Based Camp - September 16, 2024
Was it a Mistake to Defund the Police? (Asks Local Idiot) The Free Money Glitch to High Crime
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1 hour and 18 minutes
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177.89229
Summary
In this episode, we discuss new forms of crime and crime waves that are hitting major American cities at the moment and transforming the nature of business in these cities. For example, what would shopping be like if you could walk into a store, grab what you want and just go? What would shopping look like?
Transcript
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hello simone today we are going to be talking about an interesting topic one is new forms of
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crime and crime waves that are hitting major american cities at the moment and transforming
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the nature of business in these cities if you could walk into a store grab what you want and
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just go what would shopping look like oh my god call the police welcome to amazon go
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recently there was a tiktok trend that was called the the chase money glitch
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twins twins i'm not even gonna lie i'm not even supposed to condone in this type of behavior due
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to the direction that i'm trying to project my life in but that chase bait plate looking too
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sweet right now twins no cap i could just hit one chase bait plate oh man they really told me to
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tap in next day was supposed to clear look at my account yo because i have thirty thousand dollars
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in credit card debt when they call i tell them i can't pay it back yet credit card debt i'm so excited
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about this is that despite what people think there is actually pretty strong evidence that crime in
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the current day and age is at one of its highest levels in human history that's meaningful because
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normally the trend is oh you watch the news you think crime is so bad when really crime has never
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been lower and crime is going down just to quickly know where this number comes from specifically what
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they do at if they correlate crime rates across cultures with homicide rates which are much easier
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to track in absolute amounts right because many people have things stolen from them and just never
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report it or even that reporting just gets lost and so it's not good what they do is they correlate
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the homicide rates with correcting for survival rates due to advances in medical technology
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and when you correct for that what looks like a dropping crime rate is actually a quickly rising crime
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rate right because the issue is that in what really we were looking at was oh our hospitals have gotten
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a lot better it's not crime has gone down it's that now when you get shot you're more likely to live
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which is nice i guess also could be going over a phenomenon where police have basically given up or it
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looks like from the data uh people are just not being convicted anymore can you blame them also a
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lot of people are getting elected at all i mean it's such a thankless job today but let's get into the
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data because this is going to be a very data heavy episode and some of the individual claims here would
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you like to know more well the statistic i wanted to find that i just thought was absolutely insane and
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i have to find it somewhere is that in nyc your average retail store is being robbed on average once a day
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okay so i decided to do the math on this since 2021 full year numbers of shoplifting incidents have escalated
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up to 59 000 and that represents a nearly 35 increase so i took this 59 137 number and then i looked up how many
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stores are in manhattan and there are 750 and that gives us a any given store in manhattan is robbed
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on average 79 times per year um at this point but the big thing that's changed recently and they'll
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always talk about like oh crime rates are down to where they were before the pandemic but that's just
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not true yeah actually robberies have risen five percent year over year as anyone who has been to a place
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like manhattan would know like manhattan now every store everything is locked up like everywhere you
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go it is not like it used to be you've been to like a cvs in manhattan recently simone yeah everything
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is locked up you have to wait forever to get someone to unlock the shelf to help you which is very
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annoying right and that now new forms of crime because it's so easy to rob people have started
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where one form of crime started where because the new york had these outdoor seating areas for the
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restaurants during covid that weren't really part of a restaurant people would just go up and rob
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everyone who was sitting at them you know do a stick up ask for their wallets their phones everything
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like that well outdoor diners beware this surveillance video shows what's starting to look like a pattern
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of armed robberies at outside restaurants in this instance two men eating at marlo and sons in
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williamsburg were forced to hand over their watches there have been similar incidents at birds of a feather
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also in williamsburg and carbone in the village police are trying to figure out whether the
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holdups are connected and now they become more brazen and they're moving into is in the swanky parts
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of new york just going directly into the wealthy restaurants and just robbing everyone in the
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restaurant and then driving away and this has become a new type of crime this year that like i guess
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people hadn't thought of doing before just no but this used to be i this is i always used to see this
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as you know stick them up oh you know you go in and you uh you point a gun at everyone in a
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restaurant or something there's that famous scene from i think a quentin tarantino movie that it starts
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with a couple being like no more liquor stores what we've been talking about yeah no more liquor store
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and if it's not the gooks it's these old jews have owned a store for 15 generations you've got
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grandpa ervin sitting by the behind the counter with a magnum in his hand
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this place a coffee shop what's wrong with that nobody ever robs restaurants why not
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restaurants you catch with their pants down they're not expecting to get robbed
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customers one minute they're having a denver omelet next minute someone's sticking a gun in their face
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a lot of people come to restaurants a lot of walnuts
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pretty smart huh i love you i love you honey bunny everybody be cool this is a robbery
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any of you f***ing pricks move and i'll execute every mother f***ing last one of you
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i love you honey bear it's a pulp fiction there you go so i always saw that it's like the classic
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crime but that never happened do this at fancy restaurants not historically you did it at like
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yeah you did it at a diner but the smart people do it at fancy restaurants i'm just glad people
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have come around but one cinematic magic why wouldn't these people be doing this you know
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somebody's pointing on the comments in one of the videos i was watching of this that if you steal less
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than a thousand dollars a day you're not going to get jail time in the u.s but if you don't pay
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five hundred dollars in taxes to the irs you know your life gets ruined yeah and it is and and people
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are like how like if you're from other places in the u.s and i might play some video of like how
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brazenly these robberies are happening now your initial reaction is like how are people doing this
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without fear of being shot and this is just it's amazon go if you could walk into a store grab what you
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want and just go what would shopping look like oh my god call the police welcome to amazon go
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take whatever you like sometimes when i call 911 nobody answers
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no lines no checkout no seriously shoplifters don't seem to care who's watching once you've
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filling bags and backpacks in the middle of the day
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it's with that internet historian he's just grab it and go
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but that's different so robbing stores is one thing because most stores have a policy that says
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the employees can get fired for intervening with a robbery yeah for insurance reasons so so in other
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words because because these larger corporations have insurance policies that basically won't pay
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out properly if employees intervene because that can increase liability even more they they yeah
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they have these policies where you can't intervene which is really hard for employees
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because yeah they may like for the first yeah like once a day it's fine but then when the same person
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comes in the 15th time and steals another pair of lululemon leggings are you going oh yeah and we're
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going to talk about this because it is actually a very small number of people just doing it over and
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over and over again and and again why wouldn't they there is very little punishment and yeah
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they're being incentivized to do it effectively they're being rewarded every time they do it
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because they get the thing and they don't get caught well they don't get apprehended so as mcgold
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do you know who he is right no he's one of the most famous like talk youtubers fantastic guy i really
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love his content watch other people's videos i can't wait till he does one of ours and he was doing
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one on this crime spree and he was like confused as to how people thought they could get away with
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this without getting shot right and and because new york is a concealed carry state it's a super
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liberal state so who's doing it learn yeah is it's concealed carry yes but it's basically possible to
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get a concealed carry license so you have to do like 16 hours of courses and one person was talking
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about how they had done the 16 hours of courses denied the concealed carry license because they
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were quote unquote a 25 year old male and able to defend themselves without being
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you go to the office they look you up and down they're like you could cut a bitch like you don't
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need no but hold on this is insane because one it's like yeah but what if the criminal has a gun
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first of all are they supposed to like jujitsu somebody with a gun and then two yes like we know
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what happens in new york if you if they're basically saying no just beat them to death
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and it's like oh well i mean if you're a white man you just stand on their neck and they die or
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something isn't that how white people kill people i don't know no so there was the incidence of the
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the guy who was going around trying to kill people that that guy in the subway station
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threatening to kill people beating him to death and then they're like oh well i know we said that
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you're supposed to do this but he was black and you were white and that makes him a
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protected class so you know to jail for life with you it's it's absolutely insane how little
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incentive there is to not do this and there's another crazy thing that's going on in new york
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right now which is an increase in assaults due to tiktok and i'll put an article on screen here
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about this but there is a a a punching tiktoks are now pretty popular i was literally just walking
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and a man came up and punched me in the face stories from new york city women going viral on
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tiktok i literally just got punched by some man on the sidewalk their videos detailing how they're
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allegedly getting punched in the face completely unprovoked several women have posted these videos
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describing similar allegations in just the last week heli kate posted about an assault on monday
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she says she had to be treated at a local medical facility for injuries to the left side of her face
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oh my god it hurts so bad i can't even talk olivia brand posting updates on her own experience earlier
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this month after commenters on tiktok started connecting the two cases and like adding me and
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saying like look this girl went through something similar elio wagner says she was punched in the face
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by someone she didn't know last september broken down by week misdemeanor assaults are up 10 percent
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compared to the same period last year what else are we hearing about this one suspect that is in
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custody tonight this guy bokeh store he actually is a bit of a fringe political figure ran for mayor of
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new york city back in 2021 and he has now been charged with this assault for one of these cases
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oh no this whole thing i mean this comes up as a thing in the news every now and then where there's like
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the whatever game where supposedly impressionable teenagers are being convinced to go out and punch
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people and then post it on tiktok but i i don't i don't doubt that it happens in fact there's currently
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a lawsuit against tiktok taking place for a very different dangerous game in which it's called the choking
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game you know you can imagine the asphyxiation game at play here where one 10 year old girl actually
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died doing it of course and and the parent is trying game what is this where it shows you how to
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engage in auto asphyxiation yeah and it's just like do it it's on tiktok so it's fun so a 10 year
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old girl did it i mean thousands of people did it she died doing it the mother is trying to sue tiktok
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for serving an algorithm that that gave that to her which is like it's a difficult like legal thing
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to litigate but i mean who knows right but still like how they'll like take down slightly conservative
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content but they won't take down content showing kids how to off themselves i mean like it is wild
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how bad the the censorship is these days but simone to go further okay yes before we go further here
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so if we go to new york and we go to a fancy restaurant someone's gonna stick us up then
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we're gonna go outside some kid on tiktok's gonna punch us and then run away right that's that's life
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in new york right now i mean we're about to go to dc so buckle up now if you're if you're going into
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this and you're like well but black lives matter told me that black people want less cops so this is
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probably all a good thing you know there's fewer fewer cops if you can count it it's fewer if it's
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something like a mass where it's not countable like water then it's less
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okay so less cops anyway so there was this simone i'm not gonna fall for your your erudite grammar
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okay i speak like a man okay an american i use whatever word i want
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yeah um but anyway so if you're like but i was told by black lives matter that that and you know
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there's that that horrible like cucked comic where it's the individual who got their bike stolen and
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they're like i was sad because i got my bike stolen but then i was happy thinking that whoever took it
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probably needed it more than i did oh um and it's like wow have you cucked yourself and it turns out
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there's this one like mexican bike theft lord that's selling them in bulk across the border
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yeah it's not like it's not just one guy but your bike it's an industrialized stealing ring like yeah
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how dumb do you have to be to not understand how like basic types of thievery work stealing bikes as
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an individual isn't a good way to make money the individual who stole your bike was making minimum
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wage working for a drug lord basically probably not even making minimum wage probably being paid
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in small amounts in new york no no they can't afford new york minimum wage not in this economy
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got it is malcolm no being paid in math another person who famously shared a similar sentiment was
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the celebrity seth rogan dude i've lived here for over 20 years you're nuts uh-huh it's lovely here
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don't leave anything valuable in it it's called living in a big city you can be mad but i guess i don't
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personally view my car as an extension of myself and i've never really felt violated any of the 15
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or so times my car was broken into once a guy accidentally left a cool knife in my car so if
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it keeps happening you might get a little treat also it sucks your shit was stolen but la is not some
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shithole city as far as big cities go it has a lot of homeless people i mean a lot going for it
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he's also a pretty rampant antinatalist so there's that i mean it's pretty obvious that society is going
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to become a lot better as people like this remove themselves from the gene pool so you know i that's
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one of the many reasons why i'm actually quite psyched about fertility collapse i still don't want
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kids yeah it doesn't seem that fun and most of my friends who are parents god bless them spend a lot
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of their time talking about how much they don't like having kids uh and what me and my wife spent a lot
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of time talking about is how much fun stuff we can do because we don't have kids i think that that's
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actually pretty rad though because it's like not everybody that's not everybody's dream is to do
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that and a lot of people i just think it's important you say that but you don't need kids there's so many
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kids i know and that's the thing too yeah who looks at all the kids out there and thinks i wish there
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were more kids no i think there should be more voices that you don't need to have kids yeah you
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don't need to have kids also like won't the world not be here in 30 years
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the truth is is no while you are being told by progressives that blacks don't want police in
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their communities i'm gonna read a quote here and this is from cy post a very centrist organization
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most black americans favor maintaining or even increasing local police presence and funding
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according to a recent study published in the journal of criminal justice surprisingly this
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preference is more robust among black americans than non-black americans it holds steady regardless
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of changes in crime trends or information about policing reforms support for police however is reduced
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by negative feelings towards police and perceptions of unfairness and police procedures so black americans are
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more pro police than white americans and they want on average more police in their neighborhoods not
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less okay the idea that they want anything else is a not just a fiction it is a lie that victimizes
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black communities yeah we're seeing all people that are actually in a lot of these poor communities
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outside of the ones doing the crime are not defund the policers okay they know they need the
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fucking police it's always upper middle class people that think they have some kind of solidarity with
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poor people and so they want to take their right to safety away from them they're like oh we're gonna
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try to help you we're gonna we're gonna make your life better you're not gonna get arrested anymore by
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these mean police officers it's crazy man and the reason why they don't get it is because they live
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such sheltered privileged lives that they've never needed police it's never been a problem okay so let's
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let's start with that but now we are gonna go into the stats and i'm gonna be putting some graphs on
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screen here and we're gonna have a lot of fun okay who's dad and this comes from an aporia piece
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called murder as a measuring stick in aporia you know we know matt who runs it i actually he stepped
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down yeah yeah but anyway great great magazine i remember the last time we went to it because we
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were mentioning it on the podcast and i go to it and the front page of the magazine is one of our
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child's faces for the front page article that day and no one had asked us no i had sent that to diana
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fleishman who wrote the article oh you had okay i had no i was just like what uh no no no no i want
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everyone to know how cute our children are malcolm of course comparing crime rates between countries and
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across time is hard definition shift unpunished crimes go unreported the quality of statistics varies
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and what constitutes a crime changes and they had a citation on the unpunished crimes go unreported
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part the exception is murder both its definition and the reporting are consistent between countries
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and across time hence murder rates are often used as a proxy for crime rates and they have a citation
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there as well and this is when you're dealing for very very long crime rates and right here is a
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visualization from 1909 to 2023 of murder rates and even when you are not adjusting for medical
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advancements which we'll get to in a bit we right now are above the average murder rate from 1909 to 2023
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it shot up massively in the early 2020s and it looks like what you actually have here is a scenario in
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which the murder rate goes way up then you'll get a slight dip then it goes way up again yeah what is
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that it's it seems like there was murder season what is going on there oh is it it's summer sorry i
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forgot i actually well yeah there is like murder season but here what i actually expect is happening
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when i look at where the rates go way up again is it is as a result of the the lead when they started
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using lead in but then when nobody went up and down and up and down like i don't think like
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no it should just go up and down at all this is over a century simone oh okay sorry i should it does
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go up and down over a century we're talking decades apart oh so when it goes down for that big thing
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it's the lead and then yeah it looks like it was from leaded gas if you if you overlay this big middle
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rise in crime rates it's probably due to leaded gas yes of course that makes sense and you had a huge
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decrease in crime rates after so basically crime rates are constantly going up from like 1909
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to like 1933 what happened in 1933 that depressed the crime rates and then led to them to continue
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to be depressed the great depression world war one and world war two oh oh yeah and and that did
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1933 though we didn't go to war in 33 um okay so my internal memory of dates is not very good
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world war one started the united states joined world war one in 1917 and we ended our involvement
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in 1918 and you still see a pretty sharp rise in the crime rates after that so i'm going to retract
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that being the main reason for this depression and crime rates as for the ban on leaded gas that
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happened in 1973 and as you can see the rapid decrease in crime rates began exactly 20 years after
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that which is i think about what we'd expect that would be great but now we are dealing with a
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massive uptick in crime rates and the rise we are seeing looks like it might be faster than any of
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the previous rises that we've seen all right although the murder rate is insulated from reporting and
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definition shifts it is very strongly affected by medical care both improved techniques and better
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access a fatal injury in 1960 might be easily treatable today to put it in concrete numbers if aggravated
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assaults in the united states had been as lethal in 1999 as they were in 1960 the murder rate would
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have been 3.4 x higher whoa okay yeah you're looking at this graph adjust the more recent ones
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by 3.4 x meaning that basically rates have well we'll get into what we've actually seen from rates
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and i'm going to put a graph on screen here so people can see the rise in lethality
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basically directly correlates with the drop in homicide rates that's being recorded taking this
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into account i would estimate that a murder today represents four to five times as much crime and
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disorder as a murder in 1960 and probably 10 times as much as a medieval murder with early 20th century
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somewhere in between the two as such today's murder rate being comparable to that of the 1960s
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represents a colossal failure of justice with overall crime and disorder being several times higher than
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it was two generations ago why does this matter the major costs of crime are not from murder because
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murder is rare and highly concentrated in a few demographics they are from more common crimes like
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assault mugging burglary housebreaking and grape as well as general public disorder both directly and
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in the huge cost people pay to avoid it murder is a reasonably murder is a reasonably good proxy
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for these things in the short run because all crime and disorder tends to go together but the
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ratio of murder i just want to highlight i had never thought before about the the cost of crime when you
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consider how people live differently when they anticipate crime the things that they don't do to avoid crime
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and that really there's a huge article we could go into on this it's really interesting that goes over
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how in countries like japan and korea where you don't have as much crime there are not big dead
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zones in the center of major cities but in the u.s and parts of europe there are where you know you'll
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there'll be zones in the center of cities like just people don't go because they're dangerous right i mean
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this is not a universal phenomenon it's a phenomenon unique to high crime countries right um
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a murder rate of x you know even in the recent past corresponds to a lower crime rate than the
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murder rate of x today uh discourse about crime and its prevalent must take this into account
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now here they have a very long explanation about why in the united states the homicide rate is higher
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but the overall disorder rate is not higher because this is true in the united states we just
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have a uniquely high homicide culture in our country well god bless us for being so effective
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right you know at least we get the job done when we obviously progressives will be like but this is
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because of our gun laws but that's like objectively not true because canada has similar gun laws and
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some other countries have similar gun laws and it doesn't lead to the same rise in crime so yeah
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it's not due to our gun laws it's due to a cultural phenomenon in this article they go into a fairly
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detailed number focus argument based on hbd which i am not going to get into but third rail third rail
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third rail they're more third rail than i'm willing to go i i actually was hesitant to to write for them
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because i was like i can't be um we actually thought when we were originally doing this podcast
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we were going to do it as an aporia podcast like to to work directly with them to do it and be funded
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partially by them but we just couldn't bring ourselves to do it because i didn't want to be
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connected with the hbd stuff for people who don't know what hbd is it's human biodiversity basically
00:26:14.180
a euphemism the the the the the theory that there are intergenerationally large and persistent
00:26:22.880
genetic differences in behavioral patterns across ethnic groups um i just i just don't want to touch it i
00:26:29.460
don't i don't see any reason why i need to argue that particular third rail so wait why am i missing here
00:26:34.420
okay yes if the western criminal justice systems were merely as effective as they were in 1960
00:26:41.280
and western populations have a similar genetic propensity to commit crime we would naively
00:26:46.740
expect crime to fall over time as has happened in japan for the following reasons obesity despite
00:26:54.320
being of lower socioeconomic status and intelligence by the way the reason they point that out is because
00:26:59.240
being lower socioeconomic status and lower intelligence increases the probabilities that somebody will
00:27:04.100
commit a crime yeah and you can look in prison systems in that and actually the types of crimes they
00:27:09.900
commit change so for example the rate of being a grapist goes up really high in proportion to how low
00:27:16.300
your iq is and goes down with how high your iq is which again reminds me of that girl who's like well if i
00:27:23.500
can't buy guess i'm gonna steal it yeah just just like that whole dynamic summarized oh my god i saw the
00:27:31.000
most hilarious low iq crime thing that happened recently there was a tiktok trend and i'm gonna see
00:27:37.160
if i can find some video of this that was called the the chase money glitch oh wait that was real i saw
00:27:45.360
people making fun of it check fraud it was check fraud no what they found was this really cool
00:27:51.240
glitch where you could deposit a check for money that you didn't have and it took the bank like 30
00:27:57.160
minutes to realize that the check had bounced but you could withdraw that money in cash before it bounced
00:28:02.680
and so this is how the chase money glitch worked and people thought this was free money
00:28:08.560
half of these have to be they will use these there's no way there's no way guys
00:28:26.540
twins twins i'm not even gonna lie i'm not even supposed to condone in this type of behavior due to
00:28:34.980
the direction that i'm trying to project my life in but that chase bait plate looking too sweet right
00:28:40.560
now twins no cap i can just hit one chase bait plate i i can buy so many shabits like twins is
00:28:47.340
for 30 40 balls 50 balls like like their plan is to do some kind of scam and then retire for the rest
00:28:55.540
of their lives on the twelve thousand dollars that the scam is going to make them his comments
00:29:00.720
yeah filled with people either claim no more nine to five or fishing for victim if you got chase let
00:29:07.840
me know someone pmo if you got chase let me know how do you withdraw it all at once yeah i said then
00:29:13.040
they found out later i didn't know it wasn't free money that they had to find a way to pay it back
00:29:19.980
the bank had their social security number and place of work and address
00:29:28.380
they didn't know that yeah they know where you live
00:29:33.180
oh man they really told me to tap in next day was supposed to clear look at my account yo
00:29:47.420
because i have thirty thousand dollars in credit card debt
00:29:56.300
when they call i tell them i can't pay it back yet credit card debt tomorrow i may buy myself a
00:30:04.360
dining room set or this boba fett credit card debt this is an incidence of crying by stupidity
00:30:10.360
i mean i love like i part of me wonders like what's going through their head and i was watching an
00:30:15.700
azimacold video on this as well and my general takeaway was his as well which is that they just
00:30:22.440
do not understand at a base level how a bank works to them a bank is a money machine and there's a
00:30:30.100
glitch in it that's giving them the ability to access more money i mean they've never taken out
00:30:34.240
a loan or anything like that they don't understand these concepts if there is a way to get the bank to
00:30:39.560
just give them money then they yeah why not right and there's these videos of them just like
00:30:44.620
incriminating like twerking and stuff out in front of a bank was like cash like no cash thing on their
00:30:51.140
arm no i don't think you do it sorry wait you think it goes like this that's how they did it they
00:31:01.460
like they'd like spread out the cash on their arm no you go like this no no no you know nothing about
00:31:07.360
like the riz and the drip of the younger generation simone there's no way
00:31:11.460
there's you're like an old how do you put the bills across your arm you gotta do it like the
00:31:19.460
youth do or you ain't got no riz okay interesting well anyway though this did blow my mind because i
00:31:26.420
did not know that obese people are about 20 to 25 percent per five bmi less likely to commit violent
00:31:35.060
property and drug crimes than their normal weight counterparts so amazing you know if you walk by a
00:31:41.540
fat person on the street you can be 20 to 25 percent per five bmi less worried that they're gonna i'm
00:31:48.840
gonna be honest when i see people that my brain recognizes are threatening and i move to the other
00:31:55.160
side of the street they are never obese they're never fat it's true because it's the wiry ones you
00:32:00.360
have to watch out for well i look for the wiry ones or the ripped ones or the ones who look like that
00:32:05.760
you know the math gets in the sort of skinny yeah anyway i'm gonna read this this whole thing here
00:32:12.040
because it is actually interesting in the way it's argued yeah so obesity despite being of lower
00:32:16.680
socioeconomic status and intelligence obese people are much less likely about 20 to 25 percent per
00:32:24.180
5 bmi to commit violent property and drug crimes than their normal weight counterparts the evidence
00:32:30.460
isn't overwhelming you can't do an rct but there are plausible reasons such as lower testosterone and
00:32:38.820
the physical difficulty of committing crimes so let's note the lower testosterone here because a lot of
00:32:42.680
people don't know this that's obesity goes up your testosterone production decreases and testosterone
00:32:48.320
production is directly correlated with a person's likelihood of committing a crime over the past 40
00:32:53.840
years average bmi among young adults 18 to 25 increased by 4.5 points in the united states
00:32:59.920
without this it's reasonable to assume that crime rates would have increased further uh that is
00:33:05.900
fascinating that is really fascinating increase is wealth in the 21st century societies are vastly
00:33:11.780
wealthier than their 1950s counterparts to the extent that wealth causally reduces crime we would expect
00:33:19.120
crime to drop and then and this is the big one here sorry did you have something to say before i go
00:33:24.860
further no no no keep going i i love this this article super interesting
00:33:28.400
forensic technology and surveillance in the 21st century surveillance is ubiquitous and we have dna
00:33:37.720
evidence gps data and numerous other modern forensic tools it should be much harder to get away with
00:33:43.660
crimes today than it was in 1960 and since the vast majority of crime is committed by repeat criminals
00:33:49.520
who it should be easier to apprehend near the beginning of their sprees one would naively expect
00:33:55.060
this alone to be a reason for significant reduction in crime but clearance rates have instead plummeted
00:34:04.120
much easier for the typical criminal to get away with it how much worse would this be without
00:34:10.220
technological advances and here is one of the things that gets absolutely wild if you look at the rate
00:34:18.540
of prosecuted crimes okay from 2015 to 2022 it's just crashing like the police are basically not
00:34:29.320
prosecuting crimes anymore well and i think that's because a lot of the attorneys general
00:34:33.760
are saying stop they're telling them to give people an idea how big of a difference this is
00:34:40.040
from from 2015 to 2022 okay so this is the the clearance rates for various crimes so the total
00:34:46.820
number went from 17 to 6 assault without injury went from 16 to 3 assault with injury went from 25
00:34:57.060
to 5 public fear alarm or distress went from 26 to 3 shoplifting went from 36 to 14 harassment went from
00:35:08.500
28 to 4 stalking went from 35 to 5 it's basically not being prosecuted anymore if you look at something
00:35:17.000
like residential burglary 10 to 4 in every case it's more than a 50 drop in many cases you're talking
00:35:23.360
about like an 80 to 90 drop well and we had this realization when a crime was committed against
00:35:28.940
our business at one point and two years ago and it was we're like it was it was a pretty big deal and
00:35:36.400
we went to all the authorities to try to prosecute it and it was very like it was super clearly
00:35:43.180
documented tell them who did it we like had the name of the person we had this is like everything
00:35:47.980
yeah we had their bank details yeah and nothing happened couldn't get a single response and then
00:35:53.780
of course after hearing all these stories about you know people being stabbed in san francisco
00:35:57.360
regularly friends we know who lived there and things things of that sort we're like well okay so
00:36:02.440
we live in a world in which we cannot expect protection which is interesting because that feels
00:36:11.520
like it's the beginning of a collapse of society i mean isn't that what the government does
00:36:16.800
of a vehicle for example like if your car got stolen that went from nine percent to two percent
00:36:22.720
so it was already pretty low percent reduction and this is over a period of only um i want to say
00:36:30.680
seven years seven years it's like the mods are asleep and we haven't realized fully that they've
00:36:38.060
gone into sleep so society still kind of works but soon more and more people are going to start
00:36:45.820
exploiting this i it makes me nervous it does make me very nervous actually i really liked it in the
00:36:52.860
the asthma gold video where he was comparing what was happening at these restaurants he goes well you
00:36:57.420
know back in wow you know when you want a level you would go to you know outside the raid bosses because
00:37:02.160
there weren't the the big beds there and you could just farm xp and he goes and that's what these
00:37:06.940
people are doing they're just going out and farming xp on low level people are like they're not doing it in the
00:37:11.480
dangerous areas and he's like yeah of course like you're not gonna you're not they don't want to be
00:37:15.300
dangerous area you're gonna you can get the max xp for minimum danger you know and it smells good
00:37:20.740
and everyone is dressed nicely right them that not everybody can fit inside the restaurant that's why
00:37:26.280
you have these massive outdoor dining sheds like it's like no people do this in games right it's like
00:37:30.920
you go outside a dungeon and you farm the mobs outside the dungeon if you don't have a raid
00:37:34.680
like no i mean i get how it happens like it makes sense like and it's smart people did this
00:37:40.640
in scarlet monastery yeah exactly so i because there's like only one of them they're not as high
00:37:46.680
level that you don't have to go inside there yeah no of course try to steal two thousand dollars and
00:37:52.020
if you can steal two thousand dollars you're gonna try to steal five thousand dollars like duh
00:37:55.900
well of course you're leveling up yeah i mean if if i was a criminal i'd be like bro like
00:38:02.640
new patch we got a buff like let's go let's start farming all right so and this this gets
00:38:10.700
interesting as well so another reason the rate should be dropping if you're just looking at
00:38:13.720
broader statistics is aging every developed country has gotten significantly older since
00:38:17.880
the middle of the 20th that's true yeah of the age crime curve the vast majority of crime is committed
00:38:23.340
by young men this would be expected to drive crime down and i'm gonna put a graph on screen here
00:38:29.800
it is massively massively massively young men that can make the fact that climate disorder are several
00:38:36.060
times worse today than in the 1960s in most western societies albeit better than the 1990s
00:38:44.260
is a sign that something is very wrong now somebody might be like ultra low crime societies don't exist
00:38:51.000
and yet they do modern day singapore and japan are justifiably admired
00:38:56.660
for their extraordinarily low murder rates 0.1 out of 100k and 0.23 out of 100k respectively
00:39:03.400
and these murder rates reflect near zero levels of crime and disorder in society at large
00:39:08.980
this has massive benefits blue collar property and violent crime cost around 2.6 trillion dollars per year
00:39:15.840
about 12 percent of gdp in the united states 12 percent of gdp in the united states is going to cry
00:39:21.840
mind-blowing terrifying but this doesn't account for the massive lifestyle changes that people make
00:39:27.860
which simone was talking about earlier in japan and singapore you can go wherever you want alone
00:39:31.840
at night leave children unattended travel however you want no need to stick to sealed off cars leave
00:39:37.360
expensive possessions unsecure in public areas and live anywhere you can afford with corresponding cost
00:39:42.780
of living benefits no urban cores are hollowed out by crimes this means shorter commutes better
00:39:48.120
amenities and more efficient use of land but these two wealthy aged east asian societies are not the
00:39:55.380
only ultra low crime societies to exist mid-century england had about four times the homicide rate of
00:40:01.540
modern japan which given advances in medical care implies it had similar levels of crime and disorder
00:40:07.400
this was an average age of 34 15 years younger than the median japanese person today so to understand how
00:40:17.440
impressive the middle ages were or like middle-aged england right it had similar low crime rates but a much
00:40:26.040
younger population which should have made higher crime rates and it's not just england other parts of
00:40:33.280
post-war western europe also had extremely low levels of crime 1950 to 1974 uh this however i think
00:40:40.140
is cheesing it the middle ages okay i see that actually it's not cheesing it oh actually they both
00:40:45.620
had the same explanation war war is very good at reducing crime rates so of course i'm going to look
00:40:51.440
up to see if there's any statistics on this and i found one study that showed an 18 reduction in
00:40:56.480
amounts of crime during war times which is less than i expected to be honest this is actually something
00:41:02.400
that in the middle ages we see a monarchy talking about because right here he's like oh yeah post-war
00:41:07.800
united states the crime rates dropped it's like yeah because everybody who has like this criminal
00:41:11.960
sort of drive in them to go out and kill and mug and it's ultra aggressive ends up dying in wars
00:41:17.060
or getting it out of their system or turning it into a career you know but in the middle ages there
00:41:23.200
were periods where they went significant time periods without war and people noticed that crime rates
00:41:27.680
rose significantly during those periods so are you saying our solution is just just war should we
00:41:34.100
should we have hunger games but just for 20 something men yeah they'd do it they'd do it if
00:41:42.000
there were voluntary hunger games for 20 something men i get famous like on tiktok for doing it yeah
00:41:47.220
yeah yeah yeah yeah well i mean didn't mr beast get in trouble for the this whole like squid game
00:41:52.100
thing where a bunch of people went and did a bunch of stuff that i guess sounds really unpleasant but
00:41:57.300
because you know you could i'm sure i don't care i just want to watch a bunch of like angry 20 year
00:42:02.420
olds who might be stealing my car murder each other like i think that'd be fantastic i think they
00:42:07.080
would enjoy it too a lot of them a lot of people genuinely that is one thing i'm gonna push for
00:42:11.780
you know we have dual laws on the books in this country i would watch it it would all be
00:42:17.300
voluntary oh my gosh yeah is there research on whether duels when they were legal and there was
00:42:23.400
a system for them reduced i don't know we'll say like unstructured or spontaneous crime oh i'm
00:42:30.140
certain they did yeah i mean what are duels but like a structured excuse for a crime of passion
00:42:35.320
like oh you slept with my wife okay let's duel you know it wasn't even that would be like you dissed me
00:42:41.960
let's do this is often pretty bad post-war western european countries are among the safest on earth
00:42:51.020
comparable to much older much wealthier and much more forensically sophisticated modern japan
00:42:55.660
there's no technical reason why western european societies today shouldn't be this safe and reap the
00:43:01.080
benefits beyond a lack of will there is a reason there's genetic reasons like if they want to talk
00:43:06.560
about like hbd or whatever i mean we can talk about the white populations that my ancestors came
00:43:11.940
from in the united states and these were very murderous populations they murdery yeah famously
00:43:18.860
murdery and i think that what they might be confusing is looking at across america population
00:43:26.780
samples from these periods where certain communities in america during this time had
00:43:31.000
really low crime rates the puritan communities of new england had incredibly low crime rates uh the
00:43:37.480
german immigrant communities that like the midland areas and the quakers had low crime rates
00:43:41.900
but the greater appellation communities had really high crime rates there's there's one of my
00:43:47.480
favorites from american nations they were talking about how the there was like a class of men in
00:43:53.020
these communities that would sharpen their nails to be like i think that was actually an albion seed
00:43:57.980
maybe both of them talked about it where they took pride in yes having uniquely sharp nails so they
00:44:02.360
could gouge out people's eyes and brawls basically yeah yeah this is this is my eye gouging nail
00:44:09.080
this is my eye gouging finger so i couldn't find the exact quote from american nations just by googling
00:44:15.300
however i was able to find a fantastic vice article on this tradition titled rough and tumble the deeply
00:44:22.140
southern tradition of nose biting testicle ripping and eye gouging so and this is something that's been
00:44:27.840
largely forgotten that there was this really form of martial arts called rough and tumble that was
00:44:34.460
common in the greater appalachian region in america and just because this faction of american
00:44:39.940
culture was never a dominant cultural faction in terms of media production or involvement in the arts
00:44:47.000
we don't remember how common it was or how developed this method of fighting was i said to quote the
00:44:52.800
article here in 1806 englishman thomas ash wrote an account of his visit to wheeling virginia where
00:45:00.200
he witnessed a fight between two working class men that he would remember for the rest of his life
00:45:04.640
the men one from kentucky and one from virginia argued over who had a better horse a somewhat
00:45:09.580
standard debate in the booze-filled outskirts of small towns not willing to acquiesce to a difference
00:45:15.440
of opinion the men along with the englishman ash and a large portion of the town took off to a track
00:45:21.900
to test the speed of the two bees apparently the race was inconclusive but the two men unwilling to
00:45:27.560
end their feud challenged each other to a fight they agreed to quote tear and rend in quote rather
00:45:33.920
than quote unquote fight fair ash watched in astonishment as the virginian took the kentuckian
00:45:39.600
to the ground and from a mounted position grasped his hair and stuck his eyes down the man's eye
00:45:44.560
stockets but the kentuckian recovered and rolled the virginian off of him once on top the kentuckian
00:45:51.480
leaned over and bit the nose off the man for virginia but the fight was not over the man for
00:45:56.300
virginia took the kentuckian's lower lip between his teeth and ripped it down to its his chin then the
00:46:01.520
fight was over the man for virginia sans nose was carried off in victory while the kentuckian headed
00:46:07.060
to the doctor his eyes damaged from the attempted gouging and his torn lower lip lay flopping around his
00:46:13.240
chin this fight was not an anomaly but rather a tradition of fighting that was particularly
00:46:18.220
common in rural parts of the southern united states in the 18th century rough and tumble was the name
00:46:24.380
given to no holds bar fighting in the southeast region of the newly formed america betting was
00:46:29.740
prevalent and rules non-existent contestants could kick down an opponent knee to the groin bite and even
00:46:36.280
scratch each other with fingernails sharpened for just such a purpose eye gouging became the ultimate
00:46:40.920
finish in rough and tumble was men being disfigured for life fingernails sharpened filed and coated in
00:46:47.300
wax dug into an opponent's eye socket attempting to literally rip out the eyeball and hold it aloft
00:46:52.460
before a screaming crowd and i should note that while it calls it the south it wasn't really in
00:46:58.360
the south it was in the rural appalachian region which i'll put a thing on the screen here as you can
00:47:03.140
tell from the states being mentioned here and this was common and even people you've likely heard of like
00:47:09.120
davy crockett who once quote i kept my thumb in his eye and was just going to give it a twist and
00:47:16.160
bring the peeper out like a twist like taking a gooseberry in a spoon in quote the point i'm trying
00:47:21.520
to make here is that i think this aporia piece creates a narrative in which a person could come
00:47:26.840
to believe that well medieval england was a mostly peaceful place and so what led to america becoming as
00:47:35.360
dangerous as it is today is the allowing in of immigrants or people from different ethnic or
00:47:43.380
national backgrounds where what i'm trying to point out is at least some of the groups of americans
00:47:47.860
specifically the groups that i come from the greater appalachian cultural region was settled by an
00:47:54.560
extremely extremely violent subpopulation on the outskirts of the english empire and has always been
00:48:03.940
a level of violence that is almost incomprehensible to the dominant cultural groups that ended up
00:48:10.840
creating a lot of our literature and stuff like that another fun thing i'd note here and this is
00:48:17.440
from a cracked article that talks about these sorts of immigrants before they left england it was pretty
00:48:24.280
common for audiences in the late 1800s to early 1900s to pelt the performers with deadly objects singers
00:48:30.800
actors or comics had only moments to win over the audience and depending on whether your act was
00:48:36.900
bombing the crowd had their own way of trying to kill you in london they threw pig bones in glaslow it
00:48:42.680
was known for throwing steel rivets but as long as it hurt and left a funny wound savage crowds didn't
00:48:48.820
really care dead cats and dogs were flung at the performers which is almost as fascinating as it is
00:48:54.940
monstrous were the cats killed on the way to the show just in case the band sucked were dead cats sold
00:49:00.420
there how did man ever survive an era however brief were animal corpses were used as a dislike button
00:49:07.060
very different from uh they they took a lot they gained a lot of status from it it was a good way to
00:49:12.560
gain status is go and ah to have this gnarled grizzly nail that has eye gunk under it from somebody else
00:49:19.640
do you like this visual yeah i'm not i'm not all right so they argue a different reason that this
00:49:28.580
is happening then i argue which is war war is a good way to get rid of people but i actually don't
00:49:32.440
hate their argument i think it's probably a big contributor to this well can't both be true but
00:49:37.520
let's present their argument lock them up this starts fortunately crime is an exceptionally
00:49:44.020
tractable problem because the overwhelming majority of crime is committed by a tiny minority of very
00:49:49.480
prolific offenders citation for instance in sweden one percent of people are responsible for 63 percent of
00:49:55.860
violent crime and conviction citation when i say citation just go to the original article this is
00:49:59.860
coming from and you can read the citations with about half of all convictions being accounted for
00:50:04.780
by people with three or more previous convictions so i'm going to read that again so people can really
00:50:11.000
grok that okay one percent of people are responsible for 63 percent of violent crime convictions
00:50:17.740
with about half of all convictions being accounted for by people with three or more previous convictions
00:50:24.980
if you permanently like the three strikes law permanently locked anyone up with three convictions
00:50:31.680
you would reduce the number of the amount of crime by half or send them to simone's mercenary penal
00:50:38.800
colony i haven't given up we'll talk about our mercenary penal colony plans in a second
00:50:42.440
you could cut violent crime in half by simply executing or imprisoning for life people with many previous
00:50:49.560
offenses the united states is similar with more than 75 percent of people in u.s prisons having five or more arrests
00:50:57.480
75 percent of people in our prison alone people are like our prison system is like lax
00:51:03.360
or that it's imprisoning the wrong people this is just like factually not this also makes the prospect of
00:51:09.480
going to prison terrifying because this is people who are severely severely messed up or
00:51:16.780
yeah people in prison 75 percent of them have been arrested five other times do you know how hard
00:51:22.400
it is to get arrested five times well and the problem is that's not just them doing a bad
00:51:27.480
five times it's them getting caught five times so it's also just like this isn't these aren't the
00:51:32.940
smartest criminals i mean there are lots of people especially these days like anyone who's getting
00:51:37.860
to prison these days is well either they're committing you know like tax fraud or something
00:51:44.340
like yeah um they're not they're not actually you know what how many how many prior arrests people
00:51:50.400
have as a proportion of the prison population but it is absolutely enormous there are actually very
00:51:57.120
few people in prison that have only been arrested once when i say very few it looks like maybe like
00:52:02.020
three percent or two percent or something from this it is just rare to be in prison for only
00:52:07.680
having been arrested once yeah well but i think once you get arrested once it's it's kind of hard
00:52:12.800
to get reintegrated with society and you're more likely to get caught for more things but you know
00:52:18.320
yeah but what the point here being is that these individuals and also i just i mean there's something
00:52:25.440
about um the people who care for our kids have been in prison before and we're you know helping them get on
00:52:31.660
their feet like this happens like people help people that's the way the world is well and yeah
00:52:35.600
and it goes to show that like imprisonment happens and well also the circumstances that drive people
00:52:40.800
to commit crimes in some cases are genuinely out of their control and it just sucks like they've been
00:52:46.680
put well i mean you and i are determinists anyway you know we feel like everyone's kind of stuck in
00:52:52.060
their stupid place in the world's clockwork so yeah well yeah but that doesn't mean as a determinist i
00:52:57.880
believe people are responsible for their actions because their actions aren't due to random stuff
00:53:01.640
but due to their genetics and who they are and therefore who they are deserves full punishment
00:53:07.000
for anything they do um but to go further the same stylized fact whereby a teeny very criminal
00:53:13.600
minority commits the vast majority of crime also holds for non-violent offenses for instance 327 people
00:53:20.400
were responsible for a third of shoplifting arrests in new york city in 2022 327 people a third of
00:53:27.280
shoplifting arrests yeah i feel like there's some there's a movie concept in here you know the
00:53:32.000
320 they've been rearrested these 327 people 6 000 times
00:53:38.100
why are they still being released they probably just keep like a change of clothes in prison like
00:53:45.800
hey did you hold on to my toothbrush do you know like how much money hours it takes to arrest and
00:53:49.260
process a human being 6 000 times yeah that is a lot of taxpayer dollars they should just like keep a
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locker for them these super criminals are well known to police by virtue of committing so many crimes
00:54:02.640
their guilt is not in doubt the only obstacles to executing or permanently imprisoning them
00:54:08.760
are legal and procedural most of these legal and procedural barriers citation were put in place
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in the 1960s and 1970s citation as a natural consequence of politicians and judges citation
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adopting a left-wing view of criminals as victims of society rather than the other way around i.e
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because they believe that the criminals are just people who are in hard situations and can't get out
00:54:32.400
of it which isn't factually true these are people who have made crime intentionally their daily career
00:54:41.860
okay well and and that they specifically have been incentivized to do that they're doing that because
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they're positively reinforced when they do it yeah if you it's our own fault doing it the rest of them
00:54:54.040
would stop yeah it's our own fault for making them into what they've become which is is is even worse
00:54:58.640
you know it's these could have been good people with jobs that help other people and because of the
00:55:05.960
way that we are prosecuting crimes we have driven them to be people who hurt other people when really
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like i think a significant proportion of these people if not the majority of these people would
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otherwise be doing stuff that helps other people ultimately it's yeah annoying remove these barriers
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and return to punishing criminals quickly surely and harshly with a focus on incapacitation or
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execution citation not rehabilitation and crime can be brought quickly under control and here they
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have proof of this in el salvador so el salvador tried this it stopped trying to rehabilitate criminals
00:55:42.700
right here they say el salvador is an extraordinary recent example of this having reduced the murder rate
00:55:47.840
by 98 percent simply by locking up well-known gang members el salvador had the state capacity to do
00:55:56.440
this at any time and so do we all it takes is the willingness to jettison pro-criminal procedural norms
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invented within the past 70 years when you can look here are you saying that like an executive order
00:56:07.960
could do this like i'm just trying to figure out from a legal standpoint because i mean there are
00:56:12.500
you know laws about unfair imprisonment stuff like that in the united states i am i was president
00:56:19.360
i i feel a lot of presidents are a little capitalist in the way they play the game
00:56:24.700
um if for example we got into a trump administration i could figure out how to make this happen
00:56:30.880
simone you underestimate the tools at the disposal there's some like well-known ones like i'm gonna
00:56:39.380
declare a state of emergency we're gonna call this war you know i get that i'm just wondering
00:56:44.560
other ones that are hugely underused you're just thinking like a bureaucrat because the people who
00:56:51.200
have tried to solve this before have always been bureaucrats and they haven't been ruthless people like
00:56:56.040
me you can see my video on uh getting addicted to chat ai bots for how i like to break systems
00:57:00.380
the easy one that the u.s president isn't using is his pardon power specifically you just say
00:57:07.320
for example blanket pardon on police doing certain things
00:57:12.260
on oh uh basically who as a president can make anything you like i will pardon i will remember
00:57:21.680
what what nation was it it was basically like any citizen now has the right to shoot someone who did
00:57:27.620
i can't remember what do you remember this she's thinking of the philippines and duterte i didn't
00:57:32.500
hear her say this i wasn't able to say this in the in the recording but yeah the philippines and
00:57:36.240
duterte said anyone involved with drug trafficking or drug use could be executed for example like
00:57:40.740
during this the some of the like banking crisis and stuff like that when it was obvious that the
00:57:44.740
heads of the bank had just screwed over tons and tons of people and we had no system for legally
00:57:48.780
handling it i probably would have just said anyone who kills these guys free party just like put out
00:57:55.380
a hit basically and uh yeah a promise oh god well i mean technically with the caveat here of course
00:58:04.040
that however they did it needed to make it a federal crime rather than a state crime because
00:58:08.220
the president cannot pardon people for state crimes also it should be clear here how lucky i am to have
00:58:13.620
somebody like simone to moderate my impulses in terms of severity one of our followers was like they
00:58:19.620
love that malcolm always gets angry and really aggressive about things but they also love that simone
00:58:24.240
is always talking me back from my extremist positions as she likely would if i ever actually
00:58:29.120
held office people are they may underestimate like yeah i mean so i guess i'm trying to think the
00:58:34.860
opposition would then try the opposition would try to impeach you and i think that there would be
00:58:38.960
enough powerful connections at play depending on who you're attacking no there wouldn't oh my god
00:58:43.000
if it's if it's the leaders of the banking industry in the united states if you took out after losing
00:58:49.840
billions of dollars and keep in mind billions of dollars you can translate dollars to death
00:58:53.620
yeah you remove i think it's something like i can't remember something like every half a million
00:58:58.980
dollars you remove from the economy somebody is dying functionally speaking because that money was
00:59:03.500
removed billions of dollars is killing more people than the biggest mass murderers in our country's
00:59:09.580
history it's 9 11 attacks style murders and this is done regularly by white collar criminals and they
00:59:17.780
need to understand that there are consequences for this uh in the same way that in china corruption is
00:59:24.160
sometimes punished with extreme you know executions and stuff like that and i think in the united states
00:59:29.140
these people just feel like there's no consequences their companies are so big the government's going to bail
00:59:34.280
them out blah blah blah they'll always be ultra wealthy no matter what no matter who they abuse no matter who
00:59:38.780
they hurt and you're like oh then the lefties would come and try and impeach you do you know how
00:59:44.560
effing bad that's going to look to the electorate if the lefties are standing up for the big bankers who
00:59:50.660
lost billions of dollars for the the individual americans who expected a golden parachute i know i'm just
00:59:59.860
saying that those really really wealthy bankers with a target on their backs have a lot of connections
01:00:05.520
that would be financially incentivized to try to impeach you as president right but what i think you are
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missing because we have seen this as people who have played in the political space and have played in
01:00:18.720
the broader american like how to change the world space money does not give you that much power you you get
01:00:27.540
a marginal additional increase in power but the truth is is power i don't know man i think this may change
01:00:34.520
but the way that our elections work now i i do think that having more money is important no they
01:00:43.400
could go and and this is the problem that you're missing here right yeah so what you're assuming is
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what the bankers are going to be able to do is go to politicians and say i gave you money in x campaign
01:00:55.780
listen to me and impeach them right here's the problem simone um most of the heads of the banking
01:01:02.340
system haven't been giving money to everyone they've been giving money to people in strategic
01:01:07.300
races party politics they just don't have the cachet you're like well maybe they could go to all of their
01:01:15.060
rich friends who do have the cachet but what you're missing here is that the rich friends who bought that
01:01:21.100
cachet did it with company dollars for company purposes so for example they can't go to the head of
01:01:28.300
shell and say use shells lobbying group to put pressure on them because shells lobbying group
01:01:34.700
exists for specific projects for specific reasons it's not a general in the pocket of the ceo lobbying
01:01:42.380
group okay they would find themselves very quickly with no power the only power that the ultra wealthy
01:01:49.140
have is in terms of blackmail i.e epstein other than that no and people are underestimating the
01:01:55.920
president's ability to make these kinds of massive changes now here's the challenge people are going
01:02:02.280
to say well what about false positives you can't be you can't just like go executing criminals
01:02:05.880
and this is the problem with executing criminals we make it too expensive in the united states
01:02:09.640
you get the you know all these retrials all of these you know death row stuff yeah i think that
01:02:14.620
the cost of executing someone is it's it's way way higher for life right oh yeah for sure by it by a long
01:02:21.500
shot i think like by many times over it's it's it's just punitive at this point which which really
01:02:26.280
means you know we need to develop and i think you know if elon gets this efficiency department down
01:02:32.100
we need to develop a more efficient form of mass execution you know for repeat repeat criminals of
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violent crimes that's what i think and not for all crimes repeat violent criminals okay so what you want
01:02:45.500
to bring out the death the death vans the execution vans yes man that's what china does they use that
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for like thought crime i think you need to be very clear this needs to whenever i hear thought crime
01:02:56.420
i just picture like a dead seat woman so bad but the the the the the violent crime when people hear
01:03:04.560
this what they're thinking about okay and this is really important is they're thinking about the
01:03:11.460
individual who might be executed and they're not thinking about the people that individual kills
01:03:16.280
or grapes or you know it's it's easy to say give that individual a second chance
01:03:23.760
when it's not your daughter who ends up getting graped as a result of that there was a case of this
01:03:31.660
where asmogold actually was was joking about this and he was like it's her fault that this happened to her
01:03:36.260
where this man murdered this girl's mother and then this girl went in with this like holier
01:03:41.400
than thou attitude of like oh i forgive everyone you know we need to learn to blah blah blah the
01:03:47.700
guy murders her as well she's just dumb as a bag of bricks and it's not just that they're dumb
01:03:53.000
they're dumb in a way that hurts other people when they insist on this persistent forgiveness policy
01:03:58.900
they end up putting other people my people my family at risk my daughter's at risk okay and as he was
01:04:07.700
saying is it not better that they're dying for their their because it's not just naivety what
01:04:14.440
are they putting other people's at life's at risk for they're putting them at risk so they can feel like
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a good guy so they can feel like they are an uncomplicated protagonist and he's absolutely right about that
01:04:26.800
they are villainous in a way that is not as villainous as the murderers but it is high villainous
01:04:36.340
levels the degree to which they just don't care about the damage that they are causing they just
01:04:44.340
don't care about the girls who get graped because they insist on this forgiveness mindset for more color
01:04:51.420
on the case that was being mentioned here the case involved travis lewis who murdered sally snowden
01:04:57.720
mckay 75 during a burglary and then her daughters advocated for him to be released early from prison
01:05:05.920
citing her buddhist belief system and then gave him an employment and he ended up murdering her after she
01:05:14.600
fired him thinking that he was stealing money from her which he was and people can be like oh you know
01:05:20.560
how great is that yeah well what if she hadn't been the one who hired him what if it had been one of
01:05:23.980
my family members okay when you advocate for things like this when you advocate for these ultra lenient
01:05:29.800
policies around crime you are an accomplice to the murders that end up happening to facilitate
01:05:38.240
the masturbation of your ego or the i mean for example this is why you know if somebody has like
01:05:45.800
actually assaulted you you it's important to report this because by the time it gets reported
01:05:52.220
they've already done it to five other people on average right now um these people are repeat repeat
01:05:59.420
repeat repeat repeat offenders but anyway the reason why people are afraid of this oh think of the
01:06:04.720
criminal they're afraid of false positives right so then it goes on to say the most common objection to
01:06:09.600
quicker sure harsher sentencing and especially the death penalty is that it will lead to more innocent
01:06:14.080
men being punished on utilitarian grounds this might be justifiable citation but people tend to be
01:06:21.600
suspicious of this sort of reasoning fortunately however a stricter regime does not necessarily
01:06:26.880
imply more false positives for the following reasons one most crime is committed by well-known
01:06:32.920
prolific criminals when dealing with someone who's already committed dozens of assaults you're not at risk
01:06:38.440
of accidentally punishing an innocent man these people's guilt is not substantively in doubt the fact
01:06:45.280
that they are free to commit crimes to begin with is damning lower crime rates mean more resources can be
01:06:53.200
devoted to each crime the american system cannot afford to exhaustively investigate and prosecute more
01:06:59.760
than a tiny fraction of crimes leading to a reliance on plea bargains if american crime rates were 4x lower
01:07:05.700
as they were two generations ago we could afford to be much more careful when dealing with each
01:07:10.720
individual crime three lower crime rates mean fewer absolute false positives imagine that the japanese
01:07:17.300
justice system had 10 times the false positive rate of the american the united states has around 50 times
01:07:23.480
the murder rate of japan so japan would still have only one half the number of false convictions per
01:07:29.300
murder per capita as such a quicker sure harsher criminal justice regime would be expected to lead
01:07:37.360
to fewer false positives not more it may be better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be
01:07:42.700
punished but that's why we should be tougher on crime so be harsher and i do agree with this on repeat
01:07:51.320
criminals and i would even be willing like if i was president and i was pushing for a bill
01:07:55.220
i'd be willing to push for a bill that or a governor because really you have to do this at the state
01:08:01.120
level that lowered the punishment for the most severe crimes in our society i.e made it so that
01:08:08.220
you don't get the death penalty for premeditated murder but increase the punishment for multiple
01:08:13.980
violent crimes i.e you do get the death penalty as soon as you've been implicated in three assaults
01:08:22.100
and if you did that the reduction in crime would be astronomical but i think with these extreme
01:08:27.920
types of punishments you one have to be very clear they have to be violent crimes okay and two you have
01:08:34.180
to be very clear that they must be repeated violent crimes but as soon as you get a repeat of violent
01:08:39.700
crime you're just going to get it over and over again and there is really nothing you can do about
01:08:45.340
these individuals and i loved asthma gold's reaction to how to solve crime in new york and i like this as
01:08:51.200
well one make it easy to get the the concealed carry permanent in new york and two make it legal
01:08:58.620
you know how in the u.s and pennsylvania and stuff like that we have stand your ground laws and i'd
01:09:02.060
actually push that you are allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect if they have robbed you um because
01:09:09.280
right now in most states even states with stand your ground laws and stuff like that if you were able
01:09:12.640
to shoot them when they ran away it'd be no problem that's what you should be able to do i think
01:09:19.340
if somebody tries to rob you you should be able to shoot them absolutely can't shoot someone fleeing
01:09:25.420
in my opinion if you're stealing somebody's shit and you're running off with it and somebody shoots
01:09:30.580
you nice shot if somebody comes and they rob you or they steal your car or they you know as soon as
01:09:35.860
they're back in turn and they're running away with what they stole you can't do anything about it
01:09:39.180
um because you cannot shoot their they're like is their life worth less than the stuff they stole from
01:09:44.640
you and i'm like yeah it is it is because it's not just the stuff they stole from me it's the crimes
01:09:49.740
they're going to commit in the future especially if they're doing this knowing that people might
01:09:53.800
defend themselves and i think that what people are missing here and this is also i want to say true
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of not just this but i want to say grapes you are allowed to shoot a grapist when they are leaving
01:10:03.800
your house it doesn't matter that they have their back turned to you i think that we are way too much
01:10:08.940
of a stickler on that point i think that there are certain crimes that so i feel where this gets
01:10:13.320
difficult is i could just shoot a random guy who may have been you know alone in my house there's no
01:10:20.920
witnesses there's no cameras there's no nothing and be like oh yeah he tried to rape me not tried to
01:10:27.560
oh sorry he did rape me but like but this is the point here is you just make then the the the
01:10:34.180
the justification of proof really high and you're like that would never work but actually it does work
01:10:38.680
you can do rape kits pretty easily okay so i i i seduce a guy i i voluntary sex does not create
01:10:46.540
the same terror patterns rape creates you can tell the difference with a rape kit so no and generally
01:10:53.580
speaking where these instances would come into play is people robbing someone in public or graping
01:10:59.320
someone in public or you know you you just these wouldn't be focused on these like oh maybe maybe not
01:11:07.500
incidences you would write it into law where it's very like maybe you have to have multiple witnesses
01:11:12.460
or something like that but i think that we need to be much harsher in both the ability to allow people
01:11:18.480
to react to crimes and this this mindset of well but you know they're not currently in the act of
01:11:26.240
committing the crime or blah blah blah a you know all of this nonsense where in like in australia this
01:11:31.820
has happened where criminals have been able to sue landlords because they've gotten hurt on their
01:11:35.320
property while they were stealing stuff oh well they're no that happened to the u.s too yeah it's
01:11:40.840
happened in some u.s states we need to create laws that strip someone of human rights while they are
01:11:48.420
committing crimes if it is unassailable that they are committing a crime and and and specifically here
01:11:54.860
i mean property crimes and violent crimes and and i think that where i am very strong in my
01:12:02.820
delineation of crime types when i say property crimes i'm going to be clear here property crimes
01:12:08.000
against individuals so i do not think that companies should have the right to do this you
01:12:12.940
wouldn't steal a handbag you wouldn't steal a car you wouldn't steal a baby you wouldn't shoot a
01:12:18.920
policeman and then steal his helmet downloading films is stealing if you do it you will face the
01:12:27.520
consequences but i think individuals if it's your car if it's your house but if a warehouse is being
01:12:37.720
broken into or a store is being broken into i don't think that the use of lethal force is justified
01:12:42.280
but i think that once you create these laws it becomes much easier i would would i say for
01:12:50.100
sole proprietorships yes for sole proprietorships i'd say lethal like so i.e i own a shop all by myself
01:12:56.140
or my family owns a shop that's different from a chain owned store or something like that
01:13:00.280
and i'd also say that these crimes differ as well from intellectual crimes like i.e intellectual
01:13:07.820
property theft and stuff like that which is really about corporate profits and not about specifically
01:13:13.220
targeting individuals which is just you know a ridiculous thing to me and i think that as a society
01:13:19.140
we have normalized the targeting of individuals at this point for a specific class of people they just
01:13:30.400
well i don't know if i do exactly what you suggest but yeah i mean something needs to be done i i i you
01:13:39.880
know i'm still for penal colonies i really hate the idea of describe your colony idea of well if someone
01:13:45.660
can't play nice with society here as it is then just ship them off to somewhere where they're around
01:13:52.060
other rule breakers like them and they can all break rules together and that's that's my idea i i feel
01:13:57.240
like it's to me it feels a lot more fair i have your penal colony for profit idea yeah my penal colony for
01:14:03.540
profit idea is for those who participate in this system and would like to also have an interesting
01:14:10.340
life with maybe some some higher upside benefits join a penal colony that also serves as a mercenary unit
01:14:17.020
where you know you you go and you then become a mercenary basically she wants to create like
01:14:23.580
floating cities or isolated parts in like northern alaska where everyone there is a repeat offender
01:14:31.200
but they are able to try to create structure of life for themselves yeah i.e start businesses
01:14:37.820
run things etc yeah they just can't leave the location yeah this becomes really important for people
01:14:44.480
addicted to certain types of drugs really important for repeat offenders because it creates a system
01:14:48.900
where they don't need to be executed and always have a chance of rehabilitation well and you know for
01:14:53.860
some people i kind of think about it similarly to different types of kids right like a lot of kids
01:14:59.880
you know a stern talking to is enough to you know sit them in the corner or just tell them that
01:15:04.940
it's it's not okay and let's have let's talk about how you hurt my feelings you know and other kids
01:15:09.160
like ours respond to bops right you know like knock it off slap upside the head and i feel like a lot
01:15:16.060
of people need a bop based society you know they don't respond to this you hurt my feelings based
01:15:22.220
society that we live in and therefore they need to be moved to a bop based society where there are
01:15:28.120
you know public hangings and there's the whipping post in the square and in that world they will do a lot
01:15:33.720
better and i just you know like it's sort of you can sort for people who need that more extreme form
01:15:38.920
of punishment and if they all live together in society it might be a sufficiently ordered society
01:15:43.480
well at the same time you're not really subjecting those who don't need that form of punishment
01:15:47.840
to what would for them be overly cruel and genuinely terrible and unwarranted and not effective so you know i
01:15:55.220
i sort of see i see discipline in that way like similar to the way we look at family-based discipline
01:16:02.860
which is look at the people look at their inherited traits look at their culture and give them what
01:16:12.900
which one next uh the disappearing child in the city oh what okay that sounds scary
01:16:24.260
okay okay i'm sending it shortly and recording somebody tweeted at us an image saying is this a
01:16:32.320
techno puritan click over on whatsapp and you'll see what okay you click over on whatsapp
01:16:48.920
i'll put it i'll put it i'll put it in the episode at the end that's a cute tweet
01:16:58.620
it is made me laugh and lulled oh i've gotta get the notes up so we're ready to go
01:17:07.900
i'm so stiff in in like personal situations that there was this period where i caught myself just saying
01:17:18.400
lull when i thought something was funny in social situations and i was like oh whoops i forgot i need
01:17:24.700
to performatively laugh instead of just say lull we need to practice i need you to develop better