:59.940 may be a subpopulation of catholics that changes the catholic majority to not believing things

01:09:06.520 like life begins at conception i mean it's going to be hard but they might be able to get them to

01:09:12.220 do that to not have theology of the body but i i think that they may not in their heads because

01:09:18.980 they're so used to it they may not hear when they say something like life begins at conception that

01:09:23.340 they're saying i want to eradicate your future children but that's functionally what it means

01:09:29.000 for a family like ours and so i mean you've got to be aware this is the other thing is you have

01:09:33.780 to be aware of how cultures act at scale and a lot of people think about how cultures act

01:09:39.080 minutely like i have a friend who's x without looking at well yeah but then what happens if

01:09:47.220 you get x many in a region right like how do we relate to that you having a krogan squad mate that 1.00

01:09:54.880 you like should not affect your moral choice around the krogan's more broadly and if it does

01:10:01.420 you are massively morally compromised and i think i might want to do a follow-up episode where i

01:10:06.960 talk about what does the conservatism of tomorrow actually look like hmm so yeah i'm fired up let's

01:10:15.700 record that now oh i was excited about the other one okay we can do the other one and i'll do that

01:10:24.020 later okay good well i love you love you too i do love that some of our fans were like

01:10:35.180 with the with the episode about carl young that they were like you're too materialist about this

01:10:41.560 and they thought that the urban monoculture was materialist which is interesting because

01:10:46.660 from my protect perspective because i am a strict materialist the urban monoculture comes off as

01:10:51.760 incredibly woo and incredibly anti-materialism like it doesn't believe that genes exist it

01:10:57.500 doesn't believe in science it doesn't believe exactly in you know space travel and and yet

01:11:03.560 from a lot of religious perspectives the urban monoculture comes across as more materialist

01:11:08.780 than their mainstream perspective um you might see this in some catholic groups for example or

01:11:13.360 some jewish communities oh i didn't think about it that way that's interesting yeah so they're

01:11:17.920 it's it's it's they're not wrong from their perspective that there are more right like

01:11:24.460 mystical traditions yeah the urban monoculture is more materialist than their culture and i

01:11:31.160 actually wow that's a whole thing to dig into because that's like a really deep how like

01:11:36.100 materialism yeah which we're kind of going to dive into on this video so i might just get started

01:11:42.540 here because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of like who we are or what our agenda is or what

01:11:50.200 our long-term goals are and the urban monoculture is obviously a major threat to many of our goals

01:11:57.280 but the groups that we can ally with to achieve those goals

01:12:03.140 are not always determined by how similar those groups are to us

01:12:09.920 e.g. I might find I'll just get into this in the episode because this actually makes a lot of the

01:12:17.360 points in the episode that we're going to be getting into any fun thoughts today Simone

01:12:21.700 not that i can share on the podcast but i'll share with you after yeah well that sounds good

01:12:32.600 something positive it sounds like happened um what i can okay so what someone that has

01:12:39.740 interviewed us and covered a movement i think like pretty well who's a pretty good

01:12:46.580 investigative style journalist is considering doing a piece on nick fuentes and i really want

01:12:53.820 this person to do it because i really want someone to look into a bunch of things related to him like

01:12:59.120 there's so many mysteries with him like does he really believe this who like what's going on here

01:13:05.340 what's what's buoying all of his extra attention you know what are the different factions that

01:13:11.220 really well if you if you look at his statistics i've seen some statistics it seemed to show

01:13:16.000 something like 96 percent of his views are fake right yeah there's some some stuff there and then

01:13:21.760 a lot of people in our audience for example oh hold on it's our kid's doctor office calling

01:13:26.640 but also a lot of people in our audience watch him and clearly like him i mean enough people in

01:13:34.320 our audience do that it makes but they don't like they're not like they don't believe in him

01:13:38.620 so like what percentage of his audience believes what he's saying versus is watching it because

01:13:43.680 it's entertaining or because it's entertaining and happy which is rare these days and yeah

01:13:49.840 yeah there's just like i want to figure that out like what's like why can't you just smile when

01:13:54.960 you're on air why can't you be happy i just want to see someone who's happy that's what i like

01:14:00.640 about hudson or yeah yeah that that does that does totally okay so what is in there titan

01:14:07.180 Okay, what's it called?

01:14:15.300 Why are you attacking?

01:14:29.840 Guys, guys.

01:14:32.400 Stop.

01:14:33.800 Stop.

01:14:35.140 Jesus.

01:14:37.180 No, don't help them attack.

01:14:40.120 Get off.

01:14:42.900 Only when I get the phone.

01:14:48.480 Do what?

01:14:51.220 Yes, I got the phone.

01:14:54.600 I got the phone.

01:14:58.580 Now I got the phone.

01:14:59.960 Now what are you guys doing?

01:15:01.540 Are you guys going to...

01:15:02.900 Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. 1.00

01:15:07.180 Ow, ow, ow, ow, that hurts.

01:15:08.680 Ow. 0.99

01:15:11.860 I'm going to stomp on you. 0.98

01:15:13.720 Stop. 0.98

01:15:14.620 OK.

01:15:28.460 Are you rescuing me?

01:15:32.340 Ah, there we go.

01:15:33.940 Hey yo! 0.85

01:15:35.940 I am helping you attack a tango's eye! 1.00

01:15:41.940 Cut him off the way! 0.98

01:15:43.940 Hee hee hee!

01:15:45.940 Hee hee!

01:15:47.940 I'm a dog!

01:15:49.940 Ha ha ha!

01:15:51.940 Ha ha ha!

01:15:53.940 Ha ha ha!

01:15:55.940 Oh! 0.88

01:15:57.940 Smack your card's arm!

01:15:59.940 Smack your card's arm! 0.63

01:16:01.940 It seems ugly, but done, done completed.

01:16:09.940 More done completed.

01:16:12.940 Oh no, no!

01:16:15.940 Daddy, I'm gonna help you!

01:16:18.940 Okay, I'm helping Tyson because she's on Team Daddy.

01:16:21.940 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:16:27.940 That was leading a dinosaur now.

01:16:30.940 Oh, I'm going to...

01:16:32.320 Don't do that, Octavian, okay? 0.89

01:16:36.920 Do you understand?

01:16:42.900 Hey, no, Josie.

01:16:44.480 Josie, hold the railing. 0.99

01:16:46.280 Be very careful.

01:16:47.200 Don't go up and down the stairs like this.

01:16:52.160 Be very careful on this stairwell, okay?

01:16:56.400 Are you going to bring those to the chickens?

Based Camp - March 31, 2026

Us Vs Them： But Who is ＂Them＂？ (The Insanity of a Genophage Cure)

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