Based Camp - Wait, Are We Mormons？？？

00:00:00.000 This really shocked me because it was the more conservative Mormons, the ones who would be considered more extremist, who thought that we were more similar to Mormonism in our beliefs.

00:00:11.640 And it was the less conservative Mormons who thought that our beliefs were more distant from Mormons.

00:00:17.920 If you look across the Mormon tradition, when I started talking to more Mormons and more conservative Mormons about the way they think the metaphysics of the universe actually works, there is more diversity within Mormon beliefs.

00:00:29.560 than there is within any other religion that I'm aware of.

00:00:34.300 But what's extra interesting is there's both that diversity, but also this quiet, like, we don't talk about this diversity.

00:00:41.560 Yeah, we don't talk about this.

00:00:42.360 We don't talk about it.

00:00:43.300 So let's talk about one here, right?

00:00:46.280 Like multiple mortal prohibitions, right?

00:00:48.580 This was fascinating to me because it has shown that I fundamentally misunderstood Mormonism in our previous videos on Mormonism.

00:00:57.080 Would you like to know more?

00:00:58.060 Well, this is very exciting.

00:01:00.580 I get to use my new fancy speaker.

00:01:02.200 Although, like, because it's metal, like, right now, I feel like I'm holding a frozen rod of ice right now.

00:01:09.220 It is so cold.

00:01:09.980 Is this your new camera?

00:01:11.620 Yeah.

00:01:12.440 Okay.

00:01:12.980 Well, I am really excited for this episode.

00:01:15.520 And I am always so disappointed when there's an episode that, like, I absolutely love.

00:01:20.880 But, like, we don't get a bunch of watches on it or something.

00:01:23.860 No one's going to watch this.

00:01:25.120 Yeah.

00:01:25.340 Well, I'll tell you, in terms of watching something that I thought I didn't want to watch, I watched all of Saturday Warriors, per your request.

00:01:33.140 And it was cheesy.

00:01:34.840 And it was – but, oh, my gosh, I cried.

00:01:37.980 I cried.

00:01:38.500 So, people who aren't familiar with Saturday Warriors, it was recommended to us because we've been talking a lot with a Mormon fan of the show to try to understand the religion better.

00:01:47.860 And he suggested that we check out this movie.

00:01:50.860 And it is really interesting because he said that, like, it gives a good example of why a lot of Mormons had a lot of kids.

00:01:56.940 So, you can see it from their perspective.

00:01:58.520 And throughout the entire movie, you're having your heartstrings pulled by this little girl who's stuck in heaven because her parents haven't had a kid yet.

00:02:07.580 And they haven't had all their kids.

00:02:09.380 They haven't had the seventh kid.

00:02:11.140 No, eighth.

00:02:11.880 Eighth kid.

00:02:12.660 Eighth kid.

00:02:13.320 Emily, what's wrong?

00:02:15.620 I'm the last kid to be born.

00:02:17.440 What if by that time mom and dad don't want me?

00:02:19.760 No way.

00:02:20.660 But I've seen lots of families make promises and then break them.

00:02:25.000 Not us.

00:02:26.560 Emily, I will see to it personally that you're not forgotten.

00:02:31.360 You promised to me?

00:02:32.540 Promise.

00:02:33.520 Yeah, and then another one of their kids, the bad guys in this, you want to talk about getting us on board with you?

00:02:39.660 The bad guys in this were called Population Zero, and they were a rock band that had seduced one of the sons into thinking abortion was cool and population reduction was cool.

00:02:52.240 Look at this.

00:02:54.000 Ehrlich says that population growth will lead to famine.

00:02:58.320 And in this decade, hundreds of millions of people will starve to death.

00:03:02.300 So what's the solution?

00:03:03.460 Force population control?

00:03:05.160 Well, people will need to be coerced, but it's for a good cause.

00:03:10.640 I mean, it's the only answer.

00:03:12.180 Unless you don't like eating.

00:03:14.780 Think that's a little extreme?

00:03:16.220 Come on.

00:03:16.840 Well, this is serious.

00:03:17.960 People need to stop having so many kids. 0.94

00:03:20.460 No offense.

00:03:22.160 Jimmy, how come your parents can't keep their hands off each other?

00:03:26.440 You want to find out? 0.82

00:03:29.820 The earth is sick. 0.99

00:03:31.900 And we are the cancer. 0.98

00:03:33.540 Every day, the babies are destroying the world. 0.80

00:03:48.060 Eating all our applesauce.

00:03:51.160 What can we do?

00:03:52.660 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:03:54.100 Far out, man.

00:03:55.400 Play that again.

00:03:57.080 Just messing around, man.

00:03:58.380 No, Jimmy.

00:04:00.240 For real this time.

00:04:01.380 And keep that melody.

00:04:02.140 Every day, the world is getting smaller by far.

00:04:17.120 Bursting at the seams, what can we do?

00:04:21.760 Zero population is the answer, my friend.

00:04:30.400 Without it, the rest of us are due.

00:04:34.740 Who can survive?

00:04:38.660 Who can survive?

00:04:39.680 Not one of us will be young.

00:04:41.340 Literally, a multinatalist rock band.

00:04:44.040 Hilarious.

00:04:44.620 Right?

00:04:45.160 Can you get more?

00:04:46.340 But this whole line of conversation started for us with a really interesting moment for me.

00:04:52.180 So I was on stage, and I have talked with the transhumanist Mormons before.

00:04:58.580 You know, like the weird, like technophilic Mormons, which I think a lot of Mormons would consider kind of different from mainstream Mormons.

00:05:06.180 And the fact that our ideology and our belief system really aligns closely with theirs, that did not surprise me at all.

00:05:15.280 You know?

00:05:15.740 Right.

00:05:16.440 Here's what shocked me.

00:05:17.480 So we're on the stage.

00:05:18.180 It's Kevin Dolan.

00:05:18.780 Kevin Dolan is of the conservative faction of Mormons.

00:05:21.480 So much so that he's often, when people talk about, like, the desert nationalists, that's who they're talking about.

00:05:26.840 The Mormon separatists.

00:05:28.020 However, Mormon extremists disregarded federal warnings and established Port Joe Smith, deep inside the arachnid quarantine zone. 0.80

00:05:35.320 Too late, they realized that Dantana had already been chosen by other colonists.

00:05:40.260 Arachnids.

00:05:41.420 Would you like to know more?

00:05:43.680 So that's the faction.

00:05:45.980 And we were on stage, and he just came out, because I thought that he would see our religious beliefs, our synthetic religious beliefs, where we say, okay, broadly, in a million years from now,

00:05:55.460 of our lives, they're probably going to be closer to gods than humans, and that this, or the way we would think of a god than a human,

00:06:02.360 and that they wouldn't relate to time the way we relate to time.

00:06:06.040 And so it's sort of like a self-manifesting entity that is influencing us today.

00:06:09.940 So he saw this.

00:06:11.260 He actually related it to Interstellar.

00:06:12.540 He said, your beliefs are basically Interstellar, right?

00:06:14.460 I don't know.

00:06:15.140 I haven't seen it recently.

00:06:15.860 But I was like, yeah, sure, why not?

00:06:17.000 And he's like, that is just Mormon. 0.95

00:06:20.160 Like, he's like, you guys are basically just Mormons. 0.67

00:06:22.500 And that surprised me, because that did not align what I understood a conservative Mormon would think.

00:06:31.620 And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:06:33.140 And so then I started talking to some other Mormons who were at the conference about Mormonism, and they're like, yeah, you guys are just Mormons, or your beliefs are very similar to Mormon beliefs.

00:06:42.140 And this really shocked me, because it was the more conservative Mormons, the ones who would be considered more extremist, who thought that we were more similar to Mormonism in our beliefs, or as they would say it, you know, the Church of Latter-day Saints.

00:06:57.980 And it was the less conservative Mormons who thought that our beliefs were more distant from Mormons.

00:07:04.480 Isn't that wild?

00:07:05.740 Well, it's not wild when you dig into it.

00:07:08.540 Yes, right.

00:07:09.200 And this was fascinating to me, because it has shown that I fundamentally misunderstood Mormonism in our previous videos on Mormonism, and in our previous writings on Mormonism, because I fundamentally, one, misunderstood—well, the biggest thing is I misunderstood how they determine what they think is true.

00:07:27.140 And there's a very interesting thing that Mormons do that no other faith in the world I'm aware of, because, like, we have studied a lot of faiths, and none of the other ones do this.

00:07:38.620 Which is, which is, if I go to one Mormon, and I say, hey, I've heard a lot of Mormons believe X, or, like, church fathers believe X and have talked about X frequently.

00:07:52.520 So, like, two examples here might be, like, eternal progression or, like, multiple mortal prohibitions.

00:07:58.940 These are two things we'll both talk about on this podcast.

00:08:00.940 It is not infrequent if they do not believe in multiple mortal prohibitions or eternal progression.

00:08:06.480 They'll just say, nope, no large group of Mormons have ever believed this.

00:08:10.860 None of the common Mormons ever believed this.

00:08:14.000 None of the church fathers ever believed this.

00:08:16.100 And then if you point to them, like, text, like, no, like, this is in, like, stuff that was put out by major church fathers.

00:08:23.960 They'll then say, okay, maybe some Mormons do believe this, but they are influenced by the devil.

00:08:31.760 What, really? Influenced by the devil?

00:08:33.960 This is regularly what you see.

00:08:36.480 And this is fascinating to me, because, like, Protestants, for example, I'm, I'm, I, you know, if you're talking about, like, pre-millennialists or post-millennialists Protestants, so people who don't know what I'm talking about here, in the conservative Protestant community, one of the biggest debates is, does Jesus, like, like, does the rapture happen before the tribulation, or does the rapture happen after the tribulation?

00:09:00.800 Do, like, like, devout Christians actually have to go through this period of tribulation, or will they be raptured beforehand, and then the period of tribulation is meant to help people, you know, anyway, nuanced discussion.

00:09:13.020 But none of them are going to say, no, there's not some other group that has this other view, and if there is, they're, they're being manipulated by the devil.

00:09:21.060 They're like, no, we have a serious difference in faith, and we study this, and, and these are the arguments for my faith, you know?

00:09:28.620 There's people out there who are mistaken, but, you know, they're not, like, demons.

00:09:34.800 Well, and, and, and the, the reason why, so this has really confused me about Mormonism, because whenever I tried to study Mormonism in the past, if I was going to get, like, a broad view of Mormonism, I actually would always get the best broad views from people who had left the church.

00:09:51.760 Hmm, yeah.

00:09:53.240 Well, often those are the people who are talking about it.

00:09:55.520 Well, yeah, so, and I, and I should point out, I'm not saying that Mormons never disagree about this stuff, but if you want to see, like, the actual disagreements that Mormons are having, go to the comment section on Mormon blogs.

00:10:06.340 Don't go to the articles themselves.

00:10:09.640 And this then came to, why would the conservatives be more accepting of our beliefs than the non-conservatives?

00:10:15.880 Why would they think that our beliefs are closer to Mormon beliefs?

00:10:19.300 And this is because the more sophisticated Mormon theology, the more interesting Mormon theology, from my perspective, and, and, frankly, the sort of wackier, wackier in that it's, it, it is less in a line with just generic in theology, actually, typically the older Mormon theology.

00:10:38.060 Or the Mormon theology you would know if you dug really deep into Mormon history.

00:10:43.240 Well, I mean, what I thought was really interesting about one way that it was explained to us is that, like, from, like, most really unique LDS theological concepts, you need to have an IQ of at least 130, and most, like, most Mormons don't, they don't really care. 0.63

00:11:01.060 They're not really involved in it, and it's really about the lifestyle and even a lot of leadership.

00:11:04.620 Just, like, theology is not, like, the primary thing of action here.

00:11:10.240 It's, it's other things.

00:11:11.280 Yeah, so I'll actually read a quote from one of the early church fathers, which I found very interesting and, and, and quite prophetic of our own belief system.

00:11:21.140 Orson Pratt, this is the guy who was born in 1811, wrote this, right?

00:11:25.880 And, and so when I first went to them, I was like, yeah, but, you know, we believe that, like, intergenerationally, like, we don't believe that everyone's going to inherit their own planet one day.

00:11:34.620 Or something like that.

00:11:35.520 And they're like, oh, no, no, no, that's not actually, so they, they pointed me to this Orson Pratt quote.

00:11:40.480 But not everyone's going to inherit their own planet one day.

00:11:42.340 Some people will, as humans, like, similar to humans as we are today, will be elevated to a state of godhood.

00:11:49.560 And they're like, some Mormons believe that, some Mormons believe other things.

00:11:53.080 You should look at what the actual, you know, quotes from these early church fathers.

00:11:56.660 So I want to read this quote by Orson Pratt.

00:11:58.880 This is on, whenever he uses the word intelligence, he's talking about the soul.

00:12:03.100 And so he sort of has this hypothesis that maybe the soul exists as individual soul particles, which, when people die, can break apart and, and reform.

00:12:14.380 So, like, we may have some soul particles in us that previously came from, like, plants or something like that.

00:12:19.980 So he said, we could suppose that these particles, possessed of the power to move themselves, would not have exerted that power during the endless duration preceding their organization.

00:12:29.400 If they were once organized in the vegetable kingdom, and then disorganized by becoming the food of celestial animals, and then again reorganized in the form of spirits of animals, which is a higher sphere of being,

00:12:42.580 then is it unreasonable to suppose that the seen particles have, from eternity, been passing through an endless chain of unions and disunions, organizations and disorganizations, until at length they are permitted to enter into the highest and most exalted sphere of organization in the image of God.

00:13:01.820 So, that's really fascinating.

00:13:05.820 And, and here's a quote from Brigham Young.

00:13:08.720 When the elements in an organized form do not fill the end of their creation, they are thrown back again, like Brother Kimball's old pottery ware, to be ground up and made again.

00:13:19.820 So, you hear these two, and these purport an idea of, of sort of human souls going through a cycle in which they eventually become godlike souls through this sort of forging and reforging process, which is actually really, really similar to our belief if you made it entirely materialistic.

00:13:46.780 Isn't that something?

00:13:47.420 The idea that, like, our kids are a part of us, and a chance to improve on us, you know, intergenerationally, and that they have, you know, what we would think of as the soul, which is the collection of ideas and genetics that make us up.

00:14:02.120 They have aspects of that, but reforged to improve, and that eventually this thing will become a deity.

00:14:08.720 Very, very, very, very, very, very similar beliefs.

00:14:11.500 But these are early church beliefs.

00:14:13.720 And so, early Mormons, like Mormons who are of the most conservative faction, would align more with these earlier beliefs than the more modern church beliefs.

00:14:24.480 And so, the question would be, why did the church change its beliefs?

00:14:27.500 And this comes to a really unique thing about Mormonism I didn't fully grasp.

00:14:32.820 So, it is that Mormonism, unlike any religious tradition in the entire world, the current prophet, the current head of the religion, has more say than their original book or the founder of the religion.

00:14:52.320 That is, the current prophet can override Joseph Smith, can just say Joseph Smith was wrong when he said that.

00:15:02.520 No other religion. 0.78

00:15:03.800 You, as a Muslim, would say, like, Muhammad was misunderstood, or this was misquoted, or this was, or you would say this about Jesus.

00:15:12.900 You know, you wouldn't say, the Pope cannot override Jesus.

00:15:16.200 Like, that would be considered insane.

00:15:19.420 Yeah.

00:15:20.300 It actually gets even wilder than that.

00:15:23.160 There are instances I have found where current prophets, like Elder Fielding in Answers to Gospel Questions, Volume 5,

00:15:32.140 will claim that Joseph Smith said things that he definitely doesn't seem to have ever said, or at least was never recorded in anything I can find.

00:15:41.120 For example, that's where the quote that goes something along the lines of,

00:15:45.620 the prophet Joseph Smith says that reincarnation is a doctrine of the devil, and have you not read that the devil would deceive the elect?

00:15:53.740 Where, when I tried to look through textual evidence, I cannot find Joseph Smith saying anywhere that he thought reincarnation was a tool of the devil.

00:16:02.320 And, in fact, I can find many sources that seem to indicate, and many of his contemporaries seem to indicate, that he did believe in some form of reincarnation.

00:16:11.560 Though, Joseph Smith did say that the doctrine of transmigration of souls, or souls passing directly to your children, was false.

00:16:19.980 So, imagine if you had something like the pope saying, Jesus said that this is of the devil.

00:16:26.760 And you're just like, or a current, you know, imam saying, Muhammad said this is a doctrine of the devil, and yet there is no evidence for that.

00:16:36.500 This would be incredibly confusing to an outsider trying to learn about the religion, and what the boundaries of the belief system actually are.

00:16:43.520 And it leads to a religion.

00:16:46.920 I had talked about Mormon being an accelerationist religion in the past, but I undersold how accelerationist it is.

00:16:53.920 Well, and I think you didn't even know the extent, I think.

00:16:56.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:57.400 So, it made it really hard for me, because I'm trying to go out there and understand what do Mormons actually believe.

00:17:04.220 And I was continually thwarted, because I was thinking about it like a Protestant, or a Catholic, or a Jew.

00:17:11.700 Thinking about it like a Protestant. 0.74

00:17:12.720 Like, just my typical, okay, I'm looking at their books.

00:17:15.000 What did their books actually say?

00:17:16.640 What did the founding fathers, what do the most important people in the movement actually say?

00:17:21.740 And they'll just, like, dismiss this stuff.

00:17:25.000 Like, this famous speech by Joseph Smith.

00:17:27.440 I'll put a thing here, where he basically lays out the idea that, oh yeah, humans will eventually become gods.

00:17:33.140 Some modern Mormons just throw this out.

00:17:35.880 And so, why do they just throw this out?

00:17:38.280 Like, and that God started like a human today, right?

00:17:41.440 And you can look at, here are some quotes that AI generated when I was having it, like, asking it about Mormon concepts.

00:17:47.860 What?

00:17:49.780 Where it said, God was once as humans are now, but eternally God.

00:17:54.760 That is exactly what we believe about God.

00:17:57.920 He was once as humans are now, because he was once us.

00:18:01.240 Like, literally us.

00:18:02.240 Yeah, right.

00:18:02.780 But he also was eternally God, because that's the way we think time works.

00:18:06.260 A being like God and Christ means unity of purpose, not abilities.

00:18:10.880 So, being like God and Christ means unity of purpose, not abilities.

00:18:15.940 And you would say, yes, exactly.

00:18:17.440 That's what this intergenerational improvement means.

00:18:21.400 Or you could look at something like their belief in pre-life, basically, right?

00:18:25.020 Like, in this movie, it started with all of them sort of in heaven, living their pre-lives, having their pre-families.

00:18:30.200 Hi, I'm Todd Richards.

00:18:32.640 I know.

00:18:33.280 We're in love.

00:18:34.580 And, um, so we were wondering if it's possible if you could put us down in the same town.

00:18:40.580 Right.

00:18:41.080 Or the same street.

00:18:42.360 At least at the same time, if possible.

00:18:44.800 How about the same family?

00:18:45.900 Yes.

00:18:46.060 That'd be great, yeah.

00:18:46.740 We believe something very similar, but it's due to how we see time.

00:18:53.660 Because we see all time is happening at once, we believe that all of our kids are friends, do know each other, and are waiting to come into existence, but in the future.

00:19:03.560 Right.

00:19:04.100 So, to clarify, in the movie Saturday Warriors, it begins with everyone in heaven, and they already know each other, and they know that they're going to be family, and they're like, oh, I can't wait.

00:19:14.320 This is going to be so great.

00:19:15.240 What kind of dance should I do first for Mom and Dad?

00:19:17.600 Something classical?

00:19:20.000 Or?

00:19:21.400 Cha-cha. 1.00

00:19:22.960 Cha-cha. 1.00

00:19:24.360 From what I've heard, it's going to take a while to even learn how to walk.

00:19:27.260 So, maybe just a twist then?

00:19:34.280 Whereas, like, we don't think there's some antechamber before, it's just that everything that has happened and will happen is happening, and it's sort of all at once.

00:19:43.900 And it's already happened.

00:19:45.120 Yes.

00:19:45.440 And I do deny, like, my little daughter, when I interact with my little daughter in 10 years, and it's kid number 12 that everyone told us not to have, it is that little girl who's being denied life by us choosing not to have a kid.

00:19:58.800 But it is a life that we would have robbed.

00:20:03.340 Right.

00:20:03.660 Just as much as Mormon think that you have robbed a person of their life. 0.96

00:20:06.980 One thing that I want to say, which I think is really interesting, is when I look at these Mormon videos, they're very similar to how if we were trying to explain our belief systems to a child or somebody who is living in, like, the early 1800s, we would have explained our belief system.

00:20:24.600 Which makes it feel very contiguous with Mormonism. 0.80

00:20:29.060 In fact, one part of our holiday, Future Day, that we haven't really talked much publicly about, and we've been solidifying, actually, after seeing this movie, how it would play out, is the Day of Martyrs, which comes before Future Day.

00:20:44.380 Which is dedicated to readings of the Martyrdom of Man, one of the books that we see, like we would see Joseph Smith as being divinely inspired by the same entity which we believe inspired us, in which every member of the family, both the kids and us, explain to past iterations of their parents, so that would be our parents in our case, why they should have us, and why it is a good thing that we would come to exist.

00:21:12.160 And what we plan to do with that existence.

00:21:15.020 While also thanking our ancestors, not just, you know, our biological ancestors, but the ancestors of humanity in general, for the hardships that they underwent, to give us our current technological and material bounty, as the Martyrdom of Man states, even in the 1800s, that your average English person back then lived a better life than your Anglo-Saxon king.

00:21:40.840 And, you know, from our perspective today, your average American probably lived a better life than the Queen of England when that book was written.

00:21:48.900 And this is through the intergenerational martyrdom of our ancestors and ourselves to make things better for the next generation.

00:21:58.820 And it is a, this is where they sort of take up the mantle of that responsibility, this cycle of continual improvement, while also hopefully instilling an amount of gratitude for how good they have it, vis-a-vis what the daily life of most humans used to be like hundreds of years ago.

00:22:19.140 This is meant to instill in our kids that they exist for a reason, and that being alive is a privilege, and it's a privilege that comes with duties and responsibilities to justify your own existence.

00:22:35.140 I should note here, though it's less relevant for this particular conversation, that the Day of Martyrs is also dedicated to reading from Fox's Book of Martyrs, not just the Martyrdom of Man.

00:22:45.140 These readings are meant to remind kids and our family more broadly what our duty is in face of tyranny or those who would claim to have mental authority over our belief systems.

00:22:59.220 While also reminding them to never become that person themselves, never become the person who is telling somebody else what they have to believe is true and not true.

00:23:09.940 Because the highest level of freedom an individual has is the freedom to choose what they believe.

00:23:16.100 And that freedom must both be protected, but also imparts on individuals the duty to think carefully about those things and decide with prudence how you think things actually work, without allowing other people to tell you what to believe.

00:23:33.120 Now obviously we haven't talked about this publicly yet, because it's one of the belief systems that's probably going to get us most shamed by antinatalists.

00:23:41.080 But it is very, very similar to these scenes in Saturday Warriors.

00:23:46.600 I love how a lot of our more publicly facing documents are more just like philosophy and stuff like that, but we get into actual like religious insanity if you are actually a regular listener to the podcast.

00:23:58.400 So I swear when like antinatalists are prepping for a debate with us or something, this is what they must be imagining.

00:24:04.440 As far as I'm concerned, this Saturday night, there's not even going to be a fight. 0.97

00:24:09.180 I will torture his body. 0.96

00:24:11.080 So that he so learns to be humble. 1.00

00:24:13.340 I'm going to knock him out round one, bitch. 1.00

00:24:15.760 God chose me for this fight. 1.00

00:24:18.080 God is the teacher.

00:24:19.840 Derek is the student.

00:24:21.700 Wait.

00:24:23.300 What did he say again?

00:24:25.220 God chose him.

00:24:27.520 God's lessons are so beautiful.

00:24:32.180 God's lessons are beautiful?

00:24:33.900 I'm sorry, who put this fight together?

00:24:36.420 This is just what I do.

00:24:38.280 If y'all got an actual crazy person for me to fight, well, that's not fair to me or him.

00:24:44.280 I'm sorry, is this crazy?

00:24:51.920 Now, this gets really interesting and it's sort of, I think the core failure of Mormonism, modern Mormonism, is that a lot of Mormonism recently and Mormon trends and like why they pretend or move towards not having these beliefs is a drive to be seen as quote unquote normal Christian.

00:25:14.260 Or just another branch of Christianity.

00:25:17.520 And in that quest, they have abandoned many of the spiky and more unique parts of their history and theology, which were honestly the more sophisticated and compelling parts to me.

00:25:33.140 Yeah, the cooler stuff, right?

00:25:35.800 But I also think that that's the case with most religions, that like if you actually dive deep into the dogma and you really, really get into it and get technical, it does get weird.

00:25:47.400 No, no.

00:25:48.420 Protestants, US, evangelicals, they've gone so much.

00:25:52.200 No, I'm referring to like Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, like I'm going into, like I'm not, I'm not talking about religions that are in the middle of going soft.

00:26:01.160 When those religions become softer, when they abandon the weirder parts of themselves, they're typically doing it in an effort to conform with the urban monoculture. 0.94

00:26:12.200 Right, and that's my point.

00:26:13.380 When I'm talking about when you get to the core of a religion and it gets weird, I'm referring to hard religions.

00:26:17.740 Right, I guess you're right to an extent, but what's really interesting is that Mormonism hasn't attempted to conform to the urban monoculture as much.

00:26:26.000 Like there's a faction that's doing that, but where they have lost most of their traditions is in trying to conform to conservative iterations of other Christian denominations, where they have tried to become more like just another type of evangelical Protestants.

00:26:39.220 When they are nothing like, and this, and so the question is, is why are they doing this?

00:26:45.160 And this is, when I look at Mormonism as an outsider, and I look at the collapsing fertility rates within Mormonism, I actually think that this is a problem of the genetic vortex.

00:26:53.980 So we talked about how religions and genetics can reinforce each other, where people with specific genetic predilections can convert to a religion disproportionately, which can lead to those sociological profiles being higher within that religion.

00:27:05.760 I think historically, Mormonism really selected for culturally and genetically.

00:27:12.920 So I think there's two things going on here.

00:27:15.080 An extreme amount of social anxiety and desire to engage in social status competitions.

00:27:25.480 Right.

00:27:25.600 And I think that this is why, if you look at like the way that like alcohol ravaged Native American communities, I think things like TikTok and social media have ravaged Mormon communities.

00:27:36.080 Same with other scams.

00:27:37.700 TikTok is the alcohol of Mormon people. 1.00

00:27:41.500 Well, that and that this desire to fit in is what drove them to abandoning, I think, the more interesting and to my perspective, sophisticated aspect of their religion, but also to deny that they're different.

00:27:54.920 So this is another really interesting thing.

00:27:56.480 If you look across the Mormon tradition, when I started like talking to more Mormons and more conservative Mormons about the way they think like the metaphysics of the universe actually works, there is more diversity within Mormon beliefs than there is within any other religion that I'm aware of.

00:28:12.740 But what's extra interesting is there's both that diversity, but also this like quiet, like, we don't talk about this diversity.

00:28:20.020 Yeah, we don't talk about this.

00:28:20.800 We don't talk about it.

00:28:21.760 So, so let's, let's talk about one here, right?

00:28:24.700 Like multiple mortal prohibitions, right?

00:28:27.080 Okay, define what that is.

00:28:28.520 So this is the, so there, okay.

00:28:32.260 So there's different theories on what it means or ways that the church relates to it, right?

00:28:37.360 All right.

00:28:37.740 Like some people, like the most mainstream perspective in the church is you exist before you're born.

00:28:44.660 Like this is one prohibition.

00:28:45.940 You come to life, right?

00:28:47.720 As a human. 0.94

00:28:48.440 And then you die.

00:28:50.040 And then comes the next part, like whatever comes after that. 0.88

00:28:53.160 Okay.

00:28:53.340 Some Mormons, though, believe that you actually sort of get reincarnated or like the quote I was talking about earlier.

00:29:00.740 Like that doesn't mean that your soul holistically gets reincarnated.

00:29:03.640 It may be like dissolved, recombined, reincarnated.

00:29:07.100 But that's a huge diversity in beliefs about what happens after death.

00:29:11.300 There really are some Mormons that believe that, that most people are going to get their own planet and become gods.

00:29:16.900 Like if they're good people and they follow Mormon teachings.

00:29:19.760 My father, my brother, and I had been there at the hospital.

00:29:24.540 As we walked out, my brother and I, who went to the car together, smiled and looked up in the mountains and remembered that mother had always said she loved the mountains so much that he and I laughed and guessed that if in fact the celestial worlds are really flat, a sea of glass, she'll be eager to get away to build her own worlds.

00:29:42.660 And the first thing she'll build will be mountains.

00:29:44.500 But a lot of Mormons don't believe that at all.

00:29:46.980 They believe in like more of a traditional heaven.

00:29:49.580 Like that's a wild different in beliefs.

00:29:52.140 Like you do not see, like you look at a belief system that has many different beliefs, right?

00:29:57.420 Like a huge diversity, like Hinduism.

00:29:59.500 Yeah, but at least they agree broadly on what happens after you die.

00:30:04.640 Yeah, no, this is so interesting.

00:30:05.660 And also like that over time, there's been a shift within the LDS church on like what canon gets more emphasis.

00:30:13.460 Like one person said that currently they feel like it's 35% Book of Mormon, 10% Old Testament and 25% New Testament.

00:30:21.920 And then, you know, maybe like 30% DNC plus Pearl of Great Price, which I hadn't even heard of before.

00:30:30.080 But then like they also thought that the Book of Mormon probably peaked in 1990 and New Testament is probably at its peak now.

00:30:38.480 Also, these like shifts in emphasis, too, of like which text is getting a lot of emphasis, which to me sounded a lot like Jewish tradition.

00:30:49.080 It seems like in Jewish tradition, like different texts will get emphasis at different times as well.

00:30:54.260 So I just had no idea there was this level of dynamicness, right?

00:30:57.320 This is insane.

00:30:57.960 It has a lot in common with Jewish tradition.

00:31:00.520 Yeah.

00:31:00.800 Except it has this weird mix of Jewish and Catholic versions of how they determine.

00:31:04.880 Right.

00:31:05.180 Well, because like with the Jewish traditions, like you just, you know, like there are names for the different subsets of like these guys believe this thing and these guys believe this thing and emphasize this text and blah, blah, blah.

00:31:13.920 So you like know who's who.

00:31:14.960 And the one who wins is the one who gets the most followers.

00:31:17.320 Right.

00:31:17.700 And then, but with Catholicism, it's like, no, we're like, here's where we are.

00:31:21.220 You know, this is the official stance.

00:31:22.940 But with Judaism, it's like you have these different theologies like bubbling in the background. 0.99

00:31:28.500 Right.

00:31:28.680 And then the one that wins is the one that covertly gets the most social acceptance within the community.

00:31:35.520 Right.

00:31:35.740 And then that becomes what the current prophet will say or whatever.

00:31:39.120 Yeah.

00:31:39.340 And that is genuinely fascinating.

00:31:42.600 And it's not even the current prophet with the LDS church either.

00:31:46.460 And I remember seeing this with my friends in college who were Mormon.

00:31:50.240 Like everyone kind of has their favorite, their favorite.

00:31:54.980 And like people will wax nostalgic about in like different subgroups and subcultures within the LDS church will have their like it was this guy he had he had it figured out.

00:32:05.340 And I thought that that's really interesting, too, that like that there is a disproportionate influence of, you know, the current head honcho, essentially.

00:32:16.240 But some groups still give the disproportionate emphasis to their favorite past one, which is super interesting.

00:32:23.780 Yeah.

00:32:24.200 So then this all becomes very interesting because when I first asked this question, are we actually just Mormons?

00:32:29.640 Right.

00:32:30.200 I came at it thinking like a Protestant.

00:32:32.020 I'm like, I'll go to their texts and see the outlines of what beliefs make someone a Mormon.

00:32:37.760 Right.

00:32:38.240 Oh, yeah.

00:32:38.720 Like what metaphysical understanding of reality, et cetera, et cetera.

00:32:41.900 Right.

00:32:42.080 Like what is the boundaries of their metaphysical understanding of reality where if you pass out of it, you would know definitely no longer be a Mormon anymore.

00:32:49.520 Yeah.

00:32:50.140 And what I found is that's not the way Mormonism works. 0.51

00:32:53.200 Nope.

00:32:54.420 And so, well, then it becomes a cultural question or rather what we think of Mormonism.

00:32:58.240 And then I think whether or not we are Mormons depends on what Mormons think.

00:33:02.220 Like it's up to them because our beliefs aren't really changing other than the way that we relate to Mormonism as a cultural group.

00:33:10.320 Yeah.

00:33:10.520 But I think we're the same way about Judaism.

00:33:15.700 Like, you know, whether we consider our kids to be Jewish depends on what other Jews think.

00:33:22.220 And so many Jews have been like, well, if you're matrilinearly Jewish, then you're Jewish. 0.85

00:33:25.540 And so we're like, well, okay, then our kids are Jewish.

00:33:27.520 But like, yeah, it's interesting that we, to a certain extent, define whether or not we fall into another religion's category of being part of them.

00:33:34.540 It's like, well, you tell us, you know, like we're doing our thing over here, but you tell us.

00:33:38.060 But hold on, now this gets interesting to us.

00:33:40.320 So then with our perspective, and when we're talking about this conservative Mormon, he goes, oh, your beliefs were divinely inspired.

00:33:47.960 They came to you via revelation in the same way that, you know, Jophus Smith's beliefs came to him.

00:33:53.580 And if you look at Joseph Smith from our religions traditions, right?

00:33:58.160 So there's a video where we talk about like the demons we make for our kids.

00:34:00.400 And I'm like, I just took those demons from books that were popular during my lifetime.

00:34:05.800 But I still think that they are likely real representations of the way that the demonic force, the basilisk, as we call it, the evil side of the future police that tests us.

00:34:16.740 We call it the basilisk after Roko's basilisk. 0.89

00:34:19.200 We recently came up with this, and I really like this as a term for the adversary, the basilisk.

00:34:22.820 And the other word that we came up with recently was agents of providence, instead of using the word future police, which sounds a little too hokey for us.

00:34:28.640 For you, Malcolm.

00:34:29.820 I'm future police forever.

00:34:31.200 So we believe that we were influenced by modern day media, but that modern day media was inspired and to an extent constructed by God, the beings that exist in the future, right?

00:34:44.880 So when you look at the traditional complaints about Joseph Smith, hold on, I'm going to pull this up at the beginning here.

00:34:53.940 Where, you know, a lot of people will say, well, you know, if you look at the Mormon theology, it appears to borrow a lot from what were like at the time sci-fi books, like a view of the Hebrews, which was a book that said, well, maybe the lost tribe of Israel went to the United States and had some other things that aligned with Mormonism.

00:35:13.380 And then A Voyage to the Moon, which was a popular sci-fi of the time, some Mormon stuff actually has a lot of parallels to that.

00:35:19.680 And so people will say, well, he was just copying, you know, fiction of his time.

00:35:23.180 Whereas from our perspective, we'd say, yes, that's how God works.

00:35:26.040 God inspired that fiction.

00:35:28.040 So that it could influence Joseph Smith.

00:35:30.020 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:30.760 Or they'd say, no, he was just making this up, like reading things out of a hat that in order to, and it's like, yeah, that's what we did with our religion.

00:35:39.280 I still think it's divinely inspired.

00:35:40.740 I still think that God created, like motivated us through whatever means they could to create an entirely new, like, or we thought new religious structure that we now find has a lot of parallels with early Mormon, you know, theology, right?

00:35:55.460 So we look at Joseph Smith doing that.

00:35:57.580 We're like, yeah, that doesn't mean it wasn't divinely inspired at all.

00:35:59.680 In fact, to us, when we're determining whether or not a belief system was divinely inspired, we look at its efficacy, its spread, and the quality of life of its members.

00:36:11.460 And from that, it is self-evident that Mormonism was one of the many belief systems that was divinely inspired.

00:36:18.620 Like, we think that Christianity, given the impact it's had on human history, given the importance it's had on us in developing the way we see the world and everything like that,

00:36:27.120 that Christ was literally a divinely manipulated or inspired being, and as evidence of that is the effect that he has had on the world.

00:36:38.780 So much so that if Mary says, well, you know, he was created, who's to say the future of release, like, if they're really going to influence, like, one person's life, they're like, we're really investing in this person having a huge impact with the agents of Providence.

00:36:51.360 If we're really investing in this one person having a big impact on human history, let's just say they didn't actually fertilize his mother, right?

00:36:58.600 Like, that could have happened, in which case that is God fertilizing his mother, right?

00:37:03.140 So in that instance, you know, we do believe an agent of the divine.

00:37:07.740 Now, I think that's probably less likely than other options that they could have used available to them.

00:37:14.100 But for all of these things, they do not have any discord with our belief system.

00:37:20.040 So for us, yes, Joseph Smith was self-evidently a divinely inspired individual, and he was inspired by the same things that inspired us.

00:37:29.560 And yet his revelation in the early Church Fathers' revelation was an incomplete revelation, just as he would say, you know, just the Protestant texts are an incomplete revelation.

00:37:41.140 And so in that sense, yes, but we aren't, like, culturally Mormon, and we don't relate to truth the way Mormons relate to truth. 0.72

00:37:49.460 Although our family, people often think we're Mormons, people who aren't Mormons, when they visit us.

00:37:54.120 I remember one guy, we tried to sell our company to him.

00:37:55.960 I don't know if you remember this.

00:37:57.380 And, you know, we were walking with him, and he goes, you know, I'd sell my company to you guys, but I really don't feel comfortable.

00:38:01.920 You know, you guys are really a little too strong with this whole Mormon thing. 1.00

00:38:06.000 And we're like, what?

00:38:07.560 Like, just because we're like...

00:38:09.520 Maybe you're more Mormon than you think, Malcolm. 0.72

00:38:11.780 Maybe.

00:38:12.340 I don't know.

00:38:12.880 I drink.

00:38:13.520 I hear a lot of Mormons do that, too.

00:38:15.400 You know, it might be...

00:38:16.460 I mean, you know, there's, like, the whole no-caffeine thing, but then, like, everyone's, you know, drinking tons of, like...

00:38:23.540 I don't know.

00:38:24.460 But I will say that I now feel much more of a kinship with this religious tradition than I did historically.

00:38:33.520 And one thing that I believe about Mormonism, you know, after studying it more, after looking at the actual diversity of theological beliefs within Mormonism, is I do not think that this centralized structure that makes up the Mormon church right now is long-term stable.

00:38:50.840 It's sort of like, if all Mormons actually just hashed out their theological differences, they would realize that they're not the same religion.

00:38:56.420 Well, but I think what you're missing here is that for the vast majority of LDS church members, it's not about the doctrine.

00:39:06.620 It's about the lifestyle, and I think there's more agreement on that.

00:39:09.900 Well, you know, so this is really interesting.

00:39:11.460 They're part of the same cultural group.

00:39:13.420 Yeah.

00:39:13.680 And this cultural group...

00:39:14.940 So, within something like, you know, Judaism, when they're having theological differences, they'll debate it with, like, biblical texts and stuff like that.

00:39:20.780 What's really interesting is when I look at Mormon theological debates, they do not often go back to texts.

00:39:25.980 They will relate to modern science, depending on, like, whatever science was common during their time period.

00:39:31.160 They will relate to philosophical constructs, very similar to, like, a metaphysics department at a university.

00:39:37.280 They are very unbounded by text in the debates that I've read in, like, the comment sections on blogs that are supposed to be about conservative Mormons.

00:39:46.160 And so, in a way, you know, being part of this larger cultural group and saying, okay, we'll agree to just have those of us, we'll all participate in this larger cultural group, which is under the central hierarchy, but those of us that are smart, we're actually allowed to think very broadly around the way we relate to the divine, around the way we relate to the concept of soul.

00:40:07.320 Don't you feel like you're kind of describing what we describe as the index, where, like, you have a bunch of culturally aligned, we kind of all want the same things, groups, who share a dating pool, who share a lot of cultural resources that work better at scale, who may have some different metaphysical views on how things work, but ultimately work better together, and are just pooling and sharing these resources.

00:40:34.520 I feel like that's very stable, and I feel like it's a pretty smart solution.

00:40:42.260 Yeah, so here's my take.

00:40:44.780 So, what would you say?

00:40:45.660 Would you say we're Mormons or we're not Mormons?

00:40:48.920 To what I said earlier, I think it depends on what various Mormons would say.

00:40:53.040 To some Mormons, we're Mormons.

00:40:54.480 To other Mormons, we're not Mormons.

00:40:56.580 Yeah, well, I agree with that.

00:40:58.860 I think we're way more Mormon than many Mormons.

00:41:01.440 I'll say that.

00:41:02.500 Okay?

00:41:02.760 Well, I'd be very interested to see where Mormonism ends up going.

00:41:06.700 If they can maintain this centralized structure, that would be very interesting.

00:41:10.780 If they do end up dividing into different subgroups, that's where, and I think that this is the core reason we're not Mormons.

00:41:18.460 The way we relate to truth is a bit different than the way Mormons relate to truth. 1.00

00:41:21.760 And that we really care about this level of technical correctness.

00:41:26.840 In the same way that, like, even when we went into Mormonism trying to look at their scripture.

00:41:29.680 Oh, but, like, we want a hard sci-fi version of religion, right?

00:41:32.560 But I also, I don't think, I think many, and we've met them now.

00:41:36.860 I think many people in the LDS church who consider themselves to be quite devout are taking the same approach.

00:41:42.460 Well, and that's why I think that if we look in 100 years or in 200 years, what becomes, like, if our religious system continues down the road, it's going down and our kids are raised within that system.

00:41:53.560 If they met a Mormon in 200 years, because I also think that Mormonism is changing from one of these technophilic factions and they're still around in 100 years. 0.57

00:42:00.960 I think there would be almost no difference.

00:42:03.940 Very, very, very, very similar belief systems.

00:42:06.320 Well, there you go.

00:42:07.340 But I do not think that we are, whatever Mormonism is today and whatever we are today, I think are two slightly different things.

00:42:14.680 However, I think that whatever we are today may actually be more appealing to some people who maybe historically would have been within the Mormon church.

00:42:22.860 If the church does go woke or something like that.

00:42:25.320 And that's where I think that we may end up merging in the near term.

00:42:29.400 If, like, I saw one guy who had, like, donated to Biden is in line for church succession.

00:42:35.400 So they may go woke.

00:42:36.540 The next guy going into power.

00:42:37.820 Or they may go super conservative.

00:42:39.360 It's hard to say.

00:42:40.280 No, the next guy is very conservative.

00:42:41.620 And so what happens?

00:42:42.600 Does that mean the conservatives leaves the movement?

00:42:44.220 Maybe, maybe they don't.

00:42:45.180 If they do, then that's where I'm like, okay, that group of Mormons that has left the central church, 0.99

00:42:50.280 maybe it's just our bristling with hierarchy.

00:42:52.400 We would be very open to joining any aspect of the Mormon church that broke from the central hierarchy.

00:43:00.220 But so long as they are under the central hierarchy, we just have too much of an instinctual distaste.

00:43:08.560 In other words, we bristle at the idea that there would be something like a conference Sunday

00:43:12.840 and some random guy would sit up and talk about, like, these are our values.

00:43:18.340 This is our lifestyle.

00:43:19.060 And we're like, no, no, don't speak for us.

00:43:21.520 Don't speak for us.

00:43:22.160 This is not okay.

00:43:23.140 So, yeah, that we can never square with, I think.

00:43:26.980 That's fair.

00:43:28.000 But I think that one day we'll be Mormons.

00:43:30.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:30.960 I mean, I have been called an honorary Mormon for many years of my life.

00:43:35.720 By that which it means, is she really culturally identified with Mormon in college?

00:43:40.060 She never drunk or anything like that because all of her friends are Mormons.

00:43:42.440 And I went to a Mormon preschool, too.

00:43:44.320 Like, all of my, like, most, I guess, culturally formative and, like, comfortable periods of my life were in exclusively Mormon groups.

00:43:52.280 So, until I met you.

00:43:54.340 And then you're my new home.

00:43:55.220 So, thank you for that.

00:43:58.220 I love you.

00:43:58.800 I love you, Simone.

00:43:59.840 And, yeah, it was so funny watching that movie because I was like, oh, this is just what we believe.

00:44:03.000 Like, Saturday Morning Preacher?

00:44:04.700 Is that what it's called?

00:44:05.480 Saturday Warrior.

00:44:06.640 Saturday Warrior?

00:44:07.780 No, Saturday Warriors.

00:44:08.900 Check it out if you're watching.

00:44:10.260 I'll add a link to it.

00:44:11.680 It's on YouTube.

00:44:12.360 You can watch the whole thing.

00:44:13.580 There was a remake in the 90s.

00:44:15.700 Really engaging.

00:44:16.680 Zero population is the answer, my friend.

00:44:23.040 Without it, the rest of us are doomed.

00:44:29.880 Who can survive?

00:44:31.040 Who can survive?

00:44:32.020 Not one of us will be us.

00:44:33.680 But when I saw that, I kept being like, oh, that's just us.

00:44:36.000 Like, that's the way we see kids.

00:44:37.240 That's the way we see, you know, the future.

00:44:39.740 That's the way.

00:44:40.280 And it also really relates to our views around things like IVF in a way that differentiates us from Catholics. 0.98

00:44:44.300 And that I believe that we are killing the kids.

00:44:46.120 We do not.

00:44:46.880 We need to do everything in our power to bring these kids to life.

00:44:50.380 Yeah.

00:44:50.680 We, you know, everything else is a kid who we have left. 0.81

00:44:54.620 A kid that we have killed.

00:44:55.500 A kid that I need to answer to one day.

00:44:57.260 One of my kids that wouldn't be here with us, you know?

00:44:59.800 Yeah, there's this one scene in which the parents are in the hospital, three months pregnant.

00:45:04.120 And, like, the pregnancy is kind of iffy.

00:45:07.620 And the mother's kind of, you know, like, in a lot of pain.

00:45:09.560 And who knows what's going to happen.

00:45:10.660 And, like, the unborn girl is watching in the hospital room kind of like, oh, like, is everything going to be okay?

00:45:17.160 And she's like this cute little girl.

00:45:18.640 And you're like, no, this pregnancy has to go through.

00:45:22.840 So it's, yeah, they really, you know, they tug at your heartstrings despite it being dated and cheesy.

00:45:27.720 And I hate musicals and it's a musical.

00:45:30.540 I'm telling you, man, I cried like a baby.

00:45:32.800 Every kid we don't bring into our family is someone that we have erased from the timeline.

00:45:37.240 Yeah.

00:45:37.500 Well, this really, if someone struggles to understand what we mean when we say that, it might help to watch this musical because of that.

00:45:45.420 So there's this anime I really like.

00:45:48.460 It comes back to anime every time.

00:45:51.220 Well, anyway, I'll add it in in editing.

00:45:53.560 It's called Shakugana no Shana.

00:45:55.520 But it's an anime where it represents sort of their soul and their existence.

00:46:01.740 And the bad guys in this anime, they will wipe out, they eat these people's existence.

00:46:08.340 So they wipe out this flame.

00:46:09.820 And when the flame goes out, nobody suffers.

00:46:14.200 Like, the individual doesn't suffer.

00:46:15.440 The people around them don't suffer because they are erased from history.

00:46:18.480 Yeah.

00:46:18.800 Ancidentalist goal.

00:46:20.000 Yes.

00:46:20.280 They are erased from ever existing.

00:46:22.100 And when you watch this, it's heart-wrenching to watch this happen to people because, to me, this is so much worse than just killing someone.

00:46:28.760 Yeah, the lost potential breaks our hearts.

00:46:36.200 That kid.

00:46:37.820 But why?

00:46:39.240 They are replacements of people who had their existence consumed by denizens of the Crimson World. 1.00

00:46:44.660 They're torches.

00:46:46.180 They're replacements?

00:46:47.660 What are you talking about?

00:46:49.080 This world's balance would be disrupted if they disappeared too suddenly.

00:46:53.860 Therefore, replacements for those people are provided to soften the impact.

00:46:57.420 They're temporary.

00:46:58.760 But then you're...

00:46:59.680 saying we're...

00:47:02.680 live?

00:47:03.360 No.

00:47:04.660 The real you has had its existence consumed and is no longer living.

00:47:08.420 Right now, you're nothing but residue.

00:47:10.280 I don't exist anymore.

00:47:23.720 Well, yeah.

00:47:24.600 And this is what we think.

00:47:26.880 A moral action, equivalent to wiping out one of these fires that destroys a person's soul and they never exist within a timeline.

00:47:33.880 This is what we think is happening when we don't bring a kid into this world that we otherwise could have.

00:47:41.740 Anyway.

00:47:42.240 Absolutely.

00:47:43.020 We'll do a longer video on when we think life begins and how we conceive of that in the near future.

00:47:47.440 But we actually are going to chat with a Catholic father about this first because we want to better understand the Catholic perspective.

00:47:54.320 Yep.

00:47:55.540 All right.

00:47:55.980 Love you to death.

00:47:56.820 Love you too, gorgeous.

00:47:57.800 Love you perhaps.

00:47:58.040 adores.

00:47:58.060 Love you too, gorgeous.

00:47:59.500 Love you, too, gorgeous.

00:47:59.780 Love you, too, together.

00:48:00.200 Love you, too.

00:48:00.440 Love you, too.

00:48:00.660 Love you, too, everyone should mauem up to the side of your hands when you leave all your hands inside the head forever.

00:48:05.180 Love you, too, none of you.

00:48:06.060 Love you, too, you?

00:48:06.600 Love you, too.

00:48:07.620 Love you, too.

00:48:08.220 Love you, too, all of you, too.

00:48:09.340 Love you, too.

00:48:10.400 Love you, too, close you, too, necessarily.

00:48:11.840 Love you, too, right?

00:48:13.480 Love you, too, too, love you, too, love you, too, love us.

00:48:15.760 Love you, too, love you, too, love you, too.

00:48:16.860 I just love you, too, love you, too, love you.

Based Camp - December 11, 2023

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