VTubers Have Transformed The Right Forever (The Nerdification of The Right)
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Summary
In this episode, I discuss a phenomenon that came from a viral tweet by Asma Gold, and how it has completely changed the online conversation in the internet, and the factions that are ideologically winning was in it.
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hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about
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an interesting phenomenon that came from a viral moment that asma gold got himself into
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asma gold was i think reacting to a tweet and the tweet said something like there is no point
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to male vtubers and asma gold said this is true and then he went further which is to say
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the key benefit of vtubing for women is he said it's like this crazy hack that they found out
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where you can be a hot woman without having to be a hot woman and then he said the thing that was
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controversial but many female vtubers have reacted to this and been like but this isn't
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controversial it's just true which he said is if you look at not hot female influencers the vast
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majority of them are vtubers to the extent that almost all of them are vtubers right to be clear
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i am not saying that vtubers are predominantly unattractive i actually do not think that this
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is the case i think that they're well more attractive than the average person like the real
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people are more attractive than the average person but we lived in an era where women who were let's
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say top 25 but not top 10 of attractiveness were frozen out of being able to start to rise as
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intellectual influencers and this doesn't just have to do with genetics it was also really any
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woman who is over the age of 25 was frozen out of being able to rise as an intellectual
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influencer because men think younger women are attractive generally speaking and it's worse than
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all of that because even if a woman is in the top five percent of attractiveness but she is shy or
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she is insecure and doesn't want people criticizing her looks because that is a normal thing for
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conservatives to do to immediately go after a woman's looks if they don't like her ideas
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she would not attempt to rise and vtubers as a concept allowing this completely transformed that
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how would you know aren't most vtubers good at concealing their identity
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there's leaks all the time can you put like images on screens of like the person next to
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their vtuber persona or just give me their name so i can do it and then give it to you
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no no no no no we're not going to do that and the reason i'm not going to do that is because
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the leaks are typically unintentional and that's mean oh okay i just like like like i mean are you
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saying like non-instagram filter ugly or do you mean like well this is this is where we're getting
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to the point the point i wanted to talk about do they look like me because you know that there's
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like thought hot and then but the point i was going to make was that this phenomenon that he
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is pointing out has actually completely changed the online conversation in the internet right
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um it has changed the tone of it it has changed the factions that are ideologically winning was
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in it and i want to go into how this happened like like how things are changing because of vtubers
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and and it comes fundamentally down to asmigold's observation so to not extract too much if you go
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back and we go to the pre-vtubing days of the online right so we've got to first talk about
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a bit about the online right we have one history on how the online right evolved from edgy atheists
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which is weird but it did it originally started as the skeptic community if you go back to like
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when i was a kid right and some online youtubers like literally you see their career evolves for
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each of these phases of the online right back then it was not right leaning at all no no these people
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got tired of dunking on christians because really there weren't that much of them and the arguments
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you know they weren't as fun like the gotchas yeah it was much more fun to dunk on feminists
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right and then dunking on feminists turned into dunking on wokeness which then sorted its way
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into the the gamer gate and all of that and then the mainstream online right right now right and
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point out that this this is what makes up the new right ideologically this group is obviously going
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to crash with the legacy right because this is a community that has you know like most of our
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crusades as the movement was being radicalized into a right-wing movement were about stuff like
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de-censoring sexy female video game characters and stuff like that right like um arguing against
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bad faith against too much violence online and stuff like that which really is completely the
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opposite perspective of a lot of the legacy right which was like we need to ban rap music it's too
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violent and ban gta and and so and this is where part of the rights inversion came from but during
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this period you did not have that many female influencers within this movement um with the
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probably biggest female influencer in this movement being a socialist and here i'm speaking
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of course of shoe on head where she is often lumped in as part of this larger ideological
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movement by her detractors when she is just solidly leftist like and and really like tries
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to remind people like look i know i said this trump policy was reasonable i'm still a socialist
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i'm just trying to be saying here people like i don't a catholic socialist too she she made it
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very clear she was a practicing catholic again recently yeah she yeah she did say she's a
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practicing catholic so catholic and socialist can you get more leftist sorry i know i just
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hang her to laugh i'm joking joking for people who don't know traditionally the democratic party
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was seen as the catholic party um like come on kennedy our first catholic president yeah well
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joe biden biden catholic yeah totally and not just that but if you look at voting lines historically
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they were really tied to the percent catholic a district was even today if you look at u.s states
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and districts by percent catholic now this isn't to say that catholics overwhelmingly vote democrat
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anymore i think in the last election was the first election where they voted conservative
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overwhelmingly or not overwhelmingly by a small margin but yeah but to continue here i don't
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Don't get on too much. But the few influencers we did have in the right who were women had
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the number one hallmark of beauty, which a lot of people are like, this reminds me of a time I went
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with Simone. And she doesn't believe me because I'm like, Simone, you're actually extremely
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attractive for your age. And many of the times when you think someone is more attractive than
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you, they are just younger. And the night where I think I really broke you on this is we were at
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a club and you had to have an x on your hand if you were under drinking age um and i was like
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look around the club and find anyone you think is more attractive than you and then check if they
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have an x on their hand and so you'd look around and every single time they had an x on their hand
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like they weren't just a little bit younger than you they were significantly significantly under
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younger than you yeah there was also that time we were sharing a table at a dinner like at a
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restaurant and there were three people sitting right next to us and i thought that they were a
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group of friends and like just two less attractive ones and then one attractive woman and it just
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turned out that it was parents and their teenage daughter and i thought she was like 25 but no
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gen z looks old yeah she was like 16 years old and i thought she was like god and you know
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saying this imagine i as a guy said this about a girl i saw a girl didn't realize she was 16 and
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thought she was hot no and it's actually this is guys get in trouble for like the dumbest stuff
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you can't tell somebody's age you really just by looking at them some people kind of can there's
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there's a not to okay we're gonna get right back on track after this but there's this reality tv
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show that i think netflix recently produced where people date but they're not allowed to say how
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old they are and then they end up coupling and then they reveal their age and there are some
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people who are very easy to guess and other people where it's like nope he was 60 so yeah it's it's
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really difficult it's really that is wild okay well i think our ages are hard to guess for people
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i think a lot of our chime in in the comments chime in in the comments what's your guess
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what's your guess and then you can google it but i i i think yeah it's on our wikipedia page yeah
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probably get our ages wrong by i i they might get it from context clues because i'll talk about
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like shows from my childhood or something like that and they'll be like malcolm you're not old
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enough to have watched those shows and if you're aware that like there were online atheists for
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example i feel like that's kind of a tell oh yeah i started giving that away with that community
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that's that's quite an old community the internet skeptic community yeah seriously that that super
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ages you anyway i'm curious anyway back on track back on track yeah so women
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big community of like internet edgy kids online who would go in and like argue random questions
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but no so what this meant is that the women who rose in terms of mental space was in the
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conservative influencer scene historically have been very very young a good example of this is
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somebody like pearl davis pearl davis was i want to say like very early 20s when she started yeah
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well yeah well i mean she's been trying for a long time but yeah when she got big she started growing
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but yeah she's very very very young and and shuan had too when shuan had grew she was very young
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yeah yeah oh she must have been like she's but she's been around for a long time but like when
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she started to gain in popularity i want to say she must have been 18 19 something like that well
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and jenny nicholson was in her early 20s i think when she first started getting but jenny nicholson
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is not right-wing jenny nicholson complains oh we're talking about right-wing women oh i don't
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know but still brett cooper young yeah brett cooper was fairly young yeah that other blonde
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beth allie stuckley or whatever yeah she's all she was also the only right-wing female influencer i
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can think of who isn't young and is as big within online spaces is that one who at hereticon she
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was our she introduced us comedian yeah what's her name we're really we're so bad with names
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and she's so cool i was just watching one of her videos oh well we saw see if you can find it send
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it to me because i i like her content and i actually recommend it to people who like our
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content i think she's very similar in in theming editing length in my watch history and also she's
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someone who i wouldn't consider an exceptionally beautiful woman who has risen within no she's
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pretty no she's she's attractive she's certainly like a normal but she looks like her age she's
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25 yeah i mean like oh she probably looks younger than her age who knows how old attractive mom
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but the point i'm making here is for a long time in conservative spaces women are already
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at a lower level within conservative spaces and any woman who was one not young and keep in mind
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what young often means it means that you're often overly impressionable like you haven't had time
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to come up with your own ideas yet so you often end up parroting the ideas that you hear around
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you so like an example of this right like I really like Pearl Davis as a person I like a lot of her
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content and by what it's British it's Bridget Phetasy P-H-E-T-A-S-Y but yeah so I like I like
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Pearl Davis but I think anyone who is examining Pearl Davis's intellectual career with honesty
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would say that in the beginning of her career many of her ideas were basically the just the
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ideas that were around her in sort of like the intellectual edgy right-leaning circles
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but she was young you know this is what you expect from a guy or a girl who is at that age right but
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guys in the conservative scene have been able to become influencers at any age whereas girls we
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were selecting for only the young girls so they weren't really bringing in a unique female
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perspective to things, right? Second, they're not as intellectually developed, and they haven't had
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as much time to basically cook ideas, right? But the reality is, is that if you are online and
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watching stuff in a traditional context, guys, don't click on videos that 45-year-old women make,
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okay? You just don't. You see a 45-year-old woman most of the time, and you're just going to be
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like, probably not. Like that's, that's not like you see a hot young girl with some edgy take and
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you're like, okay, okay. Yeah. I'll, I'll see what she has to say. And so, and, and this is even
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talking about people with the genetics to look hot, right? Like not being born in the top. And
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a lot of guys know how hard this is, right? Like being looked over by such a huge percentage of
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women right but a lot of guys they're like look it's not my fault that i was born short it's not
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my fault that i was born looking like this it doesn't influence my morals it doesn't influence
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my character i mean your genes do influence all that and some of that stuff can be seen through
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sort of like phrenology and on your face and okay yes yes yes watch our episode phrenology is back
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baby but but but this is like ai's look at your face and tell your personality like incredibly
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accurately yeah well even your political leanings yeah yeah but it's not these so when i when i say
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this like it's a huge chunk like 95 of women got filtered out of the ability to intellectually
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participate or have their ideas taken seriously in the wider conservative scene yeah and then
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something happened people have been putting themselves to models for ages right but some
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geniuses had the idea of making the models that they were putting themselves to hot anime girls
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and this was really the hack that blew the doors open where now and you actually see this so if you
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would look into leading conservative intellectual influencer women i'd say most of them seem to be
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between like 32 and like 48 seems to be the age range which is a lot older than a lot of people
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think that they are right because they associate anime with youth they associate but they have
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been able to and i'll note that this is also the age of their effing audience right like kirsch's
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audience is guys in their 30s okay i i bet you anything i do not think for example kirsha has
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a giant youthful audience right and and they'll often reveal this on stream if you if you watch
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them right you know they'll call themselves like mom actually i think that this has led to it
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there's been a huge explosion in the uh attraction to older women phenomenon among like gen z like
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being into cougars and i think a lot of it comes down to them getting really into vtubers and then
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learning the vtubers real age um and many vtubers lean into this like one i watched that has like a
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cockroach girl avatar i haven't watched many i've watched like two cockroach girl or what cute cute
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yeah cute they're always cute you're you're kind of wearing a cockroach vest honestly
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just let me take those off for the love of god anyway though but she leans into the whole
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mommy thing like audiences that are i guess into that for hundreds of years young men have been
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smextually inaugurated by mature women then this is not new yeah well maybe what is new
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is i i don't ever think so many young men had parasocial and intellectually admiring
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relationships oh yeah with with older women that is yeah that is true when i grew up there were
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you you watch shows online and you might get like a bill nye like figure right but you didn't have
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an equivalent female figure right like well most older age mentorship is is same sex within
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religions and even just in mainstream culture with big brothers big sisters programs but female
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hosts who like when i was growing up they might be paired with a 30 40 year old guy but that's the
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female host was typically late 20s to early 20s and i think people didn't realize that that's what
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they were seeing um and this has a lot of effects on the entire community first effect that it has
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is that well and also i'll note here when this really exploded i think into the mainstream
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conservative scene was the anna valens controversy which we did some really interesting episodes on
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this was a woman who decided that she was going to cancel kirsha and leaflet and it blew up on
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on her and she had the most crazy life like she has a detailed sub stack about her life that we
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go over in the life of a cinebite episode and it's like wow like this is not like um
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what's going on here right but but the point being is that well hold on before i get to this
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point i do want to point out this hack of hot female avatar really opening the stage to the
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types of people who can who can influence the space arguably the number one vtuber i think
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hololive is bigger right now is neurachama and neurachama is an ai anime girl child who's run
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by a guy one of the leading female archetype vtubers in the online right space is rev says
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desu which is a guy that doesn't even use a voice changer by the way people have asked why he
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does a little vampire girl as his character he's like because that's something i like to look at
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right um yeah i like a lot of guys play female avatars and games because yeah no i want to look
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at a dude in video games like like hugely prefer to play female avatars in video games because i
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don't want to look at some burly guy for 20 hours um i find that off-putting which disturbs me about
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him so much is that his voice sounds way too much like the voice of the guy in clownfish tv and so
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i just confuse them and it simone has a yes simone has a conspiracy that clownfish tv and
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says desu is the same guy they're definitely different no i yeah i believed it for a while
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i listened enough to be like no they're slightly different but they're too close for me it just
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still throws me off now i can't listen to either of them just sad also by the way clownfish tv just
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to put a mark on another conservative influencer channel is quite interesting to me in that one
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they're one of the only other like good relationship couples i know that do channels together other
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than us too they live in pennsylvania so i would love to collab with them oh my god but they live
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near a theme park with them they live near pittsburgh so that's like on the other side of
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the moon in pennsylvania terms but the the other interesting thing is is they've sort of risen more
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recently and they represent again i think a faction of conservatism that just didn't exist
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before like they're they're new on the conservative side i don't even think that they admit that they
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are republicans yet like recently he's like well i'm not going to talk about what my politics are
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i think he'd still and they talk about seeing themselves as like hardcore democrats even if
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you go like 10 years ago right um so they definitely are part of like this this new
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uh faction but anyway i i wanted to point that out that this hack isn't just available to women
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and we don't even know how many of these vtubers are like if they haven't had an accidental face
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reveal how many of them are men using voice changers so that's also an important thing
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what about the as shiwan head puts it the blue jew nux he's not a hot anime girl
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oh he is not a hot anime girl and i don't think he needs his avatar but what i have heard is nux
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when he doesn't use his avatar is not as bold or as aggressive or as jocular you know like his
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character is like super in your face and i think that they're gonna put some character yeah like
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it's good it's necessary for him as a psychological mechanism not the audience yeah the other thing
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to note that helped women get into v-tubing is that that otherwise wouldn't that otherwise
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wouldn't have had their voices is girls are shyer than guys are on average they are more sensitive
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to public judgment and people judge girls on their looks very aggressively well and it hurts them
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more and it hurts them psychologically more yeah so even girls who otherwise would come across as
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perfectly fine right like maybe even in the top five ten percent of women right that they can
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still be filtered out because they psychologically cannot deal with the heat of being in front of
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people um leaflet probably falls into this category she's a very like if you see her streams
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she's somebody who really lets things get to her i think a lot more than like as somebody who
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considers her a friend than i would like her to right but i can see her being very sensitive
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about a bunch of people constantly judging her right and being able to put on a mask every time
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you get on screen as as mcgold said it's like makeup but like up to 11 right you know helps
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her interact with the community without needing to worry about judgment of anything other than
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her character and her ideas and that's important to note in conservative communities a woman goes
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up there and she has says some idea that's uncomfortable to you or some idea you don't
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like this may not be for you but for a chunk of the of the conservative community the initial
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reaction is to criticize her looks yeah it really is like we can say we can say all we want about
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women bad but this is something that just happens they'll criticize her looks they'll criticize who
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she slept with last they'll criticize you know like and not that somebody shouldn't be accountable
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for their sexual history but that doesn't necessarily inform their ideas right but uh
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this is something that that girl influencers get that boy influencers don't get right so it's
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another thing that was filtering them out so what has been able to happen largely because
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anna valens pushed a number of female vtubers into the cultural center of the conservative
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wing this is actually a fascinating phenomenon with the right where especially the new right
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like the internet right where we sort of determine who we trust and who we consider like okay you can
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you can influence this community by how much progressives crash out about them like scott
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alexander slate star codex becoming like a mainstream intellectual who like right-wing
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people often cite these days really that's that's weird because i don't think he considers himself
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right-leaning but the new york times crashes out about him and people are like okay okay there
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might be something to this the new york times thinks this guy is the demon okay or the the
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the kirsha leaflet etc situation i think a lot of people saw the anime vtuber conservative
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influencer types with a lot of suspicion before the crash out happened and after the crash i was
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like oh okay they're chill they're chill they angered them enough ref said desu is a bit the
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same way i mean a guy who does streams as a little anime girl people you think they'd they'd be more
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and i think at the beginning people were more suspicious about that but enough leftists have
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crashed out about him that mainstream within the at least the online right people are just like oh
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Yeah, he's a mainstream member of the community.
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I've got to be like, there's like four fox girls.
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A flaming paradox, a spectacle, likes intellectual over sexual, but we want to keep it respectable.
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I licked the flame I was given, ding, ding, ding, what does the fox say?
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Truth, the ip, yop, nothing fake, mm-kay, simple symbiosis, yeah, you know the way.
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skybrows did a new anime video called fox you or something oh my gosh i have to watch it it's one
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of my favorite songs and it's about fox girl vtubers i think because everybody who knows
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skybrow videos mostly focus on cultural uh conservative cultural influencers and the fact
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that he was able to put together an entire video just on fox girl vtubers shows how big this
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phenomenon is of conservative furry influencers i i know we can say that kirsch is not a furry
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influencer but i mean she technically is also intellectually an interesting thing about this
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community is they rarely play into a character for their v tubing what i mean by this is
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is kirsch's like when i think kirsch's character as a vtuber i think bostonian grew up lower
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middle class because of her accent that she always goes into irish is my assumption because i guess
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i'm racist against bostonians i do not think fox girl like her being a fox girl like never comes
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up in leaflet's videos for example leaflet's character is a slime girl right literally not
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even in my remotely of a chimera of a slime girl and hey so yeah fairy yeah which is to say that
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but it doesn't come up for her like when i think leaflet i think you know somebody who's very
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warm and caring and very interested in what's actually true in a way that is still sort of
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kind which is interesting that that's like her thing as a conservative influencer right
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but so the but this isn't true of like normal vtubers by the way a lot of vtubers actually
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play into their characters a lot why this didn't happen in the conservative intellectual scene
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freaking heck if i know maybe they just forgot maybe they vtube so much they forget that they're
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supposed to be doing a an in-character thing or maybe they've sort of dropped being in character
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right because the point for them is well now i can be in a world where my ideas uh really win
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on their own because you don't really win on models anymore in v-tubing you buy some big
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expensive rig that's not going to get you a lot of views it's your your ideas and your personality
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which is going to get you views yeah but what this has essentially done is introduced a female
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intellectual perspective into the generator which is the internet of emerging right-wing culture
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and it has placed a huge finger on which faction those women happen to be in of the various
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factions of the right as we pointed out there's obviously the the right's old guard there's the
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well the gripers who are really basically leftists at this point they never vote right
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but they're sort of but they're notable for a number of things right they're typically
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far more critical of israel they're far more likely to be deontologists they're far more likely
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to be pro censorship they're far more likely to not like nerdy hobbies like anime and video games
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and stuff like that and they and they are a meaningful faction of the right the griper
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adjacent right this this deontologist anti-israel anti-nerd stuff you know like your
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matt walsh would probably an example of a more mainstream one like that where he crashes out
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about stuff like anime and does he he doesn't like anime oh yeah he has multiple crash outs
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about how anime is like destroying the country and how you know like right that like what it's
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like it gives me the ick if i'm gonna be honest like you know i didn't like anime i don't need
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to like be criticizing other people he sees it as like un-american and i'm like hollywood is
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un-american anime is one of the last places where i can watch a show that's not filled with woke
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messaging some of the time right but the nature of v-tubing this is the type of girl who is open
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to presenting herself to the world as an anime girl or as a literal furry like kirsha or something
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like that right like or the other dozen conservative fox girls i can't remember there's another one i
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quite like but i can't remember her name she's the one with the she's got like a blue bow or
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something i don't know there's your white hair i want to say and these other ones they are
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intrinsically not going to be in that faction they are in the post gamer gate faction this is a
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faction that is used to fighting censorship it might be like oh furries are weird but like i'm
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not gonna like go out of my way to attack somebody for being a furry like and obviously you're not
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if you're if your core presentation to the world is as a fox girl or a slime girl you're not gonna
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go on a 10 minute rant about why everybody who watches anime is bad or why deontological value
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systems are good but i don't know why these things well actually this is actually interesting why do
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these things pair so much why is it that the deontologists pair so much with the people who
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are pro-censorship i think the answer is that they well i think censorship censorship only
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performatively addresses sin and deontologists care more about the performance of the
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this actually aligns with their views on things like race as well whereas we point out that
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they're trying to sow divisions within the republican party over things like race or
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religion are stupid because we wouldn't be able to build up enough of a base to win elections
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if we alienate those people a lot of these people want to be able to put the blame because they
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don't want to take responsibility for the community to themselves on some external groups so they
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choose some group like jews and they're like jews are the ones that are spreading all of this and
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it's like it's clearly not the case if you look at just the reality of the situation it is mostly
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white women it is white upper class women who are spreading this and who are the ringleaders of this
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it is not some external group it is coming from inside the house and they're like well if all
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white people voted like me then we could build up enough of a base and it's like yeah but the
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problem is the majority of white people are against our goals i mean this is just the reality
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of it and yet we can find hispanic people over 50 percent of hispanic men in the last election
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voted for trump we can find huge chunks of black people we can find huge chunks of jewish people
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and yes huge chunks of indian people who are interested in our goals and so if you play in
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this fantasy world where you can get all white people to agree with you sure but that's not the
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world we actually live in and we live in a world where we actually want to win elections and where
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we actually want to push back on the existential threat the urban monoculture plays and functionally
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if you are concerned about declining white populations which by the way isn't actually
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happening white people have a higher fertility rate than almost any other ethnic group when you
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control for income and so like for example the united states they have a much higher fertility
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rate than the black population but so the only way in which they're being quote-unquote outbred
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is if you go to places like africa where there's desperate poverty or someplace in the middle east
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where there's desperate poverty but even if you do conceptually care like you're like well even
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though they're have a high fertility rate i want their fertility rate to be higher i want there to
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be a higher proportion of the world's population the only way to handle that it doesn't matter
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where they live it's having kids right if we are like korea and we have virtually no immigration
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but we have an extremely low fertility rate we've done nothing like even even if all you care about
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is increasing the white population you've literally done nothing you've done nothing
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that can haven't have a chance of mattering in the long term and yet almost all of the leaders
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of this movement have no children and they often push their followers to not form relationships
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because I think they realize that white women are the source of the problem.
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And so they're like, well, of course, you want to have white kids,
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but you don't want to get in a relationship with a white woman.
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And so we'll just pretend that we're trying to actually fix things.
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And if you try to blow up coalitions where you won't even side with somebody like J.D. Vance,
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who is both Catholic and anti-Iran war, and you're just like, he's the devil,
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yet he's as close to your position as there could be a mainstream figure
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just because he's in an interracial relationship or because he's friends with gay people like
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friends with Peter Thiel well then you've created a coalition that simply cannot win elections and
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this is what we mean by it's a performative coalition not a coalition that's actually
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designed to advance the aims they from a consequentialist perspective pretend they're
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trying to advance yeah yeah this reminds me of a comment in a recent video because I was talking
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about you know how you need to learn to make yourself immune to the sirens not hide from the
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sirens because they are so ubiquitous in our environment right now the the calls to sin all
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around us um and not you know overly freak out about like this random arousal pattern or that
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random arousal pattern and somebody's like oh i don't know there's some really deranged stuff
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online and that i think malcolm's just trying to like wipe competitors out of the gene pool
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what is it like a mate blocking or something right and it's like no like i'm just being
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consequentialist the reality is is that if you get to an extent where it interferes with your life
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tripped up by the online environment of today which you know doesn't even have what your children
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will be fighting against which is you know fully lifelike animated in real time the most beautiful
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woman they've ever seen right that's reacting just to them there's no way your genes are going
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to make it for two or three more generations right like i can i can try my best like i understand
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that there's genetic variance in humanity and just because i'm not like tempted out of my mind by
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something doesn't mean that somebody else isn't um but there's just no way there's no way obviously
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the what you can do to resist this stuff is naltrexone right like naltrexone plus the
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Sinclair method with like if you are feel uh overly called to a sin to an extent that it is
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taking up all your time or destroying your life or leading you down a pathway that is like really
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messing with you naltrexone can help with that right and it's it's also got positive side effects
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too and you can get it fairly inexpensively from countries like India and stuff like this so it's
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like you know there there are alternatives but banning is is is not a very good one because
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as i've said before as soon as you ban then vpns are on the table banning vpns are on the table
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and when you ban vpns then the government controls your thought and what you can say and do and the
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uk is already seeing this you know be tabled because they allowed um these parts of their
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right to gain so much power that they were able to work with the left to ban this stuff and they're
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like oh well you know everyone can agree that any form of pornography where it looks like somebody
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being hurt should be banned and so then they ban all of that and they're just like oh uh well now
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we need to ban vpns because they don't they don't care about actual violence i mean look look at look
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at the uk right now right it's an actual hellscape right now but what this means is this like post
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gamer gate faction the nerd right is gaining disproportionate dominance because of more than
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they than they otherwise structurally would because there isn't the same outlet for the
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other side of the right to gain eyes through this hack and what's interesting is this is it's not
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like there aren't vtubers in this other side of the right one that i watch occasionally dresses
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up and he's he's not even like that he's never said anything that i disagreed with but i assume
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that he's part of the deontologist faction of the right because he dresses up as like a
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a knight with like a red cross like a crusader and he like bounces on screen he does like
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different like crusader outfits and stuff not not a full vtuber thing but uh i like his channel
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like it's important to note that there's a number of people in the more deontological faction of
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the right who i still quite like in terms of content producers and agree with another one
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would be redeemed zoomer i think is in this faction um and i quite like his content static
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in the attic he's even in the anti-israel faction right and he he produces quite good content so
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like obviously our factions can get along i think a lot of people in that faction watch
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our episodes and and get something from it but like we still realize that our goals for where
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the right is going are at odds like we're we're clearly on the same team but we have different
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visions for where we want this team to go in the long term and what sort of policy we want to see
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on the books and that the right is becoming the party of the nerd at sort of its core
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is in part driven by vtubing unlocking becoming an influencer for a very specific type of person
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and and that's the person who's done it like if you look at this is the other thing
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about the vtubers who have come onto the scene through this avenue just to highlight the two
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that Anna Valens tried to cancel Kirsha and Leaflip. Kirsha's content is some of the densest
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in like, like deepest research that you get on the right. She, I don't know if you,
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have you ever watched her content, Simone? No, not really. So she, she does like two and a half
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hours where she will take a topic and like, try to pull up all of the receipts to try to find like,
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okay where does this rope go like how how deep does uh like she's where i first learned about
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like joe money or something like that like what is all the things that john money did how did this
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get covered up how did this for people who don't know this is a guy who invented the concept of
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gender and transness more broadly in a modern context who did these horrifying experiments
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on children genuinely horrifying watch your episode if you care to learn more about that
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but like so she'll dig really deep on something like that or or look for receipts sort of like
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a nick you know this young investigative guy but like um a bit before that i mean that requires
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a nerd to be in to do it leaflet's core thing that i think that she's like most known for
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is trying to be as genuinely warm empathetic and open into whatever topic that she's covering
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and that well also not taking she doesn't fall for anything um for anything either she's she's
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open without being what's the word i'm looking like foolish about it right but it is it is a
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female perspective that she takes you could not emulate leaflet's perspective at least within
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right-wing spaces as a guy probably what you're saying is that because basically intellectually
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mature women have unlocked access to a platform online they've shifted the overton window of the
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right is that the gist of your argument well they're securing a shift in the overton window
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of the right that was already happening so much of the new right came out of because remember i
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i part of the pathway that led to it was hating on feminists is i sometimes call it like the red
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pill diaspora right like when the red pill collapsed and reddit shadow banded and everything
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like that a lot of the influencers from that space a lot of the pickup artists and stuff like that
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they went out there and they became well right-wing intellectual influencers and that
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would have pushed like there there is very little intellectual overlap between anything that
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kirscher and leaflet do with what a pickup artist influencer does right like these are two they
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wouldn't have been in that world at all they wouldn't have found that interesting they wouldn't
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have tried to be a female version of that or tried to be and yet it's the former fans of these pickup
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artist influencers who are now being influenced by pure football like Kirsha and Leaflet which
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changes the intellectual character of the modern right and what's really interesting is it does it
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in a way where you don't see as much of an equivalent on the left and the left you have a
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bunch of female and trans influencers in terms of male influencers that approach things from a
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masculine perspective the only one i can think of is hassan interesting yeah yeah i guess i could
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see that and hassan's completely disingenuous and cruel you know like the dog shocking thing
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everything like that so i i think that he he literally just a thirst trap influencer
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i don't know i i mean that would be true if the majority of his audience is female and i i haven't
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ever looked into the composition of his audience oh it's definitely majority female it is yeah
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i guess i would have thought because i i've watched a ton of left focused or politically
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affiliated youtubers who have 90 plus percent female audiences if not like 98 female audiences
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and you watch any male youtubers who have 90 plus percent female audiences yes absolutely
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absolutely absolutely who are you thinking of i mean a bunch philip defranco is probably the
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most well-known one i watch his news recaps to get an understanding of what the leftist default
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takes to like whatever's happening might be yeah hassan is different and i don't personally see
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how he appeals to female audiences so if there is anyone who is female and leftist and watching
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them not that i imagine them to be here please explain this to me if this is a thing in the
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no like actually send us an email because we might miss it if it's in the comments like i'd
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actually be interested to know why somebody would watch hassan like i've tried his streams and
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they're really boring well i mean i think for the same reason why i struggle sometimes with
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streams of just pearly things there's a lot of dead space there's a lot of just
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mental fatigue experienced by the streamer that you weirdly don't see with asmongold like he's got
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a lot of mental endurance to be able to keep even never seems fatigued he does have well you know
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where he built that mental endurance was like 10 hour wow raids wow yeah yeah that's it i i think
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i'm thinking here of like destiny like destiny i've listened to some of his content and he at
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least appears to be trying to be intellectually serious like hasan doesn't appear to be attempting
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to tell the truth he's just yeah well and also just hassan and and hannah pearl davis have dead
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air whereas i haven't really seen that with destiny i haven't really seen that with nick
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fuentes i haven't really seen that with asmongold maybe in their live streams you know because we
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we typically view cut down versions of their content they show up but hannah pearl david
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hannah pearl davis has dead air in her streams but not on her show her show because her show
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like five people or whatever you know when she does it um but subscriber by the way she's a
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subscriber verse so who knows if she's watching this but you're always welcome to come on the
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show by the way if you ever want to come on we'd love to have you we lost a way to contact you and
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you got kicked off of instagram so sorry about that but anyway what was the final point i wanted
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to make here because i thought it was interesting it's been a fascinating change in in the right
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and it has really consolidated the the nerd gamer gate faction i'm for it it really helps us like it
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got guys and you can be like oh we don't want all this female energy like in our spaces and
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stuff like that we don't want all this nerd energy right like okay first of all the nerds have the
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future okay secondly women watch this stuff too you don't want women right-wing women to be
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influence to be nerdier right and finally to win elections we have to win with both men and women
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right yeah being able to moderate the rights energy and ideas to not be reflexively anti-woman
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is something that is going to benefit the right and and i like that you know you help me do that
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on this stream right like this is i don't know how much of our influencers watch other women
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yeah i don't know either i i would be curious to know do you have any thoughts on this simone
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before we wrap it up i think it's a great development i i think that yeah there there
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are a lot of just visual elements of people that i think unfairly disqualify them from being taken
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seriously and that happens more to women than to men which is you know unfortunate because i think
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that there are women out there who have interesting things to say so this is good but you had nothing
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interesting to say you don't have a single like unique take on this come on you gotta have
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i don't really see what your point is aside from because women now can be on the internet
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behind a mask they are able to move the overton window of discourse on the right like okay am i
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missing something beyond that they one are able to move the everton window of discourse on the
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right to make right a genuinely two-gender space which it really wasn't for a while that's a huge
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change i disagree i mean like half the fox news commentators have always been oh they didn't
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really fox news didn't have ideas like fox news was just parroting whatever corporate talking
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point they were supposed to be talking about that day that wasn't actually hearing a woman's
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are you saying that like because there were people like tucker carlson and alex jones who
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would say out there wild things that sparked conversation and there just weren't female
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versions of that there weren't women being like ah i'm gonna say something yeah your random alex
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jones fan didn't have some woman that like all of them would be like oh yeah i also listened to her
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ideas right whereas the you know if you look at like but are are they saying really out there
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things that are are changing the discourse what i guess yeah they are i guess yeah they are no
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kirsha often starts like because she does the initial research she often starts things that
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then become like a viral thing that everyone's covering right they're calling attention to new
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to new issues that she's sort of a top of the pipeline content creator which trickles down
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through the rest of the pipeline so she she does specifically significantly influence what's what's
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being talked about but then the second point i'm making is that they also were sort of forced
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disproportionately into one faction of the right which changes how they influence the right
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because if you're an anime girl you're not going to crash out about why anime guys who watch anime
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are all losers yeah and the religious deontologists aren't going to watch you so they're not listening
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to you you're not influencing them you're only influencing you different no they they might
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watch you this is sorry simone you might not know this religious people really like anime
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there is a specific yeah thank goodness brand of religious deontology when i went to like my
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anime clubs in school and stuff like that there were always a lot of like conservative religious
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like homeschool kids like i don't know what it is about like this this thing a good taste perhaps
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drop in the comments if you're one of these kids but that was like a type
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the very sheltered very do good very like i don't swear i don't watch rated r things
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but by god i watch lots of anime yeah no it's wonderful it is have fun simone have a spectacular
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yes yes hopefully i discovered that i just needed to somehow like the permissions had lapsed
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so local file saving doesn't need an app on my mac after all that actually
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i just needed to go back into my settings and make sure that permissions were
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like correctly yeah but it seems like maybe they it forgets sometimes or maybe when you like
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the software update people's general settings just kind of reset like that's well i i hate that i'm
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making the agent feature usable on max for coding but because you just don't want to empower anyone
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who chooses apple as their provider i don't know i do not i do not they deserve you just every time
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i have nothing they're pretty okay a rejection of apple is is a rejection of shallow people
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everywhere including your own wife still use an apple computer because it's pretty because it's
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pretty don't you that's really why yes malcolm i i also like the the haptics i like i like the
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textile the tactile experience of it i i like the smoothness i mean give it time right like
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i wasn't a really big fan of samsung phones after i got rid of my iphone yeah but then as soon as i
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discovered the pixel i was like okay done like yeah because they actually focus on like haptics
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and experience it yeah it's a good it's a good user experience it's a good yeah i do like the
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haptics of pixels and i of course being a heavy google user just like that integration it's so
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nice it's so nice oh my i mean apple's future is is i think quite effed at this point no i think
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it's i think they're taking a very smart approach integrated home concept is a good idea yeah if
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pull it off i think they'll pull it off and they're very good at locking people in
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to i think they discovered the power of producing really great
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individual products that only really work if you buy into the whole suite for example
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consider the air tag i do not know of a single other product in terms of like good location i
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I mean, obviously there's a tile, but the tile doesn't even come close to the air tag in terms
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of utility. I don't think we can use air tags without an iPhone. At least last time I checked
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because your mom had a bunch and they're super, super useful. They're, they're quite granular
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and they're tracking abilities. And, and I was like, Oh my God, this is great. We finally have
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air tags. We can put them in our kids' shoes. Cause that's what a lot of parents do. Like
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bougie parents, they cut into their kids' shoes under their soles and they put air tags in there
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to track them if they like run off at a theme park or something and i discovered you have to
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have an iphone for them to work same with when they first came out they were like pretty good
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for smart watches the apple watch only works if you have an iphone you can't use it if you only
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have a mac so they're going to come out with some really cool smart home devices actually you gave
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me an idea for a product i want to make for our fab next oh because i'm sort of surprised that
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Nobody seems to offer this right now, and it's something that I want, which is the Alexa and Google speakers we have throughout our house that we use constantly, right?
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They're better than they used to be, but they're basically retarded compared to real AIs.
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I think it would be fun to see if I can get a speaker that just connects to our back-end system and lets people choose from any cutting-edge mainline AI model to be the responder to them.
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Well, it'd be cool if there could be an RFAB integration where you can just have your agent be able to use this.
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You have your agent or your companion respond to you through the speaker.
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It's going to be like that smart house in Eureka, the show, Eureka.
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started getting passive aggressive with him i loved it i loved that house yeah that's a great
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eureka was a great show actually yeah really no no i love i love eureka this is why we tried to
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create a city we called it project eureka we called it project eureka actually if you're
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watching this show and you're like i'm out of backlog things to watch you can find eureka for
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free somewhere it is old as balls and it is actually a really good show it's it's unmoored
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from time enough because it's kind of about this isolated science town inspired by the idea of that
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like government alamos or whatever los alamos maybe no i think it was
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everybody's working on like science experiments all the time and yeah everyone's a genius but
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like full families live there it's oh oh i need that it was made during that period where you
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could have a diverse cast that didn't feel of like aggressively woke yeah it was just like oh
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there are people that are different sometimes instead of like oh you're the you're part of a
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quota um okay but yeah it was it was good it's got like nine seasons or something or like 10
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seasons yeah yeah stargate first for stargate first oh no well so the problem with trying to
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get people into stargate sg1 is season one for like the first two to three episodes is terrible
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it's a really good job at like curating it for me maybe we just need to create an episode list
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for people like to start here sg1 is the best sci-fi show ever made if you watch it curated
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but the problem is that somebody needs to give you a curated list of episodes the director's cut
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yeah and and i mean i remember you'd be like oh we're just gonna skip this entire arc
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the first two episodes one of the problems is they set the scene but they're also very bad
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which creates a problem for the show like the way they introduced samantha carter's character
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where it's like a woman so everyone expects her to be dumb but then she's smart and i like almost
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groaned out of my chair like come on but it was a different time okay it was also when like
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women they don't know how to science actually if i was going to give people suggestions even
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though i think sg1 is just strictly a better show i would give i would tell like an average person
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watch farscape before you watch sg1 the puppet show no i couldn't talk you try i couldn't make
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it through one episode with you really no oh my god it was awful it was so bad
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if they don't they don't look like puppets
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they're jim hansen honest to god yeah no this then i'm not watching the freaking puppet show
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all right it's like watching fraggle rock okay we're not doing that and then for this this one
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needs the most heavy curation but for most new ideas i'd suggest lex which is one i didn't even
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try on you apparently not no it's it's it's really it edges into like like racy sex scene humor in an
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amount that can be cringe but it also has more interesting ideas in it than the other shows
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um like the like i love this scene where they introduce earth in it at one point they're like
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they they go through the classification of the planet and it means a planet that's a that's
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about to destroy itself and they're like we should just go by like this is insignificant right
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and that's the way that their their ai immediately classifies earth as one of these planets it's
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about to be destroyed it's a flash in the pan yeah well specifically they say this is a pilot
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episode don't bother it's not going to get approved it doesn't happen until like season
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three that episode or something so lax i order you to use every last bit of juice you've got
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to blow up that ugly blue planet as you command do you realize what he just did of course people
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on earth were after my man if not actually then potentially so the planet had to be destroyed
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any robot head in my position would have done the same 790 you are so evil not evil just obsessed
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no not just obsessed you are evil but truly a bizarre show if we're talking about oh one show
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i'd really suggest for people another i'm just giving suggestions here are sliders if you want
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to watch old shows and i haven't made you watch we didn't watch sliders together uh sliders might
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be easier to get into than any of the shows that i've mentioned it's like a first time just sliding
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in it's a show where and i don't know why they haven't made this theme in any other show
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every episode or about every episode takes place in a different timeline on earth so it's always
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the same year in the same location but they go to like communist america they go to america was a
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woman president they go to that that's the one where the hillary clinton president comes from
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that a lot of people use when she was running for president they're like oh the clinton's president
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Okay, Octavius, in five seconds, I'll teach you to wait.