Viral Trend of Taking Tylenol While Pregnant： They Hate Us More Than They Love Their Children
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Summary
In this episode, Simone and I discuss the controversy surrounding tylenol and pseudaminophen use in pregnancy and birth, and the reaction from the left to it. We discuss whether or not it's safe to use tylenols in pregnancy, and what the evidence is on the link between it and autism in pregnancy.
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hello simone i am excited to be here with you today today we are going to be going over something
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that i have found really fascinating which is both rfk saying that you know tylenol and
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pseudaminophen could lead to autism or other birth complications and then more interesting
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the left's reaction to it for me where there have been viral trends of women just taking lots of
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tylenol i can't even like tiktok and there was one report of a death from this and we'll get over
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whether that report is likely accurate um not i think it's plausibly accurate i think over 50 chance
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that it's accurate and i mean a lot of people overdose on tylenol all the time anyway so yeah
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yeah well you don't know when you're trying to get like tiktok points or something like that
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i mean these other women who are doing this and there have been thousands of videos of women doing
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this that are getting millions of views right i hope they're just drinking something fake out of
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tylenol bottles or or taking fake pills well they're yeah i hope they're taking you know
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i got a call very frantic call at four o'clock in the morning from a husband whose wife is now dying
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of liver failure on a ventilator in an icu um because she was trying to prove that tylenol doesn't cause
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autism because of um what trump said on the news mind you that's a harvard study now whether or not
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you believe the harvard study or not is not not the issue here the issue is that she's somewhere
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between 23 to 25 weeks and she overdosed on tylenol and she's going to die she's not going to come off
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that ventilator people are are just taking massive amounts of tylenol to prove prove trump wrong
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i mean weren't these the same people who put harvard and fauci and the pillars of science
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28 weeks pregnant you know what i'm going to take
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some Tylenol let's eat a minute then it's going to work like a charm and my baby won't have autism
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how dumb are they yeah that you hate a president enough to risk the health of your unborn child
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and where the hell are the men who made him pregnant because i'm telling you i would have an issue this is
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not new the warning not to take acetaminophen during pregnancy is not new it is well and we'll get into
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this for people who don't know tylenol is by like let's ignore the gfk let's ignore the new studies
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that we're going to go into um it was considered to be the safest pain reliever when you're pregnant
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but not safe for pregnancy it was the safest option when you needed an option yeah and to be
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clear in multiple pregnancies we have used tylenol and that is because you have to balance risks so if
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you have a really high fever and you have for example a first trimester baby you you risk giving
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that baby neural tube defects if they are exposed to a high fever so for the baby we just had who's
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now in the nicu and was otherwise very healthy he basically sustained an injury while being born
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so nothing inherently wrong with him i had a very high fever moments after the embryo was transferred and
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then like one week after when neural tube development began i was definitely on tylenol
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like yeah and everyone was like aware of is is cost benefit trade off with this stuff because we're
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also going to go over in this even if rfk is right about everything he's saying what is the actual risk
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of one of the complications from tylenol and it's still fairly low uh it's like a one to two percent
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increase in in probability and this is base probability not you know if the original risk
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was one percent and now the new risk is two percent you could say well it increased by a hundred percent
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or it increased by one doubled your risk which sounds so scary yeah yeah and and but the sorry the
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point i was going to make here is it's as if these people hate like our political side more than they
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love their children that they would just decide to risk their and when i say risks their child
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tylenol itself said in tweets in multiple tweets that will go over do not take this when you're
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pregnant it has not been approved for use in pregnancy and it may have negative consequences
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um when people asked if they could so like this is mainstream the company itself saying don't do this
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everyone should know that you can't just take infinite tylenol but i think these people are
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just like my side says trump is bad for saying x therefore i don't need to like like do they not even
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research did they not even google before they just start taking a ton of tylenol when they're visibly
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pregnant i mean it reminds me of in in scotland i heard one of the report from my friend of a girl
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who he knew from like inner city glasgow because that's where he grew up where she was smoking when
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she was pregnant and they were like why are you doing that and and she said she heard it made the
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the baby smaller so that giving births would hurt less so there are astonishingly stupid people out
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there well and there's the other example of i someone on on social media was complaining that they
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ordered a grocery delivery that included tylenol and the person who delivered the groceries
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substituted it for acetaminophen and was like didn't you know that trump said that tylenol isn't
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safe and they're the same thing they're the same thing yeah i know and simone has been bemoaning the
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entire time this controversy has been going how upsetting it must be to be at tylenol just because
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trump cannot pronounce acetaminophen yeah we know that's why he said tylenol because there's this
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speech apparently we're like you described it you described it to me this morning oh my it's the no you
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have to i'll try to find a clip of the press conference yeah where trump you know makes this
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big announcement about rfk's report on acetaminophen and he's like oh man i'm gonna mispronounce this
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and he tries to say the word acetaminophen and butchers it multiple times and and kennedy rfk
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is just standing right behind him the whole time with this pain look on his face and you know his voice
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is super screwed up so he's saying acetaminophen acetaminophen and he's like obviously trump is
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not hearing it you can see his his lips moving and he's trying to tell trump obviously trump didn't
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listen to the white stripes and did they talk about acetaminophen yeah there's this that you know you
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have no taste in medicine acetaminophen first effective immediately the fda will be notifying
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physicians at the use of acetaminophen well let's see how we say that acetaminophen acetaminophen is
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that okay which is basically commonly known as tylenol during pregnancy can be associated
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with a very increased risk of autism so taking tylenol is not good all right i'll say it it's not good
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for this reason they are strongly recommending that women limit tylenol use during pregnancy unless
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medically necessary that's for instance in cases of high fever well so the
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the the great thing here about all of this and and i will know when people are like like what are
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your guys deeper thoughts before i get into this simone you believe that there actually aren't
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particularly like you think that rfk messed up the studies that he was citing i think that maybe you
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were told this by a progressive journalist without actually looking into the volume of studies that he
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was citing okay so i i think he is likely accurate that there there probably is some complication there
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really my understanding is that this is one of those issues where he there there wasn't enough
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correction used like when you ultimately correct for a bunch of factors that you should be correcting
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for in in a study which is hard it's a very nuanced thing right but that's you sort of have the
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impression that this was like one study of like 20 000 people yeah when it was like eight studies of
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like 80 000 to 200 000 people each done by different teams that all came to around the same result
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so i i want to be clear here you had the impression like it was like one study that made a mistake and
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i think one study might have made a mistake i mean the left has to react reactively to everything like
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this um i think the wider problem around autism is simone's diagnosis autism our kids are diagnosed
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with autism it's genetic also it's a bunch of different things my mom had a view of autism that
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is not dissimilar from rfk she's like you know she won't be able to love you or the children
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and when one of our kids was diagnosed with autism she was like well you know that's it for his life
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you know at rfk i'll say all these things like you know when people with who have autism their lives
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are ruined meanwhile you know elon has been diagnosed with autism because he's diagnosed
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with asperger's and asperger's is no longer a separate diagnosis so he would be technically
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autistic and so we need to i think realistically as a society break apart autism into multiple diagnoses
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again it is really really stupid to have it listed as one diagnosis when one person is like elon or my
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wife and then another person uh can't use the bathroom on their own like why are we calling
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these the same thing it's it's it's not even like degrees and the reason why the wokies and the woke
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departments cannot do this is because then all of the people who are using this to try to claim like
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disability points and which which they need for their social games right like anyone could just
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self-id as autistic which they do you know the internet right and then the people who actually
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have challenges because of this they they point to them as if they're in the same kind of disabled camp
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as the actually severely disabled person and the mere fact and i actually think it's really sick and
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psychotic that people do this because you will see like far lefties online like literally be like
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how dare rfk say he wants to reduce autism rates this is a genocide against my people this is my
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people being erased and and and so no research should be done into reducing autism when i'm like
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you understand that like this is a diagnosis that's also being applied to people who can barely function
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in society yeah who will forever be in diapers and need full-time round-the-clock care who will never
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be able to get a job will never be able to do anything independently or huge risks to themselves
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and yeah like how how dare you say that those people that we shouldn't try to reduce whatever
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is causing that just so you can claim your disability points and that rfk is coming to genocide you
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yeah and i think that there there are some conditions that are diagnosed as autism that are downstream of
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just other things like there's this new medication that a lot of people are talking about
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which is meant to treat i think maybe like a thyroid imbalance or something like that that really does
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seem to effectively treat it at least in in the research it's been focused on children but adults
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have also reported big changes in like their language processing ability and that's getting grouped in
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and and those people want this treatment because it makes them like they they can be more functional
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as people and so there's all these things that like sensitivities to stuff imbalances to things
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all the and it's somebody who is autistic wife autistic kids right if you use the fact that you are
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autistic to try to prevent other people especially if you are not low-functioning autistic to try to
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prevent other people for coming up with cures or preventing that you are an actual psychopath
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well people should have the right to try to avoid or lean into certain traits that they want you
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know you shouldn't force people right right right that's not what i'm talking about here when you
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see somebody online being like how dare they attempt to reduce this how dare they work on cures for this
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when you are not actually dealing with the negative consequences that they are trying oh yeah yeah yeah
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you are basically sacrificing those people and those future people for your chance to sort of
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emotionally masturbate online and one our audience needs to call these people out when they do this
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like people need to stop feeling okay doing this yeah people need to stop feeling okay like this is
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how we got to this place in society is that people would do stuff like this and we just like roll our
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eyes and we need to be like you are an actual psychopath that you would throw low functioning autistic
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people under the bus like this yeah just so you can feel good about yourself um but anyway i wanted to go
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into the woman he's he's back on screen by the way uh maybe nicky cam we just had maximally autistic we
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we you know did all of the all the right back off screen needed to ensure maximum autism in this one
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text the autistic that's his middle name the autistic it's actually demyason from the the culture series
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by ian bigman but anyway the woman who who potentially killed herself where does this report come from
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yeah what happened well first what did she do she did a video where she did a bunch of tylenol to
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try to show that it's not risky at all while she was pregnant no oh oh i told you thousands of women
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are doing these videos this is a viral trend then it's not just her she's putting at risk oh that's
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dude like yeah everyone knows in pregnancy like you can't take anything you can't take anything you can't
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drink chamomile tea i mean come on these people hate you more than they love their children that's
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that's just the end of it okay they they they their children they're just having them to extend this
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life i guess this this this hypothesis of happiness that they are living that clearly isn't giving them
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what they want so by the way simone i just finished this off let's try to remember to not throw these
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away and wash them out because i think they'd make really good bonkers for the kids um okay i'll
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let me wash them out with soap though you don't want them to like yeah they've got a sort of club
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shape to them i can put them in a break balloon or something yeah they're gonna play with we've been
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looking for some like good toy swords for our kids and yeah this this would be a great one they're
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good clubs yeah gotta gotta look for that in the future the the good bonker trying to find some
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way for them to decorate them or something yeah but anyway it was a video posted by nicole sir tech
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who is the executive director of american frontline nurses now the reason why a lot of progressives
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disbelieved it is she was flagged with covid misinformation specifically she was one of the
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people who said that these shots might be killing some people which we basically now know that some of
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the early shots were causing the type of blood clot in some individuals basically okay so the story
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here are behind the scenes information on this is that when the shots were approved they were approved
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for intramuscular injection only and that that required a special type of trained nurse and so
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it would have made it harder for them to be deployed at the rate that they needed to be deployed at
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and so when they accidentally did go intravenally which i think happens like one of like five percent of
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the time or like three percent of the time it would form a blood clot which could cause heart heart
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issues yeah and like when you do an intramuscular shot what you're supposed to do is pull out the
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plunger a little bit to see if you pull any blood if you do then you need to start that hard to train
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people they just basically just it just takes a lot and i mean but it's also like more disturbing
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for the actual recipient so i could see like from an optic standpoint is that she wasn't wrong about
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this but you know she broke a progressive like mainstream thing and so they're like oh now you
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can't trust anything she says but anyway she claimed that she received a frantic 4am call from
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an anonymous husband's who's 23 to 25 week pregnant had overdosed on an entire bottle of tylenol
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after seeing tump's announcement in tiktok trends surtech said the woman was now on liver failure and a
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ventilator and there was little chance of survival for her and her baby and people have said well why can't
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you get a camera crew on this woman if this is real and she is and basically the answer is if
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you're not retarded is this woman clearly does not like trump right she doesn't want the fact that she
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screwed up and likely is going to die and her baby died to be a right-wing talking point very obviously
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she isn't going to consent to being on camera about this you could say why wouldn't the hospital consent
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to this you think a hospital is going to throw one of its patients under the bus like that
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like are you out of your mind there if if this is a real thing you wouldn't be able to easily
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confirm it and this lady is not on record having lied before and she runs a major nurses organization
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she's not like a a nobody out there right so yeah i i think it's very plausible what she's saying
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especially when i look at these tiktok trends videos and i'm like that looks like a potentially
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lethal amount that you're taking there like somebody has explained to you that tylenol isn't
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a a no side effects medication right like i just don't think they're aware of this so to get to
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the thing i was talking about the twitter from tylenol the at tylenol brand wrote we don't
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actually recommend using any of our products while pregnant thank you for taking time to voice your
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concerns they deleted that post by the way they got freaked out because it's gone viral recently
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and another post at tylenol said congrats on your upcoming edition exclamation mark so exciting
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exclamation mark it would be great to touch base real quick since we haven't tested tylenol to be
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used during pregnancy call us when you can in quote then in another one on addressing pregnancy pains
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at tylenol said we're sorry to hear that it hasn't helped your pregnancy plans exclamation mark
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please be sure to talk to your doctor for alternative pain relief options so basically
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and multiple things tylenol was saying hey you shouldn't be doing this yeah and just for pain i
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mean yeah you undergo so much pain during pregnancy when you tough it out simone you are it's better
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yeah i mean like i don't know i i think that medications should only be taken to protect the
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baby when you're pregnant you get thrown under the bus i do not care
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i i heard you can't even drink when you're pregnant anymore i actually feel like people
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are really loosening up on that they're like ah like yeah it's fine she drank during pregnancy
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your mom yeah half a bottle of wine a day half a bottle of wine a day so she drank and everyone's
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like wait you don't have fetal alcohol syndrome you can tell like you know gretz hornberg has fetal
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alcohol syndrome it's pretty easy to tell when you're looking at somebody and people can be like why
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aren't you and i was like do you know how much alcohol i drink like my family is like immune
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not even immune it's like you need it like bender leave me alone look at that five o'clock rust
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you've been up all night not drinking haven't you hey what i don't do is none of your business
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please bender have some malt liquor if not for yourself then for the people who love you
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wait i want you to look me in the eye and promise you won't get behind the wheel without
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some kind of alcoholic beverage in your hand i promise nothing
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it's yeah it's a necessary part of your diet without people are like malcolm you're really
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smart i'm like imagine how smart i would be if i wasn't born you know soaked in and half a bottle
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but let's go into these studies because i think that you might have a misunderstanding of why
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he made this decision okay where did you get this understanding that you have by the way was it on
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blocked and reported that no i asked i asked perplexity no but i mean that you know like it's
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dealing with source data that has skew so yeah yeah and i'm asking croc so right like we're
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getting it both rad well there you go so nurses in health study 2 2019 among 29 000 mother-child
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pairs prenatal asinaminophen exposure was linked to 20 to 30 percent higher risk of
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autism or adhd in children the adjusted odds ratio is 1.2 to 1.3 longer exposure duration correlated
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with greater risk now i'll note here before we go to the next study that was a 29 000 mother-child
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pair thing and it didn't just show greater risk it showed the more you took the greater the risk was
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yeah but i thought that what there was was a correlation between people who were autistic
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themselves taking more tylenol when pregnant okay maybe but i i just can't believe that that wasn't
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tested for in a single one of these studies we're gonna go to the next study okay um next study boston
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birth core host in 2500 urban mother child pairs diverse low income prolonged exposure over 28 days
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associated with 4x higher asd risk or autism risk now this one is interesting because this is what i
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saw when i looked into this before when you first started giving births because of course i wanted to
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know like is tylenol safe to take while you're pregnant and what i remember reading and this is what
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i've always communicated to you is that when it was found unsafe particularly in animal models you
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basically needed to be on it for very long periods of time i.e 28 days or more like you wouldn't even
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think of taking tylenol 28 days in a row while you were pregnant whereas this is where you're
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getting these these risk scenarios and and and this was what we saw in mice around risks from it
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is is normal amounts of tylenol taken for extremely long periods of time and some people just do this
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because they have daily pain and that's where i think we really do need to be looking at the risk
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from this because i i would not be at all surprised to this 4x higher rate and and i don't think you can
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get something like a 4x higher rate just from a correlation with autistic people being more likely
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to take tylenol i think maybe there's i'm going to check this too something about siblings like in in
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pregnancies that had more acetaminophen intake if you also looked at whether their siblings were
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autistic there were but then i mean presumably the mothers just have a habit of taking more yeah more
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acetaminophen however it does say that some research indicates that there is a maternal genetic
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predisposition to neural development conditions and correlating with increased pregnancy symptoms
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like autistic people as you know are more sensitive to a lot of things true and therefore may medicate
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i don't think they get you four x higher risk that's really high okay let's go to the next one here
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harvard th chan school of public health review 2025 they did an nih funded meta analysis of 46 studies
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with over 100 000 participants and they found quote-unquote consistent associations 27 studies
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showed positive links to autism adhd was higher quality ones being more likely to report risks so ones
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that were using more controls showed more risks as they recommended minimal use john hopkins university
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and that that just came out this year and used over 100 000 people john hopkins university study
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2019 meta analysis of seven studies with around 130 000 participants reported 20 to 30 increase in
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both adhd and autism and this mattered more in boys and more if it was used later in pregnancy
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later in pregnancy later in pregnancy that's interesting because normally the impression i get
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is it's this it's what you're exposing a baby to earlier in pregnancy that has more of an impact
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then we have the and note here i'm here talking about like john hopkins harvard nih this isn't like
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some crackpot like conservative whatever yeah this is like a bunch of yahoos it's not like the the actual
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thing that happened here is not that because a lot of people are like well he couldn't possibly have run
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enough studies to get this data in this amount of time this is basically something that was well and
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commonly known throughout the medical field before this but it was also known that we don't want to
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scare women about tylenol too much because we we do i'll take autism over a neural tube defect any day
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yeah any day right so that's that's the point right is they wanted to not overly freak people out so
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there wasn't some big campaign around this but i've but i've noticed that there was this like
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weird reactive thing on the left and i think it sort of came from the autism is from vaccines
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thing where any explanation for autism is taken as a sign of a conspiracy theory um anyone saying this
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is what might be causing autism rates they're just like ah that's definitionally conspiracy theory
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because we know that what causes autism is one of the things we're not allowed to talk about
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in the same way that like if we're talking about like falling fertility rates they're like oh that
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must be a great replacement theory thing that must be a conspiracy theory because we just know this
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is in the category of things we're not allowed to talk about so mount sinai study came out in 2025
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this was a cohort of a thousand mothers and it found 25 higher risk there was the international
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consensus statement in 2021 which had 91 experts from 17 countries review data and urged precautionary
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limits on acetaminophen during pregnancy due to quote-unquote emerging neurodevelopmental risks so so in
00:26:00.580
2021 like a group of experts and this was published in nature right nature reviews endocrinology um
00:26:06.660
saying the experts night the 91 experts came together and said do not take this wantonly during
00:26:14.260
pregnancy biological mechanisms review 2022 this one actually had a proposed pathway acetaminophen may
00:26:21.220
disrupt fetal brain development via glutathione depletion and prostaglandulin inhibition and hormone
00:26:28.820
interference oh well so yeah that's a lot of research from a lot of really and there's also a lot of
00:26:39.460
research that points out that endocrine disruptors in you know first trimester at the very least and
00:26:45.860
probably all trimesters it you know are really not good to be exposed to and if you're ordering takeout if
00:26:52.340
you're eating at a restaurant like your stuff is being cooked in plastic you're getting that exposure
00:26:57.220
if you're microwaving stuff in plastic you're getting exposure if you're breathing in the air
00:27:01.220
you are getting that exposure so you know like no but the point you're making and i i make this point
00:27:07.700
as well is if you watch this podcast you're going to be broadly aware of the tide studies that she's
00:27:12.580
referencing here which show that young boys who have mothers have endocrine disruptors in them
00:27:17.380
during the first trimester of pregnancy which are common in a lot of chemicals today they develop
00:27:22.180
less into fully males they show more female play behavior at the age of seven lower anagenital
00:27:27.060
distance yeah so this is a thing that is known if rfk went up there and said there's a chemical that's
00:27:36.180
you know making young boys develop more like young girls everyone would be like oh we turn into frogs gay
00:27:43.380
oh this is a conspiracy theory oh can you believe how crazy it is the next day there would be 20 things
00:27:48.740
from the left about why these studies don't have proper controls and why these studies don't have
00:27:53.620
proper women eating plastic microwaving their vegetables in plastic bags yeah you guys know this
00:28:00.340
we know this this was just a category of thing that was in certain communities was commonly known i.e. the
00:28:07.380
in nature from the big panel of international experts and rfk just basically went up and said it publicly
00:28:16.260
and the left had to have an existential freak out in the same way that and i i won't say right these
00:28:22.260
days this is more common on the left but the right used to be like this like when michelle obama
00:28:26.740
decided she was going to like plant healthy gardens um oh yeah she yeah she planted like a victory
00:28:31.940
garden at the white house yeah yeah what can i do this not gonna fit then it became cool on the
00:28:36.580
right to be like performatively unhealthy for a while and people would walk around with like the giant
00:28:41.940
like baby size then there is a horrifying 512 ounce version that they call child size how is this a
00:28:50.660
child-sized soda well it's roughly the size of a two-year-old child if the child were liquefied
00:28:56.500
we're gone yes cups of of soda drinking them just to show i'm not a cocky damn i i'm destroying my body to
00:29:06.420
show how bad they are right you know the broader thing is because people often ask what do we think
00:29:11.780
of maha what do we think of rfk it seems pretty cool is what i'd say i i don't think i think he's
00:29:17.300
like seems like a righteous dude it seems like a righteous dude yeah he jeopardizes my ability
00:29:22.340
to effectively govern this student body oh well he's very popular ed the sportos and motorheads
00:29:28.900
geeks sluts bloods waste toys dweebies dickheads they all adore him they think he's a righteous dude
00:29:39.300
he he he's not right about all the science that he does absolutely true he does make mistakes he is
00:29:46.340
not like a rationalist he's much closer to a granola mom but he doesn't attack the things that i care
00:29:54.580
about he's not out there you know complaining about gmo foods which i think are like a way
00:30:02.580
i love that we took the let's prevent the random chemicals in endorphin blocker you know and let's
00:30:10.420
let's drop the gmo and anti-nuclear stuff that was common in in the old granola communities like i
00:30:16.660
remember at sanford somebody's like you're you're they're trying to get me flyers about that and i was
00:30:22.740
like oh like no sorry i'm i'm a scientist and they're like oh well then you must be extra against
00:30:28.260
it and i was like nobody who has a deep understanding of biology is against this it's not that it cannot
00:30:35.140
cause issues right like you can't get crossbreeding with wild specimens you can't get change in wild
00:30:39.380
populations and then you know there's the the political commercial issues of like theoretically
00:30:45.380
an agricultural company that produces them suing a farmer who's growing it because he didn't pay for
00:30:50.740
the seeds right right but if you're but if you're actually aware of how much extra crop is produced
00:30:56.180
because of this well and often without the need for genuinely bad for your health pesticides yes
00:31:03.060
go into the water supply and it's not just the pesticides that you're eating these pesticides
00:31:07.780
through the rainwater go into the rivers and they just completely f up these ecosystems yeah like
00:31:13.060
if you care about environmentalism you are pro-gmo clearly if you care about like starving africans
00:31:18.260
you're pro-gmo it gets very important nutrients into regions where you can't easily otherwise get
00:31:24.500
them through like golden rice and stuff we're talking about hundreds of millions of lives are
00:31:29.220
almost certainly saved every year by the existence of gmos um like it's it's one of these things where
00:31:35.060
you just need to be sort of like comically incompetent or evil to be against it like being against
00:31:40.100
nuclear power or something like that like it's like a strict benefit thing when it's being well
00:31:45.060
maintained i mean you can say oh whatever what if it's not being then focus on maintaining it man
00:31:50.980
right like this isn't the the decommission that when they get too old right build new ones that's
00:31:56.660
what we should be doing right now but we don't have any major projects doing that and most of our
00:32:00.980
nuclear plants are over 50 years old i don't know if you knew that not not great when i think of a 50
00:32:05.940
year old person's structural state but the the the what i was gonna say was the the wider point here
00:32:13.060
i don't know when you think about it though also like appliances built 50 years ago last a lot
00:32:17.220
longer than appliances built today so but the other thing i was going to say about rfk is so
00:32:23.300
people like well so he gets some science wrong sometimes being over granola over crunchy like
00:32:28.020
is that a problem for you and i'm like as long as he doesn't touch my gmos as long as he doesn't touch
00:32:33.220
my nuclear um in the ways that he is is making these decisions like well more kids could die because
00:32:39.140
communities are going unvaccinated i think that we have treated questioning vaccines as a sacred
00:32:44.420
cow for far too long and i think we as a society need to go back look at various vaccines and be
00:32:51.700
open to saying that they may not be safe in some circumstances and what cremeu has argued on x which
00:32:57.300
i think is both very brutal but also fair in like a in a world in which we respect people's cultural
00:33:05.620
autonomy is the highest rates of vaccination happened after big death scares after people
00:33:11.460
realized this is what happens if you don't vaccinate if we don't have herd immunity and then people went
00:33:17.140
out in droves like forcing people to get vaccinations is not the way people need to do it because they see
00:33:22.340
the value they themselves have been convinced and you know they they do it on another episode there's
00:33:28.660
been studies done post covet on like masks for example and we now know that masks in the regions that
00:33:34.820
were heavily masked like in the united states the states that had less mass restrictions actually
00:33:39.300
had fewer overall deaths even though it did increase casualties in the short term so the idea of
00:33:45.700
slowly building herd immunity and not having better effects in a lot of these external things is another
00:33:51.220
thing that we just haven't been studying very well this this also was true in in europe not not
00:33:56.340
smaller it was statistically no different effects there but the point being we as a society need to be
00:34:04.340
open to having conversations about this and i'm okay with rfk mostly because i like the voter base
00:34:08.500
he brings into the right like he brings in the granola moms in the soccer moms and we only have to care
00:34:16.180
and deal with like a few he's not like banning you from getting tylenol while pregnant or something
00:34:21.860
right you know maybe incorrect things being spoken about you know somebody was boomers idea of what
00:34:28.260
autism is like if you're autistic you're gonna live your entire life in diapers and be a drain on the
00:34:33.620
economy meanwhile like up on stage is elon musk like looking nervously but no but i think that
00:34:40.100
i am probably good well he left dc at the right time he hasn't he like didn't go back since yeah
00:34:46.740
well i love that what was it you you know chris chan is is very upset about asperger's people and
00:34:53.780
now that asperger's isn't around being considered autistic because he doesn't and i think rightly
00:34:58.660
he sees them as using people like him who are undergoing real and genuine challenges like the
00:35:05.060
inability to not great their mom come on i had to i had to go on that yes you did do i found out today
00:35:11.220
because we've been going through and and pushing to private on our fab.ai which is like the ai chat
00:35:16.020
engine that we built you guys try to it's like getting so much better every day i'm really proud of it
00:35:19.700
but push you know scenarios that are overly potentially like would squig people out in the
00:35:25.540
not safe for work simulator section for clarification here the only reason we can see these is because
00:35:29.940
they were set to public intentionally when they were created you can just choose to set things to private
00:35:35.220
by default and unlike any of the other chat engines our fab.ai has local saving enabled and not
00:35:42.820
just local saving but your save games themselves not the locally saved scenarios but your save games
00:35:47.220
themselves have military grade encryption on them and every time you reload it will ask you for
00:35:55.940
a word that is used to de-encrypt them and that word the reason it's asked every time is because
00:36:01.140
it's not saved on our database so even if somebody had our database and your computer without knowing
00:36:07.300
that string of text or word they couldn't unencrypt your files oh and as to why we're pushing some to
00:36:13.060
private we have some investors looking at us right now specifically made it to the next round of the
00:36:16.340
andreessen horowitz application and by pushing them to private the person who created them can still
00:36:21.540
play them but we don't have to worry about an investor getting squigged out and deciding that
00:36:25.540
they don't want to now i know a bunch of people are going to rush and try to create specifically
00:36:29.700
embarrassing stuff on there but whatever we have like an automatic generator so you don't need to
00:36:33.700
like use cinerets other field made to private and there were a lot on incest and somebody was like
00:36:39.060
is this like a power user who's making them all public or like we we on the on the dev end don't
00:36:44.740
actually like have the ability to see that because i tried to make everything super anonymized so wait
00:36:50.260
someone's just adding a bunch of incest content yeah wincest i love it okay go whoever you are go on
00:36:58.900
whatever yeah hey we had the episode where we're like yeah cousin marriages are the best for third to
00:37:04.260
fourth but yeah third to fourth cousin right yes and and that was the episode where we had the big
00:37:08.820
reveal to me that you and i are not related i had no idea i know i know we were so sure you were so
00:37:16.580
sure that we were going to come up as cousins well i felt like third or fourth cousins yeah we look
00:37:22.660
very similar people joke all the time we have similar personalities it makes sense though like when you
00:37:26.820
look at our our what we knew about our lineages and like where our ancestors immigrated and stuff it
00:37:32.660
would it would be fairly surprising yeah they came over in very different waves from very different
00:37:39.380
groups yeah so anyway i any any final thoughts from you on this i'm i want to look more at the research
00:37:48.900
now yeah i was under the impression that it was it was totally misinterpreted so now i'm like well i
00:37:53.380
guess i need to well you know sometimes the question that i affirmed it with is is why did he believe
00:38:00.100
this like where did he get this information oh so yeah i mean that could be a little confirmation
00:38:04.100
bias-y like i mean i also asked why people don't believe it and the answers it gave for why they
00:38:09.380
didn't believe it were so bad confounding factors in studies women take tylenol for things like
00:38:13.940
infections migraines hyper blah blah blah i was like that wouldn't increase the risk by that much uh that
00:38:18.980
would have a correlation to the risk but not 4x or something um inconsistent or weak evidence of the 46
00:38:24.980
review studies 20 show no or inverse effects but only 20 show no or inverse effects that's like
00:38:31.540
normal science when you know something is right when only 20 of the studies show no lack of causality
00:38:37.540
or proof this is just nonsense here the the experts like those at yale or pin note genetics explain 80 to
00:38:44.500
90 of the autism variants yeah but that doesn't then what about the other 10 or 20 like we still need to
00:38:49.700
talk about that and then they're like an rfk is a conspiracy theorist and then there's been statements
00:38:57.060
from who figo and european agencies which say evidence does not support causality which they
00:39:02.340
released after the rsk thing and i'm like yeah but like your top scientists were saying that it did
00:39:08.100
until rfk went out there and went on the record right like this is the thing like everybody was like
00:39:13.540
chill about this until the republican said it then they all freak out and start putting their heads in the
00:39:18.180
same is basically where we are as a society and if you're watching this and you're wondering like
00:39:22.740
where do i come down on this i think it probably does increase the risk especially if taken for
00:39:26.660
long periods like 28 days however i also think that pain management is critical in a pregnancy i don't
00:39:33.460
think so i think fever management is critical in a pregnancy and pain management i think if the
00:39:38.820
mom has too much cortisol for too long a period it can likely cause neurodevelopmental issues in the
00:39:45.140
child so there's actually some really interesting studies on this there was one study that looked at
00:39:51.140
women who gave birth during a period of famine and their children were like significantly more
00:39:57.300
likely to become obese later because basically their bodies were that has to do more with caloric
00:40:02.820
restriction right the point i'm making here is their bodies transfer information about the
00:40:09.700
environment that that baby is going to be born into to the fetus right if you are very stressed or you
00:40:17.700
believe life is very hard and there have been studies about this during like economic depressions and like
00:40:21.780
the effects it has on babies this is not good for babies it can cause like anxiety it can cause
00:40:26.820
depression in adulthood it can cause a sort of hoarding behavior and this is all like natural and
00:40:32.260
evolutionarily adaptive right so it's not even something that i would like question when i see this in
00:40:37.140
study i'm like oh yeah like that makes sense right you know and so i think that it's about using
00:40:42.900
tylenol where it's effective sorry using tylenol like
00:40:51.060
to to to some extent well understanding that you are trading one risk for another risk yeah like do you
00:40:57.540
want higher risk of neural tube defects or do you want higher risk of autism yeah you're choosing a lesser
00:41:02.900
evil and that that is the calculation to make not i'm just not going to do this and be
00:41:06.900
completely blind of the opportunity cost yes i think that's really important yeah that's it's a
00:41:15.300
much it's a much more important way of looking at or or functional way of looking at it and i think
00:41:20.740
it's also the other thing i take away at the end of this is the other side literally hates us more
00:41:25.780
than they love their own children they are willing to serving callously and casually put their children's
00:41:31.140
lives at risk because they have dehumanized the right so much that if somebody on the right says
00:41:36.740
something that was well known in the scientific community and largely accepted before this they
00:41:42.340
just have to reactively be like well then it must be wrong i i almost feel like i mean it reminds me of
00:41:47.700
the the vasectomy van that was outside the dnc you know by planned parenthood and i was like
00:41:54.420
if the right had sent a van like i want to do that i want to get like the vasectomy man sponsored by
00:42:01.780
pronatalist.org right we want americans to have more children no that doesn't mean you free vasectomies
00:42:09.860
then they'd freak out and be saying we need to ban vasectomies you know this is this is just what you do
00:42:14.260
right i suppose yeah reverse psychology in the most simplistic way possible and yet they fall for it
00:42:23.860
i would i would love like if i had like a big foundation like one of these muri or like
00:42:30.820
or if you're funded like turning points usa yeah you would you would you would ditch the the paid for
00:42:36.340
debate me bro sessions and just put out vasectomy trucks i would literally i mean literally
00:42:44.500
send a truck a vasectomy truck to the dnc and i have a very branded like american why why do it
00:42:52.980
when they're doing it and paying for it let them because of the the the one i think it would do a
00:42:58.740
good job of highlighting for people who are open to hearing our message like the actual cost of not
00:43:04.660
having kids and that we are not against dinks you can be dink that's great and then you can you can put
00:43:11.860
signs on it like you know you talk to news teams it goes you know back in the day we had to round
00:43:16.980
these types of people up these days they just march right in our van you know it i think it would
00:43:22.420
highlight for people the value of being able to reproduce and that when somebody is excited about
00:43:31.460
taking that away from you they are not a friend to people like you okay like that is why planned
00:43:37.540
parenthood opened the first place was to sterilize black communities like that was their stated
00:43:42.100
objective okay yeah it's still so hard to believe and yet there you go 89 of them are in majority
00:43:49.540
minority communities that's that's still i think that poppy i think it was like some crazy that
00:43:53.780
the u.s black population would be 40 higher if planned parenthood never existed i don't understand
00:43:58.740
i mean for right-leaning people i i think that this is a much harder pill if you're like your classic
00:44:03.140
like 90s rightist instead of like the new right that doesn't have any racism at all and you're like
00:44:07.460
actually a racist it's like abortion or racism which one am i for you know we we saw one guy who
00:44:13.700
wanted to fund planned parenthood for racist motivations and he wanted to like start a big
00:44:18.740
campaign around it and i was like i mean you can try but that that'd be another fun thing to do if
00:44:25.540
you want to end planned parenthood very easy be like start a campaign to fund planned parenthood for
00:44:31.060
explicitly racist reasons and i think really quickly that would do the news rounds people would
00:44:38.020
freak out planned parenthood would not take your money and then people would be like oh yeah abortion
00:44:44.500
when you're targeting specific demographics is really a horrifying thing not that abortion isn't
00:44:49.700
more generally a horrifying thing but you know anyway love you to death simone so glad that we were
00:44:54.260
able to welcome our kid into the world same and anybody who who wants to hey that's a bunch of money
00:44:59.780
and wants to fund a vasectomy brand van outside the dnc this next election cycle you let us know
00:45:08.740
and and we're going to be like we're here to have a conversation you don't want to have kids we don't
00:45:13.780
want you to have kids oh god love you mel put a scorecard outside the van okay okay
00:45:21.380
hitting and recording love you and set up i learned something really interesting about i guess ultimate
00:45:32.820
fighting and boxing when ultimate fighting was introduced it was seen as very savage and i don't
00:45:40.580
know inhuman because they removed boxing gloves this was bare knuckles fighting and that was seen as
00:45:46.420
i don't know more violent i guess but it actually isn't more violent and do you know why boxing
00:45:54.260
gloves were actually introduced in the first place i do not they have a higher knockout rate they enable
00:46:00.980
you to hit harder because it doesn't hurt your hand as much like you know the classic film trope where
00:46:06.420
someone punches someone else and they're like ah because it hurts and yeah when you're causing a
00:46:13.460
concussion by that is that is crazy but that's especially when when boxing gloves apparently
00:46:18.660
get wet it's they're like you're just fighting with giant rocks on your hands it's so question
00:46:24.100
so the reason why there was an economic reason to do this is with sports betting knockout rates are
00:46:29.540
really favorable you want more knockouts because more people then have something to really like a clear
00:46:34.100
thing to bet on it's too easy to tap out if you're just grappling or something like that so it was there
00:46:39.540
was a commercial reason for this one for boxing gloves to be introduced and also for more more
00:46:45.780
violence but then of course there was also a commercial reason for the ultimate fighting guy
00:46:49.620
to be like oh yeah bare knuckles it's definitely more violent fascinating yeah all right i will
00:46:57.940
get started with this by the way but what did you think of the the comments today people enjoyed it uh
00:47:03.860
i mean a lot of the the biggest criticism was asmund gold is not to the right and yeah he is a centrist
00:47:11.700
but these days if you don't tow the most extreme points at the left then you are categorized as on the
00:47:16.500
right i mean he's right is is you know jfk or whatever who we're going to be talking about rfk or you
00:47:24.900
know no come on rfk it's like a lefty by previous definitions right you know yeah a very yeah crunchy
00:47:33.220
crunchy crunchy lefty yeah even even if controversies are left-leaning like so the the right i mean if
00:47:38.820
you're using that traditional definition of the right i think i think as my gold is very
00:47:43.380
sort of like the the modern id of the right in terms yeah and i think a lot of people just haven't
00:47:47.700
recognized that the right is no longer about just pure conservatism social conservatism and religious
00:47:54.020
conservatism it is about a heterodox alliance of people who want cultural autonomy yeah which is very
00:48:02.180
very different than we're gonna force cultural where the cultural conservative types they've
00:48:07.300
actually moved to the left um because they want to do things like ban porn which requires vpn bans
00:48:11.940
which means you're basically giving the government to control what anyone says or thinks and in that
00:48:15.940
case you end up with like extreme leftist positions like we need to give the government
00:48:20.500
and bureaucrats control of what i'm allowed to see and think yeah and so i think that yeah it's just
00:48:25.860
different world that we're living in now would change through technology and social
00:48:35.060
oh yeah we should probably also let people know so we had a kid the kid is in the nicu still there was
00:48:40.740
i forget the word holes in his lungs due to aspirating or x in each lungs in each one which is
00:48:52.500
and he's probably going to be okay you know obviously we're we're praying and we're hoping
00:48:56.740
those things work out he if you if you wanted to see like a full video of like the births and the
00:49:02.580
hospital process and everything like that we put that on one of our picture on episodes it's not
00:49:06.820
because we wanted to paid sub stack episode or paid sub stack it's not that like we were trying to
00:49:12.260
hide that from our general audience i just don't think that the type of people who come for our usual
00:49:17.620
talks are going to find that interesting and so it would have hurt us in the algo so that's why we put
00:49:22.660
it was paid content and that's what often happens with the paid content yeah i would show y'all texts
00:49:26.740
on our nicu panda cam but he's being fed right now so i have to but i have him on a constant screen and
00:49:33.860
that's one thing that they don't tell you about nicu's that a lot of nicu's have a constant camera
00:49:39.300
you can have on your baby so even when you can't be with them you can still watch them oh and for those
00:49:45.060
who don't know because you didn't mention that some people were like oh if i could pay for you guys i
00:49:48.420
would well we do have episodes seven days a week it's just the weekend episodes you only get your
00:49:54.180
paid i will note the weekend episodes are are shorter and oftentimes on subjects that i think that
00:49:59.620
like honestly like when we're doing our regular episodes it's a lot of stuff that i think will do
00:50:05.220
well in the algorithm like women bad democrats silly when it's weekend episodes it's it's it's
00:50:10.180
listener requests that we agree are really interesting but that we don't that we think we'd be punished
00:50:15.140
for on youtube basically yeah so it's more like what we think is interesting and what i think our
00:50:22.180
higher economic user base is going to think is interesting so i like it i love i love the weekend
00:50:27.860
episodes but anyway i like all episodes anyone who gives us the honor of their time these days is i
00:50:34.500
mean that's the most precious thing these days it's it's a huge honor but the monetary support is
00:50:40.420
really appreciate it so thank you ben bridge is working are you gonna break his leg sosie
00:50:57.940
yes yes i did yes i did i want it off off off turn it off what about you turn it off
00:51:12.980
i know my bridge has been founded oh my it's cracked it got cracked by the giant door speed
00:51:45.420
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