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Summary
In this episode, we talk about how men are finally starting to strike back at feminism and fighting for their rights. We look at two major areas where finally the dam is beginning to break, divorce laws in the United States, and the heartbeat act in Texas, which allows men to sue in relation to pregnancy termination cases. We also highlight some additional little wins and signs of progress in other men's rights adjacent areas.
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hello malcolm i'm so excited to be speaking with you today because we are going to talk about men
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striking back that didn't come across striking back yeah well they're they're fighting for their
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rights and and they're finally making progress all right men have been basically wait men's
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rights is actually making progress now like that's a crazy thing is that for the past 15 years
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the concept of men's rights has basically been like men being angry about the fact that they
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don't have any rights i guess it this might have been how it was for like women's rights for the
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longest time of like well ain't that cute you guys are so disgruntled about your lack of rights
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it's never gonna change sweetie no and i love what they would always then say they'd be like
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well that's actually a feminism issue don't you understand i'm like well then how come the
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feminists never fight for it and they're like oh once you're in cages then we'll fight to
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loosen the the what do they call that zip ties yeah i just basically i i was operating under the
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assumption that nothing would ever change but things are actually starting to change and this is big
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it's huge and so what we're going to do is look at two major areas where finally the dam is beginning
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to break and i think momentum is only going to build from here we're going to start with
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divorce laws in various united states states where by the the new default is the new default
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shocking men get 50 of mature of custody in divorces which is so are you going to talk about
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like what states this is happening if it's actually happening and not just like in the law
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yeah okay and it's also just crazy to me that that like isn't always the default like the assumption
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that like well of course each parent shares custody by default right unless there's a good reason not
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to but no that wasn't the case and it's being resolved it started with kentucky now it's happened
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in more states we're going to look at sort of what's going on there and then we're also going to look at
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the texas heartbeat act which is this really interesting form of what you could call vigilante based
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law justice which has both made it harder for groups to use like a supreme court case to take
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out because it's based on individual action you'll explain more explain the law it allows it allows
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men or allows anyone to to sue in relation to the we'll say wrongful termination of a baby's an unborn
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baby's life after they have a heartbeat like if they didn't consent to it and if they felt that
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they were damaged by it so okay so who what men can do this what men in relation to this the men who
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were the fathers of the baby the fathers of the baby but i thought also like parents can can sue
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sometimes no but parents can be liable friends can be liable doctors can be liable so all sorts of
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people can oh yeah and then we're also going to go through some additional little wins and like
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other little signs of hope that not just in these areas but in other men's rights adjacent areas we're
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seeing successful pushback and momentum building and then at the end i'm going to highlight an area
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of for improvement that i find to be uh important that many people in the comments of our videos have
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said hey like please highlight this issue of the men's rights sphere which we'll see if you can guess
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so let's get into it starting with the kentucky divorce laws and and just so you know there's a really
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good wall street journal article talking about this titled divorce plunged in kentucky equal custody
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for fathers is a big reason why a law setting 50 50 shared custody as the state standard was has was
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hailed as a victory for fathers but critics say it puts mothers and children at risk so basically what
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happened in kentucky and this is important because it happened in 2018 so we have enough time to see
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what has happened since this legislation was passed but kentucky in 2018 became the first state to pass
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a law making equally shared custody the default arrangement in divorces and separations and
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since that happened four other states so this is arkansas west virginia florida and missouri have
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passed their own versions of this this custody bill in around 20 more states keep in mind there are only 50
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u.s states are considering or close to passing similar laws according to analysis by national parents
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organization that is big i mean if this quickly we're already getting right so how quickly did
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the first one go to passing to 20 states being considering it now well i mean it's 2025 now and
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that was 2018 so like six years seven years yeah like this is pretty it's it's fast i mean from a
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from a legislative standpoint it's kind of like are we seeing a changing in outcomes though like do you
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see any we are oh we are and i'm also going to compare sort of this this changing outcomes to
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china because we did do an episode on like china trying to reduce divorce rates and increase fertility
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rates through regulatory shifts akin to this and i think you'll also find that quite interesting but
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let's just start with what happened in kentucky and what's interesting is since because now in kentucky
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we have enough data the divorce rate plummeted between 2016 and 2023 it fell 25 whoa so it's not
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just outcomes are changing divorce rates when you make women responsible they stop getting divorces
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20 reduction just because 50 50 custody law so it's 25 now that this is tempered by the fact that there
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has actually been a nationwide decline in divorce of 18 so you know we're talking about a marginal
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7 but that's meaningful that's huge and this is this is above and beyond men just getting equal
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custody which is huge for them well it shows how many women just view divorce as a i don't have to do
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anything and i get you know a check for the next 18 years right yeah because one of the things about
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equal custody is i'm pretty sure it's like way harder to get a good alimony yes so yeah that it
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that kind of happened actually a little bit after this legislation was passed because again men have
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no rights haha it's nothing's gonna ever could change but but fortunately recently kentucky's
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legislature did decide that parents who spend more time caring for their children should also pay less
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child support so to be fair in these divorces men still often are saddled with child support however
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at at least now the state's like oh wait a second you have 50 custody what's going on here and i've
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actually seen this show up organically in like financial audit interview youtube channel shows where
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mothers who are used to getting child support are complaining about this yes they're freaking out
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they're like what i well what am i supposed to do get a job they're like and now my child support's gone
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down because my husband is you know has 50 so this is 100 showing up like in the wild and naturally
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i think that that's really for pronatalism this is something we should push much more i think forced
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equal custody and forced no child support when there is equal custody because there shouldn't be
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child support in equal custody cases i mean i i get i get child support in the event that a woman
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like completely dropped yeah no i agree like she she went into the marriage to be a homemaker and
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never had a job i get that even in equal custody but i i think that the the sort of the worst you make
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divorce the less divorce we're gonna have right and kind of but we'll see a comparison there actually
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i'm just gonna jump to it because we should we should compare how this how this is is related to
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china so while this reform obviously is focused on first and foremost creating a fairer system like
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this legislation wasn't passed with the knowledge that it was going to reduce divorce rates it was just
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to it was it was it was creating an a system that incentivized less adversarial breakups
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so there's like less money spent on lawyers less fighting less people just divorcing to try to get a
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bunch of stuff out of their partner and in contrast china's policies which we did go over in an episode
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a while ago focus more on slowing or preventing divorce by regulation and delay i remember i thought
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it had a positive effect it had a negative effect so both have reduced divorce rates but china's approach
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also appears to have discouraged both marriage and childbearing which is an effect that is not seen
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why is it i don't understand how this could affect marriage and childbearing the the chinese policy
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well so the chinese policy is different since 2021 china requires a mandatory 30-day cooling
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off period for couples seeking an uncontested that is to say mutual consent divorce and either party can
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withdraw during this time which halts the process and the cooling off period did lead to a drop in
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divorce but honestly it's lower so their divorce rate fell from 3.4 percent in 2019 to around 1.8 percent
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in 2023 i think that's lower i think our legal change is much better so then at the same time marriage
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rates declined as well and the birth rate continued dropping which suggests that more people now are just
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avoiding marriage entirely possibly to sidestep the difficulty of divorce and there has been no
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measured decline in marriage or birth rate so i'm gonna push back on the cause here um i suggest people
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watch our video on nobody wants to marry chinese woman anymore there is a chinese cultural change
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around women where there's that too yeah it's been like women in the united states yeah and they're just
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nobody wants to marry them anymore uh and so i don't think i i think that that's what we're seeing
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is an increasing degradation of what it means to be like a male and dating in china and that's leading
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to the lower marriage rate in terms of the divorce rate changes i mean contrast the implications on the
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decision in china it's just giving you time to cool off if you have like a hot head but in the united
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states there's many women who get divorced and just feel like it's nothing but positives for them
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they get to 100 they get the guys who are dating to help support them they get to you know have
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their old partner have paid them a ton of money every month or something like that yeah and they
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get full control over the kids so you know they don't even have to worry about like any sort of
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compromises they were making in terms of child rearing you know they want to transition them just go
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ahead which which happens a lot in these cases well yeah and there has been i forget exactly where this
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happened but wasn't there legislation in some states that would actually put your odds of getting
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any custody at risk if you were documented as fighting a child's transition well there was a
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true everywhere there was a common divorce tactic is the mom would try to convince the kid that they
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were trans or at least question the thing and if the dad was not 100 on board it's very easy to get
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custody taken away from him and i would argue that a huge chunk of child transitions come from that
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specific scenario because it is so common in court cases which of course think about it from the
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perspective of like a sociopathic mom right like well if i can convince them they're trans and the dad
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or even just to question things and the dad is like no she's just doing this as a tactic in court or
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something you know which is what a sane dad would do it's easy to win that particular case exactly but i
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think that like women just had it so easy and now they're like oh this is hard now why isn't this leading
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to a reduction in divorces in the united states because i think that this is a mindset that women
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often adapt long after they get married i think very few women in the united states go into a
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marriage with the intention of eventually getting a divorce i think that they are expecting even if
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the guy's like rich or something they expect him to die they don't like him that much they i think
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very few are like okay i'm just gonna go in i'm gonna wait till i can get a divorce and then i get this
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sweet alimony payment or anything like that they think things are going to work out so they do not
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consider the implication of the changed laws the changed laws just make it easier for their group
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of divorced friends to tell them how great it is to be divorced yeah that's not at least the people
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interviewed in the wall street journal article covering this don't cite that exactly they in terms
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of like these these are lawyers and stuff who are talking with their clients about it many of them are
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choosing to not get divorced because they're like well if i have to share custody 50 50 anyway i'm
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basically seeing my partner all the time and i might as well just work it out so it's even a little
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bit scaled back from that like if we're talking about the acts of reasonable people which is
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sometimes the case in divorce right they're just like like if i can't just walk away entirely very
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conveniently i might as well work this out and i think that's that's meaningful and interesting and
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i think a lot better for kids to have a father but the of course the critics are are concerned that
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people aren't leaving abusive partners in order to protect their children like oh my husband hit me
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i can't let him have half custody because he'll hit my kid and there were cases in which mothers were
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subject to domestic abuse but because the children were not abused the the children still got
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like we're with 50 50 custody i i think that's fine and in the law i just want to point out that
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that if one parent is subject to a domestic violence order so this is even from a mother
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the presumption of 50 50 custody is is automatically overturned so it really depends on the case and i
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think that the these cases in which women are like but i was abused and now i have to share custody
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are not actually representative of what the law actually says and i think it's really similar to how
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things like the don't say don't say gay legislation was framed where it was framed as oh you literally
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can't mention the concept of same-sex attraction when it really was something very different
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so we have an episode on this it's quite old at this point i only remember it had like a
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an outline of a body on like the floor or something and it was something because i didn't want to put in
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the title like stuff you're not allowed to talk about or the woman question or something and in this
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when we go into domestic violence and i i would say it is it is really not a good sign for the woman if
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there is domestic violence in the house and the woman is the only one who's subject to it and the
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kids are not like that shows that it's not that the guy has a bad temper or something like that because
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in the episode i pointed out there's been instances that i know of where domestic violence happened sorry
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and i'll put this here so i can replace what i said earlier so no one clips me out of context
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but what i'd say is sometimes domestic abuse is not as cut and dry as we make it out to be
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societally speaking okay and what i paired this with in that episode was the statistics around domestic
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abuse between female female couples male male couples and male female couples and if you look at male
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female couples versus female female couples it's way higher in female female couples um i decided to go look
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at the actual statistics just to make sure i was getting this right and yes what i remembered is
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accurate if you're looking at overall violence in relationships for women it's 35 percent are subject
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to it in heterosexual relationships and for men it's 29 percent what you'll see is male male gay
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relationships have lower than either of those rates at 26 percent and female female have much higher than
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either of those rates at 43.8 percent uh what's really interesting is that bisexuals in mixed
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relationships have some of the highest rates of abuse with 61.1 percent in women and 37.3 percent in men
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now if you look at physical violence here you see for females in a relationship it's 29.8 percent for
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males in a relationship it's 26.3 percent male male it's lower than either of those 24 percent female female
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it's way higher than either of those at 36.3 percent and then again for bisexual relationships
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it's much higher than either of those at 55.1 percent for women and 27 percent for men
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so it seems that the more women you have in a relationship the more abuse is going to be had within that
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relationship the other takeaway i'd have for this chart which may be worthy of another episode later to dig
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more into this is that bisexual people are extremely abusive with both bisexual men and women but particularly
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bisexual men being so so like actually comically abusive that over half of them well over half of
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them 61 are abusing their partner with physical violence 55.1 and then for severe physical
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violence 49.3 of women who are married to a bisexual man have been subject to severe physical
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violence that's wild and the the male male couples are sort of all over the place i've seen ones where
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it's lower than heterosexual relationships and i've seen one where it's higher than heterosexual
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relationships so i can't easily judge on that but it does look like broadly or sort of average male
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male is lower domestic violence female male is medium domestic violence female female is very
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high domestic violence which seems to say that the key inciting factor is the female
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yeah not not a great look but in general laws just haven't really kept up with a lot of these
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things and it's this is just huge i just i had no idea that it had already spread to more states so
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this is this is really notable and hopefully will lead to much better outcomes for kids and lower
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lower lower burdens on on men who are being unfairly treated in this case but let's switch
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to men suing over abortions and the texas heartbeat act because this is also fascinating so in short the
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texas heartbeat app enables any person including estranged partners like you know completely no contact
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ex-boyfriend to sue those who quote-unquote aid and abet abortions post-cardiac activity so once you have
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a heartbeat with the baby and men in several cases have leveraged this law to pursue litigation against
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women's friends providers that is just like how they target their friends this is fascinating yeah
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i'm gonna go i'm gonna go into some lawsuits to give you some examples but basically the as the wall
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street journal reported on this quote the law's unique aspect is its enforcement mechanism it relies on
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civil lawsuits brought by private citizens rather than government action allowing them to sue anyone who
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performs or facilitates an illegal abortion end quote what i like about this what i think is really
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elegant about this is i see this as a really cool tool of cultural sovereignty where it's not like
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this state is going to sue and persecute you for getting an abortion it's more like okay well within our
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culture this is not cool and i'm gonna go after you for it and i'm allowed to so explain how this works
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because it's not the state okay so it's not like the state says abortion is illegal it's like it's
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illegal from the perspective of the individuals involved in the case specifically the father
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being wrong and so the father is the only one who's allowed to sue in these cases yeah like there
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have been cases for example where oh let's see if i have this listed here because i read about this
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okay i didn't put it in my notes but there was a case basically of a doctor who in a newspaper
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in a newspaper editorial admitted to performing basically like an illegal abortion or whatever
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like without a father's consent on a woman in defiance of this act as like a legal act of protest
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oh so now in texas you need the father's consent to get an abortion oh hold on let me just pull up the
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actual thing editorial hold on hold on hold on just give me a moment so i want to i want to get
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the facts straight on this an interesting example is the dr alan braid lawsuit dr alan braid a texas
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physician publicly admitted to performing an abortion in violation of sb8 that's the texas heartbeat act
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in a washington post op-ed as an act of civil disobedience anti-abortion activists tried to sue braid
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under sb8 but a texas judge ruled in december 2022 that the plaintiff lacked legal standing to sue because
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he suffered no personal injury from the abortion so again this is an example of a law that only can be
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essentially enforced or like where someone can only be held liable if they are violating basically a couple's
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cultural sovereignty or one member of the couple's sovereignty the ai whether or not people other
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than the father i.e the father's parents are allowed to sue under this law or the girl's parents are
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allowed to sue under this law okay and then also ask does does this mean that doctors in texas have
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to ask the consent of the father okay so ask those two questions and let me know the answer per the texas
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heartbeat act can anyone aside from the aggrieved father of the aborted child sue people who aided
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the abortion under the texas heartbeat act practically any private citizen not just the
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aggrieved father may bring a civil lawsuit against anyone who performs or aids and abets an abortion
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after fetal cardiac activity is detected the law is intentionally broad and does not require the
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plaintiff to have any direct connection to the woman the pregnancy or the family involved
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the only statutory exclusions are that the state or local officers cannot sue and that the suits
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cannot be brought against the woman who obtained the abortion herself oh interesting no so the judge
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was sort of acting outside of the bounds of the case by saying that and that the parents could sue
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even the girl's parents could sue yeah that's really interesting although no no it says however while
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the law deputizes private citizens to sue courts have ruled okay so yeah this is this is like a sort of a
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precedent-based pushback courts have ruled that some plaintiffs may lack constitutional standing oh so
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they're using the constitution as a pushback on this constitutional standing if they cannot allege
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a concrete and personal injury judges have discretion to dismiss cases where the plaintiff is not
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personally harmed though the statute still allows nearly any third party to file suit the constitutional
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issue of judicial standing remains hotly debated in summary anyone regardless of involvement can file a
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lawsuit under sb8 except for government actors and the woman herself oh okay that that means that
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the woman who got the abortion can't sue like her provider um it's not that the woman is is has immunity
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um they're not all claims will necessarily succeed if the court standing requirements are not met
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so yeah i mean that makes sense the constitution is one of those things we're like
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you don't mess with it right so but i still think that this is super super cool as a form of
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legislation because you know how we are we're like don't use laws to impose your culture on everyone
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allow people to like basically enforce their own culture but this still gives people of specific
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cultures a legal mechanism for recourse because sometimes you you need that you know like if
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other other if you don't have that you're gonna have like honor killings and stuff
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right and this enables us to maintain civil civil stability while also not imposing the same laws on
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everyone yes and and i i will note that i totally understand from a guy's perspective it is feels very
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unfair that the woman gets to unilaterally decide whether or not the baby is kept when and women are
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always like but it's in her body she's the one that suffers and it's like brah a man suffers much
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more over the course of his life with child support than a woman suffers over pregnancy the well that's
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assuming that the woman like gives the baby up for adoption if that's the baby she doesn't want
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my stance on it is if if a woman wants a an abortion and a man doesn't then the man has to accept full
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custody and pay the going rate for surrogacy that that that no i don't think because they had
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consensual sex so if a woman wants the woman may well have been on birth control there are so many
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cases of women who go on birth control right but then i think that that's still the the the it's
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it's not surrogacy you can say the full cost of the birth at the hospital that's no no i think full
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cost of surrogacy is fair how is it is really expensive if it was consensual sex but the woman
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was on birth control she clearly didn't consent to get pregnant and it's it should be on men equally
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they both consented to have sex though yeah but but the woman didn't consent to get pregnant
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potential consequence of sex regardless of whether or not you're on birth control this is this is what
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can happen from sex accepting and on risk you are consenting to get pregnant when you have sex and i
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note here that even if you do take simone's original i think i convinced her here perspective on this
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the man then if sex consent to sex isn't consent to children the man then is not consenting to
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children and should be able to demand an abortion of the woman if she got pregnant when he was on
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birth control which i just think is absurd yeah i mean i guess the chilling effect of this which i
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mean many women pointed out when dobs happened yes it was like it was like then i just am not going
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to have sex which you're like and yeah that's great idea that stop being such a slut um no but i want
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you to go to the second question i wanted you to ask ai in relation to this which is do doctors
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generally in texas now proactively get the husband's consent or the the male partner's consent
00:26:01.720
oh because it said that he like intentionally did this so i'll let you ask it
00:26:05.720
following the texas heartbeat act do abortion providers in texas now by default ask for paternal
00:26:17.000
consent before proceeding with abortions no abortion providers do not ask for paternal consent before
00:26:22.620
proceeding with abortions even following the texas heartbeat act and subsequent state restrictions
00:26:26.680
under current texas law abortion is nearly prohibited except in cases of medical emergency
00:26:31.360
but consent requirements pertain only to the pregnant patient and in the case of minors
00:26:36.200
parental consent so the answer is basically no but let's go through some interesting lawsuits
00:26:40.420
because this shows who can be sued and it's not always the woman so we have some notable cases
00:26:46.020
marcus silva versus ex-wife's friends in galveston marcus silver sued his ex-wife silva sued his ex-wife's
00:26:55.980
friends for wrongful death after they allegedly aided her in obtaining abortion pills silva sought one
00:27:02.700
million in damages from each friend alleging their actions facilitated an abortion after silva's ex-wife
00:27:09.540
became pregnant during divorce proceedings and what was she doing sleeping with him during divorce
00:27:14.800
proceedings but wait explain this to me so she the the woman who was getting divorced with her husband
00:27:20.420
got pregnant during the divorce and then she had an abortion after that and she was sued for that
00:27:27.780
no she wasn't sued her friends were sued he he sought one million in damages from each friend how much
00:27:36.760
did he win no so the suit was was actually dropped without any damages paid but it did set a precedent
00:27:43.200
for potential litigation by men claiming harm from abortions performed without their knowledge or consent
00:27:48.480
and and while the ex-wife herself was not named in the suit she did provide text evidence suggesting
00:27:54.040
that silva threatened the lawsuit to exert control during the divorce but also like they were up to some
00:27:59.820
both of them shenanigans i mean who's you don't you don't sleep with the enemy when you're getting divorced
00:28:07.260
don't do it if you're getting if you're sleeping together work it out you know like you don't get to
00:28:14.040
and typically yes you can have your cake and eat it too but like this is one of those cases where i'm like dude
00:28:20.040
this is on you so we also have jerry rodriguez versus california abortion doctor in 2025 a houston
00:28:27.040
man named jerry rodriguez sued a california physician named dr remy coito allegedly for
00:28:34.500
well for allegedly mailing abortion pills to rodriguez friend so keep in mind like because abortions are
00:28:41.500
basically not an option in texas right now this is a california doctor mailing um so they were able
00:28:47.720
to sue a california doctor did they do it successfully so by the way this resulted in the
00:28:55.020
termination of two pregnancies that rodriguez claims were his so this this happened a lot
00:28:59.560
so just just for context that rodriguez accused the doctor not the woman and seeks damages as the
00:29:05.820
father of the unborn children aiming to set a national precedent for similar claims by fathers using sb8
00:29:11.120
federal law the case cites both texas heartbeat act and the comstock act testing cross states i think
00:29:17.440
it's still going on liability for abortion access i'll ask if it's ongoing was resolved settled is it
00:29:27.140
ongoing god i want my finger back my gosh there's a lot of news coverage on it it's ongoing as of
00:29:34.520
september 2025 which is when we're recording this i know we filmed this episode a while ago so that date
00:29:39.940
might have surprised you but i went over to see as of this morning if any information had come out
00:29:45.400
on the case yet and no so we don't know we don't know yet what's going to happen again this stuff is
00:29:50.840
new this is a new wave and that's why this is so exciting and then we have colin davis inquiry in
00:29:57.400
brazos county in a case highlighted by cnn colin davis sought a court order to depose a woman
00:30:02.960
who traveled to colorado to terminate a pregnancy after discovering davis was the father
00:30:07.720
burn davis claimed potential wrongful death and demanded records aiming to explore legal liability
00:30:15.080
for out-of-state abortions under texas sb8 though no damages or direct civil suit against the woman
00:30:20.680
herself was reported so this is also showing a rise in people basically trying to go after women who are
00:30:27.440
crossing state lines via mail or physically to get abortions of children that are theirs but again
00:30:35.700
anyone can sue over this as long as the court thinks that they're being my wider thing on abortion
00:30:40.640
if people are like what are your thoughts on when it should be like should states have the right to
00:30:45.260
make this illegal i absolutely do think states should have the right to do this but i think at a federal
00:30:50.160
level that's quite something different to me i'd think a federal abortion ban i would be pretty opposed
00:30:55.240
to i mean i want to highlight because this came up in the comments of our video that ran today
00:30:59.740
on harems and polygamy banning abortions is not going to increase the birth rate
00:31:04.680
all right did people say that that would increase the birth rate yes people still believe this i don't
00:31:10.260
know why people if you look at a map of europe and you look at a map of the fertility rate of each
00:31:15.600
individual country the more restrictive abortions are within a country the lower fertility rate it is
00:31:20.020
almost one per one yeah guys yeah we we may not be the hugest fans of abortion especially after
00:31:25.940
basically a an infant can feel pain you know like it's clear that they have a working brain
00:31:32.540
and nerves because we think that's going to solve the fertility crisis gee whiz people but what i would
00:31:41.020
say is that i think the states banning abortion is completely practical and that's just enforcing their
00:31:46.960
own cultural system and there's varying cultural systems and beliefs around when life begins
00:31:51.400
um and it's okay for for a region to exercise their norms around that and then somebody's like well what
00:31:56.980
if somebody from outside that region you know lives in that region right or somebody with a different
00:32:01.180
cultural value and it's like there are all sorts of cultural norms that i have to obey because of
00:32:08.160
the region i just happen to be in right this is i i mean a muslim said this really well in the you know
00:32:15.100
the one who was talking in canada he's like he's like oh well one day muslims are going to be a
00:32:19.720
majority here and then being gay will be illegal because we he goes it's your own statistics in
00:32:25.040
your face but he makes a point then this is the guy who just is so enthusiastically like we're just
00:32:30.420
going to replace you is he's like look you have laws that i don't always agree with that i have to
00:32:37.560
obey when i'm in your country when you guys are the majority why would you not have to obey the laws
00:32:43.540
when we become the majority in this country what would happen to a gay couple in gaza executed
00:32:48.780
according to islamic law islam doesn't endorse gays islam doesn't endorse homosexuality just like
00:32:54.860
canada doesn't endorse a lot of things so would you like to see sharia law in canada replace canadian
00:32:59.160
law at some point it will you know because we are we have families we are making babies you're not
00:33:04.700
your population is going down the slump right and by 2060 according to pure research institute
00:33:10.420
your research by 2060 muslims will be the biggest religious group the world over what are you going
00:33:17.020
to do then actually go post sharia is even then well you know what i'm very appreciative of the
00:33:23.140
honesty we don't usually get that one day we can have a muslim majority nation here in canada
00:33:27.300
right in your face like for example i do not i think you know piracy bans are far too restrictive or
00:33:35.560
something like that that doesn't mean i don't think that you should legally be allowed to have
00:33:39.280
you know internet piracy bans or when i was in you know korea right like pornography is illegal in
00:33:46.900
korea i don't think that that is something that a country should have the right to impose upon its
00:33:52.160
citizens or even within a state right because in some states now you have the weird like you know
00:33:56.700
they check your age and everything first i i wouldn't want that within my cultural system because
00:34:02.140
i think it can be used to track citizens and what they're doing still your id my god but but i
00:34:08.180
understand why that a state's allowed to implement that and i am supportive of that because if you
00:34:14.500
are not of that culture then you can move to a region people are like well not everyone can afford
00:34:19.000
to move not everyone can and it's like no most people can move it would require a drastic reduction
00:34:26.380
in lifestyle but homeless people move all the time so like clearly you can afford to move what you mean
00:34:32.560
is you don't want to deal with the hit to your career or lifestyle that a move would entail
00:34:36.200
well also i mean to go back to the the conduct kentucky divorce laws there was a man who was
00:34:43.420
interviewed in this who i think was an activist fighting for this legislation in the first place
00:34:48.060
who literally felt him because he loved his kids so much he moved to where his wife was living and got
00:34:56.900
the the only job he could get a really crappy job i think working at a soap factory yeah so he could
00:35:02.680
have a piddling amount of customers with his kids like spend a few days with them in in his sad little
00:35:11.520
house so we we we are putting a lot of attention to like oh here's what's being lost for for many
00:35:19.900
people in light of this new legislation without giving much thought to how much men and i mean
00:35:29.600
let alone the killed unborn children have been hurt before this was passed and i think that that that
00:35:37.240
needs more airtime yeah no i agree but the larger point i'm making are that people can be like well
00:35:43.840
why if you think something is immoral are you okay with people of different cultural groups doing it
00:35:47.500
i mean it's not that i think it's moral when those cultural groups do it it's just i think it is
00:35:51.740
impractical and it leads to really bad moral externalities to attempt to force your moral
00:35:58.180
system on the entire world you can watch our video where we discuss in pakistan the religious court like
00:36:03.860
the islamic religious court said that when the government you know under like western secular
00:36:09.800
scrutiny banned child marriages and they said this is islamic phobic and i'm like you know it may not be
00:36:15.580
true of every form of islam but certainly within their islamic culture that they the religious
00:36:19.460
leaders felt that way i mean that it was an attack on their communities now i do not think kids should
00:36:25.460
be forced to get married which is often what's happening in these instances but am i gonna you
00:36:30.100
know deploy a force to pakistan to force them to follow my way of living and everything you know no
00:36:35.140
there's a huge negative externality to do that right yeah but let's talk about beyond this
00:36:42.800
other instances of men actually successfully fighting back because beyond the 50 50 custody
00:36:48.340
advancements and and the heartbeat act there are several clear and concrete outcomes from men's right
00:36:54.680
advocacy in the united states that are blowing my mind because i just thought this would never happen
00:36:59.980
by the way funny funny side note here on abortion at one point we were approached by this guy
00:37:05.000
from like right-wing circles who was actually raising a pro-abortion fund because he was part of the
00:37:12.600
you know like scientific racism like actually racist view so for the same thing that planned
00:37:17.760
parenthood was all pro-abortion yes well originally yeah this was the same i mean and planned parenthood
00:37:22.940
is still i think 89 percent of them are in minority communities and i think the majority of are the
00:37:27.200
majority of abortions minorities like i think they're huge i mean historically they were pretty sure they
00:37:32.320
still are yeah and and that's specifically what he wanted to fund was abortion clinics in minority
00:37:37.400
neighborhoods and i'm like oh my god i mean it would be fire up the gas chambers i i i think it's a
00:37:44.240
a fun thing for somebody of their perspective to do no it's i mean it's it's the uh however
00:37:50.420
effective altruism of the we want to no but but the reason why is either it resolves with more minority
00:37:58.380
communities like actually grokking that abortion was actually trying to genocide them and like they
00:38:03.940
should be against it and make oh that's true yeah i mean you could even argue that someone who
00:38:08.320
basically i mean i think partisan was actually to to fund a lot of this and then be like surprise
00:38:14.200
yeah now do you do you get it now do you get it now yeah like do you get it now so you get to
00:38:20.420
choose either it's great what planned parenthood is doing oh that's some 5d chess right there
00:38:25.860
damn okay you know and and the cynicism to be like yeah i'll kill a few babies if it makes my
00:38:33.640
message if it makes my point yeah like if in the end it gets people to actually be like wait this was
00:38:39.000
another because i mean the black community has suffered so many genuine medical conspiracies
00:38:45.160
and if if this can finally be revealed as yet another of like hey you've been systematically
00:38:53.100
leading your children because predominantly white people want you to would be great i want that to
00:38:59.600
become a pervasive meme because however you feel about abortion it's pretty messed up understatement
00:39:07.460
but yeah any other instances of men fighting back because again this is mind-blowing i just thought it
00:39:12.060
would never happen there have been successful lawsuits on employment anti-discrimination against men
00:39:17.700
did you know that wait what i know so there was a supreme court do teams for only hiring women
00:39:25.560
yeah let me give you do that for that director team that came to our house and it was all women
00:39:30.220
well yeah but the thing is i don't think anyone knows these have been successful but i think there's
00:39:35.380
this like undercurrent and it's gonna bubble up like a giant geyser of freedom for men but so yeah
00:39:42.020
the supreme there's a supreme court ruling on on equal standards in 2025 the supreme court and this
00:39:47.760
that's this year's this is just happening the supreme court unanimously held that men and majority group
00:39:54.220
employees cannot be held to a higher standard of proof than other groups in employment discrimination
00:39:59.620
lawsuits this ruling set a nationwide precedent for fair and equal treatment entitled sorry entitled 12
00:40:08.320
claims brought by male employees then there's the reverse discrimination lawsuits there are multiple
00:40:13.940
seven figure employment law settlements involving men who won claims of being disadvantaged or terminated
00:40:21.420
during diversity initiatives due to gender for example in 2024 a white male executive won a
00:40:27.980
significant sum for being replaced by a less experienced woman under a corporate diversity plan
00:40:32.800
although punitive damages were limited by the court so progress yes and then there's also eeoc
00:40:39.940
enforcement actions the equal opportunity commission sorry equal employment opportunity commission the eeoc
00:40:45.220
has represented male workers and gender discrimination suits leading to company settlements that revised
00:40:52.140
internal hr policies ensuring men receive the same protection as women regarding layoffs promotions and pay
00:40:59.180
and this is meaningful because so many white men we know including you have been told like hey off the
00:41:08.180
record we can't hire you yeah even though you are more qualified than the other people were hiring
00:41:13.900
and it this was just i it was kind of understood among everyone this has happened to including you
00:41:20.800
that there's absolutely no way this is ever going to be stopped there's nothing you can do about it
00:41:25.100
basically like that career path is written off this is changing and then there are also some broader
00:41:31.840
legal and regulatory outcomes so the national center for men litigation is a group that is supported and
00:41:36.740
occasionally won cases regarding paternity fraud reproductive rights such as notification before adoption
00:41:42.300
and opposition to male only draft registration which is is influencing ongoing policy debates at the
00:41:49.540
state and federal levels so this is shaping new legislation and then there are some changing
00:41:54.700
alimony and child support guidelines so some states and courts have have had decisions basically that
00:42:00.500
resulted in more gender neutral alimony and support awards which is reducing the gender gap in post-divorce
00:42:06.760
financial obligations which is again huge because as you pointed out at the beginning of this like
00:42:11.320
there's there's this very like adverse incentive for women to just get divorced because it's kind of more
00:42:17.700
convenient for them in that case and we see this in the data too that when there's a divorce
00:42:21.600
you look at the well-being of men versus women post-divorce and men well men's well-being goes down
00:42:28.840
women's well-being goes up so well yeah who's paying who often you know i know exactly it's up
00:42:35.700
oh so here's where i think we have a lot of room for improvement because and this is something that has
00:42:41.120
been pointed out repeatedly by people who watch and listen to base camp and chime in in the comments
00:42:46.020
paternity fraud so i i asked how common paternity fraud is in the usa it generally that the population
00:42:55.940
estimate from most current studies and genetic analyses suggest it's between one and five percent
00:43:01.640
but i lean more towards the finding of a 2023 scientific study published in science direct which found
00:43:08.040
that about five percent of 23,196 family tree dna users discovered an unexpected biological parent
00:43:16.720
i love that way of putting it which highlights just how common such surprises have become five percent
00:43:23.820
no i thought it was five percent in populations already suspecting it no that's the thing because here
00:43:29.840
we're looking at so in in cases already expecting it it's way higher court order dna tests see super high
00:43:36.940
rates of this in cases where paternity is legally disputed and dna testing is ordered by courts
00:43:41.500
the exclusion rate is much higher between 12 and 30 percent so when i do i'm gonna do it suspect
00:43:47.160
but i mean i thought the five percent was of tests that were done
00:43:50.460
no so so that the 2023 study i cited looked at family tree dna users this is just one of those like
00:43:59.860
look at my ancestry websites wow yeah that's what i'm saying is this isn't cases in cases where there's
00:44:07.080
suspicion 12 to 30 percent it's not you're not the dad i've got to knock some other guys wives up like
00:44:13.820
that would be fun clearly there's a lot of i mean five percent five that means one in 20 kids that
00:44:21.300
means one kid in like our kids classroom but then here's here's also where like one i'm like shocked
00:44:27.620
by how many people don't have the dads they expect but the punishments are so
00:44:35.180
nerfed in most jurisdictions paternity fraud is generally treated as a civil matter
00:44:41.460
rather than a crime and and there are some exceptions severe crime i think it should be
00:44:45.980
treated as as grand theft yeah well where so like here's what what what in nevada which is considered
00:44:53.280
like a really strict state about this like nevada is all we're like we support the men no they don't
00:44:59.800
because they they classify it as a gross misdemeanor oh my goodness but what does that that what's the
00:45:05.780
punishable sentence is is 364 days in jail a year minus a day and a two thousand dollar fine oh no
00:45:14.980
two thousand dollars for cucking you i just i can't two thousand dollars you said two thousand
00:45:21.660
dollars and oh my god less than a year in jail which of course probably doesn't even get enforced
00:45:28.880
because oh she's a mother she needs to be there for the child of course it's it's basically a two
00:45:34.160
thousand dollar fine in the strict state okay in most cases it's just civil knowingly misrepresenting
00:45:40.860
a child's paternity may in some states constitute fraud and be subject to criminal penalties like
00:45:45.500
fines or imprisonment which is like what the case in nevada but again the imprisonment is basically not
00:45:50.200
going to happen basically criminal convictions are extremely rare given the burden of proving
00:45:56.120
deliberate intent to defraud like women could just be like oh i'm sorry i was just such a slut
00:46:02.480
i didn't realize yeah it's being a slut illegal now yeah sorry how do i keep track of it anyway
00:46:10.480
so it's also just really messed up how men get screwed over because in many states the defrauded
00:46:16.460
father must contest paternity within a certain legal time frame what and after this window closes it may
00:46:23.560
be impossible to pursue reimbursement or terminate support my understanding is after this time window
00:46:28.480
they actually are forced to pay child support yeah even in the case of a divorce yep yep yeah like time
00:46:35.000
the statute of limitations some some courts also in addition weigh the child's best interests
00:46:40.460
maintaining support and visitation even after the fraud is uncovered if a strong parent-child
00:46:45.500
relationship exists or if honestly they just think the child is better off so it's just really screwed
00:46:50.500
up so i mean what what malcolm does full transparency because some of the cases in which there's paternity
00:46:56.480
fraud it's not all just men being cucked by women who are sleeping with other people it's also
00:47:02.020
mix-ups at ivf clinics some intentional some unintentional like a sperm sample getting
00:47:06.140
this is why my dna tests well most of our kids like i sort of stopped doing it after a while
00:47:10.820
because there was never a mistake in all my kids very no you've done it with every single one of our
00:47:15.000
kids i have for the record yeah well because you think i won't really love them until after i've
00:47:21.300
gotten the test back no man you're like i'd feel more comfortable with it and then you always like
00:47:25.920
i don't you have this reaction when the infants come home watch it's going to happen again with text
00:47:30.900
next week next week where you're gonna be like i don't know what is that this is crying worm like
00:47:41.920
you're not a baby person and i feel like one of your mental coping mechanisms for not feeling a strong
00:47:47.940
bond to infants because not every man like 10 of men are like baby men they love babies let me hold the
00:47:53.680
baby i love babies and like the other men are like hand it to me when it's more baked but i think
00:48:00.780
that your coping mechanism is like i don't feel anything and i know that i should be feeling
00:48:05.880
something because society like lies to men about like oh no you'll be in love it's going to be the
00:48:09.800
most magical moment to you ever and they don't feel that so then you're like okay well it must be that
00:48:14.440
like i can intuitively sense that i'm not actually the father and then at that point you get the
00:48:20.040
paternity test and maybe it gives you some some comfort i'm not sure i think you're
00:48:24.920
yeah so this this this embryo comes from the same batch as titan and industry the odds that he
00:48:33.380
is not you know like the sperm was mixed up with that ivf batch yeah i mean after two of them have
00:48:40.580
been confirmed to be yours is pretty low i think you're safe maybe we can save the money if you're
00:48:46.360
up for it but i welcome it still so even even when there's no like actual cocking that takes place
00:48:52.980
again like legally men have so little discourse so i feel like this should be the next area where
00:48:59.140
i mean if we if we're getting this momentum right if men are you know the return of men they're
00:49:04.700
striking they're striking back they're they're the revenge of the man it let's focus on paternity
00:49:10.200
fraud because that's terrifying i love you to best simone i love you too malcolm and thank you for not
00:49:16.840
divorce graping me and taking all my stuff well i had the chance you have delightful kids
00:49:22.260
things are are weird so uh question yeah how did the episode do today the one on me getting a harem
00:49:30.720
the number of comments that it elicited blew my mind because it wasn't like in terms of performance
00:49:38.440
it wasn't our best episode of the past seven like it started out strong and now i think it's eight out
00:49:43.820
of ten and yet it has a ton of comments so if i look at comments relative to what we're used to
00:49:51.940
it's kind of mind-blowing to me people had a lot of fun discussing it clearly i thought it would do
00:49:59.400
well me too that's why i outlined it there it is sorry
00:50:03.880
yeah so it currently has 600 comments which is a lot for our episodes so our last our last episode
00:50:17.600
for jimmy kimmel had 573 but then there was 379 257 whoa the one on the trans community's involvement
00:50:28.120
has now 1916 comments okay so i guess after some days pass they rack up that's wild but what did
00:50:35.440
people have to say were there common they thought that the fight at the end was brutal and very
00:50:43.700
entertaining that was a brutal fight yeah terrifying they they were amused by our differences in opinion
00:50:54.720
about the merits of making our marriage into a harem marriage people like yeah malcolm get a get a
00:51:03.100
second and third wife oh and then i mean a lot of people i guess they didn't watch the video because
00:51:09.680
we fully acknowledge this in in our conversation that society is worse off with polygamy or without
00:51:17.760
talk about it a lot though like yeah we acknowledged it we didn't like make it the i mean i feel like it's a
00:51:23.680
truth universally acknowledged that societies are worse off they're polygamous but we're we're looking
00:51:28.960
at and maybe i should have made this point in the episode we're looking at a future in which regardless
00:51:33.300
most most people in society are going to be broadly disenfranchised so if we're looking at a future
00:51:41.280
where already people are screwed already people are free radicals and unmarried does it really matter
00:51:46.980
that much that we try to find solutions to collect more people that could have potential maybe not
00:51:56.140
because otherwise what i think the future is is just the same number of unmarried men and women who are
00:52:02.520
economically disempowered and disenfranchised and politically disenfranchised but maybe
00:52:08.480
some of those women god this sounds terrible could be put to use as
00:52:23.220
i you know what we're not going to talk about this anymore i i don't i give up did you see the did you
00:52:30.820
see the attack thing that was found at the un today oh because unga is happening in new york remember
00:52:36.720
when we hosted parties in new york we didn't realize it was during unga and the traffic was
00:52:42.140
so bad you could basically not move anywhere in the city yeah so we they set up like a hundred
00:52:49.340
thousand like sim cards in a way that would have crashed new york's cell phone system and
00:52:53.260
well it's interesting work it didn't work i was trying to prep an episode on it i just couldn't get
00:52:59.120
enough information so maybe after more information comes out but what's interesting about it is it
00:53:03.540
appears that it was likely in preparation for something else because it required enough
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sophistication that they said it was probably a state-level player but a state-level player
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seems kind of assaulty if we're getting all high tech here well they don't just care about shutting
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down all the phones in new york like that doesn't buy you that much disruption or anything like that
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yeah that doing that in connection with something else is the thing is the point right yes so the
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question is what was the else that they had planned an assassination a you know who knows but uh thank
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goodness some unnamed jack bauer has just stopped all that from happening what what happened jack bauer
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i don't understand you we're old do you remember the tv show 24 no i remember like dun dun and
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yeah the best thing about 24 as a show wasn't actually the show itself which was just very stressful
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this man like never had a chance to take a potty break but it was basically about him like saving
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the world because he only had 24 hours to do it and i think he was working for the government
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but there's this amazing like japanese song about him where they pronounce his name
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and it's the best thing in the entire world and that's all i can think about
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let's get into it i'll let you get started and i mean i'm just really excited to be pushing
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forward with r5 just so people know on the r5.ai there's been a ton of improvements on the back end
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but we're trying to sort of synthesize them all so we can get a new stable front end running which is
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what you would have access to so your r5.ai but uh applying to andresen again both of our projects
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made it to the final round last time to their speed run program yeah so we'll see i would by
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the way if anyone's watching and you and you know people making judgments in the speed run program
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you know say hey malcolm and simona pretty cool oh that would be that would be nice yeah right
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just for people who are wondering this episode was recorded a while ago so the r5.ai stuff has mostly
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been uploaded now we still have a number of bugs on the site that we're working through i mean i hope to
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have it done by this weekend the most annoying ones for me are cloud saves being deleted but i think
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local saves are still persistent in between updates oh and the pages that list all of the optional
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scenarios you have to reload them for them to work sometimes but maybe we fix that so other than that
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i don't know i'm impressed with what we've gotten together we didn't end up getting into the speed
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run program so you don't need to put in a good word for us but if the project sounds interesting to you
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or if you've tried it and you're like oh this is actually pretty good compared to the other sites
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let us know oh and also to everyone who has taken the time to try it while it's been in this
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developmental stage i know it's a pain i really appreciate it do you guys like playing in the rain
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no you do not go into that puddle torsten do not you will get soaked
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why how can it get soaked it's too deep it's not even a puddle it's like a lake
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no you will not go into it because you will sink
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no you will not go into it because you will be able to sense from this side here
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yeah you're not sinking in that one so you can jump
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yeah because you were running and i told you to stop
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because i didn't want you to fall and get muddy